Be It Till You See It

After years of dismissal by doctors, Lesley finally found a provider who understands women’s health needs. In this recap, Lesley and Brad revisit a life-changing conversation with Michele Wispelway of FemGevity. They discuss frustrations over the inadequate hormone testing for women and how it can impact their health. Lesley also shares her personal journey with FemGevity, detailing the significant changes she experienced after receiving proper diagnoses and care. Listen and discover the importance of advocating for comprehensive hormone testing and learn actionable tips for improving your health.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Tips for strengthening your core and lower body for better control.
• The frustration for the lack of hormone testing for women.
• Understand the gaps in healthcare that affect women's health.
• Learn about the personalized health plan FemGevity created for Lesley.
• The concept of accepting, changing, or leaving situations in life.
• Why it’s important to look for doctors that aren’t just spot-treating. 

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• FemGevity Lesley Logan Affiliate Link

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

I cannot stress enough, pick up the call and get on the phone with them. Just do it because here's the deal, I have spent years actively advocating for my health. It took me years actively advocating and you don't have to do years to change your life. And I don't, to be it till you see it, you can have the best goals, the biggest passion, know your why, have all the strategies, have all the tools and if your hormones or your gut are out of balance, it doesn't matter. It's really gonna be hard to be it till you see it. 

Lesley Logan 0:29  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:11  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dive into the instrumental, life-changing, health-related, my life will never be the same because of this woman. Holy moly, this podcast has changed our lives, Brad. 

Brad Crowell 1:26  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 1:27  

changed our lives. This interview changed our lives. So I'm just gonna say that right now. And so you're gonna listen to this one. You're gonna hear all these amazing things. You'll listen that one that was back in time before I even like knew Michelle, and then you're gonna go do things to change your life because my life changed. 

Brad Crowell 1:47  

That's true. 

Lesley Logan 1:43  

I don't think I've ever said, I only have yet to say that my life has changed from an episode this much. Because while they're all amazing, this one really has tangible benefits and things have changed my life. So anyways, we'll get into that in just a second. 

Lesley Logan 1:56  

Today, you guys, is July 11th 2024 and it is World Population Day. So about this day, World Population Day on July 11th is a holiday that’s dedicated to focusing on the importance of population issues. The day was established by the United Nations as a result of the massive interest people had in Five Billion Day in 1987. Here's a crazy timeline. The World Population Day Timeline. 1804: First billion people. That's 1804. How do they even know there's a billion people? How did they do that? Because by the time they all

Brad Crowell 2:27  

It has to be an estimation. 

Lesley Logan 2:28  

Right, because by the time they actually get to telling the place, there's more people. Anyways, 1927: Second billion. That’s been a while. 

Lesley Logan 2:37  

That's over 100 years took a while to hit to 1960s. Third billion people. So that.

Brad Crowell 2:41  

That's over a hundred years to hit two. 

Lesley Logan 2:42  

Took a while. 1960: Third billion people.

Brad Crowell 2:44  

So that one cut down to less than just a little over 40 years, they added another bill.

Lesley Logan 2:49  

1989: A holiday is born. The United Nations recognizes July 11 as World Population Day. Well that's an annoying, that's a lame little timeline there, guys. 

Brad Crowell 2:59  

They wanted to plug themselves. 

Lesley Logan 3:00  

But then we skip the fourth and fifth billion we just go straight to the 6 billion, so.

Brad Crowell 3:05  

So, within 40 years later, it's year 2000, where it doubled from three to six billion people.

Lesley Logan 3:11  

Yeah. And then April 24th 2017, seven and a half billion on this day statistical models as the world population at seven. Okay, so we're not celebrating World Population Day on the same day, like sometimes they're just. 

Brad Crowell 3:23  

No, no, these are just markers in the sand. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

But yeah, 7 billion would have been a marker. (Inaudible) 

Brad Crowell 3:28  

Yeah, I don't know why they did 7.5. But they didn't have eight on there and I know we hit eight. So I went and looked it up. So, November 15th, 2022.

Brad Crowell 3:33  

There’s eight billion people. 

Brad Crowell 3:37  

Which is only 22 years after 6 billion. So, we're definitely growing as a species.

Lesley Logan 3:43  

Yeah. And you know, that means we all have to think about each other. So, there's a lot of shit going on. And people being assholes, about other people. And it's like, all this fear that people are dealing with. And you know what most people actually are just really nice people. And so please, please, please, when you wherever you vote in this world, think about your neighbor when you're voting not just yourself.

Brad Crowell 4:04  

Yeah, I mean, the reality is we have more, as of 2020, we've had more people forced to move out of their home of birth, like their country of birth, than ever in the history of our planet. And that was 2020. That's four years ago, there was an estimated almost 300 million people had, were moving around, right? Whether that is from climate change, or war, or whatever it is, I mean, the world is changing, shifting, growing. So, it's really important to understand that these things are happening.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

Yeah, so just like, you know, when you vote think about people, not just yourself, and like, we all try to live on the same planet together and it's possible. So anyways, that's my PSA.

Brad Crowell 4:53  

All right, here's what's coming up next. We are going to be on the road in less than a month we're going around the Midwest, we're going from Vegas up through Minnesota, over to Cleveland and back around through the Midwest, on our summer tour for OPC. Come join us for a Pilates class or a Pilates workshop where you get to really dig in. Come hang out with us. Come meet our dogs, come see this epic van. We are sponsored by Balanced Body. We are so fired up to be able to say that. That's incredible. opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour

Lesley Logan 5:24  

Yeah. And then, as this is going on, the eLevate applications are open. 

Brad Crowell 5:29  

Oh, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 5:31  

I think you have a few days left to apply. So you'll want to go to Lesleylogan.co/elevate

Brad Crowell 5:37  

You got a few days left to apply with a big bonus.

Lesley Logan 5:40  

Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. But also, if it fills up, then that's it. (inaudible) So, yeah. So just like I wouldn't, I feel like I don't need a bonus, Les. I'm good. Like, that's fine. But there also might not be space. So, Lesleylogan.co/elevate.

Brad Crowell 5:56  

Yeah, that's your Pilates mentorship program. It's a nine-month program. Next up, we got retreats. Lesley and I go to Cambodia all the time, as you've heard us talk innumerable times in this podcast. But we've got a retreat coming up in February 2025. And we're going to be taking a group of people with us, we already have a bunch of people signed up. It's gonna be an amazing trip. There's room for more. And we want that to be you. Yeah. So have you ever wanted to explore Angkor which is like, basically the eighth wonder of the world. It's a bucket list location, let me tell you, you can come stay at our house, we actually have a place there. It's so much fun. It's incredible. We absolutely love it. And we'd love for you to join us and see what life is like, around the world go to crowsnestretreats.com.

Lesley Logan 6:39  

Yeah, and then finally, come to OPC with me, it is 40 days for $40. It's the best deal we've got. It's $1 a day to get some Pilates in your body and an incredible community. Oh my gosh, we're having the most fun now that we're not on Facebook, and we're in the app. And like, it's just so cool. Every single day there's someone in there having an aha moment trying to picture their pet, getting feedback on their form. And it's just and we also have a live class you can come to and we get to hang out and have happy hour or coffee or whatever time it is where you are. And so, it's just like literally people around the world come to class and take class together on that monthly live. So opc.me/40 is what you want to do. Before we get into, can't wait to like sing from the rooftops how my life has changed. But before I get into that, do we have an audience question to respond to? 

Brad Crowell 7:23  

We sure do. Marianna Coaching & Wellness on YouTube asks regarding the Pilates exercise called the roll up? The real problem for me is that I'm a Pilates teacher since 2021. I used to train weights, too. And I think my abs are quite fit. I struggle a lot. And my legs always lift during the roll up. I'm starting to think it's my body’s shape. I mean, maybe the shape of my spine lumbar curvature is quite deep. Or maybe it's just that I have glutes or I may, you know, my hip flexors. Like, what do you think? If you're watching on YouTube, you could already see Lesley shaking her head. Hey, Mariana, I can relate to this. I was not lifting weights when I met Lesley. And when I did the roll up, my legs would lift too. So this is, you're not alone. This is absolutely something that people go through. And what is it actually saying about your strength and flexibility and your body? Lesley?

Lesley Logan 8:18  

Well, without me seeing you do it, which, if you're an OPC member, I could actually, you could film yourself doing the roll up and I could see you do it. Without seeing you do it just based on what you said, I actually think that your back is tight, your hip flexors are over worked. And while your core is fit, your deep core muscles, there's a lot of them, are not firing because your hamstrings and glutes and inner thighs are too weak. Boom. I said it. I said it. Now, it doesn't mean that they're like, you don't have them. No, it's not me saying but your hip flexors are really strong. And so. 

Brad Crowell 8:45  

It's out of balance. 

Lesley Logan 8:47  

So, it's out of balance. And so everything has to be working together in a balanced way, which means nothing is overworking or under working. And so if your hip flexors are really strong what they're doing is they're pulling on your back. So, your back actually is tight, and it cannot round. And so I'd also want to know like what your rolling like a ball looks like and what your open like a rocker looks like. And so  

Brad Crowell 9:05  

It’s true. That’s what I was gonna say (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 9:07  

Yeah, Brad look at those ones, too. So I'm gonna say, if we're not gonna blame your body, we're not gonna blame your booty, I got, I got one, too, not gonna blame it because if we actually turn everything on, you can actually get up and over your butt. You just can't because also the butt doesn't even move the butt is supposed to stay where it is when you do the roll up. So my homework for you. 

Brad Crowell 9:25  

Homework. 

Lesley Logan 9:25  

Homework.

Brad Crowell 9:26  

Oh, shoot. 

Brad Crowell 9:26  

For those who whose legs lift in the roll up is, single leg kicks on the mat, thigh stretch on the mat, shoulder bridge, not pushing your lower back up but making sure your tailbone is reaching toward your knees. 

Brad Crowell 9:38  

Are your writing these down? 

Lesley Logan 9:38  

Better write them down. 

Brad Crowell 9:39  

Write them down. 

Lesley Logan 9:40  

All of these are free tutorials on the OPC app. They're also on the mat flashcards. And then what I would suggest is that you are really making sure your (inaudible), we have a whole workshop on the (inaudible) on OPC, I want your (inaudible) on, I want your hamstrings and glutes to work which means on the roll up on the hardest part I want you to exhale, squeeze your butt and roll up. 

Brad Crowell 10:04  

Do it.

Lesley Logan 10:04  

And if you use the mat with a strap like the Contrology mat that I have, we have an affiliate link for that. Grab it because the strap is not for beginners. The strap is for the more advanced. You get, and I just want to say one more thing, because I know Brad wants me to end, just because you’ve been a teacher for since 2021, do not put pressure on yourself. You should do the roll up by now. I've had clients who don't do the roll up for I mean, they still struggle with the roll up years later.

Brad Crowell 10:24  

Less than three years. 

Lesley Logan 10:25  

Oh my god it's like not enough time. Like it just takes a long time. It's a hard exercise and in other training programs that's the beginner exercise because it's possible to do for a newbie, but it doesn't mean it's easy. So I just want to take that pressure off, babe. All right. Send your questions in to us guys, and we'll answer them here on the Be It Pod. 

Brad Crowell 10:41  

All right, let's talk about Michele Wispelway. Michele is a seasoned healthcare executive with over 18 years of experience holding an MBA in healthcare management and co-founder and CEO of FemGevity. She also pioneered the first saliva-based COVID-19 PCR tests in the New York metro area. She advocates for women's health, emphasizing the importance of an integrative and preventative approach to perimenopausal and menopause. Her passion extends to creating a supportive ecosystem where women can openly discuss health issues, and access the necessary resources to live healthier lives.

Lesley Logan 11:17  

Oh my gosh, well, if you guys listen to the episode, you heard me like, I was sharing my frustrations with my experience. And we talked about how, especially in the U.S., but also we've had people here in the U.K., and it is really freaking hard if you're a woman to get your hormones tested. And then for that to be covered by insurance. And then for the things you need to be covered by insurance, it just is really difficult. It's mostly because they just don't do a lot of testing on women. So like people don't know, but a lot of people know a lot of stuff. And what we do know is that there's help out there, and you don't have to live this way. And so she would actually love for like doctors and annual test to make it much easier for women to get their hormones tested. I mean, we expressed this two years ago, when I tried to get my hormones tested from my annual physician's checkup, could not do that. My annual pap smear, could not get my hormones tested. So I guess, what I did guys, I actually worked with FemGevity and I got my hormones tested. We'll go into that in a little bit in a second. But like, there's just a lot of, first of all, if you are frustrated about how the system, especially in a western society in the US, like is hard to get the answers you need, and you're feeling a little crazy. There is help for you. And that is basically why they created what they created. Because like, they're like, there's help out there. And why are we preventing women from getting this help if they can live longer, healthier lives if they had it?

Brad Crowell 12:38  

Yeah. And I think it was interesting, you know, she, she talks about how to find a doctor. She said, a red flag for her is a doctor who only focuses on one thing. So the irony specialists that she's basically suggesting, you need more than just a specialist, you go to the specialist, after you've identified an issue that like the, the person who's looking at your entire body, can help you, okay, hey, there's actually an issue here, you really need to go see a specialist. But what we often have happen when we are doing health care, in the United States at least, is that you're talking to somebody who is only assessing a small portion or a small vision of your overall health, right? A small piece of your overall health and she said that's gonna go.

Lesley Logan 13:23  

Well and also like, if you have crappy insurance like we do, currently. Because we work for ourselves, we're working on getting better ones, but there's not a lot of options for us (inaudible) and so we're stuck with the options that we have that we can afford. And so we have to go to a GP who would be someone who does everything. And then they're the gatekeeper to the specialist. And Brad had an experience for the guys like, yeah, you want a referral for that? No problem. You want a referral for that? No problem. Here's, Brad was thrown referrals. And I was like, she's like, no, they can't test for that. No, they can't, like, with women it changes a lot, like, she was like, just like, I was like, do you not like me? Like, why, what is going on here? So at any rate, it can be very difficult to get the specialist that you do need once you have someone who's supposed to have general knowledge, because the general knowledge people don't know all the new stuff, because how can you like, I'm not here to knock, if you’re GP listeners, I'm not here to knock that. Like, there's so much new things changing all the time, it'd be so hard to keep up with all that. So at any rate, it can be really frustrating. If you are frustrated. Stay tuned, I got some, I got some things that will take the frustration away from you. What did you love before we go into that?

Brad Crowell 14:29  

Okay, so actually, nothing to do with FemGevity or health or any of that it actually was failure. You know, Michele talked about being an entrepreneur, which I can relate to, she talked about how do you grow a business? And, you know, how did she become to get into this? Because you asked her like, how did you start from FemGevity? Right? And she said, well, you know, you have to be able to take risks. And because you know, which means you have to be able to fail. And we've talked about this before on the pod but the reality is failure will make you better. Even though it sucks, sometimes it's so scary because there could be a lot riding on a thing that you might be doing, right? And she talked about the decisions that you make as a small business, that could put your business at risk. But you have to be willing to take risks in order to grow. And you have to be willing to fail so that you can learn, and then bring something better to your clients that they will love even more and share that story with others. So I found it interesting where she was also talking about when you're starting to evaluate your health. There's failure there, too. Right? 

Lesley Logan 15:40  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 15:40  

You know, like the reality of testing your gut, like learning about the different foods, you know, you just got, you just got a whole bunch of results back. 

Lesley Logan 15:48  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 15:48  

And they said, Okay, you're totally allergic to this. and you're highly sensitive to these things. But you're only sort of somewhat sensitive to these other things over here. And then what does that actually mean? And they're like, well, sometimes you could eat it. But then other times, you shouldn't eat it. 

Lesley Logan 16:02  

Or like, the, you might be able to eat it. And you might not notice how it makes you feel, but then you might actually feel awful. So like every (inaudible) that medium sensitive, it's like different for everyone. So it is, if you test it and you gotta get it wrong. And then you're like (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 16:17  

Because you're eating it. And you're like, oh, that was a mistake, I could tell right away, especially if you pull it out of your diet for, you know, six to eight weeks, and then you reintroduce it it'll be far more attuned to the failure. 

Lesley Logan 16:30  

And also like, this is where the word feedback is a better replacement. 

Brad Crowell 16:34  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 16:34  

And I think like, it's like, you win, or you learn, right? So if we all can change, failure to feedback, then really now I have more feedback on how I feel about things and I now have a lot more understanding of like, oh, no wonder I felt like crap that day. Oh, no wonder I threw up in South Korea. You guys at outside a restaurant, I had to run up the stairs.

Brad Crowell 16:56  

I had no idea. She was like, I gotta go. And then I heard the whole story later. 

Lesley Logan 16:59  

Erika Quest had to hold my hair up as I vomited in the bushes outside the front door where everyone from Balanced Body was about to come out. I thought it was my gut. And I'm nope, nope, actually should not ever have mussels. And I had mussels, oysters and slightly sensitivity to scallops. And I had all three in a row. And my stomach was like, holy no, that's a no. So really, my stomach did its job and you should celebrate that. Yeah, she is, I really liked that we got to bring this up because I thought it was like really vulnerable. I mean, like, here she is. She's trying to do something so big with her company and medical rules and things and stuff like it's so hard and to make something that's accessible so of course there's a me failure involved and you learn from it. 

Brad Crowell 17:29  

Yeah, love it. 

Lesley Logan 17:49  

Okay, you guys, here we go. 

Brad Crowell 17:50  

Okay.

Lesley Logan 17:50  

 I'm so you. So, I fell in love with Michele it's like how are we not friends? And when we hit stop on the podcast, I was like, okay, how do I work with you? Because like I'm, I'm sold. And by the way, you guys we didn't get into some perimenopause symptoms in that episode that are like some sneaky ones that your shoulder stuff might not be a surgical thing you guys it could be perimenopause. So go, go get things checked. At least get baselines on stuff. So I asked her about how her company worked. I asked her like what we could do and now FemGevity is a sponsor of the pod and I have gone through their longevity plan. I'm still going through it because it is a what I love about them is like it's your it's not just like a one and done like It's like they're with you. And let me tell you how much they're with me. So they sent a phlebotomist. We need a longevity plan. So we have a link for a consultation call. It's beitpod.com/FemGevity and 

Brad Crowell 18:44  

It's F-E-M Gevity G-E-V-I-T-Y.

Lesley Logan 18:47  

FemGevity. So when you, when you sign up for the longevity plan, they sent a phlebotomist to my house, which is so nice, because I'm so busy. I did, Brad was like not super excited for what we had to like, top off at a FedEx but I did, I did a stool test. They came to do blood and urine tests. And here's the thing about blood. They don't just do blood, they do serum. And so what is really, really key if you look at their Instagram, you'll see like why serum is so important. So.

Brad Crowell 19:15  

I'm laughing myself I'm like oh, yeah, that is serum. Like I know what that means. 

Lesley Logan 19:18  

You're like not (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 19:19  

Oh, yeah, this is serum.

Speaker 1 19:21  

So, I got my blood tests back first within like a couple of weeks. And you guys I have been telling doctors for years. For years since I got my first test back from the guy who said you have no testosterone that I can detect. I said (inaudible) I have low testosterone (inaudible) no, 2016. That's how long ago. 

Brad Crowell 19:44  

It's like almost 10 years (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 19:45  

And he told me I could get better testosterone in my body if I lifted weights so I was lifting heavy weights. I did all the things and like my testosterone was like just not becoming in the normal range. And over these years, again, like my last year's results, still not there and a lot of doctors, meanwhile, and they said, well, let's just wait and see because people don't want to put someone on testosterone if they don't need it, but like, what was happening is, I stopped feeling excited to work out. It was really hard for me to work out. I was, I work, some who goes to gym four days a week, and I was like, I was not able to pick up heavier weights. I was actually picking up lighter weights, like everything just felt hard in my body. And I was just getting really frustrated because I didn't have energy during the day, no energy during the day. And so anyways, when my test came back, and it said, my testosterone whas oh, surprise, surprise, oh, really low. And I described how my day felt she's like, yeah, babe, she's like, you do not have enough testosterone for you. And so then I also we went over, like how I was feeling in my cycle. I was like, I don't, I'm really frustrated. Because I'm, oh, I'm like, extreme, like, way too emotional before my cycle starts way like, to the point that like, I run a company and like, I don't want to be in my own meetings, because I don't want to be with me. Because me is not able to control her emotions the way that I want. Like, I feel like a crazy person trying to like control how I'm feeling. And then instead of it feeling better, when my cycle starts, it stayed emotional. And so my and she looked at my progesterone, she's like, Yeah, your professional results are saying the exact same thing. And so progesterone is supposed to be this really fun friend that comes in and just like makes you sleep really, really good. And I was not getting that. And so within two days, they sent me my prescription. It took a week for me to like feel a difference with the testosterone, which (inaudible). I am a new human and I think Brad can even test that I'm a new human. So anyways, I'm not saying that hormone therapy is what you need. What I am saying is I finally got doctors to listen to me and my blood test showed exactly how I was feeling so I was not crazy. My symptoms matched my test results. And I got a doctor I loved the the doctor you get with the telemedicine and she's phenomenal. I got a doctor who listened to me, encouraged me didn't make me feel crazy, like totally told me that there's going to be help and it's going to make me feel better. And then two weeks after that my sensitivity allergy test came back. And you guys I've been poisoning myself. So I've been poisoning myself. I am very sensitive to oats and been doing oat milk every day, sometimes twice a day and doing overnight oats and 

Brad Crowell 22:16  

Loving those oat milk latte.

Lesley Logan 22:17  

Love, loving oak milk latte and we now make cashew milk, guys, we now make cashew milk. I also found out like what I'm highly sensitive to versus what I'm moderately sensitive to and what I'm allergic to which Brad and I discovered in April that I am allergic to mites like dust mites. Yup, yup. European and American, which explains why my nose runs when I'm in Europe. So, so anyways, like all that, I had all this information. And now I'm on a six-week journey of like trying to take all the things I'm sensitive to out of my life. I know tomatoes, tomatoes, garlic. Cherries are definitely out. But the strawberries and watermelon. Yep, there are two right now. So anyways, but here's the cool thing that the doctor explained to me is like some of these things might not be out forever, but they're out for right now until I like detox myself and then from them just by not doing them. And then in six, eight weeks, just given a test so I can see how I feel, just by doing it because maybe I just feel like not so great. And I'm like, whatever. It's a beautiful day, I want some strawberries, or I might feel like a complete bump on a log who doesn't want to move and then we know don't do it. But then you'll I'll be I'll make that decision for myself. And then just today before we got on this call, so I'm already feeling better. But I could tell I was feeling a bit better. The doctor is like, like, like going crazy and with joy because every time she sees me, I'm a even more energetic human of myself. She's like, because the first time she saw me, I like cried on the call. I was like I don't even I can't even tell you. I'm crying right now. I'm just crying because like, I'm just I don't have any more. There's nothing left of me right now. And you now and you're on this call. And ,and then then I buy when I saw her a few weeks later, just a few weeks later, I was already different person. And now here's a few more weeks later, and I am just like, okay, tell me what you got. What's going on? Like, I'm just like, I'm just so fired up about life. And my gut test came back and I, you guys, I was really stressing today because I was like, what if the gut test come back and there's nothing wrong, like they can't find anything. Like I was just like, oh my god, if they don't find anything, like I'm just a crazy person because I had so many doctors tell me I'm a crazy person for all the guts stuff I brought up before and for 15 years and she was like, okay, she's like, I'm just gonna be really honest. Your gut is got a lot going on. And we can fix it all. But this is probably one of the most the biggest cases I've seen I have a lot of lot of different things going on. And I was, explained to her what's going on with my bowel movements, what's going on with my gut how I felt in the day and on the test you can literally see okay, your bowel movements are like this because you have a parasite, Brad, I have a parasite. So already antibiotics are at the are waiting for me to pick up today. And then there's some other things that can be done with supplements. But what I am so excited about is in a few weeks, I'm going to feel like another better version of myself. And so I'm so excited ladies, I cannot stress enough, pick up the call and get on the phone with them. Just do it because here's the deal. I have spent years actively advocating for my health. It took me years actively advocating and you don't have to do yours to change your life. And I don't, to be it until you see it, you can have the best goals, the biggest passion, know your why, have all the strategies, have all the tools, and if your hormones or your gut are out of balance, it doesn't matter. It's really gonna be hard to be it till you see it.

Brad Crowell 25:37  

It's true. Yeah, especially just to maintain like consistency and be enthusiastic and excited. I mean, I can attest, I've seen a shift in your approach towards the day. So yeah.

Speaker 1 25:51  

The approach was, like, literally in a meeting, just like I'm like, oh, this is what we're gonna do. Like, it's just everything is just a lot more. Like, it just feels more possible. So beitpod.com/femgevity will get you a free consultation call. And that way you can meet with them, understand their plans, pick the one that's best for you. And look, here's the deal. Yes, we're paying out of like you pay out of pocket, but there's a lot of stuff that your insurance will cover if you have insurance and so, so it's kind of like going to another doctor is really what it is. But go check it out. Don't, don't turn yourself away right away. 

Brad Crowell 25:56  

It's telehealth so. 

Lesley Logan 26:17  

It's telehealth and honestly, like, I don't want to call the doctors off. I go to the doctor's office for my annual visit like pap smear and I just like, here we are sitting in a waiting room, you know, it is like so annoying. You just can't do that. I guess you can't do that on telemedicine. But you know, it's really nice what you can do and so, especially for my busy women listening, you are not too busy for this to work for you. Because they made it so easy for me. So I will also be going live I will have gone live with them. By the time this comes out. I go live with them on July 9, which is when their episode comes out. So, so, anyways, you can go see us talk on there if you want but use the link to get the free call.

Brad Crowell 27:04  

Okay, finally, let's talk about those be it action items what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Michele Wispelway? She said, we have choices here we have three distinct choices in life, these are your options, you either accept the thing, you change the thing, or you leave the thing. And we need to pick our own path, whatever the situation might be, whether it's a fight with your partner, or whether you're having health issues, you have to be very clear which one of those three things you're going to choose, accept it, change it, or leave it, right? And these are like rocks in your life. These three things are what you need to, remember this, we have a decision that we can make about all the things except to change it or leave it. 

Lesley Logan 27:49  

Yeah, I love that. So, so simple, but hard. Yeah. Okay, so.

Brad Crowell 27:55  

What about you? 

Lesley Logan 27:55  

Of course here we're going to talk about her Be It Action Items, she's stressed encouraging you look for doctors that are not just spot treating, we already talked about this, but this is your Be It Action Item. Is your doctor just spot-treating? Is your doctor not doing holistic testing? So if you have a doctor and you want to see like, will they do blood, stool and gut sensitivity testing all at once, because that should be what you're getting. Like you do a whole panel, and not just like a top thing it's like the whole panel, get it all. And if you and she said if your doctor doesn't, you should find another doctor. And I know that's really hard. I know we're really busy. But this is your health guys. And the US health system specific I can't speak to other ones does not do preventative well, it does, it treats you when you're sick, but doesn't want to do preventative. And there is information out there that if we have information early on, we can do preventative things to make your life better. And so that requires us to advocate for ourselves that requires us to like be on like aware of that and to be making actions for that. So she wants you to make sure that your doctors are going to do a complete full testing and if they're not find a new one. And you can also go to beitpod.com/femgevity for that. 

Brad Crowell 27:55  

I love it. Well, hey, I'm really excited that we randomly connected with with this. 

Lesley Logan 29:10  

They approached us and then I fell in love with her. And I fall in love with her doctor and they have their, I'm a client for life. They're stuck with me. 

Brad Crowell 29:18  

Yeah, I think it's amazing. And thank you for being a listener here at the Be It Pod. We wouldn't do this if you didn't listen. So thanks for doing that.

Lesley Logan 29:27  

And did you notice this episode 392. So episode 400 is coming up and we have a very, very, very special guest. I might be as excited for that recap as I'm excited for this one. Now that I've said that I wasn't before now I am. And so make sure you take a look and send this to a friend if you've got a woman in your life who's struggling with some stuff with their health, send this to them because they feel crazy. They feel alone. They feel like they, they feel like they, like it's all in their head. They feel like no one will listen to them and like they need to know. 

Brad Crowell 29:27  

When they did finally step out to get some test results. They were told they're fine. 

Lesley Logan 30:02  

Yeah. Or they're told they have IBS. And I do, like, and you might, but also you probably don't, you probably just have some parasites and some gut digestive enzymes that need to be sorted out there. And so please, please, please send this to the friends you have who are struggling with perimenopause where they think they have perimenopause. Or they're struggling with any gut stuff. I need them to know. It's important that they know they're not alone. And it's really freaking hard to be the best version of yourself when you feel like shit. So this is this is my other PSA, listen to this and take some action towards your health because you are amazing. Thank you so much for listening. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 30:35  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 30:37  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 30:37  

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Brad Crowell 31:20  

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Brad Crowell 31:28  

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Lesley Logan 31:35  

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Brad Crowell 31:39  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Dive deep into the importance of integrative and preventive healthcare with Michele, CEO and co-founder of FemGevity. They tackled systematic barriers to women's health and how the healthcare system often overlooks these needs—particularly in perimenopause and menopause care. Learn actionable tips on balancing hormones, comprehensive health testing, and integrative solutions that can help you live your longest, most vibrant life yet. Tune in to take charge of your health today with confidence and clarity.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The necessity of an integrative approach to women's healthcare.
• FemGevity as an accessible service prioritizing women’s health. 
• The importance of comprehensive hormone and microbiome testing.
• Failures of symptom-based treatments, especially in menopause care.
• Systematic barriers and the need for innovative healthcare solutions.
• Why women need community and safe space to discuss vulnerabilities.

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• FemGevity Instagram
• FemGevity
• FemGevity TIkTok
• FemGevity LinkedIn
• Eve by Cat Bohannon

Guest Bio:

Michele has expertly crafted her career niche within the healthcare sector, accumulating over 18 years as a strategic healthcare executive. Armed with an MBA in Healthcare Management from Northeastern University, Michele excels in aligning women's healthcare services with contemporary needs and expectations. Her contributions have been nothing short of revolutionary, particularly in introducing innovative women's health testing to New York City's leading physicians. Her focus spans molecular genetics, cancer biomarkers, and PCR Testing, making a significant impact in the medical community. Michele's professional journey has seen her in influential roles within Fortune 500 companies like Labcorp and Quest, but her prowess shines brightest in her role in smaller, specialized laboratories. Notably, she achieved remarkable success in expanding her client portfolio to an impressive $40 million in New York City. Michele's leadership extends beyond diagnostics and into innovation. She spearheaded the implementation of the first saliva-based COVID-19 PCR test in the New York Metro area, demonstrating her pioneering spirit. Her entrepreneurial flair is further evidenced by her role as the co-founder and CEO of FLOW Dental, a thriving multimillion-dollar cosmetic dental practice. This multifaceted career showcases Michele's unique blend of strategic vision and entrepreneurial acumen.

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Episode Transcript:

Michele Wispelwey 0:00  

You have three options in mind, you need to either accept it, change it, or leave it. And you need to pick your path. And whatever that situation may be, whether it's a fight with a partner, how you feel about your body, if you're having health issues, you have those three distinct options in life. And be very clear which one you choose, accept it, change it, or leave it. I think you change it.

Lesley Logan 0:29  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Oh my gosh, you guys get ready. This conversation went everywhere, everywhere, ladies, in all the best ways. And to be honest, like, I knew I wanted to have her on the show. But then we got into talking and I was like, oh, we're gonna have a conversation. So we get down and dirty ladies about women's health and holistic health and signs and symptoms that people are getting confused and what doctors are doing and just all about, well just you know how to have ease in existence, right? Like everyone talks about find your purpose, but like sometimes you can know your purpose and it's not easy. And ease of existence can comes from like having really awesome balanced health and wellness. And so Michele Wispelway of FemGevity is our guest today. Get ready, ladies, this is a good one. So here we go. 

All right, Be It babe. I'm super excited to finally get this interview going because I was so excited when I met Michele Wispelway, our guest today, to talk about what she's just excited to talk with you about. And then you know my life. We all got a little bit busy. And so what's so fun about it happening today is this is the exact day that you should be hearing it. It's the exact day we should be talking about it. So Michele, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Michele Wispelwey 2:22  

Yes. Hi, everyone. I am Michele Wispelway. I am CEO and co founder of FemGevity Health. We are a female longevity medicine and focusing on menopause and perimenopause treatments. I'm also a mom. I'm an aunt, I'm also I'm a sister. I'm lots of other things. But you know, my sole purpose here today is that, CEO of FemGevity. 

Lesley Logan 2:45  

Okay, so that is really cool. Our ears are all perked up at female longevity and all the things. So I guess how did you get into that? Because I don't know, maybe you grew up going I'm going to be in medicine with female longevity, or I don't know, did you stumble upon it? What was the impetus to it?

Michele Wispelwey 3:03  

Yeah, so I, my background was always, I guess from if you want to kind of go back to just college years, right? And what I want to do, and I really wanted to be on the science back end of like diagnostics, and I love the innovation in medicine, and being able to work with doctors to collaborate different type of treatment plans on how their patients live healthier. And that was, really quickly, I learned that that just wasn't the reality of our healthcare system. It was driven by a payer system. And and there's very limited on what women are offered opportunity wise, especially if you are not, you know, top of the echelon of the income be able to pay out of pocket. And through my journey of with my lab background, I really got to see and dig in deeper on like, what I wanted for myself, and what I think other women would want for themselves. So that's what really long story short led led me here. And I also have a very personal journey where my mom actually was really gaslit for many years on what, she had symptoms, what she was told that were just menopause really, actually they call it go and you're just going through your changes.

Lesley Logan 4:23  

I do recall my grandma was going through her changes. 

Michele Wispelwey 4:27  

Yeah, isn't that so tacky? You know, it's like when men said oh, she's on the rag. It's like that type of crap.

Lesley Logan 4:34  

Yeah, it is that type of crap. It's just like, can we just call it what it is? It has a name. 

Michele Wispelwey 4:39  

Yeah, yeah. So my mom actually passed away at 51. 

Lesley Logan 4:44  

Oh, my gosh that's so young. 

Michele Wispelwey 4:45  

Yeah, yeah. She was misdiagnosed for years. And she had a lot of spotting and what appeared that it was her changes and fibroids and that is exactly where we still are today with a lot of doctors, majority of doctors, you know, 80% of them have no training on hormones and perimenopause and menopause and just how it affects women's longevity, ovarian preservation, metabolic, you know, cancer prevention, things like that. So I have a few, you know, caveats that have brought me to where I am today. And I think as a little girl, I was always very, I guess you would say neurotic, where I was always like, nervous and like health conscious and, and stuff about like germs. You know, like, I peed my pants all the time in kindergarten, because I never wanted to sit on the toilet because I didn't want to get germs and probably I'm probably diving into like psychological issues that we don't need to do right now. But my point is, I was very big into health and staying healthy and looking for ways to go down that route. So I think it's always inherently been in me. And just has driven me to here today,

Lesley Logan 6:00  

Okay, this is, okay, thank you for sharing that. Because yes, I'm, right now, like.

Michele Wispelwey 6:04  

Just being honest. 

Lesley Logan 6:05  

I love it. Because I know I can already picture some of our listeners, I won't say their names who are, probably, doing the same thing. I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. I have many female family members who were misdiagnosed or just kinda pushed the wayside until it was too bad until it was too late. People just dismissing the symptoms as being oh, you know, like my grandmother, oh, she's just taking too many of her pain meds and she actually had more pain meds leftover than she should every month. So like, that can't be. That's, that's not how math works. So you know, and I, and I don't know that if, she did die of brain cancer. I don't know that finding out sooner would have done anything different for her type. But like also, I think she would have spent the last few months of her life feeling like she was a crazy person. You know, being you know, (inaudible) like, I do think that there's some interesting things I'm currently, I'm sure you've heard the book, Michele, but I'm currently reading the book Eve, the history. 

Michele Wispelwey 7:01  

Oh my God, so am I. It's so good. Did you get to the section yet that men have nipples? (Inaudible) 

Lesley Logan 7:09  

Every man I meet I'm like, you need to read this book, you're gonna learn that you can breastfeed. And so there are no such thing as gender roles, in my opinion. Also like that there has men currently breastfeeding on the planet.

Michele Wispelwey 7:23  

There is, there was a wave of Homosapiens that they took turns where the woman would breastfeed or if she would go out to gather and hunt and he would nurse. So, it's amazing. And men, if you're listening, you can lactate stuff. We can, we can help you. 

Lesley Logan 7:39  

We can help you. And also apparently, if you got rid of your balls, you could live a longer life. Just another. 

Michele Wispelwey 7:45  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 7:47  

The first chapter had me like going, oh my gosh, I was like Brad, you have to, every person we meet, like, you must read it. Every pregnant woman I mean, like, hold on, you need to understand there's a first and very important thing is the first few chapters go listen.

Michele Wispelwey 8:01  

It was amazing. It's a great book. I actually bought it for my co-founder Kristin and I sent it to her last week and she's super excited to read it. We were just talking about the nipple thing today. 

Lesley Logan 8:09  

Yeah, it's so it's so fascinating. If if Cat Bohannon is listening, I would love to have you on the pod. Anyways, I but I loved it because she's doing this like thorough look. And as you mentioned, like you got into this medicine thinking like you could collaborate, and it's just not what happens. Those of you who live in other countries, maybe it's different for you. But if you're currently living in like a system that is like the U.S. it is non-collaborative, you are going to different silo doctors and you're trying to figure out the wrong with you and everyone is kind of trying to give you a pill to cover up symptoms. It is how I feel about it. And I'm not against medicine. I'm not against science, guys, I'm not, so don't put me in that category. But I get really frustrated because I had a massive health issue for 10 years I got exacerbated because no one would actually like work together like no one was actually understand me and like I said, I'm not sleeping very well anymore. And these things it was just terrible. What happened is I had definitely had some stomach issues and I stopped absorbing nutrition. And then I stopped going through sleep cycles, which means I stopped producing stomach acid, which means it's no longer absorbing nutrition and of course you're not sleeping. 

Michele Wispelwey 9:21  

Did you have H. Pylori? 

Lesley Logan 9:23  

No. We did have that. I had that for a little bit then I don't know how long ago that was. But I do remember that one. But yeah, I just like literally finally got someone to listen to me to do a full, full test. Just a full one. Of course this is where money, you have to have money to do this. So was a celebrity in the U.S. in LA., I heard what, who, he used to like gain weight to look like he had done like steroids but not take steroids and I was like who are you doing this with? And he told me about this guy, I was like, I'm gonna go to this guy and this guy looked at my blood and he goes hold on. You have no stomach acid, you're like, no, what is going on? I had no testosterone at that point. Yes, I had that. I mean like, just like I had a ton of (inaudible) there is a metal in my system, it was a whole mess. And I was like, this probably didn't start off this way. But it's gotten to this point because I could not get anyone to actually do an actual panel. And he's like, you don't have any vitamin D? Like you, you know, and I was like, I don't know how it's possible. I'm driving around in a jeep with the top off. I don't understand. So, you know, it took someone like that for me to get to someone who's probably similar to you, who helped me like more holistically and with (inaudible), but to look at the whole picture. So if people are feeling a little bit gaslit, or feeling like a little bit like they're going crazy, what should they be looking for in the medical system? Or how do they find someone like you? 

Michele Wispelwey 10:40  

Yeah, so everything you said is exactly what we do. So what makes us so different is that we take a full integrative approach, we actually take a longevity medicine approach, because a woman's body at a cellular level is all these interconnected systems, the gut talks to your hormone levels, your estrogen affects your cardiovascular system, your gut affects cognitive, your skin, how you absorb nutrients. And I'll tell you a story about me and that situation too. But you need to look for doctors that aren't just spot treating, that aren't treating you just on your symptoms. And that's the problem. And that's the problem with the US health system is that we treat on sick, we don't, we're reactive, we're not preventive. So you need to find a provider, a GYN that is going to, oh you're tired and fatigued, don't just be like oh, well, let's just do a CBC and a thyroid, let's see what else is going on. Because if your gut is going on, you have acid, you have dysbiosis, you're not going to sleep, you're not going to absorb nutrients, you can have like GERD, a lot of different things, you're, a drop in estrogen is going to affect your cholesterol level. So a lot of women end up going to the cardiologist because they're you know, their LDL is through the roof, or they have (inaudible) issues. And that's actually interconnected with your whole hormonal system. It's all a web, it's not this or that it's the whole complex picture together. And if your doctor doesn't do that, then you need to go because this is like, these are the patients that we see everyday that come to us. And like I've seen this doctor, because, you know, I, you know, I've been to my internist. And then she doesn't know what to do. I've been to my GYN and he said, oh, you just have to wait this out. I've been to my cardiologist because I thought I was having, you know, a heart attack because I had a stiff shoulder. But that's one of the menopause symptoms. So, and that's what we do. We test, we do a full comprehensive hormone (inaudible), we do your gut microbiome, your micronutrient level, and even your food allergy levels to see what type of inflammatory markers your body's reactive to with foods. Because if you're fixing your gut, you kind of need to fix what's causing your inflammation from your food first, before you go in and fix your gut. Because that's just gonna cause your gut to just inflame even more or just fire up or not absorb the nutrients and things like that.

Lesley Logan 13:00  

Yeah, I definitely, I definitely learned that with the stomach, like if you just start to like, take different things for the stomach. The way that the stomach microbiome works, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it's like what you're eating, you kind of start to crave more of, because that's what your microbiome is actually eating off of. And so if you're used to eating inflammatory foods, you've got a microbiome that's dealing with all of that, and you just go and put medicine on that if you can change the food intake, you get more organisms down there that can help with the situation. Is that right? 

Michele Wispelwey 13:28  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's definitely along the lines. And you definitely want you know, things like oregano oil, and a lot of probiotics, Akkermensia, we, I do a lot of things, things like that. But the thing is, and that's the thing with like, personalized medicine is what we are at FemGevity's, I can say, oh, yeah, you should take that. But you shouldn't be taking anything until you have testing to see what your body needs, right? So I could be like, take this oregano oil and take this probiotic and take Akkermensia. Yeah. But if, your your body may not need it, right, you know, you go to your internist and they'll say, take your vitamin D and a multivitamin and omega, well, how do you know what I should be taking? You know, like, you don't know what I'm missing. 

Lesley Logan 14:13  

Right. And also, if your stomach isn't absorbing nutrition, is it getting (inaudible)?

Michele Wispelwey 14:20  

Flushing it out. You know what's interesting, I was at the pediatrician with my daughter yesterday, she had (inaudible) and she had this like this whatever a gland or not, whatever it is, we're following it and I because I have access to this testing. So my daughter's like, you know, very tired and kind of cranky and stuff like that. So I did a full micronutrient panel on her and she's gonna be a lab bench. Her CoQ10 is low, her vitamin C is low, her zinc is low, and her omega is low. And I'm like, this is why my child is cranky and she's tired and her stomach hurts. But and I just tested the pediatrician yesterday. I said, oh, what do you think we, she's really tired. What do you think we should do? What do you think? She's like well, her CBC and thyroid were fine last year. And she's, she's hormonal, so she's okay. And I'm like, that's exactly why you need a full integrative doctor because I'm listening to her, my child is gonna still continue on this this endless route of feeling worse. 

Lesley Logan 15:22  

Yeah. Also a year ago, my dentist won't let me go more than a year without checking my teeth with an X-ray. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, is this really necessary? Like, well, it's been a year, and I'm like, okay, like, it's my teeth. Like your blood tests, especially on a young child. I think it's amazing that you, I mean good for you. and also like your daughter, so lucky. But it's so interesting, because now it makes me think like, a lot of our people who are listening are parents and like, your child might be cranky, not because they haven't slept enough, but maybe like something is off.

Michele Wispelwey 15:54  

It's vitamin and she, actually I, then I also did a one step further, I did a gut microbiome and tested her poop. And she had H. Pylori. And that's why her stomach was hurting. So that's why it's like you can't, you know, I have my own theories on uncertain things. But that's why I always need to take it that way, five steps further.

Lesley Logan 16:15  

When I lived in LA, it felt like so accessible to find someone like you. And now I live in Las Vegas, and I'm sure it exists. I haven't looked because luckily, I can just go to L.A. and see my person but like, but like, but also, can people access someone like you and live in a different part of the country? Like is what you do accessible in a mail order sort of thing? Like, yeah.

Michele Wispelwey 16:42  

Yeah. Which is great. And I should have mentioned that we are virtual healthcare. Totally telemedicine, convenience of your home. And that's how we're able to keep the costs down. And because we're not a brick-and-mortar, we don't have all this crazy overhead. And we're able to offer this type of concierge care and precision medicine to women all over the country. 

Lesley Logan 17:02  

That's so cool. That is, okay, so that's amazing. So you can telemedicine, people all over the country can access you. And so let's say they do have someone that they trust, or they they want to test their own doctors, like they're not, they're not ready for telemedicine are they testing the doctors to just because I had a doctor that I totally tested. And I got really mad at her. And then I got an email or letter that said she's out of network now, I'm like, thanks, I didn't want to see her anyways. She, I was like, I want to get these things tested on my hormones. And she said, oh, you can't test those they change all day long. And I was (inaudible) and I was like, I'm, these test exists for a reason means you can and if you know how to read them based on where I'm at my cycle, and I do know where I am my cycle, you should know. And she was like, well, I could order it. But it's it's not gonna say anything. And I was like, it's not your money. And I don't want you to have the results. So no, but like, what should people be asking their doctors to see if the doctor they have is someone that they can trust or work with? Who is going to do the whole thing?

Michele Wispelwey 18:06  

Yeah, so a couple things, I would get all your hormones, progesterone, estrogen, make sure they're looking at your cortisol, your insulin levels, make sure they're looking at your lipids, make sure you look into your DHEA ,your HMH because you want to actually check your ovarian aging levels. If they have access to it, I would order a lot of like heavy metals. See the magnesium, mercury, you do a lot of amino acids and antioxidant testing. Glutathione testing is really good. We're big advocates of testing for that. If gut microbiome testing and make sure they're doing H. Pylori, if you really have to test from the stool, doing bloods is just, for H. Pylori purposes, it's just not because it lives in your intestinal tract and stuff like that. Food allergy testing, but just there's specific labs that do PCR DNA sequencing, too. So you also have to ask them, like, what labs are you using? What's the methodology and I know that's like, not something everyone wants to go into. But at the very least, have them do a very full comprehensive hormone asset, your thyroid your FSH, your LH, prolactin, estradiol, do it all.

Lesley Logan 19:16  

Wow. Okay, so everyone, don't worry, the show is transcribed, it's on the blog, and you can copy and paste. 

Michele Wispelwey 19:23  

We have a lot of information on our website and blogs. My co-founder does a ton of like, videos where she talks about things a lot hormonal-wise because she does a lot of our medical protocols. And you know, yeah, so that you could find that all there not to be wary but and also women in their 30s, you should be getting your levels tested because you want a baseline, you want to know what you are now. So when you're like in your 40s and your levels are this you could compare them to what they were because even if you're like feeling am I feeling good, am I feeling not? You know you're like able to guide yourself very closely and almost like preventing yourself from symptoms and being able to live symptom-free before it hits.

Lesley Logan 20:07  

Yeah. And I actually want to chat about that because like one of my girlfriends, you know, she, she's going through the changes. Oh my God, I was going to say, no, so she's you know, she's 10 years older than me and she, you know, was assuming she is premenopausal and was just all these different things were happening. And she was also slowly over time and I was like, I think you might want to just talk with your doctor about like, really, truly like looking into why are you so tired all the time? Why are you having these aches and pains? Why is your hip bothering you? Like you have this? It's, you're, it's not because you're 50. It's not just because you're 50. Right? Like, if you're gonna live to 80, this is early, it's too early to go through all these pain points. So she finally, like really sought something out, like went for it. And then they gave her some hormones because her hormones were off. And she's like, holy moly, Lesley. I was so, like, I feel like I am unstoppable. And I was like, for years, she's been slowly over time managing it, in air quotes, managing it. And I think that we are trained from, I don't know, just society that like, it's, we'll just manage it, we'll just figure it out. We'll just do it later. And like, it's actually okay to demand that you feel really good all the time, especially if you're doing all the things if you're moving your body, if you're trying to sleep, if you're, if you're like trying to drink the clean water, like all the things like you should ideally feel good.

Michele Wispelwey 21:34  

Yeah, it's been very just highly accepted and overrated, that you just have to kind of deal with it. And it's a part of aging, and you're supposed to be tired, or you're supposed to have an ache or pain. That is not supposed to be how you're supposed to feel. I'm 43 and I feel better now than when I felt in my 30s. And, you know, I actually have more energy, because you're just more aware of how you're supposed to take care of yourself. So, you know, imagine if, like, younger women start understanding how they're supposed to feel and start feeling even more energetic in their 30s. And as you build up and progress, you're just gonna keep feeling better. And, you know, be able to get up from the floor when you're 75 and play with your grandkids.

Lesley Logan 22:18  

Yeah, and have the energy too, it's not just the strength too, but also all of the things that go with it. Okay, you mentioned something that like piqued my interest. You said someone had a shoulder issue and they were there so and it was perimenopausal, not a heart attack, or whatever. Are there any other symptoms like that that we should be aware of that like we may be perimenopausal but we might think are something else because I or maybe I've just opened up a can of worms because I feel like a like perimenopause. Unfortunately, menopause has not been studied nearly enough. I got really pissed off, did you hear this? There was a daily episode, probably six months ago, where this one scientist was trying to get research money for menopause. And the way he was able to get actual funding from people for his testing that he wanted to do was just to turn the title to like, well, if women stopped turning into men, then their husbands would want them longer. So if we can keep them women longer, and that's how he got the funding, and I was so irritated that that's how money, I was like, (inaudible) you should have been studying this already. So disgusting. So infuriating. He got money for it. And so yay. But also like, unfortunately, we haven't studied this long enough. And so we don't know enough everything I've ever been told that you just have hot flashes, and that you gain weight. But like you just mentioned a (inaudible) I've never heard of before. So like, what are some of those things that might people might be putting off that could actually have to do with like a hormone change happening?

Michele Wispelwey 23:49  

Yeah, so stiff shoulder like frozen shoulder, itchy ears, a ringing in the ear. Some women become like, like kind of like vertigo, off balanced. There's, I mean, there's 100 plus symptoms (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 24:03  

That's crazy. Just the ones you listed are like I was like, oh, I trip a lot.

Michele Wispelwey 24:09  

Yeah. You know, you're and you're like, do I have a brain tumors? You know, like there's some very serious symptoms. You know, women have like weird just like pains that you know, you start pulling things easier just because you have a higher likelihood for bone fractures and osteoporosis. So there's much easier breakage and there's a lot of a lot of women end up like having like a slipped disc or like, you know, like a joint pain or pull like a something in their shoulder. And you hear if you list start paying attention and listening like more women in the 40s 50s and 60s will be like, oh, I went to the chiropractor or the acupuncture, my back's acting up again and you ask them well, what did you do through perimenopause, especially if it's a woman who was in her 60s, I bet you she didn't do anything when she was going through perimenopause and menopause, and now it's catching up to her big time.

Lesley Logan 25:03  

Oh, okay, so this is interesting, okay, so (inaudible). 

Michele Wispelwey 25:05  

Especially (inaudible) and testosterone is like maintaining your levels of testosterone is huge for women, your body composition is made up of much more testosterone than it is of any other hormone. We just have a smaller formula of it in our body, formula, composition of it. 

Lesley Logan 25:23  

Yeah, that's what, that's the one that like, I'm really, really honest with everyone listening, I have been trying for years to maintain that level. I mean, I lift the heavy weights, I'm now, I'd take a CJC, which is not really for testosterone, but like, it's supposed to help me just feel good. But like, I cannot keep that level up to a number that is anything better than below average. And I'm like, do I just need to actually take testosterone and I'm like, Oh, my God, my grandmother had a beard. So like, I haven't gone down that rabbit hole. (inaudible)

Michele Wispelwey 25:53  

I mean, unless you're like rubbing it on your, on your, on your (inaudible) and you want a beard, then, you now, hell go for it, whatever, it's 2024. But, you know, you know, I, listen, I'm not the medical provider and the clinician, but there's could be a lot of things for you. Like, who knows what your progesterone level is? I don't know if you're on a Mirena IUD that's causing progestin, and you're getting over an estrogen dominance and and stripping your testosterone so there's like a lot of different things. I think you're probably younger than me. So these are all these factors that are like fully integrated and like a lot of physicians don't understand it, and they don't think about it so if you can't maintain your testosterone levels, there's there's a reason why it just does not because just because like you know you yeah, so just like think about those things they're interesting. 

Lesley Logan 26:40  

I also just I want to just highlight something you're you've done you guys often listen to this every time something has come up she has mentioned that there's more than like, it's not just like this or this. Like there's this and then also there's a few other things that this could be going on. And I think that's so important. You're, anytime we're with a medical provider, they, there needs to be a holistic look at things because otherwise they're putting a bandaid on something or they can make something worse because it's totally off like they could be training you for a heart attack. And (inaudible) did you (inaudible) did you read Halle Berry's doctor mistook her perimenopause for like gonorrhea like a bad case of gonorrhea? (inaudible)

Michele Wispelwey 27:25  

Imagine, I mean, the poor woman, she probably has such vaginal dryness and like, you know, God only knows what's cool because there's a lot of stuff goes on down there. You know, you lose your atrophy and your collagen in there and it starts thinning out and then you know why? You know why she probably thought that? Because she probably had persistent UTIs because women when they're they start losing their testosterone, they got a lot of vaginal dryness and a lot of reoccurring. UTIs. So he she probably he'd probably get them tested for STDs. And if only he would have given her some bioidentical estrogen, your vagina would have felt a lot better. And the poor thing wouldn't have been accused of gonorrhea. I'm from like, the the lab world, right? So like, doctor's order, you know, urine cultures constantly. Any woman's like, you know, oh, I have a pain or have an itch or something. They're like, oh, do you have a UTI? Or is it (inaudible)? You know, they don't think that like, oh, maybe you have some hormonal thing going on. They don't even test your hormones. Like at your annuals, they don't look at anything. It's not even a part of like the health insurance. You have to do. It's preventative codes. The only thing is preventative is a PAP, not even HPV. That's like considered diagnostics. It's like, it's absurd.

Lesley Logan 28:37  

(Inaudible) I know, I am too. I'm really excited that this conversation like so okay, because this will just like horrify you. So when I had been (inaudible) on birth control in high school, I went on the patch because I was like, yeah, I'll put this on because I don't have to do a pill at the same time every day. (Inaudible) a badge, it was like you can put it on your arm or on your hip or whatever. Of course, you guys, you guys. I can't wear a BandAid, okay, not longer than a day, I just switched the BandAid out. So of course, like, every time I took this patch off, I had like a red square, super sexy, like everybody wants to be near that. And so I gotta keep moving the patch around. Anyways, I guess like it was but I was like, no, I don't want to be on the pill because I'm gonna have to remember to take anything and we're supposed like low hormone, the whole thing like you won't get a blood clot because it's like, it's like, easy the way that all the things I was told, right? So fast forward two years and I'm in a car accident. I'm on bed rest for a week. I get off bedrest and my leg is super swollen and it's getting hot. And I am it's I'm at work and it's now throbbing. And so I go to an urgent care and I was like, I think I have a blood clot. And he's like, no one was like, I can't sleep because I'm in so much pain. And I watched an infomercial on a blood clot. I think I have one. I have all the symptoms and the guy's like you're too young for blood clot. Kid you're not too young for blood clots, ice and elevate your leg. You were in a car accident a week ago. It's swollen from that. I was like this person doesn't, is not listening to me. And the worst thing I can do is elevate this leg. So I went to work because I had to go back and I, you know, unfortunately, had to pay my own bills. So go to work and it's now getting bigger you guys, like my leg was like twice the size (inaudible). It was I felt maybe it wasn't that big, but it felt that big. So I then went to the emergency room. And I walk in, and I'm like, well limping in because I can barely walk my like, and the nurse goes, oh my god, I think you have a blood clot. And I was like, thank you. I think so too. So sure enough I have a blood clot, (inaudible) and the hospital, I was pulled off of birth control, not by my gynecologist from then, but from a different one who looked at my history and just like, oh, she's like, I think you might be susceptible to clotting based on your family's history. You should not be on these hormones. And so I got on the copper IUD, which of course made my periods the worst thing in the world forever, for fucking ever. So, but anyways, I don't have children. And at the time, I was single. So here we are. So have this copper IUD. And aside from the bad periods, no problems whatsoever, it was pretty easy. Everything was like on time, go to get it removed. And I'd moved. And no one could find it. And they saw I'm at Planned Parenthood, they can't find it. They're like, I'm like, well, it's in there. I'm telling you right now it's there, I know, it's there. I can feel it's there. Right? So you got to like so sure enough, I got my insurance to cover a visit with a gynecologist. And she finds it with what an ultrasound a sonogram, whichever the one is. And it's like in the, I guess it's like in the uterus, and it was like off to the side and turned around. So this, this, the strings were facing the wrong way. So they had to go in with a camera. And this is, will piss you off, even though she could find it that day, my insurance would not let her remove it that day. I had to come back for another visit, to have it removed. And I was and she was like I would do it. But I'm like, can't you just like say I came back another day. Like, I'll just, I'll sign I swear. So anyways, I had that removed, it's now been out for almost two years, best thing I ever did is like have nothing. It's like I'm I'm so cyclical, it's I'm on time, all the time. It's amazing. But it's just the comedy of errors. Like what I would, it's a lot. So you know, I share all that with you. Because like, ladies, if you're listening, it's you're not the only one, even if you are advocating for yourself. And even if you're trying to educate yourself, it can be really difficult to navigate the medical system to get help for yourself. 

Michele Wispelwey 32:41  

It really is, especially the payer system. And it's more difficult now, because a lot of independent physicians are being bought by hospital systems and peer networks because they can't afford to stay in business because, you know, the inflation, right, it's the cost to operate. But the reimbursements are going down. And there's only so many, you know, insurances that you can go to network with. So you're just being it just intertwined or being more caught up in the system. And that's why, you know, we're so adamant on, you know, doing what we do, and so passionate about it, because, you know, being in the lab industry, and Kristin had her own practice for many, many, many years. We know what the payer system is and prevents from women living longer, healthier lives, it just doesn't allow it. So there needs to be companies like FemGevity and, and others to be able to provide these opportunities to live longer and healthier and vibrant and build like an ecosystem and community support where women could be like, vulnerable and talk to each other about these things. Because it's embarrassing, you know, not everyone like where's everything on their sleeve? You know, so. 

Lesley Logan 33:48  

Yeah, I have some girl friends who are like, they're like, I know, I talked about perimenopause all the time, like you should. I don't know anything about it. No one in my life talked about it. So they talked about it after it's over. So I would like I think it's important that we hear these things. I want to go into something so before because like, you've given us so much, but I feel like you are providing something to be unique and to be this different. And to get into the world. You're trying to get through all around all the different obstacles, and there's just all these different things that would probably keep FemGevity from working. How do you have that kind of resilience? How do you stay in line with your purpose? Like, what is it that you practice every day? Because it's, it can't be easy to have this vision and this idea and know what you can do to change women's lives and also know how hard it is for them to get to you.

Michele Wispelwey 34:29  

Yeah, so, you know, I think the biggest part of me is, you know, I've been through a lot and I'm not afraid of failure and you can't take risks and you can't grow as a person if you're afraid to fail. And, and that's, you know, failure really brings success and it brings it brings a system and you know a person who has been like kind of knocked out of phase his resilience is really like the strongest factor that contributes to a survive level of a system and possibility to really reach your full potential. And I think what's helped me is to really live by like a system right and because it's like a structure and life is a bunch of like interconnected systems like we say with FemGevity right with finding healthcare and, and once you see that it's when harmony and energy truly evolve, and you get closer to your goals. And you really get to this like perpetual state where you get to this like paradox world of having deeper clarity of what you want and to achieve. And I just feel that you know, it, the purpose of it is to like, live with high energy, effortless existence, because at the end, end of the day, you have limited amount of capacity. And it drains, you know, drains you because it's like decision-making, stress, what you're eating, how you're sleeping, and having like an optimized system on how you go about life, the more you're going to get out of it. And there's going to be like, there's going to be dysfunction in life in general. And, like believing that, you know, just because you have dysfunction means it's not possible to be happy. And it just helps you to drive to like more essentialism and making it your own ecosystem. And like a better quality of life. 

Lesley Logan 36:24  

Yeah, before we hit record you were talking about effortless existence, I will say like life can be so hard. And then as we've talked about all the different things that we could control with our health. If everything was imbalanced, I think it'd be so much easier to show up as an effort in effortless existence. I mean, I feel like if you have all these different hormones, but all your you know, happy hormones that are like actually leveled out, like, you probably it'd be probably be easier to show up and, and be in the world.

Michele Wispelwey 36:51  

Yeah, it's, you know, it's effortless. It's easier to deal with, like the obstacles because you get out of bed and you're hit with your kids or your work and an email and, and just like constant things that can really just like, just set you over the edge over the cliff, you know, where you want to, like, have a nervous breakdown. But if you're balancing your health, that's what's going to keep you on a straight, narrow road, where you're not going to be having huge spikes where it's going to make you want to drop down too far.

Lesley Logan 37:19  

Yeah, I can totally see how that works out. Because I do have a lot of people who are like, Lesley, I'm doing all the things, I've my dream schedule designed. And I'm like, I've got you know, I'm doing all the things for my business but like these things happen, and I just want to quit, I just want to give up and it's like, well, first of all, there's, as you mentioned, like, gotta get over, gotta get over the failure, can't be afraid of failure, you've got to do that. And I think especially when you're feeling exhausted and tired, you so a failure feels really hard. 

Michele Wispelwey 37:46  

It is, I mean, it really isn't granted, like, you know, running a startup, there's a lot of failures. And you're like, oh my gosh, do I suck at life? Or is it just a bad day? But I'm like, no, I'm going to use this as an opportunity to learn and not make that decision again, you know, and, and it's hard to get in that mindset, especially when you're like, yeah, having a bad day.

Lesley Logan 38:11  

Yeah. So okay, I do, I may think being okay with failure is what resilience really is. It's like, how did you get good at? How did you get okay with failure? Is it because you practice medicine and medicine is really a practice? Or is it like, were you raised that way? Like, because I feel like so many people, our listeners are super perfectionist, it means, no failure is ever allowed. So how did you get good at being okay with failure?

Michele Wispelwey 38:36  

I think I once I learned to have confidence in myself, and to trust my own decisions. And, and I think I also started to become more balanced with being intentional and trusting my instincts. And I think once I grew into that, and you know, throughout my, like professional career, it was, it was hard, you had to, you know, grinding it out. It was a very male-dominated industry. And I second-guessed myself a lot. And a lot of those second guesses that I had, where I didn't listen to my gut, I made bad decisions. So I think I know that sounds ridiculous, but I got there from making my mistakes and getting back up. And I just kind of like no mercy I think is also like the way my my dad brought me up. He was very tough. He was, you know, like, if you was in the military and stuff like that. So I think it's the way I grew up and just grown up with like divorced parents and things like that. You're just mentally tough, you know, biking blood.

Lesley Logan 39:45  

But I think that like thanks for sharing that because I do think that so many people can see maybe they grew up with divorced parents like you or they had all the tough parents or all these things and they don't realize that they have this like superpower of resilience that they can be taking with them into things like you know.

Michele Wispelwey 40:00  

You know what, that's what it is. You have to find your superpower. And my superpower is resilience and to work under fire. And if you embrace your superpower, and your superpower can be like lying compulsively, who cares? That's your superpower and own it but find to use it in a good way not to like, you know, hurt people. But you know, like Superman. 

Lesley Logan 40:26  

Yeah. Okay. I love that. Michelle, this has been so good, you are amazing. We're to take a brief break and we can find out where people can find you, work with you in FemGevity. 

All right, Michele, where can people find you and work with you?

Michele Wispelwey 40:40  

They could find us on femgevityhealth.com our social handle is @femgevity. We are on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, and LinkedIn. And we have live text and chat on our website, too, if ladies have any questions.

Lesley Logan 40:59  

So good. Okay, you guys. Go check it out. I'm, I'm going to, I'm gonna get down. We're gonna figure out this testosterone thing. 

Michele Wispelwey 41:08  

We're gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out for you.

Lesley Logan 41:10  

This is the year, this is the year I'm doing it. Okay (inaudible), but could you, could you, can you, can you understand why, why I've delayed it? Right? So long. I'm like, oh, I don't know, my grandmother had like a beard.

Michele Wispelwey 41:23  

We won't give you a beard. We'll just give you chest hair.

Lesley Logan 41:28  

Oh, my God. My grandmother was up there going are you, have you lost your mind? Anyways, okay, so you've given us so much already bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us?

Michele Wispelwey 41:44  

Okay, you have three options in mind, you need to either accept it, change it, or leave it. And you need to pick your path. And whatever that situation may be, whether it's a fight with a partner, how you feel about your body. If you're having health issues, you have those three distinct options in life. And be very clear which one you choose, accept it, change it, or leave it? I think you change it.

Lesley Logan 42:14  

Yeah, oh, I love these because that can be everything that's coming up. And also, you can also say, I'm gonna leave it on until this date, and then I'm gonna change it.

Michele Wispelwey 42:25  

Yeah, those are like your, your rocks, you know, where we actually have company rocks where we set what, each quarter in the beginning of the quarter, we set our goals, personal and professional. And then we go back three, four months later and go and reevaluate them. So you can you can leave it now and change it in three months. But don't ever accept it. Like, your health and what doctors are telling you. Because there's always a way maybe no for now, but not no for later.

Lesley Logan 42:58  

Yeah. I love that. I love that. No accepting it when it comes to your health you guys. You guys can now reach out to Michelle and FemGevity because what you created for women is so cool. The fact that it can be telemedicine. I'm just so I'm so excited for everyone listening. All right, y'all. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag Michele, make sure you tag the Be It Pod, share this, okay, so here's my action plan for you. The only way women actually can get the help that they want is if they know what they need to ask for. Okay, so if doctors were hearing questions from their patients who actually were like I did the research here are the tests I want, the only way we can get them to change, or at least for you to know that that's not the doctor you need for it. We can I think that women are so powerful that if we rose up together and demanded that professionals take care of us holistically, it's the only way it's gonna change things until then, you can go see Michele. But so share this with your, with a friend who needs to hear it because you're not crazy. There's nothing. It's not, nothing wrong with you. They just haven't figured it out yet. And it's because you (inaudible) holistic look at it. So thank you all so much, Michelle, thank you so much for what you've done here. 

Michele Wispelwey 44:05  

Thank you. It's been so amazing. 

Lesley Logan 44:06  

Yeah, so awesome. All right, loves, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

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Turn your everyday tasks into triumphs in this latest episode! From converting ordinary task lists into extraordinary achievements, to reeling in clients with killer sales strategies. Host Lesley Logan reminds us that celebrating wins is crucial—whether it’s a well-deserved break or a dietary victory dance. Don’t miss out on learning about food allergens, genius sales strategy that works, and how to turn your endless to-do list into a thing of the past!

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Transforming lengthy to-do lists into ta-da lists.
• The results of implementing Phil Jones’ sales strategies.
• The importance of resetting and taking some time off.
• Identifying food sensitivities and healing your gut.
• The value of seeking other people’s help. 

Episode References/Links:

• Profitable Pilates Agency
• Exactly How to Sell by Phil Jones
• Lesley’s Free Consultation Promo with FemGevity
• The 5 Second Rule by Mel Robbins

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hey, Be It babe. Happy Friday, Happy FYF, happy day to celebrate some wins. Thank you for being here. Thank you for letting us give you some inspiration of what some wins are. And I'm hoping that these are helpful for you to see all the different things that can become a win in your day. Right? So if you're new to the Be It Pod, welcome. We do interviews on Tuesday, recaps on Thursday, answer your question on Thursday and also on Friday we celebrate your wins you send them in we read yours we read one of mine and then we have a little mantra at the end. 

Lesley Logan 1:13  

So this one is from Djamila. She's an Agency member and she says, "I haven't posted in a while so here are a few things I've accomplished and ticked off my endless tada not to-do list." Ready for this guys? Here we go. Set prices for our Pilates classes high because I'm worth it. Set up Acuity and have first client booked with stripe payment working, too. Ordered mirror for the studio. Taught my first two (inaudible) teenagers, they are 15. Email the women's health clinic to present my services and offered a partnership. Becoming known donated 30 coupons for winners at upcoming local (inaudible) event. Got five people to sign up for the menopause and nutrition workshop I'm hosting. I'm totally into researching this topic of personal interest at the moment. Let myself cry and have a do-nothing-and-eat-carbs day because everything is so overwhelming. Everything is f* overwhelming. Stayed on top of my German class and homework. Planted some kale spinach in the garden. Got three weightlifting sessions in this week. Organized my daughter's birthday party. Wrote a script for videos I'll be filming in a week. Briefly marketed agency for an offer. Converted four clients who bought a discounted membership at via an online campaign to buy annual memberships. Listened to Mel Robbin's book, The Five Second Rule and I'm using it. I wrote to an old friend who's a lawyer and she's helping me convert my T and C and waiver, etcetera, into Swiss law. Djamila, thank you for like literally like putting all of these down on paper. I think so many of us wait to celebrate our wins until they're all at once. And then we're like, oh, should I still have all of them? It's like yeah, you should and I really do love you called it tada list. And it is an endless tada list. And so, same, I think we all need tada lists everywhere we go. So Djamila, thank you so much. You're doing incredible work. I know it's a lot. You're doing all on your own and you have recently moved and it's just a lot so you're kicking ass. I love it. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

I have one more from another Agency member, by the way, Agency is our coaching company we have an agency on demand so you can get office hours with us and on-demand stuff and so these are these wins coming from a lot of these members. Christine Eschen, oh my God it's not even FYF yet but I have to share. Had a newbie gone for two months. I just used a Phil Jones what-to-say format in a text. She responded a few minutes and bought a 10-pack and tipped me $160 and committed to two times a week. Abundance. Thank you Agency, LL, and Brad, this is for the Be It Pod. Yes, it is. Oh my God, Christine, way to go. I love, you guys, if you don't know what she meant by Phil Jones, there is a book about like selling from Phil Jones and a lot of our Agency members have been using it to help them with how to follow up with clients, how to check back in. And so way to go, Christine, for doing that. You are amazing. 

Lesley Logan 3:58  

All right, a win of mine. We took another weekend off. You guys, we didn't need to, we could have, because we're trying to stay home, and we did. But like we really did take this long holiday weekend off because the holiday was in the middle of the week. And we spent some time with some friends. And then the two of us just like staycationed a bit, it was just really, really important that we did that. And I think, like, if you don't realize it, taking a weekend off and doing just stuff like life is a win, then you really have to reset and reframe what's going on in your life because being an adult is a lot of work. And it is easy to just do one more thing on the email or just check one more thing or get down on yourself or not do anything at all, you know, it is a win. It is a win to get bored. It is a win to take time for yourself. Also, another win is that I'm about three to four weeks in this like a pseudo elimination process. So I'm not doing a full elimination diet because that's not necessary. But as you know, I'm working with a company called FemGevity and I do hope that you use my free consult call if you if what I'm doing with them interests you. And they told me some of the stuff I'm sensitive to and I've been wondering why I'm so bloated all the time. And I start off the day not. And so I've obviously it's something that's going on my gut. And I have information about that coming up, I'll share with you later. But at any rate, I was having oat milk every day, should not be having that. There's different fruits that I'm very sensitive to. There is different (inaudible), it doesn't mean that I can't ever have them because these are not true, true allergies, but there's sensitivities and I need to go off of them for six to eight weeks and then try to introduce them. And it is just very interesting to find new ways to have your coffee. So I have been asking for help, which is another win. So several wins for this week. And I'm really proud of myself. And by the way, asking for help is a win. So pat yourself on the back because you're an overachiever if you're listening to this podcast, I know you. Hi. Hello, I see you. Anyways, you guys, thank you so much. Let me give you a mantra for your weekend or today because you don't have to remember all three days it's a lot to ask. So here it is. Letting go create space for opportunities to come. Letting go create space for opportunities to come. Letting go create space for opportunities to come. What can you let go have to create some space? Have an amazing day and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:19  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 6:19  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 7:00  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:06  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 7:10  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:17  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:21  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell reflect on a recent conversation with Lauren Zoeller, an expert practitioner in somatic therapy and founder of The Aligned Love Experience™. Lauren underscores the transformative power of qualified somatic practitioners in accelerating healing and breaking free from destructive patterns. Listeners will delve into insights from Lauren's interview, including how to recognize trauma responses and implement practical steps for effective somatic self-assessment. 

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Explanation of somatics as the language of the nervous system. 
• How somatics differs from traditional talk therapy and its approach.
• The unhealthy cycle of codependency in therapy and coaching. 
• How to do a somatic check-ins to monitor your body’s responses. 
• Recognize trauma as urgency and learn to slow down and be present.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Summer Tour
• Balanced Body and Contrology
• Elevate Mentorship Program
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
• 40 Days of Pilates for $40
• Balanced Body and Contrology
• Lauren Zoeller Website
• Lauren Zoeller on Instagram
• Aligned Love Podcast
• Aligned Love Collective Experience
• Episode 183 with Dr. Kelly Bender
• Episode 376 with Jenny Schatzle
• Episode 131 with Lauren Zoeller
• Episode 132 Lauren Zoeller Recap
• Episode 22 The Aligned Love

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

I think what I like about these, it's not about having an answer. It's about just getting into your body and just notice how you're feeling and then like taking a moment to your present because that is where we can actually make true be it till you see it moments in our life is when we're not trying to respond from trauma. 

Lesley Logan 0:17  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:59  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the relieving convo I have with Lauren Zoeller in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you should listen to it. You should listen to this one or you listen to this one and that one and then listen to the one I was on hers. Because Brad and I are both on hers. So you can just hear Lauren and Brad and my voices in your ear all day today. 

Brad Crowell 1:18  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 1:19  

And you should. Lauren was first on the pod in Episode 131 and 132. Holy moly. That's like 160 episodes later. Well. 

Brad Crowell 1:30  

It's been a minute. 

Lesley Logan 1:31  

It's been a minute. Okay, so we'll get into Lauren and her awesomeness. And my ladies who want to learn more about your relationships and like how you feel the way you feel, that's what we're talking about. So stick around. But today is July 4th 2024 and it's the fourth of July. Thank you, Brad. Thank you for writing it out one way. 

Brad Crowell 1:47  

July 4th is the fourth of July. 

Lesley Logan 1:50  

It's totally only applicable to Americans. And, you know, sometimes it feels like a not great holiday anymore. But don't worry, we're positive around here. We're really excited. It's one of the biggest national holidays. Americans come together on July 4 to celebrate the nation's birthday and Independence Day. On this day, most Americans enjoy grills in their backyards, at beaches, or in parks. Some partake in parades or marches and enjoy the fireworks that are often launched at dusk. We kick off the festivities with details, trivia, and anything else you need to know about Independence Day. Happy Fourth! This website that we get all the descriptions of the holidays, this is the most bland description of what happens on the fourth. If you live in our neighborhood, everyone does their own firework situation. It is chaos. And our dogs are really chill. Our dogs do not mind. So we're at the pool today. Just so you know. We are at the pool with some of our podcasting friends actually. So some of the people who've been on the show Neda, Michael, couple others are all there. So we're just you know, hanging out on the fourth. 

Brad Crowell 2:49  

Take it a holiday.

Lesley Logan 2:50  

And but other things are coming up that you need to know about is Summer Tour is one month away, we kick it off on August 4th. And most of the cities, many of the cities, workouts are sold out, the workshops are getting closed. So you want to go to opc.me/tour 

Brad Crowell 3:04  

opc.me/tour 

Lesley Logan 3:05  

To snag your spot. And also spots, if you want to come to two cities, some people are doing that, I can't wait to see them. It's called the groupies. It's the groupie rule. And also, our tour is powered by Balanced Body, which means we'll be bringing our Contrology Reformer, you could try that out. You could win a gift certificate to Balanced Body and Contrology. And by the way, you can still use my affiliate link when you use that gift certificate so, just saying, you might want to win that. The eLevate applications are going to open up in literally four days. And so if you're listening to this in real time to get your booty over to that waitlist, if you're wanting to find out more information, it's lesleylogan.co/elevate. And I spell my name L-E-S-L-E-Y because that's what you actually spell Lesley. And to the Leslies with they I out there, you're fine too (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 3:48  

Yeah, eLevate as a nine month long mentorship program for Pilates teachers who want to really dig in more classically, classical Pilates and connect all the dots across all the different pieces of equipments, stop class planning, all the things. 

Lesley Logan 4:04  

Yeah, it's really amazing. Our fourth round has actually just finished their fourth out of five weekend. And it's just so cool to see how much they have changed in their teaching in their practice and how their understanding exercises. It's just really beautiful to see their growth. So yeah, we'll have a week for you to apply. And we are only taking 12 people in a group so you know, get on the waitlist and be quick on the application. Cambodia Retreat, October is super sold out. But February has spots in it and there's some amazing women already signed up. They're already getting excited. We have some great people I just can't even wait for that February one as well. So that's crowsnestretreats.com. 

Brad Crowell 4:45  

Yeah, and lastly we got OPC. We want you to try out OPC we got a special offer just for you. This is the best offer that you're gonna get anywhere, 40 days for $40. It's a dollar a day y'all go to opc.me/40, opc.me/40.

Lesley Logan 5:06  

And you can keep coming into our community, you get to meet our crew, you get to, and in 40 days you'll have (inaudible) two different monthly themes, you'll be able to try out more than like five weeks of weekly themes, you can get your feedback on your form, and you come to a live class. You get to experience a true OPC membership in those 40 days. It's a dollar a day, we just found out that that's cheaper than a lemon, just so you know, that's cheaper than if you bought a lemon for every day. It's cheaper than that.

Brad Crowell 5:31  

How about that? Before we actually get into Lauren, we had a question today from Jaravia from YouTube. Thanks for asking Jaravia. What is the most beneficial reformer for core strength development? Should I get a basic one, a Tower or a Cadillac? Take it away, Lesley. 

Lesley Logan 5:51  

So ideally, you don't buy a Reformer combined with anything in the most perfect sense of the world, you would have a Reformer, and you would have a Cadillac. And that would be like my dream for you. Okay, and it'd be a Contrology ideally, an 80 inch, just saying. Use our, use our discount link. But if you are looking for a combo equipment then I would do the Reformer Tower from Contrology. I do not like a reformer combined with a Cadillac. Okay, they are too high. So the Reformer is actually much higher off of the ground. So the little scarier, you cannot mount you cannot do a lot of the setups for the exercise the same way that you would, the bars are in the way so you got to do coordination and your legs are like opening up into bars. You, like you're constantly having to get your head through these bars. So I don't love that. So if you're going to do a combo, I would do a Tower Reformer combo, not a Cadillac Reformer combo. If you're asking like, should I get the tower or the Cadillac? I'm going to say Cadillac if you have the space because honestly, it's the best. But if you don't, or if price is a thing, then a wall unit is really amazing. Super, super great Contrology will have a wall unit out pretty soon. That's my vote for you.

Lesley Logan 5:58  

There you go. I love it. Well, if you have a question for us, you can ask it through DMs on Instagram or you can text us at 310-905-5534. Stick around we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 7:20  

Okay, now let's talk about Lauren Zoeller. Speaker, author, host of The Aligned Love podcast and Founder of The Aligned Love Experience™, Lauren is a somatic and relationship expert who emphasizes understanding the body’s responses to trauma. She advocates for recognizing these responses and encourages individuals to learn the language of their nervous system to break free from unhealthy patterns and find healthy relationships.

Lesley Logan 7:47  

Yeah, and she does relationships not just with love, but like at work with your work, with money, we have lots of relations in our life and how you treat one is how you treat a lot of them. So she kind of works with a lot of those things. I love a lot of the things that she said and we're gonna get into some other really, really good ones because you like those ones that I like too. To explain somatics, I think, is the best way to go into this podcast. It's like somatics is the language of the nervous system. And so it's like how your nervous system is sharing how it feels about things. And sometimes we can't articulate with how we're feeling we just don't feel right. And that's what's gonna be what somatics is, the language of your nervous system. And it's a language that a lot of us were never taught to speak, a lot of us were not taught to feel our feelings or like I was told like children should be seen not heard. So you'd be like sniffling, crying. It's like, hey, suck it up. But once you know the language of your nervous system, she said, You can shift the way you relate to anything in your life. And so she's worked with a lot of leaders, mostly women, and she was able to like really help them express their frustration. So it's just really cool to see how somatics can work because especially if you've done a lot of talk therapy, you've done a lot of like, you know, life coaching and like things haven't changed, and you're just in the same cycle. It sounds like what you need is somatics so you can actually understand your nervous system. What it's trying to tell you.

Brad Crowell 9:08  

Yeah, yeah. So the, the language of the nervous system, and I think it's good to understand that, when she's talking about it just sounded like oh, I don't know what it just sounds like therapy, right? But the thing that I liked, where she was talking about somatics is it's more than it's like the sum of it all is what it is, right? So there are different forms of therapy and somatics incorporates all different parts. So she wasn't knocking talk therapy. She said that's one piece of it, but it's only like 20% of it. You know and so there's more to it. And that's what I thought was really intriguing that there's a bigger (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 9:49  

And also, like, to truly do what she does, it's like eight years of like it's many, many years of training. This is not like you do this on a weekend, you guys, so like 

Brad Crowell 9:58  

I got certified.

Lesley Logan 9:59  

So be mindful when like, working or looking at people who are doing somatics because it's becoming a hot thing right now is like I do somatics. And it's like, you know, it's not just your breathwork person who did a weekend course, like, you really want to find someone who is truly aligned because when you are doing somatic work, their shift can be like, it's important. So, I really appreciate how much training and studying she constantly does and how much she's done it already.

Brad Crowell 10:25  

Yeah, Lauren, also has a team of coaches, and they're all certified. So, yep, that's pretty awesome. Well, she also dug into this idea of being stuck forever in the therapy or the coaching. And she said, it's actually unhealthy. She said that, there's got to be a point where we are at a place where we can manage it ourselves without still being in the program, or still having a coach or, you know, and I can't remember if it was you or her who mentioned, you know, imagine going to college and never been allowed to graduate, like that just, there's no logic to that the way like, you start it, you take it, you pass, and then you leave.

Lesley Logan 11:05  

You know, I heard that I heard it from a cult podcast that I listen to.

Brad Crowell 11:10  

That was you. 

Lesley Logan 11:12  

Because they were like, you, you get into a course program. And then they say, continue to have more and more courses that you need to buy to get closer and closer to God or the source or the leader or whatever it is, then like, you know, that's not healthy, that's a cult.

Brad Crowell 11:26  

Well, and she, she kind of laughed when she said it like this is probably bad for my business to say that there's a place where you should be able to move on, because, you know, but I think it's true, you know, and she started to talk about codependency and how people get stuck in the rut of the therapy, or the meetings, there's actually something called Codependents Anonymous, or, obviously, we've all heard Alcoholics Anonymous, or all these other things. Or maybe it is just the talk therapy, or maybe it's a codependency in relationships with someone that you're with. Right? And she started to talk about how, especially in the coaching world, we've kind of built into our programs the idea that people should stick around forever, right, stay with me forever. nd she said, we've been building really deep codependencies. I mean, we, if we're doing it that way, then we as coaches aren't necessarily doing our jobs. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah, I also, before we get into our Be It Action Items, I just want to say like we also did a whole talk about the like the responses which is like the fight–fight, flight, fright and fun. (Inaudible) Yes. and fun is something a lot of women end up doing. It's a very people-pleasing, like, let me fix this thing. And I, so I highly encourage you to go listen to that whole segment on the pod because the way she explains it is really amazing. And when you start to learn how a your response is, it really helps you again, learn the language of your nervous system. Oh, I'm fawning right now. It's a little like, hello.

Brad Crowell 13:04  

That was a new one for me. I knew about, obviously, we've all heard of fight or flight. Freeze makes sense and then fawn was new. And I think we talked about that a few weeks ago, actually on the pod. But yeah, awesome. Okay, stick around. 

Brad Crowell 13:18  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Lauren Zoeller? Well, we were talking about learning the language of the nervous system, or actually that somatics is the language of the nervous system. So how do we learn that language? And she had a very methodical approach to learning this language. And she said, set a timer, you're going to do a somatic check in. She said, like every three hours, do it for a week, right? And she said, what, what you're going to do is pull out a pen and paper, you're gonna document the sensations and emotions that you're feeling at the time that it goes off. Right, so open your phone's Notes app, write the sensations and emotions that are present in your body, and then document what you were doing when it went off. She said, avoid rationalizing, this is important. She specifically did not say if you do explain why you're feeling those emotions, or sensations, just that you are write them down, and then focus solely on documenting what sensations, what emotions were present and what you were doing at the moment. That's it. That's all. Right? And she said, what this does is after a week it allows you to understand, you know, where your nervous system is, on a moment-to-moment basis. So if you're, maybe you're commuting, right, or maybe you're working or maybe you're at lunch, or maybe you're with the family, or maybe you're cooking dinner or whatever, and if you're doing this on a consistent schedule. Throughout the week, you can start to see how come every time I'm at work, you know, sweating, I'm like freaking out or I'm like feeling, feeling it in my chest or whatever, you know, start to identify those things. And then you're going to be equipping yourself with a different type of language around, you know, and a different perspective around how you're doing what you're doing. And that will lead to why you're doing it that way. You know, she has some resources available, you know, to help dig into this a little bit more. So we'll be putting that in the show notes. What about you? What was your biggest takeaway?

Lesley Logan 13:38  

She brought up like, discuss, like trauma as an urgency, which is a fight and action response like, so if you are trying to have instant gratification or you're, you're wanting things to like, happen over, overnight success, it's actually can lead to further trauma. So I know I'm someone who like need, like, Lauren and I are very similar. We just went a week together. And like, we like to know the answer now. Like right now, like, let's just know that now it's almost, I feel better if we've like, made a decision, you know, which is instant gratification that can just be a trauma response. And, and so she said, the things that are meant to be savored in life and make your life robust, are the ones where you actually slow down. And so she said, or, like, were able to build a space, like build it from a space of true presence and being grounded. So if you are like trying to make decisions from an instant spot, like take action kind of a thing, it can actually be, it can actually

Brad Crowell 15:32  

She said it's a trauma response. 

Lesley Logan 15:41  

Yeah. Yeah. So it's your nervous system telling you like, I'm like, I'm activated right now. And so part of how you relate to things like let me just do this right now. But she's like really trying to get you to like, based on the other Be It Action, I'm like, take a moment. And just notice how you're feeling and not make and not make a reason, which is very hard for people to do. And we had Dr. Bender on. And she said, try not to reason with how you're feeling. Just notice how you're feeling because we're often wrong. So but what she then said is like, so when you're feeling an urgent need for immediate results, or instant gratification, recognize it's trauma response. And then in order to break the pattern, slow down and focus on being present, which is really hard to do. 

Brad Crowell 17:09  

It's hard. 

Lesley Logan 17:09  

It's really hard to do. So I just want to shout in Jenny Schatzle had a breathing exercise that we had in another Be It another Be It Action Item just a few weeks ago. Maybe it was a month ago at this point. Her breathing where we did see others just inhale exhale. That was it. That was it. That was her thing. So try that to get yourself present. So combine these two. And just, you know, I think what I like about this is that it's not about having an answer. It's about just getting into your body and just notice how you're feeling. And then like taking a moment to your present because that is where we can actually make true, be it till you see it moments in our life is when we're not trying to respond from trauma.

Brad Crowell 17:54  

Yeah, if you want to go back to that episode with Jenny, it's episode 376. 

Lesley Logan 17:59  

Yeah. So I mean, Lauren's right. If you haven't yet listened to her first episodes on the pod, I highly recommend going back to those 131 and 132. And then, if you want to hear about Brad and I, and our aligned love on her podcast, you can do that on The Aligned Love podcast. 

Brad Crowell 18:15  

Yeah, we'll put the link to her pod in the show notes. You can find it wherever pods are found, The Aligned Love. Well, anyway, it was super fun to have Lauren join us first, in person in Vegas, but also in-person in Nashville (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 18:31  

We spent more days with her in a week than we have seen her ever in life. So yeah, but you know, she's fabulous. She's family. And so I'm just really grateful that she does what she does because a lot of people need it. And she's, you know, changing lives out there. So I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 18:46  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 18:48  

Thank you so much for joining us today. You are amazing. In case you didn't remember in case someone told you that you are incredible and awesome. And we're so grateful for you. And if you haven't left a review for this podcast, please do it. 

Brad Crowell 18:57  

Do it. 

Lesley Logan 18:58  

That would be a really great gift to me. It's also a great way for you to be present. You could take note of what you learned from this episode. 

Brad Crowell 19:03  

It would be a great gift to me, too. 

Lesley Logan 19:05  

Yeah, great gift to Brad. You know Brad needs to get, his birthday's coming up, everyone. Leave a review for his birthday. (Inaudible) It is. So and then share this with a friend who needs. If you got a friend who's like you know, as one of those people who's just like acting out of trauma sometimes you're like, Oh, you can see it. Sometimes you can see others and we can see it in ourselves. Send this to them because you don't have to tell them what to do. You can just let them learn about it on their own. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 19:27  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 19:29  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day.

Lesley Logan 19:56  

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Brad Crowell 20:11  

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Brad Crowell 20:21  

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Lesley Logan 20:28  

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Brad Crowell 20:31  

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In this episode, Lesley Logan interviews Lauren Zoeller, a dating and relationship expert specializing in Somatic work. Lauren explains the importance of understanding the language of the nervous system and recognizing trauma responses for effective healing. She discusses the dangers of codependency and the necessity of active participation in the healing journey. Discover how to break free from survival patterns and transform your relationships with the help of her upcoming book and her actionable tools for trauma recovery, especially for those in their late 40s.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The benefits of somatic therapy over traditional therapy.
• Identifying four survival responses: fight, flight, freeze, and fawn.
• Understanding somatics as the language of the nervous system.
• Recognizing and addressing codependency in therapy.
• Healing from trauma and understanding trauma responses.
• Breaking free from constant mental loops in trauma recovery.

Episode References/Links:

• Lauren Zoeller Instagram
• Lauren Zoeller Website
• Lauren Zoeller TikTok
• The Aligned Love Podcast
• The Rise of the Reader by Nick Hutchison
• Nick Hutchison Episode 373
• A Little Bit Culty Podcast
• Will Rēzin Episode 16
• Dr. Bender Episode 183

Guest Bio:

Lauren Zoeller is a 7-figure entrepreneur, host of The Aligned Love podcast, speaker, and author. As the Founder of The Aligned Love Experience™, Lauren is an expert practitioner in reparenting, generational healing and Somatic Experiencing. Through her work, she created the proprietary Voice Activation Method™ that has been used to help thousands of men and women heal from past trauma and take ownership of their future. She is a certified dating & relationship coach and her insights have been featured on The Drew Barrymore Show, The NY Post, Business Insider, Medium, NBC News, Goal Cast, SHAPE magazine and other international media outlets. Lauren is a featured contributor for Ask Us Beauty, a unique magazine and membership platform that redefines beauty by helping women choose what beauty means to them both inside and out. She often speaks on topics such as Embodiment, Attachment Theory, Somatic Experiencing and Leadership. Her business endeavors are dedicated to helping build schools for underprivileged children in Honduras with The Boundless Foundation, a philanthropic organization whose mission is to end generational cycles of scarcity and poverty.

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Episode Transcript:

Lauren Zoeller 0:00  

I always say that Cymatics, it's the language of the nervous system, and it's a language that many of us were never taught to speak. We never learned it. You don't learn how to listen to your emotions and sensations when you're in middle school, grade school or high school. We were never taught that. So in a lot of ways, there's a learning curve in understanding the language. 

Lesley Logan 0:21  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:03  

All right, be it babe, I'm so excited to have you here for this episode. I'm obsessed with the woman we're about to listen to, it was just on the show before, we are going to talk about Cymatics you're in relationships and love and how we respond to things in our lives. So I know it's how you're gonna respond to everything, whether it's relationships, business money, like little sneak peek. But I think this is a really important episode to listen to. Because being until you see it, it's gonna require us to get us outside of our comfort zone to do things that are different. And our bodies are going to respond to those differences to be outside of our comfort zone. And those responses are actually going to let you know how you're feeling how you're reacting to something. And we need to know how to manage that and understand that so that we can do all the things we're supposed to do on this planet, you are the most amazing person. You're the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. And so understanding how your body is reacting to things is actually going to be a superpower that you will need in all things in your life. So without further ado, here is Lauren Zahler. Oh my god, this is so fun. Okay, this is also the strangest. I'm gonna leave this all in. You guys. We're doing to be a pod in real life with one of my dearest best friends I absolutely adore which has been on the bigger pot before it Lauren's all you're here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock get in case they haven't heard your first episode?

Lauren Zoeller 2:21  

Oh my gosh, what do I rock at? So I am, I'm a somatic dating and relationship expert. And first of all, I'm just so excited that we're getting to do this in real life.

Lesley Logan 2:30  

I know, maybe we should have done this, got excited about doing this before. But it's really fun. 

Lauren Zoeller 2:35  

Yeah, it is fun. So I'm a somatic dating and relationship expert. I help both men and women really heal their relational trauma so that they can find healthy partnership. So I kind of geek out on relationships, but I do it through the lens of the nervous system, which a lot of people are used to traditional talk therapy. And I really get into the body and work with the nervous system so that you can heal some of these relational patterns that feel like you just do the patterns that you just can't seem to get over when it comes to relationships. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

Yes, you mean like your, you date the same person over and over again expecting it to go better? 

Lauren Zoeller 3:06  

Yeah, yeah. Or you get in the same relationship dynamics and you find yourself sabotaging in the same way over and over, maybe you find someone that's really healthy, but it feels boring. And so you just 

Lauren Zoeller 3:18  

We all remember that episode with Keri. Yes. Exactly. So it just you keep imploding these relationships, that could be really good for you. So it shows up in different ways. And also, it's more than just romantic relationships, too. It's like we have a relationship to money, we have a relationship to ourselves, to our health. And so how we do one thing is how we do everything. And it's all based in whether you feel safe, or whether you're in survival and your nervous system. So it's looking at that and regulating it. 

Lesley Logan 3:45  

Yeah, I love this. I know in, the first time I had you on you kind of explained the difference between like what somatic work can look like, just in case anyone hasn't, can we get like a little 101 definition of it so everyone's on the same page?

Lauren Zoeller 3:56  

So somatic work is it's therapy of the nervous system. So most people when they go to traditional talk therapy, or even if they work with a mindset coach, they're looking at, cognitively, how can I put patterns together and try to shift what my mind thinks about when it's triggered or when it experiences something traumatic. What somatic work does is it looks at where did your body go into a survival response, when it experienced something that was too fast, too much or too soon, to properly get to safety. And these responses, they get stuck, they get stuck in your body. You don't look at them, and you don't regulate them, then you're going to continue to trip over the same wire and you're going to feel it in your nervous system. So an example of this, right, and I kind of like to give my own example here, I dated, I go to in relationships with alcoholics and loved them because they were projects and I felt like if I could save them if I could lead them to coming home to themselves and getting sober than I would be worthy of love. Right? I learned that at a very young age, because I grew up in a whole long line of Polish women, my mom taught me that you don't get to sit down and eat your dinner until everyone in the room has eaten first. So I was taught that my happiness was dependent on other people being happy first, and this, this survival response that my happiness was dependent on other people, it was alive in my nervous system, because that's the only thing that was familiar. It was the only thing I learned. So fast forward to becoming an adult, I then just started to continue to attract these types of men that reiterated that survival response because it felt familiar. So somatic work, taught me to go into my body, recognize that survival response and get it to safety so that I can break that survival pattern. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

So then you can, you actually can make changes to things whereas, if, not that talk therapy can't do that, but I feel like it's longer and/or you're kind of having to do things as it's happening. 

Lauren Zoeller 6:00  

Exactly. Yeah. Well, and I had been in talk therapy for almost 10 years, like I had a whole team of therapists and mindset coaches and I had spent almost six figures in trying to break the cycles. But when we talk about our trauma, we are actually re-traumatizing ourselves, in a lot of ways, because we're not getting to what actually happened in the body when that survival response first set in, and most of the time, it's generational, we look at relationships. So it's just looking at trauma in a different way. It's a whole body approach versus just hanging out in the brain.

Lesley Logan 6:44  

So as far as like how the body's responding, can you give us some examples? Because I do think that I'm like, like thinking about some of my like, perfectionist overachievers, who are amazing, but also like, not always as in tune with how their body is interpreting things like what are some of those things they're feeling as I remember, I had an amazing therapist. She did somatics. And she was going, where are you feeling that I'm like, where should I feel it? Yeah, where am I? Where should I feel it? I feel it there. Yeah, yeah.

Lauren Zoeller 7:10  

So if I heard that, I would be like, ah, this is very much a freeze response. So you may not be able, it can be two things, right? You are either frozen and you have no sensation whatsoever. You feel kind of flighty or you feel disassociated. We've all been in that space where we know we need to do something, right? Like we have this crazy long list as an entrepreneur of all these things that we need to check off. And what do we end up doing? We end up scrolling on social media and we don't get to any of it. That is a sign of disassociation, that is a sign of freeze in the system. And so until you start to look at and know those survival responses, because there's four of them, there's fight, which is how it sounds, there's flight, which again, is how it sounds, freeze, which is what I just described, and then there's fun, which is people-pleasing. It's shutting down your voice in, let's say, you're on a sales call and you know, what you're worth. And next thing, you know, you're like giving away the house. Right? Because you feel like I need to be accepted. I just need this person to work with me as a survival response. So it's like looking at those different responses in the system like I'm curious about them. 

Lesley Logan 8:20  

Okay, this is really cool. I love the way you're describing this because, again, as the (inaudible) like, I'm like, oh, I just need to have the right answer. So what's the, what's the? What's the right answer for you? You know, I feel like, it's an easier way to kind of understand. Oh, right now I want to run away. Okay, so that is a survival response. And so we, we talk therapy be like, why do I want to run away? And somatics would be like, where am I feeling running away in my body? Is that the how are...? 

Lauren Zoeller 8:20  

Yep. Yeah, so talk therapy would be okay, where did this pattern come from? How can I connect it cognitively to something that I experienced in the past? I get it working in the body through somatics would be okay, what are the sensations and the emotions that are associated with me wanting to run away? And can I be with that and as a somatic practitioner, I'm then allowing my clients to be with that sensation. And we give it space to renegotiate in the body. So the next time that you come up to an event that's similar to the one you want to run away from your body goes, Oh, I'm actually not in threat right now. I don't have to run away. I can stay here because I feel safe. And that's what somatic experiencing does it, renegotiates those survival responses.

Lesley Logan 9:29  

I think it's if this sounds so awesome, because it gives people part of their life back. And it allows people to have new experiences in even same relationships because I do feel like not that not that I want anyone to like renegotiate a bad relationship that they're in. But if you have, like a (inaudible) with your parents, and they're still alive, you actually don't have to continue to repeat the same behaviors because you can change how your body is going to feel in those situations. 

Lauren Zoeller 9:57  

Exactly. Yeah, and It's, it gives people hope, because I can't tell you how many leaders I have worked with. And really just women that come in through, you know, my programs that they're frustrated, they're like, gosh, I have been I've been in therapy, I've been doing all the things that I people tell me I need to be doing. But I can't seem to move the needle here. And I always get, I never wanted to be like my mom, I never wanted to be like my dad. But here I am as an adult. And like, I'm just like my parents, and I don't understand why and how this happened. And looking at your relationships from the lens of somatics gives you a very clear picture as to why it's happening. Because the only thing you ever learned in your body, it's what feels safe, even though it's a false sense of safety. 

Lauren Zoeller 9:59  

Yeah, you got into this, because of your own experience. And you have now helped so many women, what are you looking forward to helping people with now? And like, how are you kind of working your business to do that? Because I know that you've you, you've helped so many, what's the next step?

Lauren Zoeller 11:03  

Yeah. So I do have a book coming out next year. It's really exciting. I know, I'm so excited about it. So hopefully, that will reach more people and get this work into more hands. Because I feel like, you know, I just own it, it's expensive to work with me long term. And, but I also have this really big mission on my heart that I want to get this work into as many hands as possible. So hopefully, the book will be able to do that. But I work, I really like to say that if you are struggling in relationship to anything in your life, that's where you would come and absorb the work that I teach. So really, for next year, I have the book, and I'm getting ready to launch a membership, a really affordable membership, so you can get your hands on some of this work. So that's what's coming in the future. 

Lesley Logan 11:50  

I think that's really exciting. Because I think like when you have the tools, and you have these keys, and you can see how it's affected your own life, but then also the women that you're working with. It is like how do I get this to help more people but also not water it down? And sometimes it's just exposure? Like, I think, especially if you're going, I'm 41, right? So anyone who's listening, a lot of them are in their 40s and 50s. You get to a point, it's almost kinda like, is it too late for me like, I feel like I should have done this a lot, a lot sooner. And so I think it's really cool that you could have different ways of people becoming aware, because I don't actually think that many people a lot more people are talking about somatics. And maybe it's just because my algorithm is showing me that but I don't think as many people are aware of this work. And so sometimes it's just getting them into awareness for them to have that impact. 

Lauren Zoeller 12:36  

Yeah, I always say that somatics, it's the language of the nervous system. And it's a language that many of us were never taught to speak, we never learned it, you don't learn how to listen to your emotions and sensations when you're in middle school grade school, high school, we were never taught that. So in a lot of ways, there's a learning curve in understanding the language. And it's just like, you know, learning to speak Mandarin, or Chinese or any other language, you're not, you're not going to just show up to your first class and be able to speak yeah, like speak Mandarin fluently, you're going to have to learn the you know, the alphabet and the phrases and put things together. Your nervous system is the same way it is a language. And so my hope with the book is that it will start, it's called The Missing Language of Love. And my hope is that people can have access to this language because most people don't have it. 

Lesley Logan 13:29  

Yeah, I think that's really cool. I want to go into like, you talked about the missing language of love. And earlier you (inaudible), anything. So you're known a lot for like, relationships with love and as a partner. But is, is that the only love that this book is towards? Or is, like, for any kind of love?

Lauren Zoeller 13:51  

For the love of everything, right? So because again, once you know the language of your nervous system, you can shift the way that you relate to anything in your life. And so a lot of people that I work with, even though they come in for relationships and dating, they're struggling in their romantic relationships. How you do one thing is how you do everything. Yeah. So if they're struggling, and they have patterns showing up in their relationship, romantic relationships, they're also struggling in that same vein, when it comes to their relationship to money, like they're usually the same patterns. So this book will teach you it's a, it's a roadmap. So there are a lot of exercises within the book. And you can use it I tell people go through it for your romantic relationships, and then go back and go through it and look at your relationship to money, your relationship to your health, like it is a roadmap that you can use for all of it. 

Lesley Logan 14:39  

Okay, I love this. So you guys probably heard the episode already with Nick Hutchison, and he has a book called The Rise of the Reader and his book teaches you like how to absorb more from what you are reading. He's a big self-development book person. And he said that he puts on a Post-it note on the inside cover like what his intention for the book is, so you guys can just take that lesson and just apply it to this like, okay, my intention first is romantic relationships. And then now I'm rereading it for money. So that and he says, every time you open the book, reread the intention, so you can keep that that's how he absorbs most. So I'm just like connecting to that, so, you guys, because I just think that that's how I would want to go through the book is like with one idea at a time. So I, my overachievers, you can't do three ideas at the same time. That's

Lauren Zoeller 15:23  

It won't work, it won't work. 

Lesley Logan 15:26  

Can you tell me what if we don't work on our somatics? Like, what happens to us? What does our future look like if we just decide not to?

Lauren Zoeller 15:35  

Very dark, And I, it's not, I mean, you're gonna be fine. But you just have to get you have to have a moment where you say, okay, do I want a different reality for myself? Period. And every person that I know that has not done somatic work, they're kind of living in the same dynamic that their parents had. And so I'm not saying that that is always going to be the case. But if you don't look at your healing from the lens of your nervous system, you're only attacking 20% of the healing puzzle, like the cognitive piece is important to go through talk therapy, and to talk about your problems, you need to make that link cognitively. But it's 20%. If you think about from your neck down to your toes, that's like 80% of your body. So and most people don't ever look at that. So, again, yeah, maybe you're going to talk therapy, maybe you're talking to your problems, but you're really only addressing 20% of the healing puzzle when you do that. So you're going to stay stuck, where you are, may have a little bit of change. But you're going to revert back to your old patterns.

Lesley Logan 16:42  

Do you find, once you know this language, and once you've done work on it and understanding it, is this something that you can continue to work through with yourself? Can you like work through yourself? Or do you have someone you, like how, I'm just wondering, like, what's, what's the process of someone who's going through, learns to work, learns the language and then like, stuff happens? Like you're known, just like, it's not like just like life's squeaky clean?

Lauren Zoeller 17:04  

Yeah, yeah. It's funny, I interviewed Will Rezin on my podcast last week, because episode just came out, and I need to connect you two, by the way, but he was talking about that, because he had, he is also a somatic practitioner. And he had done all of this work for so long. And he studied with Shamans in Peru, and his mother was a therapist, and he kind of like surrounded himself with all of these personal development tools. And it wasn't until really late in his career, that he found somatic work. And he said, you know, after I was facilitated enough, and I really understood, had somebody else guide me into the language of my nervous system, I can now walk myself through this. And so I tell all my clients, my goal is for you to not meet me anymore. And I think that that's, we've built this really deep codependency in the personal development world. And it's not healthy, it's not healthy to need a coach for the rest of your life. It's not healthy to need a therapist for the rest of your life. We aren't conditioned to believe that. And I mean, from a business perspective, it's a really awful business model. For someone to not need me, right. But the truth is, is that you shouldn't need a therapist for the rest of your life. You shouldn't really need a coach for the rest of your life or else they're not doing their job. 

Lesley Logan 18:21  

Yeah, you know, yeah, no, I was there's a podcast I was involved, A Little Bit Culty, and they said like, imagine if you went to college, and they just never let you graduate. Like that would never be okay. Like anyone you work with. There should be a point at which you you've graduated otherwise, maybe it's a little I culty.

Lauren Zoeller 18:37  

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And we need to normalize that because I think the personal development world has become so you need to be in it forever and ever and ever, and you never get to leave. 

Lesley Logan 18:48  

Well and also like how is that at all abundance mindset, which is what the personal development world preaches. It's like you should have an abundance mindset. Well, if you did as the coach, you would be okay with people graduating and you would trust that there'd be more people coming through. So I really love hearing that the goal is like you've learned these tools to a point that you can actually use them on your own and you're not so reliant on other people and I do think it's true because like, I have people in my life who were raised to be in this codependent relationships and like they have therapists which is really great, but they just develop another codependent relationship, you know? 

Lauren Zoeller 19:23  

Yeah. It's funny I was, I was on a call with a client yesterday and she was speaking about this very same thing. You know, her she grew up in a household where her mother went to codependent anonymous. And next thing you know, she was like, my mom was in AA my mom was an alcoholic, but she was going to AA meetings and she was going to like eaters anonymous meetings. She was just conditioned to have this codependency and so I really want to talk about that, right, and put it out into the world because I feel like a lot of people aren't talking about how bad it is. 

Lesley Logan 19:52  

Yeah, I know you and I've talked to like, offline about, you know, it's very interesting. I get really disenchanted. Sometimes with what we do, because I'll go to a conference, I'll go and hear different speakers, we'll all be on the same status (inaudible) I'm like, what are they talk, what are they saying? Like, you're making people find more things. Or you're making them think that they need all these things, there is not actually a template out there for any business that's going to always work for everyone all the time. Because the truth is that we're all very unique individuals, and we have different ways of responding to obstacles in our way that like, even if he did everything the exact same way, it still wouldn't be the exact same result, because we're coming out with different strengths, different weaknesses, different ways of seeing things. And I do think that it can be really scary and sometimes dark in the self-development world. How, obviously, we don't ever want to work with you. But what are some like signs? Or do you have anything that you kind of like us to make sure that you don't end up working with or studying with anyone this ultimate world that could maybe be like a red flag of like, this might not be a good program? 

Lauren Zoeller 20:58  

Yeah. I mean, I think, a big thing for me, if someone comes to a, let's say, a discovery call with me, or someone on my team, and they are, they're already in defensive mode, they're like defense, they don't think that this is going to work. They've tried everything, I will just tell them I don't think that this work, is it's I don't think it's the right time for you to be here. Like, that's a big one. But also, when people come to me, and they talk about, well, is this gonna heal me? Like, am I going to be healed when I'm done with this? I'm like, that's a big red flag, right? Because nothing and no one can heal you. Healing is a lifelong journey. But the best thing that you can do is equip yourself with the right tools to be able to facilitate yourself through whatever you need. So that's a big red flag for me is when somebody shows up and they're like, or when someone says, this work healed me. Because it's, it's there's so many different factors. Yeah, in order for that to be true. 

Lesley Logan 21:53  

Yeah, I love that what you're saying it's like there's this goes both ways. Someone who's coming as a client wanting these, like, like, this has to work, that kind of almost desperation. It's like, this is probably even like our business coaching for fitness instructors. People are coming like, I need this to work. And I'm like, so here's the deal. Like, I can't make the business decisions daily for you. I'm not in the biz I'm not writing to, you have to do all the work. Yeah. So it will work if you do all the work. But is it gonna work tomorrow as it were yesterday, that's not true. If you're all out there interviewing different people to work with, they should be honest with you. And they shouldn't be saying this isn't the right thing for you, or here's what is possible. But here's how long it could take like, there has to be honesty there. And if it's not transparent, or they're just telling what you want to hear, like, those are big red flags.

Lauren Zoeller 22:37  

Big red flags. Yeah. Well, and also, and this is just a point of curiosity for people to think about the need for something to work. And for it to work right now. That is a trauma response. And so you have to start to get curious around that, because it's this that is flight in action. That's what it looks like you're in this space of feeling like it needs to be urgent. And really, trauma is urgency, its urgency of needing things now, because when we look at the definition of trauma it's something that happened too fast, too much too soon. It is in that space of urgency. So things happen. And you and I've talked about this, like the instant gratification, and the instant, overnight success, that's very much in the personal development world, can cause a whole myriad of, of trauma. And really, the things that are meant to be savored in life, and that are really beautiful, and make your life robust, are the ones where you slow down. And you were able to build it from a space of true presence and being grounded. And so if you aren't there, and you're constantly wanting immediate results, that is a sign that you are in trauma, and you need to work through that. 

Lesley Logan 23:50  

It's so interesting. I could be having a trauma response in my business. That's not necessarily, the trauma wasn't from business, it could be from something else in my life. And that's how it's showing up. (inaudible)

Lauren Zoeller 23:59  

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. And it's a relationship, you have a relationship to your business. So you have to look at how are you showing up in that relationship? And what from the past has led you to this place where you feel like, oh, my gosh, I need instant results right now, or the house is gonna catch on fire. 

Lesley Logan 24:17  

See, I think it's fascinating, cuz I do think I had Dr. Bender on many years ago. And you guys we'll put her second episode in the show notes. But she talked about, we tend to as humans, try to make a reason to the stress for feelings. I'm having this like any instant gratification. So we're trying to figure out the reason for that in the head, right? A cognitive reason. And she gave the example of like, whenever I walk into office, I get super, super stressed out. And so it's my job that's causing this and she's always like, try not to create reason, because what you logically will connect might not actually be the thing that it is and you could totally switch a career and actually have the exact same feelings because it's a trauma response as to something else. We have to do the somatic work to regulate it. 

Lauren Zoeller 25:02  

Yeah, well, and it's important to note too, that the nervous system again, it doesn't speak in story. So going into story and making meaning about something over and over and living in what I call monkey brain, which are like those constant loops. That is the flight response. That's what it looks like to notice yourself in an actual trauma response, when you have those looping thoughts, like everybody can relate to being broken up with, and then laying in bed at night and trying to sleep and your brain won't shut off. And you're like, oh, my gosh, well, what if I would have done this? And what if I would have would have, he would have done this different? What were the you know, you have these like, constant ruminating thought 

Lesley Logan 25:39  

Replay the conversation in your head over and over.

Lauren Zoeller 25:43  

Yeah, that is a trauma response. And it's usually linked to you not being chosen at some point in your life. And so you went into reasoning, to pacify and to cope with what happened. So if you're not looking at how your body is responding in a moment-to-moment basis, you're gonna keep living those loops over and over again, you're gonna keep, I call it burning the ships in your business because your brain takes over and kind of sabotages what's actually happening.

Lesley Logan 26:12  

Okay, this has been amazing, because I feel like I've learned, I feel like fight is an easy one to kind of understand how that response is but having, we've gone through real amazing what it looks like for the flight and for the freeze and for the fun. So this has been so educational, obviously, we're happy to have you back when your book comes out, because I can't wait to read it, I will have to figure out a way to like, make sure our listeners get their hands on it. We're gonna take a brief break, we're gonna find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you. 

Lesley Logan 26:37  

All right, Lauren, where can people find you, follow you, work with you? Where do you like to hang out? Where's your favorite place?

Lauren Zoeller 26:44  

Okay, so you can find me online at my website, laurenzoeller.com. I'm most active on Instagram. So you can find that, you can find that @LaurenZoeller on Instagram. In Tiktok, @coachLaurenZoeller. And I think that's all the places that I hang out. I do have a podcast, which you're about to 

Lesley Logan 26:59  

I know. 

Lauren Zoeller 26:59  

So you can listen to that. It's the Aligned Love podcast. 

Lesley Logan 27:02  

Yes, you guys, you can listen, wherever you listen to this one, just go find it. We'll put it in the show notes. But sometimes it's not easy to go. Just google that. You I think that's really, it's really cool that you have your podcast because I think having this we have to hear it a few different times for different ways. So it's great for people to have you in their ears more often. Yeah. Well, you've given us so many amazing bits of information about ourselves. But for our, you know, people who want an action step, what's a bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted step they can take to be it till they see it? 

Lauren Zoeller 27:36  

So I would suggest beginning to learn the language of your nervous system. And do this by what's what I like to call a somatic check in. So if you are a tangible person, get out your phone, try this for a week, get out your phone, set a timer on your phone to go off every three hours. When that timer goes off. All you're gonna do get out your notes on your, on your iPhone, or your Android, we were talking about that earlier, whatever, you have no judgment here. And I want you to document the sensations and the emotions that are present in your body. And then I want you to write down what you were doing when the timer went off. Note I did not say I want you to write down your sensations, emotions, and tell me why you're feeling them. All they want you to do is document what sensations what emotions were present and what you were doing. What this does is it starts to give you the language of where your nervous system is in a moment to moment basis. So for instance, if every time your timer goes off, you're sitting down to write an email. And you notice that you're sweating, and your heart wants to jump out of your chest. You're probably in a flight response when you're sitting down and you're working. And so once you start to understand this language, then you have the language to be able to shift where you need to go from survival to safety and you can start to take that next step. So awareness, the somatic checking gives you awareness of the language that you're speaking 

Lesley Logan 28:54  

Oh, I love this you guys. This is such an easy and free. I love a free tool. Ah, Lauren, I adore you. I'm so happy that we randomly met by an email introduction. Because you're just one of the favorite people in my life and I love getting to see you in real life. This is just so wonderful. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life. We want to know. Tag Lauren Zoeller and tag the Be It Pod, share this with a friend if you are hearing anything like oh my friend is a people pleaser. Oh, my friend is like this. All you have to do is actually send the episode to them, you don't actually have to tell them you are a pleaser and people-pleasing mode, you can actually send it to them and allow them to go on their own amazing journey. So thank you, Lauren. Thank you everyone for listening. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 29:40  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

 Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 30:22  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 30:27  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 30:32  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 30:39  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 30:42  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan is celebrating wins from eLevate members in this inspiring episode. Hear about Bianca Filoteo's launch strategies for her successful Pilates series, Brigid Pearse's breakthroughs with ideal clients, and Amanda Barbee's dream vacation. Lesley also shares her experience with FemGevity, emphasizing the importance of health for entrepreneurs. Don’t miss this week’s empowering mantra and get motivated to prioritize your success and well-being!

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why submitting taxes on time is still a win, even on the last day.
• Tailoring services for your ideal clients to create seamless sales.
• Achieving a work-life balance to support personal and work fulfillment. 
• Why maintaining good health is crucial for running a thriving business.

Episode References/Links:

• FemGevity

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I'm so grateful for you to be here. And don't take it lightly that you listen to this podcast. I'm always like overwhelmed by the downloads and the testimonials and the reviews. Thank you so very, very much for leaving reviews. It truly means the world to me. So on the FYFs, Fuck Yeah Friday, we actually celebrate wins of yours and a win of mine. And if I don't forget, I'm on track. I definitely screwed that up last week, but that's okay. We're allowed to make mistakes. That's a win, even just giving yourself permission to make a mistake. So here we go. We have first up Bianca Filoteo. She is an Agency member and just cool, cool person who I just adore. So here we go. Kicked off the first session of my intro to Pilates gym series last night and my students enjoyed it. I already have a waitlist for June intro classes. And I submitted my taxes finally on the last day of the deadline lol. Guess what? You know what? There are deadlines for a reason and you submitting on the last day is still submitting on time. So do not, do not ever, ever, ever, ever, you guys go oh my god I did it on the last day. Please. If they wanted you on the first day, they would have moved the deadline to the first day. So you're doing great. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

All right, Brigid Pearse, she said FYF I've had two discovery calls this week both my exact ideal client. It was so great to hear their journeys and have exactly the right offering for them. All I had to do was schedule them in they were both ready to buy from seeing my website and socials. Way to go. That is awesome. 

Lesley Logan 2:21  

All right, Last up, we have Amanda Barbee. Vacation bound to the destination proclaimed last year. And a goal I work towards smarter, not harder. Thanks for Agency, still in awe and pinching myself that I get to do what I love, see the people who need me, have a work-life balance, I have a paid vacation and be self-employed. It's a big win. Lots of gratitude. Oh, and by the way, FYF, late post, my kiddo client 16-year-old with CP who trains with me two times a week won first place in a Special Olympics race, hit a goal, and has been working hard in the studio and at home taking ownership of his movement practice. So proud. Oh my gosh, Amanda, that is awesome. I love, I love all the wins. I love that you are seeing how a year ago you put things in place. And look what it's brought you. So often, they don't have instant gratification and so we, we may not continue on and be consistent but you were and because of that I know for a fact you've worked less, made the, made the same amount or more. And you have vacations, you recently got married, you have clients who you adore, you have a consistent schedule. It's just so beautiful to see. And it's all because of the hard work you've put in and been consistent with it and not bouncing around trying to make things work. You've really did. You dialed in and got really clear on what you wanted. And you did the work. So way to go. Thank you so much. You guys, it is possible to work for yourself and have paid vacations. It is possible to take time off and not go, oh, I'm not getting paid because I'm not working. No, that is not how it works. It's not how it's supposed to work. You would never take a job from an employer who is like, you'll find out how much money you'll make at the end of the year, like you would never do that. It's just not a thing. So Amanda worked her magic calculator and it is working. And I'm so proud of your client, too, like you clearly have helped them figure out how to take ownership of themselves and they're doing their own practice. And that is just awesome. They're so lucky to have you. And you were lucky to have them because they teach us so many things. 

Lesley Logan 4:14  

All right. My win is you're to hear more and more about this, I'm celebrating it as a win, but you'll also hear about it in upcoming episode with a guest that I had and so you're kind of getting the end and then you'll get the beginning later but in May I had a full body checkup. So, FemGevity, they are, I do have a link for you. It'll be in the show notes. We'll have more ads going out. So you'll hear more about how this all got started on future episodes. But I did sign up and work with them. They sent a (inaudible) to my house I could have been like this is the busiest month I should just put it off to next month. But I didn't. I literally made it happen in the busiest frickin time. And then I got, the results came in. I did not I put off the consultation call on that I was like, what's the first I can get in, I'm doing that I'll move mountains to make that happen. And some of the results came in some I haven't gotten back yet at the time I'm recording this. But it was so great to hear that my blood tests were showing exactly what I was feeling. And they and I, they immediately took action and sent me some prescriptions that are going to support me and, and at the time that I'm recording this, I'm only four days into those prescriptions. So I cannot say for a fact that it's all rainbows and butterflies. But what I can say is, is that a win is that I advocated for myself, I did not deprioritize my health, and all of the chaos because in fact, without my health, I cannot do the chaos. I found a doctor and a company that is aligned with my values, enough to help me, listen to me and not put off what I was saying, because oh, it's in range, so you're fine. Like, I don't feel fine. Do not feel fine. And so I'm so, so, so grateful for them. But I'm also really, really frickin proud of myself for not putting off what I legitimately could have put off, I could have put off the blood test to June, I could have put off the call to June like I did not need to do it in the chaos. And I hope this is a reminder for every single one listening, please do not put off your medical health, just because you're busy. In fact, like you need baseline, but you also cannot keep up with the busyness forever without making sure everything is good. So if anything is feeling off, it's probably been off for a while. Right? And we make up excuses, we make up reasons, we make up things. It will affect your ability to do the things that you love. My health was affecting me showing up in my business. And it was tough. It is affecting me showing up as the person I want to show up as in, in other places, and I was withdrawing because I was just so tired all the time. So I cannot wait to see how I feel, you know, a month from now, when I've been on these prescriptions for a bit. And you'll hear more about that in the recap episode. So stay tuned to the (inaudible) episode. But if you don't want to wait to stay tuned for that to get some telemedicine help that will listen to you, ladies, FemGevity is the way to go. Check the link in the show notes. They are awesome. 

Lesley Logan 7:21  

All right. Now a mantra because I'm not going to forget. I forgot last week. We already talked about mistakes are okay though, because we're still super cool. All right. Oh, this is a beautiful one. My body is beautiful in this moment and at its current size. My body is beautiful in this moment at its current size. My body is beautiful in this moment and at its current size. Ladies, you're amazing. Thank you so much for listening. Please share this with a friend let me know your wins so I can shout them out for you. Because I promise you on a day you're feeling low, if I share your win, you get to re-celebrate what you already did. It's kind of awesome. All right. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:00  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 8:27  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:42  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:47  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:52  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:59  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:02  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Ready to transform your life? Lesley and Brad recap powerful takeaways from the interview with fitness professionals and motivational speakers Danny-J Johnson and Jill Coleman, co-hosts of The Best Life podcast. Learn how these inspiring women overcame personal hardships to empower others and discover actionable steps to heal past trauma, kill your ego, and become your best self. Plus, get expert tips on using Pilates flashcards in your practice. Tune in for an empowering and educational episode you won't want to miss!

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How to take action, ownership, and responsibility in your life.
• Understanding why transformation is a slow, steady process.
• Jill Coleman’s principle of making decisions as your future self.
• Insights into freeze responses and how to overcome them.
• Practical tips on letting go of the ego and embracing personal growth.

Episode References/Links:

• Summer Tour
• Balanced Body and Contrology
• Elevate Mentorship Program
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
• February 2025 Retreat
• Mat Flashcards
• Ego is the Enemy by Ryan Holiday
• The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck by Mark Manson
• If Book Could Kill Podcast
• The Best Life Podcast
• The Best Life Podcast Instagram
• Danny-J Johnson Instagram
• Jill Coleman Website
• Jill Coleman Instagram

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Brad Crowell 0:00  

When they made the decision I can control what I can do, that's what really gave them the power to move on with their own lives. And then, now, today, kick ass and take names. It's one of those moments when you're forced to realize that you can't control what other people think, say and do. That sucks. It's really, really probably a hard thing. But you're gonna be better for it.

Lesley Logan 0:20  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the liberating convo I had with Danny-J Johnson and Jill Coleman. I think the J is for Johnson. 

Brad Crowell 1:14  

J is for Johnson. So you just call her Danny-J. Danny-J and Jill Coleman.

Lesley Logan 1:15  

In our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that interview, go back and listen to it. These women are badass as they're so fun and they're doing amazing things. And I just, I like, I love watching their stories all the time. So anyways, you can listen to that now or you can listen to this now and you can listen to that later, it's fine. You can do whatever order you want. If you're listening to it in the OPC app, which is free by the way, you can actually just see them lined up with each other, makes it super easy because I'm just gonna say a certain fruit phone does not make it easy to figure out which episode to listen to, in which order because it just automatically downloads the next one and you like are out of order sometimes.

Brad Crowell 1:18  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

I'm just saying. 

Brad Crowell 1:54  

That's true. That's happened. 

Lesley Logan 1:55  

So today is June 27th 2024 and it's PTSD Awareness Day. About this day, on June 27 we talk about PTSD, a complex disorder caused by experiencing or witnessing trauma. The trauma necessary to cause PTSD can originate from many events — potentially an accident, combat, a natural disaster, or an assault — but there are other ways PTSD symptoms can arise. A trained professional must diagnose PTSD, based on symptoms like hypervigilance, mood swings, recurring and involuntary flashbacks to the trauma, and avoidance. The National Center for PTSD declared all of June to be PTSD Awareness month — you can help their campaign by educating yourself and others about the illness, and sharing help with those who might need it. Very important. We have been trying to get my dad some help for his PTSD, which he is like in denial that he has, and we're like, here are all how (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 2:45  

Here are all the symptoms that we're self-diagnosing you in but yeah, one of them is not sleeping, you know, and all like all sorts of different things like that (inaudible). PTSD is post-traumatic stress disorder. But this is actually something that has been really

Lesley Logan 3:01  

But it's not just for people who've been in combat, you can have PTSD from from a car accident, like they said, or an assault or natural disaster. 

Brad Crowell 3:08  

You can certainly have PTSD from those things as well. You know, any traumatic experience can create that, can create PTSD. The very first movie I ever acted in was about PTSD. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Really? 

Brad Crowell 3:22  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 3:22  

That's interesting.

Brad Crowell 3:23  

Yeah. I was, I was working at a film school and one of the students who was a, becoming a director, did an entire movie about it, and he cast me in one of the parts. 

Lesley Logan 3:34  

That's so, it's so cool. I had no idea you were ever in a movie. I know, a lot of first ones. So, there's others.

Brad Crowell 3:41  

So yeah, there were. One of my really close friends was in the military, multiple tours in the military. And then obviously, like you said, you know, Lesley, Lesley's dad. So, you know, lots of family and friends. 

Lesley Logan 3:55  

Yeah, so I think like, it's really important to make sure that they have the help that they want, they might not be able, it's really easy. I find like my dad would say like, he didn't have as bad as other people. So he, so I think it's really easy for people to compare their own experiences to someone else's and, and make it smaller, like (inaudible). Yeah. So like, it's not PTSD, because, I can't have it because it wasn't as bad as this person, but you can have it. And I read this amazing book, what happened to you, which also explains like based on how you were raised as an infant, your resiliency levels, and it's possible that like, you might not have those tools from being so young, that you might have PTSD over on something that someone else who's sitting right next to you might not have had it on. So like it's so important to not belittle it or shame yourself, please get help or help someone in your life who has it, like find out the areas in you're in your communities that can help them. 

Brad Crowell 4:52  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 4:53  

All right. 

Brad Crowell 4:54  

Coming up. 

Lesley Logan 4:54  

Coming up. We're a little over a month away from leaving for our sixth tour, our Summer Tour powered by Balanced Body. We're so excited. 

Brad Crowell 5:03  

That is crazy. 

Lesley Logan 5:04  

I know. It's so, it's great. It's our sixth tour. It's our second Summer Tour. It's our third tour powered by Balanced Body and Contrology. And that allows us to do lots of, lots of cities we probably wouldn't be able to do and meet some incredible people. So we're doing 13 cities. Let's see. Here we go. Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Denver, Lincoln, Nebraska, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Chicago, Cleveland, Ohio, Dayton, Ohio, Indy, Kansas City.

Brad Crowell 5:33  

Kansas City.

Lesley Logan 5:34  

St. Louis, Colorado Springs. 

Brad Crowell 5:36  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 5:37  

Way, I did a great job.

Brad Crowell 5:38  

Slayed it, slayed it. 

Lesley Logan 5:39  

I slayed it. I do wonder if I got the St. Louis and Kansas City in the right order. Because but I just don't actually know. 

Brad Crowell 5:45  

So actually, St. Louis, I think

Lesley Logan 5:46  

Is first I don't really know (inaudible). You know, the middle of the map is confusing, like Nebraska is more North than I thought. So.

Brad Crowell 5:46  

Yeah. St. Louis is east of Kansas City. 

Lesley Logan 5:52  

Okay, so then that definitely has a (inaudible). Go to opc.me/tour to get your tickets because it is selling really fast. And we are not hitting (inaudible) any of them. We're not hitting most, most of them again on the winter tour. And our summer tour will not be these cities. So. 

Brad Crowell 6:13  

Actually, none of these will be on the winter tour. 

Lesley Logan 6:14  

Oh, we're not doing St. Louis either. Are we doing Denver? Maybe.

Brad Crowell 6:19  

Man, that's debatable. 

Lesley Logan 6:21  

That's debatable. Okay, so just know that it's possible. We won't hit any of these cities again, including Las Vegas. Who knows? 

Brad Crowell 6:27  

That's true. 

Lesley Logan 6:28  

Yeah. So OPC.me/tour to get your tickets. Yes, you can come to multiple events do not worry about like, oh, I want to make sure (inaudible), come to ones you want to come to. I mean, some of these are only two hours apart. So like come party with us, come home with the dogs. There's lots of fun prizes. elevate applications are probably open right now. And the reason I say probably is because at the time of recording we have not picked the dates but they open for two weeks. And I want to say it's now because I'm pretty sure the following week is when I'm doing the call. So let's just say they are open. You want to go to lesleylogan.co/elevate, it is my mentorship for Pilates instructors. So if you're not a Pilates instructor this is gibberish to you. If you are a Pilates instructor, this is a master's program, mentorship program, it allows us to spend nine months together really diving deep into the method and ditching the imposter syndrome, ditching the over talking, ditching the hours of prepping, and really helping you connect to your practice, connect to your teaching and also this method. So lesleylogan.co/elevate, I can only take 12 people per group. So just so you know, the next one would be 2026. 

Brad Crowell 7:28  

Right.

Lesley Logan 7:29  

Yeah. So (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 7:29  

This enrollment would be for 2025 kicking off in January. So yeah, so don't sit on that one. Next up, we got Cambodia. February 2025. We are taking an amazing group of women with us so far. There may be a

Lesley Logan 7:30  

A few good men.

Brad Crowell 7:45  

There may be a few good men coming with us too. But there are room for that. 

Lesley Logan 7:50  

You can bring your partners. 

Brad Crowell 7:52  

Yeah, we actually have a ticket specifically for the experience only for people who are like, hey, Pilates isn't my thing. But I want to go do the trip. Absolutely. Welcome to join us. Anyway, go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. 

Lesley Logan 8:05  

If you keep saying I'm going to the next one, I'm gonna go to the next one. Take this one, as we learned from Kel Cal. 

Brad Crowell 8:12  

Yeah, that's right.

Lesley Logan 8:13  

Tomorrow doesn't exist, only today does. And so there are future trips don't exist yet. Just the ones we've got planned.

Brad Crowell 8:19  

That's true. That's true. Very, very true. 

Lesley Logan 8:21  

Very unlikely. 

Brad Crowell 8:22  

Why would you come to Cambodia with us? I'll tell you it is an experience of a lifetime. And I don't say that as like a, as like a

Lesley Logan 8:32  

Every one of our retreaters has, like, I'm gonna come back like it's 

Brad Crowell 8:35  

In fact, we've had multiple retreaters join us more than one time. It is just an incredible, incredible trip. The people are lovely. The environment is incredible. The jungles, the temples, I'm not even kidding you, it's The Jungle Book in real life. We literally get to walk around these incredible temples. You know, we're allowed to walk on them, around them, in them through them. It's, I, it's just mind-boggling. We get to eat incredible food. We practice Pilates, we build relationships and friends and fun. We get to go do a lotus farm we get to go like actually on a pond with all these amazing lotus and see the process (inaudible). There's so many incredible experiences in this trip. It is, I think of all the things that we do, what we do a lot, this is hands down my absolute favorite thing to do. And when we are retired someday, I will still do this. 

Lesley Logan 9:29  

Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. It's part of the retirement plan. So crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com 

Brad Crowell 9:38  

That's plural, crowsnestretreats.com. 

Lesley Logan 9:41  

Yeah. All right. And lastly, in case you didn't know, all of this happens because of onlinepilatesclasses.com. And if you are not a member yet, we want to know why. But also we want you to try it out.

Brad Crowell 9:53  

Yeah, go join us. 

Lesley Logan 9:54  

Yeah, it's OPC.me/40 it gives you a 40-day trial for only $1 a day. So 40 days for $40. And why are we doing 40 days? Because the reality is, is that like, it does take time to start something new. And it's not that it takes 40 days to (inaudible) happen in two days. But also like, we want you to experience two different monthly themes and multiple weekly classes and potentially join us for a live class and get feedback on your form and meet the community. So we want you to be able to have all the amazing experiences because we know that if you do that, you are an OPC life for like so many of our members. So OPC.me/40 for the best, most amazing community in the Pilates world. All right, before we get into Danny-J and Jill Coleman's episode, do we have an audience, a listener question, Mr. Brad?

Brad Crowell 10:41  

We sure do. Today, Tamara Gomez wrote in and she said she's hesitant to reach out with this question and really tried to figure it out on her own but for a 30-minute Pilates class how many cards would you pick out from your mat Pilates flashcard deck. I'm having a hard time designing the class around the amount of time that I choose. 

Lesley Logan 11:05  

Yeah. So if you haven't yet gotten our mat flashcards, you should get them.

Brad Crowell 11:09  

Yeah, go to opc.me/flashcards. 

Lesley Logan 11:12  

Yeah. So here's the thing. When Joseph Pilates created his mat work, if you did it on your own, and really, even if you're advanced, it takes you under 30 minutes to do all the cards. 

Brad Crowell 11:21  

All of it. 

Lesley Logan 11:21  

All of that. 

Brad Crowell 11:22  

Yeah. That's gonna be two exercises in the official. 

Lesley Logan 11:24  

I had someone reach out to me on YouTube going, can you create a 50-minute beginner workout on the Tower, Wunda Chair, a 50-minute on the reformer and 50-minute on the mat for beginners. I said, no, it's impossible. There's not even enough beginner exercises on each one, even if I combined them all together it wouldn't be 50 minutes. So like, no, without knowing the level of your class, I'm just going to assume they're all levels. So I'll have a class. So you probably will take out any of the overhead exercises, just be say, on the safe side. And so you'd be left with about 26-27 cards left, that actually could be 30-minute class right there. And if you just leave them in the order that they're in, it already has a set of action transition for you. So you don't have to do any work. You don't have to like reorder it at all. Now if you wanted to shuffle them, and like treat it like a tarot deck and see what comes next. You totally can there's nothing wrong with that. But I would say about 20 to 27 cards would be a 30-minute class without a problem. 

Brad Crowell 12:19  

Yeah. And that's if you're not moving quick. Which was why I was laughing. Do you remember the year that we were at momentum fast and all the teachers were doing the close-out? Yeah, well, how many minutes? Did they give you? Five? Ten? Ten minutes. So and.

Lesley Logan 12:33  

And people were doing huggy and stretchy and Kumbaya and like all this and like they were you know, just all this stuff. And I was (inaudible), what are you gonna teach? And I was like, well, clearly, I'm gonna do some Pilates because I have it hasn't happened yet. So I just did the whole order.

Brad Crowell 12:50  

In ten minutes.

Lesley Logan 12:51  

In ten minutes.

Brad Crowell 12:52  

Ten minutes.

Lesley Logan 12:53  

I think I did it in less than that, because I'm pretty good at it. We did one rep of everything in under 10 minutes. The whole thing. And that's when I coined you can crab sooner than you think. And people loved it. And they all crab sooner than they were ready. And also they had done like 14 or 15 events over two days. They were like so sore. They're like, oh, but also like they all did it. And I was so proud of them. So, anyway, Tamara, I hope that helps. 

Brad Crowell 13:17  

Great question. 

Lesley Logan 13:17  

Great question. Thanks for getting the cards also, it really means a lot to me. I love that you use them to class plan. I love that it's helping you nerd out. And if you have any questions, you guys, about the flashcards you can certainly ask us. You can also go to opc.me/flashcards and you'll see all of the decks. Our fifth deck is in print as we speak.

Brad Crowell 13:36  

Yeah. It's gonna be released this summer. I guess technically it's summer. It'll be released in August or I guess could it be in September? We'll see how the printer is going. I'm pushing for August. 

Lesley Logan 13:47  

He's pushing for August. I'm realistically saying September. I don't like disappointing people. If you have a question you want us to an swer we can answer anything. It doesn't have to be Pilates, it can be all the different things, we have different guests on, so feel free to send your questions in.

Brad Crowell 13:59  

(Inaudible) ask about all my amazing hats that I wear. 

Lesley Logan 14:02  

Brad really does change his hats and he hopes you notice.

Brad Crowell 14:05  

But if you only watch on YouTube, then you'll see it. You can DM us on the gram or you can text us at 310-905-5534 to ask your questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 14:20  

Okay, now let's talk about Danny-J. And Jill Coleman. Danny-J and Jill, co-hosts of The Best Life podcast, began their careers as personal trainers and fitness competitors. They bonded over shared experiences of discovering their husband's infidelities and their evolving views of fitness and nutrition. They aim to help women feel less alone. embrace change and let go of past identities to become the person they are meant to be. Yeah, and I I knew, I knew that story, (inaudible) but I forgot that story. Yeah, I totally forgot that story and, and listening to them rehash that, the experience of how a how they met and how their podcast came to be, was, was a little bit sad, but also a little bit amazing because it brought the two of them together. And, you know, they've been really close friends now for many years because of that. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 15:17  

Yeah, I think so I think like, I don't know, every time we say this, somebody gets mad and goes, I didn't want my dog to die, that nothing's good gonna come with that. But like, really, everything does happen for a reason, like, good, like you, there's, it's something is going to come out of this new journey that you're having. So this sucks that they are both cheated on. But they ended up having this new, amazing friendship. And now look, they both have amazing dudes that they are with. So like it all, it all works out, and they probably would not be where they are had it not happen. I really love that they share their story. And I love that Jill said you can't control what your spouse and other people in your life are doing. But you can always control what you decide to do. And we decide to make of it. 

Brad Crowell 16:02  

What you decide to do and what you decide to make of it. 

Lesley Logan 16:04  

Yes. So she went, like, that's what like Danny-J did by moving to L.A. and that was really, really hard for her to, the hard part of her life, hard time in her life. And so, but she was able to take some action. And then I liked that they talked about like always being focused on moving forward. So taking action, taking ownership and taking responsibility. So like we talked about like, you know why they started their podcast, but where they are today. And that's part of like, they're taking action, they're focused on moving forward, they're taking ownership and responsibility. It's not easy to do. Like we make mistakes all the time. And we kind of get embarrassed, but you feel like you can take responsibility for the things that go on in your life and how you can control what you're gonna do in that situation.

Brad Crowell 16:46  

We've definitely talked about this before that you can't control what others think and say and do. You can only control your own actions. And the way that you think, you know, in this case, it was it was really challenging for both Danny-J and for Jill to to empower themselves as their relationships or after their relationships. As they were ending or after their relationships. When they finally realized there's no change, the guys in the relationship, were not interested in fixing it. And both Danny-J and Jill couldn't, you have no control over them, right? So you can't change what they're going to say and do. Even though you felt like you guys have made a decision together to commit to each other, to do all these things, this is actually really challenging for me, because this is literally what happened to me, too, where I was pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing to fix it. And my ex finally said, I don't want to fix it, I will not fix it. And that was really shocking for me. Because why did we even do this in the first place? You know, and that was really, really hard for me to wrap my head around, you know, and I, just listening to their stories that made me kind of relive that a little bit in my of my own story and, you know, relate to them a little bit. And when they made the decision, I can control what I can do. That's what really gave them the power to move on with their own lives. And then now today, kick ass and take names. It's one of those moments when you're forced to realize that you can't control what other people think, say and do. That sucks. It's really, really probably a hard thing. But you're going to be better for it. 

Lesley Logan 18:22  

Yeah, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 18:24  

One of the things that Danny Jay was talking about, was that transformation actually comes slowly. Sometimes it comes slowly, to the point where you don't even notice it. This was after the, you know, after the separation with her ex. She said the last couple of years have been challenging for her. She, her mom passed away, she has like some people broke at her house. You know, she.

Lesley Logan 18:51  

She was robbed in Mexico twice.

Brad Crowell 18:53  

Oh, it was, it was in Mexico. That's right. Sorry.

Lesley Logan 18:55  

I don't know. And I think she was brought up there (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 18:57  

I thought there was one in Vegas? 

Lesley Logan 18:58  

But there was twice in one week in Mexico. 

Brad Crowell 19:00  

Yeah. And then she, she actually did have she does have PTSD, from childhood trauma. And, you know, she got stuck in a couple of interesting places to that. So she, you know, she decided to start really tackling that internally. She did ketamine, and she's done a lot of therapy sessions. And one therapy, one therapist told Danny something that I thought was, was interesting for me, because we've all heard of fight or flight, right? Or it's like the two things like you're, you're either running or you're fighting. Well, there's a third one that nobody ever talks about. And that's freezing.

Lesley Logan 19:40  

There's also fawn. There's a fourth. Fawn, a lot of women will fawn. So fawn 

Brad Crowell 19:46  

F-A-W-N?

Lesley Logan 19:47  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 19:47  

I didn't even know that.

Lesley Logan 19:48  

Yeah, so fawn is like it hap- Megan Fox talks about this when she was abused in a relationship. She was abused and what she did was like fawn which is like it's okay, you're okay. Don't worry, that was my fault, you start to make them feel better and you kind of like, not Damsel, but like you, the way to take control of the situation is to kind of like, it's not to yight back or do nothing. It's the play, yes, yeah.

Brad Crowell 20:14  

Yeah, this is really hilarious. I was actually going to tell a story about my fight, flight, or I experienced the third one, freeze. When I was camping when I was a kid. I was up in the upstate Pennsylvania, in the, in the woods, like hardcore in the middle of the woods. I was with the scouts and the Scoutmaster said, hey, there are bears here. So, you know, don't carry around food. Don't be stupid. If you see a bear, you know, get loud, right? And my friend decided to play a joke on me. I was adamant that I could walk through the campsite without using a flashlight, because I like night vision and being able to see the stars and stuff. And I was coming back down from my tent to the camp to like the big camp area where all the people are. And he snuck out from behind a tree on all fours pretending to be an animal. And I, I found out what I would do now moving forward, I would freeze and do nothing. Because that's what I did. I was like, like what? You know, and, and so I just looked up, fight, flight, fight, freeze, and fawn. And the examples that they came up with are all about a bear flight, run away from the bear, fight, fight the bear, freeze, play dead, fawn, keep the bear happy. And so I didn't know that. That's actually really, really interesting to me. Anyway, Danny-J was talking about the freeze response. And she said her therapist was, basically said, she's frozen, right? She's stuck. She's stuck in this this moment. And so she started doing more therapy and ketamine, and she had started to have some baby steps, which started to loosen things up in her life and allow some forward momentum to happen. And she said she's really proud of the shift that's begun to happen in her life, because it also sounds very healing. You know, ultimately, so I think that's amazing. 

Lesley Logan 22:13  

Yeah. I just love these ladies. They're just so great. 

Brad Crowell 22:16  

Yeah, both incredibly powerful and exuberant, they're just so fun to be around. They have great energy. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Also, both of them have incredible minds for business, which is super fun. Because obviously, that's what I love to nerd out about. So, you know, we've, we've worked with both, both of them as coaches in our business over the years, and it's been exciting to take the things that they're suggesting and have experienced and are doing and incorporate them into the some of the things that we're doing, too. So, yeah, anyway, stick around. 

Brad Crowell 22:53  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Danny-J and Jill Coleman? Jill was talking about her coaching experience and she starts talking about this as if principle.

Lesley Logan 23:10  

I had, by the way, I had not heard of this as if principle till after I named the podcast, Be It Till You See It, and it really is the as if principle. 

Brad Crowell 23:17  

Yeah. So she has been working with a couple of coaches herself. And one of them, you know, sells millions of dollars a year in sales. And she started to think about this idea of like, what, what would my, you know, what would my coach do in this situation if he was going to make this decision? How would someone who's making millions of dollars in sales make this decision? Right? And so she began to think I need to make decisions as if I am a millions of dollars business owner, right? Because that's where I want to be, right? Which is, be it till you see it, y'all. So she said, there's going to be a gap, however, between where you feel comfortable and where you want to be. And she said, you need to ask yourself, what is my action here? If I were already the person that I'm trying to become what decision would I be making? What's the way that I can sort of step into that new version of myself, even if I'm still scared, because I am still me today. She suggested to picture the person that you want to be or, or the person that you look up to, that already has accomplished the thing that you're trying to accomplish or achieve the thing you're trying to achieve. And then filter your decisions through that lens. So she said also, she's been making some decisions that scare her, because they're out of her comfort zone. She hasn't made decisions like this before. And she said by committing to actions that scare you, you actually force yourself to follow through because you know, if you make a decision and you're like putting everything on the line, you have no choice now, suddenly, right?

Lesley Logan 24:54  

Yeah, it's kind of like when we even I know she hired more team when we are working with her and it's like you hired them and you're paying them do a job so you gotta give them the job to do so it's full steam ahead even if it scares you because 

Brad Crowell 25:06  

You better make enough money to pay everyone you know so yeah. Exactly. What about you?

Lesley Logan 25:12  

Okay I've Danny-J's she said kill your ego and kill the old version of yourself so you can become the person you're meant to be. And I'm like this hard.

Brad Crowell 25:20  

Kill that ego. 

Lesley Logan 25:21  

Danny-J's the hardest to be (inaudible). But she said, because if you cling to your old self, and how people perceive you, it'll hold you back. And people are gonna try to pull you back with your, into your old identity or be critical of your evolution. This happens. This has happened to me as like, I've evolved people like, oh, you're, you're not like this anymore. You're not like this anymore. I'm like, yeah, no, I don't have the time. I'm not doing that anymore. You know, so I cannot do that anymore. And it's you know, and then if you're a people-pleaser, that can be really easy to like, fall back in line, but you got to kill the ego, and kill the old version of yourself. And she said, stop beating yourself up for wanting to change or be different. And I think that's really, really important. It's okay if you want to be different. You just got to do the things you can be different. But she said, in order to be different, you have to be different. Which seems obvious, but guess what, you might forget that you can't just do the same morning routine, same work, same clothes, same friends, and then expect the day to be different, that is the definition of insanity. And she said you have to be able to let go of who you are to become the person you want to be. So go kill your ego, everyone, that is your Be It Action Item from Danny-J.

Brad Crowell 26:30  

I love it. Well, I want to know, actually, I want to know how do you kill your ego?

Lesley Logan 26:37  

I feel like that is the Ego is the Enemy book. And he kind of repeats himself 17 times so I feel like if you listen to the Cliff's Notes version of that, you are totally got it. Um, but yeah, I think that or it's therapy, lots of it, you know, or maybe it's like, honestly, you might not be giving a fuck about what other people think so it might actually be The Suttle Art of Not Giving a F*ck, instead of the Ego is the Enemy.

Brad Crowell 27:04  

That's both great books. 

Lesley Logan 27:06  

Well, one or both of those books was in If Books Could Kill. And to be honest, I think you just need one sentence from each book. And you've got, you've got the whole book, so you don't need to go buy them. You can just like get the Cliff's Notes, I swear. And that is how you're gonna kill your ego, I think, but also, I'd really think it's going to be part of being it until you see it. It's gonna take kill your ego isn't me going back to Jill's and like, what are the things that you'd be doing if you weren't letting your ego drive you (inaudible) things.

Brad Crowell 27:34  

Yeah. And ego creates fear. Ego creates that lack of confidence or the other end of the spectrum, ego creates arrogance, or, you know, short sightedness, blindness, those kinds of things. So, you know, ego covers the whole spectrum. Yeah. All right. Fair enough. All right.

Lesley Logan 27:51  

I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 27:52  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 27:53  

Thank you so much for listening to this episode. I hope you got out of it as much as we did. I hope you loved Danny-J and Jill Coleman as much as we do. They're so fabulous. Go listen to The Best Life podcast. And make sure you share this episode with a friend. That's how the podcast grows. So my big ask of you today is to share this with someone you love or someone who needs to hear it. Please, please, please, pretty please. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 28:14  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 28:16  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 28:44  

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Brad Crowell 28:59  

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Lesley Logan 29:04  

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Brad Crowell 29:08  

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Lesley Logan 29:15  

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Brad Crowell 29:18  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Are you ready to step into that new version of yourself? In this episode, Lesley Logan interviews Danny-J Johnson and Jill Coleman, the voices behind The Best Life podcast, whose unique and inspiring friendship has been a cornerstone of their journey. Discover how they transitioned from fitness industry professionals to influential figures in empowering women as they share their experiences coping with infidelity, applying Jill's "as if" principle, and understanding ego death in leadership. Learn how clinging to your old self and how people perceive you can hold you back. This episode is a masterclass in reclaiming your power.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Danny-J and Jill's friendship and collaboration began.
• The inspiration and struggles behind The Best Life podcast.
• Their gradual transformation and how their audience has evolved.
• Danny's unexpected encounter that led to a new documentary. 
• Insights into maintaining a successful collaboration or partnership.
• How Jill applied the "as if" principle to scale her business.
• How to let go of old identities and overcome the fear of ego death.

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Guest Bio:

Jill & Danny-J both started their careers in the fitness industry as personal trainers then as fitness competitors and cover models. As they soon discovered, modeling doesn’t pay the bills and the hustle can’t last forever, they each turned to online training to buy back some of their time and increase their impact. While, they knew “of” each other online, they finally met in person in 2013 where they learned that their similarities extended past their fitness backgrounds.They were also the same age, had husbands who were the same age…. And, as life goes; they both found out their husbands were having affairs within a year of each other. 

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Episode Transcript:

Danny-J Johnson 0:00  

We were looking at the sunset and she was just like, 'This is so cool we get to be here. This is the best life.' And we're like, yeah, this is. And so the best life really came out of these moments of things can be so hard and we can be going through the most unimaginable things that we can process and yet still find the good in them and still choose to see like this can be the best.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:06  

All right, Be It babes, get ready, because we have some amazing Be It babes, literally, on the pod. And I'm in plural. So I love these two women to the moon and back. I could have done a two-hour interview with them. I could have done two different ones. We might have to have them back just because they're powerful epic women who are extremely, not just vulnerable, but also like integris. And I mean that in that they really do say what they're doing. And they're also not afraid to tell you when they are going to change things because they've actually gone to the transformation themselves. And that's what we're gonna talk about. So they're the host of The Best Life podcast, a podcast I've been listening to since 2019. And they started a couple years before that. Brad actually turned me on. Jill Coleman was one of our coaches for many years. And still someone whose tips and strategies I still think of and use today. She's just amazing. Danny-J has been a great person for me to learn from she has been in coaching sessions that I've done with Jill on Money Mindset and also really helped us with some ideas on a couple of launches that we've been doing and she's just a breath of fresh air with just amazing tips and things for life. So you're going to learn so much from these two women, it's going to be really, really fun. And I hope that you check out their podcast, because if you like this one, you're gonna like that one. And I also want you to know that you are just the most incredible people. Thank you for being here. Holy moly. I can't believe what episode number we're on. We couldn't do without you. So thank you for sharing this podcast with a friend and thank you for being part of the Be It family. And also, more importantly, thank you for being it till you see it each and every day. You're amazing. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

All right, Be It babes. I'm super stoked for this stuff. This finally happened. I've had these two women on my list for quite some time. Part of it was me just like waiting until like, I was a better podcaster. And then it was like I really wanted to just highlight an amazing way. And then life gets really busy. But we finally have these amazing women, Danny-J and Jill Coleman. Thank you all so much for being here. Just a quick little, little thing that I have to say before I have you introduce yourself, you guys. Jill, doesn't even know when we actually first met, but I know when we first introduced, we were introduced to her and we listened to every single thing she taught in a 30-minute little training, wrote it down, ran through her amazingness and then bought a house. So we always said this is the house that Jill built. And then we were introduced to Danny-J because of Jill and her podcast. And I just, I just love Danny J, how you you're so uniquely different than Jill but also like the two of you are two peas in a pod. So I've learned so much from both of you and your amazing personalities. Can you tell everyone, Danny-J first, who you are and what you rock at? And we'll go to Jill. 

Danny-J Johnson 3:52  

Yeah, well, thanks for having us on this. And I know it's been a process to get on the show. Jill and I are both definitely different. But the way in which we're the same is that we don't like to reply to emails or schedule. We had such a challenge to figure out when to make this work. But yeah, so I started in the fitness industry. And that's how Jill and I met, you know, over a decade ago, which is really crazy. And I've had a lot of pivots in the meantime, I think a lot of us who started in the fitness industry go into coaching or personal development or mindset work because I think that when you're working with people in fitness, you realize how much mindset is such a big piece of the journey. And so over the years, I've done that, I've done a lot more public speaking and what, you know, went through some big major life transitions over the last couple of years, not that we all didn't because of the pandemic but so in the meantime, I have just been working on the podcast, doing a little bit more speaking and doing some behind the scenes stuff, coaching other people helping them with launches, and working on a documentary. So that's where I'm at right now.

Lesley Logan 4:56  

You never cease to amaze me with the different things that you do. (inaudible) So, can you tell everyone in case they don't know how amazing you are as well and what you rock at? 

Jill Coleman 5:09  

Yeah, just casually being like, yeah, there's gonna be a documentary about my life. 

Lesley Logan 5:14  

I know. Okay, we'll get into that, but. 

Jill Coleman 5:16  

Yeah, we need to talk about that. Um, yeah, I am so excited to be on this podcast, and I can't wait for the recap. As you know, I love you and Brad, and I am so excited and just honored to be here. And yeah, you and I and Brad have worked together for the last few years on business stuff. And you and I do know that we met at, it was, what, Chris and Laurie Harder's event? You were in Fast Foundations. And I went, and basically, they were like, hey, can you come and teach? What are you excited about? And I was like, Dude, I love talking about launching, and basically talk for like, 90 minutes with a whiteboard, which is on brand for me. And you followed it up, and you guys said, hey, you know, we pretty much implemented your exact this is from like a gist of speaking engagement. Like you guys took it, you ran with it, and you fucking crushed your next launch, which was really awesome. And then that started our relationship. So like, Danny, I was in the fitness industry for a very long time, still have a hand in the fitness industry. But mostly do business coaching at this point, you know, I love fitness, love nutrition, but I feel like I'm a little bit on the outside looking in. If I'm going to a conference, it's a business conference. So I feel like even though I still love health, fitness, wellness, I don't think you can get away from that. If you want to have a successful business you have take care of yourself. But when it comes to what I'm passionate about is really helping fitness and wellness pros build their online business and bringing them online and being able to create the life that they want, have autonomy, flexibility, financial freedom, all that good stuff. 

Lesley Logan 6:33  

Yeah, yeah. You were doing already, obviously, when we met, but it's been cool to see how you've changed that, leveled it up and dialed even deeper into that. Okay, but the two of you together have The Best Life podcast. And I kind of want to start with that just a little bit. Because I've even watched that go through an evolution. What I love about talking about the show is like life isn't very linear. And we have we all change as things go, and you guys have even changed what that podcast focuses on. So can you talk a little bit what The Best Life was when it started and like, and then how that journey has gone?

Danny-J Johnson 7:09  

The Best Life started, so Jill and I had talked about doing a podcast, I think individually and together for a long time I like I think most of us have, probably less I'm just gonna guess that when you first thought about doing a podcast, when you started was probably a big gap of time, at least for I'd say it was like a couple years. And I think it was like, what do we talk about what kind of podcast and Jill and I went through some big stuff. We were both married. We, I think how Jill and I became really good friends was this we, we met in 2013 at an event. And I remember having this cup, we went to dinner, we knew of each other, we went to dinner. And I remember we were talking and we just kept saying me too, me too. Like, I just felt like we were living these parallel lives. We were the same age, oor husbands were the same age, we were doing, we were both in fitness. And then we both kind of went to coaching fitness entrepreneurs. And we decided to meet up in Vegas. And we I thought we would have like a little couples trip and she said, hey, let's just meet as girls. And she shared that her husband had had an affair and they were separating. And I remember just thinking how could anyone have an affair with Jill as their wife like she's gorgeous and smart and attractive. And she could share? You know her thoughts on that. But literally, I think it was eight months later, same thing happened to me. And I was really embarrassed to talk about it. And she had called me and I, finally, she was the first person I told. And she said, you know, come stay with me in California. And I was like, are you serious? Because I remember thinking I don't know where I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go have to live with my parents or something I didn't know what to do. And so I moved out to Los Angeles, stayed on her couch for a month. And we were both just kind of rebuilding our life and going through one of the hardest times we had been, been through together. And we had this moment we were sitting on her balcony in Santa Monica, we were drinking wine. And I'm sure crying, at least I was. And we were looking at the sunset. And she was just like, "This is so cool we get to be here. This is the best life." And we're like, "Yeah, this is." And so The Best Life really came out of these moments of things can be so hard and we can be going through the most unimaginable things that we can process and yet still find the good in them and still choose to see like this can be the best. And we had some of the best times during that time. We laughed and we went through some crazy things. But the best life really was about that. And we shared that story about the affairs in our first two episodes. And we just kind of looked at each other and said if this helps one person feel less alone and like we did then we want to keep doing it. And so it started as being able to share those kinds of stories, helping people feel less alone, just sharing our journey. Of course, the first few years of The Best Life were us being single and going through crazy dating, and now we're both in long-term relationships. And so that's really changed, but I think the overall arching theme of The Best Life has still been helping people feel less alone, going through life transitions, how to look at them differently and change your perspective. And so that part, I think hasn't changed.

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Yeah. 

Jill Coleman 10:12  

Yeah. I'm like, why am I tearing up on YouTube about that story? We had talked about the podcast for a while. And then but we were kind of like, we don't really know what to talk about at this time. Like, I feel like, people talk a lot more now about infidelity. And, you know, we have some friends who have like huge platforms who have since talked about being cheated on and going through infidelity and betrayal. But when Danny and I started in 2017, it like, wasn't like, it was kind of taboo to talk about, it was like, kind of embarrassing, you know, especially with us, two people who had audiences. And both of our ex-husbands were a kind of a big part of our brand, too. So there was this feeling of like, you know, can I do this alone? Or, like, you know, how does this look, you know, Danny had her ex-husband at some of our products. So it was like, so being able to share that we see a lot more of that now. But we never wanted to be a show, or we never wanted to be coaches that help people like marriage counseling, that wasn't our thing we weren't like, because we do get people who say like, should I say or go and we're like, dude, like, above my price with my written pay grade, right? Like, that was never the thing. So we always took the angle of look, this stuff is happening in your life, you can't control what your spouse does your partner does what other people in your life are doing, but you can always control what you decide to do and what you decide to make of it. And I think that really was the idea that you have a locus of control and a time in your life, whether it's any kind of loss doesn't have to necessarily be betrayal, any kind of loss, you have this, you have something you can do, you can still be in your power. You know, Danny moving to LA, probably one of the hardest times of her entire life. But she action that, she could have stayed in Utah, and like, you know, when I talked to her she's driving around and like crying in parking lots. I was like, what are you doing? You know, she she could have easily just tried to stay, she could have tried to like, you know, work on it. And you know, she did to a certain degree, but her ex was very clear about how he didn't want to work on it at that time. So, you know, she was able to action something, even in a time when she felt was completely betrayed. It wasn't her fault. And I felt the same way. And so I think for us, it's always been about like, that thing happened to you. And it fucking sucks. And that person might be an asshole, or whatever. But there's always something else that you can do. And so we've always focused on moving forward taking action, taking ownership, taking responsibility, what is that next version of you look like? And so yeah, I love that you said the best life has evolved because it certainly has we, you know, we're not going out drinking until like two in the morning, every six days a week like we were doing just trying to like cope and laugh and get through it. We had this one saying that for like about two years, we're just like, what else are you gonna do? You know, you're going through some of the hardest time in your life, you just, you do what you can. And so, you know, Danny hasn't even been drinking for the last 18 months, you know. So it's like, we've completely shifted, what our focuses is and I've definitely doubled down a lot more in business in the last several years. So it just evolved. And we've been able to luckily bring our audience along for that ride. 

Lesley Logan 13:06  

Yeah, I guess like, I would love to chat a little bit about that evolution, because I think a lot of people don't make changes, because they're like, what are people going to think? What are people going to say? And obviously, like, you already went through that with talking about the infidelity and talking about being single. But did people struggle as you guys got into relationships? Did you guys even like hesitate on sharing some of the transformations as the podcast was already going, because I feel like a lot of people, they know what they want to do. But they're that taking that next step where they could disappoint people is really the hardest thing to do.

Danny-J Johnson 13:39  

I think transformation sometimes is really slow and gradual. So you don't notice. Like I don't think we got into our relationships thinking they were going to be five, six years later. So you know, we were dating, thinking, H guy was next. And so I think that it's been I know that there was one review that said something about how we were different. And maybe we were just checking the boxes, and I think there was a time around when my mom passed away, where we had kind of, we'd pulled off and just by necessity, right, I just wasn't there mentally and, and then we got back to it. And it was a little bit slow going. And it has changed. But I think our audience changes too, like Jill and I started over a decade ago. So we're not the same 25-year-olds and we're, our audiences ain't either so I think they also expect that and they probably, a bigger audience, if they haven't changed too, they leave and new people come in and so we don't really notice that as much and to be honest, it's not like we can be the same and I don't think we should I mean, I can't I'm not single-just-divorced Danny and neither is Jill and we probably shouldn't be that and if we are then we're not really a personal development guest.

Lesley Logan 14:54  

Right. Right. 

Jill Coleman 14:55  

Yeah, and not that you need to like necessarily be in a relation on that not the next evolution but I also think, you know, people follow The Best Life not because Danny and I are like the expert at everything, they follow it because it's good listening. And it's fun. And it's two girlfriends, you know, kind of processing stuff, a lot of times, we'll be on an episode. And it started out being about this thing. And then all of a sudden, it's evolved into like this. And before I know it, like one of us is crying and like, and that we're having this really vulnerable conversation. And so I don't know that people are like, oh, yeah, Jill and Danny are experts at whatever, you know. But they will like to listen, because it's a good conversation because oftentimes, we challenge each other and we don't agree on everything. So I think there's, it's just like conversations you would have with your girlfriends, every I would say probably 80% of our reviews for the podcast, say something like, I feel like I'm just hanging in the living room with my girlfriends and chatting. And so we've never tried to say, I think our even our tagline is like, real, raw, sometimes insightful, like, we're not always, you know, go to Huberman or go to like us, he's not, he's a little bit canceled, but like, go to someone else, right, if you want the research studies and shit like that. That's never really been our style. Our style has been just like real and raw. And that's what people tell us. So. 

Lesley Logan 16:03  

Yeah, I, thank you for sharing that. And I do think you're right, Danny-J, like, transformation does happen slowly, sometimes, like, we'll go through that journey with you. And it's kind of it's the rare person who maybe they were listening for a while, and then they popped in like they've changed like, that might, might be the thing. I want to get into, so, Danny-J, you've you've done a fitness, and then in coaching, and then finance coaching, and now you've a documentary. So can we chat a bit about because I think, you know, you, to me are such a permission giver of really following what your heart is saying and like what you're drawn to. And, you know, my perfectionist overachievers, who are listening, they're like I said, I was gonna do it like this, I'm gonna do it like this. And I, maybe you do it like that. But I feel like you're like, no, I, this is how I'm gonna do it, I feel you just give me a lot of permission to kind of just go a different way. So can you talk a little about how you got to what you're doing now in this documentary? 

Danny-J Johnson 16:55  

Yeah, sometimes I feel mad at myself for not just sticking to one thing, because like my friend, Cassie, she's the brand blog allottees. And I remember looking at her maybe five or six years ago, and I was like, Man, if I just stuck with Sweaty Betties, which was my fitness brand, for longer, I would be a lot more successful if I just stayed there. But I had these, and every single time it's been a moment of just, I cannot do this thing anymore. And it's like some physical feeling in my body that I just can't stand whatever it is. And that, like the Sweaty Betties moment, I was actually at an orphanage and there was a very, very specific moment where I was hungry. And there was nothing to eat and someone brought us these peanut butter sandwiches made with Wonder Bread. And I was like, I had two simultaneous thoughts as one, I'm not going to eat those kinds of carbs. And two, I think I was like, I can't believe that I am seeing that shit right now, when I'm in an orphanage with all these starving kids. And that's all they get. And so I had this like, holy shit moment of, wow, I'm so privileged that I can choose what kind of carbs I'm going to eat. And this is like all there is to eat at the moment. And so I came home, really, really like having this inner dialogue of, I have so many clients that are like, can I eat this? Can I eat this and I'm like, you're so lucky, you get to have the choice to eat whatever you want, like get over yourself. And so I stopped doing meal plans really shortly after that. And I started to really focus on just what was behind that. It was like, okay, I noticed I attracted a lot of binge-eating clients. And it was like, it's not really what you're eating. It's what's eating you. And so I got really into what was the deeper stuff. Now to use the word trauma is a little more like, I guess, the trendy thing, but it's like, what are the traumas behind that? What are the things that you're processing that are making you overeat? And so that really intrigued me. So did like success, mindset and mindset stuff started to intrigue me. And so I started to shift started to talk about it, but it was kind of gradual, I'd have these kind of conversations online, and people would either jump in on it or not. But I found that the conversations I was having other people were maybe having these insights at the same time. So it turned into another gradual thing. When I look back. I'm like, how did I get from here? Like I was an acrobat at SeaWorld to what I'm doing now. And there's no linear line. But as I look back to each of the like little steps in the conversations in between, it does make sense how it's evolved. The pandemic was a big one. You know, none of us saw that coming. None of us saw how things would shift. But again, it brought up things for all of us to kind of contemplate. There were conversations that were being had about racism and privilege and things that I hadn't concerned myself with before. And that shifted a lot of the ways I think, and the ways I show up. And so how we got to the documentary, was this completely random and also on brand as Jill would say, I was in a bathroom at the Ritz Carlton, Jeff and I just went to go hang out and kind of work there. We were visiting in Orange County and met this woman in the bathroom and she complimented my hair. And about two and a half years ago, I lost a ton of hair. So I was wearing it, it was really thin, and I was really embarrassed. So I bought a halo like, it's an expensive headpiece like extra hair. And she goes, your hair is so pretty, and me, I can't take a compliment. That's not true. So I was like, thank you, but it's not my hair. And I literally pulled it off and showed her that I had this fake hairpiece on. So she started laughing. And I told her where to get it. And I was like, oh, I'll send you a link. So I got her phone number and sent her this link to get the hair. And she was probably in her 60s. Or like 50s. And I don't know how it came about but I, she somehow got a hold of my TED Talk. And my TED Talk was in 2021. And I share a lot about my life story. I was pregnant in high school, and I was suicidal. And she watched it and she text me and she said she saw this and she wanted to do a documentary on me. And I Googled her found out she's like this documentarian and she lives in Beverly Hills. She happened to be in Orange County at the Ritz for lunch with her friends. And I said, okay, and I didn't really take her seriously because I've dealt with Hollywood and TV people before. And nothing ever comes of it. But a few months later, she had me come out to our house and do some filming. A couple months after that, she flew to Vegas to do some filming. We're doing some filming in two weeks. And I talked to her and she's like, I want to get this done and have it out and ready for film festivals by 2025. So she's like, on it. And she's a legit person, she's won a lot of awards, and she wants to enter this into to, the film festivals. So it's really gonna be based loosely on my life, which is, I have an interesting story with family and my, I came from a sperm donor, and I placed my daughter for adoption. And so I don't even know the storyline of the documentary, but I know it's just gonna be based, based loosely on my life and like familial and bloodlines and that kind of thing.

Lesley Logan 22:08  

That's so random. And also, it makes a lot of sense that it's everything to you. And I love these, I love those random moments. The other day, I went floating, and every time I float, my hair rarely gets wet. And so I don't really spend the time to shower and wash my hair because it's, it's a lot, not complaining, very blessed. But it would be, I would, the person after me is going to take, is gonna be half an hour late, like it's just going to take time. So I was like, oh, it's a little wet. So I rinsed it just like in the bun and just like rinsed where I thought the salt water hit. And I get out and my hair is like dripping wet. And I'm like, but it's not wet, right? Like it's just like a little section. It's like dripping wet. So I like did it again. I'm trying to dry it in a rush trying to get out and Brad's like there is so much salt in your hair. Like you're like what has happened? I was like, I don't know, I've rinsed like I did a little rinse and normally it doesn't get wet. At any rate, we called five different salons to do a hair wash. None of them were available. Went to Great Clips. I can't believe I was gonna say that. I was like, I called the guy, I'm like, but they can't ruin it, right? If they just wash it. I said, yeah, I'm like, I'll be there in three minutes. I walked in, like you have to wait and I'm like, I have a plane to catch. I've salt down my hair. So Brad's like, I'm gonna find someone, calls another salon. He said, we're gonna have lunch and you're gonna have your hair washed this place in an hour. I was like, okay, drops me off. And he realizes he left his computer, left his computer at The True Food. We're having lunch, and we're in Nashville. So he goes to get his computer. And he's like, hey, just walk over. I'm at this restaurant next door. And I was like, all right, it was not our plan, was not all we had planned for that day, we're gonna do (inaudible) a the airport, and I go there and this guy sits down next to us. And we're there for half an hour and a woman walks by and she's like, your hair is so beautiful. Now it just got washed. I didn't even let them blow it out. Like, this was like, I gotta go. And I was like, oh, thank you so much. And then the guy next to next to us. He says a compliment. We start talking. He had just lost his wife two weeks ago. He's like looking for a place to live. He's trying to change his life. It was the most weird thing that it's been to soon it has been one week since it happened so I have no idea it's gonna come from him. I'm like, there. We were supposed to be there for him that day, or there's something coming from this because you don't call four salons just to get a hair wash and end up leaving a computer at True Food and meeting a random person for nothing. But I find people tend to get a rush and realize things are happening and they shouldn't be doing it. And they don't take the time to have those little moments. So I love hearing what came from that. Jill, I'm sure it's not been linear either. But I feel like you know you were in fitness and then you're a fitness business and you really have been like going down the fitness business as you said. Also, though, I remember a time when you're like I like my business has been me and a couple of people and I got to watch you change that. And so I want to hear more about that because you are one of the first people after I did this podcast I heard you talk about the as-if principle and I feel like you really live by that and Be it till you see it. It's kind of that as-if principle. So can you talk about that transformation there? 

Jill Coleman 25:05  

Yeah, I will say it has been like fairly linear. So similar to Danny having a fitness brand, and realizing and I hate this word because it's so trendy, but like realizing that mindset is just such a huge piece of the fitness transformation. And really, really just me getting out of the obsessive sort of dieting, I just felt out of my integrity, like giving people meal plans, and it's similar to Danny. So people within a couple of years of me starting Jill Fit in 2010 I was still working full time. But within a couple of years, people were like, how are you doing what you're doing? And I was like, well, I don't really know. But I guess I can like help you if you want to start a blog. So it kind of just started like that. And then over the years, I started finding myself just feeling way more interested in learning business than continuing to learn fitness and nutrition. And I still obviously value that. But I started really just going down the business rabbit hole, and it kind of became just this personal brand. I mean, you know, where it was more of a lifestyle, people were like, oh, Jill's fitness business, like it kind of was this big, you know, sort of melting pot of a lot of different things. But in in that at that point, especially going through divorce, infidelity moving across the country. One of the things that I realized during that time was that while I didn't have control over what my spouse was doing, what he was thinking, what he was going through, I always had control over my business. Like, you know, I had control over this thing. If I worked harder, I made more money. If I got better at it, I made more money, I was able to financially leave my marriage. And that became a huge why for me, because a lot of women want to leave their marriage if they're going through something like that, but can't financially. So I remember when I decided to leave. In 2015, I was driving across country from North Carolina to a new place I had gotten in Los Angeles and the first night I was, and I've told this story on the podcast, but the first night I was in St. Louis and it was like the worst day of my life. I left it like five in the morning, said goodbye to my husband at the time, and was like literally just going to start a new life. I drove 16 hours, like no radio, no music, like, I was crying the whole time pretty much, get to St. Louis, like nine o'clock at night. And I remember being like, God, this is the worst fucking day like this is the shittiest day in my life. If I can even find five things to be grateful for on the shittiest day, then this isn't that bad. And it was tough. But I was like, yeah, and all of it was front it was all forward facing it was like everyone I'm going to meet in Los Angeles, the opportunities that are going to be there what I can do with my business. And one of them was the fact that I was financially secure enough to be able to leave and not only leave, but moved to Los Angeles, where the rent is crazy, and, and all that kind of stuff. So for me, that started this whole feeling of like, this is the why in my business, we work mostly with women. So I'm like, this is where the business coaching ties in. So I don't want to be your divorce, you know, coach, this, I want to be your personal development coach, I want to be that person who gives you a life raft, when you're in that moment where you need to make shit happen. And so for me that really kind of started that trajectory. But to your point, those first few years in L.A., single dating for the first time since I was 18. So you know, I'm like, I remember first, first time getting on a dating app. I downloaded like Tinder or something. And I literally thought people could see me like I was like, like, I was kinda like, can they see me right now? I just have no idea. So. So (inaudible) I'm like, what are they seeing right now? So a year later, of course, Danny moved out. And then you know, for a year we just kind of fogged around, we were still working at the time, but we were trying to figure shit out. And so for me, the business was not my priority. I was like, well, we just have this thing going over here making enough money to keep it going. But it really wasn't my passion at that time. But then pandemic hit. And at the beginning of the pandemic, it was such a strange time for online business owners because I was thinking, shit we're, we're not gonna make this. No one have any money. No one can buy coaching. You know, like all these like sort of luxury, you know, purchases are going to be out the door. The opposite happened for me. So within, I would say, six to 12 months, by early 2021, I was up to my eyeballs in one-on-one coaching. And I had never wanted to start a business where I would just be another quote personal trainer, but be online and bbe on Zoom for eight hours a day. I was like on Zoom like eight hours a day, four days a week. And I remember saying to myself, Jill, you're just right back in the gym, like this is just a different version. And at that point, I realized that I needed to scale and I needed to figure this out. I had always been just go go go go go. I had to slow down. And you know, what's the phrase like take a step back, take two steps forward. And at that point, yeah, we started growing the team and I started to really just like stepping into leadership and you're referring to the as-if principle which is actually a book by Richard Wiseman. I love this book so much. And at that time, I was like alright, if I want a different business model, and at the time my mentor was James Wedmore. He's still my mentor. But I remember I went to an event and he was speaking at it, it was our first mastermind event, and he was talking about his journey to, he has a $12-million business, but he's talking about his journey from and he's explaining all the things he does. And I'm like, this guy has the exact same business model as me. Like he does courses, he does coaching, he does group offers, he does, you know, all these kinds of things. The only difference is he's made different decisions. Although that he's not smarter than me. He's maybe doing it a little bit longer than me, but the only difference is he's made different decisions. So I was like, it's like, you know, if you think about his all same ingredients, he just has, you know, a wedding seven tiered wedding cake, and I got an easy bake oven cake, right? It's, it's sugar, butter, flour, like all the same things. Why couldn't I do that? For the next year or two, I made all of my decisions based on what would the $10 million business owner do? What would the seven-figure business owner do in this situation? So in that way, that's how I just went through and made decisions. And I didn't like making some of those decisions. So it was like, would a seven-figure business owner invest here or not? Yeah, they probably would. Would they hire someone and go through that? Yeah, they probably would. Would they outsource? Would they trust someone with this? Yeah, they probably would. Would they step into leadership here and have the conversation? Yeah, they probably would. And so I had to sort of project all of these things that I wasn't comfortable doing yet. But realizing that that next version of me would do that. And so I just made the decision based on that. And of course, you know, like, within a year, we were at seven figures and in scaling sense. So it works. 

Lesley Logan 31:26  

Thank you for sharing that. Because that is I think it's really easy for people go, oh, they can do it. I can't do it. Like it's easier for them. And, and I love that you sat there like no, actually, we just made different decisions. Because I have, we all have the same ingredients. And so that's it's been it's been really, it's been really fun to watch. I've also benefited from, from your amazing education information, like Brad and I still like use everything that you've taught us in our business. And we almost hit seven figures last year, like so close, so close, which is, it's just amazing to be able to say that, especially with what has been going on the last four years, it's even now how we can grow our business is very different than 2020, it was much easier, we'll say it felt easier. Anyways, even though it was like scared to death. Okay, so, ladies, what are you most excited about right now, because I feel like you, you both have the best life that you get to do together, but you have these other projects that you're doing apart. And first of all, it takes a really great communicative relationship to like be able to keep coming together. I feel like it would've been really easy for you guys to have quit your your co-projects several times. So what are you most excited about right now?

Danny-J Johnson 32:37  

I actually want to touch on that. Because we have we've had, of course over the years, you know, people who want to do business coaching and or who we have business coach and who want to do a podcast and we've had, and even an episode on people who've asked us should I have a podcast partner? And both Jill and I have answered this no. Which is hilarious, because it's been such an amazing thing for us. But I think we know that what we have is really unique. But we're also very open in like Jill has her, her brand and her business, I have mine. And we have also chosen to make this work. And it's not easy. It's not easy to make two schedules come together. It's not easy to like I don't live in L.A. anymore. There's a lot of changes that have happened in both of our businesses and our personal lives and, and sometimes when you work with a partner and I had a business partner when I started this Sweaty Betties, and I was really excited about the brand. And I had a big vision for where I wanted to go. And she was not on board with that. And then she went through some personal stuff and it fell apart. And that broke my heart. And that was one thing that I remember thinking I never want to go in business with anyone again. And so this has been a really conscious, for lack of a better word, like conscious relationship, Jill and I had. And just having the communication of going. And one thing that's great about our partnership in this is we pick up the slack when the other person has something going on, you know, and we've, we've also been really flexible with how The Best Life looks. We've gone, like, we don't always have to be on the same episode. We can have solo episodes, we can have one person interviewing and the other person not show up. And so that flexibility has allowed us to be consistent because the hardest thing and you I'm sure you've seen this with podcasting is consistency, to show up every week and to publish every week is really freaking hard, especially when it's not like openly making money or there's not a direct payoff. It takes a long time and it takes a lot of momentum to get going. So it's funny that we say not to have a partner when we I think we have probably one of the most ideal partnerships when it comes to working together. But to be honest, what I'm most excited about is just the fact that I'm fucking excited about anything again. I had a really rough couple of years. My mom passed away and then I went through some robberies and I really like got stuck in an interesting place. I would honestly say a lot of it was PTSD. And I, I recently started some ketamine therapy about two months ago. And I got on with a, I did like this integration session, which I didn't expect anything out of honestly, I've done a ton of therapy, I have a lot of different therapists. And so this was some lady that I don't know what her qualifications were. And I was kind of just rolling my eyes. But she made an interesting reflection back to me, when I was sharing about some things. And I, she said, I was in a deep freeze in there's fight, flight or freeze, right? When you go through, you know, different things. And I was like, yes, it felt like the most real thing she said, because I was really struggling with feeling stuck. And I've always been a person who can take action to do something. And yet, I felt like I couldn't move. Like I couldn't make decisions. I couldn't, I didn't have any thoughts in my fucking brain. And it was really, really upsetting to me, because the person who I know myself to be would do something, and yet, I felt like I couldn't do anything. And I was very, very stuck. And so I feel like I've been moving out of that taking baby steps, finally, feeling like I have some momentum. And so there's not anything in particular I'm excited about, I'm just like, excited that I feel like I have some momentum again. I'm definitely excited about the documentary, but I am kind of tampering my expectations on that. It's just something on the side. But I have been learning a lot the last couple of years, you know, working with different people on the back end. And so I've been really proud of myself on what I've learned and what I've built some where I haven't been as front-facing. And so yeah, I'm just excited. I'm excited to be excited again.

Lesley Logan 36:40  

I think that's that's actually a really cool thing to be xcited about, you know, so thank you for sharing that. I think a lot of people put pressure on themselves to be excited about one particular thing. So that's really cool. I have a girlfriend, who's an incredible doctor, who does ketamine therapies, and it is incredible what can happen. I'm glad you went with someone, I had a friend who tried to do it on her own. Don't do it on your own guys. With facilitator. Jill, what about you? 

Jill Coleman 37:06  

So one of the things I'm excited about. So I know this is a little bit counterintuitive, but most of the stuff that I do talk about and that I'm excited about is the business stuff, especially at the leadership, I remember going to look at business owners who have like 10 people on their team. And I'm like, that's the worst. Like, I want to just go to Australia for a month and no one bother me and do all these meetings on my schedule. And of course, then I decided to scale. And now we have nine-person team. But I really gotten excited about stepping into that role. I think for a long time, I really loved being a solopreneur and being able to go from idea to implementation in like a couple of hours. And you know, we can still do that to a certain degree. But, you know, I have someone who's like, the head of operations in the company is like, hey, I need this thing. And I'm like, what are you talking about? That's in two weeks, like, what, what, like, I used to just do that right before I would do it. So it's definitely forcing me to step up as a leader. And when it comes to entrepreneurship, I know that a lot of people are like, it's so crazy, it's so chaotic, you never know what's gonna happen, or like, they feel like it's really risky. I've never been someone who has taken a lot of risks, to be honest. Like, even when I left my corporate job, I still pretty much was able to, like, just replace what I was making in person with my online business. So I was never that person who's like, I want to sleep on my friend's couch for six months, while I'm getting it. Like I've never been that person, I was like, I need to have cash on the side, I need to have plenty of, you know, savings and stuff like that. But one of the things I'm really excited about is we've just been talking about (inaudible) the business, if we really want to scale, right, like if we want to scale, for example, James went from 2 million to 10 million in a year. And I'm like how, though, like, how did that even happen, like logistically? And I don't think that it's possible to think your way to that level of scale. I think you have to input something different. And this is where the person development side of business comes in. Who am I showing up as? Right? Like, what am i What's the block that we were talking before we turn on the mic about the big leap? I think one of the big things that I'm sort of going through personally is just like what does the next version of Jill look like? Because the next version of Jill, the JillFit will just be the effect of that it will just be the result of me stepping into a new level of leadership. And so that's really what I'm focused on this year is like, what does that look like? And I might have to get uncomfortable again, one of the things that I love that Brendon Burchard says he says some success is the biggest deterrent to more success. So I think it's really easy. When you have a level of success, you're like I'm good here. It's harder to be like, why would I want to get uncomfortable again? And so I think for me, it's not going to be a logistical like okay, just more ad spend, a little more ad spend. But it can't just be that it's going to have to be a massive, you know, ego death, it's going to have to be a massive shift. And so that's really what I think I'm sort of up against and I've been a little bit reluctant to go there. But I think that's the only way that we sort of that I can get to the next level of business. It's not going to be about more ad spend doing the same thing, just doing it more it's going to be a completely different version. 

Lesley Logan 39:57  

Yeah, I understand that. I was realizing I wasn't loving, like, the business has grown but where I was in this little leader and Brad's the CEO of our company, but like, as the visionary person, I wasn't actually spending a lot of time in the vision of the future. And so I was feeling very stuck. And I was looking at my schedule it's like, well, of course, I'm stuck. I'm working with the schedule that I had with the business that we had. And we've grown it and I, this schedule has to change. And so I was calling it my dream schedule. And my, one of the coaches we've worked with, Corinne, was like, so you believe dreams come true. And so you can call it a dream schedule, because you believe dreams come true. But if your team doesn't believe that, then they might think this is something far off in the future. So you might want to change the word. So I said, this is my intentional schedule, and I expect it to be in place as soon as possible. And it completely shifted how they implemented it. And it's been really exhausting. I feel like every team meeting is about my schedule, it starts to feel like a little narcissistic. But the thing is, is that if my schedule can't allow me to step into the person I have to be as the leader, then I can't change the business. I can't, it's not. And I know it sounds so like simple as like, let's say the schedule, but it's true. It's like how I spend my time will affect the business. And so it has to be that so we're, I'm in a similar ego death, and it's the most uncomfortable. It's not fun. I just like sometimes I'm like, maybe I should just go back to teaching. Okay, I really would love to talk to girls forever. And I wish we could have a Vegas party. Brad was like, I have to sell this. I said, oh, I have an interview with Brad and Danny-J tomorrow, he's like, oh, are they coming over? And I was like, I was like, babe, I was like, we don't really do in-person podcasts, so no, but I guess they could have if they both were here. He was a little disappointed that you weren't coming to the house. So we're gonna take a brief break and then find out where people can find you, follow you and work with you. 

Lesley Logan 39:57  

All right, ladies, where can they listen to The Best Life? Where can they follow each of you? 

Danny-J Johnson 41:46  

Oh, my gosh, best life. They go to thebestlifepodcast.com all our episodes are there, of course on all of the platforms, Spotify, and on iTunes and I don't know where else you would listen to podcasts. But wherever else you would. I'm sure we're there and Instagram @thebestlifepodcast and then personally, I am @dannyjdotcom, on Instagram, that's probably the best way to find me, it's D-A-N-N-Y (like a boy) -J-D-O-T-C-O-M. 

Jill Coleman 42:10  

Yeah, and so same thing, The Best Life podcast, on Instagram, I will say like, we do me Monday. So if you guys love memes, they're always relatable. Make sure you're following The Best Life podcast then on Instagram I'm JillFit and then just jillfit.com, JillFit in all the places. 

Lesley Logan 42:25  

Okay. Y'all go follow, I promise you I love, I love both. All of your personal Instagrams and The Best Life brings me so much joy. Okay, so bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. This is those inspirational but the actionable things people can do. What do you have for us?

Danny-J Johnson 42:46  

Go ahead, Jill. 

Jill Coleman 42:47  

Oh, I gotta go first this time. Yeah, so actually, I mean, if people are really into this, and I'm sure you've mentioned this before, but the as-if principle for sure. Like that's like, that really is my Bible. Because here's the deal. And you know, this, if you listen to this podcast with Lesley, you get it that there's going to be a gap between where you feel comfortable and where you know, you need to go. And I'm a very, like, logical person. So for me, I'm always just like, okay, what's the what's the action item here? What's the way that I can sort of step into that new version of myself, even when I'm still scared? And really picturing so for me, it's Oprah like that, just like I always go, like, what would Oprah do, like, so think about the person that either you want to become or the person you look up to who has the, the quote-unquote, success that you want, and really sort of filter your decisions through what you believe that they would do. And so for me, that's made all of the difference. So that actually closes the gap. And sometimes I'll make a decision and like, run away into a corner, like hide, because I'm like, Oh, God, I just said I was going to do that. But I put myself on the hook. And what happens when you put yourself on the hook to do things that are scary, is you watch yourself actually do them and go through the scariest part, and then you get through it. And then you have now a show of evidence that you can do hard things, and it boosts your self-efficacy. And then you can do more hard things because you have a show of evidence that you got through and you survived. And so I think there's something really important about people he's talking about get out of your comfort zone. It's like, cool, but how. And to me, this has been a very tactical step and a very tactical way to look at like, how do you get out of your comfort zone? If you want a different reality, right, you need to change to change. And so for me, that's been so simple, not always easy, by the way. But especially in business, I would say this is the easiest thing. You know, when it comes to health and fitness. I think we if we try to do it in health and fitness, it's like, what would that fit person do? They'd go to the gym. And I'm like, yeah, it doesn't have the same excitement to me. I'm like, yeah, I know. I know they would but like, but in business, you have to figure out like, where do you want to go? And for me, like that's the vision is like, I really want to step into leadership, not because I, for me, part of the reason of scaling the business was because I wanted a new skill set like I was I've been doing this thing for a long time. And so I think if you truly want that next level version, you can't just wish and hope and think and dream and make the vision board, you got to actually take inspired action. And so this has been a very simple way for me to do that. 

Lesley Logan 45:46  

Yeah, that's good. 

Danny-J Johnson 45:11  

I don't really have anything to add, except I want to just kind of tack this on to everything Joe said, and something you guys both mentioned was the ego death, I think when we are attached to who we were, or to how people are used to seeing us, like you had asked early on, were you scared when we had an evolution are we afraid that people are going to, you know, pull us back into that box or get mad that we've changed, you gotta let go of that on yourself, right, you're beating yourself up for wanting to change or be different, you have to be different. So that as-if principle is beautiful, like, who would the person be, and that person might be someone else who's not who you are right now. And you have to be able to let go of who you are to become the person you want to be. So that ego death is big, and it can be painful, and it can be scary. But in order to be different, you have to be different. And you got to let go. So kill your ego and kill the old version of yourself. So you can be the person you're meant to be or you want.

Jill Coleman 46:05  

You also need to like own it, too, you know, Danny and, like, shared on the podcast that, you know, it's humbling to share that you're the person who you love the most in the world cheated on you. Like, that's very humbling. But in order for us to be able to talk about that publicly, we had to be, get right with it. Right, we had to get right with it. Because then we're not available for the peanut gallery. We're not available for people to say, well, did you work on it enough like and just everything that people want to say. And it's like, we got it. So I think there is a lot of personal development that has to happen. If you do want to shift because you go, I'm actually good. And I'm also good with this next version. And so you own it, and then you can step into it a lot easier. Does that make sense? So like, you know, for us, I wasn't going to talk about my husband's affair until I knew what the fuck, I thought about it, you know, and so I think I see people online, maybe sharing too soon, or maybe just sharing for likes or attention or whatever. I think that if you're ready to take on that new version of you, you have to get right with it first, if you're constantly having to justify your choices to other people, person who needs the most justification is you, like you're still not on board with it. And so I think stepping into that next level, you have to be okay, like Danny said, just shedding that previous version. And people online may see you as that person still. And you gotta be like, cool, bye. 

Lesley Logan 47:23  

Yeah, thank you both for saying that. Tiffany Haddish wrote in her book, because she does a lot of comedy about her life. And she did a joke about her mom, and somebody heckled at her said something it was on stage. And she felt like, anger, sadness, some seven, she realized she's like, I'm not right with that yet. So anything I talk about on stage, I better be right with otherwise, the peanut gallery is gonna get me. And if I'm right with it, it doesn't really matter what they say. Because, like, they don't matter to me, right? And so yeah, it's, it's, it's a very interesting thing. It's hard to do. I remember, you know, when I was homeless and year, well, it's not 11 years, it's kind of crazy. I don't want to tell anybody that was like couchsurfing. And tell. I got to figure out like, what I was going through, what I needed to do, what I need to change. And now when I talk about it, it's like, it doesn't matter if anyone were to say anything. It's like, look, that was one of the things my life came from was the best thing that ever happened for me. But at the time, if anyone had said anything to me, I would have probably ran back to my ex. Because he did say I could live there. And I was like, I'm not living there. So I've had to keep it private, so that I could protect myself in that transition that transformation. Ladies, I fucking love you both so much. You bring me so much joy. I think about you a ton and the true Aquarius I am I think about you in my head and don't always tell you, so just know you are on my heart and my mind often. Thank you so much for being here. Everyone, please make sure you follow Jill and Danny and The Best Life. Take a listen wherever you listen to this podcast and share this with a friend, share with a friend who needs to hear it. You know, that is one of the best ways we can help people it's just like giving them that little nudge of the thing that they were talking about. We could be the ad based on the conversation you're already having. So give that give that a share. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 49:09  

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Lesley Logan 49:38  

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Brad Crowell 49:53  

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Brad Crowell 50:03  

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Lesley Logan 50:10  

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Brad Crowell 50:13  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe. Welcome back. Welcome back to the inspiration station. You know, the thing that gives you some ideas of what could be possible wins on a week that might have just felt like a lot. And it's summertime. When the heat is up, it can just feel like a lot. Am I right? Okay, so how this episode goes, if you're new to the Be It pod, we actually share some wins of yours that you sent in, a win of mine and a mantra. Our interviews are on Tuesdays, our recaps are on Thursdays, listen to them all. They're a lot of fun. There's like incredible guests that are coming up as well and share it with a friend. I was gonna ask you now. I am practicing asking for more help things. More helpful things. And one of those things that would be really helpful for me is if you share our podcast with a friend, that's how we get new listeners. So, please don't keep it to yourself. That would not be fair. 

Lesley Logan 1:36  

Okay. So here we go. The first one up is from Melissa Capitano. Oh, she is an eLevate grad, an agency member. I'm just so excited for this. Here we go. Not sure I've posted a win before but one of my goals is to be better in Slack and I figured wins is a great place to start. An early FYF, got a free course from Tanya Dalton, read her book for Book Club, need to listen to her pod episode. Anyway, she has this idea of five-minute miracle so I printed out the worksheet. I've been doing the five minutes before I leave work each night this week. That is so cool. I love that. We had Tanya Dalton on the pod, everyone. She is a great, great author. And so, definitely, listen to her episode. Agency members read her book. JOMO, which is like the joy of missing out, last month. So more for Melissa. Here we go. This lady just walked into the studio. She said she's never been in but is on our email list. I'm looking forward to my weekly emails. She came in to buy a gift certificate for her and her friend to do a private together, paid cash and didn't want change. Wow. I've been writing weekly emails for two years and three months. Definitely a long game. But this is your reminder to collect those email addresses and send something out regularly. Holy moly, Melissa, that is so cool. This is exactly what I tell people all the time, consistency is key. And you never know who's listening. It takes people 17 to 27 touchpoints now to click on anything. So the fact that you've been writing two years and three months, so if let's just say she's probably been reading them for two years, and now she's ready because now it's time to buy it for a friend and that's what people want to do. So way to go. Melissa, thank you for sharing both of those wins.

Lesley Logan 3:10  

I have a few wins from Ainsley Walker. She is an eLevate member right now and she's been in Agency for a couple of years and so got a lot of just great little wins from her and I love, I love the way that she sees wins and so I want to share that with you because I think she'd be great inspiration as well as Melissa to you seen amazing wins. I've been sharing and mentioning parts of moves I'm working on when I'm teaching so clients know I'm very much alongside them on their journey and in practice. And me not showing them perfectionist created more discussion giggles laughs and encouraged more questions from clients on what they're feeling. They are in particular loved it when I told them that I needed to get my bum higher and rolling like a ball and what followed was beautiful belly laughs where the whole class fell into complete hysterics. As I rested my shoulder my bum in the air I love this level of honesty, vulnerability that I've tapped into and can show. A new client just showed up to class out of curiosity I was able to chat and fill out forms before she loved it and signed up. In a class I was able to teach the repertoire and move to show her what her body needs. This week, I started a class by settling them in and then just saying your hundred, no more words needed. They all did their own hundred for their body. I heard angels sing. Al right, a couple more for Ainsly because again, they're just icing like how there can be wins and just chatting with people there can be wins and being vulnerable about what you're not doing great at that you're trying to help others be great at these help people have connections. So Ainsley Walker's watching weekend two of eLevate and this month my hips have changed. Yay, more open Russian Splits are more possible. So have you ever done anything you guys where you're just like, I'm not good at this. And then you know, just kept going and then allowed yourself to realize you are getting better at things? I think that's why not a lot of people like to film themselves and stuff but filming ourselves and things sometimes is the best way for us to us, especially visual learners, to see that we are having an effect, that we are making changes because we can always feel that we're making changes because we maybe are not exactly where we want to be yet. So I just really love that she was able to watch and then see how much her hips have changed and that Russian Splits are more possible. All right, last thing, I did the full mat order with my mat group, offered an alternative and when it came to the rocking, I went to demo so that they could reach towards their ankles. Instead of doing a full rock. Imagine a full rock like Lex, my advanced client, and as I said this my hands magically held my feet and then I started to rock somewhere along the fat. Last few months, my body's changed. I reached my goal move doing everything but the goal move. Lesley, you are right. But what was lovely was I squealed in delight, everyone clapped. And we all celebrate together. It was a great that the class new, saw that I'm working on my body, too and changes do happen when trusting the order. Yes. So something I should know, is that in eLevate, we do not practice the things you struggle with, to get better at the things you struggle with. You can still do them, especially if they're fine for your body. But what we really do focus on is what other things could help you do the exercise you struggle with. So where are you struggling with that exercise? Is it flexibility? Is it strength? Is it connections? What is it? What other exercises can help you do that?So it's what eLevate's focus is and the girls in eLevate, they focus on their body and for the teacher that they're they're working with in the program. And then hopefully, as they are learning how to do that with themselves, they do with their classes and their clients as well. And so Ainsley's win here is just proof that if you actually just focus on the connections that you need, you could just pop up into the exercise you have been practicing very much and do it. Way to go, Ainsley. Thank you for sharing all of these wins. It was so fun to relive them with you. 

Lesley Logan 6:52  

Okay, so my win. My win is last month, I don't know if I told you guys, but Brad and I spoke at an event called Get Published Live. And I'll be really honest, a little bit of impostor syndrome about like, why was I being asked to speak on a topic that I just kind of felt it's not really a thing that I talked about. And so Brad and I did the talk together. And we were creating this workshop, and I just was like, oh my god, is this gonna be, is this is gonna be enough? Is this gonna be good enough? And I made this amazing, beautiful slideshow. Shout out to Brad, he really did that. And we presented together. And so a couple wins, I'm gonna celebrate this one, I have been wanting to make sure I insert Pilates workouts in anytime I speak because oh my gosh, people just sit all day. So I kicked it all off with everyone doing a standing pilates workout, even though some of them were in heels. That's fine. It worked out really well. And then Brad and I did our workshop together. And at the end, every single person found a different way to come up to us and tell us what they liked about it. And everyone liked a different part of the workshop, which is really amazing. And really beautiful and really fun. And I'm so glad that we did it. I'm not kidding, like part of me was like, why are we, why are we doing this? Like do, do they know? Like, are we gonna be, are we going to disappoint them? Do they know what we're talking about? So the win is that we overcame that impostor syndrome, or at least I did, I don't think Brad had any imposter syndrome around it. And we taught the workshop that was true to our hearts and true to our brand and true to like how we believe about things. And we had massive impacts there. The next win that comes from this is part of me was like, we should just dip out, we don't actually have to stick around, you know, you head to L.A. But the other part is like let's just stick around because like, let's be supportive of somebody. I'm not someone who likes to go to events, just do my thing and leave like that just doesn't sit well with me. I like to be there early enough to like hear what's going on. So it stuck with our values. And we stayed around. And I got to meet really cool people that, look, it hasn't happened yet. But we all have plans to follow up with each other. The next time I am in Arizona, so and also like, usually I would let Brad start those conversations or usually I would let them start a conversation with me or them come with an idea of how we could collaborate together and said this time, I was like, hey, here's what I do that I think might be interesting to your publication or to your podcast, like what do you think? And so I have to follow up now, but the win is that I put myself out there in a place where I could have been rejected, which wouldn't have been personal by the way, but it could have been and a lot of times we let the fear of rejection keep us from even trying it. So just shout out. There's so many different little wins that happen in this one event. And then also, you know, my husband and I were able to sit down and go okay, so what are some of the things we want to take away from this and what are some of the things we want to implement going forward? Because we, we do have a lot going on, and how, how many events can we participate in in a year? And which ones, why are we participating in them? You know, it can't, it's not always about money. You know, we often do some, some events for free so, so but what are we expecting out of it so that it is a win-win for everyone? And I just want to say like, big thanks to James Patrick, for inviting us to the Get Published Live, we learned so much. And I know that the people who attended our workshop learned a lot, too. So it's just really freaking cool to get to be a teacher and a student at the same time. So thank you. That's my win. What are your wins? I want to hear them. I want you to send to the Be It Pod. I want to celebrate you. We'll start it out on the next episode. And please do me a huge favor, share these episodes with friends who need them, those ones who just like, can't figure out what a win is. We have a rule inside of all of our groups. If you complain, you have to also go post a win, not allowed to wait to post a win, you have to post at the same day. Because there's always positive things that are happening. So if you've got someone in your life who just can't get positive, you can make sure that they have that rule for them too. You can tell what's going on in your life but you also tell us what's a win in your life we have to celebrate the wins. So happy FYF. Have an amazing day. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 11:16  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 11:43  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 11:58  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 12:03  

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Brad Crowell 12:07  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 12:15  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 12:18  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Join Brad and Lesley as they revisit Kel Cal's life-changing takeaways and her powerful 2-part manifestation process, along with her thought-provoking insights on self-love, identity shifts, and overcoming limiting beliefs. Kel Cal, author of How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face: Your Guide to Stop Settling, Fall in Love with Yourself, and Create a Life You’re Obsessed With and host of the Dear Dumb Bitch podcast, offers practical advice on integrating new habits into your daily life. Lesley also answers an audience question on the best breathing techniques during Pilates, filling this episode with transformative advice and actionable tips.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Lesley answers how to properly breathe during Pilates exercises.
• Why you need to shift your identity and embody what you learned. 
• Becoming the best version of yourself and who you desire to be.
• Creating opportunities today that make you feel stable and secure. 
• The importance of allowing music to manifest your future dream self.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Summer Tour
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• How to Breath in Pilates?
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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

She said when we make that decision we get closer to a change, we get closer to the being what we're seeing for ourselves, we start being it when we start making that change today.

Lesley Logan 0:11  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:53  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the life-altering convo I had with Kel Cal in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this down, go back to listen that one and then come back and join us or you can listen to this one and then listen to that one. It's really great. Kel's awesome. She's a fabulous, fun woman and very interesting. 

Brad Crowell 1:14  

Pretty determined.

Lesley Logan 1:15  

Very much so and I wish we had a reason to go to Bali right now so we can all go hang out and then we can talk her into coming to Cambodia. All right, before we get into the interview, we have a couple things first, Today is June 20th and it's almost Summer Solstice, which is tomorrow. And so if you're listening to this on Summer Solstice, hello, happy Summer Solstice Day. What does that mean? It is the longest day. Summer Solstice is observed on either June 20th, 21st or 22nd. But this year it falls on June 21st. The timing shifts because it depends on when the sun reaches its northernmost point from the celestial equator. Anyways, it's the start of summer I'm gonna be telling you, I've been telling you when it's summer already, so I'm clearly wrong. As a result, the days get shorter as summer progresses, first gradually but then at increasingly larger daily intervals as the September equinox approaches and ushers in the beginning of fall. Because the Sun travels across the sky in its most elongated path during the summer solstice, that day has the most daylight hours. So enjoy the longest day of the year, you guys and also, apparently, official day of summer. And apparently it's now only summer. You should tell that to the Vegas Sun.

Brad Crowell 2:20  

Yeah, right. I agree. But what do we got coming up?

Lesley Logan 2:23  

So we are, we are going into our OPC Summer Tour on August 4th and tickets are already selling very fast. Some locations are on top of their game, you guys. 

Brad Crowell 2:35  

Yeah, watch out. 

Lesley Logan 2:36  

We have some groupies who are hitting several locations. I love you ladies and I can't wait to party with you in multiple places. Like it's just like they may as well get in their vans and follow us around like how fun we can be like a group. Not a cult, a group. So yeah, we're a band. Opc.me/tour is where you get your tickets, 13 cities, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Denver, Lincoln, Nebraska, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Chicago, Cleveland, Indy.

Brad Crowell 3:14  

I think we're doing Dayton in there.

Speaker 1 3:16  

Dayton? Oh, yeah. There's a 13th that I forget, Dayton, Indy, Lawrence, Kansas. St. Louis and Lawrence, Kansas? 

Brad Crowell 3:26  

No.

Lesley Logan 3:26  

Kansas City.

Brad Crowell 3:27  

Before Kansas City, we go to St. Louis. We're not in Lawrence this year we're in Kansas City and then we go to Colorado Springs. 

Lesley Logan 3:35  

And then we're done.

Brad Crowell 3:35  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 3:36  

And it's in like two weeks of days. So it's like 

Brad Crowell 3:39  

15 or 16 days. Yeah, we're gonna be hit and clip, pretty quick clip.

Lesley Logan 3:43  

Some of these places only two or three hours apart from each other. 

Brad Crowell 3:46  

Yeah, once we get to the true like, like, Midwest Midwest. We're gonna be couple of hours (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 3:52  

You know what, I heard people say, oh, but sometimes we lake it. Well, guess what? I'm not coming to Minneapolis, Minnesota or Milwaukee anytime soon. So you can go lake it the weekend before or the weekend after. 

Brad Crowell 4:04  

That's right.

Lesley Logan 4:04  

You now know the dates in advance. 

Brad Crowell 4:06  

Pilates at that weekend. Lake it another weekend. 

Lesley Logan 4:09  

Yeah. And also, we might not even be there on a weekend. I'm not even sure what days were there. But it's on the sheet, opc.me/tour. So go check it out. Also, at the time that this is coming out, it is possible that eLevate applications are possibly happening. It's also possible that they're almost happening. But you should, you should check it out. Because we only open up these registrations once a year. We have hundreds of people who are interested (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 4:32  

I think, I think it's important to stress that there are hundreds of people on the waitlist. 

Lesley Logan 4:36  

Yeah, I think the last time I checked it was like over 500.

Brad Crowell 4:38  

Yeah and so what this means and there are only 12 spots, okay, so yeah, in a group, so if you, if it's something that you've been thinking about doing, this is kicking off January of 2025. You know, right now what would happen is you'd be looking at a deposit, but then the money for the balance payment will be before the program kicks off at the end of the year or very early the beginning of next year. 

Lesley Logan 5:03  

So unless you have time to pay and plan if you need to, save up, plan ahead with the schedule. So you can, you know, you can get things sorted.

Brad Crowell 5:11  

If you have no idea what eLevate is, and you're wondering what the heck we're talking about. 

Lesley Logan 5:13  

Oh, they're probably wondering, it's my mentorship program.

Brad Crowell 5:16  

It's a nine-month program. 

Lesley Logan 5:18  

Yeah and if you saw the OPC summer camp, we had a lot of eLevate grads. 

Brad Crowell 5:22  

We sure did. 

Lesley Logan 5:23  

In fact, almost all of them. 

Brad Crowell 5:24  

Yeah, I think they were all. It was super, super fun. So during those nine months, you're going to do five weekend workshops, all virtual, all on Zoom, well, you will get to go through each of the different pieces of equipment, and Lesley's passing on the information she learned from her teacher, Jay Grimes. And, yeah, it's really an opportunity for her to sow into you and help you develop the confidence to teach anybody that comes through the door without having to worry about it, without having to spend a gazillion hours in prep time, without having to do class planning, without having to feel like you have to talk the entire time of the class. I mean, it's just dramatically changed the people who have gone through this program and it's a pretty small club. There's only been four rounds so far. Right? So you, you're going to be part of an amazing crew of incredible women. We're open to there being some men but there haven't been any men so far. So it's an amazing group (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 6:17  

Might be, might be in, might be in the next one I already have someone who's interested. So here we (inaudble).

Brad Crowell 6:20  

Love it. Amazing. So, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. Lesleylogan.co/elevate.

Lesley Logan 6:27  

Yep and then our Cambodia February 2025 Retreat is filling up quickly. 

Brad Crowell 6:33  

Sure is. 

Lesley Logan 6:33  

So it's really exciting. February is an interesting time of year because it is after the rainy season has had not been happening for quite some time. And so the sunrises look different. The sunsets look different. The landscape looks different. The humidity levels are way different. And so if you go to 

Brad Crowell 6:52  

crowsnestretreats.com 

Lesley Logan 6:55  

crowsnestretreats, plural? 

Brad Crowell 6:56  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 6:57  

crowsnestretreats.com.

Brad Crowell 6:59  

That's right. Yeah. Anyway, February we 

Lesley Logan 7:02  

There's some great women already signed up.

Brad Crowell 7:04  

Yeah, we got a really fun group. starting to come together here. I'm really, I'm really excited about that. If you were on the waitlist and you feel like you missed out, just reach out to me. We still would love to have you join us. Also, we would love for you to join us at OPC. OPC is onlinepilatesclasses.com. We have a, basically, a way you can try it out for 40 days for only 40 bucks.

Lesley Logan 7:29  

I know. At an OPC summer camp we found out that you can even buy a lemon for $1. But you can do Pilates or OPC for $1 a day.

Brad Crowell 7:36  

I did not know that. 

Lesley Logan 7:37  

Yeah, they said that. They said they went to the store and there was not a single lemon that was under $1. And I was like, wow.

Brad Crowell 7:44  

So cheaper than 40 lemons, y'all. 

Lesley Logan 7:46  

Yeah, yeah. And then you don't have to worry about them going bad. So, opc.me/40 is how you get that trial offer. Okay, we're about to get into the interview with Kel Cal. But first we have a question from one of our listeners. 

Brad Crowell 7:58  

We sure do. Lily Bay from YouTube asked, "How do you know how to breathe in Pilates exercises?"

Lesley Logan 8:05  

Well, Lily Bay, the good news is we actually have a whole video where I explain the breath. So I'm not gonna go into as deep detail because we'll just link to that video below because it's actually many, many minutes long. But I want to give you permission that my teacher taught me he's like most, there's very few exercises where Joseph Pilates had very specific breathing. And most of the exercises, it was just important that you did breathe. And so don't hold your breath. Unless the exercise says to hold your breath at a certain time, like you will on the exercise called breathing you will hold your breath at specific times. But, all the other ones breathe in and out through your nose, take up space laterally with your ribs breathe into the lowest ribs in the back. And what that does is it allows your abdominals to stay connected and contracted. While you're still getting full deep breaths. You're still moving your diaphragm, but you're not letting your abs disengage and engage so that you can go through all these exercises. That's how you're going to breathe in all the Pilates exercises. But if you want to know more than that, go to our video on How to Breathe in Pilates on my YouTube channel.

Brad Crowell 9:10  

Yeah. Awesome. Great question. Thanks so much for asking. If you are interested in leaving us a question. You can DM us on the gram or you can text us at 310-905-5534. Anyway, reach out if you have questions. We'd love to answer your question on the pod and we'll be right back. Okay, now let's talk about Kel Cal. Kel Cal, a survivor of a toxic and unhappy marriage. That on paper looks really amazing. Cal deeply understands the importance of self-love. As the host of the Dear Dumb Bitch podcast she shares her journey of healing and self-discovery. Kel is also a life empowerment mentor, speaker and author of the book How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face: Your Guide to Stop Settling. And check it out, Lesley's holding it up for those who watch on YouTube. Get it closer here. Oh there it is. Go higher. Yeah. So oh, sorry, the title is actually much longer How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face: Your Guide to Stop Settling, Fall in Love with Yourself, & Create a Life You're Obsessed With. Her mission is to help people heal from their past, believe in their worthiness and become the best future version of themselves. I love that. This is a really intriguing conversation I, when I was walking in, when you're interviewing her, I walked in the only part of this that I walked in on was the, "And I trusted my intuition and then I moved to Bali." And I was like, oh my God, what is this interview going to be about? Right? And I was like, is this gonna be the wooest of the woo thing that I've ever heard? That wasn't what the interview was, like, at all. But that was like a hilarious just snippet for me to walk into. So, anyway.

Lesley Logan 10:52  

I know because well, that's because we met this one person. And we're like, oh, you live over in Boulder, like, what made you move there? My intuition and it's and then they just put a period on it and didn't finish the conversation. It's like, okay, so I don't really know how to content like (inaudible) are you here right now? (Inaudible) Are you like in this, but we're having a conversation. You know, so her sole purpose is her soul's purpose.

Brad Crowell 11:17  

That I thought was super cool. 

Lesley Logan 11:18  

Yeah, I thought that was great. That's a great, that's great alliteration or whatever it is. And I also love that she talked about how we shift our identity, we take what we learn, and we actually embody it and embodiment is, it's actually taking these lessons and making them truly part of your being. And so like, which can sound a little bit like the definition was just used in a sentence. But here's the deal. Like, when you take something you've learned, and you integrate it into your life, it is, it is something you can take action on. And you're kind of almost using in your life, to make decisions to do different things. And so it's kind of like the intro to the show, it is like action brings clarity, it's the antidote to fear. Or, like I've said in the podcast before information without integration is constipation. When you take a lesson and you go through something, you learn it, you embody it, you are no longer like, constipated your move, it's moving through. It's actionable. I like that. So we also talked a lot about limiting beliefs and self-doubt, which I thought was really cool. I don't think I've had a lot of people share self-doubt on the pod in a while. So I thought it was really cool for someone to share their self-doubt. What do you love? 

Brad Crowell 12:28  

Yeah. So she was talking about two times she had this major realization, the first time was in the toxic relationship, which she got away from. And then she moved. And she realized, after moving that, she was still like, super unhappy. And she said, wow, the common denominator here is me. So that means I have to go, you know, work on me, right? And then she started asking the question, what does that even mean? And she was like, well, maybe I'll do it later. And then she had this realization that like, actually later is, is kind of not real. First off, it's not easy to change the way that you see yourself, the expectations you have for yourself, or the habits that you do, it's not an easy thing to transition away from what we're used to. Like, it's, that's your worldview. It's literally how you view yourself. That's tough. She said, we have to become the version of ourselves now because the future doesn't even exist, right? Tomorrow doesn't exist. Because when it arrives, it's called today. You know, which is kind of, you know, she pointed those things out, it's pretty funny when you think of it in, in that context. But ultimately, what the point of this is, is we need to start making decisions and changes now. You got to do it now, right now in this moment because when we tell ourselves that we're going to do it in the future, or someday or down the road, that's not real. We can begin to become the version of ourselves, who we desire to be, today, right now. And she did give some actual practical advice on that and we're going to cover that in our Be It Action Items. But she said when we make that decision, we get closer to the change, we get closer to the being, what we're seeing for ourselves we start being it when we start making that change today. So I thought that was pretty cool.

Lesley Logan 14:15  

Yeah, she's really cool. I was on her podcast, Dear Dumb Bitch, which I actually thought was such a fun, such a fun name because sexually with lots of lovingkindness towards your, like, yourself. And she asked some really great questions you guys and she and I both read the same like morning books that like where you can journal on. So I highly recommend if you really like her, check out the episode I was on with her. And you can get to know more about her and myself and like what we're, what we're doing. It's really great.

Brad Crowell 14:44  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Kel Cal? She said, "We don't manifest what we want. We manifest what we are." I don't think I've ever heard this before. And I thought it was, was pretty cool. So, you know, I've heard a lot of people talk about manifestation. And like I have said numerous times on this podcast, I'm a one-woo guy.

Lesley Logan 15:12  

I feel like people are actually manifesting things all the time, even when they're not being intentional about based on what you just said. Because if you're a negative person, then you are manifesting negative shit. Like all the time, it's just happening.

Brad Crowell 15:24  

Yeah. And actually, you're bringing that negativity into your world, like, so you're manifesting who you are. You're a negative person, in that case, right. But she said she actually broke it down. She said, It's a two-part process. So the first part is to identify the emotions that you think you will feel once you have achieved or reached the things on your vision board. And I thought this was super cool. She specifically said, "Imagine you have a six-figure bank account. Why do we all want that? What is it about having a six-figure bank account that makes it the thing? It's security, it's an emotional stability, feeling of confidence of knowing that like, 'Oh, if everything hits the fan, I still have this bank account that can pay my bills for X amount of time.'" And she said, "Identify the emotions that you think you will feel once you have the things that are on your vision board and then create opportunities to begin to feel those emotions right now." So you want that six-figure back account, how will that make you feel? Start creating opportunities to feel what it's like to have stability and security in your life today. And I thought that was, that was actually pretty profound. Actually. I thought that was amazing. 

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Yeah, I really liked I thought that was very tangible. Yes. The second part of the process is to pick a song and make it your Be It theme.

Brad Crowell 16:43  

Love this.

Lesley Logan 16:44  

Your Be It theme song.

Brad Crowell 16:45  

Yes and music is powerful. 

Lesley Logan 16:46  

Yeah, because it's energy and energy carries a frequency, which also allows us to calibrate. So pick a song that really embodies the energy of how you want to feel in the future, play that song every single morning, it's important to do it in the morning, because it's easy to just have the day go on and on and you forget to actually do it. Feel the emotions that the song is allowing you to connect with. And that way you can have that energetic connection because that's how you are able to become a match for what it is that you desire. So you put your Be It theme song on in the morning, you allow that energy to take up your space and then you go on your day with that Be It energy and you'll, from the start of the day, you guys, this is amazing. You can make it your alarm clock music if you are not good at remembering how to play a song. But I bet you, you could tell your phone's name to play x song at x time in the morning every day. I'm sure it would. 

Brad Crowell 17:37  

That's not a bad idea. I haven't thought about that.

Lesley Logan 17:40  

You try it, you guys, and you tell me how it goes. I mean, like we probably tell Google, "Hey Google, play blank song at this time in the morning, every day."

Brad Crowell 17:51  

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a 

Lesley Logan 17:53  

I'm gonna play my Be It theme song when I am in the cold plunge. 

Brad Crowell 17:58  

I think that's a great idea. 

Lesley Logan 18:00  

Now I gotta figure out what my month, my theme song for this season is.

Brad Crowell 18:04  

That's really fun. I think that's a great idea. 

Lesley Logan 18:06  

I love that.

Brad Crowell 18:06  

Because it's roughly three minutes, you know, the song, I mean, usually, and. 

Lesley Logan 18:11  

By the time I hit the timer, then I get to the song, well, hopefully I'll get my phone to play the song at that time, and then I can just yell at my phone to play the song. And then I'll be in the water. And I'll be like, feeling though it goes through the water into me, this is amazing.

Brad Crowell 18:25  

Oh, geez. Here we go. It's gonna be good. Awesome. I love that. Yeah, I mean, I know. I know what it's like to be connected to music, obviously. And I know how much I enjoy when a song comes on that gets me super fired up. And yeah, I love this idea because it really does help anchor your day, set your mood, set your, you know, point you down the path of being excited and positive and hopeful and energetic and ready to go. So what an easy fun tip.

Lesley Logan 19:00  

Fun tip. You guys, tell Kel Cal what your takeaways were. Tell the Be It Pod. Get her book, How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face: Your Guide to Stop Settling, Fall in Love with Yourself, & Create a Life You're Obsessed With. Boom, you can get this on Amazon wherever books are sold. And you guys, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 19:22  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 19:22  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful for you. We hope this was really helpful in understanding manifestation and more about being until you see it. So make sure you share this with a friend and please leave us a review. If you haven't done that yet. 

Brad Crowell 19:35  

Yeah, do it, do it. 

Lesley Logan 19:35  

Do it. The last time I checked, we're almost at a hundred. You could be the 100th person. I know (inaudible) you don't win anything but you get to have been part of the growth of this podcast and that, that's winning my love, that's winning, you're putting that energy out into the world. So thank you so much and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 19:50  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 19:52  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

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Brad Crowell 20:35  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 20:40  

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Brad Crowell 20:44  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 20:51  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 20:54  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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