Be It Till You See It

In this special FYF (Fuck Yeah Friday) episode, Lesley Logan celebrates wins from listeners, recounts her own experience of overcoming technical difficulties and offers a motivating mantra to help you push through your fears.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How Christine booked a session through persistence.
• Celebrating Tania's new clients and studio anniversary.
• The power of persistence in legal and media successes.
• How Lesley handled and overcame technical setbacks.
• Embracing trust over fear to stay motivated.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

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• Profitable Pilates

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my god, I'm so excited that you are here with us today. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. Today is the Fuck Yeah Friday, which means we're celebrating your wins, we're celebrating one of mine and we got a little mantra for you. Wins are not necessarily like I've made it. I've established something, like, it's the perfect thing, I couldn't, it's so perfect. They're actually just like noticing where things are going well or things went well in a moment. So it doesn't have to be a perfect day to have a win. You could have a really crappy day. And one of my first wins will be that. But, first, let me share some of yours. And I would love for you to send your win in, shout out on Be It Pod because then you can hear it. So here we go. 

Lesley Logan 1:28  

This one is from Christine Eschen. She is an eLevate grad and Agency member. And she wrote FYF, I had a person drive up to my property on a Sunday and inquire about my lavender than she asked if I also have a Pilates studio, showed her the studio and talked to her for a few minutes. She went home got online and booked a session for next week. Way to go, Christine and not only because of the efforting that you've been showing off your lavender, but also for having a website that allows people to schedule because you probably drove the whole way home thinking I gotta do that. I want to do that. You know, I'm gonna do that. And then she went to your website and she could schedule online. So that's amazing. Tania Tsiora, hello my win this week is that four new clients came in the studio within 10 days. Whoa! Tania, four people in 10 days, that is amazing. And she also has, I didn't write last week, it was such a great fun. It's been three years celebration of the studio, I offered a mat class in the park. Tania, Tania is Agency and she is, ah, three years the studio. Congratulations. First of all, that you have four people come in in a week. And then last week was a three-year anniversary, like, three, the first two years are the hardest. So, you know, not that it gets easier from here, but it does a little bit. So thank you for sharing that. 

Lesley Logan 2:39  

I'm gonna give you guys one more win. This one's gonna come from DK. So, my FYF is residual from last week. I'm so relieved that the miserable manipulative legal financial mess I was in for almost eight weeks has actual result. My lawyer called to say this business growth coaching company is dropping all claims. Yay! Also, after sending my book to a local Boston news channel anchor to pitch myself for their Wellness Wednesday segment and after many emails back and forth, I finally got on the phone yesterday and we booked an in-a-studio recording session. I'm so excited just goes to show that your persistent really pays off, don't assume that people are interested in what in you or that you aren't worthy of an opportunity. DK, that is hu-frickin-mongous. Way to go. Like, it's, both of those things show perseverance and persistence and how they pay off. So I'm so proud of you. I'm also like, it's so easy for us to like create something. And we call that the win. And then not the step that we do afterwards to make sure that people are hearing about the thing we create. So congratulations on your book and all the efforts that you're doing to continue to make sure that people hear about it. That is huge. And anyone can take this away. Just because people don't respond to you or it doesn't happen right away doesn't mean that you're not interested. So it might not be the right timing. It might have something going on in their life. Like, there's so many different wins I could share. Or it was like someone didn't respond to me. And I thought oh, they don't like what I had to say, but, really, it was just timing, right it was just the wrong time. 

Lesley Logan 4:00  

Okay, a win of mine. So every month we do a live class for OPC members. And Brad was not in town. And I was like okay, I'm gonna take a luxurious morning to just make sure I'm super prepared for this live class because I have to set myself up, I'm gonna have to do all the tech work myself and do all the things. So I made sure the mics were charged. I made sure that, like, I even moved the Reformer by myself, I made sure the dogs all had their treats, I even put some beds out so they wouldn't like walk around during the class, like, all the things to make the class so smooth and it was anything but smooth. It, actually, in fact, sucked. The class didn't suck, but like, I taught you guys I taught a class for like 10 minutes and no one could hear anything I was saying. So that was super embarrassing. But the win is, once I figured out what was going on that no one could hear me, that I taught an amazing class and I let myself be present in the moment and I didn't get hung up on like (inaudible). Oh my god, this is so awful. This sucks so much. Actually, I just had fun doing the class that I taught for them. And then I got to hang out with them and shout out some amazing news and amazing changes that we're making at OPC and I'm so, so excited for those things. And so I share that with you because just in case you're having a crappy day today, if you are also present after that crap goes, that's a win. That's a win. It's a total win. So, in fact, if you're listening to this right now, and you're really present in your body, what you're doing, that's a win. All right, like we have to take the wins where we can get them because my goodness, it is so freakin hard. 

Lesley Logan 5:31  

Alright, so here is your mantra. When I feel fear, I feed trust. When I feel fear, I feed trust. When I feel fear, I feed trust. You are amazing. You are wonderful you are being it till you see it each and every day. Please send your wins so we get to shout them out. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 5:53  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 6:35  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:40  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 6:45  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 6:52  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

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Brad Crowell 6:55  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap their favorite takeaways from the interview with renowned author, psychologist, and dream guest Gay Hendricks. Discover insights on self-sabotage, transforming your perception of time, and the power of wonder and creativity. Tune in to learn how to apply these transformative insights and start overcoming your limitations.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How previous guests' Be It Action Items changed Lesley and Brad's daily routines.
• Lesley’s persistence to secure Gay Hendricks as guest for the podcast.
• Gay Hendricks' insights on identifying and overcoming self-sabotage.
• The concept of Newtonian vs. Einstein Time and how it affects your day.
• How to manipulate time perception to achieve better results.
• Key questions to ignite your wonder to unlock your genius zone.
• How to commit to daily creativity and help you manifest your true potential.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Summer Tour
• eLevate Mentorship Program for 2025
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
• OPC $40 for 40 Days
• Studio Growth Accelerator for Profitable Pilates
• Hendricks Institute
• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks
• Dr. Mindy Pelz Fasting
• Johanna White Episode 171
• Dai Manuel's Episode 185
• Phil Barth Episode 187
• Nikole Mitchell Episode 319
• Kel Cal's Episode 382

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Be It Till You See It Podcast Survey

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Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!
• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

He just looks at life with just so much curiosity and joy and excitement. He clearly lives in such a present place. I don't think the man is stressed out. I want to move to Ojai and do his routine. 

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to talk about the dream convo I had with Gay Hendricks, oh my god, in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you are missing the fuck out. You are missing out. 

Brad Crowell 1:07  

It's a great convo.

Lesley Logan 1:09  

Isn't that wonderful? Don't you just want to be friends with him? 

Brad Crowell 1:12  

Okay, so if you don't know who Gay Hendricks is. He is a renowned author and psychotherapist. And he blew my mind when he said yeah, so I've written 51 books in the last 50 years. I was like what? That's insane. Fascinating, fascinating human. Sounds like the coolest guy. 

Lesley Logan 1:36  

So cool. He loves his wife. Did you? You didn't watch it, did you? 

Brad Crowell 1:40  

I did. 

Lesley Logan 1:41  

You watched it? Did you see him tear up? He's like, she was gone for three days and just came back. I was like, my husband doesn't tear up when I return.

Brad Crowell 1:50  

What? What husband? 

Lesley Logan 1:51  

Ah. Anyways, we're gonna get into that convo because I loved it so much. I am just, I can't even believe, I can't believe it happened. So today is August 1st 2024 and it's the beginning of National Wellness Month. About this month. In August, we celebrate National Wellness Month. Prioritizing your self-care managing stress and promoting healthy routines. Create wholesome habits in your lifestyle and focus on self-care to feel like your best self. We can often put our health and wellness on the backburner due to work deadlines, traffic, family obligations and other stressors. Research has shown self-care helps manage stress and promotes happiness. For a happy and healthy life, it's important to focus on wellness and self-care. National Wellness Month was born out of the idea that if we're going to do big things in the world—build our careers, raise a family further education, create new ideas and nurture our bodies—we must take care of ourselves. 

Brad Crowell 2:38  

Got to do it. 

Lesley Logan 2:39  

Hey, Brad, how do you take care of yourself?

Brad Crowell 2:43  

I eat well and I sleep occasionally. 

Lesley Logan 2:49  

No, you sleep more than occasionally it's gotten a lot better. You used to like do a lot of all-nighters at least one a week and you don't do that anymore.

Brad Crowell 2:55  

Yeah, it's true. I don't do that anymore. 

Lesley Logan 2:57  

Yet you also work out. 

Brad Crowell 2:59  

Oh, yeah, I do that. I do workout actually more now than I have in, well, maybe there was one point when I was super diehard with my yoga practice where I was doing, like four or five times a week. But yeah, I mean, I'd say I'm pretty much moving every day intentionally, you know.

Lesley Logan 3:19  

You also cold plunge in the morning. 

Brad Crowell 3:21  

Yeah, been cold plunging. I've been doing some sunlight in the AM.

Lesley Logan 3:27  

You do get your morning sunlight. You also do yoga almost once a week. 

Brad Crowell 3:31  

Yeah. Also, you know, doing some vitamins through our supplements. AG1. You know, stuff like that. So it's been good. It's been actually more than I've ever done in my entire life. 

Lesley Logan 3:46  

Yeah. And you didn't try to do all the things at the same time you like, added one in at a time.

Brad Crowell 3:51  

It's. That's exactly right. We all have heard you talk about your morning routine and self-care routine, but I must say the thing that I the most excited about is the cold plunging. And I'm sure you're excited about that, too. I know it's become a daily thing for you.

Lesley Logan 4:07  

I love the cold plunge. I never miss a day. I'm actually so bummed that I'm not going to have the cold plunge when I travel. Like that's the hardest thing is like, a cold shower is not the same. 

Brad Crowell 4:16  

It's not. 

Lesley Logan 4:17  

You can do it. But it's just it's a little torturous to be completely honest. Yeah. Yeah, I also love that I added my sauna blanket into my routine. It's more of a weekly thing, a couple times a week. And I made the mistake of going oh, I'm working out later this afternoon. So I'll sauna this morning. And I've been fasting like, Mindy Pelz fasting thing and nope, not a good idea to sauna blanket during the fasting window. I was like, oh my god, I'm famished. So, not great but, it was good intent. Good intentions. Well, you guys, we want to hear your self-care routine. So send them to us. We can share them with others because people need to know what are different ways of taking care of ourselves. Self-care is not a reward you do for being a good person in this world, it's part of your rights as being a human being who, just so you know, you're a much better person in this planet when you take care of yourself.

Brad Crowell 5:11  

It's true. That's why we encourage everyone to do Pilates. 

Lesley Logan 5:15  

And speaking of Pilates, we're leaving in three days from today. So if you listen to us on a different day then, we might be already on the road for our summer tour, our sixth tour powered by Balanced Body. We are hitting 13 cities and so many are sold out. But there are some spots and some things we want to see you so go to opc.me/tour to snag your spot. Bring a friend who's probably curious, of course, come for the community, get the Pilates and win some prizes. It's a good time.

Brad Crowell 5:43  

Actually, a bunch of the classes are already sold out. But there's, there might still be some availability. So make sure you go check opc.me/tour 5000 miles over 16 days we're going to be ripping through and so come hang out. We actually love to meet all of our members in person, you know, or listeners in person, come hang out and come meet the pups. It's gonna be good time. 

Lesley Logan 6:07  

Yeah. Also, my eLevate applications are open for 2025. It's my mentorship for teachers who've already been trained on the mat, reformer, tower and chair, then you can apply to be in my mentorship program. We really like dive in deep and nerd out and help you teach the body in front of you and like progress clients with confidence, but also, also get nerdy about your personal practice. It's a lot of fun. We've had so many grads and we have a ton of amazing people already signed up for 2025, space is super limited so if you're interested, you don't want to hesitate and wait to the last minute because I might not have any slots. And the next one won't be till 2026. So lesleylogan.co/elevate is where you can apply.

Brad Crowell 6:51  

Yeah. Okay, next up is one of my absolute favorite things to do. You've heard me talk about Cambodia before. We are going back in February, the end of February 2025. And we would love to have you join us it is an once in a lifetime opportunity. Seriously, the memories that you're gonna make from this experience you will tell everyone about it, you will brag about. It is a bucket list thing. We're gonna go to temples of Angkor, there are lots and lots of temples and we'll get to see a whole bunch of them, get to eat amazing food, meet some incredible people. You're gonna stay at our place, you know, in, you know, right in Siem Reap is the city that we're in. And then we get to do Pilates and all the things, so it is just amazing. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com if the end of February 2025 works for you. And if it doesn't just go there and you know, add yourself to the waitlist for future retreats. 

Lesley Logan 7:45  

Yes. And then, if you haven't yet tried the OPC, we want you to. OPC is our Online Pilates Classes membership where you come and just nerd out about Pilates and you get accountability to show up for yourself. Our classes are 30 minutes. Every week in our monthly classes you have access to the full month or 50 minutes, but you can finish as many minutes as you want because I do believe finishing is optional. And we have amazing teachers besides myself. Also, we made a change. So now you get access to each weekly class for two weeks. So when you log in, you'll see this week's class, you'll see last week's class. And so when you try OPC for 40 days for $40, so it's $1 a day, you're going to have access to several different classes to really enjoy and nerd out about in your body and also access to our members link community where you can get feedback on your form, and so much support. So go to opc.me/40.

Brad Crowell 8:39  

Yeah, do it. Next up, we got something new, we're making a few changes to a webinar I've been working on for a really long time, the Studio Growth Accelerator for Profitable Pilates. So if you are a fitness business owner and you've got a small business or medium-sized business and you're looking to figure out your money, and how to get more of it, and what all that means, join me on this accelerator. It's a free webinar. Free. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator, prfit.biz/accelerator that is profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. And, you know, add yourself to to the list and then we'll let you know exactly when things are kicking off. And we'll be digging into money together. It's really exciting.

Lesley Logan 9:33  

Okay, before we get into, I can't wait to talk about Gay. I'm so excited. Before you do that we have an audience question. We have a listener question. So Brad, what is our question we're answering this?

Brad Crowell 9:43  

Okay, cool. Erin Donahue asked, 'Hey, what have you changed in your daily routine or way of thinking as a result of one of the guests' Be It Action Items?' By the way, I think it's perfectly timed with today being the beginning of National Wellness Month. 

Lesley Logan 9:58  

Yeah, it's great timing.

Brad Crowell 10:00  

Yeah. What have changed in your daily routine or way of thinking as a result of one of your guests' Be It Action Items?

Lesley Logan 10:06  

There's a there have been some things that, I've done a lot and we've had so many, I mean, 400 episodes. So like, that's not all 200 interviews but like 

Brad Crowell 10:14  

120 or 130. 

Lesley Logan 10:16  

130 interviews. So it's 130 minimum. 

Brad Crowell 10:19  

Probably 150 because we didn't start doing the third episode till partway through this. 

Lesley Logan 10:23  

Yeah. And also, some people give us four Be It Action items, three. So there's been a lot that I'm like, oh, I love, I want to try that out. Or oh, I really love that one or oh, I don't need that one right now. But I know someone who does. I will say what changed my way of thinking is when Dai Manuel from episode 185 talked about 30 minutes is only 2% of your day. I had no idea that 30, how cool am I that I created OPC with 30 minutes, I'm only taking up two percent of your day. But it changed my way of thinking. And so now instead of like going (inaudible) time for that, I'm like, it's only 2% of my day, do I not have 2% of my day to dedicate to myself? You know what I mean? Like, it really changed my way of how I prioritize even just 30 minutes for myself, because my goodness, you got to have that in your day. It doesn't have to be all at once but that's really cool. I did do Kel Cal's, like, be it till you see it song several days in a row. And I have to say, because I would play it while I was cold plunging. And I think this is so fun. But I also kind of want like a different song all the time, which is making me research too much. And so obviously the overachiever in me is like, wearing its ugly head. So I got to tame that beast, but I really do. I really, I want to find a five-minute long song to be completely honest because then it's not ending while I'm in the cold plunge in it and like having to find a new song or repeat it. But that being said, that was a great one. I really liked that one. I think I changed my mindset around some mantras because of Nikole Mitchell. You know, like posts and things like that, like putting reminders up where I can see them because of her Be It Action Items. So which one? Can you think of any that you've added? Or changed your thinking?

Brad Crowell 12:05  

I mean, there's so many different things, but two that really jumped out for me over the years that have actually made an impact. One of them is Phil Barth actually said

Lesley Logan 12:16  

Oh my god, Phil Barth.

Brad Crowell 12:18  

Yeah. He said, (inaudible) he basically said, if you don't make room for your bucket list, you'll never do your bucket list. Okay? So I know, it's like one of those things we like, I'm gonna get to it someday, I'll eventually get to it. And I really loved where he's like, pushing you to put a date on that, a timeline on that. Because I thought, I still think that way. I'm like, someday I'll do that really cool thing. Like, I've always wanted to hike the Appalachian Trail. You know, that's a six-month thing. So I don't know how I'm going to just do that. But you know, when you, when you put that on your list, you got to figure out when am I going to do? How am I going to do it? Am I ever going to accomplish that? Otherwise, it'll just stay there. Another one that I really, I'm not very good at this. And this is something that is challenging for me. Joanne Johanna White said buy the shoes. 

Lesley Logan 13:14  

You don't. You, I have to push you. I'm sitting over here almost buying a belt for a suitcase bag and you are like, I don't know, I've been in my car. Let me think about it. Three months later. I don't know. I'm like, those are never going on sale. They'll never do it. Just get the shoe.

Brad Crowell 13:30  

So yeah. You know, basically, whatever the thing is, that represents how you want to live your life and you know, that aspirational thing. It's time to put the money down and do it. You know, and I'm not very good at buying myself. Thanks. So, yeah, that's, I've just kind of always kept those things in the back of my mind. I mean, there's so many other amazing ones.

Lesley Logan 13:53  

I'm now wondering if we should do an episode of just like, Be It Action Items, like just take all all these Be It Action Items and just make episodes out of them because like, I feel like people need to re-hear them. 

Brad Crowell 14:05  

Yeah, I mean, that'd be awesome. That's definitely something we should go back and and have a convo about. But, let's get to it. Let's talk about our guest, Mr. Gay Hendricks. So stick around. We'll be right back.

Okay, now let's talk about Gay Hendricks. Gay Hendricks is a renowned author, psychologist and speaker known for his influential work in personal growth and relationships. He holds a PhD in counseling psychology and has authored over 50 books, including The Big Leap which explores overcoming personal limitations and achieving success. Also one of Lesley's favorite books. In his work, he emphasizes transforming one's perception of time, as discussed in his concept of Newtonian versus Einstein Time. Hendricks' teaching focuses on self-awareness, love and integration of body and mind therapies. He's also been married for 44 years, and he and his wife are both focused on similar things. And he was talking about how excited he was that he was able to work together. 

Lesley Logan 15:07  

I know they are so precious, you guys have to follow them on Instagram. And they like do little lives together and like videos and she like, cook something and they're just so sweet and supportive. And they go, it's just wonderful. So they'll put a smile on your face always.

Brad Crowell 15:22  

Okay, first off, I just want to say, tell I ask, "When did you first find his book? And how many times have you listened to it now?" And tell us a story about bringing him on to the pod. 

Lesley Logan 15:34  

I think I first heard about him in, I want to say it was in 2019, because I remember being driving the Tahoe on tour, listening to his book. Got it. So 2019 was when I was listening to the book the first time. I have listened to it seven times. It has been a book club book for Agency. We have, anytime someone's like, what's up? I'm like, that's the book.

Brad Crowell 16:00  

Yeah, I think we had, at one point we had a couple of copies of it here too. 

Lesley Logan 16:02  

Yeah. They just keep getting given away. Which is fine. So it's the best and then how did I get him on the show? Okay. So I remember at the very beginning of this podcast, like I asked some big dream guests. I like I have like a lot of guts, I guess.

Brad Crowell 16:18  

Which we're talking more than 400 episodes ago. 

Lesley Logan 16:20  

Yeah. Yeah. And he responded that nothing, no response. And I like DM-ed him and no response. And you know what's really funny? Here's the link, the podcast that I heard him on, I asked her, she didn't respond. A year later, I asked her she was like, I'm so in. And then for one year, her assistants dicked me around and canceled last minute, moved it around, and I, they're like, oh, we have to like reschedule again. I said, we're not rescheduling anymore. I'm withdrawing my invitation. And I was so disappointed because of just how she handled it just seemed like out of alignment with her values. But I was not done asking Gay I just needed like, I was like

Brad Crowell 16:59  

So, with somebody else all together?

Lesley Logan 17:01  

Yes. Yeah. So Gay, it was like, I just I wasn't getting I wasn't going to the right avenue. I was like, maybe have to find his publisher, maybe I have to do this thing. So I just was really busy. And so occasionally, I would like tag his book and things and like, he wouldn't even respond to those. And that's not his fault. Like you guys. Like, that's not a slight against him. Most people don't respond when I tag them. So like, it's not a big deal. I don't respond when people tag me. So like, that wasn't a big deal. But Christmas of last year, I have been listening, you and I have been listening to like some sort of like self-help, like, thing with James Wedmore who's also a guest I will have on the show. And so I was listening to his like, seven days, or whatever it was. And I was like, I don't want to listen to any news. I want to stay in this positive mindset space. So I'm going to listen to Gay Hendricks' book again. And I was listening to it. And it was Christmas Day. And you were at your parents and I like was walking I like was being by myself in the hotel. And I got through like five chapters like in the morning. And so then I posted a selfie of myself saying I'm listening to this book, like the seventh time, if anyone knows how to get this man on the podcast, help a girl out. And he saw it. And he shared it. And he sent me the email of the person who gets on the pod. So timing is just everything guys, like, probably he was either busy writing a book or wasn't the one opening his DMs. I don't know, maybe he just never saw it because like, it's also the when the post that he made that day was the first one in months. So like it's just also possible and stories don't last more than 24 hours. So then like there's nothing to respond to. So at any rate, I think the timing was so perfect, because how cool he gets to be episode 400? 

Brad Crowell 18:38  

Yeah, pretty, pretty rad. That is really amazing. Okay. Well, tell us about one thing he said that you loved.

Lesley Logan 18:46  

There was actually so many things. First, I didn't even know he wrote 51 books, you guys. I thought he had written the two that I love. So I'm like, wow, I should do some research. But he said most people don't know where their upper limit problems are located. They think it's problems are having externally rather than internally. But each of us has our own self-sabotage mechanism. And these start from childhood and they are the form of limiting beliefs.

Brad Crowell 19:13  

That was something very surprising to me. Like before you even realize that you're consciously compiling decision-making powers you're being imprinted by 

Lesley Logan 19:23  

All the parents listening, you probably have, in all your best intentions, done some form of limiting 

Brad Crowell 19:29  

You f* up your kids, god d* it. 

Lesley Logan 19:31  

You f* them up. And you know, it's okay because your parents f* you up and you're all doing the best you can. And each generation you, hopefully f* them up a little bit less. But at any rate, like they're these limiting beliefs are things that we've, are ingrained. Like, you know, my mom was telling me some things that hurt like dad would say it and I'm like, oh my god, no wonder she doesn't think she can do X. He, like he, like the things he said were just who says it out loud?

Brad Crowell 19:59  

So I was listening, overheard that conversation.

Lesley Logan 20:02  

I mean, I'm just like, Oh my god. So. So I just think it's really, really I think what's cool about his book is it helps you understand your self-sabotage because you, you might not until you and he puts words to things that you're doing and actions you're taking. And you might not even be thinking that, like, I've told, I've told this story before, but my client who, whenever she would meet a guy she really, really liked to have an amazing date, she'd lose her voice for six months. You guys, this girl did not have a cold. Like, nothing happened to her. She just really liked this person. And then because she had, she would like self-sabotage by making herself lose her voice. So she couldn't possibly go on another date. And then she'd have to go through steroid treatments and all these things and like, vocal coaches, it was just crazy stuff. And I'm not saying like, you know, like, these are things we do. You know, we do this all the time when things go, well, we want vacation, we get sick. You know, so it's just very fascinating stuff. Um, that's just one of them. Self-reparations, another, there's a bunch. And I just thought they were so, so great. So his book really will help you understand all of them. He'll give you great examples. And I just, I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated by him. He also, you guys broke his femur. 

Brad Crowell 21:17  

Oh, yeah, like recently. 

Lesley Logan 21:18  

And he is doing just fine. Because he just looks at life with just so much curiosity and joy and excitement. He clearly lives in such a present place. I don't think the man is stressed out. I want to move to Ojai and do his routine.

Brad Crowell 21:35  

Well, I really was nerding out about this idea of Newton versus Einstein time. I know it's your favorite chapter in the book.

Lesley Logan 21:42  

But as I, you guys have to listen to the episode, because it wasn't always. 

Brad Crowell 21:47  

It wasn't always but he, he also talked about it being one of his favorite chapters in the book. And he kind of explained a little bit about this. And I thought we should rehash this so we can kind of wrap our heads around it. Newton time, time is linear and mechanical. 

Lesley Logan 22:04  

Or also known as Newtonian time. 

Brad Crowell 22:05  

Newtonian time, it reflects a rigid, structured approach to time basically the way that we think of, I gotta be there, you know, I'm working from nine to five, okay, nine o'clock to five o'clock. So you're there, right? Period, that is Newtonian time. It is rigid, it has a structured approach. Whereas in Einstein, he said, time expands or contracts, depending on the quality of our experience. For example, what did you all just think when I said, nine to five? It's so long. But it's still just nine to five. It's the same nine to five. But our experience of having to be at the office from nine to five is like, ugh, right? So it feels like forever. I'm sure you've all had that experience, where you're like, whoa, what happened to today? It just went so fast. That is Einstein's approach to time, right? So he emphasized the importance of 

Lesley Logan 23:00  

Well, Einstein's approach is that you could stretch, you can manipulate it. Like, it's not just that, like, the day goes so fast. It just is like, you can, in the book, he talks about how like, if you are constantly looking at your watch, I'm gonna be late, I'm gonna be late, I'm gonna be late, I'm, and you have no control over the train, and you have no control over these things. You are inevitably, what? Hitting every red light like Newtonian time, like when we stress out, like we hit all the red lights, and we're late, right? But when you just like sit back, relax, like James Wedmore talked about a story about how he was like doing a sales call. And it went long. And he looks at the clock, he's like, I'm never gonna make it to the airport. He was like, and he had to like return the rental car.

Brad Crowell 23:38  

I literally experienced that same story. 

Lesley Logan 23:40  

And he was like, there's no other way but I'm gonna make this flight. And it's going to happen, and he just believed in it happening. And he eased in, he kept focusing on that. And he stretched time, you guys, he made it there it's not like the plane delayed, and that's why he made the flight. He just somehow made it there faster. Like everything opened up, all the doors opened up for it to be easier to get there. So that's Einstein time. 

Brad Crowell 24:04  

I've had that same experience, like in the airport where we landed late, you know, from another flight. And then I had to go across the airport, which includes taking a tram. Right, and then I had to still go back through security. And yet somehow I made the flight. 

Lesley Logan 24:17  

Yeah. Oh, I mean, I remember. Okay, so, Heathrow. I was on a plane and they were, the Heathrow Airport was making us circle the airport and the flight attendant came up, came up and she said, hey, they know you're here. You're checked in. But you're gonna need to run. And I was like, okay, no problem. You guys. I didn't just need to run, I had also take a bus and then run again. So the bus and I started doing little Newtonian time I started like checking the minutes. I just kept checking my watch because this bus was not coming like checking. I'm like, I'm not gonna make this fight. And then I was like, hold on. I have to make this fight. This flight is going to happen. And I was on the bus. And of course every plane is just wanting to drive in front of our bus and I see this girl and I, because everyone there is definitely going back to India and like, this is one blonde chick. And I was like, are you going to LA? And she said, yeah, I was like, (inaudible), like, we're gonna make this flight. We're making this flight. And we it's going to happen. And sure enough, you guys we ran, we had to go through security. But I was just like, we're making the flight, we're making this flight. And we, I don't know how we made that flight. But we made that flight. And they brought us wine and they gave us our own row. So it does work, you just have to believe in it.

Brad Crowell 25:32  

Well, so Einstein emphasized the importance of changing how we perceive time, encouraged noticing and altering complaints and limiting beliefs around time to start noticing when you're complaining about time, start noticing when you're complaining, or where you address other people about time. I guess when you were talking with Gay, one of the things he talked about was, "Oh, sorry. I don't have enough time for that conversation." Right? And that was the kind of approach that people are taking with Newtonian time as opposed to Einstein time. And he said, ultimately you own your time. And that's one of the things that Gay was talking about. You take responsibility for creating whatever way about time you want to create. But you have to do it in your own creative way. It's abstract. I'm not gonna lie. But, also, it's amazing that we've all probably inadvertently done this over the years.

Lesley Logan 26:24  

Oh, you guys, it feels like this random chapter should be its own book. And then it when you read the book again, and again, it makes more sense. When you listen to Gay and like why he put that in there, it will make more sense. So listen to the episode. And then also, like, just notice the intentionality of words. Like I don't have time for that meeting, as opposed to like, oh, I'm not able to commit to that right now. Do like one of those puts you in a more powerful place, and the other one puts you as a victim of your circumstances. Right? And so that can change how you perceive your abilities and your strengths. There's this one woman that I heard speak and she said, I never say, I can't afford that. Because that is telling the universe I don't have any money. That's telling me I don't have any money. She said, instead, I say, I'm not, I'm choosing not to spend money on that right now. And so it's just it's a different thing. And so, at the very least, just like, notice the power in your words, and your time, we've got control over it. It's kind of amazing. 

Brad Crowell 27:19  

Well, speaking of time. 

Lesley Logan 27:21  

We're taking too much. 

Brad Crowell 27:22  

Stick around. We'll be right back. 

All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Gay Hendricks? He emphasized to get busy wondering about what your genius zone is. Now, I think the key is wondering, right, y'all to have this great conversation. Well, I wonder and you talked about your tattoo. But he said wondering is an underutilized human superpower. We, he said, we often we almost always go around looking for answers outside of ourselves, you know, very much like this podcast. But he said, what if you take a moment to look in internally, we're often asking gurus and teachers, but it's rare to actually just sit, set aside 10 seconds or 10 minutes, and then genuinely wonder about yourself, about it, the thing, whatever it is that you're working on, are focused on. And he said, here's a couple of key questions to ask, which I thought was really helpful. What do I most love to do? And what do I love to do that makes a contribution to other people? And I thought that was helpful because you know, what is wondering, right? What are we wondering about here? What are we actually trying to do? 

Lesley Logan 28:43  

Yes. And in his book, his daily book, Your Big Leap Year, he has you do a lot of hmm.

Brad Crowell 28:50  

Oh, yeah?

Lesley Logan 28:51  

Yeah, humming, it actually does a thing in your brain that like opens up the wonder portals and then you say, hmm.

Brad Crowell 29:01  

Well, so remember, we're trying to find our zone of genius. So how do we get busy wondering about our zone of genius? So start by asking the questions what do I love? What do I most love to do? And then what do I most love to do that makes a contribution for other people and then give yourself time to actually wonder, be curious, think about it. 

Lesley Logan 29:22  

And you could go hmm, what do I most love to do? What do I most love to do that makes a contribution other people?

Brad Crowell 29:31  

Hmm, what about you?

Lesley Logan 29:32  

Hmm, oh my gosh, okay, this was so great. This was just like I was eating this up. Our poor team, we didn't even stop for him to, we just went right into this. I was like, good luck guys getting those be it action items in there. Creativity is anything that has the capacity to surprise you. I'm like I just love it surprise you like we never get surprised anymore. No one wants to be surprised anymore. I don't.

Brad Crowell 29:55  

I do. 

Lesley Logan 29:55  

Like you love it? 

Brad Crowell 29:56  

Yeah, I like surprises. 

Lesley Logan 29:57  

I get so nervous. So like I'm trying really hard. But he says make a commitment to getting more creative every day and opening up more of your genius, which starts with a commitment. So you have to start somewhere by making a stand and the more heartfelt you make your commitment, the faster it will manifest. So he advised you to get your head and your heart in alignment and working together because that gives you an unstoppable power to bring forth the things that are most important to you. Creativity is anything that has the capacity to surprise you. So a Be It Action Item is like, how could you be more creative in your day? What is something you could do? Could you, "Hmmmm, I wonder." Like going back to episode, how fun is this, episode one was all about going how does it get any better than this? 

Brad Crowell 30:43  

How does it? 

Lesley Logan 30:44  

Like that could be your ability to open. 

Brad Crowell 30:46  

101, we're back to it. 

Lesley Logan 30:48  

Yeah, the capacity to surprise you. So and I really liked this because you know, The Artist's Way is very big on like getting creative every day like journaling. So creativity can be just like Morning Pages, it can be taking a different route to work in the morning. And maybe you get creative with your outfits every day. Some of us like have a whole closet full of clothes, we don't wear like there's so many different ways you can get creative. Maybe you get creative with your lunches that you make for yourself, or the coffee that you, that you make, you know, maybe like, there's just so many different ways you can, you can be creative. So I love that. I love I just love this episode, and I'm just so happy. It's out into the world and it's in your ears. Please share it with as many people as possible. If you don't have to share this one you can share that interview one but like, please, please, please leave a review. And we're at episode 400. And you know, what I would love? It would mean the world to me, is by episode 500 that we will have you know, grown our audience like, times two. And that happens if every listener, if every single one of you shares with a friend who listens, boom, doubled. That's how it goes. It's that easy. You don't have to share with 10 people, one person. 

Brad Crowell 31:56  

One person.

Lesley Logan 31:57  

So and you know what, you can get creative with it. And you can combine.

Brad Crowell 32:01  

You can wonder. 

Lesley Logan 32:02  

You can wonder, hmm. 

Brad Crowell 32:03  

How are we going to do this? 

Lesley Logan 32:04  

I wonder who needs to hear this episode? Gay Hendricks if you're listening, holy moly. You changed my life. You have no idea. I'm so grateful for you. Everyone, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? Let us know. Make sure that you share your wins with us so we can (inaudible) them on our Fuck Yeah Friday episodes and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 32:23  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 32:25  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 33:08  

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Lesley Logan 33:13  

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Brad Crowell 33:17  

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Lesley Logan 33:24  

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Brad Crowell 33:28  

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Transcribed by https://otter.ai

In this milestone 400th episode, Lesley Logan interviews Gay Hendricks, the visionary author behind "The Big Leap." Dive into his wisdom on breaking through self-imposed limits, the significance of receiving care, and the magic of wondering. Explore how to identify and live in your zone of genius while mastering the art of time. This episode offers a rich blend of storytelling and practical guidance to elevate your life, relationships, and career.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How “The Big Leap” helps dismantle upper limiting beliefs.
• The importance of letting things in and receiving care.
• The power of “wondering” to discover one's genius zone.
• Why the more heartfelt your commitment, the faster it will manifest.
• The importance of daily commitment and perseverance in writing.
• The inspiration and influence behind Gay’s Hendrick's daily inbox.
• Owning your time and making conscious choices on how to use it.

Episode References/Links:

• Follow Gay Hendricks on IG
• Follow Gay Hendricks on Twitter
• Hendricks Institute
• Foundation for Conscious Living
• Hearts in Harmony with Katie and Gay Hendricks
• Foundation for Conscious Living Facebook page
• Foundation for Conscious Living on Twitter
• Big Leap Home on Instagram
• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks
• A Year of Living Consciously by Gay Hendricks

Guest Bio:

Gay Hendricks has served for more than forty years as one of the major contributors to the fields of relationship transformation and body-mind therapies. Throughout his career, Dr. Hendricks has coached more than eight hundred executives, including the top management at firms such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Motorola, and KLM. Along with his wife, Dr. Kathlyn Hendricks, he has co authored many books including Conscious Loving, The Corporate Mystic, and his latest, the New York Times bestseller Five Wishes, which has been translated into seventeen languages. Dr. Hendricks received his Ph.D. in counseling psychology from Stanford University. After a twenty-one-year career as a professor at the University of Colorado, he founded the Hendricks Institute, which offers seminars in North America, Asia, and Europe. He is also a founder of The Spiritual Cinema Circle. In recent years his passion has been writing a new series of mystery novels featuring the Tibetan Buddhist private detective, Tenzing Norbu. Ten's first adventure was The First Rule Of Ten, followed by The Second Rule Of Ten and more to come. (https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B000APFFK0/about)

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Gay Hendricks 0:00  

We go around all the time looking for answers outside ourselves and asking gurus and teachers and things like that. But what's rare is to actually just genuinely wonder about it yourself for 10 seconds or 10 minutes, just to wonder what is it I most love to do? That's the key question is what do I most love to do? A second key question is, what do I most love to do that makes a contribution to other people? 

Lesley Logan 0:30  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:12  

Oh my God, Be It babe. Hi, happy episode 400. And I hope you saw whose name is my guest today. And if you've been listening to this pod, you're like, yeah, Gay Hendricks, I'm like, yeah, Gay Hendricks. We're gonna (inaudible) Gay Hendricks on the Pod today. And I'm even more obsessed with this person than I was going into this interview. I can't even get words out. I'm so emotional. I love this man. So much. More importantly, I think I love the relationship he and his wife have a lot. Like clearly affects him and makes him a man he is today. But also how truly giving and loving and generous he is for all of us. You know, this man is a true sign of abundance and like abundance mindset, because he wants all of us to live in our zone of genius, every single one, and he doesn't want a single one of us to self-sabotage are get in our own way. And he has been trying to teach us these tools for as long as he could write them. And for that I'm so grateful. And the fact that he is episode 400 is I never thought this interview would happen. And there's very few things that happen in my life now that are not a result of me understanding my upper limits since 2019, it might have been 2018, but definitely 2018. And so I can't wait for you to hear this episode. I can't, I can't wait. And so thank you, Gay Hendricks for being on the show. I don't know if you're listening to this intro. But thank you. And thank you every single one of you who listens to this show. If this is your first show, hi, I must look good. Thanks for being here. But, get his books. And I didn't even know he wrote 51 before I interviewed him. So now I have a bunch to go and read through. And I really hope our paths cross again. And I don't even know in what way they will. But I truly hope that they will because he has so much more to teach us all. And this interview I hope is the nugget of information you need right now. And I can't wait to re-listen to this interview because there was so many moments that I thought I knew what he was talking about and I got another level. Not a different lesson, another level, a deeper level. And it just shows that we are not, my friend, Erika Quest, would always say, well,we say we're not concrete we are constructs. Humble the Poet. It is, this interview is so representative of that. So, thank you for being here. Episode 400 is here and it is the one and only Gay Hendricks—someone who's been on my dream list to have on this podcast for years. And on the recap episode, I'll make sure Brad and I share, like I think he might have even recorded when I was like, oh my god, Gay said he will be on the show. I literally like threw my phone on the ground. I couldn't believe what I just read. So, anyways, here is Gay Hendricks, the author of The Big Leap and Your Big Leap Year and 49 other incredible books. 

Lesley Logan 4:14  

Okay, Be It babe. I'm gonna be honest, I'm trying really hard not to fangirl. I'm so excited for our guests today. Gay Hendricks is in the Zoom house. He is here. He has no idea. But I have had him on the list for being on my podcast since we launched in 2021. And the time that he responded, it was this random, on Christmas day, I was like, I need something more inspirational. I'm gonna re-listen to Gay's book. So I was listening to his book on Christmas morning on a walk and I tagged him on a story and I kind of just like out of like loss, I was like, if anyone knows how to get this man on my pod, it'd be really great and you have responded. So Gay, thank you so much for being here. You are the author of Your Big Leap and then Your Big Leap Year, can you, in case anyone who's listening has not heard about how amazing you are, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Gay Hendricks 5:10  

Well, thank you. I live in California and Southern California. I'm a psychologist by training. I got my doctorate at Stanford almost 50 years ago now. And so I've been practicing in one way or the other for the last 50 years. And to my great advantage, I met in 1980, the woman who would become my wife and mate and colleague and co-author for the next 44 years Kathlyn Hendricks, she goes by Katie to friends. And so Katie and I just celebrated our 44th anniversary of the day we met back in 1980. So that's been the dominant force in my life over the past bunch of years. So we've written, I think, 10 or 11 books together, co-authored books. And some of mine are written by myself if she's off doing something else that particular year engaged with a different project. So she just got back, actually last night, from speaking at a conference out in Chicago. And so we're having a happy reunion today as we speak. I've always been a writer. My mom was a newspaper reporter. And so I kind of grew up with the clacking of a typewriter in my ears all the time. Unfortunately, my mother chain-smoked unfiltered cigarettes and drank black coffee all day and all night. And so if you got nearer you were in this miasma of coffee and cigarettes. But other than that, she was fantastic inspiration as a writer, because she had a deadline to meet every day, and which I think was 7pm when she had to get her stuff to the newspaper. And so she weaved frantically while I was doing homework, I could hear that typewriter going. But mom tells me I'd been writing stories and things like that, since I could hold a pen pretty much. So I've always been a writer and I had the great, good fortune of in my, let's see, I would guess I was 22 or 23, when I discovered the field of counseling, psychology and transformation, and all the things that are very commonplace and well known now, but they were not very commonplace or well known 50 years ago that, you know, no self-help book existed or anything like that. So it was a very unusual time. And so I got very fascinated in human trends about human transformation. Because I became my own best customer in the sense that as soon as I started discovering psychology and counseling, I started working on my own issues. And at the time, I was overweight, and I myself smoked heavily. I was in this really toxic relationship, and working at a crappy job, or you know, everything was just going wrong in my life. And fortunately, I had a big wake up and enlightenment moment when I was 24 years old, where I kind of saw where all my programming came from. And I saw all of my emotions that I'd never expressed. And so it was like the lights going on inside me when I was 24. And ever since then, I've been on a mission to uncover more and more of my own genius and my own shadow and help other people. I think Katie and I counted up and we've had about 4500 couples now through our seminars and about 20,000 individuals. So in the past 50 years, we've been busy working with people in a very practical way here in our office, where I'm sitting or out in the world and seminars and things like that. And so both of us are very committed to the same types of things and are very fascinated by the same kinds of things. So, if possible in life, get yourself a good mate to work with, who's also your best friend, that can be the greatest blessing ever. I've had, I've enjoyed that for almost a half century now and there's nothing like it.

Lesley Logan 9:17  

Okay, so you answered some questions I had just like as I read The Big Leap. I actually listened to it a lot. I love, I love your voice. I love the way you read your book. I, if you feel like a really dear friend who's like coaching you through something so, love listening to it. But I've read it and I'm like, it's part of my like, recovering perfectionist overachiever inside of me, it's like, how did he just like do this and how are people doing this? And it sounds to me like you've been doing this for, you know, 50 years. Maybe, maybe it's like, we have to give ourselves permission these things that uncover our genius take time. And just for people who have not read The Big Leap, you should go get it and then also in Your Big Leap Year you talk about our zone of genius and our different things, can you kind of describe that for everyone? So when we say genius people know, it's not just like your smarty pants, it's like, it's it's part of you right?

Gay Hendricks 10:14  

Now, one of the, well, there were two really big points in my book, The Big Leap. And then this new book is a day book that breaks it all down into one day at a time kind of thing. But the two big points I really wanted everybody to know, is something I call the upper limit problem, which is, I've been all over the world I've, you know, worked with all these folks for 50 years. And I can say that one thing that human beings have in common, whether I'm in Brooklyn, or Mumbai, or the Bronx, or wherever, it's everybody's trying to get out from under their upper limit problems. And most people don't know where their upper limit problems are located. They think they're outside themselves. But what I point out in The Big Leap is that each of us have our own kind of self-sabotage mechanism that we have had oftentimes since childhood, in the form of old limiting beliefs, like, the most common one is the belief that you're fundamentally flawed in some way, that you're the wrong height to the wrong gender, or the wrong skin color, or the wrong age, or not pretty enough, or whatever it is, whatever it is we built in as our own upper limit. And every time we get beyond that, we've had ways of sabotaging ourselves. And so that's the upper limit problem. And in The Big Leap, I show people how to get in under the hood, and kind of dismantle that. And we can talk a little bit more about it. But I want to mention that geniuses are what I found, as people got out from under their upper limit problems, they became fascinated in finding out what they were really best suited to do in the world. And I, you know, like at this point, I've worked with people who like might be the CEO of a big Fortune 500 company, they'd look from the outside, like they've got it made, but on the inside, they feel like they're dying, because they're operating in their zone of excellence in the zone of what they know how to do. The genius zone is beyond that. It's in the realm of what do you love to do and what inside you is yearning to be expressed. And that is another thing that human beings have in common, wherever I go in the world, human beings are trying to open up and finding out what their real genius is, they may not have that language for it. But you know, everywhere, I get the most amazing email because of The Big Leap, people write me to tell me about their big leaps and that kind of thing. I always say I had the best inbox in town because now all I have to do is hit a button and wow, you know, I see these beautiful things. So everywhere around the world, you know, I got an email from somebody in the outback of Pakistan who had to walk 25 miles to some place to get the book, you know, and really amazing stories like that. And they're, they're obeying the same pool as a person is in Beverly Hills, who just had to send their butler down the street and get the book and bring it back. But everybody is got this in common, this yearning to express who we really are and what we're most uniquely suited to do, and blessings upon you and others like you who are in your genius zone now who have discovered that and can help lead other people into that. So I want to express my appreciation to you for every moment you worked your tail off to get into the genius zone, and now being in it, staying in it, you know, that's another trick there is to it.

Lesley Logan 13:59  

It's like a muscle.

Gay Hendricks 14:00  

It is, you know, or like core strength and Pilates. Why would I use that example?

Lesley Logan 14:08  

Okay, so thanks for bringing up the upper limit. And is it, okay, because when I created this podcast, Be It Till You See It, it's because people were asking me how I stay confident and I was like, inside sometimes I'm so scared because it's outside my comfort zone. And so here I am telling people to be it till they see it, which is like, there's a principle called the as if principle, acting as if you already have what you want, right? Which is not the same as being your zone of genius. But if you figure out your zone of genius, is you're gonna have to step into that. And part of that, to me is like, acting as if you know how to be there. Right? But every time we act outside of our comfort zone, as you've said, we upper limit ourselves and so I find that like, as I'm encouraging people to be it till they see it, if they don't know what their upper limits are, they're going to get there in their Be It moment and then have to pull back because we self-sabotage and something, you guys, and in Gay's book, you can learn all the different ways you do it. And one of the ways I discovered that I would upper limit myself is that I would, something would happen that's amazing, and then I would look for all the things that weren't finished yet. And I would go, yeah, but we haven't done this, this, this, this, this, and this, like, I just would list them all out. And so because I read that I was like, every time I was like, oh, that's just me upper limiting. I can, those things need to get done, but I can still celebrate this amazing thing. So, it's really awesome to have that kind of awareness of how we get in our own way.

Gay Hendricks 15:32  

Yeah, and most of it happens before we can think for ourselves, you know, a lot of these old limiting beliefs get installed at a very early age. And oftentimes, you know, two, three, four, five years old, you've already soaked up those limiting beliefs about what you can be in life. I had an amazing experience recently. I don't know if you heard but I broke my femur back in 2023. I've been, I've had, I have a rod and six bolts, and (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 16:05  

You are so lucky that they could fix it, you could also die. 

Gay Hendricks 16:10  

Oh, yeah, 100 years ago, I would have been in a real pickle. But I had a bad slip and fall out in my backyard near, it was a rainy day, and I slipped on a thing. And I went straight down on my knee. Anyway, busted my femur up royally. I'd never broken a bone before. And I hadn't even had a cold in 25 years. And so I was unused to receiving care. And I realized what an important thing it is, especially if you're a giver to get good at receiving and letting things in. And so that's been one of the big messages of this whole experience for me. So anyway, I've had some personal experiences over the last year of really seeing where my own limitations were in letting people care for me, and, you know, just kind of letting myself rest. And I have written 51 books in 50 years. So I've been a busy little fellow. And so it was so rare for me just to kind of lay back and let myself not do anything for 10 seconds or 10 minutes. But, so life will present to us whatever the issues are, I think just in the regular old process of living, but a couple of the big messages in The Big Leap, especially, is to get busy wondering about what your genius zone is. And I want to draw a big red circle around the word wondering because wondering is an underutilized human superpower. Because if you think about it, we go around all the time looking for answers outside ourselves and asking gurus and teachers and things like that. But what's rare is to actually just genuinely wonder about it yourself for 10 seconds or 10 minutes, you know, just to wonder, what is it I most love to do? That's the key question is, what do I most love to do? A second key question is, what do I most love to do that makes a contribution to other people, because see, human beings, we're contributors, we want to reach out to other people. We may not let ourselves do that, but that's who we are down inside. You know, we're I always say there are two types of people there are glommer and splitters. You know, there are a lot of people who like alone time, they don't like people as much. And that's great. But we all have inside both the glommer and the splitter. We all need union and we all need individuation—being our own person, thinking our own thoughts. So as close as Katie and I are, we have tremendous room in our relationship for each other to be interested in different things. She's interested in a whole bunch of different things that I'm not interested in, I'm interested in a whole bunch of things that she's not interested in. Some of them we share, you know, like I'm a baseball nut and I've gradually trained her over the years to be a Dodger fan, (inaudible) she's not naturally given to that, but on the other hand, I have not ever chosen to go to a dance performance or a ballet or modern dance until I met her and now I've been to dozens of them and really liked them. So, hopefully, people when they get together, will let each other be individuals and also find crossing points where they're in union, too. 

Lesley Logan 19:40  

Thank you for sharing your story about even as recently as a year ago, discovering some ways we can limit ourselves because I think it's really easy for us to go okay, I figured out my zone. Okay, figured out my upper limits, check check check. And we can just move on to the next thing but it's an awareness we have to develop and then it's something that will creep back in in different ways, especially when something uniquely different happens. I've, that's odd. So 10 years ago, I fractured my tibial plateau. And I bruise the head of my femur. And it was really hard for me because I was used to just doing everything on my own, my parents raised me be very independent, not need help from anybody, because then you owe them something. Right? Like that whole idea. And so I remember driving, going to the doctor and I was with my now husband, we'd been officially dating for one week, everyone, he said hey, he's like, I really like to feel needed. I really like to help people. So like, you're gonna be okay, because I'm going to help you through this. And I remember looking and going, you're just gonna have to do it because I'm not so good at asking. Like, I'm not gonna be able, I'm not sure I can ask you yet. And it was this really interesting few weeks of trying to like, noticing the different fears that came up, like worry that came up because I was in this new uncharted terrain. I've never broken a bone before. What happens when you're like, you can't walk on your leg. Like there's all these different questions that come up. And it's really can be overwhelming. And situations like that can bring back those upper limits, which we have to be aware of. So we know what's going on. Like, I could actually go okay, this is just fear that I've got, because it's not happening to me, there's like things I can learn from how do you help people figure out what their upper limits are? And then I guess if there's time, you know, what are some ways people can figure out their zone of geniuses as well? Like, in your Your Big Leap Year, you give us that hmm, I wonder—and I love that. But I'm just wondering if you have anything else for us?

Gay Hendricks 21:42  

Sure, well, first of all, take a snapshot or what some of the upper limit actions are that people will engage in, probably the number one upper limit activity is worrying. It's, I just urge everyone to just spend a day or two watching your worry thoughts. And here's my prediction, you will find that 99% of them are about things that you cannot possibly change or control. They're just spinning wheels in the mud, waiting to get some traction. And so just take a look, you won't believe me until you study it yourself. But notice that most of your worry thoughts are not about something you could actually make any difference or do. Some of them are, you know, you might have a worry thought, oh, gosh, though, (inaudible) or the washing machine is making a funny sound. I'll call the manufacturer and find out what happens if it's making that funny sound. That's not a worry thought that's a practical thought about taking care of good things. That's the use of the human thinking function. Where it gets out of control, of course, is when we overutilize that and start trying to plan the contingencies of every possible thing that could ever go wrong. And so you eat up a lot of your time and energy, looking for what's wrong and what's needs to be fixed and things like that, rather than looking for what would bring forth your genius. And so the big question everybody needs to live in is how can I expand my genius this very day? How can I do more of what I most love to do this day? How can I spend more time doing things that make a contribution to other people, but not in a martyr sense. You know, just to make a genuine contribution. There's somebody that could make a cake as a genuine contribution. There's 10 others that will make it as a martyr and not enjoy every moment of it, you know, and whatever tastes good either. So I, I think that one of the best things we can do is use our inner world as a laboratory and become the scientist that studies your inner laboratory because you'll find yourself worried. That's a big upper limit. Okay. So when you're doing that, here's what to notice. Notice that it's being driven by fear. One big thing to do to unhook your upper limit problems is to make a friend of fear. Get used to seeing when fear occurs in your body. Because every time you're doing an upper limit, you're scared. And it's so important because if you realize, oh, I'm scared and I'm cranking out mental scenarios of all the possible things that could go wrong. The best thing is to just notice, I'm scared because there's no way you can create all the scenarios in your mind to deal with that. One of the one of the turning point relationship moments in my relationship with Katie was we had made a vow to each other when we got together and decided to make a commitment to each other. But we made certain vows like one was to reveal rather than conceal, to always be looking for anything we hadn't said. Another one was to take responsibility in a healthy way— hmm, why would I be creating this argument right now? Rather than, why are you doing this to me right now? You know, that's a benign way of taking responsibility. I'm not saying blame yourself. Oh, why am I doing that again? Taking it on as a scientist. Hmm. I just noticed that I blamed dear. Here, let me look at what's going on in me. So here's just one moment. I was, I found myself criticizing Katie for something. I think she was a half hour late or something like that, coming home. And so I was talking to her in a kind of irritated tone of voice and I had this realization, oh, I sound irritated, angry. But what I'm feeling is fear in my belly. I noticed that and I just blurted it out, I just said that I said, you know, Katie, I just realized, I'm sounding like, I'm criticizing you, but what I'm feeling is fear in my belly. And I remember she suddenly just looked at me raptly like, oh, you know, like, we were in a process of discovery together. And that's what I mean by taking on your inner world, like a scientist and anthropologist to discover all these things. So what I said to her was, let me just take a second and figure out what I'm scared about. And so it only took me about two seconds, I tuned in, and I realized I just blurted this out, I said, I'm afraid I'm going to lose you. And she kind of started like that, you know, I say, I realize, I'm trying to, when I criticize you, I'm trying to keep you away so you won't get close enough to me so that it really matters if you leave me. I'm a, you know, it was like this little thing that had been down in my system. And there were some historical reasons why I might have felt that way. My mother, shortly after giving birth to me sort of disappeared. And so there was a kind of an imprint there of not having that person there. And so, you know, who knows what kind of things those old imprints can leave on us. But what I'm saying is, sometimes there's you know, a, quote, good reason for it. But still, I'm doing it in a relationship when I'm 34 years old. I don't have to repeat that over and over again. And so just by copping to that old pattern and copping to the fear, that changed our relationship completely. And so that was a real life example of revealing rather than concealing. 

Lesley Logan 28:03  

Yeah, I this is, I really like how you are asking us to have that awareness and also like sharing what is coming up, because it does take away its power. And as you mentioned, like, you don't have to keep repeating it. Because a lot of the things that we'll have, you know, as you expressed in your book, and you guys will go read it like, we have ones that we tend to use, those are our go to upper limits, and a lot of it is because of fear we're feeling. And because there's something new happening, we've stepped outside our comfort zone. You know, living in your zone of genius is amazing, and unique and different and scary and not and like it should feel comfortable but, our brain doesn't know that.

Gay Hendricks 28:48  

It's actually, yeah, one of the greatest things that when I was learning to be a psychotherapist, back 50 years ago, one of the things the professor said, one thing I want to remind you of, I'll be reminding, you'll be reminding other people of it 50 years from now, he said there's no such thing as a grown up. That's a good thing to keep in mind, you know, that. I wanted to also mentioned that the whole subject of creativity becomes increasingly important in relationships and in life in general, the older you get, and that's a key to it too. Because if you can make a real life real time commitment to getting more creative every day and owning more of your genius opening up to more of your genius. It starts with a commitment. You have to start somewhere by taking a stand. And the more heartfelt you can make about that commitment, the faster it will manifest. The universe likes a head commitment, okay, but it loves a head and heart commitment. That's why I tell all my students, the longest important journey they'll ever make is only 12 inches from here in their heads down to their heart to get your head and your heart in alignment and working together. Because then that gives you an unstoppable power to bring forth the things that are most important to you. And if you don't, well, I think in one of my books, I can't remember, I think it's in The Genius Zone. I found this quote from the Gospel of Thomas going back 2000 years, the gospel of Thomas was one of the gospels that didn't make it into the official Bible, but they were floating around and people were reading them at the time. And I don't know the whole history of why they didn't put that in the Bible. But maybe it's because of a couple of things like this. One of the quotes that Jesus is supposed to have said was, if you bring forth what is within you, what is within you will save you, if you do not bring forth what is within you, what is within you will destroy you. Wow, you know, think of your clients and you think of yourself, you know, like I think of myself and all the years I spent with unfulfilled potential eating at me, I feel so blessed that I discovered that at age 24, because I have people in here all the time that are closer to 74, and are still working on bringing forth what their true genius is.

Lesley Logan 31:25  

I love that. And I think you're right, I think that that verse is very fain and gives a lot of people more independence. What a beautiful quote. Okay, so you wrote Your Big Leap Year, which is a daily book. And I will say like, when I came across it, your posts came up on my feed and I was like, oh, oh, this is amazing. Obviously, like, you've written 50 other books. The reason to write this, I feel like, since I've read the other ones, it's almost like, I wonder kind of like why you decided to write a daily, as opposed to just saying, hey, guys, just go read the amazing books. I read already. And also, like, as I'm reading these, I feel like the project has to be humongous. Because breaking up all of your excellent work into a daily bite-sized piece for us to understand. It's, it's wonderful. It's absolutely wonderful. But I guess I would just love to know, like, what brought that,what was the impetus behind that?

Gay Hendricks 32:26  

Well, it came in from several directions. I mentioned my sweet inbox every day. And so I've collected hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people who wanted something like that, you know, Hey, have you considered writing a calendar or something, a day-at-a-time book. And I know, those are very popular. And I even wrote one many years ago called A Year of Living Consciously and it was, it was popular for a number of years. But anyway, they are hard to write because you have to, you know, take an idea and distill it down to something that somebody can do in one minute or 10 seconds or two minutes. And so an idea and a guided meditation or an idea and an intention to set or something like that. But anyway, it does require quite a bit of kind of diamond cutting, you know, fine-tune, paste intensive things, and rewriting. But you know, it was I just set myself the task of writing, you know, 10 of them a day. And sometimes I'd exceed that. I'm a disciplined writer. I love to write and I love to write in the morning. By about this time of the day, like here in my part of the world, I'm recording this, I think at nine o'clock in the morning, by this time of the day, I'm finished with my writing, I'm an early riser. So I wake up at 4:30 or five, something like that. And I meditate and have a cup of coffee, and all those kind of things play with the cats and my wife likes to sleep in till 7:30 or eight. So I have those couple hours where it's just me and the two cats. And so I, a disciplined writer, after I meditate and all that I come in, and I sit down and I will usually work for a couple of hours in a kind of a zone, you know, I get into the zone. And so once I'm in the zone, didn't matter if I write two of those or 20 of them, you know, as long as I'm still in the zone, and then at a certain point, usually around eight or 8:30 whenever my wife happens to be getting up, I'm usually about the end of my writing time. And so anyway, I wanted to say that a lot of people, I'll come back to why I wrote the book, but a lot of people think that writing is about inspiration, but it's a lot about perspiration, too. It's a lot about daily commitment and showing up. You know, they always say, how's the definition of a writer, it's a person who writes, you know, so whether it's 10 minutes a day or two hours a day like I may do, it doesn't really matter as long as you're getting into your creative zone and it doesn't have to be writing, it could be just about anything. We say around here that creativity is anything that has the capacity to surprise you. So at least once a day when I'm writing, I'll write a sentence. And I'll stop. And I'll say, wow, where did that come from? You know, and it comes from the fact that I've been doing it for my life. But it also comes out of nowhere. Because if you're open to inspiration, these little happy surprises will happen. And so look for those kinds of things that give you that permission, I wanted to come back around to why I wrote the book, there's a wonderful publisher. I'll give him the name Joel. And he works for one of the big publishing houses. And I've known him on and off for 30 years at least. And interestingly enough, he was at the one time employed in a bookstore and hand-sold our book, Conscious Loving, when it came out 30 or 35 years ago. So anyway, we have a rich, long history. And he called me up one day, and he said, hey, I have a great idea. Have you? Have you considered writing a day book of The Big Leap? And I said, my first thought was, you and 1500 other had that genius idea. What took you so long? And, but he has other books to publish, too. So he's, but he's a Big Leap fan. And he wanted to get the word out to more people. And so he was another inspiration for writing a book. And so when the publisher himself calls you and says, you know, we want to publish your book, would you please write it? I've, you know, I said, okay, that's a good cue from the universe. And as that happened, I was soon to be engaged with the process of not going anywhere, sitting around nursing my leg, you know?

Lesley Logan 36:56  

Yeah, you didn't have a lot of other things to do with a broken femur.

Gay Hendricks 37:01  

So I went into this reality tunnel called the medical establishment, you know, and so I've been very used to going and getting my bones X-ray and everything. So the long drama of hurting myself, but it gave me a good excuse to sit around not to doing anything else. And so I, I, for a period of time, I stopped running around giving keynote speeches and doing all the things that are lucrative additions to my life. But I decided just to focus on the book for a while, and it worked out just fine.

Lesley Logan 37:35  

I really love it. I love the hmm, it's just, it's fabulous. And I also love you guys can start at any day of the year. So you don't have to start on the January 1st, it just starts on the day you start it you pick it up. Okay? I have. Yes.

Gay Hendricks 37:50  

As it happens. I have one here behind me.

Lesley Logan 37:53  

Me, too. My copy of The Big Leap I gave to someone who was at my house, it was literally upper limiting in front of me. And I was like, you have to read this book. Just keep it and pass it on, I will get another. So I, okay, in The Big Leap, you have a whole chapter on Einstein Time and Newton time. And I have to say, the first time I listened to it, I was like, where's this chapter? This whole section, it seems like its own book. And then the second and third time I like went through it I was like, oh, this is this is a genius chapter. This is the thing we all need to know. Can you tell me a little bit about how you decided for Einstein, and that Newton time chapter in The Big Leap and kind of because it's just, it's fascinating, fabulous. But it really the first time I was like, this is the whole this is like out of left field. 

Gay Hendricks 38:44  

Yes. Well, first of all, thank you. And I appreciate you appreciating it, because it was my favorite chapter in there. And it's actually the one probably that generates the most email from people saying, wow, I've been thinking about this for 10 years. And I just got it, you know, because a lot of times it takes a while to sink in. But here's the thing. Okay. Sir Isaac Newton, great genius. Look him up some time, amazing human being. But he changed physics by naming some things that nobody had figured out before. So picture him under the apple tree, the apple falls off and bonks him in the forehead. Oh, there's a force—gravity, where would that come from? Oh, that's interesting. It's almost as if the Earth has some kind of an iron ore inside itself. It's not all dirt all the way down. So, observations like that, 300 or 400 years ago, were big time or like, you know, looking up and saying, wow, the sun doesn't go around the Earth. We're going around the sun. You know, that's what made everything makes sense. They didn't have to have all these complicated physics of things that suddenly went. And so in came this tick-tock version of time. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction Tick, tock, tick tock. That happened to coincide with the birth of the industrial revolution where people had to start showing up on time when the whistle blew. And if you were five minutes late, more than five minutes late, you got your pay docked for that for the hour. And so people became more and more conditioned over the hundreds of years, to bind themselves very carefully to that notion of tick-tock time. As you would expect, though, human beings, being who we are, and our lovable, slightly maddening ways, will often have an imperfect adaptation to time like some of us become highly time-conscious. And we're the ones that show up a minute early and get tweaked because the rest of the people haven't shown up in their seats. I used to be one of those, believe it or not, for my first grade birthday. What did I want more than anything else? I wanted a wristwatch. And the one I wanted, I remember, was the outrageous price of $2.99. Man, but I worked up courage to ask for it. And my granddad and my grandma and my mom pulled their money to get me that $2.99 wristwatch. So I became the only kid in the first grade to be sporting a wristwatch, you know, so I became the timekeeper for everything. Now the other adaptation to time is to be a time slacker. You're the one that shows up five minutes late. And everybody says where have you been? And you're the one that doesn't show up, and people have to apologize for so, of the two, which one was yours, Lesley, my dear? 

Lesley Logan 42:03  

Oh, I'm the person with the watch. My dad is like, if you're not five minutes early, you're five minutes late, and I live by that. And I'm gonna tell you right now, my husband is a time slacker. He's like classes at six. So we're walking in the door at six, we're fine. And I'm like, no (inaudible) in the locker. We have to say, we have to take (inaudible) or not on time, we're not ready for class.

Gay Hendricks 42:25  

Yeah, so of all the people on earth, who, when a time freak, go out and marry, you want to find one that looks like an automatic fixer upper project for you to engage for your life done.

Lesley Logan 42:40  

He's helped me be late for some things we are working on it. I've helped him be more on time, he's helped me be more late.

Gay Hendricks 42:48  

Well, I'll say I've had more fun with that, that dynamic because in every audience I've ever spoken to, it doesn't matter if they're people in Calcutta or wherever, you know, everybody has their own adaptatin to time. Now, here's the thing. Beyond Newtonian time, is what I call Einstein Time. And let me tell you how that works. Because when Einstein came along, it explained a whole bunch of things about physics that Newton didn't get near, he couldn't figure him out. And one of the things that Einstein had was his theory of relativity. And I'll explain it to you just like he explained it to a group of people that happen to be I think, 15-year-olds, he was asked to explain theory of relativity to some high school people or something like that. And so he said, basically, that an hour with your beloved goes by like a minute, whereas a minute sitting on a hot stove, goes by, like an hour. And why is that? In other words, he was getting at the thing that time expands or contracts, depending on the quality of our experience. Wow, big time shift there. Because when I realized that, and by the way, I have a picture of Albert Einstein, one of my prized possessions on my wall is an autographed picture of Albert Einstein that my wife gave me for winning my first, I'm tearing up a little bit because it was, you know, sort of a expensive thing, but she gave it to me for my birthday. And I was very touched by it and work near it all the time. But Einstein, one of the things in his notebooks, he talks about wandering about a particular problem in physics every day for 27 years. Okay, that's a good wonderer, you know, before you finally kind of cracked the problem, you thought about it and wondered about it for 27 years. So wonder, is this incredible tool that human beings have access to that I want to inspire you now to wonder about how could you transform your experience of time? No matter where you're hearing or watching this now and in the future, how can you transform your experience of time? So it was never an issue for you. So you are never late, never early, where you were always exactly where you needed to be at the time you needed to be there. What would need to happen for that to happen? Well, that's the shift into Einstein Time. And it goes in several steps. One step is to start noticing where you complain about time, or where you address other people about time in a limiting way. For example, I caught myself when I first started studying this 30 years ago on myself, I, I kind of cracked my own time problem back in the 80s. And so I realized that one of the things that I did was I use time as an excuse, in basically telling a lie to other people. And I would always say something like, somebody would want to talk to me about something. And I'd listened to what they had to say. And then I would say, hey, listen, I wish I had time. But I've got this other thing I got to do. Okay, so that's using time as an excuse. What's the excuse for it? Well, it avoids the more vulnerable thing of saying, I don't want to talk to you anymore, right now. You know, that's kind of a different communication and those kinds of things. It's true. But we usually don't blurt those things out to other people. So you can administer your own dose of that first start with a little homeopathic dose of telling the truth in safe ways before you start actually doing it out there in the general world, because you will get, you know, if the grocery boy asks you, how are you today? And you say, well, actually, I just switched my meds and I'm feeling f* up. You know, that's, that might be the truth. But it's a little bit of truth is a blunt weapon, you know that. So you have to moderate your dose of it to get by and be successful in the real world. And the moderation is owning it all, owning it all, owning time. And so when people say, do you have a moment, I will sometimes, if I like them, I'll say, I'm where time comes from. Because that's the bottom line thing in Einstein Time. You take responsibility for creating whatever way about time you want to create, but you do it out of your own chosen creativity, not on an adaptation you may have taken on when you were in junior high school, being the being the slacker or being the, you know, why is everybody running late? You know, where's the teacher, you know, she's supposed to be here. So I think that the big thing is to make that move where you kind of go from thinking of something out here as where the problem is to saying, how could I make up my own relationship with time where I was impeccable in the material world and showing up where I needed to be when I agreed to be there. And I'm also in charge of making up as much time as I need to express my genius. That's a big deal. Because the more you can commit yourself to bringing forth more and more of your genius every day, then what you're doing is you're on a path that human beings hunger for all over the world, and you've chosen to be on that path, the path of expanding your genius, and what better way to spend your life. You know, there, it being your endless quest, no matter what out wherever else you're doing. You may be the you know, president into this, or the head of the Safeway, grocery store. But what you're also really interested in is bringing forth more of your genius and your employees' genius. 

Lesley Logan 49:37  

Yeah. Oh my gosh, okay. You're phenomenal. You're amazing. We're gonna take a brief break because I feel like we've been an Einstein time if, this is amazing. We're gonna take a brief break and we'll come back and find out where people can find you work with you and your Be It Action Items.

Lesley Logan 49:52  

Alright Gay, where do you like people to go? Do you want them to read books? Do you want them to go to your website? Where should they hang out with you?

Gay Hendricks 49:59  

Oh, yes. Come to our website, that's where all the information is gathered. And that's hendricks.com with a C-K-S. H-E-N-D-R-I-C-K-S. And although I met Jimmy Hendricks, six years ago on spell my name differently without the x, so hendricks.com and there, you can find out also about how to jump over to our nonprofit foundation, if you want to look at all the free videos and stuff like that kind of self-training materials we have over there for couples and individuals. So that's the main place and of course, the books are wherever you get your books. Amazon, Barnes and Noble, your local Best Seller, bookstore, those kinds of places, look for us there we'll always be there. And the big thing, though, is to every opportunity, if you think of, if you even think of one of these, use it as an opportunity to wonder about how you can bring forth more of your genius at that moment. 

Lesley Logan 50:59  

Yeah, that's I think the best thing we can all take away. That's like our Be It Action Item right there. You don't know this. But I have tattooed on my thumb. I'm left-handed. So, I tattooed on my left thumb it says, I wonder. I did it probably in 2020. Because I used to grab our dog and hug her in the morning. I used to go Gaia, I wonder how we're going to... and like, I would just like blurt out a question. And I would let it like, hanging out. And what happens is, you know, in 2020, everyone's lives change in a big way. And for my, my, for me, and my husband, like our entire business stopped and how we did things change. And I realized I wasn't in wonderment more, and I had, so I need to see it every day. And so I love how much you ask us to wonder.

Gay Hendricks 51:54  

It's human being's underutilized superpower in my view, so the more you wonder, the more beautiful life becomes. 

Lesley Logan 52:04  

Yeah, yeah. Gay, you've given us so much. You've given the world so much. I mean, 51 books. Thank you so much for you coming on the show. Truly, this an honor. And I feel like you've given us a lot of different things to think about. So thank you. Thank you for being you. Thank you for (inaudible) us out there and you know, everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life, make sure you check out Gays books and also go to hendricks.com. And I hope you wonder more, and share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Until next time, be it till you see it. 

Lesley Logan 52:38  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 53:20  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 53:25  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 53:30  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 53:37  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 53:40  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Experience a celebration of wins with Lesley Logan as she shares uplifting listener stories and her experiences of staying ahead. This episode emphasizes the value of preparation and the joy of recognizing progress. Get inspired to spot and celebrate your achievements, and find out how a small win can make a big difference.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How celebrating small wins can change your outlook on life's challenges.
• How a Cambodia retreat came to fruition for Megan Clements' business.
• Advanced preparation and teamwork ensured a stress-free summer tour.
• Why celebrating wins together fosters a sense of belonging and support.

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• OPC Summer Tour

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Friday. Happy FYF. This is one of those quickie, little podcast that tell you all the amazing things that can happen out there that could be considered wins to help inspire you to see what wins are happening in your life. Because, yes, there's crap that happens, obstacles that are happening all the time. We don't always even share the bad things that happen because it's just like, how do you know it's bad, right? But, which is really important to celebrate some wins so we can really see that there are good things happening for us. So let me start with one of your wins. You can send your wins in the Be It Pod and we'll read them out here. So our win this week is from Megan Clements. After a very weird and uncomfortable week feeling uncertain and disjointed it came together today. Two successful mentor meetings equals two new mentoring clients. Both very different goals so it will be super interesting to work with. My bond from my studio that I handed the keys back at the beginning of the year was deposited in my account today and I got to pay back my parents who financially helped me set up the studio. New branding photos that look amazing I can't wait to see the finished photos equals being able to slowly rebrand myself and a giant FYF. Yeah, you know what Megan, I love that you're celebrating that it is a giant FYF so congratulations on that. Megan came with us to Cambodia and, last fall, and I, it's really been cool to see the things that she came up with in our breathwork sessions and our workshops at the Cambodia retreat come to fruition and how they're coming out in her life. It's really fun. 

Lesley Logan 2:10  

All right, one of my wins. I'm gonna go next. So my win, we are ready and ahead of schedule for summer tour, oftentimes we're like last minute so many things we've got to plan, we gotta do, got to figure out and because it's our sixth one and we really have dialed in, like what do we need to be the most amazing humans on tour? It is ready to go, our team has all this done and ready to go and they're already working on winter tour like that is like dialing in so quick. So we can be ready to go with that without even having like it'll be announced sooner than normal, because it's already going to be done. And I love that because not only can you plan ahead, but we can plan ahead and our team can focus on other things to support you. So I'm just super excited because have you ever like had a trip coming up and like you're like the last minute still packing? We're not. We're not doing that anymore. And we're ready ahead of schedule. So that is my win. Isn't it cool? How a win can just be being packed and ready to go? It can. That's a win. You guys, you have wins in your life happening all the time. So what's your FYF? I want to know, send it into the Be It Pod so we can celebrate you. 

Lesley Logan 3:13  

Your mantra for the weekend is I strive for joy not for perfection. I strive for joy not for perfection. I strive for joy not for perfection. You guys, you can have joy without having a ton of perfection. You are amazing. Thank you so much for being a Be It Pod listener. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 3:33  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 4:01  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 4:16  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 4:21  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 4:25  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 4:32  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 4:36  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

What do you want the version of you to look like? Brad Crowell and Lesley Logan reflect on a recent interview with business coach Kareen Walsh, highlighting the impact of taking action in achieving success. They discuss overcoming procrastination and perfectionism, emphasizing the pivotal role of self-reflection and inner work. Additionally, they explore the differences between Contrology and Studio Reformer equipment. Ready to take bold steps toward your dreams? Tune in for motivation, personal growth, and actionable insights!

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why procrastination occurs with tasks you don't genuinely want to do.
• The importance of accepting imperfections and being true to yourself.
• Why introspection is necessary, especially when life feels monotonous.
• Why manifestation requires both visualization and actionable steps.
• How to identify where you are out of integrity and make necessary changes. 

Episode References/Links:

• Earth Overshoot Day
• OPC Summer tour
• eLevate mentorship program
• Cambodia retreat
• 40 day Trial for $40
• Kareen Walsh Website
• Your Badass Journey
• Kareen Walsh Episode 27

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

Nothing happens unless you take action. But you can still envision it right? So she's talked about bringing that energy into the manifestation. And that is how you act until the thing actually happens, right? So believing in the vision, then take action to make it happen, because nothing can be manifested without taking action.

Lesley Logan 0:20  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Brad, and I, are going to dig into the energizing convo I had with Kareen Walsh in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode, you should listen to it at some point this week for all the amazing reasons that we're going to talk about in this episode. But first, today is July 25th 2024. And it's Earth Overshoot Day. So about this day, we're observing Earth Overshoot Day on July 25th. This is a serious day for all of us to reconsider our way of life and usage of natural resources. Our Mother Earth can only regenerate resources at a finite rate. But we're utilizing it more than this rate every year. Earth Overshoot Day was introduced to raise awareness about the resource shortage that we are creating with our modern lifestyle. Once the regeneration resources' at its limit we exploit what was left of the resources making the situation even worse. Andrew Simms started the idea behind Earth Overshoot Day to track the ecological resources and services we use from nature. By the way, not that he needs any downloads from us. But John Oliver did a really cool episode recently about the mining of the oceans. And it's very fascinating because people are trying to say this is where we have to go for more resources for batteries and we do not. There are other ways to do it. So please educate yourself on these things. And as someone who was born and raised in a drought and turns the lights off in every room (inaudible), like you can do those things, too. It's very simple. So take care of the resources you have. It's and that doesn't mean hoard. It just means like, you know, be thoughtful about things. If you live in a place that gets lots of rain, just know some of us don't have any. So just be thoughtful. Okay? Be thoughtful. 

Brad Crowell 2:42  

Yeah. If you want to learn more about this go to overshoot.footprintnetwork.org and you'll find more about that Earth Overshoot Day. 

Lesley Logan 2:50  

Cool, amazing. Okay, we are days away from taking off for our sixth tour powered by Balanced Body. So we are super, super excited. We are heading 13 cities in 15 days. Holy freaking molly. I'm excited to see how this turns out. And many of those cities are selling out or sold out. So you'll want to go to opc.me/tour to get your spot. You do not have to have a lot of experience in Pilates to come, you can bring your friend. I just invited the real estate agent who shows me every new listing in my neighborhood and I said okay, great. I'm not going to come to this open house because I have one but you should come to my pop-up. And she is, she's totally coming. So, opc.me/tour to grab your tickets to our 13 cities. It's Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Denver, Lincoln, Nebraska, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Chicago, you know where that's at? Cleveland. That's the same you know where that is, too. Dayton, Ohio. 

Brad Crowell 3:45  

Indianapolis, Indiana. 

Lesley Logan 3:47  

Indy, St. Louis and Kansas City. 

Brad Crowell 3:50  

And then Colorado Springs.

Lesley Logan 3:51  

Colorado Springs, because there's two Kansas cities we should just say it's Kansas City, Kansas. So there you go.

Brad Crowell 3:56  

There's also two St. Louis's. Also split by a river.

Lesley Logan 4:03  

No one talks about that other one, then. So my eLevate mentorship program for 2025 and application doors are open. We've accepted a ton of people. And at the time that we're recording this I have no idea if there's spots available, but there might be so you should check it out so you don't have to wait till 2026. If you're a Pilates instructor who is wanting to really understand the method in a way that gives you freedom and permission to not over plan, over cue, overcorrect, over talk and also prioritizes your practice first go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. 

Brad Crowell 4:30  

Yup, lesleylogan.co/elevate. Next up, Cambodia. February 2025. We're gonna be taking another group with us and we got a few spots left to for that, crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. And you've heard us wax eloquently about Cambodia over the years. So I'm going to trust you've already heard us talk about that. But I'm telling you, you got to come, it's worth it. Next up, we got OPC. As you know, OPC is an amazing place where you can take classes, workshops, find exercises, we've, by the way, we have like 400 free tutorials or something, I can't remember how many tutorials on there. So it's an incredible resource that you can be tapping into if you haven't already been doing that. And we have added two new teachers. So we're really excited about that. 

Lesley Logan 5:22  

And we've added, we've added that you can take a class for up to two weeks now. 

Brad Crowell 5:26  

Yeah, we can, yeah, that's right. Now, we've actually got two classes available a week, we're going to be overlapping them. So you'll have access to a class for two weeks. If you were sick on week one no worries, we'll keep that class up for a second week. So, good news. That is exciting. It's really cool to see a shift change and grow over the years. And that's because people just like you are joining us in there. But if you haven't yet, or you want to come back and join us again, go to opc.me/40 opc.me/40. Take a 40 day trial for $40. 

Lesley Logan 5:57  

It's like 40 days and 40 nights, but really, it's 40 for $40. 

Brad Crowell 6:00  

It's 40 for $40. Yeah, and then from there, it rolls into a membership of your choice. Right? So we've got based on the different equipment you have access to opc.me/40 

Lesley Logan 6:10  

All right, we have an audience question before we get into our recap of Kareen. So Brad, what is it? 

Brad Crowell 6:15  

We sure do. This is from Sloth Papa on YouTube. 

Lesley Logan 6:15  

What a great name. 

Brad Crowell 6:15  

Oh, yes, Sloth Papa. He asked, "How did you like going from the Studio Reformer to the Contrology line?" So for those of you who don't know what that means, this is a different line of Pilates equipment. The Studio Reformer line.

Lesley Logan 6:31  

Balanced Body creates the Studio Reformer and they also create Contrology. 

Brad Crowell 6:34  

Balanced Body creates both Studio Reformer line and Contrology. He said I recently got a studio reformer, replaced the wheels with bushings for more of a muddy drag classical field. I love it. But I can't help but think that I'm missing out on a classical reformer. What are your thoughts? 

Lesley Logan 6:52  

You are. 

Brad Crowell 6:50  

Yeah, sorry, Sloth Papa, you are. That's the answer. 

Lesley Logan 6:53  

And I say this with all the love and kindness. And remember, we are powered by Balanced Body for our tours. So I teach in a lot of Studio Reformers. And here's the deal, you can lengthen your straps to be as long as a leather strap would be. You can add handles, which would create more of a handle-like feeling. And but you can't change the springs. And even if you add the bushing for more muddy feel, you still can't change the fact that the ropes don't act like leather. And the springs don't have a long neck which means the spring still close the equipment, you don't close the equipment. 

Brad Crowell 7:29  

Gotta get those long necks. 

Lesley Logan 7:30  

So, on the Contrology line, when the spring is closed, the carriage is not closed. For those who've never heard of a reformer, this is really boring. With that being said, it's really amazing. And it's incredible. And I love that you're getting as creative as you can with what you have. And I will also say if you really want a classical feel, you can sell your Studio Reformer for probably full price to someone who needs it. And you can get yourself a Contrology line. And by the way, if you love your Studio Reformer, I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying if, you're, like, we can only make so many changes to something before it's not the same thing. And by the way, if you are using a Studio Reformer taking classical classes, drop your ropes on your risers, people, drop them all the way down. And if that doesn't mean anything to you, we're about to get to the episode and so thanks for sticking through it. Send your question in and we will answer it. Doesn't have to be Pilates, can be life, can be music, can be anything. We want to answer your questions because we love giving you honest feedback. So if you want Contrology, we do have an affiliate. So grab our link, save some money, or hit me up with your email and I'll connect you with my salesperson so you can go right to the source. 

Brad Crowell 8:33  

Yeah, but otherwise, you can find that at opc.me/perks, opc.me/perks. Stick around we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 8:40  

Okay, now let's talk about Kareen Walsh. Kareen Walsh is a seasoned entrepreneur known for building seven-figure businesses and is celebrated as the ultimate business healer. Her purpose is to be a conduit to help others manifest and materialize their dreams. She is also a top business strategist, coach and investor, and the host of the podcast Your Badass Journey where she shares insights and stories to inspire and empower her audience aiming to accelerate their growth by leveraging her lessons learned over more than a decade in the corporate world and then being a business owner herself. I guess that's probably more than a decade on those two things. Okay. As you may or may not know, actually, you may or may not know this, Kareen, we have been coaching with Kareen for a number of years, she has actually been uniquely responsible for some changes in our business that made our lives a whole lot better which is, I'm alluding to our switching hats a couple of years ago. And not only that, but has been, you know, become a friend in a way. Really amazing brainstorming buddy and still someone who, you know, is very invested in what we're doing. And it's been awesome. 

Lesley Logan 9:52  

Yeah, I mean, we love her and she's back we are gonna have some more changes because we got to like hash some stuff out with her which is great. So I wanted to bring her back because her life has changed so much since she was back first on the show. 

Brad Crowell 10:04  

Yeah, I think she was 2021. 

Lesley Logan 10:06  

Oh, for sure. She was like episode 17 or 57. At any rate, it was like she was. And she was so, so great, Brad's gonna see which number if I'm correct or not with that. She's so great. And I wanted to bring her back on because I think it's really cool for you guys to see how someone can be it till you see it again and again and again. And so one of the things that we got to talk about was about procrastination, how it shows up in something you don't really want. 

Brad Crowell 10:33  

You were very close. Episode 27 and 28. 

Lesley Logan 10:37  

Oh, there we go. 

Brad Crowell 10:38  

And now, 397.

Lesley Logan 10:40  

Oh. Okay. 

Brad Crowell 10:43  

This is 398. 

Lesley Logan 10:44  

That's amazing. Okay, well, clearly, she's got some numbers in there. So we're gonna know how procrastination shows up in something you don't really want. So like if you really want it, you'll take action towards it. But the perfectionist has hesitation on putting out anything until it feels absolute. And absolute is really hard in the human world. Because we're meant to be a little messy, which attracts other messy people, which is like, actually, like not a bad thing. There's a difference between dirty and messy, just so you know. And it believes it's not about perfection that causes hesitation to put your real self out in the world. I actually thought this is really interesting, because I have always attributed to like you procrastinate on things that you don't really have a goal around, you haven't attached it to your goal in a way that makes you want to do it. And it's kind of like the same thing. She's like, you don't really want it. And so like, we procrastinate on the things we don't really want. And I feel like no less, I really want this thing, but I just am too scared. Because I'm like, you don't really want like get honest about because if you really, really want it, you would actually take action because people do like, it's like as simple as like, if he really likes you he'll call. It's just like that. If you really wanted something, you (inaudible) a way to pay for it. I'll tell you right now, there are some chairs in this house that we did not need, but I really wanted them and I figured out a way to make sure I could get them. You know, so like we do take action towards things you really want. So if you are finding yourself procrastinating on perfectionism it's because you haven't figured how you connect it to something you really want to do and or you are not allowing yourself to be a little bit messy in this messy world and to explore it comes from now it's probably a lot more fun. 

Brad Crowell 12:19  

Yeah, one of the things that that I really dug, she was talking about monotony and self-reflection or introspection, right? So she said when life becomes monotonous, we often convince ourselves that we are fine without that introspection. And I felt like her argument against that was pretty solid, she said that we have to have an inner awakening, it has to happen. She was specifically talking about what, in this case, her life wasn't monotonous. But in the same way, on the flip side, she had to still do introspection, because during COVID, her business really grew amazingly, like it like really, really took off. And she realized I gotta show up as a different person now. And it took a lot of introspection to do what she did, and to make the changes that she made in her life. But what she was talking about here is when we feel like life is boring or monotonous, that same inner awakening needs to happen. We need to actually take up, shake it up and allow ourselves to dream again, right? Because the worthiness of dreaming, again, is tied to recognizing your self-worth. This is really interesting, right? We get into a groove, we forget why we got into this groove in the first place even though we might have felt like there was a reason to get in here. A couple of years down the line, you're in a rut, you're just running the same play every single day. And then the idea of changing out of that can seem a little scary. And also it's like, well, I got here for a reason. Why am I here? And so we don't actually look at ourselves with value, to set aside time to think about change, let alone making the change. I mean, just even conceptualize it. So I love this idea of shaking it up allowing yourself to dream again, when you dream, you're telling yourself that you have value. And a lot of us don't allow ourselves to dream because we're afraid, right? And we're devaluing ourselves. She said, allow yourself to realize that how you've been showing up and who you've been showing up for is no longer who you actually desire to be. Maybe you are ready to change, maybe you're ready to change a lot of things. For herself, and the challenge she asked us was, what is that version of me that I want to show up as? What do I want me to actually look like? You know, and it's, it's funny, because I think, especially when you're in high school and college, you're like, you know, how do I want people to perceive me? And today, it's been so long since we made that decision, we kind of forget, and we're just who we are and we're like, oh yeah, this is me. You know, take it or leave it and that's fine. But also, what if you what if you thought about that again now? What if you thought, well, I could change again, I could actually grow again now at this point in my life, you know, and I think that's pretty awesome. 

Lesley Logan 15:08  

I do. I do like the question of like, what do I want the version of me to look like because that's a be it till you see it. That's a great be it till you see it question. 

Brad Crowell 15:14  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 15:14  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 15:16  

Yeah, it's awesome. She said aim for the most outstanding version of yourself because that's going to bring you excellent results. Stick around. 

Brad Crowell 15:25  

Alright, finally, let's talk about those, say it with me, Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kareen Walsh? Well. 

Lesley Logan 15:36  

I hope everyone can say it with you by now. It's episode 398, you've done this 199 times. 

Brad Crowell 15:42  

Yeah, it's true. A lot. A lot. Yeah, so her Be It Till You See It approach is energy is how you act in it until it actually happens. Energy is how you act in it until it actually happens. Believing in your vision, take action to make it happen. Let me clarify this. You two we're talking about manifestation. Right? And the manifestation was, you know, we think of manifestation and it's like, I wished it into being. And she was like, oh, hell, no, that's not manifestation. That's just like, hope, you know, wish-wish marketing. Right? She said, you still had to take action. Nothing happens unless you take action. But you can still envision it, right? So she's talked about bringing that energy into the manifestation. And that is how you act until the thing actually happens, right? So believing in the vision, then take action to make it happen. Because nothing can be manifested without taking action. She advised to get clear on your perspective and how you treat yourself in the process. Right? So just think back a little bit. We were talking about dreaming, putting value on yourself. You know, she talked about how do I want to show up in, you know, in this space? And who do I want to turn into who I want to be continuous growth and evolving is hard. But to fully visualize, you can, it can help determine the stance that you want. Okay and what about you? 

Lesley Logan 17:11  

I really liked that she said, as an action item, step into a life of integrity of whom you're meant to become. Look inward and assess where you are out of integrity. So it's going back to last week's episode with the values thing, it's like, kind of actually kind of amazing how these two go back to back together so well, but looking, like, do a self -assessment of your of like, of who you are. And just notice, like, if you believe that you are someone who shows up when they say they're going to and you are someone who feels themselves properly and you rest, then if you are staying up late watching Netflix, and you're showing up late to your own job that you've already created, and hitting snooze, then you're out of integrity with who you are. And of course, it's gonna be frustrating, of course, is going to even feel monotonous or even not fun. And so really, truly like taking, taking some time to like look at where you are in alignment with your values, and also where you're out of integrity with them. And then you can make some changes. So you can do the inner work to fix all of that. And if you are able to do that, then you'll have a better, clearer lens on what you truly desire, it's what she said. And what you want to actually become very clear, but it's the inner work, so it takes a lot of time. So you got to give yourself that permission. But without it, it's just more noise, you're just going to be like ingesting, ingesting more and more tips and not actually integrating them. So there you go. 

Brad Crowell 18:39  

Yeah, no, I thought it was you know, there's quite a challenge there to be willing to hold yourself accountable. 

Lesley Logan 18:46  

Yeah, absolutely. It's not fun. It's not fun to go oh, I'm the problem. It's, "Hi, it's me." It's the only Taylor Swift song I know, guys, and I really love it. I like constantly just like hi, I'm the problem. It's me. And you know what, the more you do that it goes back to (inaudible) we got him on the podcast. He was like responsibilities like you were able to respond. When you take responsibility for something, it means you're able to respond. And so things you don't like in your life, things you do like in your life, like you can actually have the ability to respond. You have to do the inner work and it's not easy. It's not fun, but you get to have the life of integrity and you get to have the life that you want. And it's really, really cool. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 19:21  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 19:22  

How are you going to use these tips in your life today? Let us know. Tag Kareen, tag the Be It Pod, share this with a friend who needs to hear it, that is how this podcast grows. We're gonna be dropping episode 400 very, very soon. It is my favorite guest in life. Dream guest, huge guest and so it would mean the world to me if you share all of these episodes to as many people as possible so that they get the 400th episode into their downloads on the day it drops we can have the biggest day of downloads ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. Thank you so much and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 19:56  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 19:57  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 20:25  

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Kareen Walsh and Lesley Logan explore the journey of manifesting dreams through integrity, action, and self-awareness, sharing their experiences in launching successful businesses and navigating entrepreneurial challenges. They discuss the importance of validating new ideas through feedback and highlight the ongoing pursuit of authentic success. With insights on overcoming fears, aligning goals, and most importantly, taking action, this episode offers valuable lessons and inspiration to fuel your own dreams.

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• The importance of having clear goals and visions.
• How fear of failure or feedback from others can hold you back.
• Why inner work is crucial for aligning with your true desires.
• How leveraging technology can help in creating a legacy. 
• The significance of focusing on feedback from relevant sources.
• The necessity of taking action to turn visualization into reality.
• How to step into integrity to become who you’re meant to be.

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Episode Transcript:

Kareen Walsh 0:00  

It was a very transformative few years because I refused to deny myself the truth of what was really going on with me and what I really wanted. And so once I stood in my truth and I was like, Okay, this is what I want then I had to stand in integrity in my action. So the be it till you see it energy is how you act in it until it actually happens.

Lesley Logan 0:28  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:10  

All right, Be It babe. So here's the deal. I got my besties back on the pod this woman is Kareen Walsh. You maybe remember her from the first year we had the podcast. She has the best quote of your hustles should never become a hassle. And if your hustle is become a hassle, then you should probably call Kareen. But she and I talked a little bit about manifestation. We talked about procrastination. I love that we got to talk about how her life has evolved since the last time she was on. And I think it's so, so, so important. I like to have some of our guests come back again because their life has changed and they have shifted and it's important for you to know that in the Be It Till You See It process, it is not like you ever make it, you know, like, "Nailed it." It's always evolving. We're always evolving. And so Kareen and her life and what she shares with you in today's episode is a really great example of that. So I'm so, so excited for you to hear that in today's episode. Here's Kareen. 

Lesley Logan 2:05  

All right, Be It babe. I'm so excited. We have a special interview for you. Clearly, you can see we're in a special, special place. But we have Kareen Walsh here. You've been on the pod before, but just in case anyone hasn't listened to the episode yet, or doesn't know you, somehow, can you tell them who you are and what you rock at?

Kareen Walsh 2:21  

Sure. And first before we even jump into that, your community is amazing. Like, literally, your listeners, every time, even when I did that initial episode, I mean the amount of people that just reached out and like want to learn more. So thank you for having me on again. I love our conversations.

Lesley Logan 2:37  

Oh my god. So here we go on it (inaudible). Everyone quotes my hustle's become a hassle. But like, 'cause you said, go listen to that first episode guys because she says it's okay to have a hustle just can't become a hassle, I was like, it's no longer for you. So anyways, okay (inaudible).

Kareen Walsh 2:57  

Basically, my purpose is, I believe, is to be a conduit to help others manifest and materialize their dreams, whether it's in life or business. I happen to be a top business strategist, coach, investor, I have my own seven-figure business I've been running for over 10 years. And I just want people to accelerate their growth by leveraging my lessons learned. And so with that, I run my consulting company called revampologist, I have my coaching practice under my name. And then now I'm about to launch a whole new platform on-demand coaching called Hey, Kareen, which I'm super excited about.

Lesley Logan 3:34  

I know because also I remember it was not this January, but the last January, we were doing our first annual tradition of hanging out and you're like, hey, I'm doing this thing I'm gonna call it Hey, Kareen. I was like, so, and now here we are and Hey, Kareen is like, is a thing. So first of all, I just want to if we can, we go, we go forward to go backwards. A lot of people have ideas, and then it can take some time. And so sometimes they go, maybe it's not supposed to happen, or, you know, now looking back, this is almost two years in the making of just this one thing. How, how did you like navigate a two-year long-ish journey and did that feel longer than you wanted? How did you kind of figure that out? Because I do think so many people go, I have this idea. And then it's not happened. So I should be further along by now.

Kareen Walsh 4:22  

Yeah. So many things in that question. You know, whenever we have these big visions, right, these big goals or this aspiration, right, it's always this idea that comes to us. And then we're like, well, how do we, how do we manifest it? How do we make it happen? How does it come to life, right, and there's so many different tracks you can take. But if you're not clear on the destination, then it's really hard to carve out a plan. And what I realized for me, so I've had several different businesses over the years. Some have failed, some have been successful, like I am a idea machine. And then when I have an idea, I want to figure it out like I am just very solution-oriented and, and also very strategic. But I realized that my pattern for achievement, and making sure that actually comes to fruition was that I had to be clear on a part of it, not all of it, but I was like, well, let me go try this first. And then I would jump into action. And I think a lot of people get stuck in the fear of what if I fail, or what if it doesn't come into what it should be, or they sit in the feedback of others who have never done it before, and then they're convincing themselves of something that isn't true to their journey. So the differentiator with me is that just by taking that first step towards it, you know a little bit more about what's possible. And it doesn't have to be all the things, I also give myself permission to change my mind. So you just mentioned that this is a, this has been like a two-year concept, right? I didn't take action until this year, because I allowed myself to fully bake the idea and really sit with it. Because in the past, Lesley, I was, I had a lot of half-baked ideas out there. People literally would be like, oh, this is really cool. Let me go build this program. And I would build the program, never market it. Because I like the building part. But I didn't care about the selling part, right? Like I (inaudible) or I would be like, oh, you know, I want to go write this book. And I finished my first book in 2017. I was like, done with the journey and then the actual putting it out into the world. I was like, meh, so there's been very different learning curves for me on the full picture that I had to realize I had to visualize the full picture. I had to, I had to start to think about, okay, if I do this thing and then I, how am I putting it out into the world? And like, what's the purpose of putting it out into the world? And what's the attention I want from it and to follow through completely on the vision? You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 6:58  

I do know what you mean. I do think I have some several half-baked ideas out there. 

Kareen Walsh 7:02  

Right? So many because we're an idea machine. 

Lesley Logan 7:04  

Right. And we and we do take action. Yeah. Now I want to ask you, from what you just said is how do we know that we're baking an idea versus like, procrastinating tweaking? Like, I'm gonna tweak a little bit more. I'm just like, I'm still noodling. How do we know we're like, it's still that the baking is the action of that idea versus a procrastination? 

Kareen Walsh 7:26  

Yeah, sure. So procrastination, I believe, shows up in something you don't really want. If you really want it, you will take action towards it. In my opinion, right? Like, if you are someone who really wants to bring this thing into your life, you will sit in procrastination for a period of time sometimes just to test yourself, do I really want it? But most of the time, if you don't. And then it's like, o h, it didn't happen. I keep procrastinating. If you even call yourself a procrastinator. There are people who have to have pressure to act like they need a deadline. They need to know someone's waiting for it. They need to feel like that, like, something's gonna be lost if they don't do it. Like there's a, there's a true procrastinator energy like that that exists, which is really about I need tension to show up. And generally that tension is coming from someone else.

Lesley Logan 8:22  

Yeah, they're creating stress to (inaudible).

Kareen Walsh 8:24  

To follow through. But generally, it's because they don't really want to do that thing. When you are coming from an innate place of like, I want this thing to come out into the world, you will literally do anything possible to at least try. Like, you really will, if you're, if you're truly aligned in that way. It's hard to get to that point I think if you don't do that inner work that we talk about all the time, where it's like, I'm just being true to myself, like that's a great idea. But do I really want to? 

Lesley Logan 8:52  

I think you're right, sort of the people in my group, I did a whole webinar on procrastination, so I had to do some research like okay, well, what is procrastination? 

Kareen Walsh 8:58  

Yeah, what did you find out? 

Lesley Logan 8:59  

So one of the things I found out is like, if you are a procrastinator, it also could be that you haven't figured out what you are procrastinating on is aligned with the goal that you have. So you haven't really attached your why to it and if you, so that makes sense what (inaudible) of course you don't want to do something that's not part of the thing that you're doing. And so truly baking an idea is actually like going through like what do I want from this, why am I doing this, how does it align with all these other things and I think there's a difference between putting it on the ideas board and never and just going I'm gonna do that someday, I'm gonna do that someday, versus 

Kareen Walsh 9:32  

Act on it. 

Lesley Logan 9:32  

Putting in time each week or even more each morning like really thinking about what this idea is and who it's for. And I think even thinking or meditating or journaling it can be action. 

Kareen Walsh 9:43  

Connecting to it though, right? So the reason everything that I have learned from in the doing that I realized I wanted to take more time to bake my vision now is that I no longer have the time to waste. And, and I really wanted to make sure that when I do put effort when I do put investment when I, when I actually bring people together for it when I, you know, like the whole effort behind it, time is of such value to me right now, because there's so much that I'm doing but I wanted to make sure that when I launched this, I had the right strategy, it sat well within me like I felt connected with it to follow through. And now it is crazy to actually receive the test version of this platform and be like, hh my god, it's even more than I dreamt of because. 

Lesley Logan 10:34  

I didn't see it yet. 

Kareen Walsh 10:35  

So it's even more, it's even more and I'm super excited. 

Lesley Logan 10:38  

So, um, is it okay we let the cat out of the bag? 

Kareen Walsh 10:41  

Yeah, let the people know. 

Lesley Logan 10:42  

So Kareen has created an app and it's called Hey, Kareen. 

Kareen Walsh 10:46  

It's like the AI, it's called Hey, Kareen because, you know how it goes, Hey, Siri, or Hey, Alexa and you start making commands. This is your on-demand business coaching platform. 

Lesley Logan 10:55  

With your amazing advice.

Kareen Walsh 10:56  

With my strategies, methodologies, everything in the bag. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

And I actually haven't seen it because even though we use the same app developer, I was, and I was at his his house he's like, do you want to see it? I'm like, of course, I wan to see, and even though I introduced you to him, he's like, oh, wait a minute, we have a rule. (Inaudible) 

Kareen Walsh 11:10  

I'm gonna show it to you, guys. I'm gonna show it to you, guys. 

Lesley Logan 11:16  

(Inaudible) And I think it's also the, to go back to your ideas, I actually think our ideas, once they are in reality are always bigger and better than what we could have ever dreamed of because you can only kind of put together what you've seen or what has existed, it's really hard, you know, had a coach say he's like, unique ideas are amazing. But if you can't tell someone you want to invest in it, or somebody who want to buy it, that it's like this and this together people can't conceptualize it either. And they're not gonna help you. So like, when I talk about going on tour, they're like, go on tour, I'm like, yes, it's like how a band goes on tour but I just teach classes like, you have to like, because that helps people

Kareen Walsh 11:55  

Conceptualize what you're doing.

Lesley Logan 11:57  

But then, in reality, everything ends up being a little bit better. And I think that the perfectionist slash procrastinators out there who are just noodling around, one of the things I feel like they're holding themselves back from is their experience of something being bigger than they could even imagine, you know? 

Kareen Walsh 12:14  

Yeah, and one, I think you, because you used two different types of people in that statement, the perfectionist, has hesitation on putting anything out there until it feels absolute. An absolute is really hard in the human world. That's really hard. I, you know what I mean, like we are meant to be a little messy. And that's what other messy people will be attracted to. It's not about perfection, and that creates its own stress and strain that causes hesitation to put your real self out into the world. So I always say do it messy because it just gets you started. And then this journey even to get this concept together. Last year, what I did launch that didn't go anywhere, which was a learning curve, you know, like a lesson learned was originally when I launched Hey, Kareen, it was meant to be a group coaching program where people would have access to me to just ask questions on the fly, as they were in their business, right. So it was a much higher price point. And the accessibility was there. But the desire to utilize that wasn't as high as I thought it might be. Right? And then I tested it out with a group. And it was it went well in the sense of the support they got, but the consistency wasn't there. Plus, it was burning me out. Because imagine just getting nonstop questions from entrepreneurs, because everyone's going through and then you're just repeating yourself a lot of the times, even though I was repeating it in a recorded message to the group that they can all listen to, it still was not being captured the right way. So it had to wait until now when the technology available to us is just phenomenal that I can actually leverage everything and have the system do it for me, where it just, it's just so freeing. Like I feel like oh my gosh, it actually is creating legacy for me and then it's also creating accessibility without me wasting away trying to make it happen. I'm letting the engine to do its thing. So it's, like you said, like, I never had that picture when I first thought about the vision because I didn't know about the tech and then finding out like this is my vision I ideally would like this kind of impact leveraging technology to do it even better and faste? Oh. 

Lesley Logan 14:26  

Well, I think that's why like, a lot of people don't want to share their ideas with people. One, there's a fear like someone's gonna take it or there's a fear that it like maybe it's not gonna be good enough or it's not ready yet and I'll share it but I have found and maybe you can attest to this and or not, but like when I share an idea with someone, they actually opened my eyes to all these possibilities that I didn't know about, for you, the tech, kind of somewhere in the last year like blew up (inaudible) accessible thing but like, to your point you said you didn't know it was, the tech was there, like 

Kareen Walsh 14:59  

Didn't know how to do this.

Lesley Logan 15:00  

Yeah, if you don't share your ideas, you, your, your ideas can only go as far as you know. 

Kareen Walsh 15:05  

Exactly. It is, it's in the limitations of what you have. Right. So you, that's the box, but then like, open the doors to other people and now you have the world to access like it's just, and the expertise of others, you always need to bring in and kind of bounce the ideas off of and say, hey, this is what I'm thinking, what do you think? What, would you use it? Is there, do you find it valuable? Like I'm constantly validating any new offer, even, even any of your listeners who are putting together like, some new offer or a new class or a different platform, etc. Always test it out first on a group, get that feedback, make it better. And then again, and again and again, it's called continuous development. That's what in tech happens. It's also what we do personally, you know, it's how we evolve. It's like, constantly trying to get the feedback, move on. 

Lesley Logan 15:56  

Brad knows about something. And I didn't mean to burst his bubble, but he's like, I want to do this thing. And I'm like, I don't think we should do it right now. And he was, I definitely saw it, like, I hit a bubble. And I was like, well, personally, what we haven't done well, is we haven't done some of these feedback things that we could do from specific groups of people to really understand why they're using what they're using of ours. We do a great job. Like we've had amazing success. I want to go to another level. And another level isn't always inventing another idea. It's actually understanding why people like the current idea, in their own words. And it's, but that requires like, asking people. And we don't always want to ask because I don't know, maybe we're afraid what people are gonna say (inaudible) bothering people.  

Kareen Walsh 16:39  

Or it shuts down your vision. It's so precious, your vision of what you want, like, it's just such a precious, beautiful thing, because it's all yours. And then as soon as you're like, hey, come look at my baby. And is my baby ugly? You don't want to believe that. You're kind of like, ah, okay, so you have to have a little bit of detachment, once you, once you are gonna welcome other people in and you also have to have the lens of, I hear your input, but you're actually not my target market, or you're not the people I need that from. So thank you for that. But I'm just gonna go over here, you know, so knowing who you're doing it for, is who you need to go ask for feedback from, but that's so beautiful that you're like, we just don't have enough data. So you weren't really saying no, you're just saying not right now until these things happen.

Lesley Logan 17:26  

Yeah, well, because it's, I think, like, having the data from the actual people and you hit the nail on the head, like, we often ask family members, what do they think? And they're like, not your target market half the time and family like

Kareen Walsh 17:41  

No, no, no. No, sorry. My family has no clue what I actually do like, even to this day, I think my mom thinks I'm an HR because I got a degree back in the day on that, like, yes, only get the feedback from your target market, because the family comes with so much baggage, too, the way they say it, how they say it, who said it (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 18:06  

My mother-in-law gave me like three ideas on the phone the other day, and it was like, you know, and you're just like, and I, like, I have enough ideas, first of all. And also these ideas. I don't know (inaudible). And I was like, how do I say it? 

Kareen Walsh 18:21  

Those are great ideas. Not for me.

Lesley Logan 18:24  

Thank you. Thanks, you know, I think your daughter will kill me if I'm late on projects (inaudible) you have to know who to ask and that no, I thinks, sometimes, and oftentimes, like, I hire people to be the people to ask the questions to like, that's why people hire you. It's like, it's like you're curating the right people to ask advice from and then you're also having to be very particular who you ask information from on your beautiful baby. Okay. I want to go back a little bit though. Because since so, we had you on several years back, you're back now a lot has changed and you're one of the guests who I know understands what be it till you see it means even before this podcast even existeds. You do it all the time. So how have you been beeing it till you see it these last couple of years with this evolution? 

Kareen Walsh 19:16  

Yeah, yeah. No. So it's been interesting. The the self journey is all about being true, like so I think since we last did the, our recording. It was I was definitely very driven in serving—serving my clients, serving others, serving, you know, people in my life. It was all this outbound side. And about two and a half years ago, I was like, I'm depleted, like getting through the pandemic. So my business skyrocketed during the pandemic because one of my consulting companies, basically was, like grew doubled in what it was because my services were in high demand during the time where people couldn't hire full time, and so they needed experts that I have in my business to come in and do that. So I not only was like extremely busy, so the money was in the bank, and I had the vision for that. And I stepped into my entrepreneurial side for it. But I neglected who I had to become to actually stand in it in a healthy way. So when I think about the be it until you see it, I had to shift my lens to make sure that I'm a multifaceted person. So I need a dynamic way of caring for myself, in order to then stand in all these things that I choose to manage. And in that two-and-a-half-year mark, I realized that I was really in this point of convincing myself, I call it a form of self-manipulation when you're sitting in convincing energy that I was okay, when I wasn't. So I had to shift my perspective completely to be like, Kareen, what is a healthy, aligned, entrepreneurial life that you want to lead? And I started to design that for myself and had to remove all the layers of the way I was showing up in life to cast a healthier vision for my businesses, for myself, personally, who I was surrounding myself with, who I was in relationship with, how I was attracting clients and I had to clean house. And it was a very transformative few years because I refuse to deny myself the truth of what was really going on with me, and what I really wanted. And so once I stood in my truth, and I was like, okay, this is what I want, then I had to stand in integrity in my action. So the be it till you see it energy is how you act in it until it actually happens. Right? So you have the belief. Sure. You have the vision. Sure. But none of it can be manifested without action. And so for me, I've always been action-oriented, but not with the aligned stance of me first, it was always for everyone else.And then it was like, Okay, if I took care of me first, I can even do so much more for everyone else. So now what that then allowed me to do in that perspective, so first, you have to kind of get clear on your perspective and how you treat yourself in the process to then cast these visions of like, okay, if I want to, you know, build my mastermind and I want to I have this now two-day immersive I do with my clients that I freakin love like to go for two days from end to end through my evolve methodology with a founder, like that vision that I had for it. And I think I designed it last June. And by December, I had gone through five different entrepreneurial businesses and done these two-day immerses and where their businesses are today, like, those opportunities would not have been there because I wasn't clear on the stance that I wanted prior. Prior, it was all these like short-term stent things. And now it's like, no, I want longevity. I want to walk alongside my clients always. I want to feel that they see me evolving, while I'm helping them evolve. Like, I want to make sure there's this continuous growth, you know, energy in everything I do. And sometimes that's hard to fully visualize, but you can determine the stance you want in it. And just as simple as showing up in that stance, then the right things start to attract in and are reflective in the interactions you have. 

Lesley Logan 23:36  

Yeah, I think like it's been fun because I get to watch on the outside, too, and I get to be on the inside too (inaudible) I got to see like, and not just because the world had opened up last year, it (inaudible) for several years. But like to watch you go okay, the person, the way I want this (inaudible) to people I want to help, they're in this room, I'm gonna go in that room. They're in this room, I'm gonna go in that room. And that is being it till you see it. It's not waiting for them to find you. 

Kareen Walsh 24:03  

Oh, no, no, no. 

Lesley Logan 24:04  

Or until you are ready. 

Kareen Walsh 24:06  

Yeah. No, it's always an action or pick up the phone, I would pick up the phone to or email someone say, hey, I'm really trying to attract these type of people and who do you know, like, we don't do that enough even with our own network of who we know already. Social media has been very interesting. And the, I treat it as like, here's the behind the scenes of my life how I'm doing things and I'm on Instagram, most of it that's a, you know, you see that all the time, right? But I'm more sharing my journey than I and then there's some coaching moments in there. But truly my network, it's my relationships that actually have built what I have. Because it's who knows me that trust me to then recommend me. So getting into those rooms like you said, like, the first time I ever joined a mastermind I remember being so like, imposter syndrome, like am I even worthy of being in here because all the qualifications that were required to get into that mastermind. And then I remember going into it and being told, okay, the only value we got out of this mastermind was meeting you. And I was like, I was worried about coming into the room. And I'm realizing that wasn't a match. But their qualification process was so intense that I thought I was, I had to qualify, but all these other people were let in that were not, you know, and so it was this mismatch of things. But I bring that up because it's still, they all, eventually, a group of them became my clients because it was like, well, I got in the room where I would attract what I was building in, and I stood in integrity in that room, you know. 

Lesley Logan 25:37  

Yeah, I know what you mean, like, one of the first masterminds I was in, the first one who walked up, she was in fitness. And so was I, so am I. And she shared this was a brag and so she does her brag. I'm like, I am not someone who brags. I'm much better bragging now, but this is not how I was (inaudible) And so she does her big bragging. I was like, she has to pass. I'm seeing her the whole time going, what am I bragging about? Like, you know, so I wasn't even listening to anyone else. After she went, I'm like, well, I'm so screwed, you know, and then it was really funny. As I did my brag. I sat down, and the brag was also like, (inaudible) sat down and then at the end of that first day, they said, okay, we want you to partner up with people to be your accountability partner. And she, the first person went up to me, she's like, you, I think scared me enough that I'll get stuff done. I was like, I scared you?

Kareen Walsh 26:26  

You'll never know. Just show up authentically.

Lesley Logan 26:28  

I think that's really like the key there. You mentioned manifestation and you mentioned action. And something that I try, because people throw manifesting that word around a lot. 

Kareen Walsh 26:40  

Yes, they do. It is. It's a hot word. 

Lesley Logan 26:43  

It's a hot word. I manifested. Something that will like, makes my skin crawl is when I, Brad and I will meet people in this entrepreneurial world. And they'll say like, oh, what made you move somewhere? Like, my, like, intuition led me there and I'm like, okay, great. I manifested it. I'm like, hey, you've had to do something.

Kareen Walsh 27:02  

You did something. No, manifestation does not happen without action. Otherwise, it's a dream. Manifestation is that it's literally the manifest it's the coming through of the concept. It's the tangible result. You can't get results without action. So it's just a more woowoo way of saying, you know, I have this vision, I put goals against this vision. And now this vision came to life, same way, we run things you manifested it, manifestation is the whole picture. It's the I visualized it, I did something about it, now it's here. And the visualization is so key, because that's the energy you're putting out into the world. If you do want to be more on the woowoo side, or the spiritual side, or the energy-based side, right? Like, you have to have a very clear vision of what it is that you want, or keep visualizing it like every day, put energy into that vision be like, what does it look like now? How much juicier can it be? What else can I add to it, right? And you just sit in that, and you can sit in visualization. But if you don't do anything about it, it's not going to come. A lot of people also love to say, I can't believe this person just called me today, I was exactly thinking that I wanted this thing. And I got this phone call and I got this thing. I manifested it. Right? Well, you obviously had to say something about it, or put an intention out there. You're still in action. Even that meditative moment is an action. Right? Like, and then the energy around it and how you're carrying your body and the conversations you're having and vocalizing it, then of course, it shows up for you. Because it's so prevalent in your mind that what you focus on you find, so it will show up. 

Lesley Logan 28:41  

Yeah, we've had several brain experts on the podcast who talked about like, the reticular activating system. It's the RAS. And to me, that is the way you could spot that something happened after you thought about it, because your brain has been seeking it out as you've been visualizing it, and asking, and then also taking some action to put yourself in those rooms and those spaces and those opportunities. You wouldn't even like notice, or, you know, Brad, and I've been in some random places were like, wow, that's so crazy that that happened. We ended up making a wrong turn here. It's like, well, no, it's not that crazy. If you think about my brain was seeking out for this thing and the reason we noticed it on that right turn is because my brain was thinking about it, my brain has been thinking about it.

Kareen Walsh 29:24  

And then you have to say something out loud. So then for Brad to turn the vehicle to go to that destination. 

Lesley Logan 29:30  

Yeah. Yeah. 

Kareen Walsh 29:32  

Because if you just sat there and be like, oh, I thought about that thing. And I was, you just drove right past it. That's not gonna manifest what you were hoping for, like there was still an action, you know, I mean, that brain power is definitely an energy zone and it interacts with what's around us and like, call it in but you will not see it until you actually.

Lesley Logan 29:55  

So I have one more question for you though on this because I meet a lot of people who like I don't even know what to manifest. I don't even know what my goals are. And part of me is like, is it that they're they don't feel worthy? Or is it that they are scared? Like, do you think that we don't know what our goals are? That there's an opportunity? Or is it just that we get so far away that it feels like lost? Like it's too far away?

Kareen Walsh 30:17  

I think it's a mix of all the things I think each individual as their journey on, like, who they're becoming, right, and who they are today might not be who they had hoped to be once, right? And so we generally want things out in the world because it represents a part of us that we're trying to put out there. Right? No one really wakes up and says, I want to go do this shit job today, like, that's not the desire, right? Like, you wake up and you're like, I want purpose. And I want, I want to feel desire, and I want to find connection. And I, you know, the human needs are still the same for all of us. I want some variety. I want some excitement, you know, and sometimes when we get into a monotonous way of living, we convince ourselves again, it's that same energy, we convince ourselves, we're fine, that we're not looking inward as to why our vision is not clear. And I think that's, that is the inner awakening that has to happen to say, the worthiness of dreaming again, because you talked about self-worth, I think, when we sit in the I don't know energy, I'm fine. If you're sitting there, you're doing a lot of shoulder shrugging in your life, right? Like, ah, like, there's no real excitement to the life that you've been given that is so freakin short. Like I said, time is so limited. That that's the shakeup I would do first, to allow yourself to realize what I have been showing up for is no longer a fit for who I am, or who I desired to be. Shake it up. Shake it up and allow yourself to dream again and say now from this dance without all the veil of darkness of the things I've been tolerating or the things I've been convincing myself, I'm okay with, how can I dream from this place? What do I want the what I want this best version of me to have not the fine version, the fine version of you gets mediocre results, right? The best version of you gets you good results, the outstanding version of you will get you excellent results. Like it's really again that and interaction of energy and like what you focus on, but I would say if anyone is sitting in that energy of self-doubt and procrastination, even like we talked about earlier, or just uncertainty of like, what do I do next? I would say do the inner work to understand what's not working right now in my life, that I would like to uplevel and shift, you know.

Lesley Logan 32:50  

I think, I mean, I know you're right, I believe exactly what you're saying because especially if the people around you are making you doubt yourself. That's not an environment for growth of any ideas. And so you do have to shake it up. Or if you can't change that situation, you do have to find a place to like,park yourself during the day to at least have moments where you can have yourself be poured into and there's so many different ways now to get poured into by people for free. Because the podcasts that are out there, (inaudible) this person is my mentor. 

Kareen Walsh 33:24  

Yeah, no, you really can and listen to the conversations, but then do the work to say okay, how do I now integrate that thought that really inspired me into action in my life? Right? Like there's there's something about absorbing it all, which is amazing. But if you're a perpetual student, and not someone who takes action towards what it is that you feel you want next, there's a it's a mismatch, right? You're going to be back in that fine shoulder shrugging situation. So finding the courage to take action and even the smallest ones, like I always say, you know, two minutes a day on that new thing. Then make it four minutes, then make it five minutes, then, you know, then the half an hour or whatever that is, and just stand in it for a little longer to realize it's a fit or not. Yeah, because sometimes we also have these aspirational things. I love that person was so inspiring, so aspirational. I want to go that direction. You try it on yourself. And you're like, oh, it was not a fit like this is not what I'm meant to be, that's great for them, not for me. So permission to move on. Right? 

Lesley Logan 34:25  

Yeah, I love, everyone else who is listening, I've been hobby hunting. I really love this hobby that I picked up this at the end of this year. I'm like, I'm gonna give it 12 weeks because like, I've picked it up before and I'm gonna give it 12 weeks. And I was like, I really just wanted to do it at home because every place I have to go to it's late at night (inaudible) and so I like this, but I don't like how it's existing out there. And so it's not that I like quit it. It's just like it's on pause until it can be (inaudible) convenient. Yeah, yeah. 

Kareen Walsh 34:50  

Exactly and I liked the note removing excuses. Do you know what I mean? Like by bringing it in, then there's no longer excuse of timing or like the mismatch of schedule or it can travel with you, or whatever that looks like. 

Lesley Logan 35:04  

Yeah, and I think and I do think it's that I love that you mentioned earlier, it's like permission to change your mind, it's okay. And also doing that inner work to really understand how you want to tap into your power and who you want to be. 

Kareen Walsh 35:15  

It's also a permission to fumble. Right? So that's the other permissioning that I tend to, to share where it's like, for example, if I'm gonna go do like a keynote talk, and I always am like, I might trip up those stairs, like, I might trip up those stairs on my way out there, I might forget my words, or I might, I might blank out, you know, and now I can literally sit and all the fear of the what ifs that could go wrong. And I have to give myself permission to fumble, because I will recover. Right? We will always step back up like, you trip, you step back up, you fall, you get up like there's—to only focus on the negative and not the what could happen once that happens, like what you choose to do in that moment. So I also give myself permission to fumble.

Lesley Logan 35:59  

Well, our mutual friend Chelsea Peitz has found that there is scientific research that people will trust people who make mistakes publicly more than the perfectly curated (inaudible) like yeah.

Kareen Walsh 36:12  

It's relatable. We all fumble, we are all human. There isn't a perfect way to do anything. It's just the right way for right now. And it's can be super messy. So like, step into it. And it's actually quite beautiful. I, personally, when I do fall, because I do, I laugh at myself, because I think I always think of the perspective of someone watching me falling. (Inaudible) I know, it literally is like, oh my god, if someone was standing there and saw me (inaudible) that's hilarious. 

Lesley Logan 36:41  

Yeah, I have super long legs. I'm like how am I still standing? They're doing something down there.

Kareen Walsh 36:49  

But imagine the perspective of someone else watching it. I don't know. I just think it's funny.

Lesley Logan 36:53  

I walked into a pole once. And I laughed so hard. At first I was stunned and I was like, how many people drove by to watch me just like, walk right into that pole?

Kareen Walsh 37:06  

My favorite one was last summer I was in Nantucket and on an electric bike and getting used to it. I'm not a bike rider because I had an accident when I was seven that like messed up my face. And so anyway, I got on this electric bike and I'm doing this turn and this lawn service truck was supposed to go around this roundabout. And so I was gauging as if it was gonna move and it didn't move. So I like I had to Jimmy around and ended up slamming into a parked jeep. And I like shoulder-checked it, right? Like I was like, oh, like this and then I backed up. I was like, the car is okay. I was more concerned about, it was so funny. Like the things that happen when you're in the moment you just don't know (inaudible) on the bike and I went 

Lesley Logan 37:54  

That's one way to be it till you see it, like, just start laughing at yourself (inaudible) and you probably come somebody doesn't actually take yourself to seriously.

Kareen Walsh 38:03  

So in trying when you try new things too, give it a few attempts, but allow yourself the fun of trying something new. That's like being a kid again. You know, and I don't think we do that enough either. And again, that brings the dreams back or the more kid-like you are the more playful you are go color go dance, go do the things that all of a sudden lights you up comes back to you.

Lesley Logan 38:25  

I went to circus school as I wanted because I live where there's a circus school and I want and they had this like trial thing. You could try a different circus thing. So I knew for a fact that I wasn't gonna do trapeze. One of it was at the end. And it was like, I didn't have 90 minutes. I had like 75 And I was like there is in zero lifetime am I letting go of that? Thanks. I don't want to get stuck up. I just, I know myself enough to know that's a little beyond my skill level today. Doesn't mean it's a never it's just not right now. So, but, I'm in this circus class. It's me and two boys and the boys are seven and 11 (inaudible) so, their moms are they're like watching (inaudible) watching this try out silks and watching the trampolines and I was like, oh, trampoline, (inaudible) like this. I loved I had the best time they were doing 7/11 year old students, right, and I was there like having the best time. I laughed out loud. They were like trying to bounce me off (inaudible) the moms just were like (inaudible).

Kareen Walsh 39:27  

(Inaudible) did we hire a nanny and forget? 

Lesley Logan 39:31  

(Inaudible) this ball pit and I was like, I don't know, guys, can you go first? Because like, I don't know, they, like, you know, did seven-year-old (inaudible) okay, I could do it, too. But I was like (inaudible) because I'm like, I'm 40 in a (inaudible) class, but you, it really made me you get this dopamine high then you're like I can like life is actually quite fun. So good. We can keep going. But so we'll just have to have you back. 

Kareen Walsh 39:57  

Yeah, any time. 

Lesley Logan 39:58  

But I want to ask where people can find you, follow you, work with you? 

Kareen Walsh 40:00  

Sure. So well, obviously, if you want access to the new platform, it's HeyKareen.com and just join the waitlist so that you get first to know because I'm, that's going to hopefully come out this summer. I don't know when this episode will air , but.

Lesley Logan 40:13  

Probably at the same time. (Inaudible) waitlist (inaudible) 

Kareen Walsh 40:16  

Or you'll be able to download it because it's just phenomenal. So that's HeyKareen.com. And then anything to work with me truly like the latest thing that I've launched for more in depth strategic time that I think is a nice quick hit, is that I have a four hour half day strategy session that I offer now. That is Kareenwalsh.com/halfday, if you're interested in like a quick spurt of like, what am I doing that needs to shift in order to like, achieve what I want to achieve this year in business. That's a really nice way to get started. And you just like, apply there, and then we'll figure out a time to work together. But truly, like, if you're wanting to step into vision work, and like, reignite, that I would download my SLP program, which helps you go through my vision exercises, and then jump into action and strategy on how to achieve it. So that's a korean.com/slp. 

Lesley Logan 41:10  

Perfect, I'll put all those in the show notes. You've given us a lot of action steps already. So if you want to bring him back, we can but we all have to give the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it something that's like the "too long" it's not that they didn't listen, but they're like, hold on,

Kareen Walsh 41:31  

What do I take away? 

Lesley Logan 41:32  

Got to do some action. Because yes, I love, you know, how I built this, But how the hell do you take the next step? So, anything you have for us?

Kareen Walsh 41:42  

I mean, if you really want to step into a life of like integrity of who you're meant to become, and like how to manifest it, if we want to use that word or achieve it or just stand in it, like have it actually be what you're proud of showing up in? I would say the best action first is to look inward and assess where are you out of integrity, and see what you can do to tweak that to make it a little bit better. Because even just that small seven, it's actually a big exercise, but it in the sense of like the inner work to do and to look inward. But I feel like if you're able to do that, then you'll have a better clearer lens on what you truly desire. So what you want to actually be becomes clearer. It's it's an inner work step. But I feel like without that, everything else is just more noise. 

Lesley Logan 42:38  

Yeah, it is more stuff. And like we don't need we don't always need more.

Kareen Walsh 42:42  

We know a lot of the how but I've been focusing a lot about the who, who do we have to become to stand in the life and the business we want to lead? Yeah. And that's one of the first steps. 

Lesley Logan 42:54  

Yeah, you have been helping me this year a lot. Because I was like, sometimes feeling stuck. But I was like, how do we if we want to go to another level? Like, I gotta go to another level. How do I go? Who do I need to be to this thing? And also, like, I'm gonna know that I never did what I did before now. So now it's like, another thing. And really like thinking about that, who and like, what that is? And what does that look like? And what does that feel like? And what are the words around that? What is the schedule around that? 

Kareen Walsh 43:24  

What do you have to let go to create room for it like, yeah, so the whole part is more of what I've been focusing on to be it until you see it. 

Lesley Logan 43:34  

I love that. No one's ever focused on the who in over 400 episodes. So thank you, Kareen, for that. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Kareen, tag the Be It Pod. Let us know and do us a favor, share this with a friend if you've got that friend who has been shrugging, shrugging. You should send this to them. You only have to tell them, hey, you've been (inaudible) a lot. You can just send it to them and then they'll hear (inaudible) We can do that for them. So thank you all so very much for being who you are. Kareen, thank you for being you. And until next time, everyone, be it till you see it. 

Lesley Logan 44:09  

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Lesley Logan 44:36  

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Brad Crowell 44:51  

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Brad Crowell 45:11  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan discusses overcoming self-doubt and investing in personal and business growth, emphasizing self-care and continuous development to bring out one's best self. She highlights Investing in business expenses for long-term success, urging trust in these strategic decisions. Hear other wins from agency members and learn to take action today by investing in yourself and your business to pave the way for sustainable growth in this episode of Fuck Yeah Friday!

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How a client’s acknowledgment reinforced the value of a rate increase.
• The impact of gaining new clients and their enthusiasm for learning.
• Why business expenses are strategic investments that can yield returns. 
• The value of focusing on personal successes without comparison to others.

Episode References/Links:

• Nikole Mitchell Episode 319

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Happy FYF, Be It babe. Thanks so much for being here. I'm so grateful that you listen to this podcast. If I haven't told you yet, I'm super, super grateful. So, thank you for being here. Today is a shorty and a goodie. It's some of your wins, it's some of mine, and it's a mantra for us to kick our weekend off. FYF means Good Fuck Yeah Friday, which means we celebrate a win. Right? So, first up is Jeanne Cho, she's an Agency member and she said, "FYF, text message after a session from years long client, 'I just want to let you know that I so generally appreciate all you do to plan such effective and creative workouts. I always look forward to our Pilates time. It goes without saying that your vibrant energy and natural joyfulness are the cherries on top. Have a pleasant weekend.' Another client verbally acknowledged that I'm worth my rate increase, beginning to experience receiving tips on packaged purchases." Congratulations, Jeanne, like so amazing when that energy that you're putting out into people has reciprocated back and money is energy. And so I'm just so grateful for you and way to go. I know when you first thought about raising your rates you were really, really nervous and you did it and it's been well received because you're amazing. 

Lesley Logan 1:48  

All right, next up, we have a win from MelissaYNagai. She's an Agency member, an OG and OPC member, and she's just amazing. She wrote, "FYF, I'm super excited about many of the new clients who signed up in the last couple of weeks after their intros. Several are coming two and three times a week. They are enthusiastic, willing to learn, catching on quickly. It's so fun to teach them. We have a new client come in to work with Kayla yesterday evening, so I went down and meet her. She's the most amazing human, seven years old, still works as a trauma counselor, is caring for her husband who has just been diagnosed with dementia and it is coming because she has been told by her osteopath that she needs to do Pilates to take better physical care of herself. She has all the other self-care pretty dialed in." Melissa, this is so fun. I love that your wins are about these clients, getting to have the support they need to do the life that they're having that is a win. And you've created a safe and amazing place that people are wanting to be part of and to trust you with. So thank you so much for sharing that. 

Lesley Logan 2:44  

All right, let's do one of my wins. My win is that we're currently on a business trip and we're actually investing in things that make the trip better. So I share that with you because I think it's really easy for us to think about, oh, I don't want to spend a ton of money. That's expensive. (inaudible) There's a lot of people who like to tell you that things are really expensive in your life, what really makes me mad about that is like things do cost money, we're allowed to determine the value that we place on them. And if we think it's outside of what we want to spend that money on, that's very different. But if we walk around saying that's too expensive, I can't afford that, can't afford that. You are not actually letting money in. And you also need to trust that the money that you spend on your business is going to come back to you tenfold. I started doing that after we had Nikole Mitchell on. She's like, I just believe the money I put out is going to come back to me tenfold. And so when we go to this CR coaches in Nashville, we have taken to doing some things for ourselves that do cost extra—we rent a car, that is extra. We go to a float the day before, the day after. Why do we do these things? One, when we go to work with our coaches it's a whirlwind. And so I want to be in the best mindset. So I'm going to take time to float the night before and float the day after so that I can just let everything integrate everything, calm my nervous system. And then we rent a car because I got tired of trying to figure out the rental cars or the Ubers. And they're canceling on us and they were just taking a long time, just felt like everything was taking longer than it should have. It was really annoying. This area that we go is like outside of Nashville, the city is more in a suburb and just not a lot of Ubers. And you know me, I don't like complaints. So we invested in a rental car. And these are wins because we are trusting that the investments that we're making in our business are going to come back to us tenfold and we're taking care of things, we can be it till we see it, we can be our best version of ourselves when we show up for things. So, hopefully this helps you like if things are going to make you show up as the best version of yourself and you can invest in that do that and there's always a way to work it out even if you can't. So sometimes there's coupons and discounts and memberships—things that you can do. So search it up, seek it out because you want to make sure that the things that you're doing for yourself really do give you what it needs. Us taking four days off for the to go with visit our coaches, flying there, flying back, two days with them. It would be a waste of time if we're also frustrated, tired and exhausted because we were trying to wait for an Uber driver who's never going to come.

Lesley Logan 4:59  

All right, here is your mantra for the weekend. My life is not a race or competition. My life is not a race or a competition. My life is not a race or competition. Keep reminding yourself of that, it is important because then we'll stop, you know, hiding the wins that we have because we're not racing or competing with people. These are just things that are happening, and they're happening for us. Thank you so much for listening to Be It Pod. You are amazing. Until next time, be it till you see it. 

Lesley Logan 5:32  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 6:15  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:20  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 6:24  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 6:31  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 6:34  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this episode, Brad Crowell and Lesley Logan recap their interview with Greg Tomchick. They discuss Greg's emphasis on fostering internal trust and leadership within organizations, the importance of getting to know people you hire, and how chaos in personal lives can affect company culture. They also highlight Greg's focus on a people-first approach in cybersecurity, the value of setting personal standards, and effective strategies for building trust in the workplace.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Reducing pain and strengthening your knees during Reformer moves. 
• Why your employees’ personal lives can impact company culture.
• How trust gaps can be a company's biggest vulnerability and blind spot.
• The advantage of a people-focused approach to cybersecurity.
• 3 C’s framework for building trust within teams and organizations.
• The importance of setting standards to attract meaningful connections.

Episode References/Links:

• World Listening Project
• OPC Summer Tour
• eLevate Mentorship Program
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
• Try OPC $40 for 40 Days
• Greg Tomchick Website
• Greg Tomchick Social Links
• Valor Cybersecurity
• Pilates for Knee Pain Workshop with Sonia Ahmed
• Jill Coleman Episode

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

He was just saying that like security isn't just about technology. It really is about trust within the company culture. And we have to focus on that. So, if you are a business owner, you do have to focus on your company culture, if you do want to have amazing security in your business, because you need everybody to be running at their best and most amazing level. And that goes for in your family too. It doesn't have to be cybersecurity. It could be like just taking care of each other inside of a family as well. 

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the trust-centric convo I had with Greg Tomchick in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you should go back and listen to that one at some point because it's really freakin good. I totally was thinking how am I going to explain what security is to my listeners and.

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Cybersecurity.

Lesley Logan 1:28  

Cybersecurity. I was like, oh, I guess we can talk about being cybersecure helps you be it till you see it. And we didn't even talk about much about cybersecurity, I still don't really know what it is. So it's actually a great interview because you're gonna hear a lot about how to be an awesome human. But first, today is July 18th 2024. And it's World Listening Day. About this day. It’s the sound of World Listening Day on July 18th. World Listening Day is hosted every year by the World Listening Project, how many times do we say world listening in a paragraph, a nonprofit organization that is “devoted to understanding the world and its natural environment, societies, and cultures through the practice of listening and field recording.” They explore acoustic ecology, a discipline that studies the relationship between humans and the natural world as mediated through sound. So quiet down, open up your ears, and get ready to study soundscapes on World Listening Day. So what you can do, (inaudible), and you can go hiking without air pods and you could just listen to the sound. Just listen outside and go for a walk around your block without air pods. You could actually just sit in your house without turning any devices on. There's lots of ways to listen to the acoustic ecology. And, you know, what it's mediating through sound to you wherever you are. It's important, you know, so okay, go listen to the world today. 

Brad Crowell 2:45  

Yeah, actually, they may even have some things for you to listen to over at worldlisteningproject.org 

Lesley Logan 2:51  

Cool. Okay, so, coming up, we are super close to leaving for our summer tour. And at the time of recording, five cities workouts are sold out. That's the time we're recording this at the time that this comes in your ears, it's possible that more are sold out. 

Brad Crowell 3:04  

Yeah, a lot more. 

Lesley Logan 3:06  

So you want to go to opc.me/tour to grab your tickets. Yes, you can go to multiple cities. I mean, if you're going to Milwaukee, you may as well come to Chicago or Minneapolis, or Cleveland or something like that. It's gonna be a lot of fun, there's people who are just like totally grouping out, we have merch for the groupies as well. So check it out opc.me/tour. At the time that this drops, we have already accepted people to eLevate and it's possible there are some spots in 2025 left for you to apply to. So if you're a Pilates instructor who is wanting to have a mentorship program that really helps you have more confidence in your teaching, your practice, or connection to the method then go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. We only take 12 people in a group. So don't wait because the next one would be 2026 which is really friggin far away. 

Brad Crowell 3:49  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 3:51  

Cambodia retreat, our October one is very sold out. But our February one has spots in it. And that one is gonna be amazing because it's a different time of season. So it's actually basically the end of the dry season. And the landscape looks so different. I think that's really cool to see because it helps you understand like, what was going on with these temples and why (inaudible) and like the Mekong River and all this amazing stuff. Plus the sunrises are stunning in February. Would you agree? 

Brad Crowell 4:16  

Oh, I mean, y'all heard me talk about Cambodia before it's my favorite place. Yeah, absolutely. It's a little bit of a different vibe, but it's a great vibe. I mean, we used to actually always do a retreat at the beginning of the year. And then COVID really complicated everything. So yeah, you should absolutely come join us in February 2025. For more information on that go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com.

Lesley Logan 4:45  

And lastly, but not leastly, if you are looking for a workout that works for you finally, that's what OPC is all about. So it is got accountability and community and feedback on your form. And you don't even have to have fancy equipment. There's a mat version, mat only membership version with really amazing classes and lots of support, and you can go to opc.me/40, opc.me/40 it gives you 40 days for $40, which is $1 a day, which is cheaper than a lemon every day, just saying.

Brad Crowell 5:15  

Before we get started, though, we have an audience question. This is from Alison Trotsky, she DM-ed you here, she said, "Hi, I was wondering if you have any pointers for some Reformer moves to improve knee strength, I use your Reformer flashcards all the time."

Lesley Logan 5:32  

I love this. So knee strength is really key, it means the muscles above and below the knee have to be strong, which means when you go up the leg, your hips have to be strong and not just flexible, but strong as well. So you want some mobility there, because if the hips are tight, the knees are going to actually be compromised. And so what I would say is if you're on the Reformer, well, first of all, we have a whole workshop on OPC, about reducing knee pain and strengthening your knees. Sonia Ahmed is a physio and Pilates instructor and eLevate grad out of the U.K. and she created that, so you can get that workshop at onlinePilatesclasses.com and you get to keep it forever. And she gave us some amazing exercises that you could do on the mat and also using equipment as well. But on the Reformer

Brad Crowell 6:20  

Yeah, that one's called Pilates for knee pain. It's a workshop on the site. 

Lesley Logan 6:24  

On the Reformer, I think if you are already doing footwork, you need to know that that is part of what the "strengthen your knees" should be, however, if you're pushing from your knees, you're missing on all the good stuff. And so if you watch my footwork tutorials, I talk about how the knees are not pushing down, it's actually not about opening the knees, it's about working on the back of the legs. And so that would be a good one for you. Stomach massage is gonna be really good. And then also hamstring curls are gonna be really great. Knee stretches are going to be amazing for you. Front splits, like, honestly, it's really hard to choose, there's so many more we can go through. But I would need to know if you're hyperextending your knees. 

Brad Crowell 6:59  

You would need to know?

Lesley Logan 7:01  

I would, pun intended, apparently. So, Alison, if you are an OPC member, then you can actually send me a video of you doing some of your former moves. And I could see what's going on that makes you think you need to strengthen your knee. And I could give you more and more tailored feedback other than like right now these are just some really good exercises. However, if you are hyperextending your knees, none of these will work. So. 

Brad Crowell 7:23  

Yeah, and we have people submit videos to us every single week, we have something called Form Feedback Fridays, and all of our OPC members are allowed to send in videos. (inaudible) of them doing their practice saying hey, you know, I'm confused on this thing. I'm not sure how you know, whatever. And you can ask whatever question you want to ask. And then our team, the teachers, will actually check it out and give you some feedback. 

Lesley Logan 7:46  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 7:47  

Okay, now let's talk about Greg Tomchick. Transitioning from the field to the boardroom. Greg Tomchick, an award-winning cybersecurity coach, former professional baseball player and CEO of Valor Cybersecurity has made a name for himself in the business and technology sectors. He focuses on helping executives cultivate internal trust and improve their leadership capabilities. Greg's approach is rooted in self-discovery and the intentional building of meaningful connections, which he discusses on his podcast, The Connected Mindset Live. As a sought-after speaker, he inspires others to share his journey and insights on building trust from the inside out. Greg is

Lesley Logan 8:27  

He's so cool. 

Brad Crowell 8:29  

Incredibly eloquent and I was surprised to hear him describe himself as the dumb jock in high school. 

Lesley Logan 8:36  

Yeah, there's he doesn't seem at all them. 

Brad Crowell 8:38  

No, in no way. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 8:39  

And also very insightful, and curious. And he's also like, in the episode was like, oh, I asked my coaches for feedback. I see people for feedback. He's always looking for feedback, which is like, amazing. I just think he's really awesome. So one of the other, so many things that I loved, we talked about, but he mentioned a rhythm of existence. And he was talking about how our overall lifestyle of how we maintain ourselves as individuals, that we carry our personal life into our company, and that's of company that you work for, or that you run, but we carry it over. And it's so true. I don't, there's no way to compartmentalize like, I do not understand that at all. 

Brad Crowell 9:19  

Well, he was talking about hiring people, I think, or doing interviews and how we hire people based on a resume instead of hiring them based on who they are. And he was talking about how his favorite thing to ask is not like, what do you do for work, but instead it's like, you know, what do you do when you're trying to blow off steam or what do you do? Like, who are you? What do you like to do and what he's hoping to understand is are they, are they like a chaos agent? Is their life chaotic? 

Lesley Logan 9:47  

Because if their life is chaotic, they bring chaos into a company. 

Brad Crowell 9:50  

Yeah. Even, no matter what the resume is, that's how they are, that's who they are, then that's what they're gonna bring. 

Lesley Logan 9:55  

100% This goes for everything, guys, you don't have to be hiring people. We can actually just take this to like friendships, Do you have those friends who just like every thing seems to like tragically happen to them. Like there's just always like, drama in their lives, well, they bring drama into your life, like, that's just how it is, that's who they are. It's okay, if you've been friends with them for 17 years, or like, they know certain people that are super cool. The resume isn't what you're getting, you're getting the actual person. And so in any relationship that you are hiring for, because we are all looking for best friends, partners, people to work with, things like people to hire, get to know them, because that person is what you get. So I think that's a great way of exploring it. And he had said, I just wanna highlight like, because we're like cybersecurity where this come from the episode, he was just saying that, like, security isn't just about technology, it really is about trust within the company culture. And like, we have to focus on that. So if you are a business owner, you do have to focus on your company culture, if you do want to have amazing security in your business, because you need everybody to be running at their best and most amazing level. And that goes for in your family, too. Like it doesn't have to be cybersecurity. It could be like just taking care of each other inside of a family as well.

Brad Crowell 11:08  

Yeah, listening to Greg talk about that, it reminded me of the time that I worked back in the office. And you could always tell when somebody was down or you know, whatever. And 99% of the time, it was something happening outside of the office. Yeah. Because if it was in the office, and somebody fucked up or whatever, y'all knew it, it wasn't like, you know, he.

Lesley Logan 11:32  

You could also address it, it wasn't like you would oh, there's Greg, he fucked up the project. You would like talk to Greg, hey, Greg, what happened here? Like, how can we fix this? Like, you kind of actually can resolve a conflict, almost, I would think that with, you can't go to their partner and go, What the hell's happening at home, you're fucking, you're making him have a bad day at work. It's bringing us all down. Like you can't do that. So like, it's a little, you know, hard.

Brad Crowell 11:55  

Yeah. Well, one of the things I really love that he said was, again, talking about companies and again, making me reflect on my experience, I said, large companies that he has worked with, they want a more people-focused approach to security not just the focus on technology, which I thought was really interesting, because for me, what that means is, technology's changing the cybersecurity space, too. And it's impacting some of the things that before a company like his might come in and be like, here's a recommendation, you got to do this, this, this, this, and this, and he's like today, with the, you know, the advent of login, like one, one, password login, you know, or whatever, all those kinds of tools, they those kinds of tools, make his job as a cybersecurity expert, easier. And he said, actually, a lot of the time now, he's working with them on hiring practices, so that he can understand, they can vet the team that they're bringing in, or the vendors that they're bringing in, because you might actually be inviting the cybercriminal into your space to work at your space.

Lesley Logan 13:01  

Here's a perfect example. You can all witness it on the Ashley Madison Documentary, highly recommend it, highly recommend it. It's awesome. It is all the things not to do. One of their contractors is who took over the website, held it hostage, not for money, but because of values, and then released all that information that they were supposed to delete. But again, because they didn't hire people who would ask questions. No one was like, hey, do we actually delete the profiles? Will the people pay extra for us to delete the history? No, they didn't. And that's why they got sued. And it was a big bad thing. So just like if you are like, no way this didn't happen. It happens on a big level. Huge.

Brad Crowell 13:39  

Yeah. And alongside getting to know people before you bring them in. He also talked about once they're in, the value of having just a one-on-one conversation and stopping by their desk or their office and poking your head and actually getting to know them. He said that, you know, I mean, we live in a world today of text messages, phone calls, DMs. He said it's a quick dopamine hit, but nothing replaces the actual one-to-one interaction. So I always thought it was interesting. I mean, we work remotely, right? So it's actually hard for us to do that. Although we do spend a lot of time on Zoom calls and Google Meets and all those kinds of things where we like, like, sometimes we're just co-working with people virtually from the other side of the world. And you know, we are effectively spending time with them, even if it is remotely, but even that I like even more than just a text message or a DM because you really can't feel disconnected. It just feels like you're chatting to, you know, some random people. So yeah, great, really interesting observations. Yeah. Stick around. We'll be right back. 

All right. Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action items. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Greg Tomchick. He provided three C's that individuals and leaders can use to foster trust within themselves and their relationships. And I thought this is really cool because he said, you know, half the time, half the battle for cybersecurity is building trust in your team and trust with your clients. And he said the three C's are consistency, compassion, and connection. And so which we love, because that overlaps. Two of those C's are overlapping OPC's core values which I, I love that. But he said, you have to have consistent engagement with someone that you're going to build trust with, you want to have an approach to understand where they're coming from, which is the compassion element of it, asking meaningful questions, like we were already talking about, sticking your head in their office and actually building trust, getting to know them, not just like, hey, what do you do for work? But like, who are you? And what's life like for you? And then with connection, building trust requires genuine connections, hopefully, through deep, you know, more than surface-level conversations. So what about you? 

Lesley Logan 15:50  

Okay, so he talked about this, and I thought was so great, because you can apply this to anything. He said, set your own standards, what a bold statement. And he said, what is this piece? He said take a piece of paper and write one to five and say, what is the standard that I need to have to attract the right person? And this could be for co-working, this could be for relationship, this could be for friendship, this could be for anything like what are your standards? We had Jill Coleman on and she is one of the people who like really, really honed in with as when we worked with her about values. And like, values are the same as standards like and also you could also insert like boundaries, like these are things that are like, required to be with me or work with me or in a relationship with me of some kind. So write them down and have a clear list of the five most important standards you value. There you go. And then he said an example is that like, Greg has transparency and compassion as his values. And so he is really upfront when he meets new people about what those standards are. And it either weeds people out, or attracts the right people in. And they're going to help improve you because they're going to follow with those standards, which means you have to, as well.

Brad Crowell 17:00  

Yeah, I mean, it was interesting. You talked about just basically introducing himself and being like, hey, this is who I am. Take it or leave it. 

Lesley Logan 17:07  

Yeah. You know, our friend Lauren Zoeller does this as well. She's like, really, like, upfront, she won't like she's like, here's what I need. Here's what it takes to be like a partner, this is the type of conversations I want to have. It's who I am. And you know what, like, I find that she has some very deep upfront conversations that can be very, like conversational, that may not happen on most people's like, fifth or 17th date, that she's having on like, before the date. So I actually think more and more people are wanting to do this, because life is short. We don't have a lot of time. And you don't want to, like get too involved with someone or something or some project, only to find out that the values and standards aren't going to align and you have to get out of it anyways.

Brad Crowell 17:46  

Yep, I totally agree. Well, love that. We really love Greg, it was, it's been awesome to get to know him in person. We've actually met up with him a couple times. And it's been just great. He's a standard guy. I think, you know, not only has he figured out something really amazing with his cybersecurity company about how to be a leader. But also it's allowed him the flexibility to go around and start speaking from stage about these types of topics. And, you know, it's just been fun to watch him grow. 

Lesley Logan 18:20  

Yeah, love it. And also, I just want to say like, check us out, we had a whole cybersecurity and baseball conversation without really talking about either of those things. So there's very deep levels to all of these things that makes person up. So, thanks Greg for being our guest. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 18:37  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 18:38  

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Lesley Logan 19:27  

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Brad Crowell 19:35  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 19:37  

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Cybersecurity expert Greg Tomchik knows firsthand the importance of fostering trust within organizations. He believes that building a trust-centric culture is key to strengthening security measures. In this episode, Greg shares his transition from professional baseball to business, highlighting the impact of self-discovery and compassion on career growth and community engagement. Get ready for valuable cybersecurity leadership strategies and insights in this impactful episode hosted by Lesley Logan.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Greg’s challenges transitioning from professional sports to business.
• How trust gaps can be a company's biggest vulnerability and blind spot.
• The 3 C’s of Trust: Compassion, Consistency, and Connection.
• How trusting your inner voice leads to wise decision-making.
• Why robust cybersecurity balances technology and people-focused processes.
• The power of compassionate questions in building better communities.

Episode References/Links:

• Greg Tomchick Links
• Greg Tomchick Website
• Valor Cybersecurity

Guest Bio:

Greg Tomchick is a 2015 ODU Graduate, former professional baseball player turned award-winning cybersecurity coach. He has worked with more than 250 world-renowned companies including American Airlines, Caterpillar, and Trinity Rail. He is regularly featured live on ABC, Fox News, and is an expert contributor to Inc. Magazine. After building multiple seven-figure companies for America’s most prestigious families, he is now the CEO of Valor Cybersecurity and host of The Connected Mindset Live Show. Greg helps industry leading executives and his community connect to the mindsets that enable them to protect what they value most, in life and in business.

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Episode Transcript:

Greg Tomchick 0:00  

I say life's an inside job because we create things inside before we bring them out to the world. I mean, I did it with my business, I'm sure you've done it with all your companies is, it starts internally, sometimes it can be fueled by the outside. But if you don't believe or have trust in your vision, you know, nobody else will. And I think every entrepreneur, every business owner, everybody that's achieving anything great, that's where it all starts, whether we know it's happening or not.

Lesley Logan 0:27  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:09  

Hi, Be It babe. Okay, I'm so excited for this. I was on the road and I got to do this interview, you're about to hear, in person. And in-person interviews are just interestingly, they're not better or worse, like they're, but they're different and it's really nice. And I found myself really intrigued by this whole entire interview because we all know that life is not linear. And it can be interesting when you meet someone, I have Greg Tomchick on, and he was MLB, like professional baseball player. And now he's in cybersecurity. And I'm like, I got it. How are the dots? How did we get here? And something that I think is really cool to hear is how much he asked questions during his time as a baseball player that allowed him to really lead him to what he's doing today. And so I'm really excited for you to hear from him and his story and what and don't let cybersecurity make you go, "What?" It's gonna be it till you see it in cybersecurity. There's so much here for you to learn. And he's such a cool person. And he also has an amazing podcast which he interviewed me on, The Connected Mindset. So if you are enjoying him on mine, I hope you go listen to the conversation we have over there because he asked me some incredible questions that no one has ever asked me before. So here is Greg Tomchick.

Lesley Logan 2:23  

All right, Be It babe, I'm so excited. I have a really cool dude here for you guys. I got to meet him via Zoom and an amazing group of people. And I've found him very fascinating. I'm just gonna say I feel like I've learned a lot about you that I didn't know. But Greg Tomchick, you're here today with us. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Greg Tomchick 2:42  

Yes, it's such a pleasure to be here with you, Lesley. I rock at helping people build trust. Through the years of my career, I've been able to help executives and companies build trust with the outside of their company. But oftentimes, they have a hard time building trust with themselves. And that's really what I've come to specialize in is helping them build trust from the inside out whether they're running a company, running a sports team, or running their their own personal lives.

Lesley Logan 3:08  

Okay. That's, that's a very big thing to help people do. I feel like, I feel like a lot of our listeners could, they actually do struggle with trusting others. And they're not even necessarily big companies like you've worked with some incredible companies. Can we go back a little bit? Like, did you start out wanting to work in companies and helping them build trust? And when they asked what did you want to be when you grow up? I don't know that that was probably what you said. Can you talk about that a little bit? 

Greg Tomchick 3:37  

Yeah, I feel like I've lived multiple lifetimes. So I went from a kid who has military family and military has a lot of trust in the community, people looking to you as the warrior who's defending their community or country, ended up being a professional baseball player. And I wasn't able to excel in baseball until I was able to trust myself, which allowed other people to trust and put me into those difficult situations. So when I got out of baseball, I was trying to find my identity. And I looked back to my baseball career and said, "What made me unique in that specific environment?" And it was a lot of intentional trust-building. I would ask executives of the teams the right questions. I would try to go out of my way to build that connection with them in ways that other players didn't. Most of the time, players would just like in a lot of companies, we exclude ourselves from the executives and just kind of you know, they're overseeing us. I always tried to engage, show my compassion for what they were doing for the overall team, and be consistent with that. And that's what helped me build trust with them. And then eventually, they gave me the opportunity to play professionally and be able to put on top stages to perform and if I didn't have that trust with them, they never would have given me that opportunity. So when I was running my second company, which was a software development company, we had, some called a cyber attack, and at that time, I didn't know what a cyber attack or cybersecurity really was and I wanted to help other people who may go through that in the future, kind of solve that from or prevent that from taking place in their lives. And what I realized when I would go in as a cybersecurity expert to brief these, you know, boards of people who have done business for 50 years at the end of their career now running these Fortune companies, was they brought us in to build trust with their vendors, with their customers, with regulators. And I started to ask some questions that was important to me as an athlete, was, you know, what do you do in your daily life? What does your family look like? How do you want to intentionally map what I call the rhythm of existence to make sure that this company is successful from the inside out. And what I realized is a lot of these executives were such a cluster in their personal lives, that it brought it into their business. And a lot of that came from a void, and I consider that the void of them being able to trust themselves enough to be stern on the standards and values that they knew they needed to have, but didn't know how to carry that out. So I started to help a lot of these executives on a personal level develop the trust internally which, a lot of times, they, you know, a therapist or some type of talk therapy would get them there. But I matched it with the goal that they wanted as a rhythm for their business life and tried to find a way to integrate those two. And what I heard from executives was wow and I trust myself to be able to carry out and do what I need to do. And my company has really revamped and reshaped our ability to, you know, be successful, be fulfilled, and also be secure at the same time.

Lesley Logan 6:40  

Okay. This is so fascinating because I'm sure, anyone heard like cyber attack, cybersecurity, they're like, okay, hold on, that's not, that's not anything that, I think we're all very clear we don't want any, anyone have access to any of our information online. And that's constantly something we, companies, are thinking about. I don't think that anyone probably thinks of it and also thinks like, who's making sure the people at the companies are taking care of themselves in a way that makes sure that down the line, we're all being protected? So how did you put those things together? Or is that the secret sauce?

Greg Tomchick 7:19  

Yeah. No, no, no, it's something we share for free. It's out there on our blog, and different things that we post, but a lot of it was your security risk from either a digital or physical standpoint is based off of the vulnerabilities that you have. So vulnerability, we consider it as a gap. If you have all of these gaps, but you think you're secure, you're insecure by default. And those are the people that typically have these cyber attacks. And that's what I had in my company is I was so focused on technology development, that I had all of these gaps in my understanding of what it meant to be holistically secured. And so when I would go into these companies, I would just go into to ask them the right questions to find those vulnerabilities. And I found this, this void of trust was their biggest vulnerability because they didn't trust anybody, which gave them a lot of blind spots, that, you can't walk around and just not trust anybody when you're running a multi-million dollar, you know, even bigger company. It drives you crazy. It makes you miss a lot of things because you're so focused on so many different things. And it created a lot of clarity for executives, and I really saw a lot of them, like, let their guard down because they were now able to trust themselves enough to, you know, go tell a team or tell one person, hey, I'd love for you to fulfill this for the company and just trust that they're going to do it in the best way for that individual. And it's the same end result, but they were trying to micromanage so much. And you can only micromanage so many things. And it just creates a lot of catastrophe, a lot of lost money, a lot of lost people. And really, it threatened the whole culture. And when, as we know, the culture of a company, a culture of a community, a culture of a family, is really where everything either lives or dies. 

Lesley Logan 7:19  

Yeah, I know. And I've never thrived well in an environment where a boss micromanaged me. I can think back to the last actual job I had where I was an employee. And where I succeed the most is when I was given like, kind of free rein, they're like, here's what we're expecting of you, here's what your goals are, here's what to do. And I could do it in my way where there was a lot of trust from the people who are above me. And then there was a shift and there was changes, and then the President changed and the company and then all these, like, you got to fill out this document, gotta do this, you have to check this box, every day and I was like, you get to the point where you you don't feel like there's any trust in you. And that makes you, as the employee, not feel good or like you can thrive or you have ideas. And I think in our own lives, I think a lot of listeners can even look back into like, the times they've micromanage people in their lives or family, their partners or spouses, and it doesn't build trust. In fact, it does the opposite and it doesn't make you trust them anymore. 

Greg Tomchick 10:04  

Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's something I continue to learn about. But when I, when I initially had somebody give it back to me of, this process you took us through helped us build trust from the inside out, I really attached to that idea and concept and wanted to bring that out to the world and have been able to speak on international stages about it. And the end result, what I've found after like a small business meeting or at a conference is, everybody approaches people differently after they hear the topic. And they hear and can connect to it and hear the internal voice and what the internal voice is saying. One of the things I'm big on is, there's like this self-help personal development craze that's been going on for years. And I'm big on the self-discovery. So when I'm saying something to somebody, I want them to hear the internal voice of how that's resonating with them, to speak the voice into themselves. And they have to hear that as opposed to me giving them a step by step process to say, this is what you need to do to achieve your goal. And some people need that. But the best things happen when you have that self-discovery. And I've been able to find ways to get executives and get people in an audience to start to hear that voice and start to kind of trust the voice that they're hearing. And then they go out and connect with people in amazing ways.

Lesley Logan 11:24  

Yeah, I think I love that you're like, because there is a lot of self-help and self-discoveries. It can happen through self-help, but mostly it is within. And we often look outward for other people to help us and that's when we can be more vulnerable if we're not sure of who we are. Let's go on to trust. Let's talk about that a little bit. How is trust built? And I have a similar sense, I feel like I have a hard time trusting people. And I feel for that I have to inherently trust, a lot of people I have to trust when I'm crossing the street that someone's going to stop because they're supposed to like I feel for people who have distrust or mistrust or no trust and people are like, how do we work on that?

Greg Tomchick 12:04  

Yeah, it's a great question. And the journey to get there is a little bit different for everybody. I think at the core of trust with anybody is consistency. So you want to have that consistent engagement with someone that you're building trust with, you want to have compassion, so you want to have a, an approach to understand where they're coming from. And I think a lot of that comes down to your personal morals and values and standards, a lot of people say standards. But knowing what you want in the world is important to have the compassion for somebody else. And that compassion to me is, you know, asking questions that allow people to share what they believe about the world, what they want to see carried out, whether that's business or personal life. So you have, you know, you have the consistency that people need, if you see people that are inconsistent, you're not going to trust them. And if you if you have the compassion and you feel that they have the compassion, that builds a mutual trust with each other, that you're speaking your truth, or truths align. And that, you know, that's a multiplier for that trust-building process. One of the big things I talked about is connection. Connections, you know, it's considered in a number of ways, you know, technology connection, people connecting and having conversation. But I think connecting with people, how you enjoy connecting, some people like to have deep conversations, some people like to say, surface level. So when you're going out to build trust with people that you want to be around, to be able to have the clarity of how you like to connect to people. For me, I like to ask deep questions. So when I'm going out and public, and I'm not asking what do you do for a living? I'm like, what makes you feel alive? These questions that's, for some people, are big but I know when I am connecting with someone that really enjoys those questions that we're building trust from the start to be able to have future conversations like that. So I think, you know, it all goes back to those three C's for me. But I really think it takes all three to really build trust from an external standpoint, but also, I say, from the inside out, so you have to be consistent with yourself. You have to connect with yourself in ways like Pilates, you know, for me, I do a lot of yoga, I exercise. If I skip out on something that I told myself I was gonna do, then it starts to build a distrust in myself. So it's that consistency, connecting to myself in the ways that I enjoy, and being compassionate with myself like asking my internal voice, you know, what's important for me today, this week, what I want to accomplish, and sticking to that. And if I'm able to do that on a daily, weekly, quarterly, annual basis, then I trust that I'm going to carry out what I say I'm going to do. And if I can't trust myself, I can't build trust with other people. So I say from the inside out because it takes me doing those three things each day to be able to go out in my business and personal life and build trust with other people. And if I'm doing that from an authentic place, people are going to sense that. And I think that's what a lot of us are doing. And what I found myself, before I did this hard work, I was trying so hard to build trust with other people, and was distracting the trust that I didn't have in myself. And that's something I found through baseball, because if I didn't build that trust, I wouldn't have been able to get to that professional level on the field. 

Lesley Logan 15:31  

I was gonna ask a question about like, rebuilding trust after some, we've lost trust somewhere. And I do want to touch on that. But I want to highlight it sounds very clear to me and correct me if I'm wrong, you have to have trust within yourself. For my overachievers and my perfectionists listening, it's not about doing the three journal pages plus the run plus this and putting yourself in a position where you cannot achieve consistency in your daily life with the commitment you want to have with yourself, but picking things you can be consistent with so you can build trust within yourself. So then it's gonna be easier to trust others, but also for them, like to trust you, because people can sense a dissonance that's there, you know, we can fake it till we make it all the time, which is what not what this podcast is about. But to be it till you see it as actually to like, stand in the power. What does a person who trusts himself act like? What does a person who trusts himself and trust others do? How do they engage in conversation? It's going to require that inside work? 

Greg Tomchick 16:25  

Yeah, it's inside out. I say life's an inside job because we create things inside before we bring them out to the world. I mean, I did it with my business. I'm sure you've done it with all your companies is, it starts internally, sometimes it can be fueled by the outside, but if you don't believe or have trust in your vision, you know, nobody else will. And I think every entrepreneur, every business owner, everybody that's achieving anything great. That's where it all starts, whether we know it's happening or not.

Lesley Logan 16:53  

Yeah, yeah, that's so true. Okay. (Inaudible) a baseball because my family, if they're listening, would be really upset if we didn't. My grandfather's professional baseball player as well. He quit it to go be in World War Two. So like, it was like your country and baseball, right? It takes a lot to become a professional athlete, like there's just so few percentage of people. And then also, what I know about baseball is so few of them get into playing for the majors, you know, a lot of people end up being around the minors. I want to hear about that. And also like, the switching out of it, I imagine that's a big transition from who you were and what you say you do, you know? So can we talk a little about your story there?

Greg Tomchick 17:34  

Yeah, like to say when I was getting out of baseball, I was going through three divorces at one time, and I'll kind of, I'll get to that story. But it was, it was a tough, it was a very tough transition. So I had an older brother that also played professional baseball. So it was kind of someone to look up to. I always say you need someone to look up to and someone to chase which, you know, chasing myself in 10 years, or something I'll never kind of get to, but I always had my older brother to pave a path and make the mistakes before I got there. That's like the middle child syndrome. And he was able to get into professional baseball three years before me. So I was able to see what enabled him to do that. He was a free agent. So we didn't get drafted. But I realized what the scouts were looking for to get in and from middle school to high school to college, he helped kind of paved that path and make some of the mistakes so that I could come in and make them more clear path. But it was, it was really about clarity on what I was good at. So I was a pitcher. So I was on the mound, throwing different pitches and, and trying to make sure that people didn't hit it too hard or hit it out of the ballpark. And I knew what I was really good at, you know, I threw the ball really hard. I sometimes didn't know where it was going. And what I would go to scouts and ask is what do I need to do this year to improve on your scoreboard or, you know, what are you measuring me on and a lot of them said composure and leadership. So it wasn't even a skill set thing. And we always focus on skill sets, as opposed to some of the intangibles, especially in athletics, because it's like, you need to throw hard, you need to be really fast, you need to hit the ball really hard. And when I actually got through the minor leagues, I would go to leadership and to, as I was building trust with them, you know, would ask, hey, where do you see me as a player? What do you like about what I bring to the team? And they always said your composure and your leadership and I was like well what about my skills like I'm throwing the ball 95 miles an hour, had a lot of movement on it like, it was, you know, I was in the upper tier of the pitchers that I was competing with. Some of them were younger than me but they always said you give the team an energy and an example to follow what it looks like to be a good player from the outside and you know, they were like, appearance is very important to us. You know the fans really attached to leaders and want to bring them into the community. So I really started to double down in those areas, I started to talk to the team, give speeches to the team talk about the different trials and tribulations that we've gone through in the season, how we persevered. And I, obviously, was still improving my skill set. But when you hear from the outside world, like, this is the role we need you to play, we need you to be the leader, we need you to be composed and show the other players that are younger than you what they should look like, even though their skill set is either just the same or a little bit better than yours. So I really doubled down in that area, which was important for my career to continue to move up. But eventually, you know, the skills needed to be there. It's like everybody's at the same level. And some of those intangibles, bring you to the next level. And I reached a level where, you know, they were basically like, hey, you're you're kind of aging out, which I was only, you know, 24, 25 at that time, but you're competing against 17 and 18 year olds.

Lesley Logan 17:34  

Yeah. That's, I mean, every time I'm watching any sports, I'm like, oh, they're getting old for the next (inaudible), you know, like you think about those things. And so, people, I was a runner and people like, oh, would you let your kids play sports, if you're gonna have them? And I said, they'd be runners, you have a much longer career, less money, longer career. So that sucks. Because it's like, it's not like an injury took you out. It's not like we're playing worse. It's just kind of like you hit this wall that they no longer could work with. So you, you had to make a different decision. You had to change careers. What was that like to wake up and not train to pitch the next day? Because that's, you still go workout, but like, you're not actually training for that skill set anymore?

Greg Tomchick 21:39  

Yeah, it's, it's a huge shock. I mean, that was my whole identity. Because the community, the team, my parents, at some point in time, looked at me as Greg, the baseball player. I had different things going on outside, which I consider like my plan B because I knew it wasn't gonna last forever. But the outside world and how they view you and how they talk to you is important for that internal voice. And if they weren't giving me that and saying, you know, what, when's your next game? You know, we love seeing you pitch last night. That was the way that I, my cup was filled up. So when I wasn't getting that, you know, had that drought period of, you know, what, who is Greg, what's his identity, you know, he's, he was considered the dumb jock in high school. So it's like, I'm not smart enough to get a job, to run a company to do anything important in the world of baseball is not there. And, you know, there was a lot of what I considered vulnerabilities at the time that I was trying to push away and try to find high-paying jobs and just do these activities that were just spinning the wheel. And until I got clear on what Greg could be based off of those things that people used to tell me—the composure, the leadership, how I could cultivate those in a way to bring those to the world of business, of technology, of personal discovery—that is really where that identity started to shift away from, you know, I was the baseball player, and I lived that life but I'm no longer that. And I had to come to grips with that, which was, you know, five to seven year process to get there. So. 

Lesley Logan 23:12  

I was gonna say, like, how long does take? Is it three months, six months? Seven years. That's, that's a long time. But it's like, thank you for sharing that because I think sometimes we go, especially on Thursday, when people hear the recap and Brad read your amazing bio, that's gonna be like, you were a baseball player and now you're doing this. And it's like, it's such a, it is a journey. And it's okay for it to be.

Greg Tomchick 23:33  

Yeah, you have to, they used to always say in baseball, embrace the process, but we all want things immediate. But what I always went back to is, I didn't get to that point, based off of like, one performance, it took them seeing me six or seven times, and they were like, wow, this guy's composed. He's a leader amongst his team, leads by example. And, you know, by chance, he throws the ball pretty hard to get people out. But that was the secondary. And I see that a lot in businesses, we focus so much on skill sets and certifications. But you can be the most skilled individual, if you don't trust yourself, if you don't treat people the right way those skills are not as valuable.

Lesley Logan 24:14  

Yeah, it's, thanks for bringing that back up because I always tell a lot of people who are listening, we coach them on their business, and I'm like, you can hire, like, skill is easy to teach, to be honest, like some skills are gonna be harder than others, and some take longer to develop. But like, if the personality of the person isn't something you want to work with, doesn't align with your values, doesn't see the vision that you have, it really doesn't matter how good they are at it. I work with a lot of studios who like but they're my best teacher, and I'm like, they're stealing from you. They're not following the policies or not doing the things like I don't care how good they are, you know, and I recently hired an amazing woman and she's never been an executive assistant before but she, I looked at her resume and I was like, look, I've got all these jobs like you if you've been if you've worked in retail, and you've been assistant manager and a manager you can handle a budget and a schedule and customer service like, you're gonna figure out the skills you need to be my assistant. But the fact that you can hold on to multiple ideas at one time is what I need, like, I need that. And I said to her, I'm hiring you because I like who you are. And I trust you. And I think that you're the person I want to talk to, in my business, every single day. So you'll go learn these things and this is what I'm hiring for. And I think that is something people misunderstand. And they get so focused on learning the skill, and they don't know why they're not being chosen over someone else. And it's, a lot of it is trust, but a lot of it is that those qualities that are unique that someone's looking for. 

Greg Tomchick 24:18  

People don't put them on the resume. It's amazing. You have to get to know people in order to tease those out and I think companies don't do that, typically. They hire people on a resume and hope that they have these character traits that are needed to excel. And I think that's why there's so much turnover in today's world, because people are doing things very, they're trying to do things too quick.

Lesley Logan 25:57  

Yeah, I agree with you. And I also think, like, I want to highlight something else you did I don't want anyone to miss. You asked people, what can I be doing better? What do you like about me? What are these things? I think a lot of us are waiting for that review every year to be told all these things. And it's like, you know, it can't, it's the same thing in your business, I have to ask our customers, why do you like us? What are we doing the best? What aren't we doing really well? What can we improve on? And, you know, it's asking the right people as well, because some people, they'll say what I'm like, well, I, I'm not trying to do that well, so that's okay. But, we, if we don't know what those things are, one, we can't put them on a resume, can't put them as a marketing tool, can't put it as a thing that can actually build the more, more trust and better relationships, then some of the vanity metrics that people put out there, we have the most classes, we have these things, and that's great. But a lot of people are picking stuff based off how it makes them feel.

Greg Tomchick 26:59  

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're like, on from one feeling to the next I call them feeling islands like you're going lily pad to lily pad have different feelings and that creates inconsistency with ourselves, as well as with others. So I think what you know what you're doing by asking those questions, it's showing compassion, you do it consistently. And then you know, also you're, you're finding ways to connect with people, people like to be asked how they feel about something. And if you can ask them, hey, how are you feeling about the service or the product we're delivering? Oftentimes, people are more than willing to share, once they feel, you know, you want to connect with them, you're compassionate by asking them a specific question and you're consistent with those, those are all those trust-building pillars that we, you know, help companies do from a security perspective, but it spans across the whole culture and the whole company. 

Lesley Logan 27:48  

Yeah. That's so cool. Okay. So, today, you're in cybersecurity. What is it? What is that?

Greg Tomchick 27:54  

It's a good, it's a good question. So cyber is basically connected security. So that trust pillar is a part of a connected company, I think of, of connection as our ability to connect with the environment around us. And that's a lot of what my show The Connected Mindset Live is all about. You know, that includes technology, a lot of people think cybersecurity, they think technology. And most of cybersecurity is about the technologies. We use our phones, the applications, the computers. But a big part of cybersecurity that was not taken into account before we got into this industry and wanted to do something a little bit different was the people aspect and the processes that we all go through, I call it and I mentioned this earlier, kind of the rhythm of existence, but how the people in a company wake up, like what does their personal lives look like and not getting too deep into exactly what they're doing but how does that carry over into what they do for the company? A lot of times if our life's hectic, we bring hecticness to the company, it, you know, it'll make someone a little bit angry, and then it's a trickle effect. So how do you intentionally support your people to make sure the company has the right awareness and training of these different connected ways of securing the company? And it's not just technology, it's also making sure you have what I call kind of cross-culture trust and digital trust is a piece of that. But it's not the whole puzzle when it comes to cybersecurity. And that's what I saw by working with these large companies. They wanted something more people-focused and less technology-focused. I like to say, we're so connected today through technology that we're less connected than ever before because, you know, a text message, a DM, you know, going through social media, that is a false it's kind of a quick dopamine hit but there's nothing like going up to somebody in an office and like having that connection conversation and doing it consistently asking them questions about hey, how was your morning, you know, how did you, how are your kids doing, all of that stuff is what builds trust. And today, we think that we can do that through the phone and sometimes we can, sometimes it does work. But there's a very big shift going on in the cybersecurity field specifically, where people are starting to think about security less from the technology side, and all the cool, you know, password managers, configurations, all these different rules you can put on it, and thinking more about the person. And if that person has a bunch of vulnerabilities, somebody can walk right in the front door and take advantage of either a company or a person. 

Lesley Logan 30:36  

Oh, 100%, you can hire the wrong contractor. You know, my inbox is full of people trying to sell me on whatever they can do with my Facebook ads, or my Amazon this. And I'm like, I'm the worst. I usually just hit block, spam. Or sometimes I'm like, you don't even know what I do. It's clear from these ads. So you can just stop right now. But like, if you are in a vulnerable state, you are feeling like what you don't have enough things, you could hire the wrong person that could really come in, and you pay them to do it. That is so it's such an interesting way, definitely not what I thought cybersecurity was. So I think this is the most interesting cybersecurity conversation we'll ever have. What are you most excited about right now?

Greg Tomchick 31:21  

Yeah, I think getting on more stages, like I love going to talk to people, it's something that fills my cup up. And it goes back to that, that leadership and that composure that is at the core of everything I do, whether it was athletics, leaving my family, or going out in the community and talking about things that I'm passionate about. I think just seeing each person that I interact with build better trust with themselves. Because I've went through that hard process of fighting that internal battle myself. So every person that gives me that point of feedback, and it's not why I do it for the feedback, but saying, I now feel more clear and more consistent in my personal and business life. That is what I'm extremely excited about just creating that multiple times over again, as I interact with different types of people, and go to more events where people walk away from the talk that I'm giving, and they better connect with the world around them with the people around them by doing simple things that are intentional, you know, connecting with people, you know, asking compassionate questions, and then being able to be consistent about how you're carrying yourself into the world. And I think that builds better trust, which builds better communities builds better companies. And I think, in my mind, it builds a better world, a world around us, that's a little bit more certain. Because as business owners, there's a lot of uncertainty. And if we have people around us that we trust, it's going to be a better business, a better world for us all to live in.

Lesley Logan 32:46  

Yeah, I agree. I think like, one of the things that's most certain is how uncertain it's all gonna be. But you're right, if you're surrounded, I know for myself, like I just spent a couple days with my best friends in person we live, you know, three and a half thousand miles away from each other, we don't even always have time to get on the phone and, and things like that. But during your one-on-one, you do feel more connected. And then you do interact with other people, strangers differently, because you don't feel like you're alone, and you're in your own head with your own story of, that's not always great. So I also feel like I'm definitely going, I'm pretty solid on my morning routines, but sometimes let things slide and I can feel like oh, shouldn't do that, because it's not gonna help me stay trusting myself. So thank you for that. All right, we'll take a brief break, we're gonna find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. 

Lesley Logan 33:32  

All right, where can people find you, follow you, work with you?

Greg Tomchick 33:35  

Yeah, I'm very active on LinkedIn. Greg Tomchick. Instagram is one of our top platforms for video and things of that nature that we're putting out. Website is valor-cybersecurity.com. I have my own personal website, GregTomchick.com. We'd love to hear from people, you know, on the journey they're going through, maybe something that they're battling with, love to answer questions and engage with the community. A lot of the things we put out on Instagram videos is answering questions that we get commonly. So you know, one of my core pillars is connection, as I mentioned, multiple times. So definitely reach out, connect and ask me any questions you may have. 

Lesley Logan 34:14  

Yeah, it's one of our core pillars at our company, too. So it's probably why we ended up in several groups together. All right, you've given us a lot, but just in case people need more or a summed up or an action step that they can take after hearing this. What do you have for us—bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? 

Greg Tomchick 34:33  

Yeah, yeah, it's a great question. I think for me, the hardest thing that I did that was bold was to set my own standards. And I basically, you know, took a piece of paper, wrote one to five and said, you know, what is the standard that I need to have to attract the right person? And you know, that was transparency. It was that compassion. So people that were inquisitive about, you know, what I was going through, and I basically just listed out all my standards and every time I meet somebody, I just go through those five of like, hey, here's your 'Greg is.' Is that someone you're interested in getting to know? So that was bold for me because I was a, you know, kind of a shy young kid. My parents were both military. So they never talked about emotions. So the fact that I'm able to help other people do this, but I do it myself, really just have five things that are really important to me, from a standard standpoint of what I know will build a good relationship with somebody like Greg, you know, I just basically state those out there. And I think when you're clear on that, you start to either weed people out that aren't good for you, or you attract the right people who are going to help improve you. I always say, I'm going out into the world with a ship that I built, I want people to enhance that ship, not tear down half of it and have to rebuild it later. So it's a good way to both connect with yourself to understand what you think's important. And that builds trust internally. And then to bring that to other people, and really be bold and state that as a prerequisite to having a relationship with you. It allows you to really, you know, in my opinion, live your best life and have the rhythm you need of fulfillment and some of the other words people say with success and things of that nature. But I'm really focused these days on, you know, building more joy, building what I think of as more fulfillment, and having those bold actions of just knowing my standards and really speaking them extremely clearly. I've been able to attract the people that I want around me and it's done really wonders for my life as a person.

Lesley Logan 36:39  

I love that we've never had that. That's amazing. That's so great. Greg, you're awesome. This is wonderful. Thanks for being on the show. Guys, how are you going to use the tips in your life? We want you to tag the Be It Pod, tag Greg, let us know and share this with a friend who needs to hear it especially one who has been maybe not as trusting of others or feeling like a little bit lost, anyone you think could benefit from what Greg has shared with you today. Thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 37:07  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 37:35  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 37:50  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 37:55  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 37:59  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 38:06  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 38:09  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It at FYF which means Fuck yeah, Friday, which means we celebrate wins. We're doing this because I think it's really important to notice that even with all the issues going on, you're still doing some things that are pretty freakin awesome. And I think it's important to acknowledge sometimes these are big things. Sometimes these are small things. Sometimes it's just like not screaming, when something doesn't go your way and you just want to go oh my god, it's another (inaudible). It could be a win just going I didn't get crazy when it didn't go my way. I just sat there I was like, okay, here we go. Here we go. (Inaudible) So we share a couple of your wins, we share a win of mine, and we do a fun little mantra. So let's get into this. 

Lesley Logan 1:29  

All right, we have Sonia Ahmed. She is an eLevate grad and she is an Agency member. And we are just so proud of the work that she's doing. Here we go. Two new clients signed up to my group classes through word of mouth through a private client. Now those ladies have referred a friend to my class where numbers were dwindling. And now that friend has also referred a friend. If they all stay with me and two of my old clients return, both could make this block, this class will be full. These new referrals are all my ideal client. And they're similar age to myself looking to stay fit and strong. Love it. Also, Sonia said today I had a Pilates lunch date at a restaurant for all my class participants. I had 11 come out of a total of 21 class clients, people who didn't know others got to know each other. It really made my heart warm. As we're leaving, I could hear them all planning coffee dates after class next week. My heart is full. I hit my initial goal of four signups to my workshop reset goal to six and I'm currently sitting at five cents with nine days ago. Woohoo. Refining my thoughts and pricing my new project offerings which I'll plug at the end of my workshop. Congratulations, Sonia. These are all big wins. It's hard when we like lose some clients, we gain some clients, it can feel like there's a lot going on. And I love that you are seeing the wins and new people coming but also that we're celebrating, like your people are referring people. And then they're also like getting connected with each other and doing coffee dates. You're creating community. It's just so beautiful. So thank you so much for sharing this with us. 

Lesley Logan 2:52  

All right, this next one is from Charlotte Coker. She is an Agency member. And she wrote I had my first coaching call with Brad and have some good clarity on my path forward from here. I have written my exam for my classical certification this afternoon. So I took the day off work, send thoughts and prayers and good vibes. Please, my pop-up class at the end of the month has seven people signed up and I think I can easily get another eight to ten. Way to go, Charlotte, way to go. We're sending you lots and lots of good energy and look, written exams are just, are hard, but they're like, you know what, you can't fail it, you're just gonna get feedback. And I hope you guys can see that like sometimes just like, these little things can be wins, we tend to think we oh, like what if Charlotte didn't celebrate until she finished her certification? That would be lame. Like waiting until that's done before you celebrate anything, you can just celebrate that you did that. Also, I love that she's celebrating she had a coaching call with Brad. You know, like, it's a big deal. It's very nervous to like, talk to somebody about your business and be open to new ideas and new pathways because sometimes we get stuck on what we're doing. So, way to go. Thank you for sharing this with us. 

Lesley Logan 3:53  

All right, let's my win. All right, here we go. I didn't take no for an answer. I know that sounds a little weird. And I wish I can get into details with you. But I can't. But I've been wanting something for a really, really long time. And I reached out to some companies. I was like, I want to do this with you. Here's we want to do and like there's like, no, no no and I was just getting really like bummed about it. I asked for some help which is my win last week. And I was like, this is what I want. This is what I want, this is what I want to do with it. Here's how I'm gonna help them. Here's what's gonna happen. And first, like, they came back to her and they're like, no, we're not doing that. And then she didn't take no for an answer, either. She's really good at that. And it all worked out. Which is really, really great. I share that with you because sometimes you get to know and it's not right now. You just need to follow up. Just need to ask again. And it's hard to remember that. So that's why I'm celebrating the wins. So when I hear this episode come out, it can be a reminder for myself to not take no for an answer when I really do believe I want the thing that I want. You're allowed to want the things that you want guys. It's also a win to acknowledge that. So anyways, that is my win for the week. Not taking no, getting the thing that I wanted, it's taking a little longer than I expected, but it's going to be here and it's going to be so amazing. It's going to be this really cool experience. And I'll share more with you when I can. 

Lesley Logan 5:08  

At any rate, that is our FYF. You know, I do not leave you without a mantra unless of course I forget, because we are not doing perfect over here. So what is your mantra for this week? My pleasure does not require someone else's pain. My pleasure does not require someone else's pain. My pleasure does not require someone else's pain. You guys, you can have good things in this life and doesn't mean someone is gonna have bad things. There is no joy pie, there is no money pie, there is no energy pie, everyone gets to be on their own journey. And if you win, they can win too. And that's why we share your wins, my wins, I want to hear your win so send them in to the Be It Pod. And if you have a friend who's just kind of a little bit of a, you know, Eeyore, then remind them that there's wins out there and send them this because wins don't have to be like everything is going well all the time. You guys, there's a ton of stuff that's not going great. I don't share that with you because I know that what comes from it will be great, that sucky is teaching me something I need to learn so I can be a better person to do the thing I want to do that supports everything that I'm doing. And that's really hard to remember when shit hits the fan. But I'm sharing that with you. So, your pleasure is not someone else's pain. Thank you so much and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:16  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 6:43  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 6:58  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:03  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 7:07  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:15  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:18  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.