Be It Till You See It

Tom Paladino, a scalar energy researcher who dedicated over 50 years to studying zero-point energy, shared insights on the healing potential of scalar light. He explained how this nonphysical energy can promote well-being, reduce disease signatures, and enhance health through unique methods such as using photographs for quantum healing. Tune in to learn more about how scalar energy can improve your health.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• What scalar energy is and how it differs from electromagnetic energy.
• How scalar energy can promote overall health and wellness.
• Tom’s technique using photographs to transmit healing energy.
• How Tom stays motivated and confident in his unique approach.
• Tom’s personal health routines that support his longevity and vitality.

Episode References/Links:

• Scalar Light Facebook
• Scalar Light
• Dr. Mindy Pelz

Guest Bio:

• Tom Paladino was a dedicated researcher in the field of scalar energy for over 50 years. Inspired by Nikola Tesla and Dr. T. Galen Hieronymus, Paladino developed scalar light instruments aimed at promoting health and balancing energy fields by working with photographs. His work focused on utilizing scalar light to target pathogens, promote healing, and harmonize brain waves and chakras. Over the course of his career, Paladino's innovations helped thousands of people worldwide, and he remained passionate about improving human welfare through this emerging science. His legacy continues to influence the niche field of scalar energy research.

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Episode Transcript:

Tom Paladino 0:00  

This is a new science, quantum science, in which we access a person's aura, their force field, through their photograph. It's a new way of wellness in which there's no physical downside, there's no chemical reaction.

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  

Lesley Logan 0:57  

All right, Be It babe, I have something you've never heard of before. I'm pretty sure. And it was (inaudible) something I hadn't heard of before. And there were a couple of reasons why I wanted to have our guest today on the pod. One, I find unique things interesting. And who am I to maybe this is the thing that you've always been needing to help you be it till you see it. The other thing, the other reason why, is I find when people are doing something new and different and going out of the box, very fascinating, kind of interesting, I find it like, how are they doing that? Because we live in a world that's like, let's be a tulip. Don't get taller than all the other ones, and don't constantly in the coaching world that I've been in, it's like, you don't actually want to be doing something new. You want to be doing something that's already been done before, which I find is really dumb and annoying. So I really was intrigued when I met our guest, is Tom Paladino, and the work he is doing, and it's all about energy and some healing powers. And then we also got into how he's been able to maintain his stamina and passion around something that no one's really heard of. So I think you'll find it very fascinating. And if you do use his amazing work, please let us know. We'd love to know how it's going to go out for you. And also, if you're like, yeah, I don't know about this, I still think you're going to get something so well, actually, I know, I know you're getting something so good about this, because just being around people who are freaking passionate about what they do is actually like, I am on a high just having talked with him, not having used the service yet, just having just talked to him because most of us are just around people who don't believe in themselves. And so then you walk around with that energy around you. And so listen to this guy, just for the fact of the pure passion and enthusiasm that he has about what he does. And then, if you like what he's doing, take a look at it. Also, I liked his be it action items, they're in a way, simple and yet so difficult for us to do and so I can't wait to see how you use them in your life. Here is Tom Paladino. 

Lesley Logan 3:00  

All right, Be It babe, I promise you, today's guest is the first you've ever heard of this, and I know it's the first I've ever heard of this. And I'm really excited to dive in deeper, because I find it fascinating, intriguing, interesting, wondering, curious. So Tom Paladino is our guest today. He's a researcher. He's amazing. He's figured out some amazing things he's been doing for a really long time. Tom tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. 

Tom Paladino 3:23  

Thank you for the invite. First of all, listen, thank you. I'm a researcher. I'm a scalar light researcher, what some people might call zero point energy or Tesla energy. What distinguishes my work is I do not work with electricity. Most researchers today are working with electricity magnetism, electromagnetic energy. Well, there's two energies I'd rather work with, scalar energy. It's quite superior to that of electricity. So we're going to speak about scalar energy testing. 

Lesley Logan 3:50  

Okay, so I know electromagnetic energy. That one I've got. Some of the other words you said. I don't know. So scalar is the type of energy you work with, but is there a way of explaining it to me?

Tom Paladino 4:02  

Let's define our terms. Scalar. Energy is nonphysical divine energy. I believe it's from God. It's not a movement of electrons. Electricity is some type of movement of electrons. So we're working with consciousness. We're working with what some people might call intuition or intention. We're working with nonphysical thought. So the instrument behind me is a scalar energy instrument that taps into that dimension of nonphysicality. It's indeed a different dimension. This is the dimension beyond the space time construct. This is the energy that some people might call the ohm, or Christ-consciousness or chi or prana. It's very real.

Lesley Logan 4:46  

Okay, yes, I love that you brought up intuition and intention. I feel like those are, you know, less woo. But I guess we need to go back and how did you even discover that this energy exists? And how did you figure it out? Because I feel like there's a good story there, and also maybe can help us understand just how real this is. You know?

Tom Paladino 5:06  

I studied Nikola Tesla as a youngster, and Tesla, later in his life, was working with this energy, what he called radiant energy. Tesla said frequently he wanted to harness the sun, not harness a motor, harness sun, and that's what I'm doing. These instruments harness the energy from the sun. So Tesla was my first teacher. Thereafter, I was very fortunate to meet an American inventor, Sarah Hieronymus, and I never met her late husband, Galen Hieronymus, but they were scalar energy inventors who had scalar energy instruments who could prove that they could control this energy of the sun. So that was my understudy, and if you will, this is not taught by academia. This is so groundbreaking, so cutting edge, you're not going to find a college textbook on this. So that was my, if you will, my backstory. That was my background. I have been pursuing this independent research my entire life. It's been well worth it, because the, if you will, the payback, the dividends are so incredible to be realized from this energy. We'll explore some of those benefits today. 

Lesley Logan 5:06  

Yeah. Okay, so thank you for that. How long have you been doing this? Because you said that was your first teacher. So how many years has this been and then what are the benefits you saw in doing it?

Tom Paladino 6:23  

I've been at this for 50 years, my entire life. The benefits that I've derived is I have been (inaudible) exceptional health. I am 64 years of age, and I don't take any medicine. There is I don't take any pharmaceutical problem. I do not need any medical surgery. And part of that reason is because I'm working with myself every day with this energy. This energy is my healthcare regimen. We'll get into that. How have I benefited? This instrument, if you will, prevents many diseases. This instrument, I believe, has given me a great nutritional background, a great nutritional support by way of energy, I receive my vitamins from this instrument by way of energy. This instrument allows me to target the force field of microbes, germs, and eradicate those microbes, those germs. So those just are some of the benefits that can be derived from this, what I call quantum healing. It's not physical. We'll get into that. This is all informational. Remember, all of my work is nonphysical.

Lesley Logan 7:31  

Right. So some of this, like, I can totally grasp, because I was just listening to Mindy Pelz, who's a scientist on fasting, and she was talking about inflammation, and what are the top reasons we have inflammation. And one of the things that she said was negative people. She said negative people cause inflammation, chronic inflammation in your body. So I was like going with that thought, this makes sense. How you protect the energy around you can definitely protect you from illnesses, diseases, things like that, and also needing surgeries or needing nutrition, because if you can protect the negative energy, if you can put a force build-up, or if you can just keep yourself around, not so negative, draining people, like, that can be helpful. So you've been doing this for 50 years. You don't look 64 so if you're not watching on YouTube, guys, you could check that out. When did you start? I guess like you've been doing this for 50 years. I'm sure you've come across people who are total doubters, and I'm sure there are people who are intrigued and they're going to keep listening. But what about the people who are like, I don't know, guys. How do people who maybe are skeptical or doubtful, how can we make them understand what you're doing in a way that doesn't make them feel like it's a double woo?

Tom Paladino 8:39  

I work with scientific instruments. Those instruments follow the laws of science. There cannot be any complicity with the laws of science. The laws of science are immutable. This is a scalar light instrument behind me. To demonstrate, it's pulsing right now. This instrument gives off so much power, to demonstrate, I can illuminate a light bulb in my hand, the scaler (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 9:05  

Oh, wow. You guys, if you're, those who are listening, he just lit, like, the light bulb's not in he's just holding it.

Tom Paladino 9:09  

So, that's evidence that this instrument is broadcasting some type of energy. We're in a different energy spectrum, a scalar energy spectrum, that, if you will, proves that free energy can light up a light bulb. Now, if I can light up a light bulb, then I can light up a person's aura, their force field. And that's what I'm doing. I don't want to light up a person's light bulb. I want to light up a person's aura, their energy field. That's what this instrument can achieve. Again, it's not flesh and blood. We're not working with people. We're working with the aura or the energy field of a person. 

Lesley Logan 9:46  

Yeah, I, okay. That makes a lot of sense to me. And also, in taking myself back to when I was a little girl on a school bus, you and your friends would have your palms up, and they'd have their palms over, and you could, like, kind of, do you know what I mean? You can, kind of, like, get your hands closed and you're like, oh, I feel your aura. Like.

Tom Paladino 10:00  

That's it. That's it.

Lesley Logan 10:01  

Okay, okay, perfect. So I felt that. I understand that. So you're doing research, you're in science, you're seeing the benefits in yourself. How did you start to even understand that you could help other people? Is it because of the apprentice scene? How did it come about?

Tom Paladino 10:14  

Yeah, very good. Well, my apprenticeship with the Hieronymus family was just incredible. They taught me scalar energy. Again, keep in mind there might be five scalar energy engineers in the world who've ever developed instruments like this that can produce human quantum improvement health benefits. Okay, so going back to 1993, I met this family, the Hieronymus family, and they brought me into their laboratory, and they showed me what they were doing. I was awestruck. It works. Well, my predecessor, Hieronymus, was so famous at one time he was working with NASA and the FDA and other government agencies because they saw the merit of his work. Why? He was a scientist and he follows the laws of science. So there's no woo-woo here, because the laws of science cannot be changed. You cannot in any way interrupt the laws of science. That's why we have scientific instruments. That's the key to our work. So we can duplicate our work. 

Lesley Logan 11:18  

Do we, so in order for us to benefit from scalar light work, scalar energy work, do we have to have these tools, or do we have to work with someone who's trained? And there's like five of you.

Tom Paladino 11:30  

That's, that's the sad part about it and I don't know why there's only a few scalar light scientists with scalar light instruments like myself. I am trying to promulgate this science. I'm an open book. I don't want this to be arcane, but sadly, very few people have followed up, as I have. It takes a lot of work. I don't blame people. And there's no paycheck in the present moment. There's no remuneration. So to answer your question, yeah, there's about five of us on the planet right now that I know of that have scalar light instruments.

Lesley Logan 12:02  

Okay. And so I think where I'm now really intrigued is because this is Be It Till You See It. How have you been able to continue to show up every day with this belief of something where there's only five of you with instruments, you know, that's gotta feel like people listening, gotta be like this. Gotta be an uphill battle to show up every, you know what I mean? How have you been able to be it till you see it to show up with this? Because I think so many people would just almost give up. You know? It's hard.

Tom Paladino 12:29  

I'm not a quitter. I don't give up. I see the merit and the people who've been with me for years, and we have many followers, they understand and they feel better. That's the key. Now, to be very clear, this cannot be proven by present-day academia, by science. Nobody's duplicated my instrument. Nobody's duplicated my work. My instrument is unique. That's why I'm saying there's probably only five people like myself that have my type of instrument, and most of them have followed in the footsteps of my predecessor, Galen Hieronymus. So it's a very narrow field, I admit to that, but I have confidence that this will catch on someday. I have confidence that someday people will see the merit. I have confidence that this will gain a mass audience someday. That day is coming. 

Lesley Logan 13:17  

Yes, so is there like pep talks that you give yourself? You know what I mean? Because here's the deal, I'm a Pilates instructor, which people know the word Pilates, and then also, in the world, there's a bunch of different variations. The way I teach, there's only so many of us who have actually been trained in the way that I teach, and it's by Joseph Pilates. So I totally follow the idea of understanding like, when you're with the source and you're the closest, and there's only a few of you, sometimes I can feel like, oh my gosh, everyone keeps saying, I do reformer Pilates. I'm like, there's no such thing, that's just Pilates on a reformer. I can find myself wanting to, like, hit my head against the wall. What do you tell yourself each day to keep going, to make this something that you're so passionate about, to continue the passion because the middle is so hard.

Tom Paladino 13:56  

You're right, and to put this into a common day experience, it's the reason why people get up and go to school and work a job and have a marriage or have kids or have goals, etc. You believe in yourself. I believe in myself. If this was not rendering great results, I'd say well, I made a mistake. I have to do something else. No, it's rendering wonderful results. I believe in myself. Our subscribers believe in us. But we haven't hit that point, that tipping point, where it's mainstream. When will it become mainstream? I don't know. Only God knows. That's a great point. You have to believe in yourself. And I'm sure your audience, they've come up, they've had this, if you will, this crossroads in their life, in which it depends, but what crossroad you want to take? I believe in myself. So I'm going to teach you to do this until the day I die.

Lesley Logan 14:50  

So then did your parents just phrase you to believe in yourself? Has it always been easy? What would you tell someone who doesn't? Like people who (inaudible) out so much that they can't believe that they were given a gift. You have this gift and you believe you have this gift. And I that's what I think is so cool about you. It's so rare that someone just like totally believes even when they're coming, they've seen the results, they have the research, they've done all this stuff, but it hasn't hit that tipping point yet, right? Like whatever Seth Godin says, I think it's called the tipping point. There are people who are listening where their self-doubt is so, is stronger than anything that they, because that's how they've always lived. And I guess I'm just curious how you believe in yourself so well. 

Tom Paladino 15:32  

Believe in God, believe in yourself. Have goals, have objectives. I believe in God. I believe in myself. Don't listen to the negativity of the role. I've had some snide comments. I don't lose sleep over them. I don't listen to them. It's a waste of time, people. If you follow your purpose in life, that's it. Remove all of those extraneous noise. It doesn't matter.

Lesley Logan 15:57  

Yeah, yeah. I think that's the voices that you've made up in your head or the ones that are on repeat from a family member you don't even talk to, or it's being distracted by the other people who are trying to put their stuff on you. That's such a good thing. Okay, so let's get into more of this together. Like, how can people, how do people know they need it?

Tom Paladino 16:16  

Okay, everybody needs it, whether everybody realizes that or not. Why? It improves your force field regardless. Energy from the sun, this divine energy, will always enhance the human condition. Now I have no medical problems. I'm 64 years of age. I'm not on one pharmaceutical product. I still treat myself every day. What am I getting at? This is nonphysical. Hence it's nonchemical. Listen carefully to what I'm about to say. I don't work with people, which would be a physical treatment. I don't work with the biochemical person. I work with people through their photograph. This is my photograph. If somebody sends me a photograph, I simply print it out on the piece of paper and I placed the photograph inside the instrument. Now, what's the point? That photograph, my photograph now, is experiencing a scaler energy force field. I feel that. If I can light up a light bulb, then I can light up my chakras on that photograph. That's what's happening right now. I know I'm rather sensitive, and I could feel that, that energy now tingling in my brain, in my mind. I can feel that, if you will, as I'm treating myself through my photographic force field. This is a new science. Has nothing to do with Newtonian science. This is a new science, quantum science, in which we access a person's aura, their force field, through their photograph. It's a new way of wellness in which there's no physical downside, there's no chemical reaction. It's information and people do not come to my lab. They send their photographic double. That's right.

Lesley Logan 18:00  

That's kind of, I mean, that's kind of nice, right? 

Tom Paladino 18:02  

Thank you. I can be in two places at once through a scanner and G-force field, in which I never work with people. The instruments are not designed to work with people. Their instruments are designed to work with a force field, which is their Bilocated version. 

Lesley Logan 18:16  

Yeah. This is, okay, so of course, there's a part of me going, oh, my God, can someone do voodoo on my photo? I'm not you, but like.

Tom Paladino 18:25  

You know, that's a good point. Now, that gives credence to the point that some people in the occult claim that they could take a photograph put a hex on the photograph. Now, that's not my line, I think. But is there a connection to a photograph to a person's force field? Yes, that, my photograph carries my soul, mind and body. My blood type is on that photograph, my eye color is on that photograph, my background, my genetic background, is on that photograph, a photograph light energy carries our makeup, my makeup as a human being is on that photograph. 

Lesley Logan 19:02  

Okay, as someone whose photograph is taken all the time, this is a very (inaudible) to me. Okay, so the, the next thing is, what's really nice about this is it's not another appointment I have to make, which is great. For the busy person listening, you can go be it till you see it without having to make an appointment. But I guess then, my next question is, like, do you need to know why I want the scalar light energy work? Or your don't even need to know what the things are. Do you have to know like, oh, I think I have the flu. Or is it just like, we put it in there and your machines do the work without needing to know what they're working on?

Tom Paladino 19:34  

On balance, the instrument does the work without any diagnosis. Now that's a good point. I do not diagnose. This is not a medical device. I don't want to claim that I'm diagnosing that's for the medical field, which is wonderful. Remember, I work with the aura, a force field. There's no hospital in the world that works with your scalar energy aura. So what's the point? You simply send me, email me your photograph. Here's a collage. Every day, I'll print out a collage, thousands of photographs, and I place them inside the instrument, and the instrument will ascertain what health challenges you have and start negating those health challenges. In other words, disease appears as a signature, as a some type of code, a scalar energy instrument, can find a disease signature and eliminate the code. Eliminate the signature. It's much like turning on a light bulb and having light and turning off a light bulb and you have no illumination. What's the point? If disease is some type of skin energy signature. I turn off the signature of scalarlight. I negate the scalar light signature of disease.

Lesley Logan 20:48  

How do you prioritize yourself in all of this? Because I can tell you care so much about what you do, and I have a lot of women who listen, who are so passionate about the things that they do that they actually don't take care of themselves anymore. You clearly do because you have no issues or diseases or lack of energy. We can tell that. So how are you prioritizing yourself in trying to make your goals happen?

Tom Paladino 21:10  

Every day, I start the day with prayer. I've got a great wife. She mandates that I have a super diet, that I have a logical diet. We don't overeat. I exercise frequently. I pray frequently. I am happy. I'd rather be gregarious than negative. So that is part of my lifestyle. The guy you see on this TV on the video screen is 64 years of age, without any complications, and I never has been on one medication ever in my life. Why? Well, it's because of my lifestyle. It's because of scaler.

Lesley Logan 21:43  

So if I were to send in my photo, would I know when you were working on it? Would I just feel different? How would I know that this works?

Tom Paladino 21:51  

That's a good point. People will send me their photograph, and they'll say, Tom, can you help? I have, I have Epstein–Barr. Now again, it's always by way of a photograph. So I'll take a person's photograph, and with this technique that I've developed, I'm able to take a magnified photograph of Epstein-Barr and have the two photographs communicate. I'm holding in my hand a photograph of Epstein–Barr. And what's the point? These two force fields communicate. And after they communicate, if I have in my aura, in my photographic force field, Epstein–Barr, the instrument will negate the force field of Epstein–Barr, will eradicate, remove, disassemble, Epstein-Barr. Now, after I do that, people tell me they no longer have symptoms of Epstein–Barr or some people will have a PCR test. Here's one test in particular. After I work with this person, their PCR test is not detected, no viral load, so I have to rely upon people. But our testimonies are stupendous. People from around the world tell me that they feel better. Now, I don't know anybody who who can show a track record, as I have, with thousands of people around the world, different lifestyles, different backgrounds, but essentially, all of them feel better, and I've never met them. How is that possible? It's not human ingenuity. There's no human diagnosis. It's simply the energy correcting the disease signature. You see the chemical level, the disease already manifests. Why not go to the signal, to the signature, before the disease manifests? It's so much easier at the level of cause than working at the level of effect. Which the biological level.

Lesley Logan 23:38  

Yeah, I understand that, because sometimes we take medications that help with just the symptom, but don't actually get to the root of the problem. You know, like yesterday, I was sneezing and I was on a call, and I was like, oh my god, I can't stop sneezing. So I took this allergy spray that I and I was like, okay, now I'm not sneezing, but it doesn't solve the problem of the sneeze in the first place. What is in my office that is causing me to sneeze. So if that, correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's what you're saying. What you're trying to do is like before you're trying to take care at the aura level, at the top level, versus all the way down, just like at the symptoms of the problem.

Tom Paladino 24:14  

Yes, thank you. The sneeze is the manifestation. The runny nose is the manifestation. What if we can tell this instrument to look for the energy field of a virus, the influenza virus, and negate it, remove it. That makes much more sense than worrying about the symptoms. I don't work at the symptom level of symptoms. I work at the causal level.

Lesley Logan 24:36  

Yeah. So, okay, so it's really cool. This is just, I'm just, observations. I think it's fascinating. A lot of times when I hear some unique ways of healing, they're kind of anti-science or anti-medical, but you are taking the medical diagnosis that someone gets from someone else, and you're using that on a different level. And I think that's really (inaudible) because, oviously, Western medicine has its perks. Sometimes, like something's wrong, you need the diagnosis. So this is really fascinating. What if I don't have a diagnosis yet? What if I just don't feel good and no ones's able to figure it out? Can the scalar light stuff help?

Tom Paladino 25:16  

Yes, it can. I'll give you a for instance, for the past five months, I've rolled out a new program I've worked with over 100 people who had cancer, 100 people, and most of those people after the past four or five months are in remission. Now I don't claim to be a cancer specialist. What I claim is that this instrument can pick out the force field of cancer in a tumor, and negate it, shut off the tumor, shut off the cancer, negate the signature cancer or tumor. That's my claim.

Lesley Logan 25:49  

Is it your hope that people would use this before they need it? Or is it, once they have the diagnosis, do they still go to the doctor while you're working with their aura? What's your favorite combination?

Tom Paladino 26:01  

Yeah, that's a proper term. I'm working with their aura, their force field, and it is preventative. Now, keep in mind, I get a yearly checkup. Doctor says you're fine. I have not one medical issue. Now, why? My wife has not one medical issue? What's the point here? We're not on any meds, because we take care of ourselves, but we're on scalar, which is preventative. I'll make this bold statement, as long as this instrument is working, functioning properly, I declare I'll never develop cancer in my life. That's my declaration, because I can identify a cancer signature and negate it. So it's in my case. I'll speak for my, it's my testimony. It's my body. It's preventative. I have 3000, 4000 testimonies on our website that speak of other people's testimony. To be clear, this cannot be reproduced. Nobody's ever reproduced by work. This instrument, my laboratory, is unique, and until somebody reproduces my work, then I I have to rely upon testimonies.

Lesley Logan 27:04  

Yeah. And also it's like, partly, if someone did, was able to reproduce it, then people would, I feel like it might be able to hit that tipping point, you know, sooner. But also, it's so hard if they haven't trained the way that you trained. What are you most excited about right now, and what are you hoping that people take away from this?

Tom Paladino 27:23  

I'm excited about life. I'm excited anytime we can improve our well-being, we do so. By the way, every day I have one or two goals, research goals, and I usually meet those. If I can do it, you can do it. If I have goals, you can do it. If I can introduce something that's new and different to mankind, everybody can do that, or at least everybody can participate. Why not improve our human condition? That's what I'm trying to do. In order to make an improvement, we have to change. If things aren't working out, we have to change. That's what I (inaudible). This is a change for the better.

Lesley Logan 27:57  

I really like your enthusiasm for life, and I think, also, everyone listening, those are some just really great ways to go about everything you're doing. Let's just be excited about it. This is fascinating. If you guys haven't been watching this on our YouTube channel, it's worth going back, because he has been showing different things, like not every YouTube interview is, got visuals. So this is one of those ones want to get back to. We're going to take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items.

Lesley Logan 28:23  

All right, Tom, if somebody wants to have you work with them, where should they go? How can they follow you? How can they get more information if they're curious?

Tom Paladino 28:32  

I'm all about performance. So the first thing you're going to do, go to the website, scalarlight.com, S-C-A-L-E-R and you'll visit that website, and you're allowed to submit, email your photograph, we'll work with you and your family for free. We'll treat your photograph for 15 days. I do that because I want to prove to you that this works. I want to prove that you're going to feel better after 15 days of (inaudible). So the website, scalarlight.com. Now, moving forward, I'd like to prove this to the world. I'll treat the world for free. If I have 8 billion people can sign up for the free session. What's the point here? To improve the world condition. That's why I've done this. This is why for 50 years I've been out on this path of discovery. I'm a humanitarian. I want to improve your lifestyle, my lifestyle. So, participate. Help me with this.

Lesley Logan 29:26  

So, okay, hold on. I have one more question, can you work with a photograph that is not sent to you? Or do you, do you know what I mean? Could you, in theory, take photographs of people that are just like out of a yearbook or no?

Tom Paladino 29:39  

 You can. You can. Any photograph is a source of light. My photograph is my fingerprint, so to speak, and my life is embedded upon that photograph. Yeah. So yes, you could walk into a football state. I mean, you could take photographs of 60, 70,000 people in a football stadium. Yes. Now, fast forward this, in my laboratory today, I've been working with half a million photographs. Over the years, people sent me their photographs. Today, I work with half a million photographs. 

Lesley Logan 30:08  

Wow, wow. Okay, well, that's, I mean, how, so someone like you could send your friend's photograph in you're really worried about them.

Tom Paladino 30:19  

It's a permission. We ask people to (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 30:22  

Get permission. I appreciate that. Okay, so get their permission. Don't just send people's auras in. Okay, all right. This has been really fascinating. You've given us so much of like self-talk and also amazing information about what it is that you do. Before we let you go, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?

Tom Paladino 30:44  

Just be happy in life. And if you want to change your life, then just make steps, gradual steps. Every day I have goals. Imagine if you had one goal a day and you're only working Monday through Friday. Well, that means, out of 220 days out of a year that you're working, you're going to make 220 improvements in your business, in your home life, family life, in your social life. What if you make just one improvement a day? You'd only do that Monday through Friday. That's 200-some improvements a year. Imagine what the world would be if everybody could have one improvement, one benefit per day. That's 8 billion people experiencing benefits every day. That's what the world is missing. We have to stop fighting. Improve the world condition. Be happy. Stop fighting. Let's make progress.

Lesley Logan 31:38  

Yes. Did you hear that? You guys? One goal a day, just one. I think the problem is some people have 17, and that is why we don't get to move forward. So I love this. Tom, you're doing really cool things, and they're really interesting and really fascinating, and I'm excited to see what you do. I do believe your passion is going to take you everywhere you want to go. And I also believe that when people are trying to do good things in this world, they can't, like, it has to work out. It has to be seen. So thank you for doing the efforts that you do, and for taking care of people and yourself, because that's how this planet becomes a more and more amazing place. 

Lesley Logan 32:12  

You all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you check out Tom. Tom, are you on the socials?

Tom Paladino 32:18  

Yes. On my homepage at the bottom, you'll see my social units. 

Lesley Logan 32:22  

Okay, so you can tag him. We'll put it in the show notes. Tag the Be It Pod, share it, tell it. Let us know how you're gonna use these tips. And also, if you send your photo in, keep us posted on how it goes and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 32:36  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 33:19  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 33:24  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. 

Brad Crowell 33:28  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. 

Lesley Logan 33:35  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. 

Brad Crowell 33:39  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Kick off November with Lesley in this first Fuck Yeah Friday episode of the month. She shares inspiring wins from the Be It community, featuring Olivia and Melissa’s stories of connection and personal growth. Lesley also reflects on the power of planning ahead and embracing growth without fear. Tune in to discover how grounding yourself in the present can bring clarity for the future and help you navigate change with confidence.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Building community and creating meaningful connections across time zones.
• The value of listening to the body and adjusting your approach with clients
• How intentional planning helps you stay present during hectic seasons.
• Embracing personal growth and releasing fear during big life changes.

Episode References/Links:

• Episode 400 with Gay Hendricks
• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks
• eLevate - eLevate Mentorship Program

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah.  

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. Welcome to your first FYF of November. We got a lot of Fridays in November, which is kind of cool. It means you have a lot of weekends, right? And I want to also say these are all being recorded before any big event happened, so if they seem like they don't follow the timeline, it's because they're being recorded in the past about the future. And I'll get into that because it's one of my wins. But let's get into your wins, and that's what we do here. 

Lesley Logan 1:11  

So our first win is from Olivia Walton. She's one of our eLevate graduates in round two, and I just adore her. And also, congratulations on your wedding, Olivia. But she said, Susan and I had a great mini session together. End of my day teaching, beginning of her day teaching, who knew North Carolina and New Zealand time zones would work out so lovely. Thanks eLevate for bringing us together. So I love this win because it's a win about two people making time for themselves and each other, who, by the way, only know each other because they're both grads of elevate. Susan was in round one, Olivia's in round two. So there's so much in this that I love, because I hear all the time people saying, I just want community, I want support, but it requires you to participate in community and support, right? And also not being bothered when who you try to create community with doesn't vibe back, because it's not personal. They're in their own thing, and then moving forward, because you will find your people and so way to go, Olivia and Susan. You are just so freaking awesome. I'm so happy about that. 

Lesley Logan 2:09  

Melissa Capitano is our next win. She is an eLevate grad as well. She's from round three. She's also one of our agency members, and she wrote yesterday, I taught a private session to a new client, just four privates so far. I started her with roll downs on the Cadillac. She could not keep her heels against the poles. I cued it, but she wasn't able. I said, no big deal. Let's do some other exercise and come back to it. We did footwork exercise in the C-Shaper, Elephant, Short Box on the Ladder Barrel, Leg Springs, and many more at the end. I said, okay, let's finish how we started. She was able to keep her heels on the poles. She said, how does it happen? I wanted to say it's because I'm amazing in training and I'm now an amazing instructor who can see what your body needs and can pick exercises that teach it. But I said something like you did other exercises that showed your body how to make the connections it needs either way, I think it's a win. So Melissa, I am so obsessed that your eLevate training has come in so handy, and that you're using it, you clearly are using it, and that you, you know, asked what you wanted, you didn't get it. Instead of harping on it, you gave the client what their body needed. And then I also love that you went back to see what happened. How cool is that? And I love that she got to see that too. The ownership in her body is as much the win as it is you picking the exercise she needs. So yes, you had an amazing training, but also you were implementing that training in your own way, and that is what I think is the most beautiful win. So thank you for sharing that with us. 

Lesley Logan 3:30  

All right, my win. One of the things that I've mentioned as a win before is just the team has been really good at helping me set myself up for success when it comes to these busy seasons. And so as you're hearing this, I've been home in the States for almost two full weeks. But it's not like I'm just here, you know, we're actually getting ready for the next thing and the next thing. And so my team and I were able to really think things through so many months ago to go, okay, what has to happen November? If, when would that normally happen in October? How can we make that happen in the summer? And so here I'm sitting with you, and I am able to support all of the different parts of the business that I'm in charge of without going, oh my god, oh my god. Because one of the things that drives me crazy is, when you're on vacation, worried about when you get back from vacation, how it's going to be. I've really been trying to practice being present. I'm an Aquarius guys. It's so freaking hard. It's really, really hard. So that has been tremendous. Has been a huge, huge win. It's just all the efforting in the past that's allowed me to be present in this present. 

Lesley Logan 4:35  

The other win I want to just share is that this entire year, I've been percolating on some major changes, and the win is that I'm not worried about those changes anymore. Doesn't mean that they're going to go smooth. Doesn't mean I've even implemented them, not even sure when I'm going to do that, but just getting to the point where I can percolate and think and even try out and think out different ideas without worry and fear, without the upper limiting problem that I have. That's huge. That is a win, and I want to share that with you, because I don't think we give ourselves enough credit for when we kind of not grow up, but we don't let the things that normally make us scared when that no longer scares us like we should celebrate, holy moly, because you'd work to get there right? The work I had to do was acknowledge I am worrying about things I cannot control instead of focusing on the things that I can. And so by not having that worry, I've been able to really play out some of my wonders. What would have me do this? What if we do it like this? What if we make this change? How does that stay in alignment? So it's a little esoteric of a win. It's not something super specific. I can't share it with you yet, but it'll eventually come out. And I just want you to know that it took me a long time to get here. I definitely had some tears the first time I thought about making these changes and lost sleep over it. And now I'm at a place where I'm like, these will make things better for everybody. And how can we make the changes in a way that honors everybody in the best way and honors our values? So to be there and ditch the upper limiting, oh, I just feel, feel good about it. If you're one about upper limiting as make sure you check out Episode 400 with Gay Hendricks and get his book The Big Leap. 

Lesley Logan 6:10  

All right. Time for your mantra because that's how we wrap up these episodes. So here it is. There is strength in the quiet. There is vulnerability in being loud. There is strength in the quiet. There is vulnerability in being loud. There is strength in the quiet. There is vulnerability in being loud. Oh, my dears. I hope that mantra gets you through this weekend, and I know there's a lot of uncertainty going on in the world, make sure you focus on what you can control. All right, it's very important. It's very important that you do that. Have an amazing day and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:48  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 7:31  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:35  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 7:40  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:47  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:50  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this episode, Lesley and Brad recapped their conversation with Tia Levings, the New York Times bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife. They explored Tia’s experiences escaping religious fundamentalism, the challenges of reclaiming her identity, and her commitment to raising awareness about Christian Nationalism’s impact. Tune in for a powerful conversation about perseverance, healing, voting rights, and moving forward.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

Tia’s story of breaking free from religious fundamentalism and reclaiming her identity.

The dangers of coercive control within certain religious communities.

Insights into the struggle and process of escaping controlling ideologies.

The importance of protecting individual rights and supporting policies of progress.

How intentional change and envisioning a new future play a role in healing.

Practical advice on how to vote mindfully and choose candidates based on core values.

Episode References/Links:

Cambodia February 2025 Retreat - https://crowsnestretreats.com

Flashcards Waitlist - opc.me/flashcardwaitlist 

Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/accelerator

OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour

Tia Levings Website - https://tialevings.com

Tia Levings Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tialevingswriter

A Well-Trained Wife! Pre-order Link - https://beitpod.com/preorderbook

Religious Trauma Resources - https://beitpod.com/resources

Books For Treats - https://booksfortreats.org/

Little Readers Big Change - https://www.littlereadersbigchange.com/

Rising Strong by Brene Brown - https://a.co/d/gE7Hm45

Vote Save America - https://votesaveamerica.com/

Project 2025 - https://www.project2025.org/

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

So she was not going to let them get her present or her future, because that was the only thing she had control over. And I find that so cool. 

Lesley Logan 0:10  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:52  

Welcome back to the be it till you see it. Interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the revelatory convo I have with Tia Levings in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one, you have missed the fuck out. It's so good. I clearly can be. It's pretty clear and you can tell when I loved an episode. I love this guest so fucking much. I don't want to scare her off, because I want to be her best friend, but in a non-culty way, Tia. But you should listen to it. And you can listen this one first and then listen that one. But it's really great. We do get into politics and you want to know what? I don't care. If you're mad at me for talking about how to save your right to be a human in this country, then I have no apologies, because it is near and dear to my heart that we protect people's rights. I have been to countries where you do not have rights and you have no idea what that looks like and how scary that is. And so, no.

Brad Crowell 1:45  

Yeah, no, it's been pretty crazy. So yeah, we are going to get into that a little bit. But before we do. 

Lesley Logan 1:50  

We're not telling you how to vote, by the way. We're just telling you the facts that are laid out before you. But Brad's smirking. You're not going to say, you're not going to, you're not going to say anything? 

Brad Crowell 1:58  

No, we're gonna get into it later. So. 

Lesley Logan 2:00  

All right, well, first, it is, today is October 31st 2024, it is Halloween. You are probably familiar with it, but there are some interesting history behind I'm sure there's some really good history. 

Brad Crowell 2:11  

Pagan and then Catholics were like, we hate pagan. So we're gonna make a (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 2:16  

Like, how did we get her recap on Halloween? It's a (inaudible) culture and anyways, anyways, I swear, I swear to you, when I was like, team, I want this out before the election. This was the only day. But we thought we'd share something actually really cool for you, and hope this doesn't get you teepeed or is that what you call it when they throw toilet paper on your house? 

Brad Crowell 2:36  

Yeah, that's what they call. That's what they say. 

Lesley Logan 2:39  

That's what they call. I'm sure they call it something else now. I'm sure it's called like, skippity or something. We thought we'd share about a really fun alternative to giving candy to kids called books for treats. So today is Books For Treats Day. Books For Treats Day was born from the belief that books are more valuable treat than candy on Halloween. Books are more beneficial to children than candies because they nourish the mind and equip the child to understand life better. Some naysayers tell Rebecca that she is stealing the fun of Halloween and ruining kids' Halloween. Rebecca clearly created. 

Brad Crowell 3:06  

She created this day. I forgot to say that part. 

Lesley Logan 3:08  

Yeah. We're gonna get to her in a second. In fact, the contrary is true. Kids love books. Since they get to choose their book from the age appropriate box, they're excited to have a treat that lasts more than a few seconds. I commonly hear we made sure to come to the book lady's house. Rebecca Morgan is the author of 25 books, two of which have sold over 200,000 each. She's appeared on Oprah, 60 Minutes, NPR, USA Today and international media. She's a speaker and management consultant and runs three businesses and this nonprofit. Learn more about Books For Treats at booksfortreats.org. We should just have her on the show. And also, I forget, but it's, sometime in this month, it might have been last Friday, we're recording this in the past for the future, but it is like National Reading Day or something like that. And we were going, we actually, from a different Rebecca as a guest, started donating to the Little Readers Big Change organization to help get books into K through 12 schools that have low funding. And so I'm all about this. If you get teepeed, I'm sorry. But also, like, put some (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 4:09  

I mean, you will, you'll get teepeed by, like, the 13-year-olds who are like, ew books. 

Lesley Logan 4:14  

But you want to know something? You might, oh, my God, that you might live in a state where some of those books have been not accessible at their school and you could be that book lady. We're going to that book lady's house. We'll get the other books. Anyways, we just got back from Cambodia retreat. 

Brad Crowell 4:28  

We did. We just spent 10 days in Cambodia with the largest group we've ever taken. It was amazing. 

Lesley Logan 4:34  

The retreats only, like six days, guys. We just were there for. 

Brad Crowell 4:37  

Yeah, we get there early so that we could prep everything and make sure everything is going to go smoothly. And then after that, we took a little breather. We actually went to Thailand. And we explored parts of Thailand that we'd never been to. 

Lesley Logan 4:48  

We went to Northern, I know it sounds like, oh, a beach. And I was like, opposite. 

Brad Crowell 4:52  

Jungle. 

Lesley Logan 4:52  

Lots of jungle, lots of really cool temples. Just, so cool.  

Brad Crowell 4:56  

Yeah. If you want to see something that is mind blowingly cool, go onto Google and search for northern Thailand, the White Temple. 

Lesley Logan 5:05  

It looks like it should have a movie around it with magic. 

Brad Crowell 5:09  

They have a White Temple, a Black Temple, Blue Temple, and I think there's a Red Temple, too. Anyway, it really is unbelievable. It's like this massive art piece. It's incredible. Like, jaw-droppingly cool. It's like, when I heard about it and I saw the photos, was like, we gotta go. 

Lesley Logan 5:24  

I understand that we are talking about a temple on this episode, but it's a different kind of temple. And we, like you said, look at it for the art in it and the history of it, and it's mind blowing. 

Brad Crowell 5:34  

Well, it was created by an artist. 

Lesley Logan 5:35  

Yeah, it's beautiful. So come to February's retreat, you won't see the White Temple, Black Temple or Blue Temple, but you will see the eighth wonder of the world. 

Brad Crowell 5:42  

You will see the eighth wonder of the world, which is another temple. It's actually the largest religious structure in the entire planet. How about that? 

Lesley Logan 5:51  

You wanna know why you shouldn't say no to Cambodia? Because when you come to Cambodia, you will learn about the temples, and you'll see some were Hindu, and then some were Buddhist, and then some were Hindu and some were Buddhist. Now they just celebrate all of it. So they have a lot of fucking holidays. 

Brad Crowell 6:03  

Yeah, that's a lot of holidays. 

Lesley Logan 6:03  

But talk about this compromise. They didn't go, oh, you all have to be Buddhist now. They are a Buddhist, Hindu. 

Brad Crowell 6:08  

Well, they did that a bunch of times. Yeah, they did that. They did war back and forth. And, different kings would change different things. 

Lesley Logan 6:14  

And then they just combined them all. 

Brad Crowell 6:15  

Yes. It's kind of a mash up now. 

Lesley Logan 6:16  

Yeah, okay, I am going to be. 

Brad Crowell 6:18  

Oh, go to crowsnestretreats.com to join us, crowsnestretreats.com. And then, now that we're back. 

Lesley Logan 6:24  

We're really diving in. My team is making sure I stay on the fucking track with this last deck. 

Brad Crowell 6:32  

We are.

Lesley Logan 6:32  

We are making sure that I do not go two months past schedule for the fifth time I'm doing it already. Right now, on this moment, I should have already written 50 cards and 50 blogs. 

Brad Crowell 6:43  

Great. 

Lesley Logan 6:43  

That's the goal. By this, by the time this drops, maybe more. And there's 83 to go. 83 total. So the accessories deck is going to have the two by four, sandbag, toe corrector. 

Brad Crowell 6:55  

If you're wondering what an accessories deck is, this is Pilates flash cards we've been doing. 

Lesley Logan 6:59  

Yeah. Thanks for making it, you know, specific. 

Brad Crowell 7:01  

Yeah, we got the sixth deck in the series, the accessories deck. So it's all the other things. And here's the thing, I get so many questions about, should I, which Reformer should I buy that could fit under a couch? You guys, there are so many pieces of Pilates, apparati, apparatus, apparatuses that you that don't take much space and you can make it home. And I bet you can say all three of those, because I just watched a whole reel about a guy talking about how platypus has four different plurals. I'm pretty sure it's just apparatuses. (inaudible) A plural of the word apparatus can either be apparatus or apparatuses. 

Lesley Logan 7:37  

So it has two, I think apparatus. Anyways. 

Brad Crowell 7:40  

I liked apparati, though. 

Lesley Logan 7:41  

I know apparati, it's like a, I don't know it's a cacti, at any rate, you guys, my goal is that more than half of this deck is hand-makeable. 

Brad Crowell 7:50  

Hand-makeable. You mean the the equipment being used in the deck? Yep. 

Lesley Logan 7:56  

Thank you again. He's just coming in here to translate what I'm saying, guys. We were on vacation and so I'm clearly already there the time that we're recording this. Okay, Brad, do you have any Accelerators left of this year? 

Brad Crowell 8:10  

Yes, yes. Actually, if you are a fitness business owner and you are stuck with money income, you keep hitting the same marks every year. You're not growing the way that you need to grow to be able to actually pay yourself the money that you want to make, or put money aside because you want to retire one day, then you should come join me on this free webinar. It's called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator, and in there, Lesley and I have been coaching for years and years and years, and I'm going to be covering the three biggest secrets that we have learned, we have gleaned, we have come alongside these businesses to go through the trenches of, how do we make adjustments with them? Create that plan with them that they can go change their lives. And we're going to share those. I am going to share those three big secrets with you on this webinar. It is totally free, so you should absolutely join me. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. And sign up. 

Lesley Logan 9:07  

And finally, we are, as you can hear, are clearly not staying in Vegas for very long. Because not only am I going to LA but then we're gonna come back and a few days later, after Thanksgiving, specifically, which my dad is now trying to get us snow camping on so we gotta figure that out. 

Brad Crowell 9:20  

We'll see. 

Lesley Logan 9:21  

He (inaudible) guys. So we can talk about it there. But we are going on tour, and you can buy tickets already. So. 

Brad Crowell 9:26  

Yeah, we're hitting the road again, y'all.

Lesley Logan 9:27  

I'm being it till you see it on these tour tickets. They are out now. 

Brad Crowell 9:30  

I'm so excited. Oh yeah, we, the tickets opened up in beginning of October. So, you know, things have been, uh, cruising here, but we are coming to 23 different cities. We're going to be doing the South, I guess southern central I don't know we're going to take Route 40 across. So if you're anywhere near Route 40, when we hit Greensboro, North Carolina, we're to go all the way up to Maine and then down to Miami, and then back through Texas, hitting Phoenix, all the way back home. So if any of that sounds anywhere remotely close to where you're going to be for the holidays, or any time of December, or if you live near there, come hang out with us. 

Lesley Logan 10:00  

It is so much fun. 

Brad Crowell 10:01  

It's a blast. It's amazing.

Lesley Logan 10:03  

It's so much fun. Balanced Body is sponsoring us again. We'll have Contrology equipment for you to try. There's prizes, lots of prizes. So it's gonna be really, really grand. 

Brad Crowell 10:12  

Lots of swag. Plus, if you're a teacher, you can get CECs on the workshops. So, anyways. 

Lesley Logan 10:12  

And the workshops are for every level. You don't have to be a teacher. 

Brad Crowell 10:14  

You don't have to be a teacher but if you need that stuff we're working that it in. 

Lesley Logan 10:22  

I've just created a new workshop, I've created a new workshop for this tour. And the working title is rolling with the mat homies. So mat is in parentheses because it's all about the transitions, and I think it might be too cute, and so I told Meredith to fix it. (inaudible) Well, I really like it. It's a working title.

Brad Crowell 10:39  

It is a working title. Well anyway, go to opc.me/tour opc.me/tour and join us while we are on the road. We really do want to hang and also introduce our pups to you. They love meeting you, too. So before we actually dive in here, I swear we are going to talk about Tia Levings and we are going to talk about.

Lesley Logan 11:00  

(inaudible) But we have a question. 

Brad Crowell 11:01  

Well, she said a, she said a word that I thought was really intriguing. She said she escaped. Okay, so if that is something that is intriguing to you, stick around. We're going to talk about her. But first we got this audience question. So Donna Lombardo on IG asked, Hey, I just ordered a workshop from OPC, which is onlinepilatesclasses.com and I would like to do the teaser, but I'm having a hard time finding this the correct place on my sitz bones to do the teaser. Where should I start?

Lesley Logan 11:28  

Yeah, so, Donna, you should really focus on your rolling like a ball, because the teaser is the same position on the sitz bones. It's actually behind the sitz bones as you're rolling like a ball. And in fact, you can roll like a ball and land in a teaser. And if you can't, if you lose your legs, or you fall back, or it just looks like (inaudible), is what Jake Bryant would say, (inaudible). So it looks like that. 

Brad Crowell 11:51  

It is what he used to say. 

Lesley Logan 11:51  

He used to say that a lot of times to me. Then you're in the wrong spot, and also you're not ready for it yet. So rolling like a ball is your friend. Double Leg Stretch is your friend because it's going to help you learn how to reach your arms and legs away from your center. And I also would recommend your single leg kick and double leg kick on the mat, because it's going to stretch your hip flexors out and create more strength in your hamstrings and your butt. Basically, the rest of the mat is going to be your friend. And anything that seems harder than teaser, or as hard as teaser, you're just going to pull out, so if you have the flashcard deck, you'll just pull out all the ones that look like a teaser and are towards the end. Pull them out you're not ready for them yet. And then also, you better love your roll up. And if your legs are coming up in your roll up or you come up like a vampire. 

Brad Crowell 12:36  

Your roll up is critical. 

Lesley Logan 12:38  

And if you're an OPC member, then you can actually show me what your version of the teaser is, and I can and the other teachers can provide some support around how close you are, how far away you are. Sometimes we're just talking about different exercises altogether. So maybe this is not even what you're asking for. It's the best way for us to give personalized and tailored feedback, because I can't give you more than this without seeing you, and so it's general, but if I saw you and I could see, oh, the reason why you can't find this by your sitz bones is because your lower back is tight. That's a whole different thing, versus oh, your core is weak, right? Or it's both. Anyways, so go to (inaudible) opc.me/40, opc.me/40 will get you 40 days of OPC for $40 and during that time, you can submit a video of you doing the teaser. 

Brad Crowell 13:24  

Yeah, come join us. 

Lesley Logan 13:25  

Send your questions in I love answering them. We want, doesn't have to be Pilates questions or business questions. They can be life questions (inaudible and I have great advice. 

Brad Crowell 13:34  

Yeah, we do. That's true. Just text us at 310-905-5534, or hit us up on the Instagram or leave a YouTube comment or whatever. You know, just reach out. We will pretty much get it all. Yeah. So great question. Donna, thanks for asking that. Stick around. We are gonna dig into Tia Levings and how she escaped from Christian fundamentalism when we get back. 

Brad Crowell 13:58  

Okay, welcome back. Now, let's talk about Tia Levings. Tia Levings is a New York Times bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife. It is her memoir of escaping from Christian patriarchy and fundamentalism. TiA is dedicated to shedding light on the impacts of religious fundamentalism and helping others break free from it and its political agenda through her social media platform and her books, she's actually writing another book right now on how she, once she escaped, how did she change? Because it took her 10 years.

Lesley Logan 14:30  

I know, and I think it's so good for the people who've like, it's a special book for people who've gone through that. 

Brad Crowell 14:36  

Yeah, it took her 10 years to be able to even share her story. Like, it was fascinating. She said that she.

Lesley Logan 14:41  

Tried to write it in different ways. 

Brad Crowell 14:42  

Yeah, she wrote it as a novel first, and then she wrote it under a different name, and she said it was all wrong. And then finally, through many years of therapy and life and raising kids and stuff, she was like, I gotta tell it as me. 

Lesley Logan 14:53  

I don't remember if it was in our interview, but I listened to her on an interview where she said she has healed so much from it. When she did her audio of her own book, she was able to do it. It did not affect her in that way. But the people in the sound booth were hearing it for the first time, and they were in tears, because they, it's it's dark, it's really intense, you guys.

Brad Crowell 15:14  

I mean, why don't you give us just a little bit of a synopsis of what this book is, A Well-Trained Wife and like, what her background is here, because I think that will be impactful. 

Lesley Logan 15:23  

Her parents were not super religious. And I wanted to say it before I get into this, somebody is gonna say not all Christians, just like someone post something like, not all men, guess what? Then stand the fuck up and say, hey, I'm not like that, and that's wrong. You gotta call this stuff out, otherwise you get lumped into it. So I'm just going to say that, because you're correct. It's not all Christians. This is a special type of it. However. 

Brad Crowell 15:45  

She mentioned that, in fact, on the interview, and she said, yeah, story of my life, that it's not all Christians, but somehow I was involved in this (inaudible) fundamentals.

Lesley Logan 15:55  

She was also involved in multiple churches. So here's the other thing. So she wasn't raised in a church in her early childhood. But they moved to Florida, and her parents joined a church, and one of those big mega churches, because it was like something to make friends. I know a lot of my friends were like, oh, I think I'm gonna go to church. My kids have this moral upbringing. The problem is, when she went there, the way that she interpreted the rapture is like she was going to be left behind. And so she had this, we talked about this with her sister, where she was in her life, and the way that she was born into this world, she took it as truly real, and she had this such a fear that she was going to be left behind and someone was going to die, and all these things. And so she was having stomach ache, but she just kept forcing herself to go. And then also all of her friends were like, oh, you shouldn't date. It's such, it's gonna break your heart. And by the way, my parents were never this strict, but they definitely dabbled in like, oh, there's some, really, some Christian churches. They pick the husbands for them. And I'm like, that's an arranged marriage. That's not okay with me. But this happens more than you think. So anyways, she marries a man who is not awesome and but she is marrying a Christian man, and she's doing the thing that she's supposed to do because a church told her to her job is to make babies.

Brad Crowell 17:09  

And he's very controlling. 

Lesley Logan 17:10  

And he's very controlling, and he's very abusive. And when she talks about the abuse she has, it is when they go from different church to different church that abuse turns into wife spanking. They literally call it that. It is, so it's basically a different word for abuse. You're abusing your wife. And as they switch from church to church, they go into a Calvinist Church, which is super dark, and they believe the kids are born with sin. And so anyways, there is a time when another wife, kind of like, breaks the fourth wall and is like, do not go off the grid because they were about to switch churches and go or move towns, which would mean they would go to a different church with the same (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 17:45  

This is after she was married, right? So she's married, she's in this really bad relationship, and the guys like, we're moving off the grid. We're getting out of here.

Lesley Logan 17:52  

Yeah. So so it slowly went that way after one church, the next church, and the more controlling the churches were, the more he actually did well. But she obviously was bearing the brunt of it. Her kids were bearing the brunt of it. There was abuse in the household, and you'll have to read the book to hear kind of why she left, and how she left, but she, but it is, I hope they make a movie about it, because it is truly empowering for those women that you know who are what people don't understand is coercive control and being abused doesn't happen overnight. It happens slowly, and there's a lot to lose because you're isolated, and the more isolated you are, the harder it is. And the other thing is, is that you start to then feel embarrassed, because multiple times, her parents are like, are you sure you want to do this? Are you sure you want to do this? And like, so

Brad Crowell 18:39  

Then you can't go back or you feel like you can't go back. And like. 

Lesley Logan 18:42  

Yes, and she was afraid she'd lose her kids because she has no job, because the women in these religions do not have jobs, so they have no money, so they can't. 

Brad Crowell 18:51  

They have no agency. 

Lesley Logan 18:52  

They have no agency. You are correct. 

Brad Crowell 18:53  

They're like, often not educated intentionally. They are just taught to conform and control. 

Lesley Logan 18:59  

Yes and she went for help multiple times, and the church, the different churches that she went to, didn't help her, didn't help her. So I think if you are listeners, and you're having a hard time that we are using the word Christian, and you're like, that's not my, that's not what I know. 

Brad Crowell 19:15  

That's not what I know.

Lesley Logan 19:15  

That's not what he knew.

Brad Crowell 19:17  

I mean, I grew up, I grew up in a church, and my church was pretty conservative. It was like a very intellectual style church, and then I ended up going to a very, very conservative 1950-style Bible college, you know where you weren't allowed to hold hand on campus unless you were engaged. You know, it was some, it was some really, really crazy rules that didn't make any sense. 

Lesley Logan 19:37  

And that, that school is producing a lot of this, and.

Brad Crowell 19:43  

I mean, especially, like a Trad wife thing, or you know, they used to jokingly call my school, the letters are LBC, like, like, Bible the bridal college. It was Bible college, but they used to call bridal college.

Lesley Logan 19:53  

I went to a Christian university, and everyone said, my dad said do not go here for your MRS degree It's too expensive. 

Brad Crowell 19:59  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 19:59  

That's what my dad said to me. So I was intentional and not dating and not getting married, but so many of my friends that was what they wanted, because that's what they had been raised with, and that's what they thought. And here's the thing, if that's what you want, there is nothing wrong with that. But where things get wrong is and what what she experiences when there's abuse, when you are affecting children negatively when you are in this control place and and then you are trying to then control those lives around you who do not live this way. That's where it goes wrong. Yeah? It's not like they're just on their plot of land living their purity life.

Brad Crowell 20:34  

Yeah, I think that's actually the thing that's kind of insane. Is like Christianity, the way I experienced it, and the way that I grew up, it was like, of course, there's missionaries and we're spreading the Good News and all that kind of a thing. That's not what this you know, that's still part of it. But this is about control. I also about taking over. 

Lesley Logan 20:51  

I think Tia and I also talked about this. When I went to church, you didn't know how people voted in your church. No one talked about that. My high school church was pretty conservative. They didn't preach from the pulpit. It was very, obviously, there were certain topics that people knew how people were voting. But Brene Brown said in one of her books, might have been Rising Strong or something about leaders. She said in the 70s, 70% of people lived in a community that voted differently than them. And today, well today, 10 years ago, 10 years ago, 70% of people lived where they voted the same. And so now the problem is, is that now, because you live in an environment where everyone's voting, similarly, it's also very visible because of the internet, yes, your fear of being kicked out of the community is so real because you want to belong. 

Brad Crowell 21:39  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 21:39  

And so that is kind of what (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 21:29  

I mean we're a tribal, we're tribal species. 

Lesley Logan 21:38  

Of course. That's how being able to tell stories and work together is kind of why we got here. We probably should talk about her talking points. 

Brad Crowell 21:49  

I know. We've, we definitely went down a tangent there. I appreciate you. 

Lesley Logan 21:53  

I really hope you all read her book and if you want to listen to it on tape. It is a great listen. It is hard. I strongly encourage you if you are like this is not how I know church to be, then I also encourage you, because it's important to know what other people are going through, because you also need to understand, why are they voting that way? Yeah, why are they not scared about these things? Because that's how they're living, and they want us all to live like it. So I was, I think I asked her a question, and her response was, that's faith. And I was like, oh my God, so be it till you see it is faith, guys. And one of the things that like blew my mind when I read her book is that you could be it till you see it in a way that affects you. But I had this in relation today.

Brad Crowell 22:31  

I need you to expound on that. Be it till you see it in a way that.

Lesley Logan 22:34  

Is affecting you.

Brad Crowell 22:35  

Negatively affects you. So, it is possible to do that be it till you see it in a way that negative (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 22:40  

And here's, here's what I have percolated on census interview, and she said you're supposed to become what they want you to be. So it's not being until you see it. It's being it till they see it in you, until you're doing what they want. So it's really not, it's still not a true be it because you are conforming to what they want and you're being it till they see it. That's what it really is. You're doing all the things to get their approval, to stay in the community, or to not get beat by the husband, or be terrible to get kicked out. She even talks about this time when she found this internet group, and then she almost got kicked out of that internet group because they were kind of like talking about things that were like, not super purity, whatever their religion was at the time. So anyways, faith is how these things happen. You're having faith. 

Brad Crowell 23:25  

And I think we need to clarify that. 

Lesley Logan 23:27  

Well, why don't you? 

Brad Crowell 23:28  

Okay, so faith is the idea that you can become this thing, right? That this thing can happen for you down the road. What she's talking about there is that when you have a religious formula that promises rewards, like prosperity or love or blessings or happiness, if you do x, y and z, then why would you not want to do x, y and z? Because you want to stay in the community. Your family is there, your friends are there. And so of course, that's the entire goal is then okay, if I do this, then these other things will happen, and that will be this high level reward of prosperity and love. I mean, there's a whole new offshoot of Christianity that is literally, like, all they talk about is making money. 

Lesley Logan 24:12  

Oh yeah.

Brad Crowell 24:12  

Yeah. It's crazy. Minion Jesus. It's like a whole fucking thing. It's fascinating. 

Lesley Logan 24:16  

It's very, I know it's a bit much, it's a derogatory name, so please don't get mad at me. But the Moonies have broken up, and the second son of the Moonies guy, their whole Christianity is built on guns and the Second Amendment, and so he's the Third Coming of Christ, or something like that. There is a lot of different ones out there guys. But she said fear of rejection and punishment drove her to fake it till I make it, to avoid hell, to void rejection and unhappiness, because that's what they promised her. They promised her, if you follow all these things, you will feel this way.

Brad Crowell 24:46  

Yeah, no, well, not that you'll feel this way, but that you will avoid these things. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 24:50  

Some of us can think back into our youth to kind of go, oh man. When I was in my 20s, I was such a free spirit. I was such these things to, like, kind of find themselves again, right? She can't do that. She can't look at her 20-something self or her 30-something (inaudible) right because they, she actually had to grieve those parts of her past that is gone. She doesn't get those back. She doesn't get those years back. She can't change that. So she had to have a new vision for what is, who's Tia at 50? And that you guys, is being until you see it. So if you are someone like Tia who has just such a childhood or such an event in your early youth, like adulthood, that you can't really use that time to figure out what did make me happy? Like, I hate the question, like, oh, were you super like this when you were a kid and that's why you're a Pilates instructor? No, I wasn't. She can't, being it until you see it is like, what, who do I want to be? What could I be? And you have to see some of those things to believe those things. So she was not going to let them get her present or her future, because that was the only thing she had control over. And I find that so cool, whether or not you had her life experience right now, you guys, you have the control over the present and the future, like the choices you're gonna make. Obviously don't have control of, like, what could happen in those things. But like, what time you want to wake up? Where do you want to go? What do you want to wear? What do you want to listen to? What are you putting in your ears? You have control of those things. So that is part of being it, till you see it. 

Brad Crowell 26:10  

Here's what I really loved, and this is where I'm going to go a little bit into politics y'all, which we don't do very often here on this pod. I'm sure you understand. If you're a longtime listener. You know us. You know where we stand. I want to talk about this here because this is a very scary concept. Okay, what you two were talking about was, what if our convicted felon of a candidate for the Republican Party, what if he gets into office? That's going to be really scary. But what if he doesn't get into office? What is actually going to happen? It's not like this movement is just gonna go away. So how are they doing that? And what she did is she broke down how there's a bunch of conservative organizations who effectively banded together. There's over 100 of them, right? And they created this program called Project 2025, and before that, they were very connected to Jerry Falwell. And before Jerry Falwell came out and said, hey, we should be supporting Trump. The Republican Party was not interested in supporting Trump. They were like, we're not with this guy. He's a crazy person. But because of the religious fundamental movements that are really underpinning a lot of the decision making now in the Republican Party, they said, no, no, we got to get behind Trump. And what they did is they basically created someone who could be swapped out. So if it's not Trump, it could be somebody else. It doesn't matter.

Lesley Logan 27:28  

Oh, (inaudible) and I got to show you a reel I just saw. I'll show it to you later. 

Brad Crowell 27:31  

Yeah. So the point is that if he fails to be elected president, it doesn't mean that this movement goes away, okay, and so you two were then talking about, what do we do, and how do you move forward with this? And Tia said she chooses light, she chooses life, she chooses energy, she chooses progress. So she was specifically talking about voting, and she said the most important thing is that we have the right to vote and we can cast the vote. She was not in a place where she could vote. 

Lesley Logan 27:59  

No. She was in this country and was not allowed to vote. 

Brad Crowell 28:01  

She was not allowed to vote. Okay? And so I'm today, right now, I'm wearing a hat that's, it says VSA on it, VSA, which stands for Vote Save America, and it's an organization that we would encourage you to go check out. They help you volunteer, donate, or even run for office, or just understand, are you even a registered voter? They can help you through all those things, and they're an amazing organization. Vote save America. Go check that out. But she said, if there's someone who is going to be putting policy in place that could restrict my vote, I'm voting for the other guy because the other guy is going to be helping me be able to vote. 

Lesley Logan 28:34  

And I think that's really important, no matter how you label yourself in politics in this particular upcoming election, and maybe the next one too. We need to be voting for the people who have the love and the light and the energy to provide more rights for people, not take them away. That's the easiest way to distill who am I voting for in every single whether it's a judge or a local school board or whatever it's like, who is wanting to support as many lives as possible, and who wants to support less people? 

Brad Crowell 29:05  

She said something else, which I thought was really interesting. She's like we as a society have moved through and past puritanical times, but that's what she was basically living under, right? Here in the United States today, right now. And the point is, this is still there, and the Christian Nationalist Movement that is, the fundamentalist movements that she was part of, could be lumped under that movement. They're still making decisions, and they're still trying to expand and control, right? So when we are voting, we need to be voting people into power who are going to be protecting people, right? Not people into power who are going to be taking rights away for people. 

Lesley Logan 29:43  

And voting for people who we might not agree with on everything but we can argue with because we have the right to that is a right that is not shared in most countries, to be able to yell at your politician and go, you're not doing what I want. That is a very special thing we have here. So Jane Bona says you vote for the person you can argue with. 

Brad Crowell 29:59  

I was just thinking about her. 

Lesley Logan 30:00  

Yeah. So in Shakespearean times, when they wrote those plays, the Puritans were really big in power, and they would control a theater, and certain plays would not be allowed on the stage, and no woman could write and no woman could act in them even though the characters were women, they had the men dressed as women, because it would have been too ridiculous outside of their religion. That's what it is. That's what's going on. You won't even have art. It doesn't exist. Anyways, we've got to get to the Be It Action Items.

Brad Crowell 30:27  

Yeah. So she said I choose to go forward. And she expressed support for political ideologies and groups that protect progress, even if she doesn't agree with them entirely. Okay? So you know that is what we would put this in front of you and argue the same thing. I don't remember why or when it became this idea that we have to agree with our political candidates 100% of the time for us to vote for them? That is, that is like only a new thing. That was never the case, even 10 years ago.

Lesley Logan 30:57  

My parents always bitched about whatever President was in office and they voted for him. 

Brad Crowell 31:01  

Right. Yeah, exactly. And somehow we have this idea that, like, oh, there's this one thing I don't agree with. Well, what about the other 99 things? Do you agree with those? So anyway, yeah, all right. 

Lesley Logan 31:13  

We'll, beat this in. 

Brad Crowell 31:14  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 31:15  

We're linking to everything. I'm sure we did it on the other episode on Project 2025, if you come at me and say he said he's not with that, I'm gonna tell you right now, he flew on the plane with him after he said that. He hung out with him after he said that, do not come at me with that, because it's called logic. And 200 people who were part of his office before were part of writing that. 

Brad Crowell 31:34  

So yeah, I mean, like a large part of his staff were the people who then went on to write project 2025 so of course, he's aware. 

Lesley Logan 31:41  

Let's get to some positive 

Brad Crowell 31:42  

All right. Let's move on. Let's move on. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're actually gonna dig into the Be It Action Items that we took away from Tia, where she had some incredible insight that's for each and every one of us. So we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 31:54  

All right. Welcome back. Finally. Let's talk about those, Be It Action Items. I'll get myself off my high horse here, and we'll talk about Tia Levings and the action items that she said during the interview last week or earliest week, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Tia Levings? She sai hey, spend time with yo self.

Lesley Logan 32:18  

She went on a freaking slow cruise to Europe. 

Brad Crowell 32:21  

By herself. 

Lesley Logan 32:22  

Yeah, it takes like, six or eight weeks.

Brad Crowell 32:24  

That's pretty crazy. I know that's kind of amazing.

Lesley Logan 32:27  

I want to, do I want to do that? I don't. I love being by myself. Do I want to be by myself that much? I don't know, but I agree with this. I love when you go out. I'm like, I have all (inaudible). What am I gonna do? It's such a good way to, kind of, like, understand what you need and what's going on. I love it. 

Brad Crowell 32:41  

Yeah, she talked about just tuning out the noise, learning to sit in silence. I can tell you, I always find myself walking around listening to something. I'm always listening to something. It's very rare that I actually have just chill time. I'm always entertaining myself in some way. She pays attention to her nerves and bodily sensations, honoring them, even if she can't fully understand them or express them yet. So when you have a little bit of quiet time, that can be really powerful.

Lesley Logan 33:09  

Yeah, I agree. And it's also kind of the only way to hear it, you gotta hear it, you know? All right, my biggest takeaway is kind of, I mean, like she'd spend time with yourself, and then she said, spend a lot of time envisioning. She doesn't believe you can become something without intention unless you can see it. For her, she needs to be able to see it using practice like vision boarding and journaling to the person she wants to become. So she's big on vision boarding. And she also has a win board, and I love that. You guys have to have two boards because you can put it over here. I'm like, oh, that is way too much fun. I think it's so cool. 

Brad Crowell 33:41  

I love the wins board because it allows you to remember, if you're in the moment of beating yourself up, which we all go through, you know, being able to turn around and see the wins board and be like, oh, yeah. But I, I did do that. And that happened, and this happened. 

Lesley Logan 33:55  

I mean, you guys, she practiced many times in the mirror being able to speak or smile like a normal person would, because she didn't spend a lot of time with people outside of her church. There's just different nuances to how life is. 

Brad Crowell 34:09  

She said she couldn't even be on the phone without stuttering the whole time. And she said being able to even do the interview that you two had is like a dramatic difference from where she was.

Lesley Logan 34:20  

Yeah. And she's doing some great things. She's really worth following on Instagram. I highly recommend it. I really recommend this book. I recommend anyone who is doubtful that this stuff really exists, it's, it does, and so reading other people's stories kind of, to me, though, it's why I like books and I like travel. It allows you to see how other people are living, and one, recognize how much you do have. Two, you can learn a lot about what you want and don't want, and that is important. You know, we take things for granted.

Brad Crowell 34:48  

I was literally just gonna say, I want you to know how much we appreciate you, yeah, being here with us on this pod, and we genuinely care about you, your well being and your future. We care about all of our future.

Lesley Logan 35:01  

So if you disagree, if you disagree with some of us on some of these points, that's okay, because we still love you, because just like we don't have to agree with every 100% of the people we're voting for, we don't have to agree with everything that you are or say to still love you and still want to support you and your journey. Trust us. We've got family members who I'm a little bit like, hmm, we don't agree on these things, but I still love you and I still want the best for you, and we will constantly put out content here to support you and everything you want to be it until you see it. Thank you so much. 

Brad Crowell 35:29  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 35:31  

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Tia Levings, New York Times bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, opens up about her harrowing escape from Christian fundamentalism and reclaiming her life. Tia discusses the impact of religious pressure, the lies behind Christian nationalism, and her healing journey from trauma. Learn how Tia chose progress over fear, created healthy boundaries, and now advocates for societal change.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Insights into the dangers of Christian fundamentalism and nationalism
• How Tia navigated trauma from religious control and rebuilt her identity
• The impact of high-control religion on self-development and individuality
• Tia’s healing process and journey to reclaim her life after escaping
• How she uses visioning and journaling as tools for self-growth

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Tia Levings is the New York Times bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, a memoir detailing her escape from Christian patriarchy. Her next book, The Soul of Healing, releases with St. Martin’s Press in 2025. Tia’s work sheds light on the abuses of Christian fundamentalism, religious trauma, and evangelical patriarchy, and she has been featured in Salon, HuffPost, and Newsweek. A sought-after speaker, she’s appeared in Amazon’s docu-series Shiny Happy People and her social media content has garnered millions of views. Based in Jacksonville, Florida, Tia is a mother of four and enjoys hiking, travel, and painting.

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Episode Transcript:

Tia Levings 0:00  

We've all had hard, bad experiences, but it's what I was able to do with it that I'm able to move forward and do more things as a whole person. I don't consider myself broken anymore. I don't consider myself scarred. I consider myself whole. And to get there, I did everything that healing has to offer.

Lesley Logan 0:20  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Be It babe. Get ready. If you haven't read the book that we're going to talk about, then you need to take a pause and order her book. It is very informative, is very important, is very needed. We have our guest, Tia Levings, today and I'm actually going to try to make this as quick as possible, because I just want to get into her brilliance. So she is the New York Times bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, and she does have another book coming out. And she escaped the patriarchal fundamentalist Christian life, where there was just so much trauma and abuse that she was going through. And then we talk about her journey in that. And also we talk about why she's doing what she's doing today, and what's so important about it. And she's had so many be it till you see it, moments in her life, like truly so many, and she still is. And I just find her absolutely one of a kind and truly amazing. And I am so excited for you to hear this podcast. So take away your distractions. Enjoy this and if you haven't read A Well-Trained Wife, then please do. It's a beautiful book, and it's an important example of things that are happening to women and people every day. And you know, it's very easy for us to judge what we don't know, and then we can know it, and we can have some empathy for it, and we can also kind of understand why things are going on and how also can we reach out? What is it that we can do? So here's Tia Levings. Thank you so much for being a listener on the show. Thank you, Tia, for being a guest on the show. I'm so excited for everyone to hear you, and if they don't know you yet, to know you. All right, loves Here you go. 

Lesley Logan 2:35  

All right, Be It babe. I'm gonne be honest. I don't fangirl very much. I'm a fan girl a little bit for now, because I have heard this woman on another podcast over a year ago, at the time they're recording this, and then when I heard she was gonna have a book and I'd have to wait till the summer of 2024 and I was like, I hate the publishing world. Why are we waiting so long? Tia Levings is our guest today. She is the author. She's a bestselling author. New York Time's Bestselling Author, congratulations, of A Well-Trained Wife. I absorbed this book as quickly as I could. And then I was kind of bummed that I put it down, and I was like, well, I, maybe, I should have (inaudible) much longer. Tia, in case they don't know you, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Tia Levings 3:10  

Yes, I am the New York Time's Bestselling Author of A Well-Trained Wife. I'm still practicing saying that. It's my memoir of escape from Christian patriarchy, and I educate on the abuses in Christian fundamentalism online. So a lot of people meet my work through either just like you did, an interview or my reels or my social media platform. 

Lesley Logan 3:28  

Yeah, your reels have been so informative. So we're recording this right now in the summer of 2024 we're before the election, and one of the things that I've loved about your work that you've put out there is explaining to people why some of these rules and laws and things people want to change, why people would want that to happen? Because I can sit here and go, why would anyone want that? And then you're and then you're so good be like, well, this is how they live, and this is why it's like that. And so it's been really fascinating. I was able to share with my husband, and then as I listen to your beautiful book, I would tell Brad, I pause and go, here's what's going on in her life right now. I would share with him, so he probably feels like he knows you, too. So you have your book, and it's about your story. And in the beginning of your book, you talk about being a young girl going to church. And it took me back to my parents were very into church, went every single Sunday, we also were church hoppers. So there's part of your story that part of me goes, oh, my God, this could have been me. I went to a Christian university. I went to Assemblies of God. So, speak in tongues, you know, dance in the aisles. A little more fun. 

Tia Levings 4:35  

A little more fun. 

Lesley Logan 4:37  

Just a little more fun. But you had stomach issues and anxiety and just like this worry and fear and so but I noticed that in your book, as you tell your story, you also then continue to try to be this good Christian woman. And I was like, oh my god, she was being it till she saw it in a way that was negatively affecting her. So can we talk a little bit about, about like, Why? Why you were doing, why were you trying to fit in so much, and how did that affect you? 

Tia Levings 5:07  

I love this question because what you're really describing is faith. And faith is the idea that you can become this thing, you can grow in this way that you aren't yet, but if you do these things, then you will achieve this and you trust that you will get there. And that's tangled up in fundamentalism because they drop the promise constantly that if you follow this formula, you will achieve this promise. And the promise they kept showing me was acceptance, love, blessing, prosperity, happy family, happy husband, happy parents. I am a very sensitive person, and I came onto this planet with a lot of big feelings and a lot of raw nerve endings and expressing out how do I get loved? What do I have to do in order to be loved and accepted and safe? And I'm hyper aware to everything. So I think that there is a personality piece to this. I think there's a cultural piece, a family history and generational trauma piece. There's a lot of things that went into little Tia became a people pleaser, really, at a very early age, and I was in a culture that sent almost exclusively messages that I needed to change myself in order to be desirable, so I was very eager to follow those formulas and fake it till I make it because I didn't want to burn in hell. I didn't want rejection. I didn't want, I didn't want to be miserable or unhappy or called a heretic or, you know, cast out so that, that's it. 

Lesley Logan 6:34  

Yeah, and I think how many young people, especially young women, you know, I think you describe a lot of our listeners, highly sensitive, highly empathic. You know, they would say that they're a people-pleaser. And we've said on the show before, guys, people-pleasing has gotten very few people anywhere. Yeah, if you have found someone who people-please their way to the top, please, by all means, send in my way. I'm happy to figure this out, but it broke my heart, because I was like, oh, my god, yeah. I remember being like, oh, how do I be even better at being this Christian girl who shows up because you don't want to be the, of course, you don't wanna be the things they say could happen to you, and, of course, you want all the things that they promise. So it is interesting how your sister, you mentioned in your book, is not the same way, did not end up in the same path. 

Tia Levings 7:20  

Monica, she's just not as sensitive. I don't know how to describe it. We come from the same family, but she's just not as sensitive. She's sensitive in a different way,. I think. She understood that exteriors were exteriors and internals were internals. And I think there's some, probably some family stuff that is just her experience of our family is different than my experience. And so to give you an idea, I was born with a tooth and I had colic. I was my mom's firstborn. We have a very different bonding experience than my sister, who was born compliant and affectionate and calm and so she didn't have, I think, the same creative rage, I think, to feel wanted (inaudible) she was wanted. 

Lesley Logan 7:21  

Wow. I think if you were a firstborn, I was gonna say, are you firstborn? Because there's something like, I am a firstborn. I also think, my siblings and I were born, my mom was 21 when she had me, and 25 when she had my brother. There's three of us in there, so she. 

Tia Levings 8:20  

Everyone has a different experience of your mom. 

Lesley Logan 8:22  

Yeah, everyone has a different experience because, you know, that's a young mom, first of all, with not a lot of help, and she ended up having some postpartum issues that definitely affected how my brother was even raised, and so it's so, you are correct there, and I think that's really important for us to dive into. And I think when you guys read her book, you'll understand. You might have a sibling or a cousin, like, how did you end up like this? But it's just like, it's a, we, no one is like, a constant. You know, we're all kind of changing. Okay, so I want to explore some things. You mentioned fundamentalism. I think there's an interesting problem in our life today that there's Christians and then there's Christian nationalism and there's fundamental, like, can you kind of explain some of the differences? Because I know that there might be some Christian listening, who might I'm not trying to discount or make fun or truly ignore, that that is something that you might believe in. But there are differences in what Christianity was, or it should be, or is, and then what Christian nationalism, fundamentalism, is. 

Tia Levings 9:21  

Yeah, thanks. I like being able to draw these distinctions, because I think they're just really relevant to where we are today. And my number one pushback that I always receive is not all Christians. And I'm like, I am very aware that all Christians are not the same, painfully aware, that is, that has been the glaring truth of my life. So at least, bottom, you know, Christianity is a belief system that the only thing you need to belong is belief, is proclaim your belief. And so a lot of people have used the word Christian throughout history because it's so broad and it's just part of our world religions and our and our archeological history, it means different things in different time periods. And so I think in like, I'm Gen X and when I grew up in the 80s, Christianity was pretty like it was a lifestyle. It was a belief choice. It was a belief system, different than Catholicism or Judaism or Buddhism. But it's just one of the world's religions, and there was a mainstream presentation of it. And in previous times in history, maybe there was more agenda attached to it, but in the 1980s it really felt like you could just decide to be Christian or not. You could take your kids to church. You could be more devout or not. There wasn't a larger framework and agenda you were buying into when you decided to be a Christian. It was your decision for your life, and it was your personal walk with Christ. That is not what it is today. Today it is in a political movement. It is buying into entire ideologies and groups that don't really have anything to do with Jesus whatsoever. Whereas I was more familiar with different denominations and flavors of Christianity when I was growing up, like you mentioned, Assemblies of God is different than Southern Baptist, but we have enough in common that we might sit at the same table. It's not like that anymore among Christians and Christian nationalists, because they're so divorced from Jesus. Christian nationalism, buys into this fundamentalism that's been rising over 50 years, that's been, that has a political agenda that has dominionist theology at its core, which is that Christianity should take over the entire globe and they truncate or that's not the word I want, they co-opt into evangelisism, because that's how the Mets, the Methodists spread. You evangelize your belief system, either through your lifestyle, your words and deeds, or through active missions. And so it helps spread this message. But it's, it's one of the lies I hope to uncover with my work the most, because this, what I'm from, is not just an alternative lifestyle or a belief in Jesus. This is a political ideology bent on dominating the rest of the culture, and that's why it's important to unpack it and examine it. 

Lesley Logan 11:54  

Yeah, I think I'm an elder millennial and so I grew up in the 80s and the 90s, and I never remembered people's business of politics even entering a conversation on a Sunday. It just wasn't (inaudible).

Tia Levings 12:09  

Technically, it's a law for them to tell you how to vote, and we kind of adhered to that back then. 

Lesley Logan 12:13  

Yeah, we did. And you just kind of loved everybody you know. And my parents were those Christians, like, you moved in the neighborhood, and they would show up at your door and they bring you food. And if someone passed away, they're like, how can we help you? How can we like, they took my mom, took pregnant teenagers off the street who've been kicked out of their houses. That's the type of person we were and if you're nodding along because that sounds familiar to what you're used to, that is not what they're preaching today. Because it's really like, it's I don't see them taking anyone's kid in. I see all them wanting to kick everyone's kids out that don't believe it in the way they believe. And that, to me, is so antithetical. And you're like, what Bible are we reading? How are we doing this? 

Tia Levings 12:55  

Today is about legislative morality and making their views make, by force, making, forcing you to comply with the way they believe and getting involved in politics to the exclusion of any American plurality or democracy, and it's taken them years to get here. This didn't just happen. This is not one President's fault. This is a long standing strategy that does involve our lifespan, but we were too little, and it was too new to really be a force in our formative years. 

Lesley Logan 13:23  

Yeah, so I guess, like you've read this, you wrote this amazing book, and in this book, you talk about and I also found it very fascinating, because you say, people say, not all Christians, and in your marriage, in your life, in this world, you went through many different types of different churches, and they seem to just get, continue to get worse and worse. As far as, like, what you as a woman could do and even what your kids could do, you know, obviously, with, the book is here, so you've got out, so we're not spoiling anything, but you all have to, like, the story is just incredible. You have to read it. But I guess I want to go to the after the book, because after the book ends that part of your life, because there's another be it till you see it moment, like you went through a healing process. It just is intense. And I guess maybe we can talk a little bit like, what does years of abuse or years of control do to a body? And how did you get to a place where you could actually write them? I mean, you're a writer, so that's not the problem. But like, get the point where you could actually tell the story, and not almost relive it? 

Tia Levings 14:24  

Yeah, I love that question too, because it's really more my focus once I get this off my chest, you know, I have to tell you what broke me before I can tell you how I healed from it. So I have another book underway called The Soul of Healing. And the contrast of these two books is that in the beginning of A Well-Trained Wife, I'm a child who should be developing as a child. I should be developing my sense of self through normal child development, which is denied you in high control religion. They do not want to nurture individuality. They do not want you to become your best and highest self. They don't want you dreaming and daydreaming of what you can become. You're supposed to become what they want you to be. That's the whole goal. 

Tia Levings 14:58  

When I was in recovery when I broke out of that, I was faced with a dilemma. I had to become someone, become who I am. But I had had no self-development. There was no foundation there. There was just like this broken heap of rubble to put back together and say, okay, I'm going to kind of make a person out of this. And I couldn't have done it without vision and imagination and healing. I did it with 10 years of trauma therapy and putting myself back together. As far as the challenges go, like, what's broken? How can I heal this? How can I address this trauma? All of that happened, and the writing was a piece of that. The writing was, it started out as a therapeutic journal, and then it developed into a novel, because I thought I would tell this hard story with some distance, emotional distance to it. But that's where I was at the time. I wasn't able to say this happened to me. And then it was a book with a pseudonym, because I tried someone else's name on that didn't fit either. And then finally, as I get through my healing and I have become Tia, I'm ready to tell my story of what happened to Tia. And all of that is becoming who I wanted to be, and it's, it's a building process. I have a vision board that somewhere in the middle, there, I eventually hung alongside of it a victory board, because my visions were coming true, and I had needed to mark them as accomplishments, and I became a real different, I have a different life today that you can see in pictures, because they came they came true. 

Lesley Logan 16:20  

Okay, hold on, okay, I love a vision board, like, I still have this vision board. You don't know this yet, but my listeners do. I had three stints in my life where, like, I was without address and, I never had to sleep on the streets, I always had a car or a couch to crash on. So I'm very, very grateful. And I was also had a job, and so I like also tell people it's just sometimes expensive to get into housing. But I, during one of my last stint of that, I did a vision board, and my new apartment was so small I had to, like, just put it in the closet, and I would pull it out every once in a while, and I'd go, oh my god, that's happened. Oh my god, that's happened. But I didn't realize I should have put a victory board, and so now we should all have almost like a book. It opens up and you could, oh, you're great. So okay, so okay, okay, this is so good. The amount of be it till you see it you've had then you had a be it till you see it to become Tia. That is something I don't think we ever give people credit for. I'm sure there's so many people are like, oh, look at her. Now she got out, and now she's this, you know, spokesperson, who's just like, charging up and trying to call these people out, but there was 10-plus years of you becoming you.  

Tia Levings 17:25  

Yeah, it's very important. I was a shocked, broken mess in 2007 when I escaped, and that was a time when there wasn't the same amount of resource trauma, informed resources didn't really exist yet. Language didn't exist. I certainly wasn't in a habit of accurately naming my experiences. So I had to learn how to call what happened to me by its actual name. I had to learn how to externalize the story with honesty and stop putting like rose-colored glasses on and daydreams and idealism. I had to stop protecting so that I could be honest from the page. That's one of the things you see reflected in my book, is that I speak very plainly about really hard things. That's the reflection of being able to say what happened to me in no nonsense terms, that was a growth step. And so all of that together builds to somebody who has a voice and has learned how to use it. It's not something I had. In 2007 I couldn't have ordered a pizza because I stuttered and stammered too badly to have a conversation with a stranger without so much anxiety that I would have just shut down. And today I can do an interview like this. That all took practice. Like, right now, I'm practicing because I want to be able to do Tiktok lives. And I've never gone live on Tiktok before, two days ago. So I'm practicing in five minute increments on Tiktok. It's that kind of like little have a vision of where I want to be and I want to, I need to practice the mechanics of it, and so I give myself time to practice and envision and all of that. But there's also a lot of grief work involved in that. I don't want to gloss over the grief work, because being able to envision what I want for Tia meant I had to first contend with what it cost me. I can't just envision myself back to 20 and start over. I have to have a new vision for Tia at 50. What does Tia at 50 look like, and what can she do with what she's been given? 

Lesley Logan 19:14  

Oh, my God, you're 50.

Tia Levings 19:15  

I am. 

Lesley Logan 19:16  

Oh my, gorgeous. Anyways, I know because that's the other thing I don't think people even give themselves credit for. They like leave the job, they leave the relationship, or they leave the religion, and then they don't realize that there is a grief process, because you are grieving what was, what you lost in doing that, what, you can't get time back? I can't imagine you going through all the things you went through in trying to heal yourself and also be a parent to your beautiful children. And so, because we have so many moms who listen when you have a baby and you didn't even have them at the hospital, you had your first at home. I still, somehow, they still insert mom guilt, somehow it comes in. It's not, it's like, so how, what did you have to tell yourself to go through that? Because you had to also give yourself permission to take care of you so that you could take care of them. 

Tia Levings 20:09  

Yeah. So during the years that I was healing, I was raising four children and also going through a vicious divorce and custody investigations. And, you know, it wasn't pretty, it wasn't bad. I just saw it ends with us, and I got so angry because she hands over, in the movie, this is a spoiler, in the movie, she hands her newborn to her abuser and says, I would like a divorce, and no mom from abuse is going to, number one, put her newborn in the father's hands and give him potentially volatile news, that's not going to happen. But also he's like, oh yeah, I think we should, oh yeah, I agree with you. Thank you. No abuser says that. That is not what it's like to leave domestic abuse. So I had a big process to go through, and I had children to raise and life to change, and I had been, you know, always resisting the internal fundamentalism in our home in their early childhood and try to raise them the way that I wanted to. But it was a different scenario when I had teenagers and I didn't have fundamentalism, telling me I had to churn out this cookie-cutter. So it was kind of wild west in some regards. I had a second husband during those years. We had that to contend with. And so there was a lot, there was a lot happening. And just like knowing what TIA is, isn't, it was a question. It was, still a question, I hope it's always a question. The only thing I promised myself was that everything that I'd been through had already taken enough time. It had already taken my life. It took my past. It took my childhood. It took my children's childhood. It took my virginity. It took all the glossy imagery that they promised and never delivered on. It was not going to get my present and it was not going to get my future, because that was the only thing I had control over. So that was my promise to myself, was it changes from here on out. 

Lesley Logan 21:47  

Yeah, thank you for bringing up that movie. I haven't seen it. I saw your post on it, and then I saw, like, people are, like, backlashing up, like, lively, and they're trying to figure out why. And I'm like, I don't think it's any of these reasons. I think what people aren't saying is what they can't always articulate what you did so well, just like, this is unbelievable. This is not how it works. And they didn't have anyone who got experience with it on that movie. Because I just think that you would really, yeah, so, but that's a different episode. Okay, so here's the thing that I find fascinating about you, and I'm so grateful for you, because you're putting towards the things like, I like, even though I grew up somewhat in my, I don't think I ever there's parts of me I watch Tiny Happy People with you in it. I was like, oh, I do think my parents got that book at some point. We were never on the blanket, but we were spanked sometimes. I was like, this is because God loves you. And like, I was, so there's some interesting things that I think my parents tried out and then also let go of because they were very much into football. And my grandparents' version of church was watching, oh, my god, I can't think of it right now, but it's like a Sunday night prayer movie with angels. It's not coming to my mind, but like. 

Tia Levings 22:52  

Touched by an Angel? 

Lesley Logan 22:53  

Touched by an Angel. Yes, we watched every Sunday. My grandma's like, this is church, we're going. So I had some outside influence I think that really kept my life away from that. But, so you, but you have now, because you can, you can pinpoint these things, what I find so fascinating is that you are spending time trying to help people understand what fundamentalism is, what we're looking at here. And I, one, commend you, and I'm grateful for you. But two, and I'm also wondering like, why are you doing that? 

Tia Levings 23:21  

Because somewhere around 2015, yeah, I think it was 2015, I realized that everything I'd run away from, and then I escaped and with the risk of my life and losing everything and leaving everything behind, all of that was coming from my country, and there was be no, there was no hide and be quiet and be anonymous about it anymore. It was you need, you have a story to tell. You know what it's like to live in that America because you lived in that America, being the only people who can tell what it's like to live in Project 2025, or the Christian patriarchy, to that extreme, is somebody who's lived it and but there's not very many people who can talk about it. They are, if they survived at all, if they got out, they haven't done the work to tell the story without re-traumatizing themselves, they haven't, don't necessarily, have the same talents and gifts for clarity or for being able to write or being able to put themselves out there. And so I knew I'm like, well, there's a handful of people who can do this, and I'm one of them, and I have a responsibility to tell the story and to get the workout. The situation has only intensified as I made that decision. My book is timely and we knew that two years ago, we knew that four years ago, and it just keeps getting more timely. And I'm like, please read it before the election. 

Lesley Logan 24:35  

I know, that's why I posted today, because I was like, I don't think I get this I want, I'm gonna try get this episode out for the election. But I was like, how can I get this book in everyone's hands because what kills me is that people continue to say on any post about Project 2025, oh, Trump's doesn't know anything about this. And I am like, okay, because there's a picture of him with the, like, you want to just go, you want to shake people. You're like, what are you doing? We can't shake them, that would be abuse. But your book is so timely. And also you can spot things and almost, in a way, translate, because it is all English. It's just that it's a different worldview. So it's a different language, and you can translate it. For those of us who are going, what is going on and what does this actually mean? 

Tia Levings 25:18  

Even with Project 2025, the mechanics of it matter. So Trump not only knows about it, but he's president because of it. The Heritage Foundation, you might remember this, there was a push in the first Trump election, in the, in that election cycle. Two, they didn't like him, the Evangelicals didn't like him, and they wanted to pick someone like Ted Cruz or Chris Christie. And there was this debate over who's going to be the Republican candidate, and Trump was popular, but not so much with evangelical voters, more with the MAGA crowd. Then all of a sudden, boom, Jerry Falwell Jr. and Franklin Graham endorse him, and it's like this pivot. Everyone's like, what we're endorsing Trump now? The reason why they did that was because they're involved with the Heritage Foundation and the architect of Project 2025. Project 2025 founders and architects decided that a popular president could get their Supreme Court justices in and can get their legislation through. So they went with the most popular president and put him in office as a figurehead. He's there because of them. So it is bigger than him. It is ludicrous that he would pretend that he doesn't know about it when 80% of his administration was staff appointees from those organizations, it was 110 conservative organizations. And so that's why it also will outlast him if they swap him with another candidate, for example, Vance, or anyone else like him, if they're endorsed by the founders of Project 2025, we are in the same boat and that's what lands us with this legislation, with the Supreme Court appointees we've had, and with Speaker of the House, Johnson, like that kind of trend. 

Lesley Logan 26:52  

I know that's the thing that so, concern's the wrong word, sometimes you're just like, okay, how, it's, you start to go, how do you take a group, this is such a huge group of people, and if we escape one at a time, like Tia, you escaped, we're going to be in this forever. Obviously, you're sharing these amazing things that are helping us understand it. How do you see a possibility for us to, I don't, I don't want to say, break the spell, but help them see that I feel like they don't realize they're being used, and that, I think pisses me off the most, but they're being used, and that 

Tia Levings 27:24  

They're being (inaudible) not wrong about that. They're under mind control. They're under a spell. We know that in our bodies, you know we can feel that in our bodies. What I do about it is I choose the other way. I choose light, I choose life. I choose energy and progress. I want humanity to continue evolving and progressing as a society, not going back to puritanical times. There is a reason why we're not Puritans anymore, like, many reasons. We like progress and technology and goodness and education and rights. There's, our society moved forward because we don't want to be like The Scarlet Letter and Nathaniel Hawthorn and you know, all of, all of the things that were true in the 1500s. We choose life. So I choose life. I choose to go forward. That means I choose political ideologies and groups that maybe I don't agree with 100% but they're moving in the right direction. They're protecting my agency to continue to vote. I wasn't allowed to vote in Christian patriarchy. We will lose our right to vote in Christian patriarchy. I don't want that, so I vote for people who protect my right to vote. That makes sense? 

Lesley Logan 28:25  

Yeah, no, it totally does. With all this stuff where you have to kind of like, especially right now, especially in the time that we're in, guys, I think we're 74 days out from when we're recording this. How are you protecting, so how are you protecting yourself? Because every day you have to look at this crap and translate it for the rest of us, it really, absolutely, is like a touch point of my day to see what you're okay, I'm not crazy. This is what I'm seeing. This is very helpful. And, oh, this is why it's going on. So you are definitely helping so many people who are trying to figure out what they're seeing, right? But how are you protecting yourself? And I guess, continue to be it till you see it as being Tia? 

Tia Levings 29:00  

Yeah. So Tia needs a lot of time to sit on the floor. I need time to be unplugged. I need time to stretch and move and get sunshine and walk. I'm really clear on my boundaries, and I use them every day. I also like a good, flexible boundary, not a rigid one. So that means sometimes I take a little step back and then take a few days off. I'm fortunate that my, I mean, it's the twisted curse of content that I make, it's still really timely and relevant, which allows me to repurpose older content sometimes when I need to take a little break from always diving into the most current issue. I'm also really grateful that there are so many other voices joining this that I'm not the only one out there. There's a lot of creators that all have their own strengths for explaining things, interpreting things, and sometimes there's a current event that'll come up, and I'll just like, I'm sitting this one out. I've got the middle of (inaudible) book release, or I've got something else, let the others carry it, and they do. And I know that we're not like, putting our heads together and deciding that, but I know that we're all doing that. We're all aware that this is a movement, and it's a counter-movement of intelligence and love and strength, and sometimes we need to set it out. It's also, interestingly enough, many of us are introverted, and so I noticed that you do what we can do, and then we understand that that's where our limit is, and I go take care of my needs, like my nervous system regulation is my top priority. So that's what I mean when I say I need to go sit on the floor. If I'm feeling overwhelmed or tired or something, I'll just sit down, and let the planet support me, and let everything, like all the energy fields, just kind of come down and the energy drop. 

Lesley Logan 30:35  

Thank you for sharing that I think so many people here need to hear like you, to have gone what you went through, and also to be so aware of what you need, that is a superpower, because there are so many people here who haven't gone through that journey, who do not know how to sit down. 

Tia Levings 30:51  

Right and we're caught in this new cycle full of urgency, and my promise to myself, one of many, but one of them is that I resist urgency. I want a life that resists urgency. So if someone's prodding me to hurry or push or forcing me to do something, I'll go the other way, just to spite them, because I'm not going. I was like, when I was a toddler, I would sit down. My tantrum style was to sit down and throw a fit and I think, oh, she just knew what she was doing. She just knew. No, no, I'm not going in there. No, you can't make me. Channel my inner two-year-old a little bit.

Lesley Logan 31:22  

Yeah. Oh my gosh. I think you mentioned that in your book, and you mentioned you have a second book. So I feel like I don't, you probably can't talk too much about it, but did you always know you were gonna write the second book? Did it come through after this first one was finished? Do we get to have more Tia? Like, more?

Tia Levings 31:39  

It's called the soul of healing, and it's how I healed and how you can, too. It's a survivor's guide to do the thing that I did, because that's the follow up question I always get, and why we're having this interview. You did this, you went through this big story, and you put yourself back together, and that's what's fascinating. It's not, so, just a parade of the bad things that happened to me. We've all had hard, bad experiences. But it's what I was able to do with it that I'm able to move forward and do more things as a whole person. I don't consider myself broken anymore. I don't consider myself scarred. I consider myself whole. And to get there, I did some things that, I did everything that healing had to offer. So I was like, this really is a second book. It was, this book would have been way too much for that. So it sold really well, really quickly, in preorders. And that meant I was given the opportunity to sell the next one so close, on the heels of it. So The Soul of Healing comes out in 2025, probably in the summer, early fall. 

Lesley Logan 32:38  

Great. We don't have to wait because, like, too long, because, like, I already knew I was gonna buy a year ago. I already knew it was a deal. And let's just say, I think maybe the hard conversation is like a lot of us are hoping that come this election, that things will go the way joy is presenting itself, and then we'll just move on. And can you give, be the bearer of bad news, but the bearer of honesty, which is, what if they lose, hopefully they lose, what can we expect? Maybe, you're not a future teller, but do they just keep going? Because that means they just do. They've had 50 years of trying, so what do you see? 

Tia Levings 33:14  

I think that if they lose, which I which I ardently hope they do. Because it's terrifying if they win, if they lose, that we'll see a large chunk of people quietly awaken when their disillusionment falls away, when they see the emperor has no clothes. It gets contagious, becomes contagious, and so I think we will have societal change. There will always be a core of fundamentalism. You know, running through the tradwife movement is massive, and it is part of this. Those are people who are not going to like spin on a dime because it's November and the election went one way that I don't think they're the majority. So I think that the more we move forward, the more we crowd out antiquated ideas that don't bear good fruit. And generations, I have a lot of hope in generations, this new rising Gen X and below. I've always had technology. They have access to more psychological information than any other generation in all of humanity. I have hope for that. I think that's going to take us optimistic places.

Lesley Logan 34:17  

Yeah, I do. I believe. I believe it too. I hope for that. Okay, I mean, I just want to spend all I just want to hang out with you. So, just so you know, I'm coming through Georgia, can we have coffee? We're gonna take a quick break, and then we're gonna come out and find how people can find you, follow you, get your book, and then your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 34:37  

All right, Tia, where do you like to hang out? You mentioned TikTok lives? Where can people just absorb as much of your amazingness? And where can they buy your books? 

Tia Levings 34:45  

Yeah, I'm on every social platform except for Twitter. Don't do Elon. I'm at @TiaLevingswriter on all of those. I hang out on Instagram the most, and I do have a private readers group if you want to do book discussion and help me launch my books, it's AWTW readers, it's free, it's just private, so that we can talk about stuff, and I might have my substack, TiaLevings.substack.com, which is the anti-fundamentalist, where I share an active deconstruction process in our headlines, family news, current events, and we'll also what I'm deconstructing personally now, and I'm on TikTok. Like I said, I'm trying new things. I've always been unafraid of technology. I want to learn how to do it, but it's really just enough time and bandwidth things. So we'll see what happens there. I just realized I was feeling a little intimidated by a process, and I wanted to deal with that, so that's why I'm doing that. 

Lesley Logan 35:36  

Thank you for, that's a great little, like, yeah, we for (inaudible) why don't we explore wine and see what's going on? You don't have to, but you can just at least understand it. Okay, you've given us so much and, oh, by the way, you have, I believe you have a freebie on, like, the fundies thing as well. If you're in a fundamentalist situation, you're like, unclear. If your family is like, you have that as well in your sites as well. 

Tia Levings 35:57  

Yeah, if you go to tialevings.com I have tons of resources on there, and one of them is the Fundie Cheatsheet. You'll get it if you sign up for my emails and it, it gives you all like the insider terms of what I'm talking about, where I'm from, and also peaks to see where it's going. 

Lesley Logan 36:11  

Yeah. Okay, super cool. Okay, so bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps to be it till we see it. What do you have for us? 

Tia Levings 36:19  

Oh my goodness, these were hard to narrow down. My bold, my bold steps, okay, so spend time with yourself is the number one. Like tune out all the noise. Learn how to sit in silence. Learn how to move in walk. I do this when I'm walking a lot, and I try to become my own best friend. I pay attention to my nerves and what's coming up in my body, and I honor that, even if I don't have language for it. And then I spend a lot of time envisioning. I don't believe you can become something with intention unless you can see it. So I need to be able to see it. So I do vision boarding my journaling. I've practiced many times in the mirror being able to speak or smile or do the things. So whatever it is I'm trying to be. I try to really spend time envisioning what it's like to live a daily, ordinary life as that person, and then make those changes as I go. I don't know if those are beady enough for you (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 37:13  

They are. They're brilliant, they're brilliant, they're wonderful. Yes, they're as amazing, more amazing. I thought they'd be from you. Just, yeah, you should know, you probably do already, because you've done so much work, but you're a gorgeous, incredible, smart human who is so generous. And I'm just so grateful that we got to have this moment and that you took time out of your busy promotion of your amazing, bestselling book, because it's really important to me, and I think every one of my listeners needs to hear it so listeners needs to hear it. So thank you. So you all are going to get the book if you haven't gotten already, because I told you to.

Tia Levings 37:48  

Thank you so much. Thank you.

Lesley Logan 37:49  

Oh, are you kidding? Like, I have only ever self-published and I did a terrible job of it, and that's so hard. Well, first of all, first of all, I didn't know you should have an audience first. So there's that. It's still, people still get it, and it's such a niche book anyways. But I have had so many friends who written books, so many people who've been on this it is so hard to authentically get on the bestseller list. It is very easy, if you're a dick on the side that we won't discuss, to have your family buy a bunch of books for you or your friends or a group you know, but you for you and other authors like you, authentically getting there because single people bought a book and told their friends about it. So you, just like incredible achievement, and I hope you continue to celebrate. 

Lesley Logan 38:35  

Thank you again for being here. You guys, how do you use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Tia and tag the Be It Pod and get her book for your friends, because this, for us to overcome what is actually trying to happen, and not just the US and many, many places where they're trying to control women, specifically, we have to be educated on what it looks like so that we can make sure it doesn't happen. Because we can be it till we see it in the ways we want to be and the life we want to have and we want a vision. So thank you, Tia, so much for being here. Until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 39:01  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 39:45  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 39:50  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. 

Brad Crowell 39:54  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. 

Lesley Logan 40:01  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. 

Brad Crowell 40:04  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Grounding yourself in moments of change can provide the strength to move forward. It's Friday, and Lesley shares inspiring wins from the Be It community, focusing on embracing change and facing fears head-on. Celebrate Sonia's win and Lesley's intentionality behind her latest project, and discover how celebrating each step of your journey, even when it’s scary, can lead to meaningful transformation.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? It's our last Friday of October. Oh my gosh, here we are. That means there's, like, what? Eight Fridays left of this year? Can you? Ah, it's going too fast. It's going too fast. So let's get into it. We got a few wins from Sonia Ahmed and I want to just like this will be the wins for today, because this girl has been consistently kicking some ass, and I don't know that I'm doing the order that her wins happened, but she also made a very big move this year. She's an agency member some of my eLevate grads, and I think celebrating her at this time is a really good thing. And then we'll do one of my wins, I remember we like to share your win. So Sonia said I've put a challenging month behind me. Through those challenges, I found some clarity on how I want to take my business forward. You know when you've heard it 20 times, well, I feel like I've just started to finally things into action. Thanks to talks with LL and charging my worth for the new part of my business and I feel good about it. I wrote my first article with the support of from the amazing Roxy and Rachel Piper. Roxy Menzies was on the pod, by the way, and she's a coach inside agency so is Rachel Piper, had a fabulous Thai massage with a girlfriend today, followed by a coffee catch up, spending quality time with close friends during the week despite a very busy schedule. Another win from Sonia. This is from the summer. Presented at the OPC summer camp workshop, exhilarating, petrifying and so much fun all at once. Loved it. Completely big admin steps towards moving across the seas, including booking our one way tickets. We accepted an offer on our home, daughter has only one exam left out of 25, went on for the most fabulous trip to Croatia with my closest girlfriends in an absolute blast. I can do hard stuff all my own and I'm able to achieve what I've put my mind to. I grew up looking to others to lead the way, not believing myself. I'm finally seeing that I am capable and can be the leader of my own path. I mean, Sonia, I think you just wrote the mantra for today and we have one more from her. So here we go. I'm not even sure how to sum this up, but I wanted to make a point of turning it into my wins. Thursday was my last day for my business operating in the UK. It hasn't quite hit me yet. I'm used to being busy and filling my days with clients or anything relating to my biz, so next week will feel strange, but I also feel I also welcome this new chapter, and it is a much needed break from my teaching. As the final days with my clients went by, I have my heartfelt thank yous and a few little gifts along the way from people. The best part is what clients wrote in their cards. It was so special to me and means more than any material thing anyone could give me. However, I will thoroughly enjoy the vintage moet from my poshest client. It made me realize how much we impact people's lives, how our time, expertise and energy has such a positive effect. So they can do better, live more, be happier, feel good, and they know they need it in their lives to maintain that feeling, has given me a fresh perspective, and now I cannot wait to start my new life in Australia. I don't doubt there will be many wobbles along the way, but I trust that anything worth doing isn't easy, will take time to build trust in peoples again, but I know now, thanks to all of you, that I can do it. So thanks agency family for being so goddamn awesome for doing what you do. 

Lesley Logan 3:53  

So you guys, I don't know if you have a big move happening this year or next year, or maybe just like a big life change, but I hope that Sonia's wins really help give you in some inspiration that you can do hard things, and there are scary things, but also you're going to be able to do it. And she's showing these as wins. And I think what if we all celebrated some of the things we're scared of a little bit more, the things that like, oh, I'm really scared about this. I'm going to celebrate this as a win. I am facing something I'm scared of. So thank you, Sonia, and we can't even wait to start hearing your wins out of Australia. 

Lesley Logan 4:28  

All right, now for one of my wins, I said it last week that randomly, I think intentionality is going to be the theme of the month for my wins, but I am really proud in celebrating how intentional I am being for the sixth deck, uh, flash cards, so it's the accessories deck. I've been really nervous for this deck. I've been, you know, not stalling, because I'm still on track to do it. Although there was a time when we thought I could do two decks a year, that stat stopped after the Cadillac deck. So that was three decks ago. But been a little nervous, because this deck has a lot of different things in it, and it's not exercises I do all the time, and part of me wanted to procrastinate on this deck a little bit longer, and we scheduled the photo shoot, and I was going to be gone for three weeks of the six weeks before the shoot, and that could be really scary. It's like, am I gonna be ready? And I'm not talking photo shoot ready, like how I look. I'm talking about the strength in stamina and stability to do the exercise that's ready, because these exercises are really difficult to do, and you need to be ready for them to take a photo shoot in them, and so but what I'm really proud of is I made a list of all the exercises for this deck that I could do while I was on my retreat, and while I was in Thailand, while I was on a plane, even, like, what could I do so I could keep those in my body, so that when I got back, I could focus on the other exercises that I couldn't do when I was on the road, the ones where the accessories weren't always an option, and I'm just celebrating that I did it. I did it. I did what I said I was gonna do. I did the best I could. Was it perfect? No, but I did it. And I'm really celebrating how proud I am about the intentionality I have about this final deck. It's a beast, it's unique, it's different, and I can't wait to see it come to fruition. That'll be a year from now, but maybe not a full year from now, but it feels like it'll be about at least nine months from now. So if you have something you're working on, and you're in the middle and you're in process, and you're being intentional, you want to celebrate that, because you don't want to wait until the thing is over to celebrate all the efforting you did to get there, just like Sonia. So what I, don't you love how thing works out? Just works out. So you guys, what are you going to celebrate in your life? We want to know. Send in to the Be It pod so that we can celebrate you. You'll hear it on a podcast, and who knows, it might be on a day that you need to hear it. 

Lesley Logan 6:51  

All right, here is your mantra. There is something in this world that only I can do. That is why I'm here. There is something in this world that only I can do and that is why I'm here. There is something this world that only I can do, and that is why I'm here. All right, my amazing listener, you are freaking awesome. I adore you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 7:16  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 7:59  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:03  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:08  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:15  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 8:18  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Explore how trauma shapes our relationship with food and coping mechanisms. In this episode, Lesley and Brad dive into conversation with trauma-informed emotional eating coach, Lisa Schlosberg. Lisa shares her holistic approach to healing disordered eating and emotional challenges by addressing the underlying root cause that often shapes our coping mechanisms. Tune in to discover how working through discomfort can lead to lasting changes in your unhealthy habits.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How restrictive diets can reinforce unhealthy coping mechanisms.
• The importance of trauma-informed approach to healing emotional eating.
• Techniques to navigate discomfort without compromising your sense of safety.
• Strategies to replace harmful eating patterns with healthier, supportive habits.
• Steps to reconnect with your most resourceful and authentic self.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
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• Lisa Schlosberg TikTok
• Lisa Schlosberg YouTube
• Out of the Cave Podcast
• Ep. 5 ft. Amy Ledin

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

So many women are so obsessed with either eating or not eating, or what they look like and how they're eating or not eating is going to help them that they are not being it until they see it because their brain is so hyper-focused on this thing that is taking away their brain space. 

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:59  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the eye-opening convo I have with Lisa Schlosberg in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you missed out. We had a lot of fun. She's great. (inaudible) I know. I know. I, also, I was on her podcast, and she has the most amazing intuitive I thought she was like fucking followed me around high school and knew too much about me. It was amazing. It's so good. 

Lesley Logan 1:25  

Okay, today is Thursday, October 24th and it is World Polio Day. So, you guys, a lot of people think that Polio is gone, but it is not gone. It's gone in a lot of places where the vaccine was very much welcomed, but there are some places that haven't had the vaccine, or there's some people who have been concerned about vaccinations, but there's no cure for polio. The only way to prevent you getting Polio is to have the vaccine. 

Brad Crowell 1:51  

Literally. My uncle is in his 80s and he's had polio since his 40s, so he literally got it in his 40s which is crazy. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

Yeah, he survived. 

Brad Crowell 2:02  

Yeah, he and he didn't let it stop him. He's a badass, but still, that sucks. 

Lesley Logan 2:06  

I'm pretty sure Mia Farrow had polio and survived it and it was really rare. I watched the whole documentary on it. Anyway, and then she went around the world trying to help out with preventing polio. So, you guys, let me tell you a little more about this day. But World Polio Day is now annually observed on October 24th. This day commemorates global efforts towards a polio-free future as well as selfless sacrifices of those working on the front line of the battle to eradicate polio from every corner of the world. Polio is contagious through the ease with which the polio virus spreads. Although the virus is now exceedingly rare because of modern interventions, it can impair the brain regions that govern respiration, resulting in death. Polio has no recognized therapy, can only be avoided through vaccination. So make sure that people around you and wherever you live in this world are aware, because we know that we have people living who listen to this in many countries and so, you know. 

Brad Crowell 2:54  

Well, yeah, I mean, they just sent in a bunch of peacekeepers to vaccinate kids in the war zone over in the Middle East right now. Also, there was cases in 2022 in New York State from people who are, you know, from someone who (inaudible) vaccine, so. 

Lesley Logan 3:10  

And there's a lot of different reasons. We don't need to get a debate on this, but we're going to tell you that the science says on this. And if you are able to, you should, should understand what you're looking at, and then make sure that, if you feel really strongly about this, support the efforts of those people who are going around the world to help people in places where it has not been eradicated. So yeah, it's World Polio Day. 

Brad Crowell 3:31  

It's World Polio Day. 

Lesley Logan 3:32  

All right, you guys, we are back from Cambodia. We are gearing up for our next couple of amazing weeks, and we've got a lot going on, but you can still come join us in Cambodia, if you're like, oh my god, I had so much FOMO. I looked at Lesley's Instagram, and this, everything looks so beautiful, and I want to go there. You can, you can come in February. So go to crowsnestretreats.com do snag one of the last few spots. I'm going to be in Arizona in a couple weeks, and I'm gonna come home, and I'm gonna be in LA for a week because we're doing the Accessories Deck photo shoot. We're doing the photo shoot earlier because the team hated that we did it later last time. So we're doing it earlier, which means I have to be on top of my my strength game to being able to do these photos, because we don't even have one of the pieces of equipment that I'm doing things on. So that's why I'm gonna be in LA all week, truly cramming. Truly cramming. So you want to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. If the accessories deck is something you're interested in.

Brad Crowell 4:26  

What is going to be included in the Accessories Deck? 

Lesley Logan 4:28  

So there's a marble exercise, which you obviously you don't have to go buy a Pilates marble. You can just use marble. There's towel exercises. You can use a dish towel. There's toe corrector exercises. You can actually use rubber bands. There are push-up devices. We are going to actually figure out how to make a pair of those with PVC pipes, so that we can teach you how to do this. Because the beautiful wood ones are hand spun wood. And you know what they originally were, and we have these babe, you know, those wooden weights, so that's what they originally were. He took those wooden weights and drilled a hole into and make a base. And so now they just make these beautiful hand-spun wood and that's why they're like $700. 

Brad Crowell 5:08  

Yeah, they're not cheap. 

Lesley Logan 5:08  

We're gonna show you how make PVC ones. We got to work on that still. But at any rate, we'll have a foot corrector. You can't make that. You have to get that. We have the Ped-O-Pul. That one people, like I said (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 5:18  

You can have it made but it's complicated. 

Lesley Logan 5:20  

It's complicated. It really depends on if you have access to the length of the metal. But it's also not that expensive. What else we're gonna have? We made two by four. You can make that. Sandbag. You can make that. So my goal is that more than 50% of this deck you can make, I have to count if I can get it to like 70% you can make, and then the rest is just these, like three random pieces. I'm so, so proud of myself. So that's what's in the Accessories Deck. It's all the tools that help you build yourself up to exercises you can't do yet. 

Brad Crowell 5:43  

Yeah, love it. Well, next up. If you are a Pilates studio owner or home studio owner or you're renting space, come join me for a free webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. I'm going to be helping you hurdle how do you increase your income? We're going to be covering how to double your income over the next 12 months. We're going to basically be talking about three big secrets that Lesley and I have figured out after we've coached more than 2000 fitness businesses just like yours, literally, just like ours. I mean, this is something that we had to go through, and then we've been able to help people through and we know that we can help you through this as well, where it is absolutely possible for you to instead of barely keeping your head above water, you can actually make the money that you need to make so that you can take a deep breath and you can actually enjoy running your own business. I know that it can be super stressful, and this webinar will help you along that path, and we'd love to have you come join us for free. So join me by going to prfit.biz/accelerator. That is profit without the O, prfit.biz/accelerator. And then after that, come join Lesley and I on the road. We're going to be driving around the country during the winter. We're leaving at the beginning of December. We are going to be driving all the way to the East Coast, all the way up to Maine, and then all the way down to Florida, Miami, and then back along through the South, and we're going to be doing pop-up classes, over 8000 miles, 23 locations, almost 50 events. It's going to be amazing. We'd love to come meet you in person. So if you're going to be traveling for the holidays, maybe it lines up. 

Lesley Logan 7:15  

We might be where you are. 

Brad Crowell 7:16  

Yeah, come hang out. Go to opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour for tickets and merch. We got shirts. We got fun shirts. You get to come meet our pups, and it's gonna be a great time. We can't wait to meet you. So, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 7:29  

All right, before we go any further, we do have an audience question. This one was from, don't mention my name. Anonymous. That's fair. Yeah, you can write in too and say, hey, love you. Please don't mention my name, but here's my question. Question is this, Hey Lesley, I read an article you wrote about running retreats. Would you feel comfortable if I asked a few questions? I recently was asked by my employer to help teach at our retreat. I had flights and accommodations paid for. Do you ever run retreats with employees (instructors)? And do you pay them for their role?

My role far exceeded just being a Pilates instructor at the retreat, and I’m struggling to move past that. I feel like I should ask for compensation but I also want to be fair. Thanks for your time.

Lesley Logan 8:16  

I love the inflection on this question. Way to go, babe. You did a great job. You could you could read more questions. Nailed it. Yeah. So I don't answer questions like this in DM, so I answer them here, unless you are an agency or a member or agency on demand member, that's where we answer questions. 

Brad Crowell 8:30  

Yeah. So thanks for asking the question. 

Lesley Logan 8:32  

And also, I just want to say why I would never get him work done. The amount of questions we get asked that's why we do them here. For those who are non-members and I really appreciate that you trust us with this answer. So here's the deal. The mistake was made in that I can't decide because you said our retreat, but I can't decide as if you two designed this retreat together and then, but because you work as an employee, that there was a different compensation. So I can't decide that. 

Brad Crowell 8:55  

That's not how I took it. I took it as if she's hired as at the studio, as a teacher. 

Lesley Logan 8:59  

Yeah, so, and that's just as an employee. So then I was like, well, are you salaried? Do you have like, you always work 20 hours a week, and they pay you a salary. So no matter how much you work, you're paid. 

Brad Crowell 9:09  

Somehow I find that unlikely. 

Lesley Logan 9:11  

Okay, but do you see how, like, this is why.

Brad Crowell 9:13  

There are a lot of it. There's a lot of potential caveats here (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 9:17  

So let's just say you are paid hourly. This was their retreat. 

Brad Crowell 9:20  

They probably pay, they pay based on how much you teach at your studio. That's typical.

Lesley Logan 9:25  

And you were paid by the class, or paid by the hour, whatever it is. And then they sold this retreat and they're bringing you on to teach the classes. What they should have done is said, we are going to pay for your flights and accommodations in exchange for you to teach at this retreat, because that is actually quite normal. Now, you can get mad at me and say, we're not paying someone for their time or (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 9:46  

But I think that's not the question. So it seems like it was more than just teaching at the retreat, as if that was the understanding then I think that's fair. 

Lesley Logan 9:54  

Right. So this is another this is, so I'm not gonna, I'm not there yet. So, had the conversation been had, hey, Jessica, the people who are coming, they love you the most. We want you to be the one teaching the classes. So, this retreat is paid for and so your flights. All you have to do is teach the classes. By the way, this is how a lot of resorts work. A ton of resorts won't even pay for your flights. They'll just pay for your accommodations. 

Brad Crowell 10:19  

Your food and accommodations. 

Lesley Logan 10:20  

And you get to be at the resort, and you get to live at the resort for free, and eat for free, and work a couple hours a day in exchange for you teaching some classes. Now, obviously, as we get to that, your role far exceeded just teaching Pilates. I think you should actually have an honest conversation with them. 

Brad Crowell 10:39  

I totally agree.

Lesley Logan 10:40  

I think you should feel comfortable doing that and just saying, hey, you know, when we talked about X, my understanding was that you are going to pay for X, Y and Z, and I was going to do B and D. However, I think we can both agree that at the retreat, I actually was doing what, I was doing B and D and. 

Brad Crowell 10:57  

Probably client coordination, facilitating, making sure you're running around, prepping things, or go run an errand real quick.

Lesley Logan 11:04  

Yeah. And I would just say, like, I feel less comfortable with the agreement that we had, because I feel like I should have been paid for those extra roles, or those extra roles should have been something I was asked to do ahead of time.

Brad Crowell 11:18  

Yeah, because, you know, like, I understand this. If I'm going to show up to teach, then I probably have envisioned the rest of the retreat experience that I'm going to have and then to have that hijacked by, oh, can you be my, you know, executive assistant while I'm on the road, is frustrating. So I totally get that. I do think that it is reasonable to say, hey, something's been bothering me. I would love to sit down and talk with you about this. The way that it all unfolded at the retreat was not my expectation based on what we talked about before. 

Lesley Logan 11:50  

Yeah, but I would be really specific. What did you guys talk about? What was your understanding, and then what did you specifically do that was outside of that understanding? 

Brad Crowell 11:58  

Yeah, and it may be because you probably have a really close relationship with the studio owner or your employer, I mean, and it may be that you say, listen, I just really need to talk to you about this because I can't do it again that way next time. And if that's the extent of it, then you can tell them, you know, listen, I'm gonna let it go, but I have to have this problem. Or maybe the answer is, I need you to pay me for that. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

I think when you do this in person or at least over Zoom like you want facial, you want it, you want expressions there, you want to get a read, I would just say I need to get this off my chest, because it is making me uncomfortable here. And I just want to get your thoughts on it. And if they say, oh, this is what we agree to, and if they don't offer to immediately pay you, and if they like, go well, this is what we thought, you can just say okay, next time, I won't go under those conditions. You can say, I will teach, I will do this, but I won't do those other things. You have a right to say what you will or won't do. You can. If they agree to pay you, you can say thank you. But what I would just say is, like, really map out, be very specific, because if you are not, it doesn't go well. And everyone's like, what else did you, like, you know what I mean? I think you need to be really specific.

Brad Crowell 13:06  

And specific on the things that you didn't expect to be asked to do (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 13:10  

Yeah, so you also asked if I hire teachers for my retreats. I don't. And there's a few reasons for that. One, we sell the retreat as I'm the teacher. So there's that. We have brought people on our team to help us with retreats and it's very clear we're going to pay for X, Y and Z and you are going to have to do these roles at the retreat, and then the rest of the time is yours. So we brought our project manager last time, and she is a salaried employee, so therefore, you know, like that was just part of her work week. But we were also very clear, here's all the time you have off, here's all the things that you get to do, here's what we're paying for. 

Brad Crowell 13:49  

And she came with her husband, and her husband was like, put me to work, man, I'm here to hang and I'm here to help out. And I was like, okay, cool. But he volunteered and so, you know, instead of being volun-told, not fun. 

Lesley Logan 14:00  

Yes, it's not fun. And also, for anyone listening, this is why have conversations beforehand. You have to normalize talking about money and go what am I? What do you expect me to do here? What are your expectations of me on this retreat? Because it's very, it's very possible that they actually thought that you would be doing all the things you do at the studio. So, so this sounds like a miscommunication and also, employers, can you see how it's not cool to not be honest with your team members in like, what their expectations are? Like?

Brad Crowell 14:30  

Not even, I can't imagine that the employer was trying to pull a one, one-over, pull the wool over their eyes. I feel like this is just bad communication. 

Lesley Logan 14:38  

Bad communication. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. I agree with that completely. So here's the deal, we do have a course on how to create, sell and plan retreats. It's about 90 minutes. And I highly recommend that if you're wanting to do retreats. I also did a talk on Pilates anytime they asked me about marketing retreats and some things to think about. And so if you use LLogan, you'll get a 30-day trial and you can check out that course, and then you can buy our course, and it goes into much more detail about margins and how to plan things out. But I do not do joint retreats because the margins aren't really you have to sell even more people in it for the margins to be there. Retreats are not paid vacations to me, and when I do anything with anyone on my team, I am 100% doing my very best to make sure it is very clear. Here's what I expect of you, here's what you can expect of me. Now, does that? Is that perfect all the time? No. And that is where reflection is important, as the person who's hosting the thing, what could we've done better? And also trying to be a person where they can come to me and say, hey, I actually worked more than I anticipated. We also actually tell our people, you can only work X amount. We actually max it so that if they are running against a time clock, they don't run up the time clock before they talk to us. They can say, hey, I need more time to do this project and here's why. So, you know.

Brad Crowell 15:58  

Well, anyway, great question. Thanks for asking. That's a tough one. I love questions like that. 

Lesley Logan 16:02  

Fingers crossed. Let's see how it goes. 

Brad Crowell 16:04  

So if you have a question, just reach out. You know, text us at 310-905-5534 or you can hit us up on Instagram or YouTube or wherever, and we'd love to answer your question. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Lisa Schlosberg in just a second. 

Brad Crowell 16:21  

Okay let's talk about Lisa Schlosberg. Lisa is a trauma-informed, emotional eating coach, licensed social worker and former personal trainer. She now helps people struggling with their relationship with food, body image and eating habits, offering a holistic approach to healing. Lisa's personal journey of overcoming obesity and disordered eating deeply informs her work today. 

Lesley Logan 16:44  

So I don't like to do a lot of diet type things on here, but this is not about dieting. It's actually about emotional eating and disordered eating, and I really appreciate her approach to that, because she's not trying to get everyone to lose weight. We have friends who focus on macros, and everyone's just trying to lose weight, and she's not like that at all. She's really, like you said, holistic and trauma-informed about this kind of stuff and she is actually saying that a lot of times, people do a lot of things to restrict, like, you can't eat these things, you can't eat these things, and that actually, the restricting, can be a coping mechanism. So your food is a coping mechanism. That's why you're emotionally eating. And then by restricting food, that's a new coping mechanism so we're actually not solving any problems. And so she actually doesn't like to focus on restriction. She actually wants to get to the root of the cause. What is making you actually have these struggles with eating? And because if it wasn't eating, it would be something else. 

Brad Crowell 17:36  

She said for her, when she was going through her personal journey of weight loss, she had been eating as a coping mechanism to deal or hide or numb the thing, whatever the thing was. And she didn't get into the specifics, but the reality is, she just postponed dealing with the thing until later on in life, when she was finally willing to tackle that thing. She says it still came up. She still had to deal with it. It just, it was like a postponement.

Lesley Logan 18:06  

Amy Ledin, episode five, that is similar stories. She lost all the weight but didn't actually deal with the thing, and that's why it came back. And so she was like, I, where, she doesn't want to remove coping mechanism without offering something in return. So she says she is, with her trauma-informed way of doing things, and it doesn't have to be with her, but, like, if anything, you have a coping mechanism with what you can, have to think about is, I'm not going to just remove that. I have to actually have a life jacket so that I don't feel like I'm drowning as I'm trying to remove the coping (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 18:38  

Yeah, what she was talking about was the food, you know, like for her, the food was the life jacket. And so she said, a lot of people that come into work with her, actually one person specifically said, I signed up for your program, and then I immediately started binge eating, because I was afraid that when we started the program, you were going to take all my food away from me. So before I lost it all, I was going to have the last little bit that I possibly could. I remember the, when I quit smoking cigarettes, I smoked two packs the day I quit because I was like, this is the end of the cigarettes (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 19:10  

That might have helped you get, like, sick of them.

Brad Crowell 19:13  

Yeah. But she said no, actually, when you come through my program, I'm not taking your food away. That's not what we're doing here. We are trying to identify the thing that you're avoiding or the thing that you're numbing by doing the action that you're taking, whether that is eating or drinking or whatever. She shared a pretty powerful mantra. She said, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. Yeah, right, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. I'm gonna say one more time, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe, right? She explained that our animal, this is really interesting, she said, we're an animal, we're a spiritual being living in a 

Lesley Logan 19:48  

Animal's brain? 

Brad Crowell 19:49  

She said we're a spiritual being with a body that eats food, with an animal brain. And I was like, this is really amazing, the way that she said those four things I can't remember exactly how she said that. 

Lesley Logan 19:59  

Yeah, no, I think that's, I think you're pretty close. 

Brad Crowell 20:01  

She said our animal brain is designed to keep us safe and it resists change and new habits because what it knows today is keeping us we are currently safe. That's why we're uncomfortable. We're not unsafe. So our brain thinks today you're not dying or you're safe, right? 

Lesley Logan 20:19  

Well, also, people who have an emo, have a coping mechanism, which is food, the food makes them feel safe. And she is also saying it is okay to be uncomfortable. You have to tell yourself you're not unsafe. So you are uncomfortable, you're not on, you're not unsafe. 

Brad Crowell 20:33  

Yeah, and so, well, the point is that while you might logically know that binge eating isn't going to be beneficial in the long run, even the idea of changing from that which you know is detrimental for you in the long run, your brain is going to say, but in this moment, I'm safe, so we're just going to keep doing what we're doing. I don't want to change. Right? And so what she said is by having this mantra, I'm uncomfortable, but I'm not unsafe, she's slowly training her subconscious, her animal mind, brain, to begin to relinquish that control, that fear of making the change. And she said that well, first off, she says she interprets this stepping outside of her comfort zone as potentially life-threatening danger even when it might not be right. And she emphasized the importance of using conscious thought to remind ourselves that discomfort is survivable. So that's another one. While we're uncomfortable, we're not unsafe. Discomfort is survivable is like another way to look at that same sense, and she said we need to leverage the power of our conscious mind by saying, I know this is scary, I know this is uncomfortable, but we're not going to die here. We are going to breathe through this. I know this is scary, I know this is uncomfortable, but we're not going to die here. We're going to breathe through this. And if this were me, I probably would have to put that on, (inaudible) cards all over the place to just continuously remind myself. 

Lesley Logan 21:56  

I think you can do it for any coping mechanism. And so that's why I really like Lisa so much. And the other thing I want to say is, like so many women, are so obsessed with either eating or not eating, or what they look like, and how they're eating or not eating is going to help them that they are not being it until they see it, because their brain is so hyper-focused on this thing that is taking away their brain space. And so I really love that mantra. And I think you guys can use it for anything.

Brad Crowell 22:24  

Yeah, you know. And some people use Pilates as their coping mechanism, right? Because they can control it, and everything has to be perfect, and all this kind of a thing and then.

Lesley Logan 22:34  

And then they meet me and we take away the perfection, and I get to go, you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. And that's a hey, Jay said it ugly but not dangerous. 

Brad Crowell 22:42  

That's right. That's exactly right. Ugly Pilates is okay.

Lesley Logan 22:45  

Dangerous Pilates never.

Brad Crowell 22:46  

Dangerous Pilates never. That's exactly right. These are great. I really love these concepts. Really great things to chew on. Stick around. We'll be right back as we're gonna dig into the Be It Action Items in just a minute. 

Brad Crowell 22:57  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those, be it action items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Lisa Schlosberg? She said, step one, identify the person that you want to be. Who is that person that you want to be in quality, right? What is the energetic blueprint of this human being that you are aspiring to be? Focus on qualities like being brave or compassionate or patient, rather than surface-level traits like thin or muscular, strong or whatever. I can't remember her story actually about this now, but she, she said for her, it was about being brave, and she had to focus on being brave. And I, I thought that was really cool. It's a clever way to kind of flip the script here on this like, just, I think she was talking about the restriction concept, and how restriction can just be just as controlling as the binging. Yeah. Focus on qualities like being brave, compassionate and patient. Step two, what would that energetic blueprint of a human that you're aspiring to be, what would they do? So imagine the actions that the person that you are aspiring to become, what would they actually do? With that energy and those qualities, what would they do in the situation that you are in or you are trying to navigate? And finally, step three, how do I do that. Right? Consider how you can embody those actions today, right now. And what does it look like, you know? What does it look like for me?

Lesley Logan 24:23  

I love this because it's like, we all give our friends the best advice for the highest place of love and light. And then when we are talking to ourselves, like, I can't do that, but she's asking to, like, take up a different view of yourself and then plan it out. And then go, okay, now it's my turn. I'm gonna do it. 

Brad Crowell 24:37  

Yeah. And I would say this. I would pull out a piece of paper or a journal and I would write it down. And I would say write down step one, who do I want to be? Describe that person. You know? Who are they? What are the qualities of that person? What is that energetic blueprint? And then step two, write down, what would they do? And step three, how can I take a small step towards doing that today?

Lesley Logan 24:58  

All right, I. Love that. And then this.

Brad Crowell 25:00  

So what about you?

Lesley Logan 25:01  

Okay, so this is another thing you can put on a post it that you can repeat. So when you're facing a tough choice, she said ask yourself how do I want to show up in my life at this moment? So how do I want to show up in my life at this moment? And then she ex, she outsources the answer to her higher self, and she says what would the most resourceful version of me do right now? The most resourceful, I can't think of a better be it till you see it question, what would the most resourceful version of me do right now? And she said I connect to the highest, wisest, most resourceful version of me and have that kind of guidance. So if you were the most resourceful version of yourself with all the answers, and you're like, okay, I went to the person to ask for the advice, and it would just have to be the most resourceful version of you. Then you give yourself the best advice, and then you can go, you can solve that problem. I love it. I think it's great. 

Brad Crowell 25:51  

I love it. Awesome. 

Lesley Logan 25:52  

I can't, I mean it's a be it till you see it. So Lisa's so fun. I'm hoping we're gonna see her on tour, actually, she's gonna be at the Bushwick area, so that is really cool. And you know, whether or not I'm not saying everyone like that, you, you listening here have binge eating issues, but I do think we all have coping mechanisms. And I think you can insert your coping mechanism here when she's talking about it, and start to see, like, how am I doing? What am I doing? Why am I doing that? And then just make sure you find someone who's trauma-informed always to work with who understands. But Lisa's amazing. So thank you, Lisa. And are you guys gonna go listen to my story on her podcast? Out of the Cave?

Brad Crowell 26:26  

Oh yeah, Out of the Cave? Yeah, yeah, that's what it's called. 

Lesley Logan 26:29  

Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 26:31  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 26:32  

Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you gonna use these tips in your life? You know, send this to a friend who you think is struggling with this. You don't have to be given one. Give some advice list, you can do it, and then they'll hear that we told you to do that, so that's how it goes. But please do. That's how this podcast helps more and more people and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 26:48  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 26:51  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 27:33  

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Lesley Logan 27:38  

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Brad Crowell 27:43  

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Lesley Logan 27:50  

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Brad Crowell 27:53  

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Lisa Schlosberg, an emotional eating coach and licensed social worker, shares her journey from personal trainer to helping clients heal their relationship with food. She explores how trauma, stress, and emotional well-being shape eating habits, while offering actionable tips for overcoming food challenges, understanding trauma-informed care, and reclaiming your body. Tune in to learn how self-care and mindful eating can lead to transformative healing.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Lisa’s journey with emotional eating and her 150-pound weight loss.
• The impact of trauma and stress on your relationship with food.
• Tips for overcoming food obsession and disordered eating.
• The importance of creating safety and control in trauma-informed care.
• How to reconnect with your body through mindful eating.
• Why prioritizing self-care is essential for business owners and leaders.

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Lisa Schlosberg embodies the new paradigm of health and healing from a heart-centered lens. She empowers her clients and global community to use their struggles with food and body image as a path to rebuilding the mind-body connection so that they can access deeper authenticity, exercise personal power, and embody a life of freedom. Having lost and maintained 150 pounds for more than a decade by healing her relationship with food (through emotional healing, somatic experiencing, mindset shifts, and more), Lisa founded Out of the Cave, LLC., where she combines her comprehensive expertise as a Social Worker (LMSW), Certified Personal Trainer, Integrative Nutrition Holistic Health Coach, Yoga Teacher, and Public Speaker to guide emotional eaters and chronic dieters back to physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual alignment. Over the last few years, Lisa’s signature 14-week online group coaching program has served more than 200 people over 10 countries through the transformational process of healing, inspiring a revolution in mind-body-soul health and helping thousands return to wholeness.

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Episode Transcript:

Lisa Schlosberg 0:00  

We're not going for fearless. We're going for brave. We're going for courageous. That I can do. So feel the fear and do it anyway. That's something I can do.

Lesley Logan 0:09  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:51  

Hi, Be It, babe. You are gonna love our guest today. She is freaking phenomenal. I just, I like, find myself just like, listening to her and like, just, oh, it's my turn. It's my turn to talk. It's my turn to say something. I don't want to have Be It Till You See It be about weight loss, but not talking about that sometimes what we don't discuss is how having interesting ways of not understanding how we fuel ourselves or what the way we eat can affect us can actually keep you from being it till you see it. We had this really amazing conversation with Lisa Schlosberg today, and she is a trauma informed coach, but also, like when you, she'll introduce herself, and her certifications are vast and phenomenal, and one of the few people in this world that I think has such an outlook on bodies and eating and food and all these things in a way that, like, it's not even that, it's no judgment. It is completely like, how do we make you be the best version of yourself and not like on the outside, but on the inside, on the brain capacity? Because you are a brave and courageous human who has many, many things to do in this world. And so I hope you enjoy this conversation. I think it will enlighten you in so many ways. I know it enlightens me. And if how you eat, or your relationship with food is affecting you from showing up in this world in the best version of yourself. And I'm not talking the outside version. I'm talking the inside version, if it's keeping you, if it's distracting you, if you're more focused on that than on the things you want to do, you'll hear me talk about my story, like if I can't do the podcast or find the guests, or think about the future, because I'm busy obsessing with something that has to do with eating, then I can't help the people I'm here on this planet to help. And so I wanted to have this conversation, because I do know that there might be some of you who are struggling out there, and if you're not, I think it's a really awesome conversation to listen to, because there are people in your lives who are and even though we can't change things for them, we can be informed in a way that allows us to be supportive. And you'll hear Lisa's roommates were those supportive people in her life at one point. So here is Lisa Schlosberg. 

Lesley Logan 2:55  

All right, Be It babe, this is going to be a fun conversation. I can tell you, because I've already talked with our amazing guests, and she and I are our best friends from a different life. I know it and get us in a room, it's gonna be a lot of fun. That's what I'm gonna say. Lisa Schlosberg is our guest today, and I want you to tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. 

Lisa Schlosberg 3:12  

Thank you. Thanks for having me. Okay, who I am. My name is Lisa Schlosberg, you nailed it. I am these days. I'm calling myself a trauma informed, emotional eating coach in terms of the credentials. I'm a licensed social worker. I started as a personal trainer, became an integrative health coach, and now I work with people who are struggling with their relationship with food and eating and body image in all capacities. So that is who I am, and also what I rock at. And I could, I could tell you more but I guess we'll leave it there for right now. 

Lesley Logan 3:42  

First of all, it sounds like you really like to learn. 

Lisa Schlosberg 3:45  

I do. 

Lesley Logan 3:47  

You went to a lot of school, but I love I do want to get into the journey, because I have worked, I'm a Pilates instructor, and so when I started teaching, of course, everyone came to me for weight loss, and I kept going so science is a thing, and I know that all the websites say that working out can help you lose weight, and it's true, it's part of the journey, but it's not the journey, and there's so much to it. So was that the impetus from you being a personal trainer to the all these things, or, like, how did that, how did you go okay, I'm done counting squats. I'd like to and not to knock, not to, like, the little personal training, but you know. 

Lisa Schlosberg 4:21  

Yes, yes, I hear you. I hear you. Yeah. So my work, very much, like most of us, is informed by my own lived experience. So if we're going according to the BMI chart, I was a morbidly obese child and teenager, so I was over 300 pounds when I was 17, and when I got to college, I really swung the pendulum from overeating to under eating, and then I became very obsessive and controlling and rigid around food, and I lost 150 pounds. And that part felt good for a while, but that's when it got really interesting, because when I had to recover my body from rapid, extreme weight loss and starvation and malnourishment, things got very complicated and confusing, because now I was instructed to eat more and exercise less, when my entire life, I was told to eat less and exercise more. And in that process, I started really feeling feelings. A lot of people who've been through recovery for addiction have similar experiences where you know when you stop drinking, a lot of the feelings that you were numbing with alcohol come up. And I was having that experience, but with food and eating and so part of the long story short answer to your question is at around that time, I was really interested in personal training because I liked working out, and I had lost a lot of weight, and I felt really empowered in the gym, and I wanted to help people, and that was the version of it that it took at that level of consciousness. But as I worked through a lot of my own disordered eating and body image stuff, I learned a lot about the mind body connection and trauma and stress and the relationship that that has on our relationship with food and eating. And so I just kept getting more and more interested in what's going on with my clients, mentally and emotionally and spiritually and socially, because I was realizing that people were not getting stuck in the physical dimension. People were not getting stuck and their answers, you know, they also weren't being fulfilled in the physical dimension by getting a six-pack. And so I just kept kind of getting deeper and deeper into the human experience. And where are we imbalanced? What are we lacking? What are we looking for ultimately, because I had, I got the body that I wanted, and I was, at the same time the least happy and healthy I'd ever been, and also at the lowest weight I'd ever been. So I had a lot of figuring things out to do, and that's kind of how I got there. 

Lesley Logan 6:55  

Yeah, thank you for sharing your journey. I think one of the things having been around a lot of friends who did the physique competitions, and you just look at these men and women these physique competitions, and not a single one of them was happy. Most of them have a story about crying in their car and eating a potato like a sweet potato that's cold or plain chicken out of a Ziploc bag, and like just sounds miserable, and yet, those are the bodies that people, I thought we kind of got past it, but it feels like we're back to like that. And it's interesting, like, even at my thinnest, my lowest weight, and my God, if we can just fucking grab the BMI, be great? There was no joy. There was no joy. It means there was a lot of obsession. And it was a, like, a there's a lot of planning. And like, when am I eating what? And when am I working out, and when am I doing this? And there wasn't a lot of living. There wasn't like, a surprise in the day of like, who could I possibly meet? Or there was never, you never were like, where do you want to eat? You wouldn't go, oh, let's try a new place. That wasn't happening in that life. I mean, do you mind sharing like, I feel like there's a be it till you see it in here, of like, how did you kind of, like, go, how did you for because we, I'm sure there are so many people listening who have either they're given up. They're not trying to yo yo anymore. They're trying to accept themselves. I do think that there's, I try very hard on this podcast to, like, really, it's not just body positivity. Like, just tell yourself you're beautiful, but like, just loving yourself. But how did you be until you see it to love yourself, because there that's a journey that take, that could take forever. 

Lisa Schlosberg 8:36  

Yeah, it's so great to be asked this question, because, as I was, you know, thinking about being here and sharing this story, when I think about my probably number one, be it example in my own life, was exactly at this point, like your radar is going off, because that is exactly what it was, because I remember at that point, and now, you know, I know a lot about how the brain science works And the neurobiology of addiction and food and things like that. But at the time, all I knew was that I was so obsessed about being in control of food and eating, and so it felt very scary and threatening, and to no exaggeration, it felt like life or death to know every single calorie I was eating, every single step I took, every single calorie I burned. That, to your point, is exactly what my life was like. That was all that was going on in my head. So when I realized that, A. that sucked and I didn't want to live that way anymore, and B. it was not sustainable for me. I didn't want to be 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years old, still counting every calorie, I started really thinking long term, who is the person this is like, where it's all going to wrap up with this episode too. It's like, who do I want to be? Who is the person that I want to be, and what would she be doing? And I remember, like, a specific example, where at the time, I was in college, and I lived very close to a frozen yogurt place, and that was like the thing, right? So all my friends who are not crazy rigid and restrictive about food and eating would, on a random Tuesday night be like, let's go get froyo. And at the time, it was like, absolutely not. I will not join. I will not be a part of that. And if I do, I won't have any, and if I have any, I have to account for every single calorie of it earlier in the day. But then I started realizing I do not want to be doing this five years from now, 10 years from now. So how do I access and embody what the person I want to be would do, and what the person I want to be would do, would go eat Froyo, and she would be scared and she would be anxious. We're not going for fearless. We're going for brave. We're going for courageous. That I can do. So feel the fear and do it anyway, that's something I can do. And so I remember consciously choosing to go live my life and be spontaneous and hang out with my friends and eat some froyo, because that's what I needed to do to actually become that person and feel safe doing it. And I think about a lot of that period of my life was really thinking way long term and realizing and recognizing I don't want to be the person that gets on the scale multiple times a day. I don't even want to be the person that gets on the scale once a day. I don't want the scale in my life. And so where, where am I today, versus where do I want to be in the future? And just starting to identify, what are some of the things that I could do to get myself there. And another specific example that point in my life was I lived with a few roommates who were my best friends at the time, and when I realized I had a very addictive compulsive relationship with the scale. I gave it to them, and I asked them to hide it from me, and I was allowed to step on the scale one time a week, and then I would give it back to them, and they would hide it, and it was like little things like this that were just being it. I don't, I, right now, feel very scared and attached to the scale back then, but I didn't want to live that way anymore, so I identified how I could shift things and just act into it. And then slowly but surely, my brain learned that it was actually safe to release that kind of control. And slowly but surely, I got there. But that's like the number one example I think about. I stopped getting on the scale, I stopped dieting. I stopped counting calories, I stopped, I just, I thought about it like abstinence from the addiction to dieting, and I had to experience withdrawal from that addiction. 

Lesley Logan 12:34  

Which (inaudible) much time in your day.

Lisa Schlosberg 12:37  

Yeah, oh my god. Time, space, energy, resource, everything, everything. So I like to also be really honest about this with people. When they say, you know, if I don't get on the scale, I'm going to be really anxious about it. I'm like, well, yeah, that's the withdrawal. Your comfort right now is getting from getting on the scale. So if you're not stepping on it, you'll probably feel uncomfortable. That's part of it. Just because withdrawal is hard, is not a good reason to keep doing drugs, as I like to say. So that's what I would say to that. 

Lesley Logan 13:04  

Oh yeah. I have some dear friends who are, like, amazing coaches, and they help people with macros, and I was not having as much energy as I used to have. My strength was also like, not so great. And I was at the gym and I was not able to lift as heavy as I was. And I was like, I am getting older, like I turned 40, but I'm not that old. And it, what is this? And so I, like, you know, inquired, because she's really smart. I see her working out, and, you know, she's home. She sent me the whole packet, and I looked at all of it, and I was like, there is no way I can count macros like this. Are you nuts? Like I, throughout the day, I have to go to this calculator and put it in. Yeah, they've made it easier now. Now you could scan a barcode and it puts all the things in there, but, like, I'm trying not to eat processed food, so there's no barcode. It just began this thing. And I was just like, I have a million emails to write, so I can either write those emails or I could do this. And I was like, and this might not even be the reason why I don't have energy and I'm losing strength. And thankfully, I had this moment where, like, this is going to take me down this other path that is going to keep me from being it till I see it, because the person I want to be in this world does not count their macros. And by the way, anybody who's counting macros, if that is helpful for you, and it's not an addiction, and it's not distracting you from being this amazing person, like, I'm not here to take that away from you. But for me, it is a problem. It is like getting back on the addiction wagon. And so I went and got my blood work done, and wouldn't you know, I just didn't have a lot of testosterone or progesterone. You fix those two fucking things, you have energy and strength again. So the only macro I joke about is, like, I count protein like it is a fucking like, and then once I get some enough protein, I'm like, and now we're having this, but like, not only because protein is so fucking hard to have in our lives, and ladies, we need it, but I just was like, I cannot count the calories. I cannot count how much fat I'm getting. This is not how I want to go because who I want to be in this world is not obsessed with that. It is literally helping propel people's lives forward, and this is taking me away from giving to people like that. So thank you. It's. A fucking journey. You gotta but you have to know. What does it? Can you tell people, just in case, like because a trauma informed coach like you are, what does that mean in your space? Because we've heard it in different types of therapists, but what does that mean in your world?

Lisa Schlosberg 15:12  

So part of the reason that I use that is because I am a licensed social worker. I've been trained as a therapist, and I understand how the mind-body system works. I say that because I'm not just someone who like read a book about trauma once I know what I'm doing in that sense, but the reason that I specifically talk about it in the work that I do around food and eating is because trauma informed work is really about having people feel safe. That's the foundation of it all. So it means that the client or the patient is in charge. They have control, they have agency. They feel safe. And so the reason that matters to me is because for so many people, myself included, food and eating is a coping mechanism, the same way that dieting and restricting can be a coping mechanism, and these are things that operate to provide a sense of safety and control. So it's very important for me, if the work that I'm doing with someone is to be sustainable and a lifelong approach, which it is, these are not things that you can just take away from someone. This is part of the reason that for me, I'll use myself as an example as a kid, sure, I was put on diet after diet after diet. And the reason that none of those worked, and I would quote-unquote, sabotage them all, was because food was my drug of choice, and without it, I felt like I was not going to survive, and not from a I-need-food-to-live point, but from an emotional standpoint, and that's true for a lot of people. So we cannot do this kind of diet approach of like, just stop eating this way. It doesn't work like that for a lot of people, and it shouldn't. It neurobiologically, makes all the sense in the world that there is a deeper connection there and a way deeper bond there. So it needs to be trauma informed that is, I'm not taking anything away from you. You have full permission you want to keep like, I have people who do my program, and as soon as we start working together, they tell me, you know, because I signed up for this program, I started binging on food because I'm afraid you're going to take that away from me. And it's like, oh, absolutely not. This is a space where I see your relationship with food, however stressful and dysfunctional and quote-unquote disordered it might be, that's serving some sort of purpose, that's making you feel safe in some way. So I consider it a life jacket. And the same way that I would not say, hey, you're drowning, good idea right now to take off your life jacket, I'm going to say I'm much more interested in, how do we get you to feel like you're drowning less, and how do we get you connected to other things that you would consider life jackets so that slowly but surely, gradually, organically, you start to loosen the grip a little bit around your binging or purging or overeating, or whatever it is, in a way that feels safe, so that you can go on the rest of your life without using it like a drug. It has to be trauma informed in that way. 

Lesley Logan 18:11  

Yeah, yeah. Food is such an interesting thing, and having disordered eating is like one of the things that I think is the biggest culprit to why people can't be it till they see it, why they can't do things in life, because disordered eating puts you on a yo-yo of energy and strength or lack thereof, of these things, and it affects your sleep, like all this stuff. For the person who maybe has does not recognize this, they're like, listen, ladies, I've lived a great life, and they exist out there. Or maybe they don't really know the signs. Maybe they don't know in their friends, you know? Like, I think it's really easy for us to pick up on a friend who's addicted to alcohol, or it's addicted to a lot of things. I think disordered eating can be because we can call someone a foodie, or they can call, you know what I mean? Like, there's these different things. So can you tell us what the signs of disordered eating are?

Lisa Schlosberg 18:59  

Yeah, well, I think because when it comes to disordered eating, it takes so many different forms and versions. It can manifest in so many ways, right? So the more obvious ones are overeating versus undereating. And then there's more, like the picky eating, the kind of orthorexia, right? Where it's not necessarily anorexia, where it's not you're not restricting to a dangerous amount, but things have to fit a very rigid, controlled criteria of what is allowed and what isn't. So it can be very tricky, because it can show up in so many ways. And then there are a lot of people who, I'm sure many people listening have experienced overeating at night and undereating in the morning. We tend to exhibit a lot of these at the same time, and so I think it's challenging to tell, especially because when it comes to food and eating, there can be, in my experience, there's so much shame and fear, embarrassment and judgment that goes into it, that a lot of people who have eating disorders are really good at hiding it and being very secretive about it, that's usually part of the disorder. So I would be less concerned with how do you tell it in someone else, and more concerned with, like, are you in a stable place yourself? Because ultimately, other people are other people, and we can't do much about that, other than be supportive if and when they know it and want it. But I think when it comes to ourselves, for me, what I would get curious about is, do you have a sense of hunger and fullness? Do you know what your body is feeling? Because for a lot of people, you know, without falling into the really scientific answer, we have homeostatic and hedonic hunger. We have physical hunger, we have emotional hunger. And a lot of people, as life goes on, it's almost like the brain stores food and eating as a coping mechanism, and it knows that, hey, you were stressed out that one time, and then you ate a Snickers, and that made you feel better. So I, the hippocampus of your brain. It's my job to store your memories so that the next time you're stressed out, you eat a Snickers. We've figured it out, like I know how to help you. But so your brain knows that food and eating especially high calorie, high fat, high sugar food that's good for survival. It will help you feel better, because it lights up the reward center in your brain, and it also can bring your stress down. So for the reason I say that is because so many people end up later in life saying, oh, I don't know if I'm hungry, I don't know if I'm full, I just know that I was bored, I knew that I was sad, I knew that I was happy, I knew, right? And so at a certain point in life, we actually completely lose the connection to our bodies, but we're all we're driven by emotion around food, and that's not inherently by itself, a bad thing, but it can be a reason that we're eating when we're not hungry. We're eating foods that aren't nutritious for us. We're not in alignment with intuitive eating. We're just being kind of swung around by the emotional nature of life. And then it has everything to do with how we're showing up around food. So that would be the first thing is, like when you eat, are you mindful? Are you present? Are you tasting food? Are you eating when you're hungry and stopping when you're full? Are you connected to your body in the process of feeding it and living in it? That would be my first question.

Lesley Logan 22:34  

So in Japan, they teach kids in school how to know if they're hungry or not. We don't do this here. You know, that's nothing. And my holistic doctor is a dear friend of ours, and she was talking to Brad, and she's like, yeah, just sit and enjoy your food. And he's like, oh, well, I'm working while I'm eating. And she like, could you just sit and maybe don't do anything but eat the food, you know? And it's like this, whoa, what a concept. Like, we could just sit and like, also in Japan, it is rude and weird to be walking around while you eat. They want you to sit down and they take a bite, and they don't just eat only one thing. They pick around their plate. It's a very fascinating thing. And you're smiling and laughing, because it's like, whoa, you know? And it is interesting, like, it can be a reward. Some people use it as some people's parents use it as a comfort thing. There's all these things. And you said the hippocampus, it's like, how you're raised as a kid, you get the Snickers when you had a bad day at school, and so then, you know, it's you're going to the dentist and you get a lollipop. There's these things, right? And none of and by the way, I don't think any food is bad because, just like my habits coach would say there's no bad habit, there's there might be things you don't like about that habit, but there's actually not a bad habit, because it's serving you in some way. Where I get worried about people is like they get obsessed with it, and it keeps them from, like, no one was put on this planet to be obsessed with food. Everyone was put on this planet because they're helpful and integral in how society works and how we create things and the inventions of things. Could you imagine if inventors were obsessed with food? We would have no electricity. None of us would want a leader of the country to be obsessed we have a disordered eating. So I guess, like, my next question is, you mentioned, like, just trying things out and thinking about things in the future. What are your favorite ways to just kind of explore that? What are your favorite ways of just like, tapping into (inaudible) because I just think, like, yes, abstinence is amazing. And I also think some people go to AA because they need a sponsor and they need to say, hi, I'm so and so and I keep getting on this again, like, what are your, what are your tools for people?

Lisa Schlosberg 24:50  

Yeah, so I think the number one thing that has become kind of a mantra in everything that I do and coach is you're uncomfortable, you're not unsafe. And the reason this is so important, and I'm going to talk about it, is, A. because I've seen it be such a major breakthrough moment for people, and also because it's really the answer to your question of, like, okay, but how do I do it? Okay, but how do I do it? Okay great. I can, like, envision and visualize and say all the mantras and all that shit, and that's great, but at the end of the day, you're fighting your brain. So I'm gonna back up a second and explain like brain science 101, really quickly. Here's how I like to talk about it. You, as a human being, you are a spiritual being having a physical experience. Most of us have heard that before. Okay, let's make it a little bit more complicated. You have an animal brain, and you live in a social context, and you survive on food. So there's a lot going on. If you feel like your relationship with food is confusing and complicated, that's why there's a lot going on in the human being at any given point. But the reason I'm saying this is because you're a human being, but you have an animal brain. What does that mean? Your animal brain is only designed to keep you safe. It doesn't care. It doesn't know if you are happy or healthy or wealthy or successful. The only thing it knows is, are you moving towards safety and survival or into danger and threat? That's it. So all the stuff that's going on in your human life, in your human brain, if you will, is filtered into is this safe or is this dangerous? Okay, so when things become familiar and habitual and comfortable, when you've been doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again, right? What your brain perceives is that this is what's safe, even if it's not comfortable, even if you don't like it. Your brain thinks this is what kept us alive this long. We have to keep doing this and doing something else might put our life in danger, which is why, when you start to think about implementing a new habit or doing something different or getting out of your comfort zone, it feels like you're fighting something. You are. It's your brain saying, for all I know, you could die out there. I have to keep you safe on the couch, not ever moving your body like I have to keep you here. This is what you've been doing forever, and this is where we're safe. So in that moment, whatever that moment is, that when you start to move out of your comfort zone. This is where your brain, your body, your physiology, start to contract and react as though they need to save your life. Now we're doing this kind of like fight or flight freeze reaction because we're out of our comfort zone, because the brain thinks that you might actually be in life-threatening danger, but you're not. You're just outside your comfort zone, and those, your animal brain doesn't know the difference. So what I love to leverage is the power of your conscious input, and when your conscious input is hey, I know that this is scary, I know that this is uncomfortable, but we're not going to die here. We're uncomfortable. We're not unsafe. This is something that we can actually survive. We're going to breathe through this. We're going to come out the other side. Because I can tolerate some discomfort. I can't tolerate life, life-threatening tragedy, but I could be a little bit uncomfortable for a bit, if that's what I need to do, and very often, whether it's stepping out of my own comfort zone in my own life, or I'm just sitting with a client and having them breathe through, you know, the tightness in my back and the pit in my belly and the headache I'm feeling because I'm so uncomfortable when we practice breathing through that and saying, okay, so you're uncomfortable, you don't need to react like you're going to die. Then something shifts and it's like, it's like your animal brain gets the message that you are here and you are safe and it's all going to be okay. So that, to me, is like the integrative nugget of wisdom that I would like to share, because it's really us and our own fear of discomfort that gets in the way. It's not the actual discomfort, it's the fear of discomfort. 

Lesley Logan 29:13  

Yeah, isn't that like the thing for everything? Like, yeah, we're talking like we've mentioned food, because you're the expert in this, but also like, it's the thing on every all of it, no one wants to actually be uncomfortable, because that's the scariest thing that has ever happened for them. Your passion for all this knowledge is, like, freaking contagious. Like, I really do love it. And you need a TED Talk someday. I hope you have one. You should, if you have it, you should be applying, especially on that little nugget right there. I could listen to 18 more minutes of that. However, one of the things that I know from our listeners, they are very passionate about things, and then that passion turns into them like self-sacrificing. So how do you prioritize yourself while also helping so many people?

Lisa Schlosberg 29:53  

Yeah, it's an ongoing journey and challenge. Because I do, I mean, I really love what I do, and I am super passionate about it, and I also have to just be very mindful of my own self-care. And one thing that I've learned to do is kind of the inverse of what I used to do, because what I used to do was like, I would schedule all my work calls and all my clients and all my stuff, and then if I had some extra time, maybe I would prioritize myself, and that sucked, but so now I do my best to insert myself first, like, okay, I know that I'm gonna need this two-hour block to go to the gym or whatever else, take a walk or take a nap, whatever. It changes every day, but I will be very mindful now of if I'm scheduling something. And this just happened a lot this these last couple weeks have been very busy if I'm scheduling something, and I see that I'm starting to do that thing where I'm getting into my own time. It's like an absolutely not, non-negotiable time block. I need to, I mean, I'm the business. I am. I'm the CEO of the company like I, it is my job. And that has been like a a mindset shift that has been really helpful for me too, is it's actually my job to take care of myself, because I cannot do my best work if I'm not at my best, and everyone that I work with is worthy of that, and so it's part of my job to insert myself in my day. It's not negotiable. 

Lesley Logan 31:34  

Oh, my God, thank you. I swear. I did not ask her to say that everyone I swear, but it's so true. So I like go, so I go around and, you know, I get to, I get to teach. And around the world, around the country, and you guys, one of the things I hear people go, oh, I would love to take your class, but I have to go teach. And I was like, okay, when was the last time you took someone else's session? And they're like, I'm just too busy. And I'm like, you know, the thing is, the thing that makes me the best of what I do.And so many people just assume I'm very busy, and I am, like my schedule is full, but the reason I don't feel busy, and the reason I, you know, can do all these things, is because my morning time block, that's non-negotiable, that's all about me, is the reason I can do all of this, and you are, can only be so you will not be the best teacher or wife or mother or partner or dog mom or best friend if you don't take care of you and your brain and your mental health, because you will be exhausted and distracted and eventually resentful, especially if the thing that you do is the thing that you're offering people, and then you don't do it for you, you're gonna be like, this month, this person gets to come four fucking days a week, and I didn't get to go once. And it's like, yeah, but who's whose fault is that?

Lisa Schlosberg 32:54  

Yeah. Well, that's also, that is what I was thinking. Was like, I remember years ago, I was so called out because I was a personal trainer at a gym, and I had back to back to back to back to back clients, so that when I got home, I was completely out of control around food. I was just out of whack. And I remember saying to my therapist, you know, I have no time during the day. I can barely make it to the bathroom to pee in between my clients. And at one point she just looked at me and she said, Lisa, who makes your schedule? And I was like, I do. And she was like, okay, well, why is it that you don't even have time to go to the bathroom if you are in charge of making your own schedule? And it was really eye-opening to me, of this moment of like, personal responsibility is the foundation of self-care, it was like, oh, no one else is going to take care of me. No one's coming to save me. No one's going to make sure I take care of me. And that was a really tough pill for me to swallow at the time. So, yeah.

Lesley Logan 33:55  

Yeah. When I first started teaching the job that I had, like in all the people before me, they all had 55-minute sessions. So I had 55-minute sessions. And then I went to the UK to teach, and everyone's like, oh, it's an hour, right? Because I ended five minutes before. And I was like, oh, no, no, I teach 55-minute sessions. Like, oh. And I was like, you teach an hour. When do you pee? When do you wash your hands? Like you're always late. Are we just hoping everyone's late? I was like, No. And then, and then I got to the point I was like, they should be 50 minutes. I need 10 minutes. What if I have a bathroom emergency, like when my husband and I finally met, I've been teaching for a long time, and he was going to a yoga class, and I was like, I want to go this yoga class. And I was like, oh, I'm just going to change my schedule. And he's like, What about the client? I said, well, they'll move or they'll go to a different teacher. And he's like, what? I'm like, well, I'll just be a better teacher if I go to this class and I'll pick up another hour, another time, like, like, this is I'd gotten to that mindset, and I there's so many people who just want to, like, hold on to being busy. Hold on to this thing. It's not even just like a people, it's like this thing. Like, I am this. This is how important I am, only I can do this. You are correct. The more you care for yourself, the more you can actually care for so many people. And it does start with you. It's still, it totally does. It has to be, I think, more and more I'm hoping people are changing how they raise children, that the world doesn't evolve around you, and that, like, I don't eat and breathe to like, take care of you, but you need to take care of you, so you should revolve a little bit about you. But. What are you most excited about right now? 

Lisa Schlosberg 35:29  

Oh, wow, that is actually super easy for me to answer. Long story short, I've been guest teaching at a retreat center for many years, and as of a couple weeks ago, I have landed my first five-day event for myself and my own work. And I will be at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, New York, September 7 to 12 2025 and the reason I'm so excited about it is because this is like a total be it moment, because I, year after year after year, like I have memories of me sitting in that hall in like 2016 mapping out the retreat that I thought I would one day be giving. And year after year after year, that's pretty much what happened. And next year is my year. So that was a couple weeks ago, but I'm just still riding the high, like there's I'm having this experience of, I feel very excited, but also really grateful and proud of all the versions of me that had to go into this, actually manifesting into reality. So yeah, so it's like, oh, that's, that's actually super easy. I have been super excited about this for days now.

Lesley Logan 36:46  

Oh my god. I love that. I love a be it moment like that. I love the visualization, manifestation. And then it happens, you know. And I thank you for sharing that you're proud. I think more of us need to say I'm so fucking proud of the work that I did. 

Lisa Schlosberg 36:46  

I am, I am. 

Lesley Logan 36:48  

Oh my gosh, Lisa, okay, well, I could talk to you forever but we're gonna take a brief break and find out where people can find you, follow you, and work with you. 

Lesley Logan 37:06  

All right, gorgeous. Where do you like to hang out? Where if people are like, hold on, I, maybe, I'm a little addicted to a couple of these things, and I would like to have time in my life to do other things. Where can they work with you?

Lisa Schlosberg 37:18  

Thank you. So the best place to find me would be on Instagram. It's Lisa.Schlosberg. I am the host of the Out of the Cave podcast, where we have an episode as well. There are over 120 now. So if any of this is resonating with you, there are many hours of content that you can absorb there. And then my website is outofthecave.health. There are a lot of things there. There's an ebook of journal prompts, there's a meditation library, and then there are five different recorded workshops that you can get on all, all sorts of things, disordered eating and healing. And you can always just email me. [email protected] I'm super open to that, and I hope to talk to you soon. 

Lesley Logan 37:58  

Yeah. Well, before I let you go, you've given us so much, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Lisa Schlosberg 38:07  

Yes, so I love teaching this, because I really live by it. I think of it as a three-step process. So the first is who is the person that you want to be? So as I mentioned before, and I like to clarify, because I know sometimes if you're very in your head, like I am, you can get kind of particular about that you're not thinking about, like, what is she wearing and what does she like to eat? Who is the person that you want to be in quality, what is the energetic blueprint of the human being? And so some of those things are brave, compassionate, patient, right? Who do I want to be? The second part of it is what would they do? So, okay, I know who I want to be, and what she would do is X, Y and Z. You can think of any example. So you're not thinking about yourself, you're thinking about the person you have in your mind's eye. And with that energy and those qualities, what would they do in the situation that you're in or trying to navigate? And then the third is, how do I do that? And what does that like for me right now? And that's exactly like I said earlier, it's like, okay, the person that I want to be would go and eat this frozen yogurt, even though she's really afraid of it. That's what I'm going to do right now. I can give you a million examples of how this shows up, but that is the three-step process that I very literally walk myself through when I'm struggling or questioning or confused and trying to navigate how do I want, how do I want to show up in my life in this moment? Well, I try to outsource it. I always think of that this as like outsourcing to the higher self. I'm not outsourcing like someone else tell me what to do. I'm not giving my power away. I'm saying, hold on, I can connect to the highest, wisest, most resourced version of me and have that kind of guidance. So it's a little bit for the spiritual woo-woo folk out there. But it also, really, I think, supports me in a lot of decision-making. So that's what I will offer.

Lesley Logan 40:08  

I love that, because it can, the be it till you see it in that is like, it can be the filter you need when you're like, I don't know how to make this decision. It's like, okay, well, if I was this person down the road, how would they make this decision, and then you can go do that, and you get closer like you start to bring it all together. Oh my gosh, Lisa, you're just amazing. Thank you so much for your honesty. Thank you for sharing with us. I think it's such a good topic, because I do think, I do love that the world is thinking a little bit more about being body positive. But what does that actually mean, and how do we take the people who want to be that way and help them feel it on the inside too, you know? And I think it's so easy. It's like, okay, well, then I just won't talk about the thing that I'm doing, because then they don't, people think I'm not body positive. But really, you know, there are steps we have to take along the way, and it's complicated when it comes to food, it's complicated. So you are just so incredible. 

Lesley Logan 40:59  

You all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Lisa. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend, even though it's not your place to worry about, if you have someone who's like it seems to be concerning them or their child, things like that, let them know, because there are wonderful experts, and not just an expert, like there are nutritionists, but a trauma informed person who comes from a place of understanding and kindness and helpfulness, and if anything, I think it's really good to understand, like, business comfort is a safe place to be. So I, that's my take. I just like, oh, my God, we try to make things more comfortable and it's like, you know, live a little bit in discomfort. That's where the good stuff is. That's what they say in the memes, anyway. Life happens outside there. So until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 41:42  

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Brad Crowell 42:25  

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It’s Friday, and Lesley is back with another round of inspiring wins—from setting boundaries to making time for friendships. In this week’s Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley highlights community stories that show the power of connection and being intentional with your time. She also shares her own win: carving out time for meaningful friendships, even with a packed schedule. Tune in to hear uplifting community wins and celebrate the small victories that make a big impact.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. Oh my gosh, I'm coming into this FYF after having just two epic interviews, like, just so freaking great. So you know, part of my wins are just that I'm like, loving the guests that we're attracting for this podcast. They're just freaking phenomenal, making me be a better interviewer. For sure. I'm having to learn a lot really fast. But, first, we obviously share your wins, then we share a win of mine and a little mantra. So this one is from Jennifer L., Jennifer Lapina. She is an eLevate member of mine, so at this point she'll have graduated from round four, and she says happy to be enjoying my North Carolina home, sitting on my French porch, listening to the birds, crickets and frogs, watching the fireflies as I type. This evening, met virtually with Yasmine in Germany and she helped me overcome my spine extension anxiety, and I'm thrilled to be working out with my instructor of 15 years, Amanda, at Core Integrity Greensboro. She's an amazing instructor and friend and her feedback has been invaluable to my practice. I'm playing around with all of her classical equipment (inaudible), especially loving the foot corrector and the high chair, and Amanda and I are swapping private. So that's a win-win. Finalize the details to co-host my first retreat on the island of Crete in October, and I'm happy to meet up with more of you virtually now that I'm on the eastern side of the world and my summer schedule. And I'm finally feeling a connection to my seat on a daily basis. I mean, just love those wins. Jennifer's like, little wins each and every time. And like, also some of those wins are after, like, working towards those things. So I also just want to say, how cool is it? You had a teacher for 15 years and now you're teaching her. Congratulations. So, so, so stoked for you. So thank you for sharing that. 

Lesley Logan 2:29  

Okay, we have one more win. I want to share this, but it's also from eLevate round four person. You know, we truly love, love, love, love, our eLevators. It's one of my favorite things that I get to do. This is by Ainsley Walker. I looked at my new schedule for September, and I realized I have more duets than ever. It's what Brad advised on our one-to-one. I have eight. I have reduced my mat classes to five weekly sessions, and the remainder 50% are one-to-ones. I'm happy with that as I realize it's what I have nurtured to happen with the teaching confidence gained from this group. I still find duets harder than one-to-ones and I'm figuring it out and playing with them to discover how it can be easeful. I'm comfortable being uncomfortable in that. I've moved my advanced client for two hours working through all her reformer headstand moves. I had the posters and the flashcards, and it was so fun seeing a body in front of me doing the moves that hopefully will be in my practice in the future. I stood strong on my price raises, even when questioned, I smile with confidence and it enabled me to keep doing what I am doing, not become overworked and put my clients first as a priority. Everyone understood and I got incredible feedback from a new client who seems to be getting, doing the rounds of the reformer (inaudible) saying that my class was the best, had the most impact on her body with simple instructions and simple-wise, it all made sense. Ainsley, I'm just like in awe of these. I just want to say thank you. Thank you for sharing this with us. Thank you for celebrating the wins of your clients, but also of yourself. And it takes time to stand in your worth and know that, and also to really make sure that prioritizing yourself helps you prioritize them. So congratulations, and all those works of like makes you imagine and change in the schedule so they can be what you want it to be, so you can show up as your best self. So thank you so much. 

Lesley Logan 4:13  

All right, you guys, my win. So I think I've shared this at the beginning of the year, that I want to be more intentional with my friendships. And I started this year off with having a couple days with a staycation with friends, and then it's actually been a really difficult trying to, because I'm also trying to, like, make friends in my town. Not that I don't have friends, because they're probably listening. Hi, guys! But like, having, like, friends who understand the work that I do, and just being more intentional with that. And this week that you're listening to this, I'm seeing two friends who don't live near me, because I actually was able, Brad and I were able to make it a point to stay in LA an extra day on our way home from Thailand and Cambodia to celebrate a 50th birthday of a friend. And next week, when I get home, I get to celebrate another friend's 50th birthday. And so, you know, I think the win is that sometimes it can be kind of like focusing, like I gotta make more friends here, and in trying to make more time for friendships, I've just made more time for the friendships that I have. And I can look back at this year and see there's been a lot of in-person connections with the people I've loved for many, many years. It came from intentionality. And last week's win was on intentionality. This week's win is on intentionality. And so maybe it's a theme for this month. I don't know. We'll see, but I just want to share that I'm just really so freaking stoked for myself as you listen to this, I'll be flying back from Thailand to spend the day with one friend at a spa in LA so we can celebrate another friend's birthday, and none of us live in the same town. And no, it's not easy. It took work. It took a lot of extra work. It means recording FYFs and podcasts in advance. It means being extremely planned ahead. But so I could have this win, worth all the extra planning. Worth all of it. Worth all of it. 

Lesley Logan 6:01  

Okay, let me leave you with a mantra for your weekend. Are you ready for it? When I root into the earth, the earth rises to support me. Oh, that's so good. When I root into the earth, the earth rises to support me. When I root into the earth, the earth rises to support me. All right, love, go celebrate your wins. Send them in to us. We'd love to celebrate them with you, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:24  

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Brad Crowell 7:07  

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Lesley Logan 7:12  

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Never underestimate the power of the mind-body connection. In this episode, Lesley and Brad dive into the conversation with Dr. Andrew Fix to explore how shifting your mindset around pain and truly tuning in to your body can transform your well-being. You’ll learn actionable steps for improving sleep, managing pain, and building a healthier, more balanced life. 

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

We're not saying, you guys, that all of your pain is thought into your body or told into your body like obviously, real accidents, injuries have happened, but you have to just be mindful of how you're talking about yourself, because your body is listening. 

Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  

Lesley Logan 0:56  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the rehabilitating convo I had with Dr. Andrew Fix in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can listen to it after you listen to this one, because we're going to tell you some really fun stuff. And then you can go listen to that one and you can learn some really fun stuff. 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

So today is October 17th 2024 and it is National Spirit Day. Let's talk about this day, you guys. I really liked this one. There's actually, if you look at today.com or whatever, nationaltoday.com there's a bunch of them we could have chosen, but this one I like, because Spirit Day is an annual observance that takes place on the third Thursday in October, October 17th this year. This day aims to create awareness for the bullying harassment that the LGBTQ community faces. Millions of people worldwide identify as queer, and many more are yet to publicly declare their status. Such a large community of people shouldn't be alienated or marginalized because of their sexual orientation, but the reality, sadly, is that they are. All over the world, LGBTQ youth suffer harassment because of their identity. There's a need for transgender individuals to have more protected rights. Hear, hear. So, that's what today is, getting the awareness out. And so, yeah, yeah, it's National Spirit Day.

Brad Crowell 2:09  

Yeah. Unfortunately, this has been politicized, because it shouldn't be. It's just about human rights and people being people, and us leaving people alone.

Lesley Logan 2:19  

I know. And also, like, (inaudible) the amount of people who think that, like, children are just going to school and then coming out as trans, I would like, ask people if you are really, if you think that all these people are just now, like, it's just a preponderance of people as trans, I would want you to, like, just do a little analysis on that. And also, I think it's really cool that we live in a world where in some place it is safe for people to explore who they are and share that. We also live in a world where it is really unsafe and it shouldn't even be political. Your sexual orientation should never be politicized. Anyways, I'm getting frustrated. I'm sad for those people. So anyways, if you live in a place where you can vote for people who support people's rights, I would highly recommend you do that, so go do that. And currently we are on vacation. So while we're on vacation from our amazing retreat, if you want to come on that amazing retreat, this is kind of like the last hurrah. Well, that's, apparently not. We actually had someone sign up for our sold out retreat three weeks before we left, because my mom wanted to bring her friend. And so we made, we moved mountains. 

Brad Crowell 3:22  

I was gonna say we did. We did make an exception. That wasn't the plan. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

But you can, apparently, you, just so you know, you can be one of those people who waits the last minute. I wouldn't recommend it. So I would snag your spot now at crowsnestretreats.com, to join us in February.

Brad Crowell 3:35  

Yeah, we're gonna be going to back to Cambodia, to our favorite place in the world, Siem Reap, where we get a chance to take you to our house. We have a 12-bedroom apartment complex there, you come stay at our place, practice Pilates during the week, then we go on Temple tours, then we have some amazing food. We meet some incredible people. We explore the countryside. We explore the city. It is just an amazing experience to see another place in a group, where you kind of get a little bit of adventure, but you still feel like you're safe and with a group and everything like that. The one last thing I first landed in Cambodia, we got off the plane, like, 10 o'clock at night. It was super, super dark, and I was getting sick. I was like, on my I had caught something where I was, like, having a runny nose, and I wasn't feeling great, and I was so excited to go, but I was also not feeling well, and Lesley looks around, smells the charcoal in the air because people were cooking dinner, and she says my soul is home. And I was like, how do you know your damn soul is home you haven't seen anything yet. 

Lesley Logan 3:39  

It's dark and it's crazy and it's chaos. And I was like, it is, we're gonna live here, and we had seen nothing or eat nothing. So that was really brave of me, but we really loved it. And so you get to come to our house. 

Brad Crowell 4:45  

Yeah, you should come with us and hang out, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Next up.

Lesley Logan 4:52  

Then after I come back, I go and I'm gonna stay in LA to get ready for the accessories deck shoot. So that is the sixth deck in the series. For the flashcards. 

Brad Crowell 5:03  

Flashcards (inaudible) talking about deck here. 

Lesley Logan 5:05  

You're not reading my mind, everyone? You're not like you're not picturing what I'm thinking about? Also, because I just got to finally announce that the mat deck 2.0 has shipped. While you're listening to this, it has shipped over a month ago. So there's that. Anyways, we're wrapping up this whole project and this product, and so we're doing the photo shoot, and all of those on the waitlist will get the presale opportunity. When is that going to be? I can't tell you in this moment, but it's probably somewhere around Q2 so you'll want to go to opc.me/flashcardwait list, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. All right, Brad, tell them about what's next for you.

Brad Crowell 5:42  

All right, so I've been hosting a webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. So if you are a fitness business owner out there and you have, you're bringing people to your home for a home studio, or maybe you rent a small boutique space, or maybe you have a team. This webinar is for you. Okay, what are we going to talk about? We're going to talk about, how do you double your income over the next 12 months? Right? That's a crazy thing to even think about. But ultimately, we all know that money is involved in our, you know, running our own business here, and we work our asses off, and we barely are making ends meet, and it's time for us to actually make the profit that we need, so that we can actually take a deep breath and enjoy what we're doing, because I know how stressful it is to barely be keeping our heads above water. We did it for many, many years, until we got coaching. And then when we got coaching, everything changed dramatically. And so this webinar is going to share with you three big secrets that Lesley and I have determined, after we have coached now more than 2000 clients of our own businesses, just like yours, small businesses, people just getting started, all the way up to people with million dollar studios. And we just had a lot of experience doing it, and we want to share that experience with you. So come join me for free. prfit.biz/accelerator, that's profit without -the O dot B-I Z slash accelerator, and come join me. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 5:48  

Yeah and then come hang out with us IRL, we're going, gosh, we're gonna have the biggest tour ever, our winter tour. At this moment, it's possible we've even announced the date, because I don't know. We're trying to do it in October. That's our goal. 

Brad Crowell 7:18  

Yeah. Dates will definitely be available. So yeah, we're going on tour, y'all. We're leaving in December the sixth, and we'll be coming back more than a month later. We're going to be doing over 8000 miles drive around the country. We're going to basically stick through 40 as we go across the south till we hit North Carolina. Then we're going to go all up to Maine, then all the way down the east coast to Miami, and then we're going to come back through Texas, and we're going to hit Phoenix on the way home. So if any of that sounds like you're remotely close, or going to be close, or going to be near family that's close, go to opc.me/tour. We'd love to meet you in person and hang out and do Pilates and, you know, just kick it. It is an incredible opportunity to get to meet our pups. That's going to be a blast. 

Lesley Logan 7:59  

Yeah, I'm really excited for all the places that we're going to, the studios we're finally going to see. I mean, it's just going to be wonderful. So thank you all who always come out on our tour. Oh my gosh. One of the, you know how we were in Korea, I was supposed to, we were talking about someone who was like, I (inaudible) a workshop in Korea. Well, someone lived in Canada. Well, someone now lives in the DC area. And I was like, we're going to see you. She's like, oh my God. We're finally gonna meet three countries later. We're doing it. We're doing it. All right, well, opc.me/tour. Go get your tickets because, believe it or not, winter tours sell out really fast because people make plans early. So there you go. before you get into Andrew's amazing notes for all of us, let's talk about the audience question. 

Brad Crowell 8:40  

Yeah. JoannPilates on Instagram asked, "Hi Lesley, I hear that you are good in teaching headstand on the reformer. Do you teach via zoom?"

Lesley Logan 8:48  

I know we posted my headstand and now I do headstand by myself, without you. 

Brad Crowell 8:52  

Yeah, no, I'm impressed. 

Lesley Logan 8:54  

I know. And actually everyone is, too. So I know. 

Brad Crowell 8:56  

That everyone is impressed or everyone is doing headstand? 

Lesley Logan 8:58  

No, they're impressed. But, (inaudible) someone else did it, someone else tagged me in their headstands journey. And so am I good at teaching headstand? I am really good at teaching people connections that they need. So if headstand is the goal, great, but also, if you're going, what is headstand in Pilates? Like, I really am so grateful that Jay Grimes and all the teachers that he taught who have been in my life have helped me understand how to, like, build someone up to an exercise versus take an exercise down to a client. Yeah, sure. And so that's what I teach people at eLevate, which is my mentorship program. So that's really where I can help you with the headstand, because one session I could probably give you some homework, but if you're not ready for headstand, we're not doing headstand. I'm not going to bring an exercise down to you. I'm going to bring you up to an exercise. So I would need to see you move and then go, are you even ready for this? Is it an exercise that's right for you? It's also okay for it actually not to be right for you. You guys like, it's really okay for you to go, that's, that exercise is not right for me. Like, tendon stretch in the reformer if you've got tight hamstrings. We're not doing that today. We got to work on opening those hamstrings up and finding more strength, and (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 10:03  

That takes, like, a week, right? Yeah, yeah.

Lesley Logan 10:05  

Yeah, like, a thousand weeks, you know? So, so am I good at it? And do I teach on Zoom? I teach eLevate via zoom, and you can come in person. Do I teach private clients on Zoom? It's rare that someone outside of my eLevate group gets a Zoom call. That doesn't mean you won't. Doesn't mean you won't, but I'm just telling you like, I don't got a lot of hours in the day to teach people, but my eLevators always get an opportunity to work with me, either privately or in a group. 2025 eLevate is sold out. So.

Brad Crowell 10:35  

It is, I know, that's insane. 

Lesley Logan 10:37  

So you can get on the waitlist or you can grab 2026. All that being said, I also do have a workshop called Bottoms Up. And while I don't break down headstand in that workshop on OPC, it absolutely will help you with the idea of how to break down this exercise. And I do have the headstand tutorials up on YouTube. It's free. (inaudible) flashcards. 

Brad Crowell 10:57  

We also have breaking down advanced exercises. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

Guide, which is free. 

Brad Crowell 11:00  

Yeah. So we'll put the links to all three of those in the show notes. 

Lesley Logan 11:05  

But Joann, if you and a bunch of people want to explore this, obviously, I don't want you to wait till 2026, let's talk. But also, please ask yourself, everyone, before you're like, oh my God, look at that party trick. You gotta ready yourself for that party trick. So you've got to be obsessed with the foundations of Pilates. If you really think you're advanced, then a beginner class should feel hard, because you have, you are actually bringing all of your body to those beginner exercises. Because I actually would say that there is no such thing as beginner exercise. There are exercises that beginners can do. 

Brad Crowell 11:37  

I mean, there's also variations on the headstand, so some of them are really intense. 

Lesley Logan 11:41  

Yes, today, I incorporated, I actually faced I did the facing up today. I took it out of my practice for about six months, and I showed it to my teacher, and he's like, do this. And I did what he said, and it was fucking 10 times better. It all was. It's like focusing my eyes was insane. But when I took it out six months ago, I was doing things to build it back up into my practice. I got to build myself up to it. So, some exercises I don't do because I'm not ready for him yet, or, or like my body is on a pause on that, you know. So it's okay for that. All right, let's talk about Andrew Fix.

Brad Crowell 12:18  

All right. Now, let's talk about Dr. Andrew Fix. Dr. Fix is a doctor of physical therapy and an expert in running and lifting-related injuries. He helps run a performance-based physical therapy practice that focuses on helping clients recover from pain and get back to the activities they love through his method, his process of the three R's, reset, restore and reload. Andrew also co-hosts The Code: A guide to Health and Human Performance Podcast where he discusses optimizing health through sleep, nutrition and movement. Yeah, really cool. It's exciting that he took a chance, moved across the country and opened his own business. We're all about that. 

Lesley Logan 12:57  

Yeah, I know. I just think that's what a, that's a big deal. It's not easy. You know, one of the things I think about is like, people like, oh, I can't do that here. And I'm like, why are you there? When people fight us on the limitations of doing their business where they are, I'm just kind of like, but why are you there, then? Like, are you married to that place? Because you can rent your home out now, it's so much easier to relocate than it ever once was. And people need Pilates everywhere. So I'm just saying, if you're frustrated where you are, you could be like, Andrew, you just move. 

Lesley Logan 13:26  

So one of the things I really like that we talked about is the mind is such a powerful tool as he said. So he said, If you keep telling yourself, I'm the person with the bad back, or I'm this, you are actually reinforcing it. And this is so true, because you guys, when I study mindset, the thing about your mind is it actually is listening to you and you really don't want your mind to go on its own thing. That would be really bad. That would be like.

Brad Crowell 13:54  

What do you mean on its own thing (inaudible)?

Lesley Logan 13:56  

So like, if you tell yourself, I have a bad back, you don't let your mind go let me show you how good your back is. You don't want your mind to go rogue on you, because then, like you're you the person, are not in control. You're actually controlling your mind. You're in control of the thoughts you have. I would hate for me to go, uh, I'm the most amazing person in the world and my mind goes, here's 17 reasons you're not. You don't want that as your mind. You don't want, that's not what you want.

Brad Crowell 14:17  

But that's, I'm so confused. 

Lesley Logan 14:19  

Why? How are you confused? 

Brad Crowell 14:21  

You're saying the opposite of the thing.

Lesley Logan 14:23  

No. So, he said, the mind is a powerful tool. If you tell yourself, I have a bad back, it reinforces it. And I'm saying it's so true. When I study mindset, there's little science that shows that your brain does not go rogue on you. If you say, I have a bad back, it doesn't say, let me show you how amazing your back is. 

Brad Crowell 14:39  

Okay, all right, you don't want it to be the opposite of what you're thinking it is. 

Lesley Logan 14:43  

Right.

Brad Crowell 14:43  

Okay, that's why I completely lost this (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 14:45  

Because that would be, that would not be great if your mind went rogue and did its own thing. You would want to go left and your mind's going, we're going right, like that would be a waste of time. You'd be in an argument with yourself all of the time. So, so we reinforce it. Also, I just studied. Shout out to Mariska Breland. I just studied her. 

Brad Crowell 15:02  

Who?

Lesley Logan 15:03  

Mariska Breland, Mariska, maybe it's Mariska Breland. Maybe I'm saying Marishka because of Law and Order, her name is Mariska. Anyways, she's amazing. She's lovely. I've met her many times. She's a great teacher. But I was studying, I was watching her workshop on fear in movement. It's called kinesiophobia. Kinesiophobia. It's an actual thing of people who are afraid to move. And the thing is, is, if you're like, oh my god, it hurts when I do that, then you don't do it. So then when you go to do it, it hurts when you do it, because you haven't been doing it. And so we just reinforce ourselves. And so he said, you are always going to have a bad back because that's what you keep telling yourself, and also because of your, because you tell yourself that, then you don't do the things that would actually help your back out. Because you're like, I have a bad back, and so you're not strengthening your core, you're not challenging things. You are just kind of staying in that thing. And he said, to change the narratives, like, I used to have pain, but I'm doing things to improve it, so I can do X, Y and Z in the future, there's actual and because I just dodged this workshop, there is a lot of science in the power of positivity and reframing. I'm not able to do this today. For example, Joann with the headstand. She can't. If she walked away and said, I can't do a headstand, she'll never do a headstand. But if she says, I'm not able to do a headstand yet, and I'm working on doing X, Y and Z, she is preparing her mind for being able to do a headstand. She's telling her mind it's going to be a thing we're gonna have, we're gonna get there. And because it's so positive, and because she's actually proclaiming that these things are there, you're allowing space for your body to feel safe in the practice of getting the thing.

Brad Crowell 16:32  

Yeah, I can totally relate to this, too. Because when I was younger, my mom told me, oh, we have very limber bodies. And because we have very limber bodies, we just always have back pain. That was her lived experience. She was in a car accident when she was a kid, and for 20-plus years, had really, really challenging back problems, and she was always like the athlete, but was the skinny kid athlete, right? Never, she could be blown over. And the same thing for me when I got on the soccer field, when I got in high school, I was muscled off the ball all the time because I was too skinny. And I was like, I guess this is just how I'm always going to be. And then when I moved to Los Angeles, I slept on the floor because I didn't have the money to buy a $5,000 mattress, so I figured it would be better for my body if I slept on a hard surface, so I slept on the floor. And I told myself that for years, I slept on the floor for four years, and that's because I was like, the floor is better than any shitty bed I'm going to be able to afford, so I'm just going to sleep on the floor. Now, I probably could have slept on a futon, but I didn't. I think it was also a little bit of pride in there, because it's quite a story to tell. But the story I told myself was like, I'm always going to be weak. I'm always going to have this back pain. It didn't even change when I got started doing yoga, until it changed, and all of a sudden I was like, oh, I don't hurt it anymore. This is crazy, right? I didn't even it wasn't like my mindset changed. It was like, my my physical I wanted to do something so much that I actually my body changed after doing it and then I was like, oh, I don't have to be in pain every day. I'm not in pain right now. This is crazy. 

Lesley Logan 18:09  

Yeah and that because, that desire to want something helps people get around the limitations that they have. And by the way. 

Brad Crowell 18:15  

Well, I think you could do it opposite the way I do. I fell in love with the idea of doing yoga before I realized that that would help my back. 

Lesley Logan 18:22  

Yeah, you totally can. And I think we're not saying, you guys, that all of your pain is thought into your body, or told into your body, like, obviously, like, real accidents, injuries have happened, but you have to just be mindful of how you're talking about yourself, because your body is listening.

Brad Crowell 18:38  

Yeah, yeah, it totally is. 

Lesley Logan 18:40  

All right. What'd you love? 

Brad Crowell 18:41  

All right. So what I really found interesting, intriguing, in fact, because this is not the way that I've always thought about it, is he basically was saying, when it comes to surgery and making decisions that seem like they're going to change everything, which surgery certainly can change everything in a good or a bad way. Often people are told, hey, you can build muscle around this instead of having a surgery, because you don't want to, you know, have the surgery now and then hurt it again, and then have to have another one later, or whatever. And he said he kind of focuses on the quality of life. If the injury that you're having is preventing you from doing the activity that you enjoyed, then he would rather have the surgery twice than wait. You know, preferred addressing the issue when, when it impacts his ability to do the activity he enjoyed. For my sister, she was a semi-pro soccer player. She was like, on the path and like trying to go do that professionally, and she had an ACL tear. That one was pretty clear she can't, literally couldn't walk properly if she didn't have the surgery. And so, you know, she had the surgery, and then from there, she went back and did a long amount of rehab, and then started playing soccer again, until another one down the road did happen and that she decided, okay, we're done doing this. But the reality is she probably could have lived around for a long time before having the surgery later on, whenever that is, or whatever, but she wouldn't have been able to go back and continue playing at all, or coaching or doing any of the things that bring her joy. I think another example would be like Lori on the OPC platform. She was in a car accident and had to have her spine fused, and that's a scary thing, like having your vertebrae fused can become a very limiting problem, but had she not, she would have been living in incredible amount of pain, and what she's been able to persevere despite having a fusion has led to an amazing life.

Lesley Logan 20:42  

Right? And I just think I really like this, because it's like, how long have you been, like, dealing with it, dealing with, insert, the issue with your body, ache and pain, some sort of limitation, and is it keeping you from saying yes to things that you want to say yes to? Are you not putting things on your vision board? Are you not going on a trip? Are you on the trip and everyone goes up and you just stay there? If that's you, then it may be worth looking at the support that can help you. Now, you might be like Lesley and Brad and Dr. Andrew, like the if I get the surgery, then I can't actually do these things, because it will fuse me, or it will do this. Then guess what? He said, quality of life, and if it's gonna affect all about you, then you don't do the surgery. You can actually take his advice and use it both ways. 

Brad Crowell 21:27  

Yeah, I was thinking about your dad too, because, you know, he's 72 and his knees aren't exciting and.

Lesley Logan 21:33  

I know. Him not wanting to get an MRI, because he doesn't want to know what it is. 

Brad Crowell 21:36  

He doesn't even want to know what the problem is. Because, you know, and that, that is a bummer to me, because if we, if he was going to have the surgery, especially where he's at in his stage of life, I would argue the sooner, the better, because he's going to recover better. Now imagine if he's to wait five years. 

Lesley Logan 21:50  

Or even if he, I told him we don't have to do surgery, we could just find out what's going on, and then we can know what muscles to strengthen, like even. 

Brad Crowell 21:58  

Well, those are, these are two different arguments. But yeah, I agree. I mean, I couldn't agree more. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 22:04  

You just need information, you have to get the information. Can't be scared of the information. I get it. I don't. I don't know why all of us are like I don't I want to go. I don't want to know, because then I might be dying.

Brad Crowell 22:15  

You're still gonna die. 

Lesley Logan 22:16  

You're still gonna die. And wouldn't you like to know, because then you maybe you go to fucking Fiji. I don't know. 

Brad Crowell 22:20  

Yeah, it's that, too. 

Lesley Logan 22:21  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 22:22  

Well, anyway, you know, I think he kind of summed it up, saying, sometimes we push past this tipping point where our quality of life really deteriorates because of the pain, and it probably would have been better to just get the surgery like five years before. So, you know, it's a very interesting perspective. I don't think that that's the perspective of everybody of all physios, because sometimes surgery can have negative effects, but also.

Lesley Logan 22:44  

I am having problems with my wrists and the doctors did not want me to have surgery. And I said, but I'm limited. I'm 21 years old, and I have pain flare ups, and I'm limited to using my arm, which is affecting my core, because it's actually making me have a functional scoliosis that I don't have. I was like, it is limiting me. If I have the surgery, will the pain go away? And, like, we think so. I'm like, then I would like to do it. So I don't care that only every other week for one day I can't use my arm. No, I want to have my arm every day of the week. And so I fought with them, and they said, well, we want to do one more test. When they did that one more test, guess what? They're like, oh, you need surgery. I'm like. So think about your quality of life and how you want to live it, and then advocate for yourself in that way, either way, that it is. 

Brad Crowell 22:46  

Dig it. All right, stick around we'll be right back. We're going to cover those Be It Action Items from Dr. Andrew Fix. 

Brad Crowell 23:11  

All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Andrew Fix? He said most people think that pain is one of the reasons why they don't sleep well, and he argues it's the exact opposite. He said research shows our shitty sleep is the reason that we have pain. Because obviously what I did find interesting is he said we are meant to sleep approximately one-third of our lives. one-third of our lives we are meant to sleep. 

Lesley Logan 24:05  

Brad, did you hear that? Did you hear yourself say it? 

Brad Crowell 24:07  

I don't even understand what that means. I'm lucky if I'm sleeping 25% of my life, but one-third of, he said one-third of our lives, so that we can perform better during the other two-thirds, right? So when we don't sleep well our nervous system does not recover or repair itself, and then we have a pain processing problem where our nervous system doesn't know how to interpret the things that are going on because we have not rested and recovered. So he said you are more likely to have pain if you're not sleeping well. So that's interesting. So to reduce pain, prioritize getting quality sleep, to help your body recover and repair itself. Who knew? 

Lesley Logan 24:47  

I love it. 

Brad Crowell 24:47  

I mean, it's pretty fucking logical. 

Lesley Logan 24:49  

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.

Brad Crowell 24:51  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 24:51  

So he had another Be It Action Item which was, if something was working for you, if something's not serving you, use your mind, plan things out, and also follow your gut. So like, we know we're like this, something doesn't feel right, and we kind of just like, push through, push through. And he is saying, no, use your mind and then make a plan and stick with following your gut. So a lot of times, you will share your plan with people, or you'll like, oh, that's not going to work, but it worked for this person. But if your gut's saying, I think I need to do this, I think, like, he's saying, follow that. That's part of your Be It Action Item. And what's super cool is, well, actually, we've talked about Lori already. So Lori was having a hip thing, and her doctors were saying, like, oh, it's coming from this nerve in your back. And she's like, no, no, I don't think so. And so she was doing PT, and she's like, it's like, making things worse. So it's not working for her. It's not serving her. And so she kind of did some research, figured out, and she went in with a plan, going with her gut. She's like, this isn't working. Here's where that nerve runs, and here's where that should cause pain. I'm having it here. So it's got to be something different. And so they made another plan for her. And so I think that's really, really cool. So she already did this Be It Action Item, everyone. So, you know, go Lori, but I think it's just really, I really, I really like this, too often we kind of just push through, even though we have something like niggling inside, going, don't do it. 

Brad Crowell 26:07  

Yeah, my, my mom had a crazy situation when she was a child. She was a teen, I think. Her finger got smashed in our garage door. Like, completely flat and, yeah, like, terrifying. And she gets rushed to the ER, basically alone, and the doctor came in and said here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna blah-blah-blah, and she looked at him, and she was like, uh, we're not gonna do that. I don't know, whatever you just said, but I don't agree. And she's like, 15 or whatever. I don't know. She's a teen. She's like, argue with a doctor, like, don't touch me, right? And then her parents got there, and they had a conversation. She talked about the whole thing with them, and they ended up doing something else. But she was like, no, I don't even remember what it was like, we're gonna amputate. She's like, hell no. Like, I don't think that's what the problem is, but whatever it was she said, I don't think so. In fact, also too, we just had another conversation just yesterday with a friend of ours. She has been going to a chiropractor for a long time, and her chiropractor was not available during her session for whatever reason, and one of the other chiropractors came in and she said, I'm so sorry. I don't feel comfortable working with you. I'm sorry. You know, so she didn't want to be adjusted by someone else, and that's okay, you know? That's okay to feel that, understand that, and be like, no, so.

Lesley Logan 27:21  

I also think we have to like, that needs to be normalized. And if you are in some way advocate for yourself in the medical world, and please listen to Lindsay Moore's episode. Listen to the one where they had Jessica Valant. You are not rude, you are not an asshole, you're not a bitch, you're not any of these things. If you are like, I just don't really like this situation. Like, I'm not liking this situation, you don't even have to have a good excuse. Like, if your gut's just like, this is not right. I don't want to do this. It's totally okay to say you know what? Actually, I'm gonna pause, I'm gonna skip this. And I know it's frustrating. I know there's copays, but like, honestly, you'll be in the grand scheme of things, you, you might not know what you just saved yourself from, and that's okay. We don't need to. Like, your gut instinct is really important, and you can fine-tune things along the way. Is what he said. It doesn't have to be perfect. You don't have to have it all figured out when you get to do these things.

Brad Crowell 28:13  

Yeah, and we just gave a whole bunch of examples of how trusting your gut to say no. But there's also the other way around, where you're like, I know this is the right thing, and I can keep going. So we have this really weird innate ability to be in tune. You know, our body is like telling us, but we actually have to tune into that. Our mind has to pay attention to that. So pay attention. It's important. All right. 

Lesley Logan 28:34  

I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 28:35  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 28:35  

Thank you so much for listening. Please leave us a review. I had someone ask, once I can't figure out how to leave a review. So here's the deal. Spotify makes it a little easier. You might just have to search. How do I leave a review on whatever platform you listen to this on, but if you're on Apple, they make it fucking ridiculous.

Brad Crowell 28:50  

Yeah. You got to go to the show. 

Lesley Logan 28:52  

You have to go to the actual show. 

Brad Crowell 28:53  

And then you have to scroll down. 

Lesley Logan 28:54  

And then you scroll down. 

Brad Crowell 28:55  

It will show you like the most recent six episodes or something. And then beneath that you'll see. 

Lesley Logan 28:59  

You'll see some stars that you can like tap (inaudible) and then you'll and then you'll see, write a review. 

Brad Crowell 29:04  

That's what we need, write a review. 

Lesley Logan 29:07  

And then write a review. And that would be great. All right, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 29:12  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 29:14  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 29:56  

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Brad Crowell 30:05  

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Lesley Logan 30:13  

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Brad Crowell 30:16  

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Are you delaying taking care of your health? Guest speaker Dr. Andrew Fix, a leading physical therapist and owner of Physio Room, shares the benefits of proactive healthcare and injury prevention. He discusses a 'quality over quantity' approach to physical therapy, emphasizing the importance of early intervention to prevent long-term damage and maintain strength as we age. Learn how the right mindset and proactive care can improve your physical well-being, with tips for staying active, building strength, and recognizing when to seek help to manage and reduce pain effectively.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Physio Room’s approach goes beyond symptoms for a full recovery experience.
• Why motivation and mindset are key to a faster and effective recovery.
• Reframing pain to break the cycle of chronic discomfort and suffering.
• Andrew's 3-step process addresses root causes and prevents future issues.
• Risks of delaying treatment and how early action leads to better outcomes.
• Staying active improves long-term health and prevents future injuries.
• Why proper nutrition and sleep are vital for healing and overall wellness.

Episode References/Links:

• Dr. Andrew Fix Instagram
• Physio Room Instagram
• Physio Room Website
• The Code: A Guide to Health and Human Performance

Guest Bio:

Dr. Andrew Fix is a Doctor of Physical Therapy and the Director of Clinical Operations at Physio Room, where he specializes in helping active adults and adolescents recover from running and lifting-related injuries. With a board certification in orthopedic physical therapy and an orthopedic residency under his belt, Andrew focuses on empowering patients to regain confidence in their bodies and return to the activities they love, pain-free. He is also an expert in lifestyle management, providing guidance on essential aspects like sleep, movement, nutrition, and stress management. Outside of his clinical practice, Andrew enjoys hiking, running, and resistance training, and values time spent with his wife, family, and friends.

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Episode Transcript:

Dr. Andrew Fix 0:00  

I've always been of the mindset, though, that it's a quality of life thing, as soon as my quality of life starts to decline enough, right, to a certain point where, okay, I can't do the things that I really want to be doing, I'm going to go seek out that potential solution to the problem.

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  

Lesley Logan 0:57  

All right, Be It babe. Here we go. We got a health and wellness talk for you. This is going to be great. This is, you know, ladies and the few good men who listen, I just want to say, like, I know how busy you are, I know how much you got on your plate, and I know you have ignored an ache or a pain for longer than you should. And today's guest is Dr. Andrew Fix he's from the Physio Room, and he also has an amazing podcast. And what we're talking about today is hopefully the pep talk you need to take care of the body that you have. And it's really, really, really cool what he's doing. And also we got to really talk about, like, the things that we can all be doing to take care of the vessels these bodies that we have so we can grow older and stronger. And Dr Marie Claire said on a podcast, she's like, well, everything we do is to stay out of hospice like out of an old folks home. And that's really it. Like, you know, I'm not trying to be dark here. I'm 41 and I know I have at least 40 plus years of life ahead of me, and I want to live all of those like as actively as possible on my own, and I'm sure you do too. I'm sure that no one is like, yeah, I can't wait till I'm in the old folks home. But every time we delay supporting our bodies and getting what they need, we are chipping away at that goal. So here is Dr. Andrew Fix. 

Lesley Logan 2:17  

All right, Be It babe. I'm really excited. Actually, we're gonna have a really fun conversation with our guest today, because, well, this person does things in life that I actually really like, I subscribe to, and also has a really great mindset that I think we all are gonna agree about, and all just need the reminder. So Dr. Andrew Fix is in the house today. Andrew, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Dr. Andrew Fix 2:37  

Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me, Lesley, appreciate being here and it's fun when we get two podcasters together. As you said, my name is Dr. Andrew Fix. Please call me Andrew. I am a physical therapist. I reside here, right outside of Denver, Colorado and I help run a practice called Physio Room. So we have a very fitness-forward, performance-based physical therapy practice, and our goal is to help people reset, restore, reload, and get back to the things that they love to do, whether or not that involves them, working with us in person, working with us virtually, however, that process takes place, and what we really pride ourselves on is this quality over quantity approach, and we don't let the red tape and the strings tied with healthcare in this country hold us back from helping people achieve the outcomes that they're looking for. 

Lesley Logan 3:20  

Oh I love that. You're speaking my language. I say though, I'm a Pilates instructor, and the way that I teach Pilates, which is, you'll know you're in a great class if everything is three to five reps, because it is quality movement over quantity of movement. So you find yourself doing 10 to 15 of the same thing you're doing a metabolic workout. So I love that. So I guess I want to start with, like, how did you do that? And, you know, because I don't know that we have all these physical therapists listening, but we have a lot of people who've tried to go to physical therapists. You get your, if you're, you have to wait for the script to get the script. You go there. You go there for your knee, but your hips are also hurting, but they can only do the knee, because that's what the thing says. So like, how did, how did you work around that, and how did you get here?

Dr. Andrew Fix 4:03  

Yeah, you just make me chuckle having that conversation, because it's one that we know all too well. And I love that you said people that have are listening probably have tried physical therapy before, because I think a lot of times that's what it is, right? Somebody goes to physical therapy, or, I shouldn't even say, goes, they go see their physician, they get a referral for physical therapy, and oftentimes the physician that they saw says, well, why don't you just go try physical therapy? Like, they say it in a way that they're not even expecting it to help, as opposed to just saying, like, go do this, and I expect this to help you feel better. They say, why don't you just go try it? So many times, people's mindset is already made up. They're not really expecting it to help when they even walk in the door, they even walk in the door and they didn't want to be there anyways. And that's the type of office that I spent the first half of my career in. Was the more traditional office where clients are coming in with that referral. They're utilizing their health insurance. And like you said, we have to work on the thing that the referral says, the knee, the back, the whatever they were sent in for. But if that individual comes into the office with a different complaint on a particular day, the insurance company doesn't want us working on those things, right? If someone's coming in for their neck, but now they sprained their ankle yesterday on a hike, we're not supposed to work on their ankle. So what I decided to do, after starting to work with a few clients out of the office and more of a fitness training capacity is I decided to leave that side of the industry, and rather than try to make the more traditional office, a traditional just decided to walk away from that enjoying a practice physio room where we work mostly on the out of network side with health insurance. And by doing so, we don't allow the insurance companies to dictate the care that the clients receive in our office. And 99% of the people that come in to work with us are doing that on their own accord. They're choosing to do that. They're finding us, direct access, meaning like they're not coming because they received a script from the physician. They're coming because they heard about us from their friend, their family member, online, whatever that was, and they're choosing to come work with us to help get through past an issue that they're dealing with and get back to the activities that they love to do, and because they want to be there, and they made the choice, it is so much more fun for us to work with motivated people that want to be addressing the thing, and not just someone who was there because their primary care doctor sent them in.

Lesley Logan 6:19  

I, okay, there's something that came to my mind. It's like, remember when you're like, your parents would like, make you go to a sport and you didn't love it, but if you chose it, it was way more exciting. Like, I think the work you're doing is, one, it's rewarding because you can do what's needed to be done, but then also the people who are doing it want to be there, and they're not coming out, like, this is something I gotta do, and maybe it'll work. I fractured my tibial plateau running, but I'm a hyper, I have hypermobile knees, and so actually, tore nothing. So I had a really great as far as recovery goes. I just couldn't walk on it for, like, it was gonna be up to 12 weeks, but at eight weeks, I was able to practice walking. And the surgeon said to me, because he knows I'm a Pilates instructor, and he was really excited. He was like, wow, out of all the knee injury people I have, you've, like, actually stayed, like, he looked at me, and he's like, you've stayed in the shape that you were in. Like, my right leg had lost a ton of muscle and everything, but as far as the rest of me goes, had kept my strength. I said, well, I do Pilates every day because I told me I couldn't put weight on it, but I could do a lot of things, opening weight on it. But he sent me to physical therapist like, you could try it. You'll see what happens. 

Dr. Andrew Fix 7:25  

It's so common. 

Lesley Logan 7:25  

It's so common. And you know what? Of course, I went and I was like, this isn't, this isn't, hey, it was, this is not helping me. And I did my own, my own work on my own, which is like, not something that many physical therapists wants to hear, but it is the attitude of what is being told to us. And I think like, attitude is such an important thing. So the people are coming to you or coming to the attitude of, like, I heard you can help me. And so then they're more likely to, hopefully, do their homework

Dr. Andrew Fix 7:51  

Absolutely. Well, they're more likely to do it because they want to be there. They made the choice. They're also more likely to do it. People don't want to hear this part of it, but the fact that we work with insurance companies in the way that we do on the out of network side, meaning like we are not accepting the rates that insurance companies say that we're worth. We're setting our own rates. We're helping clients potentially try to get a refund back from their insurance company on the back end, but we're not waiting for the insurance company to pay us. So since the client is paying money in the office, they're more likely to do the things that we ask them to do because they're financially involved in it. There's their skin in the game and it's amazing just moving from the more traditional office to this one, the amount of compliance that there is with clients doing the homework things that we ask them to do. And once you know the results come right along with that. And then I think a lot of times, one of the reasons that people get bored or don't want to go to the more traditional physical therapy office is because they feel like they're just doing the same thing every time they go in. You know, it's I'm coming in two or three times a week for eight weeks, I'm doing the same little band exercises every time I go. And that's exactly the opposite of what happens in our office, where, when someone comes in, we're gonna try and do an awesome job assessing not just their knee but their whole body.

Lesley Logan 9:08  

Like, what, why, what's going on with the rest of the body that screwed the knee up in the first place? 

Dr. Andrew Fix 9:12  

Yes, exactly. Like, if we don't get down to like, what are the root cause items here that are causing your symptoms in the first place, then we haven't done our job. So that's what we're going to try to do, and we're going to try to address and we use a three-step process we call reset, restore, reload, meaning like we got to put the fire out and calm things down, we need to address the root cause, and then we need to prevent it from coming back and work back to performance and resilience. And what we want to do, we see people less frequently because they're doing the things we ask them to do. So we don't have to see them three times a week. We see them once a week, or even less than that, and then each time they come in, we're trying to move the needle forward. So you're not going to just keep doing the same exercises for weeks and weeks and weeks on end. We're going to progress as if possible, each time you come in to new, more challenging things.

Lesley Logan 9:58  

I love that. Okay, so. I want to talk to the people who may not be bought into getting help for themselves, like their pain isn't bad enough yet they, but, and they also, they kind of become like their pain or their ache or their imbalance becomes like a part of them. It's part of their identity. You know, for example, I have hypermobility in some of my joints. If I were to walk around and just go like, ah, I'm hypermobile. That's just me. It's, I'm just gonna have aches and pains because I'm hypermobile, right? That kind of person, can we talk about how our attitude around the pain or the imbalance, or the thing that we have, if we make it our identity, how that can affect our healing and our future? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Dr. Andrew Fix 10:40  

Yeah, I do. And I think I used to be one of these people. I've dealt with a really, really chronic Achilles problem for years, and up until very, very recently, there was like a three-year period where I had stopped running because my Achilles was stopping me from doing it. And I kind of started to get into this mindset of, well, I'm just going to have this Achilles problem for so long because I, knowing what I know, have struggled to get it to feel better. I have gone down pretty much everything besides an Achilles repair, from a medical management standpoint. But then recently, through some consistency and starting to just get back to the activities that I was avoiding, I've started to have more success, and it's actually feeling better, and I'm back to doing those things, and it's starting to change my mindset around it, because I was getting discouraged. So I think the mind is such a powerful tool. And what's that saying? Like you are the average of the five people you spend the most time around. Well, what's also going to happen is the more you keep telling yourself something, of course, you're going to be that, right? If you keep telling yourself, well, I'm the woman or the man with the bad back, well then you're always going to have a bad back, because that's what you keep telling yourself every single day. If we can flip that story around and say, yeah, I used to have back pain, but I'm doing the things to improve it so that in the future, I can do x, y and z, then you can start to change that narrative for yourself. But you mentioned pain. Pain is a big motivator for people, and a lot of times we don't get the opportunity to work with them until their pain is bad enough. And sometimes there's just something nagging there, but it's more uncomfortable, or it's like a bigger step for the person to take the leap to do something about it than to just keep dealing with it. So a lot of times that is the motivator, like it just finally goes past that threshold where now they have to do something about it, or it's an event is coming up, like a kid is getting married, and their knee pain has, you know, they're afraid it's going to stop them from walking down the aisle or dancing or standing at their daughter's wedding. And unfortunately, that's the case, that those big things have to be the motivator, when, from my perspective, in our profession, oh, it's so much easier if we can just work on these things sooner, and if we can see a person immediately when something starts bothering them, or within, like, a few days, it is so much faster to clear up. They get to go back to the things they want to do so much quicker, without as much, and it costs less too. So, I mean, there's really no reason not to, but yeah, sometimes that motivation (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 12:58  

That costs less is a key, you guys. And also, like, you get more out of your life. It's really funny. We, I said, I have people come to me at 60 and they're like, I need a, I have shoulder pain and I have back pain and I want to work on my posture. And I'm like, so here's the deal. Would have been really awesome if we'd start this at 40. Just gonna be really honest, like, there's only so much I can do with you at this moment in our life, because if you wait till it gets bad enough there's more damage than if it was just, like, in that, the chain reaction has gone down. I had a client who she had something along with one of her knees, like, went inward when she walked, and she had this major pain and I was like, babe, I think, like, there's not much I can do here. Here's what I can do. I can strengthen the muscles around it. I can strengthen this. But, like, that's surgical. You're gonna need to do it. She's like, well, my doctor wants to wait until the pain is worse. And I'm like, I would get a new doctor. I can see you need surgery. I can see it. And she's like, well, I want to wait until it's bad enough. And I said, okay, just so you know you're only going to be this young today. Every year you wait, you're older and your recovery takes longer. And sure enough, what ended up happening is, by the time she had surgery on her bad knee, she had to have surgery six months later on the good one. Right? Because she overused it like it took on so much work at the end, and so she ended up having two knee surgeries. You know?

Dr. Andrew Fix 14:15  

Well, I don't know if it was. It sounds like maybe that was like a knee replacement that that person was having or something. And I've always been of the mindset. I have had, you know, a few surgeries myself, so I anticipate that I'm going to need a hip replacement surgery in the future, because I've had multiple hip surgeries now. And, I mean, that's one of the things that just makes it more likely that that joint is going to have significant arthritis later. If you've had significant injury or trauma to it, or if you've had a surgery before, it's likely you'll get bad arthritis in that joint. Don't worry. That's not the end of the world, because that doesn't mean we can't do things. So, I've always been of the mindset, though, that it's a quality of life thing. As soon as my quality of life starts to decline enough, right, to a certain point where, okay, I can't do the things that I really want to be doing, I'm going to go seek out that potential solution to the problem, and if that means that I have to have my hip replaced twice in my lifetime because I want to be doing these higher level things, well then I'll just do that, rather than wait so long and just deal with it so that I only have to have that surgery once. But that's a lot of times what the surgeons are trying to do is they're trying to push people later in age so that they only have to do that procedure one time. And I think sometimes we push past this tipping point on the quality of life, or the quality of life is declining so much that probably would have been better just to get that surgery five years before that. 

Lesley Logan 15:33  

Yeah, I like what you're talking about. I think it's really interesting. So many people want to put things off, I guess, ok, since you've been doing this for a really long time. Maybe what we can also talk about is, what have you seen people's quality of life or maybe like, what they've missed out on, in waiting to get help, in waiting until the pain is bad enough, you know, and I'm not talking surgeries, I'm talking like going and getting physical therapy, working with someone who actually is trying to bring their body back to balance. What are people missing out on? What have you seen?

Dr. Andrew Fix 16:03  

Yeah, and this has become even so much more relevant over the past five or six months. My wife and I have a five-month-old son, and like, I see so many clients, my colleagues see so many clients, or I've seen in my career too, at other clinics that I've worked at, just people who are unable to participate in the activities with their kids and their families that you know, mentally and emotionally they want to be doing, but physically, they just can't do it. And many of those reasons are because they've prioritized other things over their health, right? They've prioritized work or they've prioritized something else, and they've let their health continue to slip and slip and slip to the point where now you can't go out and play with your kids, or it's like, you know, it's Thanksgiving, and your kids, or your nieces and nephews and things, they want to go play football or something. And it's like, you know, I can't do that. I can't throw the ball. My shoulder is no good. I can't run around anymore. And now that we have a son, I mean, my goal is to continue being as active as possible and kicking his butt and all the different sports and activities for as long as I possibly can. So if anyone were to ask me, like, well, what are you training for? Why are you working so hard to keep yourself in shape? Aren't you already fit enough? It's like, well, no, because he's going to grow up and he's going to want to do things, and as long as possible, I want to be able to tell him yes whenever he wants to do something. So I think that's maybe the biggest thing, is they miss out on just the activities that require some physical capability with their kids and with their family. One other thing that I think is based on putting things off is we spend a lot of time here in the United States focusing on work, work, work, work, work, work, and not enough play in taking care of ourselves, and we have very sedentary jobs that most people do, where we're sitting around a lot, and we're paying the price from a physical standpoint. And then I see a lot of people who are older coming into physical therapy, and they've waited until they retired to be able to try and go do the things with their life that they want to do, but now physically, they can't enjoy the trips or the vacations or the whatever, because, because they can't do the things on those trips that they would have been able to do, like, 30 years ago or now, if they would have just worked really hard to keep themselves physically capable to do those things. So that's one thing I'm trying to, you know, battle as well. Like, I'm not going to wait until I retire to go take the trip of my life when I don't know what I'm going to be able to physically do, but I'm going to work darn hard to keep, you know, keep my body able to do things for as long as possible. 

Lesley Logan 18:29  

Yeah, I think that's very true, like I do. I have very active parents, and it wasn't like they were super I mean, my mom was young. She was 20 when I was born, and 21 and my dad was, I know it's 30 though, right? And so like, but he was such an athlete that he just kept it up. And I was just listening to this amazing orthopedic surgeon who's talking about how they have actual studies, they have actual research that says, if you are active and if you are keeping your body strong, you actually do not slow down until your 70s. So they were able to take runners, people who are runners, there as a collegiate sport, professional runners and stuff like that, and they were actually able to follow them over decades, and they had them run a mile. And the 50-year-old was only 30 seconds slower than like a teenager, like he was still, no one got lapped. The 70-year-old was slower, but still wasn't lapped, it wasn't like he was so slow that they were catching up to him. And so what she said is like, if we actually train our bodies to be strong, we can stay that strong in our 70s, and you don't have to have the bone problems and the heart problems and the other problems that we are hearing from people. But if you are sedentary your most of your life, which apparently like people are now sitting up to 14 hours a day, it's just so crazy to me that what is happening is they're, that they're having cardiovascular problems, and they're having these imbalances, and then they miss a step because they don't have stability in their hips and their ankles, and then bad things happen. And then, and then it's like, well, they probably need to see you now, but they probably need to see you before, because they didn't have the stability in the first place.

Dr. Andrew Fix 20:06  

Yeah, yeah. And so true. And, you know, I just get jazzed up hearing you talk about running, because if there's any subset of clients out there, or people that I feel very much like I'm an expert in, it's the running community. And running is one of those sports where, like you said, the level of ability does not drop off until you get quite old, like we were just watching the Olympics earlier today and watching Simone Biles and Suni Lee and these amazing gymnasts do these crazy things. You're not going to probably see 50-year-old gymnasts doing that type of stuff. But take marathon running or something, for example. Like the top times for 50-year-olds are really not that different than the top times for 20-year-olds or 25-year-olds. They're very close to the same. And it's not until later that you start to see those declining. And it is so much harder to build muscle and build your aerobic capacity, your V02 max, to improve your heart health later in life than it is to build it now and maintain it for years to come. Like, it's so much easier to maintain the muscle mass that you already have on your frame, then build it later down the road. So, like, whatever we can do, whether that's, you know, resistance training, cardiovascular things like Pilates, to get ourselves into good physical condition and then work to just maintain that, you're going to be so much better off down the road.

Lesley Logan 21:21  

Yeah. I agree. I think if you don't use it, you lose it. But if you don't get it, it's really hard to get. 

Dr. Andrew Fix 21:27  

It's really hard to get. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 21:28  

Yeah. I have some questions for you, since you're like, an expert in all these things, I guess, like the be it till you see it, the act as if you know, if we want to be strong, healthy, agile, older adults in our lives. What are some of the things you wished your people were doing before they came to you?

Dr. Andrew Fix 21:49  

Yeah, totally. I think, well, first and foremost, I think everyone just has to remember that each person has to start somewhere, right? I think a lot of times people don't do things, get into an exercise program or start a new way that they eat, a nutrition plan is whatnot, because they're afraid they can't do what they see other people doing, or they're afraid they can't be perfect at it, and we don't have to if you're not lifting weights now, you don't have to go to the gym six days a week in order to start lifting weights. You can go one or you can just start with bodyweight things at home, but I think it is so valuable to find a coach or a mentor or something, right? It doesn't like if you don't already have the expertise in that thing, you need to seek out the assistance of somebody that does. There's plenty of great information on the internet, but when you can work with an individual and communicate what you're trying to accomplish, and they can help put a plan in place for you, it almost always is going to go better than you just trying to wing it on your own. But man, I can't overstate how important it is that whatever type of diet you choose to follow that we're getting enough protein in. Because if you do have desires to build more muscle or be more fit, or you're trying to rehab from injuries that you've dealt with, and we're not getting adequate protein or even adequate calories in in high quality food, right? Not like super, ultra processed things, your body is not going to have the nutrients that it needs to repair the tissue that you're trying to repair. So I think that's first and foremost. If someone's not already eating a very healthful diet that's high in protein before they come to us, that's something we're going to try to change along the way, and that's not usually a conversation that takes place in a physical therapy clinic, but it does in our physical therapy clinic, which I'm really happy about. I mean, we all know how important sleep is. I had the opportunity to educate our team, but also I've been having this conversation with a lot of clients. Many times, people think that having pain is one of the reasons why we don't sleep well, but the research out there on pain and sleep, like pain science and sleep is the relationship is exactly the other way around. (inaudible) sleep is the reason we have pain, right, in it that is much more stronger (inaudible). Exactly. When we don't sleep well, our body, our nervous system, does not recovered does not repair itself. We have a pain processing problem, like our nervous system doesn't know how to interpret the things that are going on because we have not rested and recovered it. You're more likely to have pain, no matter what kind of pain we're talking about, if you're not sleeping well. So if we're not getting like, some high quality sleep, whether it's our podcast or many other smart, influential people out there. There's a lot of information coming about about sleep hygiene and how we can improve the quality of our sleep, but I can't overstate how important that is, because there's a big reason we are supposed to spend like, a third of our life sleeping so that we can really take advantage of the other two-thirds of our life.

Lesley Logan 24:36  

Yeah, I don't have kids, but I have dogs, and something I love about dogs is, what dogs do is they sleep when they want to sleep, they stretch like their body just starts stretching. You know, immediately when they wake up. Yeah, they're like, okay, if they need a stretch, they take that stretch like they're so good. And then they're super active when they're active. And not that we need as much sleep as they do. They need more because their hearts are going so fast. But I just really admire just how present they are. And then on the sleep thing, I struggle with sleep so very much. That's about five years ago, but I just struggled, struggled, struggled. Would get, like, 90 minutes at a time. Just couldn't fall, I could fall asleep, I couldn't stay asleep. And it's very fascinating. It's because it was the stress caused all these other issues, and so I had to, like, focus on, like, okay, how do I de-stress while I'm trying to make my business work in a very hard environment, I love LA, but it is a hustle. There's a hustle whenever I visit LA, like you just start to feel like you just feel like a little hummingbird. But as I started to figure out that was going on in the last five months, I've been able to even dive even deeper onto my sleep. So two years ago, I started doing a lot of stuff that I learned from like some sleep hygeine, some different podcasts, and trying to, like, cold plunging, making sure I was my red light a certain time. All of a sudden, it all really, really did help. And then recently, I was having some, some sleep stuff, and I talked to a doctor about it, and I got some bio identicals for progesterone. You guys, there is two weeks a month, I sleep like a freaking, it's amazing. It's amazing. And but what happened is it's actually retrained the other parts of my cycle, my sleep, and now I'm getting like my sleep scores are in the 80s and 90s, always, even if I'm only getting six and a half hours because I had a short night or whatever, it's kind of amazing how you have to just retrain your body. But I'm getting so I'm getting more almost two hours, and I have deep sleep, which is just great. And the aches and pains in my body went away like they just, you know, just that stuff. I'm like, just not recovering well at the gym. I'm not injured. So I love that you brought up sleep. I think that's such an amazing thing that people can focus on today before they need anything. I want to ask you, what are you so, what are you most excited about right now? What do you, what are you working on? What's an exciting thing you're working on?

Dr. Andrew Fix 26:44  

Oh, man, I guess the thing I'm most excited about right now has nothing to do with work or what I'm working on, but it has everything to do with being a new father. Is we're going to be leaving next week to take our little boy back home for his first trip back to meet all the rest of my family that hasn't flown out here to meet him. So I'm super pumped up about that.

Lesley Logan 27:00  

Great. You're gonna fly?

Dr. Andrew Fix 27:04  

This will be his second flight. My wife, she took him on the first one solo. So she, she knocked that out, and did, he did a great job, but this will be my first time flying with them. So I'm pretty pumped up about that. Other than that, I think the thing I'm most excited about that we're working on right now within our practice and like within our profession, is we've got some new team members coming onto the team. And each time we bring a new person on, we try to bring on a new niche, specific specialist, so like, whether that's Pilates or running or weightlifting or golf or whatever that is. And we've got two new people joining our team that both are moving here from out of state, and, man, I'm just so pumped up to continue to see our team flourish and grow. Yeah, it's going to be awesome once they're here in about a month. 

Lesley Logan 27:45  

That is so cool. That is so fun. I love hearing that, because it's like, you can have a big vision, and it takes time to get those other parts of that vision in, but that you can attract, that you're doing, what you're doing is so cool. You're attracting people to move in from out of town. That's amazing. 

Dr. Andrew Fix 27:59  

Yeah, didn't even think that was something that would would would happen, right? 

Lesley Logan 28:03  

Yeah, I love it. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. 

Lesley Logan 28:08  

All right, Andrew, where do you like to hang out? Where can people connect with you? You said you also work with people virtually. Where should they be looking up?

Dr. Andrew Fix 28:15  

Our practice, I think I said this at the beginning is called Physio Room, so you can find us online at all the different places. That's physioroomco.com, so P-H-Y-S-I-O room dot C-O, for Colorado, .com and whether that's Instagram or a website, you'll find it all there. We have a pretty easy online booking platform and everything like that. So if someone wanted to set something up, we have E-visits, like I said, those virtual ones, and then for myself, personally, Instagram's probably the platform that I'm the most active on, and my handle is just drandrewfix. That's F as in Frank, I-X at the end. The other thing that I'm super pumped up about is our health and wellness podcast that's called The Code, a guide to health and human performance. And whatever podcast platform you're listening to this one on you can find ours on the same one. So whether that's Apple, Spotify, The Code, a guide to health and human performance, and we dive into all the things, whether that's sleep, nutrition, movement and exercise, all the things that you can do to crack the code on how to optimize your health. 

Lesley Logan 29:14  

That's so cool. That's so fun. I think that'll be fun to listen to. Okay, you've given us some great stuff, some great tips, but bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Dr. Andrew Fix 29:24  

Yeah, I mean, I think I have, and this is the whole reason I'm here, that we're even having this conversation in the first place, is if something's not working for you, right, if something's not serving you, you're waking up every day and you're not looking forward to going to the job you're working at, or you're unhappy in the relationship you're in, or anything like that. I like to say, you know, use your mind, obviously, and like, think about things and plan things out, but follow and trust your gut when you're making these decisions, and if something's just not sitting right with you, you just gotta trust your gut and go with it and make the decision and make some action, and then the plans will start to fall into place, right? I've spent a lot of time before deciding that, on this gut decision, to leave the practice I was with and walk away from the stable, cushy environment and everything like that, and just take a chance. And we moved out here to Colorado trying to like plan and have everything be perfect before actually doing anything and just procrastinating, procrastinating, because I tend to be a perfectionist, and what has always gone better in my life is if I just start doing something and then figure out the finer details along the way. Just start going now and then figure it out. So whether, we talked about exercise before, like, if you're unsure of what to do, just start doing something. It doesn't really matter that much the fine details. Just start doing something, and then you'll build that momentum, and then you can optimize and, like, fine-tune things out along the way. 

Lesley Logan 30:43  

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And the perfectionist listening that was very much for you, which is most of you who are listening. Like, guys, I got, I spot it, I got it. Andrew, this has been wonderful. So fun. I love what you're doing out there. I love the outlook you have on these things and really how you're trying to empower people to take care of themselves sooner rather than later. So thank you so much. Congratulations on your son and all that you guys are doing together. I'm excited to see how you keep up with him. Y'all. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure that you tag Andrew, tag the Be It Pod, and then share this with a friend. Share this with a friend who calls himself the oh, I just got a bad back all the time. That's their excuse for not going on a trip. That's their excuse for not flying or taking a thing. But they need to hear this, you know, and they you probably have told them that they can go get help. But sometimes it takes someone else saying the exact same thing. Sometimes it takes someone with a word doctor in front of their name to make them take action. So please share this with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 31:48  

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