Be It Till You See It

Kel Cal, author, speaker, and host of the Dear Dumb Bitch podcast shares her personal transformation journey—from feeling lost and unfulfilled to creating a life she loves on her own terms. Kel opens up to Lesley about the importance of listening to your intuition, doing deep inner work to heal from past traumas, and taking aligned action to manifest your dream life. She explains why she left her marriage and moved to Bali, highlighting the power of following one's inner guidance. Learn ways to embody your future self, overcome limiting beliefs, and step into your power.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Kel's bold decision to leave her marriage and move to Bali. 
• Practices to help break free from unhealthy coping mechanisms. 
• How to create a strong foundation for self-love and transformation.
• Techniques to embody the changes you want to see in your life.
• Why Kel believes self-love isn't about striving to be someone new.
• Powerful exercises to help you embody and manifest your future self.

Episode References/Links:

• Kel Cal’s Instagram
• Kel Cal’s Website
• Kel Cal’s TIkTok
• How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face Book
• Dear Dumb Bitch Podcast
• Fabx
• EFT Tapping
• Keri Ford Episode 175

Guest Bio:

Kel is a life transformation & empowerment mentor, author, speaker, & the host of the Dear Dumb Bitch, podcast. Kel helps people transform their lives by transforming the relationship with themselves, healing trauma, and reconnecting with their personal power. She also helps women navigate the aftermath of toxic relationships and use the experience as a catalyst to unlock your Highest Self. Kel was living what appeared to be her dream life but in reality was secretly miserable in an emotionally abusive marriage so she made the bold decision to leave her life in sunny South Florida and move across the country to restart her life in the rainy city of Seattle. She went broke overnight, didn’t have a job, & was technically homeless, but she had a vision of a better future for herself so she committed to her own personal healing journey. Kel now lives in Bali, and her purpose in life is to empower people and share the message that you CAN have anything and everything you desire in life by healing trauma from the past, believing you are worthy of what you desire, developing unconditional love for yourself, and reconnecting with your personal power. She is incredibly passionate about teaching, inspiring others, and sharing tools and resources to help people stop settling, fall in love with themselves, and create a life they’re obsessed with!

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Episode Transcript:

Kel Cal 0:00  

I feel like so often in life, we're living our life based on what we think we should be doing or based on what our limiting beliefs and self-doubt tells us we should be doing or should not be doing or cannot be doing. And it causes us to live the life that we're not meant to live. And we don't get to become who we are meant to become in this lifetime. 

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Okay, Be It babe, get ready. This is awesome. This interview is just great. You're gonna hear how I met this amazing woman at the intro. So I won't repeat myself here. But also, I know I say I love the Be It Action Items. I fucking love the Be It Action Items on this one. It's just you're gonna love it. I'm so grateful for random acts of kindness and learning from other people. There's something really cool about this gig. And I hope that you enjoy this. I get to meet so many unique people and I meet them oftentimes as you're meeting them in your ears. But I find like,isn't it so cool that we can learn from other people's experiences and then recognize how those experiences are similar to something we went through, not the same but similar, and then we can learn something that they learn in their experience that we might not have learned in our own experience, or we did and we forgot. And so Kel Cal is our guest today. She's brilliant. She's beautiful. She's got a, she's got a great book that you're gonna want to check out. I'm buying it already. And she also has a lovely podcast called Dear Dumb Bitch and I am on that podcast and I just kind of love it. I love the title of it. Because as soon as I heard I was like, yeah, there's that. You know that (inaudible), what would you tell your like 24-year-old self? It's kind of like that. And we can learn from epic women. So go ahead and check that out after this. You can check out the podcast that I was on. If you love it you can go listen to binge out on all the other ones. But here, before, before you go there, here's Kel so you can get to know her and how amazing she is. And get ready for those Be It Action Items. Get ready, get your pen and paper out for those. Have an amazing day. 

Lesley Logan 2:37  

All right, Be It babe. This is so fun. This has been a while in the making. And I just want to say like accept random acts of like connections. We, today's guests and I had a blind, like, Zoom date, which I feel like I haven't had since COVID. And we were introduced by a mutual friend and someone you know and have loved on the pod, Michael Unbroken. So we have this amazing conversation. I feel like if she lived in Vegas, we would probably hang out all the time. But she lives in Bali. Kell Cal will you tell everyone who you are what you rock at and why you live in Bali? 

Kel Cal 3:11  

Yes, well, hello, thank you so much for having me on the show. I'm so excited for this conversation. And I just love the serendipitous introduction that we had, and there are no mistakes and no accidents in the universe like we were meant to connect. So I'm Kel. I am a Life Transformation and Empowerment coach, I am a bestselling author and speaker and podcast host. And yes, I live in Bali because my intuition told me to move to Bali and I have ignored my intuition enough in my life to know that I should never ignore my intuition. So here I am.

Lesley Logan 3:46  

One of my favorite crystal stores where I buy candles from, which, my listeners, I've tried to get an affiliate link for you. This, they don't want to work with me. But I will just tell you, it's The House of Intuition. They don't sponsor this and they're, all their boxes say your intuition led you here and I just love it. Like every time I buy candles, like, your intuition led you here. I'm like yes, it did, it lead me to buy the candle crystals. But yours led you to Bali. So we'll get into your book and your pod, of course, but I guess, like, you said you ignored your intuition before and then you listened to it to go to Bali. Can you tell us a little bit about that journey? Because I think a lot of us have ignored our intuition. And regretfully did that. It's easy, at hindsight, it's easy in 2020 of course, but what kind of led you to Bali?

Kel Cal 4:33  

Yeah, so we're actually conditioned to ignore our intuition because we live in a society where we are taught to live in our minds, to exist in our mind, and to disconnect from our heart, from our body which is disconnecting us from our truth and our intuition and the connection to the higher powers that be. So I lived most of my life just checking off all the boxes on the to do list of life. And then I found myself in a situation where, going back to like circa 2018, and I thought I was living my dream life because my life looked really amazing from the outside. I lived in sunny South Florida, I had this beautiful home that I remodeled to perfection. It was paid off. I had a successful business. Lots of money in the bank. I was married. I had four golden doodles, six-pack abs, perfectly styled blonde hair, I drove a Porsche, and I was miserable. And there was a lot of factors contributing to the internal misery that I felt one of which was I was in an emotionally abusive and toxic as fuck marriage. And it reached a place where I just felt like I was drowning every single day of my life. And I was because my soul was being suffocated. So I made the decision to not only leave the marriage, but to move across the country to restart my life in every possible way. And that was the beginning of my journey of self-love and self-discovery, like I literally proclaim to the universe, this is my journey of self-love and self-discovery. This is my second chance in life, this experience and all the trauma I endured is not going to be the worst thing that ever happened to me, it's somehow going to be the best thing that ever happened to me. And I began to realize that I was living my life based on external expectations and what I thought I should be doing. And I was checking off all these boxes on this to-do list of life, graduate college, get a job, get married, buy a house, all the things. And I realized this wasn't even my to-do list. And I feel like so often in life, we're living our life based on what we think we should be doing or based on what our limiting beliefs and self-doubt tells us we should be doing or should not be doing or cannot be doing. And it causes us to live the life that we're not meant to live. And we don't get to become who we are meant to become in this lifetime. So on my own personal journey of healing from the past of stripping away everything that was blocking me from my truth, I began to develop this connection with my intuition. And when we follow our intuition, and we trust our intuition, we are allowed to be guided to live the life that we're meant to live.

Lesley Logan 7:07  

So interesting, I love how you put like, this won't be the worst thing that ever happen to me, it's gonna be the best. I think that is such an interesting way to look at something. And I completely agree. It's funny when I've told people about like being homeless, or like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm like, you don't have to apologize. Like, first of all, the first two were like outside of my control, the third one, 100% in mind, but I knew I needed to like get out of the situation I was in because like you, we live this perfect on paper, perfect on the outside. Social media wasn't yet huge, then I was like posting the sunsets. I wish I had the pictures because like, they were fucking beautiful sunsets a bit like, but it was. Like, if you came to a party at our house, you're like, oh my god, this is like the most amazing like you've-made-it-life in LA and with the most amazing, incredible views. And I was also so, so unhappy. And so in my head all the time. And I think we talked about this, it took me a fucking year to go, okay, I've been really done with this. We got to figure this out. So I feel like the best everything from that rock bottom because the actual, like, best thing that ever came. And you know what's interesting? You're in Bali. You guys must have lotus flowers, right? Like, you have lotus flowers in Bali? 

Kel Cal 8:11  

Yes, yes. (Inaudible)

Lesley Logan 8:14  

In Cambodia, we go to a lotus farm, we take our retreaters to a lotus of farm. And the whole idea is that the lotus seed comes from mud. And the seed grows and the plant grows and it finds the top of the water and it actually blooms on top of the water. And the whole story is like it doesn't matter what your roots are, you can always have, you can always become beautiful. And I think that that's what, in air quotes, rock bottoms really are, is like the mud of which the lotus flower will come from? 

Kel Cal 8:38  

Yes, yes, 100%. And actually, that's the reason I got this lotus flower tattoo on my wrist. I got it right when I left, the marriage moved across the country, and it was homeless went broke overnight, like literally every aspect of my life just changed overnight. And again, I was like, This is my mud. This is my rock bottom. But this is not going to be the worst thing. This is going to allow me to bloom and create this beautiful life where I actually love myself and I'm a priority in my own life. And I'm living my life. And I got this lotus flower tattoo when I began my journey as a symbol of my intention. And to remind me because it's so easy to forget when we go through the day-to-day or when we're experiencing the challenges, and we get feel like we're stuck in it. But I got this tattoo right on my wrist to have that visual reminder like no, this is the mud that is leading you to actually blossom and grow into who you're meant to be.

Lesley Logan 9:36  

Hmm. Oh, I love it. I love it. This is really hilarious and off topic, but we're just gonna do it. Most people don't know I have cherry blossoms on tattoo on my arm. And it's a cover-up I got right after I left my ex because I had this tattoo from when I was younger and I wanted to cover it up and the guy was like, well flowers are easy cover-ups and I was like I don't like any flowers but I think I like a cherry blossom and my friend who's a jewelry designer who designed my engagement ring. And a lot of the jewelry you see me wear, she's, she became very famous for her cherry blossom necklace. And so I said, I'm gonna get cherry blossoms because I love your jewelry. And I love that cherry blossoms like the one flower I think I could look at forever. And she's like cherry blossoms are a symbol of new beginnings. And if you think about when cherry blossoms actually bloom for a very short period of time, but it's at the change of the season from winter to spring. And so it's really just an incredible thing. So you guys, if you need new beginnings cherry blossoms, and if you need to be reminded of like the you're stuck in the mud, remember, you are a lotus. So that's beautiful. So Kel, okay, you have this beautiful life, you, overnight, changed all of it. I feel like it's very easy to kind of go back into some of the habit, I just want to say like for me, you can go okay, I know all the things, I'm gonna change my life. I'm not happy here, I'm going to just do it all differently. But was it? Did you find yourself like fighting with the old habits of the way you lived your life for the new ones that you're wanting to live in? How did you handle that?

Kel Cal 10:59  

Yeah, so not only did I bring all of the old habits and all of the baggage from the past with me, I actually then developed a shit ton of coping mechanisms. Because I did not have the resources to navigate the trauma I had experienced not just the trauma from the relationship, but also the trauma that led me to that relationship in the first place. And I literally thought it would be as easy as restarting my life in every possible way. Now, I did get support and resources when I first moved out there because I was a shitshow, like captain of the hot mess express. And rightfully so, I experienced tremendous trauma in the marriage and changed every aspect of my life overnight. And I was going to therapy and I was in a domestic violence support group. And I was like doing the things. But then I discovered mindset work. And that's really when I began to recognize that you can make changes in your life. But I also used that as a way to bypass the deep inner work and the deep inner healing that I needed to be doing. So I discovered oh, I can change my beliefs and I could really just think my way out except you can't think your way out because you have to feel in order to heal. So that's really when I began to develop a lot of coping mechanisms in the form of eating disorders, substance abuse, pretty much every kind of addiction, addiction to exercising and working out and productivity and all the things to really distract myself and numb myself from what I was feeling inside. So I reached this place where I realized that I basically recreated my life in Florida, except I recreated it in Washington. And again, I found myself, my life looks really good on the outside, but inside I feel like shit. I feel controlled except this time, it wasn't another person controlling me it was myself. And that's when I had yet another existential crisis where I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm the common denominator, which means I need to do the deep inner work to change. 

Lesley Logan 13:00  

Yeah. So you know, you hear about toxic positivity. And I feel like people like learn words, and then they overuse them in the wrong way. You're like, look, I'm doing all the right things now. I'm doing all these like mindset things and I'm meditating, but you're not still in your head. You're just doing the surface. So it's the pendulum of the other side of the toxic relationship we're in. Now you're gonna send us the other version of it, where you're like, I'm doing, look at me, I did all these things. It's still look at me without the Porsche. It's just not, look at how mindful I am. 

Kel Cal 13:30  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 13:30  

When you talk about inner work, I think that's another like, phrase, like, or sentence people can hear. What does that mean? Like, what does that inner, deep inner work mean to you?

Kel Cal 13:38  

Yeah, I know, when I was, even when I first started my journey of like, self-love and self-discovery, I'm like, cool, but what the fuck does that actually mean? Like, what do you even do? And people talk about doing the work but like, what is the work? Like, what does that mean? So for me, initially, at the beginning of my journey, the journey of self-love and self-discovery, I started journaling, and I started really building the relationship with myself. And when I went deeper on this journey, it looked like inner child healing and looked like healing my nervous system using practices like somatic healing, it looked like actually meditating, it looked like using these other practices and modalities to actually go within and not look for the answer outside of myself, and also to really get honest about the energy that I was bringing to the healing journey, which is really the journey of transformation. And so often, we go on this healing journey viewing ourselves, like we're broken, and we're something that needs to be fixed. And that really is just reinforcing the underlying patterns that are keeping us stuck. So making the shift from I'm not broken, I'm actually this perfectly human that just needs to support myself in deeper ways.

Lesley Logan 14:58  

Yeah, I think that's, I think that's really, it's really true. And I think I love that you brought up somatics. I think a lot of people don't know about it, you know, they, they go to talk therapy, which is great. I have a couple clients who are excellent talk therapists. But there's also like, as a Pilates instructor, or there's like people who I've tried because I didn't like it, I'm like, well, maybe didn't like the teacher. And people like I tried therapy it didn't work, maybe didn't like the therapist or the therapy style. Like there's so many different ones based on like, what you need. And also like, what you need at the time, you know, like what I needed during COVID is very different than what I need today. And so I think it's important to kind of not just go oh, that didn't work for me. So nothing will work for me. It's there's, there's others who wants to do it. What are you most excited about now in your life that you've done this work? Or where do you find yourself continuing to go back to like, feel yourself and continue to make sure you, I don't want to say continue to heal yourself, but like, also continue to grow?

Kel Cal 15:55  

Yeah, so this journey does not have a finish line. And when I first found that out, I'm like, what a fucking scam. I'm not gonna, like cross this finish line one day, and someone's gonna hand me a trophy and say, congratulations, you're this fully enlightened and healed human. And that's actually not how it works. But you reach a place where all of these practices that you're doing just become a way of living. And it becomes this really exciting experience of discovering your shadows of discovering new parts of yourself that are holding on to pain and emotions from the past, and getting to understand them and build a relationship with these different parts of yourself, and to just continue to access more and more of yourself. So now, it's just a way of living life for me, and I actually love it to bits. It's like I say, my sole purpose in life is my soul's purpose, to discover more of myself and to expand because the more that we discover ourselves, the more that we get to access our own inner gifts, and then we get to share those gifts with the world. And that's how we get to create impact and support humanity. 

Lesley Logan 17:01  

I think that's true. You remind me of a guest we had on Keri Ford, and she's like, it's like a mountain without a peak. And it's not that you don't ever stop and look around and like, see and take a rest. But there's, as we continue to get to know ourselves and continue to grow. There is another level of which you can take that information, you know, and so it's not like you are repeating kindergarten forever in the wellness place, space, but you are kind of just continuing to go through the next ascension, also relearning the things that worked for you in a new way because now you know more. As I've been doing Pilates for 20 years in my body. I've been teaching for over 15. And the other day, I was doing an exercise and I was telling my teaching mate, like, oh, I finally could straighten my leg in this exercise. it used to always make me feel unsteady to have a straight leg in this exercise, now I can. He goes, yeah, now you can lift the other leg up if you pull it in to your body. And I was like, what? I can't, like, just let me have a moment, sir. And but I did what he said. And I was like, oh, my god, there's a whole nother level. And now, it's changed everything I know about everything. Because I like hit this, you know, you just like have a new appreciation, understanding for something that you already thought you learned, but you're learning on a deeper level because you're ready for it.

Kel Cal 18:23  

Yes, yes. And that's really what it's about. It's about then taking what we've learned and actually embodying it. So it just becomes who we are. And that's how we actually shift our identity, we have to embody it. It's not enough to just think it, like, you are enough but thinking it doesn't change it because 95% of our life is our subconscious and that's in our body. That's what embodiment is, it's actually taking these lessons and making them truly a part of your being.

Lesley Logan 18:52  

Yeah, do you, as you were trying to get some of these lessons be part of your of your being, were they're like, did you put Post-it notes everywhere? Did you write? And did you write it over and over again in journal? Do you say it out loud? Like what was your way of embodying these lesson?

Kel Cal 19:08  

All of the above. All of the above, like at one point in my life, it looked like there was just a Post-it factory that exploded because I have Post-it notes all over. And even now, like, I feel like that's the best purpose of Post-it notes to give yourself reminders to remember who you are, because it's so easy to forget, especially when we just go through the day and we have all of these external triggers that are cueing different emotions and different thoughts and it's keeping us stuck. So the more that we can create reminders to remember who we are and who we are becoming, the more that we get to actually step into that version of ourselves. So affirmations, writing it. But the thing with affirmations is you have to actually feel the affirmations. You have to feel it because the emotion is the embodiment part. If you're just saying it out loud and going through the motions of I am amazing and I am enough like you're thinking it but actually feeling and connecting with the emotions of the affirmation is what allows you to truly connect with it. EFT tapping is another really powerful practice to allow you to access your subconscious and to really embody the version of yourself that you want to become and to reprogram subconscious beliefs. So that's been another powerful practice for me as well.

Lesley Logan 20:23  

Oh, very cool. Okay. Yes. So, on the pod on Fridays, I do FYF, which is Fuck Yeah Friday. And it's for my overachievers perfectionist to have a day where they actually celebrate something they did do, because there's always things that we didn't get done. But, and I have a million things to do before a trip, and they're not gonna get done. And, and one of the things I say around here, by the way, now we're making pod merch for it, which is like, you're enough, right? One of the things I say at the end of the day is like you've done enough today. That's enough for today. But we, so on those Fuck Yeah Fridays, I actually read off an affirmation. And I used to read it off and repeat it three times so that people could like, say it with me in their car while they're walking. And most recently, I started reading it three different ways. And the reason I did that was like I was like, well, if I read it, just read it straight, then it has no emotion, and people can put their own emotion to it. But then if I emphasize different words, then it can impact someone in a different way. And you guys, it impacts me in a different way. I leave my FYF recordings, like I'm on top of the world. I'm not gonna lie, but like, I do agree, if you actually feel those things, I think it's really true. And by the way, can we all just keep Post-its and, you know, in business with our affirmations? I think that's a really cool thing. So why go into a couple of things? First of all, people are gonna want to know how you got to Bali? Did you fall in love with it? Did you go there and like, this is the place I'm gonna live? Or did you just show up with your bags packed and like, here's when we do? And then how did that lead you to the book you're bestseller for and like, what you're doing now?

Kel Cal 21:56  

Yeah, so my journey first began in 2018, and that was like the first layer of it. And my journey was not this, like straight line trajectory, it took every possible detour that there was. And by detour, it means I had a lot of lessons I needed to learn to become who I am today. So I don't want listeners to hear this and think, oh, she left the marriage. And then she ended up in Bali. And it was just as (inaudible) transition.

Lesley Logan 22:23  

You know, she's gonna have a movie about it.

Kel Cal 22:25  

It was not that and I share all of those detours in the book because so often it's easy to see people on social media who are like living the highlight reel life and think that they've always lived that life and no, my life and my journey had many rock bottoms. And rock bottom is a great place to rebuild your life. Because you got to really look at what's not serving you. And you got to heal the parts of yourself that were using those various coping mechanisms. So I would say, like, my journey took the next level during COVID when I had this crisis of I was forced to be alone with myself as the entire country was because we had to quarantine. And that was my greatest fear of being alone with myself. And I'm like, oh, wait, there's a problem here. So that's really when I began to go deeper within the journey that I'm doing. And it was then that I discovered my true purpose and passion. So I was doing real estate at the time. And again, just kind of going through the motions. And I realized that I was not put here on this earth to sell houses, I could, I could do it really well, I can make a lot of money, but it's not my soul's purpose. And it doesn't give me the sense of expansion and fulfillment that I desire. So fast forward to it was July 2021, I am continuing to pursue my soul's purpose and passion of creating my online business to support other women on their journey. And I made the decision to transition out of my career in real estate to my new business and going full time in that. That same week, I was sitting on my couch in my condo in Washington State, looking at this girl's Instagram, and she's also an online coach from the U.K., but living in Bali. And I'm like, that's cool as shit. She's just living her life creating her dream business pursuing her purpose. And then I heard this voice say, "You could do that." And I'm like, what? Who said that? And I'm like, oh, wait, that's my intuition. And I'm like, I actually, I kind of could do that. There's literally nothing keeping me tied to Washington and I could just go across the world and move to a country I've never been to I had never been to Bali, but. 

Lesley Logan 24:38  

I love this so, I love this so much like I'm just gonna move to Bali. I mean, like, it looks beautiful. So I'm just gonna go figure it out when I get there. 

Kel Cal 24:45  

Yeah, I mean, I didn't even know, I didn't even know where Bali was on the map. Like, it wasn't even in my awareness. But I'm like, all right, I guess I'm moving to Bali. And then I had to really become the version of myself that could move to Bali and could move across the world to a country she's never been to. So that was the real preparation, I moved to Bali. It wasn't figuring out the passport and the visas and making reservations for where I'm going to live. It was becoming that version of me, who could actually pursue that.

Lesley Logan 25:15  

I love that you brought that up because that's like such a be it till you see it moment, isn't it? Like, I would have thought that you would have moved to Bali and then embodied the person you want it to be. But I love that you're like, I have to become the person who's living in Bali. Now, I have to like, be that person, I have to change that lifestyle. Because otherwise, you could,you probably would have just ended back in Washington, being a real estate agent that you were, or being in real estate because you hadn't made the changes beforehand. It's not easy to change your habits and change how you meet expectations for yourself.

Kel Cal 25:50  

No, it's not easy at all. But that's, that's how we become that future version of ourself. We become that version of ourself now, because the future doesn't even exist. And the only time we can actually make changes is right now in this moment, because we tell ourselves, we'll do it tomorrow will change tomorrow. But tomorrow, doesn't exist because when it arrives, it's called today. So when we can begin to become that version of who we desire to be to become her now, that's when we actually get to close those timelines and create our future and live that life now. So I really view it as just practice, practice being the future version of yourself now, like, try it on for size? How would the future version of you show up to whatever activity it is that you're doing? How would she progress throughout the day? How does she show up and start practicing showing up as her?

Lesley Logan 26:44  

Yes, I love that. Okay, so you move to Bali sight unseen. I just fucking love. Ladies, we can do it, we can just move to a place without checking it out first. So first of all, of course, everything we like, how did you like make a living? How did you like Were you already doing your coaching business? And then how does that how you wrote your book. And then also you said, we've talked about the wins other names, so let's make sure we get that.

Kel Cal 27:09  

Okay, so when I moved to Bali, I was building my online business that oh, which I still am. And I had the vision of writing a book for a long time. And I initially discovered my love for writing throughout my journaling journey, because I had never really written before I never journaled before, I started in 2018. And then I realized I actually love writing. And even at the beginning of my journey, I knew I would share it one day, I can remember I was in a domestic violence support group. And I had discovered TED Talks. And that was like my gateway drug to personal development. So I'm like, whoa, you can actually make all of these changes. So I watched a shit ton of TED Talks, and I was talking about them constantly. And the facilitator on the domestic violence support group called me TED Talk Kelly. And she's like, you're gonna have a TED talk one day. And that's, that feels so far away, because I'm literally just trying to survive. But also, it was so exciting, because I'm like, yes, I am going to share my journey one day, and it's going to empower other women to make these changes for themselves. So that's kind of when the seed was first planted. And then, as I continued to go on this journey of healing and self-love, which it's just to return to who you already are, like, it's not about becoming someone else. It's about becoming who you already are, beneath everything that you're not. So I had this vision of writing a book, and it was always like, now is not the right time. And we tell ourselves now is not the right time for a few reasons. One, because we have fear and limiting beliefs that are talking us out of it. And sometimes it's just truly not aligned for the right time. And for me, it's because I was still living the book that I would be writing. So my book starts with me getting on a flight in 2018 to move across the country to restart my life. And it ends in 2023 with me getting on a flight to move across the world to create my life. So it really just, I was still living the book. So that was really like one of the, one of the main things that I had as far as my vision of Bali. It's like, I'm going to write my book in Bali and that's what I did.

Lesley Logan 29:25  

Okay, the name of your book. Oh, yes.

Kel Cal 29:28  

How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face: Your Guide to Stop Settling, Fall in Love with Yourself, and Create a Life You’re Obsessed With.

Lesley Logan 29:36  

Oh my gosh, Thank you, also, for just like saying the dates of these things because, even me, someone who is fully aware that like nothing happens overnight, I'm thinking oh, until, oh, she moved in 2021. You know what I mean? Like I just have, you had the, you had the intuition. You're like okay, I moved. No, it took you a couple more years like it took a, you know, like, everything takes a little bit of time and it's allowed to take time. But I love that you said like we'll say things like, now's not the right time. Another phrase we say is I can't afford, and what I love to reframe those as I'm not, I'm not choosing to do that in this moment, or I'm not choosing to invest that money in that thing right now. So those are, to reframe those phrases allows you to take back control of the idea, and actually make a choice and a decision. That's not a limiting belief. And it's actually something you can explore and make a possibility. So I love, I love the name of your book, I think it's really, I think it's really hilarious. And I think, I hope a lot of our listeners grab it. What are you most excited about right now? 

Kel Cal 30:43  

Oh, so right now I am most excited about continuing to move towards becoming the version of myself that is fully creating the impact that I know I am here to make. So I have the vision of becoming a published author and sharing my journey. And I'm so, so proud of this book. And it's just my first book, because I know that there are future books that I'm currently living. So that was that was like one pillar, becoming an author. And then I have this vision of becoming a speaker. So I actually just invested in public speaking mentorship program. It's an eight-week program. And at the end of the program, I will be speaking at an event. It's called Fab X, which is kind of like Bali's version of TEDx, but with a little bit more soul ads. You know, as a coach, I really believe in the power of working with the coach and investing in yourself. Because, first of all, like, could you do any of this on your own? Could I, I worked with a coach to write my book. Could I've written my book on my own? Absolutely. But why not work with someone who's done what you want to do? So that way, they can guide you and support you. 

Lesley Logan 31:50  

I love that. 

Kel Cal 31:51  

And also, when you invest in yourself, that's like the first step of the transformation. Because the moment you say yes, and you actually put your money where your mouth is, it's kind of forcing you to start showing up in a new way. So by me investing in this program, it's like proclaiming to the universe like, yes, I'm committed to this, I'm showing up to this because my words are my gift, both written and spoken. So now I need to become the version of myself who can really share that gift.

Lesley Logan 32:23  

I love, I love and I couldn't agree more like, y'all, as a Pilates instructor, I have a Pilates instructor. As a coach, I have a coach. Like, the you, yes, you can get places on your own, but you can go really slow. You have a lot more detours. And it's always nice to have a guide who's you know, been where you want to go and then you'll evolve and you'll find another guide for yourself. So that's beautiful. We're gonna take a brief break, then we're gonna find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 32:55  

All right, Kel, where do you hang out? Where's your book at? How do we, how do we stalk you a little bit in the best way? 

Kel Cal 33:01  

Okay, so I hang out on Instagram a lot. I love Instagram stories. So you can connect with me there @IamKelCal I also have my podcast which you have been a guest on. It's an amazing episode. My podcast is Dear Dumb Bitch. And my book How I Cured My Resting Bitch Face is available on Amazon and other retailers like Barnes and Noble, but Amazon's probably the best way to get it. 

Lesley Logan 33:29  

Love it, we'll have all those links below. Okay. It's been a fun, it's been amazing, you've given us so much already. But bold, executable, intrinsic, target steps people can take away to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Kel Cal 33:43  

Okay, I actually have two and I really want to share both of them. So when we have a vision for ourself and our life, when we make like the vision board, a lot of the times we think it's about the things on the vision board, it's about the vacation, it's about the dream job, it's about the dream partner. And it's not really about any of those things, it's about how we think those things will make us feel. So we don't manifest what we want, we manifest what we are, which means we need to actually embody the emotions of what it is that we desire. so that way we can become an energetic match for them. So, one way you can do this is, it's actually a two-part process. So, identify the emotions that you think you will feel once you have the things on the vision board, and then create opportunities to begin to feel those emotions now. So let's just say you want a six-figure bank accounts. Okay? How is that going to make you feel? It might make me feel like I have stability and security. So start creating opportunities to feel what it's like to have stability and security in your life now. And then also look for ways that you already have stability and security in your life because that's going to start to create the neural pathways to start to recognize where you already have it, and then you can invite more of it in. So creating opportunities to experience more of the emotion, and also looking for ways that it's already present in your life. It might not be through financial means, but it might mean through other aspects of your life. So that's, that's one. And then the other way is, so, music is energy. And energy carries a frequency, which also allows us to calibrate. So pick a song and make it be your theme song that really embodies the energy of how you want to feel in the future. And then play that song every single morning, it's important to do it in the morning, because it's easy to just have the day go on and then you forget to actually do it. But put this song on and actually feel the emotions that the song is allowing you to connect with, that really represents how you desire to feel in the future, and how your life is going to feel in the future. So that way, you can have that energetic connection, because that's really how you're able to become a match for what it is that you desire.

Lesley Logan 36:15  

I'm obsessed with these. I've never had either of these as I mean, we've had lots of manifestation tips, but that was fucking awesome. Kel, I love them both. And now I'm like what song we want to play tomorrow morning like I (inaudible) music journey. 

Kel Cal 36:32  

Yeah, and allow yourself to like move and actually like move in the way future you moves and embody that energy because that's, it's magical. 

Lesley Logan 36:44  

I used to play level up at my studio, whenever I'd come in to my studio when I first opened it and I would like blast, it'd be like 7:30 in the morning, like just like level up, right? And then and then I would play Now We Are Free in between each client. So I could like wash my hands from the gladiator and like now I'm free of that energy like, not that I hated them. That's not it at all. It's just that people leave their energy around. And that was like my way of staging my studio. But I love the idea of playing the song of the person I want to be and like the energy I want to embody. That's brilliant. Fuck yeah. Love this. Kel, you are so awesome. Thank you so much for sharing your tips. We'll have to have you back, of course. And you guys, how are we going to use these tips in your life? Tag Kel, tag the Be It Pod. Let us know, go get her book, and, you know, give yourself permission to be continually learning. Doesn't mean you failed. I think it's really easy. I hear some of our listeners what, I should have learned that already. It's like you did, you're just at a new level now. So I feel like that's one of the best messages I got from this podcast episode. So thank you Kel, for giving us that. And y'all, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 37:51  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 38:18  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 38:33  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 38:38  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 38:43  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 38:50  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 38:53  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan shares her excitement for launching an event earlier than expected, reflecting on the year-long effort and celebrating this achievement with listeners. She emphasizes the power of small, consistent action in achieving bigger goals, the importance of daily self-care practices, and finding moments of movement in their day. Tune in to discover community wins and why Lesley reminds everyone to listen to their intuition and follow their hearts.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The importance of prioritizing 10 minutes of Pilates on a busy day.
• The power of consistent Pilates practice on glute engagement. 
• The reciprocal nature of sharing knowledge with mentors and peers.
• The result of a year's worth of smaller steps and decision-making.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Happy June 14th. That's the day (inaudible) dropping. And it doesn't mean that today you're listening to this. So happy day. I'm so excited that you are choosing to listen to the Be It Pod, especially on FYF day, that means you are here for a little dose of inspiration, some wins of yours, a win of mine, for us to explore different ways we can look at different wins. And I think it's so, so important because we can be so hard on ourselves and not realize that there are winning, it's happening all the time. So there's different ways to celebrate things. And so FYF just means Fuck Yeah Friday.

 You can do an FYF on any day of the week. You can have like a Slay it Saturday or Sunday or you know, Magic Monday, whatever you want. But if this, hopefully, starts to help you seek out and see the possibility of positive things happening in your life amongst all of the chaos. All right, so this one is from Jennifer Voss (JV). She's an eLevate member, currently, and she got 10 minutes on her reformer before going to work today. Working on getting out of the habit of skipping, there's always time in my day to practice one move even. Today, flowed two times for the long stretch series. Way to go, JV. So I just want to highlight this, there's always going to be somebody that feels like it's bigger priority than you getting your movement in. Always. I know, like, I'll just do it tomorrow. I don't have enough time. 10 minutes of movement is so, so important. If you find little bouts of movement moments in your day, it's really great. And one of the things that I stress for Pilates instructors, you need to protect your practice, an easy part of your daily life, even if it's 10 minutes, even if it's five minutes. But for everyone else listening because there's more of you than the Pilates instructors. You need to protect your practice. I know that you have bills to pay and people pulling on you and screaming your name too many times during the day. But you will have more energy to deal with all of that if you take care of yourself and move even for 10 minutes in the day. 

All right next up we have Jaime Thomas also an eLevate member. By the way we will be opening up eLevate we've had a lot of questions on eLevate. We'll open up eLevate 2025 probably anytime now. So Jaime Thomas, she's like, this is small, but in my mind it's also really big. I'm starting to feel my glutes when I walk, the connections I'm working on my Pilates practice are carrying over into everyday living. I'm so excited. You know what, that's a huge win. I'm being really honest, especially as someone whose glutes didn't, I didn't, I never felt that. So, I feel this is a huge win for you, Jamie. It's, your posture is so key. And if you're feeling your glutes when your walk, like your longevity in this life is just like exponentially expanded. And I'm so grateful. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for taking care of yourself and for your practice. And, you guys, yeah, feeling your glutes when you walk is a win. So, maybe you're like, oh, I feel my glutes when I walk. I'm winning too. Good. Celebrate that. 

All right, next up we have Liza Osoteo. So, Lisa is an eLevate grad. She also taught at the OPC Summer Camp. She also cracks me up and I cannot wait for her to be at our Cambodia retreat this year with her friend Mandy. All right, I taught my teacher and dearest of friends, Mandy Bland. It was a brief second finessing her side bend on the mat, but what a huge moment for me. It took me years and many Pilates teachers to get to that point. How cool is that? And how cool, is it that I have accumulated so many Pilates teachers over the years, I could write an Oscar speech that would require the orchestra to play me off. Don’t worry, I’ll save the thank you speech for my own socials (besides, I need to practice tagging them which is another win-in-the-making: becoming slightly more social media literate). But back to this FYF, thank you Mandy Bland. Oh, my gosh. You know, something I love about Liza is how, how fun she is in everything that she does. But I really truly do love and learn a lot about different things of positivity from her. And so I hope that if you have ever taken a moment to teach someone who's taught you to think something that you see as a win. You know, a lot of times I don't think we have something to offer people who've taught us other things but they don't know everything. It's impossible. I don't know everything you can't know everything. So we can all be helping each other out and those are wins and we can celebrate those. So thank you Liza for showing us that there are wins and us teaching other people just something small, something little that can take them to the next level on their life and even in that exercise, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 

All right, here we go. My win. Summer Tour is open, it is launched and holy moly, this win is happening because it's happening earlier than we normally would have done it for summer camp usually, like just there's so many moving parts. And so I'm just really, really proud that we hit all those deadlines to get Summer Tour open, that we're doing a summer tour is also just a win, a year in the making. Been doing little celebrations around it without actually highlighting it for you guys, but to do Summer Tour required us a year in advance to clear the schedule. And it required us to start to gather up other people's names and places we could go and really contemplate what could be possible and dream about it before it could even happen. (Inaudible) about this year's summer tour before we did last year's summer tour. So, we didn't even know if we would like it. We didn't know what would be possible, we didn't know if it would be too much on ourselves. And so the fact that we have opened up the registration, we have amazing cities that we're going to. New cities we've never been to before. New collaborative partners. Our amazing headline sponsor, Balanced Body is back. All like these massive, it's one big massive win, which is this accumulation of a lot of little wins and betting on ourselves. And so if you have this big dream that's a year in advance, you have to celebrate the little wins you get along the way. So you might not have heard other wins that I've had in the last year, which is like changing the schedule. Last year, I was so proud that we hadn't like booked things for this year. And the reason we hadn't done that is because we needed to see if we could put in these summer tours. And so just notice the little wins that you're having that are adding up to you being able to have the big win in a year from now because they do add up. And so thank you to my team, thank you to our sponsors, thank you to collaborative partners. (inaudible) You know, we wouldn't do our tours, if you didn't come until I really hope to see you at one of those amazing cities because that would be a win as well. To me is their win, their wins in getting to be in person together and getting to give a hug and getting to see your face and hear who you are and what you love and why you listen. So I do hope you can come and, to Summer Tour and (inaudible) those cities. We will be doing a winter tour, but you'll find out about that later.

We are already making many little wins on that as we speak. Some more on that to come. But thank you so much for being you. I hope these wins helped you see different ways that you might have been winning already this week, or even today. Maybe you taught someone something today, maybe you helped someone, you know, cross the street, that's a win, right? It's a win because there's a lot of things going on in your life and you were able to be present enough to support someone else. So think about the different ways you're winning, celebrate those with others, you can be the inspiration of positivity around you. 

And before I let you go, of course we have the mantra that we all need to remember by okay, my heart knows its own way. My heart knows its own way. My heart knows its own way. So, listen to it. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:59  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:04  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

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Brad Crowell 9:08  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:15  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

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Brad Crowell 9:19  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Lesley and Brad reflect on key insights from Rodman Schley, an entrepreneur, investor, and public speaker, about living a purpose-driven life. They explore startling statistics about how few people truly know and live their purpose. Emphasizing the importance of focusing on purpose over profit, they share strategies for overcoming regret and societal pressures. Listeners will also learn about managing overwhelm and prioritizing self-care to stay aligned with their goals.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The importance of identifying and focusing on purpose over profit.
• Strategies to handle feelings of overwhelm by redefining obligations.
• How to clearly communicate your purpose clearly to others.
• Creating your own "sacred checkboxes" to find your purpose. 
• Discover the importance of self-care and setting personal priorities.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia Feb 2025 - https://crowsnestretreats.com/
• OPC Summer Tour
• eLevate Mentorship Program
• Barrels Flashcards Deck Waitlist
• OPC 40 Days for $40
• Rodman Schley Website
• Rodman Schley Instagram
• The Outlier Mindset Book by Rodman Schley
• Bree Gordon Episode 75
• Krista St. Germain Episode 235
• Kim Hamer Episode 244
• Kim Hamer 100 Acts of Love
• Dazzle Dry Nail Kit

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

He said, There comes a point in your life where you need to just pull the brake on that train because we're adults, we're adults. Why are we doing things because other people are telling us that that's what we should be doing? Right? We are able to make conscious decisions and we can change these paths if we want to, for ourselves, if we make a decision about it. 

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:07  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intentional convo I had with Rodman Schley in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, go back and listen to that interview and then come back and listen to this interview or listen to this one and listen to that one or binge out on the entire week at one time. Who does that? I want to know. Today is June 13th 2024. And it's Random Acts of Light Day. About this day, as part of the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society’s ‘Light The Night Walks’ fundraising campaign, Random Acts of Light Day is celebrated every year on June 13th. This day encourages us to do a random act of kindness to bring light into the life of someone suffering from cancer. People observe the day by volunteering at hospitals, reading up on treatments and cures for blood cancer patients, or joining the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society’s 'Light The Night Walks' to raise funds and increase awareness about leukemia and lymphoma. Random Acts of Light Day aims to make the world a kinder place for cancer patients and their families. So really, if you don't want to do any of this logistical stuff, you could just do something randomly nice for someone with cancer in your life. I'm sure you know someone, we just had a friend, listener and member of our group whose husband passed away from cancer recently, and he'd been fighting for many years. And then Heather Ingram, who is one of our eLevate grads, Agency members, she actually taught a mat class for people after breast cancer, which I'm so excited that is now on the OPC site. Yeah, so getting people who have gone through it something for them, so. 

Brad Crowell 2:38  

Well, I just wanted to say something about all this, I can't remember the name of the guest that we had, who gave this advice as an action item, but as a Be It Action Item. But it has stayed with me since the interview. And it was when somebody is in need, you don't want to just say, "Hey, let me know if I can help you," or "Let me know how I can help." Because 99% of the time, they're not going to actually know what they need at the moment. And instead, if you know someone who needs help or suffering or some kind of thing like this, you can actually volunteer something specific that you know, you can do really well. And do it well for them. Right? So instead of it being like this open-ended let me know when, you know, if you need anything, you know, you could say, "Hey, let me know when I can come over and wash your car." Something specific, you know, something that's like tangible, and like, oh my god, that would be fucking awesome. I would really, really appreciate that. So I just want to throw that back out there because it's really impacted me in how I respond to people who actually are going through something and I wanted to remind all of you as well. 

Lesley Logan 3:50  

Yeah. We had two guests within the same summer on grief. 

Brad Crowell 3:57  

I do think it was the grief one, you're right. 

Lesley Logan 3:58  

And I can't decide if it was the wife does the books that had the book about 100 acts of kindness. Or if it was the coach on grief

Brad Crowell 4:09  

Bree Gordon or Kim Hamer. 

Lesley Logan 4:11  

Yeah. Both are great guys. Both worth listening to. Bree has a quiz that will tell you which episodes to listen to based on like where you are in your grief. Anyways, there was a coach about a month before Kim Hamer. But Kim Hamer, I think was one who was like, very specific. 

Brad Crowell 4:28  

She's a consultant in grief management. 

Lesley Logan 4:29  

Yes, yes. For corporations. Yeah. So she wrote the book on the 100 Acts of Kindness and 100 Acts of Love something like that. And it was like different things you can do to be like for ideas on what to suggest and what to do for you can do for people it's really cool. She had the neighbor who like detailed her car and put oil in it, gassed it up, things like that. So yeah, today go do something active and random and nice for someone in need. There you go. This is your, this is your reminder. Coming up, we have Cambodia Retreat February 2025. October as you know, if you've been listening for a while is sold, sold out, so sold out. So February is our next opportunity. If you're like when's the next one? You know what? Don't know yet, and also stop postponing your joy. Stop postponing having a retreat. Some of you have been saying I'm gonna go to the next one for years now. This is your sign. Sign up for the February 2025 one. And then summer tour just launched and tickets are going like crazy. We have 13 cities. It is going to be amazing. We are going to kick it off in Las Vegas

Brad Crowell 5:28  

I just wanted to throw out the URL crowsnestretreats.com 

Lesley Logan 5:31  

Oh, for the retreat. crowsnestretreats.com for the retreat and then the Summer Tour is opc.me/tour. You can check out, get your tickets, get your tickets for a friend, invite a friend, your friends do not need to have done Pilates to come to these things. There are really, there's usually a math class. There's a lot of fun things going on. So definitely do that. And then my mentorship program is, the applications are opening soon. It is possible we'll have opened them up, I don't think so at this point. I think it'll be opening towards the end of June and early July. We're rolling, we only can take 12 people in a group. We, around four is wrapping up, actually, this weekend when this episode comes out will be their fourth weekend. That's crazy. So crazy. I'm so excited for them. They're just amazing women. I love them so much. And then as you go to lesleylogan.co/elevate to get on the waitlist because there's a waitlist. Get the application invite. If you're not on the waitlist, you don't. It's probably why you don't, if you're like, I follow you on Instagram, I never knew. I don't know how about what there's a lot of other things going on. And we only can take 12 people, so there you go. Barrels flashcards, Brad is insisting that you get an opportunity.

Brad Crowell 6:39  

This is your last chance to get on the waitlist, 100% the last chance. The presale is gonna open up in just a couple of days. 

Lesley Logan 6:46  

Yeah, this is the last chance. It's the last time we're talking about it. You don't hear about it again until they're printing.

Brad Crowell 6:50  

Yeah, or not until a year from now when we're doing the next step.

Lesley Logan 6:54  

Yeah, so at any rate, you'll want to get on the waitlist for that. 

Brad Crowell 6:57  

opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist 

Lesley Logan 7:03  

And finally, many of you have been like, oh, how do I actually sign up for OPC I really want to actually have consistency in my practice. I want to be someone who takes care of myself all the time. I want to be someone who is priority number one in my life. And if you are an OPC member, you learn how to do that because you have tons of people around you reminding you to do that. So opc.me/40 four zero, opc.me/40 gets you 40 days for $40. So that's $1 a day of Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 7:32  

$1 a day. 

Lesley Logan 7:33  

Come on now. Come on now. Some places charge $400 a month, we're, you know, so here you go. Here's your opportunity to get the Pilates you can afford. It's very accessible, really awesome teachers, really awesome community. It's an awesome vibes all the way. Before we get into Rodman, we have an audience question.

Brad Crowell 7:50  

We sure did. This is from YouTube, stella633 asked, "Hey, I love your channel and all the knowledge you share. I'm trying to buy a spine corrector. But there are so many different spine correctors on the Balanced Body website. Could you do a video comparing the pros and cons of the different spine correctors? Oh, and can you advise what East Coast West Coast barrels mean?

Lesley Logan 8:10  

I know. So we'll do 

Brad Crowell 8:13  

That's a great question, stella. 

Lesley Logan 8:14  

We'll do a YouTube video on this so you can have pictures I feel like we almost need to do a long-form team versus a live on this because I don't have the other barrels. So I would want our team to put pictures of the other barrels on there. But let me just like answer what I can East Coast versus West Coast. So there's this world of Pilates that was like was we called East Coast and West Coast East Coast being classical, West Coast bidding contemporary. 

Brad Crowell 8:37  

Really? 

Lesley Logan 8:37  

Yes. 

Brad Crowell 8:38  

I didn't know about that.

Lesley Logan 8:39  

Yeah. Yeah. So whenever you see East Coast or Clara, it means classical. And everything else is gonna be a contemporary and I can't tell you why there's different sizes in contemporary I don't know that world very much, but what you'd want to get is a Contrology one. Contrology Spine Corrector is a spine corrector to get and you'll find that on Balance Body's Contrology website so it won't, probably won't even be under all the barrels that Balanced Body is showing because it'll be on the Contrology website. It is amazing. It is the closest to Joseph Pilates' spine corrector that there is and if you were listening to last week's episode, I talked about how important the spine corrector is because it really does help you teach you the back bend that you need. Brad has been using the ladder barrel.

Brad Crowell 9:22  

 I sure have.

Lesley Logan 9:22  

Like, guess what? That hump on the ladder barrel is the exact same as the spine corrector. 

Brad Crowell 9:27  

Nice. Okay. 

Lesley Logan 9:27  

Yeah. So that you can actually work and practice your back bends and build extension into your thoracic spine. 

Brad Crowell 9:33  

You know what I've actually been doing? 

Lesley Logan 9:34  

He's been hanging on it. 

Brad Crowell 9:36  

No, yeah, well, I've just been laying over it and holding on and like, it's, you know, if you've ever done yoga, y'all, and you ever get a backbend headache, there's like this weird pressure that builds and like, it like, the blood flow is like really messing with your brain. And I literally just hold on until I'm through the chaos which takes it could take like the other day I did it and literally I got weak trying to hold because it was such intense pressure. But like, I feel like I'm supposed to be able to do that. And I shouldn't have to have that insane pressure the whole every time. So I'm going to keep doing it every day. Until that happens less.

Lesley Logan 10:18  

Yeah, I think that's fine.

Brad Crowell 10:20  

That's what I'm doing. 

Lesley Logan 10:22  

Yeah, so (inaudible) so the long, the long and short of it without the visuals is the Contrology is the one you want buy, just saying. And our Barrels Flashcard Deck is actually going to give you all the exercises you can do on it, and you'll see me and my hot pink one. If you want a discount link, you can use our special link to Contrology Spine Corrector. And the difference between East Coast and West Coast is just the schools of thought. Don't you love how nerdy it is as if anyone who's not trained could even attempt to buy their own thing. And then people who are trained are like, what's East Coast or West Coast? Yep. Welcome to another inner circle.

Brad Crowell 11:04  

Definitely, we're so inclusive here. Well, hey, great question, stella. Thank you for asking that. Thanks for posting that. If you would like to ask us a question. Stick around to the end of this episode, we actually are gonna mention our phone number. You can just text us and ask that question or we are on Instagram you can send us a DM or obviously we're also on YouTube. So the show is itself is on YouTube. You can ask any questions there as well. Stick around. All right, now let's talk about Rodman Schley. Rodman Schley is a dynamic entrepreneur dedicated to helping individuals break free from unfulfilling work and discover their true purpose. He's passionate about guiding others towards building a life by their own design. As the author of The Outlier Mindset, which comes out on June 4, Rodman shares his insights on achieving a fulfilling and successful life through purpose-driven living.

Lesley Logan 11:54  

Oh his, his book comes out.

Brad Crowell 11:56  

Yeah June 4.

Lesley Logan 11:57  

That's so cool. So it's out. 

Brad Crowell 11:59  

Oh, it's out. 

Lesley Logan 12:00  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 12:00  

It's already out by the time you're hearing this.

Lesley Logan 12:01  

Oh, that's amazing. Go Rodman. 

Brad Crowell 12:03  

Yeah, that just dropped on June 4. 

Lesley Logan 12:04  

That's so funny. His Instagram handle's Go Rodman and I just said go Rodman. I now understand why he does that.

Brad Crowell 12:12  

Well, listen, I think this is like a humble bio here that we have of Rodman.

Lesley Logan 12:15  

That we should like (inaudible) it up. 

Brad Crowell 12:17  

Yeah. So Rodman actually has, at one point, owned, like, I don't know, a dozen companies at exactly the same time, which is chaos and insane. And I can't even imagine that. He owned everything from like a chain of pizza stores, to like tons of real estate opportunities. And he actually was the host and star of a television show for multiple years running, and it involved his whole family and what they were doing, which I thought was so cool, was they were talking about living sustainably. Right. So it was a show about being conscious about building a home in a way that is sustainable and beneficial. And I just thought that was so cool. So they actually rebuilt their house. It was, they got an old house, and they rebuilt it from the inside out on the show live over multiple seasons. And you can still go watch that show. now. I think he just got an offer from Netflix or something to like, re-air it. I can't remember if it's Netflix or (inaudible) yeah, it's just fucking insane. It's so cool. Anyway, you'll never know. He's just like the chillest guy, so. 

Lesley Logan 13:24  

Yeah. So, one of the things that we talked about is he believes that the tragedy that only 5% of people are actually living a life based on their purpose. Just 5%. And he's, only 10% know what it is. And so

Brad Crowell 13:37  

Meaning they don't, they know their purpose. 

Lesley Logan 13:39  

Yeah, they know their purpose.

Brad Crowell 13:40  

Ninety percent of people don't know their purpose. 

Lesley Logan 13:41  

Yeah, he's trying to help people figure out their purpose, because he's trying to solve regret, like people get to the end of their life, or they get halfway through their life. And they're like, they have regrets because they've spent most of their life not in their purpose. And so he's trying to solve for that, which I think is really generous and kind and hard to do, because so many people postpone things till tomorrow, because they have other pressing things today. And so he says, time flies by us, we get caught up in this garbage that's not really relevant to who we are, or in the life that we want to be living. And he actually was like, just stop focusing on the profit and start focusing on the purpose. And this is something that we try to focus on our businesses, it gets really easy to focus on, like, are we making enough money, we're making the money we want to make and when we actually remember to focus on impact, the impact you want to have, that helps us stay in alignment with our purpose because then the money will follow right? 

Brad Crowell 13:41  

The money will flow. 

Lesley Logan 13:41  

And he said, you want to be able to say I have no regrets. I have everything that I wanted to do, failed but learned and pivoted. And I think that that's also like, I love that he brought up failure because like sometimes it's easy to think if I'm in my purpose, then I must be perfect. And everything is gonna be right and it's like actually going to live in your purpose and there's going to be a lot of lessons along the way in your purpose. And that's really cool too. So I just, I enjoyed him so much. I'm so glad he's got a book coming out because he, his podcast, you guys, is so great. He's got like, he's like, get your mind right, get your mind right. 

Brad Crowell 15:12  

Yeah, mind body money. And there's one, there's a fourth pillar I can't remember. Well, I'll tell you why I thought it was really cool when he was talking about feeling overwhelmed. Because it was a, it was kind of a unique perspective on being overwhelmed. I mean, we've all been there, we all understand what it is to be like, oh, my god, I have so much, I don't even know where to start. It's debilitating, right, you just do nothing. For me, what I used to do, when I got overwhelmed, was stop and just play video games and just do nothing literally sit around and pretend that it's all going to be okay. He said, the thing about overwhelm, that I thought was a unique perspective is obligation. And effectively, it's a whole lot of obligations all pulled into one, they're all piling on top of each other, and they're getting in their own way. And it's the worst feeling. And he said, it's just struggle, because effectively you're doing things that you feel obliged to do, committed to do. It's a thing, you just have to do it, right? And ultimately, to live a life of freedom. He wants to help you shift that so that you're doing things because you want to, not because you're stuck doing with them, or you're over-committed a thousand times over and you're doing the PTA meeting and the art committee and going out and helping out do the soccer field and line in the soccer field and all this stuff, which sure there's a there's a bigger purpose for it all. But ultimately, it leaves you last on the list. Right? And you never you never actually have time to take care of yourself. It's just frustrating. Right? So he said, he said the hard part is we have this idea of what we are, quote-unquote, supposed to be doing because that's what society tells us to do. And he said, there comes a point in your life where you need to just pull the brake on that train. Because we're adults, we're adults. Why are we doing things because other people are telling us that that's what we should be doing? Right? We are able to make conscious decisions, and we can change these paths if we want to for ourselves, if we make a decision about it. Right? And I know it's harder. It's, it's easier said than done. But I just thought it was refreshing to hear that, be reminded of that. Right. You know, maybe I'm still doing something today because, you know, it's what my parents expected of me when I was a teenager. But now I'm still doing it today. Why? You know, do I agree with it? Is it actually causing conflict in my life? Is it creating an obligation that I'm now you know, adhering to? Or it's one more thing I have to do. Maybe, maybe it's time for a change. 

Lesley Logan 18:00  

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I think that's good. I think it's good to evaluate, you know, it's too easy for us just like, keep going with it. And, you know, we have a coach who says makes you a shithead. 

Brad Crowell 18:12  

It makes you a shithead. I love it. All right. When we come back, we're going to cover those Be It Action Items from Rodman. Stick around. 

Brad Crowell 18:22  

Okay, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Rodman Schley? He said, if you want to change, the first thing to do is start with a purpose. Whether you get a guide to do it on your own, or do it on your own, you should establish what is important to you sit down and do that work, right, sit down and identify what is important to you. I think that's, well, that's the place to get started. Right? We may have never actually clarified what is important to us. And so we think we know, but we've never actually conceptualized it in a tangible thought about this is important to me. And so therefore, this is helping me, this is helping me find purpose. 

Lesley Logan 19:13  

But also, you might have clarified it with yourself, but not with the people around you. And then you get resentful, like, why aren't they helping me do the thing that I'm here on this planet to do? And anytime we assume that people understand why, what our purpose is or why we're doing things, it makes it difficult. And it's like, you know, so I even have to remember to like clarify, here's why I want to do this thing. Here's why it's so important that it happens right at this moment, and here's why I'm doing it. Here's what it's gonna do for me, or here's what it's gonna do for us or here's what it's gonna do for others. And when you do, that people go, oh, okay, I see why this has urgency around it, you know, because sometimes we don't and we go, why is this person bothering me? Why is my family wanting me to make dinner? I've got this big project coming up. But if you've never said, here's why this big project is so important to me. I've been wanting to do this at work for a really long time I finally have this opportunity to present it in front of people. And it would, it's, it's really truly like the thing that I've been wanting to do for so, so long. So what I need from you is to not expect me to make dinner this week because I'm working on this thing. Because this is part of my purpose. It's part of my plan. And, and here's why I'm doing it. 

Brad Crowell 20:20  

Yeah, I mean, or even, you know.

Lesley Logan 20:22  

Spell it out. 

Brad Crowell 20:22  

It could also be use that same logic for your self care, right? Because people would look at you and be like, Why are you getting your nails done? Right? And you're like, this is important to me? Because it makes me feel better. Or maybe it's working out your Pilates routine, or getting your hair cut, or whatever it might be. But what I thought was really cool is Rodman had this idea of the sacred checklists, the checkboxes, sorry, he has four, after sitting down and running this exercise himself, and really trying to figure out, he considered things like, what are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? What do I love? What do I hate? Then take those things and put them in order into what is the most important to you and he came up with four things. One was travel, two was actually can't remember what his four were off the top my head right now. But he said it allowed him to then make decisions based on are they meeting these four checkboxes? If I'm gonna go do this thing does it fit into what is what, what I have now decided is my purpose and allowed decision-making to happen that way? Because for him, especially for him, he was overcommitted. He was overwhelmed, right, obliged to run, he was doing 12 or 13 companies at the same time. He wasn't doing them for any other reason then, he could, right, and they make money. So sure, I guess I should do these things. Right? And he said, when he sat down, figured out what his purpose was, then started making decisions based on if I do this project, is it going to meet these four, the four checkboxes that are helping me decide my purpose, you know, or to find my purpose? Does it fit? Is it a match? Is it aligned? 

Lesley Logan 22:05  

Yeah, I like that. Because we, we filter things for our values. And this is sort of, very similar, but also like, you know, we've, we've heard, we recently did something and we're like, okay, in the future, we won't say yes to these things unless they meet this criteria, because we show up exactly as ourselves, we do not downplay ourselves, we do not go half ass on anything. No. And so if we are going to bring our whole asses to things, then they need to be these requirements. Otherwise, we don't bring our whole ass and we say thank you, here's how else we can participate. And that's it. You know, so, super, and you don't always know these things until you go through them. And you're like, what the fuck? How did I say yes here? So then you just, don't, don't get mad at yourself. Just go, okay, new rule, new bucket. 

Brad Crowell 22:58  

Yeah, yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 23:00  

So he said, go get your mindset and your body right. If you're gonna go on a journey to start changing your life, and you don't have your mindset right, you're going to fail because you're not sitting there with the right perspective on the way.

Brad Crowell 23:13  

The way you're going into things.

Lesley Logan 23:14  

The way you're going into things. 

Brad Crowell 23:15  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 23:15  

And if you're not physically feeling good, how are you going to be at your best when you are trying to do the things in life that you really want to be doing? And I love this. So this is the Be It Till You See It. If the version of you that you are trying to win purpose, walks every morning, how can you walk in the morning? You don't have to wait till you get there to start walking. You can start walking, if you're like Les, I'm so busy, I don't have any time. You can walk outside your front door and walk back in like you can do it, right? So I want you to really think about that. And I think it's so, so important. So many people just push their bodies to doing things and then they get to where they want to go and their body can't keep up and they will, why is this happening to me now? I finally got what I wanted? Because you didn't take care of yourself on the way there. Just didn't do it. You know, and I, I want to say like, Brad mentioned like your getting your nails done can be like taking care of yourself. So many people put a lot of things in the vanity, privileged, I must earn it bucket. If getting your nails done actually makes you feel good and helps you show up 100% yourself get your fucking nails done. They are not a when we did my scheduling thing, my how to design your ideal schedule to live life when I have, someone said oh, are getting my nails done glitter or gemstones meaning is it something I can do anytime? Or it's gemstone time meaning it's helping me move my business forward. And I said is getting your nails done like make you feel like your whole self and she's like, yeah, like it's a rock. It's actually part of self-care that is a priority in your schedule. And so I'm not saying everyone has to get their nails done to be taking care of themselves. That's not it at all. But they're, make a list of things that you're like, these are the things I want to do for myself care, and let's see how different versions of them could exist in your exact life right now. Maybe you can't afford to get your nails done right now, guess what, you can get, we're not sponsored by them, but Dazzle Dry for 20 bucks as a kit and you can paint your own nails and they look like gel nails without the UV and they dry in 10 minutes. You're frickin welcome. You're welcome. Right? So you don't have to go spend 50 bucks on a manicure if you don't have that kind of funds and you don't have that kind of time. But just being it until you see it is not waiting until it happens. It's turning. It's taking what you think that your version of you is going to be doing and finding ways to do that right now. And you'll get there quicker so I freaking love it. I love all of it and go, Rodman. 

Brad Crowell 25:44  

Go, Rodman. 

Lesley Logan 25:45  

Congrats on your book, man and your podcast and what you're doing. And you guys, if you love gardening, you have to check out his wife's channel as well. So like she's doing some beautiful things. 

Brad Crowell 25:54  

She has a three-acre flower garden. Pretty cool. Pretty cool.

Lesley Logan 26:00  

I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 26:01  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 26:02  

Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life? How are you going to find your purpose? Make sure you tell us at the Be It Pod. Tell Rodman, @goRodman, and send this to a friend who's feeling a little bit down or lost. This is how we can help people. Sometimes we don't have the words to help people. We think of them when we're listening to a podcast. You can choose to send it to them.

Brad Crowell 26:20  

Send it.

Lesley Logan 26:20  

You don't have to have the words so you can let the other person who has words be inspired for them. All right, thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 26:27  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 26:29  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 26:57  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 27:12  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 27:17  

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Brad Crowell 27:21  

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Lesley Logan 27:28  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 27:31  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Join Lesley Logan as she interviews entrepreneur and author, Rodman Schley, on discovering and living a life driven by purpose. Rodman discusses the unfortunate statistic that less than 10% of people know their purpose, let alone live it, and offers practical steps to help listeners break free from societal expectations and align with their true calling. He introduces the concept of “sacred checkboxes” and emphasizes the significance of prioritizing purpose over profit. This episode provides actionable insights and inspiration for anyone seeking a more fulfilling and meaningful life.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The importance of identifying and living by your life purpose.
• Rodman’s “sacred checkboxes” framework for decision-making.
• The significance of aligning with a supportive community.
• The outlier mindset and its role in achieving success.
• Practical steps to overcome people-pleasing tendencies.
• The importance of prioritizing physical and mental health.
• Strategies for achieving financial stability while pursuing your purpose.

Episode References/Links:

• Rodman Schley Instagram
• Rodman Schley Website
• The Outlier Mindset Book
• Free Guide That Helps You Discover Your Purpose

Guest Bio:

Rodman Schley is an entrepreneur, real estate investor and valuation expert, and public speaker. He is an Emmy-nominated TV host and producer, and an acclaimed author. His influential work spans various sectors, garnering national acclaim. Rodman’s philosophy, centered on living with purpose and passion, is shared in his popular keynote "The Outlier Mindset: Living with Purpose and Evolving Exponentially," and his books "The Outlier Mindset" and "Vacation Property Secrets”. He has been involved in the creation and sale of over 25 businesses, ranging from a TV production studio to a poker tour. Currently, he leads Blue Fusion Capital, focusing on investing in short-term vacation rentals, and hosts "The Outlier Mindset Podcast." Rodman has managed and performed over $20 billion in property valuations and served on the Appraisal Institute National Board of Directors, including a term as its 2021 President. Rodman also shines in the TV industry, notably for creating, producing, and hosting the award-winning PBS show "Urban Conversion," which explores sustainability. This show has earned numerous accolades, including 32 Telly awards and an Emmy nomination.

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Episode Transcript:

Rodman Schley 0:00  

That's why it drives me nuts that only 5% are living that purpose-driven life. Five percent. So, 95% of people are getting to an end of their life and sitting there going, "Man, I wish I would've done this. I wish I would have aligned myself with that." And that is one of the saddest things in the world to me. So when people ask, "Rodman, what are you trying to solve for in life?" It's always, "I'm trying to solve for regret."

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:06  

All right, Be It babe. This is, well, this is going to be good. This is going to be deep. This is going to be amazing. A dear friend of Brad and mine, Rodman Schley is our guest today. I've been on his podcast, if you listened to The Outlier Mindset because I was on it, then you know who Rodman is. I wanted to have him on because you hear people often say like, you gotta just figure out your purpose. Just know your why. Why is it so important? And Rodman shares so much good stuff about the importance of our purpose, and how few people are actually living there, and also how few people know what theirs is. And don't worry, there is a way to figure out what yours is, in this episode. I'm going to say at the end. We also just talked about just the importance of being an outlier. And that's his podcast, that's his book. And I think in a world where we all want to belong and we can be a people-pleaser, like that can even be really scary. But it's also like the key to everything we want. So it's a really, really great episode, I hope that you listen all the way to the end. I feel like I went and took an educational course at the end on what to do next. And so take a listen. Take some notes. Send this to a friend. And when you do figure out what your purpose is, I want to know it and I know for sure Rodman wants, too. So make sure you give us a DM and let us know how it's going. Here is Rodman.

Lesley Logan 2:21  

All right, Be It babe, I'm really excited to talk with our guest today. He's a dear friend of Brad and I and we have inside jokes, outside jokes like just had the best time. I was honored to be a guest on his podcast. Rodman Schley is here today to basically share what he rocks at and how you can Be It Till You See It. So Rodman, tell us who you are and what you're all about.

Rodman Schley 2:39  

Well, number one, so jazzed to be here. And yes, we are dear friends and we were fast friends. I know, we haven't known each other that long. But man, it was a fast friend kind of relationship. So. So happy to be here. You know what I do. I'm an entrepreneur by heart, always been an entrepreneur my entire life. And for me, I think it's such a tragedy because only 5% of people are actually living a life based on their purpose only 10% even know what it is. So for me, I want to help those people who are stuck, who are sitting in that nine to five who are at that desk, who are doing the things they don't want to be doing in life, and wasting all that precious time. Because time is just not a renewable resource. And I want to help those people, break free from those chains, understand entrepreneurship, and then understand how they can build a life by their own design, not by what life is telling them they should be living, but the life that they really were meant to be living. Absolutely love it.

Lesley Logan 3:31  

Okay, there's, I love so much about you. But I definitely think the listeners' ears perked up because mine did on less than 10% of people know what their purpose is. And less than 5% are actually living it. And I actually, you know, we've heard, like, you know, your why should make you cry, the seven layers to why, like all these things, and I actually think people get so hung up on what is their life's purpose? And I think that sometimes they think if they just sit there and think about it long enough, it will just come to them, which I feel like puts so much pressure on the purpose to actually come through. So I don't know, have you figured out how people can figure out their life's purpose?

Rodman Schley 4:07  

It's a big one, right? But you gotta live with that, right? Because nothing else is going to come if you don't understand that part of the equation, how are you going to go out and really execute on what you want to be doing? So it's really, really important work. With so many people get caught up in the day to day of what they're doing, that they fail to sit down and really identify what is that purpose? What do I love? And, you know, for me, it was what I call the sacred checkbox. Being a serial entrepreneur. Probably one of the biggest mistakes I made was I had too many companies, too many businesses, because I always lead with profit over purpose. I thought if I could make money doing it. I was gonna do it. And then the next shiny thing would come along. It's like, can I make money? I'm going to do it. Pretty soon I just wore myself thin and wore myself out to the point where I just couldn't do it anymore. So the important thing was, number one, to start putting purpose in front of money, putting purpose in front of profit, and that's where I can came up with my sacred checkboxes. It's one of those things where I have what I want to be doing in life, how I want my life to look what I want to build my life around. And then if something comes into my life and says, hey, look at this, try this, we can make a lot of money at that. If it doesn't check my boxes. It's how it's just gone. So you can really focus in. 

Lesley Logan 5:20  

So are those sacred checkboxes, would you call them like a value that you have? Or is it just, is it more like my family has to be priority, sleep? Or how do you figure out your checkboxes, I guess?

Rodman Schley 5:29  

It's soul searching. I mean, it's going pretty deep, or you're going down and going, Okay, what do I want my life to look like? When I get up in the morning what do I want to build that I'm really excited about that really is aligned with who I am. I came up with four, I mean, my four sacred checkboxes, I love to travel. So travel was one of those boxes. I love to invest. I'm a real estate guy. I've always been an investor. So invest was on there. But I also love to teach. And I love to inspire. I love to get people out of their chains and out into the world. Right? So those are my four checkboxes. And so what do I do? Well, I've got a private equity company, that we buy short-term vacation rentals. So there is my travel box and there's also my invest box. So now I can get up, I can travel all over the world, I can go to the properties that I'm buying, I can be investing in properties, it's a fantastic thing that checks a lot of those boxes, and then the ability to go out and just kind of teach and inspire. I believe that you get to a point in life where if you're just hoarding your knowledge, if you're just keeping it all to yourself and you're not passing it back down, you're not doing a service at all to society. You need to make sure that you're taking those things, and helping people shorten their learning curve. So if it's a five-year thing to learn, how can we help that person get there in two, or you know, what, just whatever it might be. How can we get people there quicker by sharing our knowledge? I think it's just such a important part of life. 

Lesley Logan 5:32  

Yeah, I agree. I think it's really true. And also, you know, people listen to podcasts. I know, I've said this before, but like, information without integration is constipation. Like, if you just keep hoarding all this knowledge, you're gonna feel really stuck at some point. 

Rodman Schley 7:02  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 7:04  

Thank you for sharing what your boxes are. I love that there's only four, too, because we have too many boxes, it becomes impossible for anything to check a lot of them. Um, you know, so you don't want to have too many. It's kind of like when we are doing values for myself and for our business it was like you don't have seven values, because you'll never remember them. No one in the company will remember them. It's really easy. If you have like three to five, kind of like, these are the most important things that matter. The other stuff is just kind of gravy. And then I love that you shared things have to filter through the boxes for you to say yes, it can't just be something to check. Because I agree, especially for entrepreneurs, from people who are big-ideas people, which is a lot of people who listen to show, like, I hear a great idea and I'm like, oh my god, I have to start doing that idea. Yesterday, or two days ago, I did a story. I'm like, I'm going to share my big idea with you all because I want someone else to do it. Like I don't have the time. But I want a coffee shop where alternative milk is the base milk, and they charge you extra for regular milk, because I'm sorry, you do not need to charge me $1 for six ounces of milk. So no, I'm all into printing money, but I want a place where alternative milk is the way to go. And if you want regular milk, you have to pay extra for that. Yeah, I'm giving it away, because it doesn't check all of my boxes on like the things that I want to be doing. But it is an idea that I have and I think it will be brilliant.

Rodman Schley 8:20  

Yeah. Well, you know, when you get that dilute, when you start to dilute you know, when you start to dilute your efforts, you're gonna get diluted results, you know, it's just not going to work out for you. So it's really important to focus in on what your superpowers are, what you're really good at, what you love. And even then, even with four checkboxes, I get up and I'm overwhelmed sometimes going, oh my gosh, there's so many great ideas coming at me, how am I going to go in and how am I going to integrate this into my life? How am I going to integrate it in my business? So when you're getting up and doing those checkboxes, at least it kind of keeps you focused in okay, is what I'm going to do today, is it going to really help me get toward where I want to be in life what I want to do with my goals? Is it going to make me feel good inside? Am I going to get out of bed I'm going to hit the alarm and be crabby because I'm not doing the stuff I want to be doing or am I going to be getting out of bed without an alarm because I can't wait to get up and knock out my day?

Lesley Logan 9:13  

Yeah, I think that's really true. I have, even with just like OPC we have so many projects that go along with this one business. It's kind of we have products, we have online classes, we've got the summer camp, we've got the things and so I basically said I'm not doing anything outside of OPC's actual classes and the tours. I'm just, it has to go through that, right? And of course, I've been asked, "Can you come here?" Can you come here? Can you come here? And there's like the party there's like oh my god I love I want to go there and like I love teaching and I love this, I'm like, hold on how can it filter through what I just said I would do because otherwise I'm just gonna get overwhelmed and so I was like yeah, I'll come to Alabama on winter tour. So you have like, that's just, that's when I'll come. And it, you know, so Alabama guys, were coming. But also like I had to be okay with I'm in, I will say, here's how I can say yes and here's how I can't say yes. And otherwise, it's just going to be too much. And you, you get overwhelmed. And then you, even though everything checks the boxes, it no longer feels fun. It doesn't feel like a choice anymore. It feels like an obligation.

Rodman Schley 10:13  

Yeah, and that's the word, we want to be doing things because we want to be doing it, because we're excited about doing them. And if it's an obligation, I mean, come on, I mean, you got to think about what it is taking you away from, right? When you're making these choices, what is this choice gonna take me out of or away from? How's it gonna remove me from what I really want to be doing in the day, and then make that choice, because so many of us will just do things that we feel bad, like, oh, I feel like I have to say yes, or I feel like I have to do this. But at the same time, all you're doing is hurting yourself. All you're doing is kind of sacrificing what you should be doing or the momentum that you might be having because you feel bad. So you got to get that out of your head. You got to get up every day and just gotta do, you know what, some things I can do, some things I can't do. Does it align with who I am and what I want to be doing or does it not align? And then move it to the side. 

Lesley Logan 10:59  

Yeah, I think it's, I think you brought up a really great point. We feel bad. Like we get invited to something and we don't feel like we have a good enough excuse to say no. Yeah, so like, no is also just perfect. You know, like, I remember how long it would like take me like draft up a note or something. And I'm like, okay, this is taking a really long time. It's I'm taking more time than if I just went to the thing. So yes, for the people-pleasers listening, do you have a really good phrase?

Rodman Schley 11:24  

Oh, my gosh, well, so for those people-pleasers, I am you. I am that people-pleaser. I am the person I love taking care of people, I love seeing people happy. I love showing up for people when I can, but you know, just you got to make sure that, again, when you're going through your process in your brain, you gotta go, you know, is this really serving me? Or is it not serving me, and it's the same thing with you know, if you've got toxic people in your life, you got to really do those identifications of. You know, so many people get these toxic people that are constantly taking from them. And there's nothing more important than your tribe. And so when you get around a group of people who fill you up, or who make you feel good, or help you move toward where you need to be going in life, go to that thing. But if you've got these commitments or these asks from people who are in that other tribe, who are always kind of bringing you down, or you know, I call it kind of that emotional and that verbal vomit that they do on you. Those are the kinds of people you can like, you know, just say no, it doesn't serve you it doesn't serve where your purpose is going, it doesn't serve where you're going. Just be able to say no, and be okay with it. Be okay. Be gracious about it, but be okay with it for yourself. 

Lesley Logan 12:29  

Yeah, yeah, that's so true. And also, like, you know, we've, we've heard, like, we are the average of the five people that we hang out with and things like that. And it's, it is true because if the people that you're around aren't up-leveling, it's going to feel really odd that you are. You're gonna feel like an outsider doing it. And if the people around you have a negative money mindset, you too will have a negative money money, like these things, just like creep into us. And so it is, we call it energy vampires. Those people who's like, suck that energy out of you. It's, you gotta, and it sucks if that person is your roommate or your partner, but you have to figure out how to limit that exposure because it does take you away from what you're here to do. And I know that people-pleasing is so hard. First of all, I want to be liked. If you don't want to be liked, and you don't really ever care what anyone else has to say, I don't know how you're on the show. I don't know how you're listening. But also most people want to belong. That's why Brené Brown is so popular. Most of us want to belong. Most of us want to be belonging in our community. And so we will do things that conform ourselves. You have been a serial entrepreneur, lots of lots of different businesses, you've done so many different things. What are you doing that you're excited about right now? And kind of like what was the impetus to starting that?

Rodman Schley 13:40  

Well, you know, so I still do a lot of things and to get everything that I'm doing now that was right in my checkboxes. But I was you know, at one point in my trajectory, there was a time, like I said, I was putting profit before purpose, and it ate me alive. Every single day, it ate me alive, it made me feel like I wasn't doing the things I wanted to be doing. My days are spent taking care of problems that I didn't really want to be addressing because I didn't like what I had surrounding me. And so I needed some change. This was back in 2009. And so I unwove that entire web, it took quite a while to do, to unweave that web, and then start to really align with my purpose. The more businesses that I had the tougher it became to unwind and sell this get rid of that move on from from whatever it might be that's holding you back. So now I've got a couple of things. I've got a private equity fund. I mentioned that. We buy these short-term vacation rentals all over the world. Beautiful. My favorite one is down in Costa Rica. Absolutely stunning. Matter of fact, it would be a perfect place for a Pilates retreat. And if you do that, I'm coming, by the way.

Lesley Logan 14:36  

Yes you are. Oh, I want to do it. I need another spot. 

Rodman Schley 14:39  

Yeah, it's absolutely stunning. And we've got this incredible Pilates and yoga platform there that would be perfect. But anyway, then I've got a book coming out called The Outlier Mindset. It's going to be out on June 4th. Love this book and it's about really being different. It's about capitalizing and who you are. And everybody, you know, so many people, we talk about that 5% living their purpose and that 10% that know what their purpose is but you know, maybe half of those are actually doing it. But we think about a bell curve, right, and like, there's a bell curve, there's, we got a left, we go up in the middle where the majority of us are, and then we come back out. Over on the left, you don't want to be those folks because those are your outliers, your bad outliers, so these are the ones doing stuff they shouldn't be doing, right? But then you've got these incredible set of people who are doing incredible things in life and they're sitting on the outside of that curve. But then you've got that 90% we talked about, maybe that 95% sitting in the middle of that bell curve. And what the outlier mindset does is it helps people go through the process to understand what do I need to do? What do I need to be to be an outlier? How do I get out of this curve? How can I break free from that? Because outliers are very unique. They're very, very unique. But the first thing is, is they're aligned with their purpose. If you don't get aligned with your purpose, there's no way you're gonna get out of that curve. You're always gonna be sitting right in the middle of that bell curve. 

Lesley Logan 15:58  

Yeah, I feel I like the way I pictured it, you'll just like, keep sliding out. Like, it was like a slide around but I love the outlier mindset. And I noticed that what your book is and your podcast is, is it's such an interesting way to think about it. But we just talked about, like people wanting to belong, and it's so weird to be the outlier, because it means you're gonna ruffle some feathers, there's gonna be some people who are in the same industry, which doesn't actually live the same purpose, but the same area who are like, look what that person's doing. Why do they think they can do that? And it's so hard, it's hard to have the confidence to be an outlier. Is that part of your is that in your book? Do you teach us how to be confident?

Rodman Schley 16:33  

A hundred percent. You know, so there's seven (inaudible) of the outlier, and one of them is being able to accept the fact that you're just different, right? I'm different. And you gotta love that. I mean, I, I always tell my kids all the time, it's like, kids, we're just different. And that's okay, let's celebrate that. Let's be awesome with it. It's not like I'm an outcast, or I don't have an incredible group of friends or people around me. But you know, the thing is, as you get out of the curve, the middle of the curve and get to the outlier, you're still going to have these incredible people around you, you're going to outgrow some people, of course, there are going to be people who are not going to like you over there. Because you're going to be succeeding, you're gonna be doing what you want to do. People don't want you to be happy at times and those are the people who go, okay, I've outgrown you. You can move on. The deeper work is just being able to identify that you are different and being okay with it, you know, celebrate it, don't sit there and put it on the downslope. Society is going to tell you how you should live, who you should be, you know, how you should show up in life all the time. And the people in that middle of the curve are going to be the ones going okay, life, you tell me, you dictate to me. And that's how I'm going to show up. But the people on the outside of the curves are the ones who go, no, I'm going to dictate this. These are my choices, this is my life, I am going to dictate my time, I'm going to dictate my energy, I'm going to dictate how I show up. And I'm going to be different. And some people aren't going to like that. But you know what, I'd rather live a life based on my terms, than a life based on society's terms. 

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Yeah, other thing is, if you live on society's terms, the bar is always moving, like, you're never going to feel like you are ever hitting the bar, because they're just gonna move it around, it's gonna change. I have to talk today for the group that we coach and I'm like, what I'm going to tell you is something that's going to work no matter which social media platform is the top choice, because they're always going to change how it works, they're going to change what the buttons are, they're to change what this is, they're going to change what they care about. But people's, people don't change how they want to receive information. And I find that comes to my mind because like, if you can just stay in the core of like, what is true to you or what is true about the people you're trying to serve, it doesn't really matter what society does because you will actually still, you'll still have a navigation and still have a compass that you can work through.

Rodman Schley 18:46  

Yeah, and society doesn't know you. Society doesn't know you, that you get up every day and we conform to what society expects or you know, when you're young, it's like your teachers told you where to sit, how to dress, said you needed to make sure that you were always listening to adults, they, they told you everything. They said, listen to everybody else but yourself. That's how we grew up. Right? Listen to everybody but yourself. That's just not good. When you're at the point you are when you're an adult, listen to yourself. Society doesn't know you, you know you. So be that. 

Lesley Logan 19:20  

Yeah. Oh my gosh, yeah, I was just, so this morning, before we came on, I was teaching a class for the AP, which is a really big deal. Like, I'm so proud of myself. Like, I'm just going to (inaudible). But I was thinking about, like, who works for them? Like how are these people and these are people who are like, chasing stories or like making sure all these stories are in, they're constantly like, pushing out information. So they're, they're very much on the pulse of what's happening in the world. But I was like, so I was teaching them like, okay, I'm gonna give you instructions, you might not be able to do them. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you. It's just an information around either the word I'm using or what your body is capable of today, so you have to listen to your body. If your body is saying ouch, this doesn't work, you have to trust what your body is saying. It can't be me. And so often people go to these classes. And they go, everything in life we do is society telling, they're waiting for the teacher to tell them every single move, how to breathe, how to do these things. And, yes, that's cool, because you can turn your brain off. But our brain is actually more turned off most of the time, because of society anyways, because of the TV shows we watch because of like, everyone is still telling us what to do, how to think and how to move. The more, the more you can actually listen to your body, listen to your brain, trust yourself, that changes how you can get through that bell curve. And actually be more confident. I think you're totally right. It's so interesting to me, like we do want kids to sit still in class, that's like really important so they don't hurt themselves. But also, there's like everything in moderation, right? They do need to learn how to listen to themselves. And it's sad that you have kids, so I'm sure like you actually get to work with them on this side of the classroom. 

Rodman Schley 20:55  

All the time. And I mean, they're absolutely my I love my kids, I have just two incredible children, two girls, and it's just amazing to watch them grow up. And yeah, so I do kind of change that narrative a little bit at home, too, it's kind of like, you know, what do you want? What feels good to you? What feels right to you? Making sure that I'm asking those questions not going, you're going to do this, you're going to do that. Because you know, a lot of us want to live vicariously through our children, right? We want to push our narrative, our things onto them. And it's not the right way to go. I mean, maybe they fall, maybe they're watching you every day, and they love what you're doing. And maybe they find a passion for that too. And that's great. But at the same time, let them figure it out, let them figure out what's good for them and what they need and how they want to thrive in life. And what's gonna make them smile. I mean, we're gonna be, the thing is, is like, I was 20 years old yesterday, you know, I'm 54 years old, where did the time go? It's insane. it's like, time just flies by on us and we get all caught up in this garbage that's not really relevant to who we are in the life that we want to be living, we get caught up in a car, that's not gonna matter. In 100 years, my car is gonna be in a scrap pile. Hundred years, somebody's gonna be living in this house that I can't even imagine to think about. All this furniture (inaudible) is going to be sitting in some kind of an antique store where people are going to be antiquing someday and going oh look at this old-fashioned leather couch, right? That's just how life is. None of this tangible stuff really matters in the grand scheme of things compared to really what matters inside to you, when you get to that deathbed, this house isn't going to be, it's just not gonna matter, right. And it's about the things that you're doing along the way. And I'll tell you just a quick story. So my, my mother, and I lost my mother to cancer when she was in her upper 60s. And, you know, she had all these struggles, we all have our struggles, right? We, my parents are divorced. So they were always bickering and arguing and fighting. And, you know, she struggled with her bills at times. And she struggled with her work at times, she had all these struggles and struggles and struggles. And at the end of that journey, you know, when she was dying, were in hospice together. It was a real eye-opening event for me, because that last breath that she took, nothing mattered. Zero things mattered. That house didn't matter. That car didn't matter. Those clothes didn't matter. The jewelry didn't matter. Nothing mattered. They were just things at that point, right? What mattered was who my mother was as a person, right? And the things that she got up in the lid for and the people's lives that she changed. So it's just one of those important things where I feel like people need to stop focusing on the things, stop focusing on the profit. Start focusing on that purpose. All the money will come, I guarantee you, the money is going to come the things are going to come, but put purpose first. 

Lesley Logan 23:46  

Yeah, it's so oh my gosh, I'm reminded of I listened to this woman who like she, she's famous for this, and I'm so sorry, I don't remember her name, everyone, but you can yell at me while you're listening. She actually wrote a book about like, being at people's deathbeds and what she learned from being at, mold, and she was strange, they were strangers to all of them. She was hired to do this, like a caretaker. And she learned the meaning of life from like, listening to people. And basically you're hearing them say the things that they regret doing, like or not doing, the person that they didn't call, the person they didn't tell they love, the actions they didn't take, or the like, that's what they're, and it's not in the very last breath. But it's like that thing when they're faced with their mortality like this, and there's no other options. And she learns much like, the time is now. And so if you can learn from what people like, I heard her do this talk and I had to go to Brazil. And I didn't have, the Brazil trip was already costing me a bit of money and it's by myself and I wasn't going to do this one thing. And it was hang gliding over the top a forest. And I was like, you know, it's just really expensive. I think I'll just wait. Let's do it the next time and I stopped myself and I was like, hold on. If I never get back here will I regret that I didn't do this thing that is partially scary to me. Yes, it's expensive. But like I came here with that as a thing I wanted to do. Do I, do I really want to do it because if I really want to do it I should make it happen. And to this day, it's one of the best things I've ever done on a trip myself. And so I really tried to like live with like, okay is am I doing this because I really want to do it that I have to trust the money will come. But it is the thing that's like that this matters to me. And we get so consumed that we'll have, we're guaranteed to have another day. I do. Like I'm like, oh, I'll just do it tomorrow. We're not guaranteed tomorrow ever, you know, and it's really hard to live in the moment. But I think if you are able to at least every single day do things for your purpose, I feel like that is at least the best thing you can do for living in the moment that you have.

Rodman Schley 25:40  

One hundred percent. And I always use that deathbed analogy. I mean, I always say, but for me, and it's for you. It's like when you're sitting in that deathbed, you're taking those last breaths, and you're looking at your wife or you're looking at your husband, you're looking at your children, I just wanna be able to say, you know what, I have no regrets. I have no regrets. I did everything that I wanted to do. I tried it. Sometimes I failed. Sometimes I failed miserably. But I learned. I pivoted and I got to do exactly the things that I got up and wanted to do each and every day. And that's why it drives me nuts that only 5% are living that purpose-driven life. Five percent. So 95% of people are getting to the end of their life and sitting there going, man, I wish I would have done this. I wish I would have aligned myself with that. And that is one of the saddest things in the world to me. So when people ask Rodman, what are you trying to solve for in life? It's always I'm trying to solve for regret. 

Lesley Logan 26:40  

Okay, your book is going to help us discover our purpose and live by our purpose, like what can we learn from your book?

Rodman Schley 26:49  

Hmm, well, there's so many things that you can learn from the book. And, you know, so for me, the book for me is more about how can I help people, you know, break those chains that they have, you know, and whether they've put them on themselves, whether it's society that has put on, whatever it might be, you're sitting there with these chains, and you're doing the things in life that you don't want to be doing. And you're just like everybody else. And, you know, for some people that might be just okay, that might be fine. And so I'm never critical of the person who's like, I'm comfortable, I'm happy. I'm sure as heck not an entrepreneur, but you're gonna be an outlier whether you're not an entrepreneur or not. I mean, if I'm gonna go, maybe my purpose in life is to cure cancer, I'm probably not going to go start a huge lab and then try to figure out how to cure cancer, I'm probably gonna go somewhere with really good resources, really good people, and then be exceptional at what I do. But the first thing I tell people is number one, if you're gonna go out and become an outlier, I believe in universal energy. But I don't believe you just put stuff out into the universe and all sudden, oh, here it comes. It's all coming my way. I believe that you put stuff into the universe, and then you do the work. Right? You got to make sure that you do the work. It's kind of like when people who pray, just pray for something to happen, but then they don't follow it up with any kind of an action and wait for it to come to them. Right? I think the universal energy is a lot like that, put it into the universe. But don't wait for it to come back to you. But those same people are the people who always work relentlessly, to help lower their learning curve. And I give an example, you came to the flower farm, you didn't come out, it was beautiful. My wife's got this incredible flower farm (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 28:24  

I'm sure it's stunning right now. It's springtime, right? Or wait, hold on Colorado just had some snow, so maybe not.

Rodman Schley 28:29  

It is still stunning. And it's greening up, I tell you that but with the flower farm is one of those things where she could have taken five years how to learn how to be a really good flower farmer. But instead what she did is she took the right courses went and got the right education, got the right knowledge. So she took a five-year journey and cut it down to two. So I always tell people, if you want to get there quicker, put in the work when it comes to acquiring knowledge. Get a good mentor, get people around you that understand it, get good classes. Don't be afraid to spend money. She spent $2,500 to take three years off the learning curve. That is a bargain.

Lesley Logan 29:03  

Yeah, yeah, 100%, 100%. 

Rodman Schley 29:08  

And then, you know, a lot of people have dreams. But you got to execute on your dreams, right? I mean, so many people keep them up here. 95%, matter of fact, are just hanging on to them up here, instead of putting them into the world, which is an absolute tragedy. So you got to make sure that be a dreamer. I'm a dreamer. You're a dreamer. But execute on those things. 

Lesley Logan 29:30  

Yeah. Oh my gosh, okay. I feel like we got some Be It Action Items already. But we're gonna take a brief break and know where people can follow you, listen to you, get your book. 

Rodman Schley 29:38  

Well, so in terms of where they can find me, the website is gorodman.com. You can find everything there. You can find our social media, you can find the book. I do have a guide on there that you can take and it's a 25-page guide that will help you identify your purpose. It's free. You can come get it. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 29:56  

Thank you.

Rodman Schley 29:58  

It's step one. So it's so easy. Come get that guide and just be a part of our community. We've got an incredible community there of outliers, and we just love having people there. But gorodman.com And all my social media handles are @gorodman.

Lesley Logan 30:12  

Amazing. We'll have your links down in the show notes. We'll have the book. We'll have that 25-page guide which we're all gonna go download right now. Okay, you gave us a few. But just in case people skip to the end, bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Rodman Schley 30:29  

Yeah, you know, so what I would be doing right now, if I'm sitting there at my desk, and I want change, the first thing I got to do is start with purpose. I know I've said that 100 times, but you got to start with purpose, go get that guide. Or if you want to do it on your own, do so but establish what's important to you, you got to sit down and do that work. Because if you don't know what's good for you, you don't know what your purpose is, you're dead in the water, you might as well not even start the journey. Because if you don't know what the journey looks like, or what it's going to be, there's nothing to even start. So you've got to start with purpose. So whatever it takes, sit down with that spouse, find out what your strengths and weaknesses are, find out what you love. And then take those things and put those into what is important to you. Get your sacred checkboxes figured out. Second thing you need to do is you got to get your mindset right. Right? So many people are so beaten down, especially right now, in society, society is tough, there's a lot of division, there's a lot of stress. People are, have a lot of anger and angst. But you've got to be in the right mindset, if you're gonna go on a journey to start changing your life, and you don't have your mind, right, if you're not sitting there with the right perspective, the way that you're looking at things, the way that you're going into things, then you're also, you're going to fail. So you've got to make sure I've got this mindset that I'm going to move myself. I'm going to go to the directions, and I'm going to get to go to the places that are going to be important to me. So we've got to get our mindset right. The next thing I tell people is you got to get your health right, you got to get your body right. You and I had a good conversation about the importance of our bodies. And being an entrepreneur is tough. It takes a lot of hours, it takes a lot of hard work, it takes a lot of energy, it takes so many things. People think, oh, well, I'll have all this time off as an entrepreneur. Well, no. It's not quite how I work. We work so relentlessly at what we do. We love it, it doesn't feel like work. But you've got to have your body right. If you're not physically feeling good. How are you going to be at your best when you're trying to do the things in life that you really want to be doing? You know, if you're if you're not physically able to perform tasks, and I know sometimes you can't help it right? Sometimes, oh, I get migraines all the time. And again, that's a great example of why health is so important. If I get a migraine, I can't do anything about it, it can shut me down. But there's all these things that are in our control. When it comes to our health. Get those things in place. Get your diet right, get your exercise routines right. It will not only help you physically feel better, but it's going to help you mentally because what it'll do is it's going to help you every single day when you're getting up to know that you can do something or making it a part of your routine. That dimension is a good break in your day, if you're working that entrepreneur 10, 12, 14, 16 hours to give yourself that time, whether it's an hour, whether it's an hour and a half to or whatever you want to give yourself for that physical. Make sure you get that right. The last thing that I'd say before you get out and start building that life by design, the last actionable thing I'd say is you got to have your money right. So, so many entrepreneurs, they go out into life, and they think I'm just gonna put this sign out and put an open out there and turn on the light now I'm open and the money's just gonna start pouring in. And entrepreneurship and business just doesn't work that way. And what happens is a lot of people say I'm going to quit my job. I'm going to quit my job, I'm going to go out and do my thing. And they quit it. And after three months, they don't have enough money to survive anymore. And they go right back to where they were. And you know what they say, well, I failed. And it's not that you failed, you didn't fail. You just didn't financially set yourself up to get around that next curve or to get around that next obstacle or whatever it might be. So I always say, stay with your day job. Make it your side hustle. And then make your side hustle make you have to quit that job. You know, I love, I can't even remember who said it but somebody said, you know, think of your job as being your biggest business funder early on. 

Lesley Logan 34:17  

Oh, I love that. 

Rodman Schley 34:18  

I know isn't that great? So you got to think of it like that. You've got to get your money right. Once you do those steps and get those things in place, then you can start building that life by design and it's beautiful.

Lesley Logan 34:33  

These are so this is I feel like we just like took a course. Rodman, you're so, you're so great. You're so, you're such a gift to this world. Thank you so much for these tips. And I can't wait to hear how people will use them. Also, you guys we'll make sure I put the link to his podcast. We'll put the episode I was on. It's one of my favorite podcasts. One of the best questions I've ever asked and we got to do that in person. So I've always found that those interviews are uniquely different. So, thank you, Rodman, for these amazing gifts. I'm so excited for your book. Your podcast is already out so people can binge that. And you just are doing an amazing thing helping so many people not just discover their purpose, but live their life by design and being outlier. It's not easy. So you have to surround yourself with other outliers. So thank you for creating that community and what you're doing. Y'all, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? We want to know, tag gorodman, tag the Be It Pod and share it with a friend, share it with a friend who just needs a nudge to be the outlier, to like, you know, to maybe you got a friend who's like wanting to do a thing and wants to quit a job like this is a great thing for them to listen to. Maybe they're feeling stuck, share this with them because it can be the best thing that they listened to. It can help them out. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 35:36  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 36:04  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 36:19  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 36:23  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 36:28  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 36:35  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 36:38  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

What does it mean to celebrate wins, both big and small? Join Lesley as she shares the incredible win of hosting her biggest virtual event ever: Summer Camp! Reflecting on the experience, she challenges the traditional notion of success, emphasizing the importance of teamwork, dedication, and the positive impact of the Pilates community. The episode highlights inspiring stories from listeners Tania Tsiora, Christine Eschen, and Jennifer Lapina. Tune in to discover how these individuals are making strides and finding moments of joy while balancing their personal and professional lives.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How implementing a system can improve any business operations.
• Benefits of flexible work-life balance for more time with loved ones.
• The impact of receiving positive feedback from your clients. 
• How virtual events can expand accessibility for global audiences.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

All right, Be It babe. Hi, happy Friday. It's the first Friday in June. What's up, if you're listening to this real time, if you're not, don't worry, you can listen to these anytime if you just need and doses of inspiration just hit the FYF stuff in the feed. Because these are people like yourself. Listeners like you who are having wins. And they're finding them and some of them feel very big, big projects. And some of them are just like, holy moly, I did this today. And I think it's really important that we celebrate all types of wins, because it allows us to just really feel like there is positivity even amongst all the crap. So I want you to know also amongst these wins, or not sharing is all the things that didn't go well, because you know what, that's so easy. And negativity breeds negativity. So kicking off your Friday, kicking off your weekend, with some positivity is always the goal here. So we start off with a couple wins of yours, then a win of mine, and then a little fun mantra. 

Lesley Logan 1:39  

So first up, we have Tania Tsiora. She's an Agency member, by the way, she got a new booking scheduling system and linked it to the website so people stay on her website and book through it. Already my seventh newsletter is going out on Monday. The sixth is about different types of breakfasts. So way to go, Tanya, I fucking love this. I love that we are celebrating a booking system, holy moly, those takes so long to put into place and get people to do it. And that means they're going to your website. So they're seeing all the things you offer. It makes it easy for them to remember to share you and you get your seventh newsletter going out. And you're you're finding unique ways to write about things. I love that your sixth one was about breakfast. Because you know what, we can't just always email people like, hey, schedule your next session. So good for you. That's a win. 

Lesley Logan 2:24  

All right, Christine Eschen, she's an eLevate grad and a Agency member. And she said, I'm popping in here late for a win. My best friend's husband died quickly and unexpectedly. No, I know, that's not a win. But it felt so good to just drop everything and climb in the car to drive three hours and just be here for her. She lives on 40 acres and has her 92-year-old mother here and she broke her leg. So all of this is sad. But I feel glad just to be here for her and talk and cry. And also when to bring my husband along to help out and do some things for her that guys do --put in the sprinkler heads, weed whacking and all that stuff. So sometimes a win is just loving and helping out your BFF when she needs it. Grateful for her and all of you. Christine, I really do appreciate how you are seeing what you are able to do for your friend as a win. No, it's never a win when we lose someone we love. But the fact that you have created a life for yourself where you and your husband can actually go and be there for someone when they need it, that is huge. Sometimes they wonder why are we working so hard. Why do we do this? Why don't we do this for ourselves? We could just go work for someone else. But if you, if you work for someone else, Christine, full time, I don't know that you could have been there for her. You know. So I love that you could do that. And it's really beautiful. And thank you for sharing that with all of us. 

Lesley Logan 3:37  

All right, one more. This is Jennifer Lapina. She is eLevate member and she wrote, "Overwhelmed but winning indeed. I'm seeing the bodies performing better and choosing exercises accordingly and while even explaining the why. Compliments are so encouraging, clients appreciate my attention to detail and expressed awareness and changes to their posture, reduce pain and better mobility, picked up a few new privates and seeing more followers in my classes. My name is popping up amongst acquaintances as a solid Pilates instructor and I'm getting feedback from managers and co-workers I love being talked about in a positive way. I wrestled my six four super strong son in the senior wrestling pit on his last day of school and took him down. He may have let me win but I enjoyed being the cool mom amongst his friends." Jennifer, this is so fun. I love that he even let you win but you'll never know. And I also love that you have been allowing yourself to evolve as a teacher. And you can tell that you are because while it is overwhelming to change and to integrate new ways of teaching, but the fact that people are really able to hear the good words that you're giving them and then also listen to the detailed things you want them to do is a testament to you. You know you're not overwhelming them with too much information. So way to go. 

Lesley Logan 4:47  

All right, loves a win of mine. Summer Camp was a blast. Hugely awesome. So great. We did it last week and it was just, was the biggest thing Brad and I have ever done virtually, that our team has done, and I'm so grateful for the team that we have, if they're listening, hi, guys, thank you. You know, we couldn't have done it without them, there's a lot of things to organize. And it's interesting, you know, I'm gonna celebrate this, like, yes, we could do things more in person. And that would be amazing. And trust me, I've done big events, I've been part of planning big events that are in person, we still do big events that are in person. But it is important to me that there are some ways to make things accessible for others. And virtual allows people to join in from all over the world without investing in time and money to fly some place, hotels, food, some of these in-person events might only be a couple $100 to attend, the ticket, but thousands of dollars when you do it. And it's not easy, especially if you've got kids and things like that. So I really am grateful for my team for helping me put this together. So we could have something that anyone can join from around the world, we have teachers from all over the world. And I'm so, so grateful for the amount of people that attended like that is a huge win, because they could have done anything since it was virtual. So it was it was amazing. We had 14 events over two days, Brad and I wore out our blue blockers. It was all hands on deck. And it was just an absolute blast. So that if you attended, thank you so much for being part of this win. I'm so so grateful. I think it's easy for us to focus on a win also having to be all the details like how many people attended, did we hit those goals, did we hit this goal? And the truth is, is that I don't think I will ever hit an attendance goal of an event that doesn't have a capacity at it. Right? Like my retreats have sold out. My eLevates have sold out. Minis have sold out but like something like this, there's actually not a limit to how many people can attend. And so when you have those it's easy to you'll set a goal. And then if you don't hit it, you're like I didn't want anything here. And Brad and I did have a goal. No, we did not hit that goal. But that doesn't mean it's a failure. The win is that how much we worked together, how much the team worked together, how focused we were as a team. Could we have hit the goals that we wanted to had everything lined up? Absolutely. And I'm so proud of that. So I just want to share that with you. Because I think we, especially with a win like this where I'm like this happened, it's easy to go oh my god, she's slaying. Yes, we're all slaying, but not, not every single tiny goal amongst the things was hit. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a win that it happened and that we workde so hard together. And I'm so, so, so grateful. So stay tuned for more information on that. 

Lesley Logan 7:28  

Okay. Your mantra for the weekend is there's growth in stillness. There is growth in stillness. There is growth in stillness. My loves, repeat that to yourself. Because sometimes we think we'd be doing a ton of things all the time. You don't have to. There's growth in stillness. Please send your wins and so we can share them on the next FYF. Make sure you listen to our interviews and recaps and share them with a friend. That is how this podcast grows. We could not do it without you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:06  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 8:34  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:49  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:53  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:58  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:05  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:08  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Explore how self-perception shapes your interactions and presence in the world. Lesley and Brad revisit Jenny Schatzle’s transformative insights on body positivity and self-respect. Jenny Schatzle, a passionate speaker, author, and coach, is dedicated to changing how women perceive themselves and breaking the cycle of toxic societal standards. Discover practical steps to challenge these norms and foster a healthier self-image. Tune in to learn how embracing self-love can enhance your daily life and interactions.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The three-step approach to address body image conversations.
• How to distinguish between constructive and harmful self-judgment.
• Alternative compliments to shift focus from physical appearance. 
• Mindful breathing can help you stay present and reduce self-criticism.
• Journaling technique to process emotions and promote self-reflection.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia February 2025
• OPC Summer Tour
• eLevate Mentorship Program Waitlist
• Barrels Flashcards Waitlist
• OPC 40 Days for $40
• Jenny Schatzle Website
• Jenny Schatzle Instagram

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

There's a difference between having that want that you want and then judging and shaming your body on every single thing that you do along the way. 

Brad Crowell 0:08  

Sure. 

Lesley Logan 0:08  

You can actually love your body in the process and it doesn't have to be the topic of every conversation. And it also doesn't have to be how you greet someone. And when people ask what are you up to you don't have to share it. This can be a personal journey that you just go on. 

Lesley Logan 0:27  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:05  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the powerful convo I had with Jenny Schatzle on our last episode. If you haven't yet, listened to that one, you're gonna want to listen to that one at some point, whether it's before this one or after this one, or with a friend. It is awesome. Especially if you've got friends who all they bitch about is how they look, Jenny Schatzle will give you the words to help shut them up because no one goes to lunch to talk about that. Anyways, before we get into that, today is June 6th 2024. So it's Caves and Karst Day. About this day, Caves and Karst, actually I don't know what a karst is, but I know what a cave is. So here we go. Celebrated on June 6, is is gradually becoming a significant event in the U.S. and with good cause. And by the way, I look for world ones, and since there are caves everywhere, I figured this could be also a world thing.

Brad Crowell 1:56  

Karst is a landscape underlain by limestone, which has been eroded by dissolution, producing ridges, towers, fissures, sinkholes, and other characteristic landforms.

Lesley Logan 2:08  

So it's just like, it's like the stalactites and stalagmites. 

Brad Crowell 2:11  

It's like what you expect to see on the edge of an ocean where like where the water has eroded and it's got all this funky little designs. 

Lesley Logan 2:20  

So it's a karst there and then you go in and it's a cave. Well, at any rate, thank you for that side trip. The value and influence of cave and karst landscapes on the genetic make-up of the earth as a whole are utterly mind-boggling as more cave enthusiasts across the world explore these underground sites of wonder and beauty. But there’s a lot more to cave exploration than meets the eye. Caves and karst maintain natural diversity both above and below the earth and are home to many of the planet’s most complex and unique ecosystems. The constant flow of water through their bedrocks creates a karst. As a result, sinking streams, caverns, springs, and other unique elements that make caves intriguing and magnificent are formed. So a karst becomes a cave. I'm confused. It's okay.

Brad Crowell 2:21  

I'm just really glad we're celebrating them today.

Lesley Logan 2:22  

We're celebrating them. It's a, you know what? If you are in Vegas, you can, you too can kayak like I did for too many miles and there is a cave that you get to kayak under. And it's emerald. It's like literally green in there. It's so beautiful. So you know, go check them out. Also, when I was researching this day, I found out how many caves are in the U.S. We have some of the largest, longest caves in the world. But you know what, even if you don't live in the US check out a cave near you. They're pretty magnificent. Upcoming we have Cambodia February 2025. 

Brad Crowell 3:40  

Yeah, y'all. 

Lesley Logan 3:41  

You can snag your spots. 

Brad Crowell 3:43  

October sold out and February is on the docket. We are definitely excited to be going back two times next year. We don't know the dates for the end of the year yet, but we're looking at Feb. 25 So if that works for you, make sure you reach out go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Next up, we got our OPC Summer Tour.

Lesley Logan 4:08  

You are hearing it first. It's announced. It's announced. We have 12 cities?

Brad Crowell 4:12  

13 cities because we're kicking it off here in Vegas. 

Lesley Logan 4:15  

Oh, that's right. We're kicking off in Vegas. (Inaudible)

Brad Crowell 4:18  

It's gonna kick off I think on August 5th. 

Lesley Logan 4:20  

It's a Sunday.

Brad Crowell 4:20  

I believe it's a Sunday. Yeah, pretty sure it's August 5th. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Sure. 

Brad Crowell 4:25  

And then we're gonna be driving up and around. We're gonna go all the way up to 

Lesley Logan 4:29  

August 4th is a Sunday. 

Brad Crowell 4:31  

Okay, August 4th. So we're gonna drive all the way up to Saint Paul-Minneapolis, and then over to Cleveland and then back through the Midwest. 

Lesley Logan 4:38  

Saint Paul-Minnesota. Minneapolis. 

Brad Crowell 4:43  

Yeah, they're the Twin Cities. 

Lesley Logan 4:44  

Oh, okay. So you do you say them like that Saint Paul-Minneapolis?

Brad Crowell 4:48  

I don't know which one we're gonna be at, so. 

Lesley Logan 4:50  

Okay. I just didn't know if like you were saying like city-state. You know? Like, I don't (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 4:55  

We're gonna be in Connecticut, Texas and Pennsylvania, Hawaii. 

Lesley Logan 5:02  

Yeah, anyways you gotta go to opc.me/tour to check out the amazing spots we're going to. Snag your spot because you guys, I don't know when the next time we'll do the Midwest again, gonna be really honest. We have, we got  

Brad Crowell 5:15  

We got plans y'all. Year after that we're thinking to do the West Coast again but (inaudible). Lesley doesn't know this, but I want to start in Mexico and go over to Canada.

Lesley Logan 5:23  

Well, also, Brad doesn't know but we've got to go to the U.K. so we have a

Brad Crowell 5:27  

Yeah, we got to go to the U.K. as well. 

Lesley Logan 5:28  

Yeah. So at any rate, opc.me/tour to snag your spot. Also happening 

Brad Crowell 5:33  

Or go to Europe. Just do all of Europe. 

Lesley Logan 5:35  

Okay, don't, that's not an option for next year. But we do want to do that. It's like a 2026 goal. Okay, so eLevate applications are going to open up at pretty soon, actually. We're going to open them up in the June-July time. We want to make sure that everyone has enough time to set the dates aside for 2025 to also like save, save up the investment for it and everything we can only take 12 people in a group so you want to go to LesleyLogan as L-E-S-L-E-Y-L-O-G-A-N.co/elevate to get on the waitlist because the people on the waitlist get to apply. 

Brad Crowell 6:10  

Yeah, eLevate is Lesley's mentorship program. It is the nine-month program, for those of you who aren't familiar with it. And you deep dive with Lesley. She's passing on all the information that she learned from her teacher Jay and it's, it's amazing. You're gonna leave that with all the confidence in the world you will never have to class-plan again. It is incredible. 

Lesley Logan 6:29  

Awesome. 

Brad Crowell 6:29  

Next up we got Barrels Flashcards. It's the last chance, y'all, to get on the waitlist.

Lesley Logan 6:34  

It's literally the last chance. (Inaudible) You won't hear us talk about it. We're not going to talk about this again. This is it. This is the last chance.

Brad Crowell 6:40  

No, we are going to talk about it on next week's pod but, like a week and a half and the waitlist is open.

Lesley Logan 6:45  

Oh my goodness. Okay, well, Brad has been really kind because I was like they know about it now, too, sucks for them, too late.

Brad Crowell 6:52  

This is your last chance to get on the waitlist and save some money when we do our presale opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. 

Lesley Logan 7:01  

And then lastly.

Brad Crowell 7:02  

Last but not least.

Lesley Logan 7:03  

If you have wanted to try OPC and you're just like, I don't know, I want to try it, though. You can. 

Brad Crowell 7:08  

You can.

Lesley Logan 7:08  

Forty days for $40. 

Brad Crowell 7:10  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 7:11  

That's $1 a day of Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 7:12  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 7:13  

Yep. opc.me/forty. 

Brad Crowell 7:15  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 7:16  

That's great. I love that. You guys. It's amazing. You can get into our community, you can come to a live class you can do the weekly classes, you can ask us questions, it's actually where we answer questions daily. It's a really fire community and we are no longer in the Facebook world. We are in our own app. Our own app.

Brad Crowell 7:35  

Yeah. It's amazing.

Lesley Logan 7:36  

All right, before we get to Jenny Schatzle. What's our audience question?

Brad Crowell 7:39  

All right, Chonnarit L on YouTube asked, "If you already have a reformer what should you buy next?"

Lesley Logan 7:47  

I know, I thought this was a great question. I've never had anyone ask me and that's a great question. And also, it kind of depends on your space and what you want. If you already have a reformer, I would say Contrology Mat if you don't have that yet, because a lot of people don't invest in the mat and the mat and the ref, if you have those two, you are set, my friend. If you don't want to do the investment in a Contrology Mat, then a spine corrector, believe it or not, is what I would suggest. Contrology Spine Corrector. I have discount links on all these. And then if you are wanting something a little bit more challenging, because like the spine corrector is really good at helping you build your back bends, especially if you struggle with them. Like that's why I like everyone to have access to a spine corrector because it teaches an extension. But let's just say you just want to like power out then get a Wunda Chair. And if you have the Reformer and the Wunda Chair, obviously everyone afforded the mat, you could be an OPC all-equipment member. So there you go. The Wunda Chair doesn't take up a lot of space and Contrology has a beautiful one, and it's so amazing. 

Brad Crowell 8:47  

That's a good one. 

Lesley Logan 8:47  

I did a 50-minute workout on it yesterday to film for OPC and I kicked my own ass. So that is what I would say. It just really depends on your practice and your goals and your space. So you know, if you want to take a class with OPC, you, if you already have a Reformer and you have the mat then I'll get the Wunda Chair. 

Brad Crowell 9:02  

Sounds like a plan. Great question. If you want to leave us a question that we might read here live on the pod. At the end of this episode, we will tell you our phone number that you can text or you can DM us on Instagram and ask away. All right now let's talk about Jenny Schatzle. Jenny Schatzle is a passionate speaker, author, coach, and advocate for transforming how women perceive themselves. Her mission is to break the cycle of toxic standards ingrained from an early age and to shift the conversation surrounding appearance. By challenging societal norms and encouraging women to embrace their true selves, Jenny fosters a healthier, more respectful dialogue about body image. Yes. Plus she uses curse words and I love that.

Lesley Logan 9:48  

We love that and she does these, like morning, coffee mug chats, just like give you a pep talk. We actually talked about this in the episode but like she had this post it's like you know don't sacrifice like 90, like, like 90% of your life just to be five pounds lighter. 

Brad Crowell 10:06  

Ninety-five percent of your life to be five pounds lighter. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 10:08  

So she reposted that quote that she, that she did and the vitriol that she got, oh my god, all from, all from mostly men saying they won't be able to carry the coffin, like just awful things about the body. And she's like, okay, we got to talk about this because this is ridiculous. We, that's not at all what she is saying. Like, people confuse her talking about being kind about your body and not just constantly talking about being smaller and, and sacrificing, making decisions as like, everyone should just be unhealthy. By the way, your size and health do not match up. That's just not how it works. So it was just, it was just sad to like, read what people are saying. And it's just like, why are people such dickheads? When did people learn that if you, like, you, you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all? What is going on with people? I think reviews is where it started. 

Brad Crowell 11:05  

No, I think it's just the fact that you can post on the internet and nobody knows who you are.

Lesley Logan 11:10  

Yeah. Well, she posted their comments. And I think she should have blasted their names that she was nice enough to count them out. But I don't think you should I think you know what, if you think you're gonna say some shit, your name should get put up there. So anyways, but here's some things I love that she said. She said how we show up in our body is energy. And this is so true. If you are not feeling good about yourself, you start to only see the things you don't feel good about. And then when you go out into the world, like you bring that energy with you, you're not as excited. And so it's really important if you can actually give yourself some self-love and truly believe that you are an amazing person you can show up in your life in your body in a much more positive space. And I just really love that. I think we also talked about if you went out and ate the candy bar and had some fries and just like had a milkshake. You don't have to go oh my god, I'm an asshole. You just go. Okay, I did that. Moving on. And I really because that's energy, right? If you start to like doubt, like get down on yourself, you take yourself down and not just your body down and it affects the whole day that you have. So every time you show up as your authentic self, you give women around you permission to do the same. And she does this like this is how she like lives her life on social media. But like she truly does this when you are around her you do, I get a surprise all the time that people in front of her would even at all, like be mean to their bodies in front of her I would be so afraid to say something like not nice about myself. And whenever she pops in my feed or I have a talk with her, or we catch up, I am so much kinder to my body just because of her. I'm like she's got my like shoulder like, you know, it's okay like to love yourself and just get a different size, buy different jeans. It's okay.

Brad Crowell 12:48  

I love that. One thing that she mentioned, which I thought was pretty ballsy was she texted her whole family over the holidays and specifically requested everybody not talk about bodies, body images, body sizes, weight dieting, loss, all that you look so good, any of those kinds of comments with her kids. And the way she did it, I thought was incredibly thoughtful. And when I first heard the summary of it, I was like, whoa, that's like, was she like angrily yelling at everybody? But no, that's not what she did at all. First, she had a three-step approach. And this was gold. Okay, the first thing she said was, she opened the conversation saying, I have struggled with body image my entire life. I'm sure you all know that. The second thing she said is I would like to ask for your help in this because I want to break this cycle. I don't want my kids to struggle with body image. So I ask you not to talk about bodies, body images around my kids when we come over for the holidays. And she said lastly, the third step of it was to tell them I love you very much. I'm so grateful for your support. I can't wait to see you all. Right? And I thought, wow, what a tactful way to challenge the family to not talk about something that she's really intentional about with her kids. And she also said not a single family member responded. 

Lesley Logan 14:18  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 14:19  

But 

Lesley Logan 14:20  

It was fine. 

Brad Crowell 14:21  

It went really well. No one talked about those things. So clearly everybody read it. They, nobody wanted to talk about it. Like oh, yeah, sure, I will, won't do that. No one actually, you know, said that they would do it. But then they did, they did it anyway, which I thought was really amazing. And she was talking about the way that we were trained as a society, how we were trained to think when it comes to body image and fashion and all the things and you know, if her kids come downstairs and they say, hey, you know, I put on this new outfit. What do you think? Instead of saying, oh my gosh, you look beautiful. Right? Because that's the first res, that's the natural response, it's just kind of the way that we all would would think, you know, would talk. She said there's, there's some inherent issues with that response, which are, we are judging them based on how they, you know, the on beauty on this idea of beauty. Right? And so instead she, she says that makes you look really powerful. And then she asked them, how does it feel on your body? Right? Or how does it make you feel? That's a great way to instill this idea of being in tune with yourself being in tune with like, how does, your own body how does it make you feel? Right, and I just thought it was really cool. I like the way that she approaches that. 

Lesley Logan 15:41  

Yeah, I really like it too. And I think like, I remember when she, we talked about this in that episode, when she posted, like, I asked my family not to do these things. And here's what you can prompt your family with. And I was like, wow, that is bold. It's amazing. I want to know how this went down. Because like, I, like, I was just like, what would my, our family would say? And, you know what, I, here's what I think, in both sides, I think everyone have complied just like her family. I do wonder what happened when you left the room. I feel like, she made us not talk about our body. Like, I just really wonder because like (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 16:16  

I wonder if they like, snarkily went to each other and they're like, you look so great today. You look so skinny today. Did you lose five pounds? After she left the room? 

Lesley Logan 16:24  

I wonder, I wonder if they did. Or maybe it helped, it like freed them from like, playing the loop that we all play every year at the holidays, oh, I gotta lose five pounds, oh, I gotta do this thing. So, and by the way, like, if you are on a journey, because you are not excited about how your body is feeling. It is okay. I actually wanted to say like, it's okay. There's a difference between judging your body and shaming your body and getting actual information around how you want to feel how you want to be, what that is, and then making a plan for yourself, whether that's sleep, whether that's getting your hormones checked, maybe you want to actually add more nutrition to the meals, these are all okay things. And I actually think that Jenny, like, understands that and explains that because when you, when you talk to her about her gym, she owns a gym, and her big thing is like, are you sleeping? Sleep is amazing for self-care, like drinking water is amazing. And so I just want to say that because I don't want anyone to feel bad. But if you are actually going no, but Lesley, I really do want to lose 10 pounds because I just don't like the way I look. There's a difference between having that want that you want and then judging and shaming your body on everything single thing that you do along the way. 

Brad Crowell 17:40  

Sure. 

Lesley Logan 17:40  

You can actually love your body in the process, and it doesn't have to be the topic of every conversation. And it also doesn't have to be how you greet someone. And it, when people ask what are you up to you don't have to share it. This can be a personal journey that you just go on. You know, I have girlfriends, we're getting older, our bodies are changing, and there's certain things I'm like, okay, I can be okay with that. There's some thing's like, not okay with that. I'm actually I don't like how that feels. I don't like how that feels on me. But it's not how we greet each other. It's not what we talk about at lunch. You k,now, we talk about other things like How's work going? Like how are you feeling? Like, what do you like, what are you doing for fun? What are your hobbies? You know, so there's just different things. And I just want to point that out because I do know that like sometimes when these topics come up, people could start to get down on themselves for thinking those things about themselves. It's good to have awareness and it's good to understand what's motivating you.

Brad Crowell 18:33  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jenny Schatzle? She shared her big trick on giving actionable tools when people started to compare themselves or when you're talking down to yourself. 

Lesley Logan 18:53  

Oh, great. 

Brad Crowell 18:54  

Yeah. And I did this today while I was listening to the pod. She said hey, listen, when you catch yourself in that cycle of, you know, shit-talking yourself, or, you know, if you're in a conversation, if you're, or if you're mentally comparing yourself to someone else. She said, hey, take a moment. Put your hand on your heart, and breathe in for five seconds. Hold it for five seconds. And then breathe out for five seconds. And she said do it again. But this time, say here. And then when you breathe out, say now. So say, breathe in, here, hold for five seconds. And then breathe out and say now and the idea is that you're in the here and now you are here and now and it's a way to kind of bring yourself back into you know this moment. And instead of you, it will allow you to jumpstart that negative rut of comparison, the negativity, beating yourself up. And instead it brings you back to the moment, the present. I thought that was a really cool little tool.

Lesley Logan 20:08  

I really liked it, I liked, I think it's really great. And I also liked that you can, it, afterwards, you'll be able to, you'll be calmer and you'll be able to figure out how you want to move forward. You know, I think like, if you get all up in your head, you start to you can't really it's you go into the way you are ingrained to think about yourself and talk to yourself and, and you go over the thing about the actions you, someone who's been working on loving yourself, working on being more body positive and kind and also thinking about other things in this world. You know, that, that you can actually take actions from that place, which is really cool. Okay, she actually, this is so cool, I had no idea that she has a journal coming out. And so she said she'll share it when it's available. But we have this rule guys, we actually say, if you're gonna talk about journaling, you have to tell people what to do. So as soon as she said, you're gonna journal, I was just like, Jenny, we have rules, we have rules, you're not allowed to talk about journaling, unless you tell people, but she came prepared. She will have a journal prompt that is going to be 90 ways in 90 days. So 90 ways to love your body in 90 days. Which is great. We'll let you know when that's available. But in the meantime, you can set a timer for five minutes. And free-write, literally write everything that's going on in your head. Don't worry about grammar or punctuation. It literally takes five minutes that can change your life and boosts creativity. And I, we've talked about like the artist's way on a show before and you know, like, everyone's like it takes me forever to write three pages. I'm like, how does it take you forever? To write three pages, you must be thinking about your grammar, your punctuation, like what to write, you're supposed to free-right. Free-write is just like a total brain dump. And so it really is really a great way to journal whenever you kind of, if you are starting to feel a little down yourself, you're starting to shame or judge yourself. You notice that you just had lunch and all your friends talked about what diet they're on. You can free-write to let that go. Oh, is August giving kisses? It's a new thing guys. He's working on it. Normally when he gives kisses he also like bats his head up and maybe tips you with his nose a little bit. But now he's actually learning how to kiss but it's the wettest kiss. It's like the whole tongue has to be part of it, so.

Brad Crowell 22:21  

If you're on YouTube, you can see August He just joined the show.

Lesley Logan 22:24  

If you are not on YouTube, we are on YouTube. You can watch it. Yeah, you can. So anyways, though, thank you, Jenny Schatzle for coming back and reminding us it's been a couple of years since we had you on the show reminding us to love ourselves to change the conversation, to break the cycle. Y'all, please, please, please, like, write down a few different ways to greet your friends that don't have anything to do with like, like, oh, you've lost five pounds. You can say you look powerful. Oh my god, I love the, I love being around your energy. You light up a room. You know, like there's so many different things you can say that have nothing to do with the person's actual physical looks. And it's so true. Jenny was talking about her friend who like, complimented her abs when she was like breastfeeding. And now every time she's around that friend she like thinks about her abs like she's self-conscious that she doesn't have them. Whatever. It is so true. Because I have been in the bathroom when people have talked about me when I've been when I was too skinny. I've talked about me in the bathroom, you know that when I gained weight and I was in the bathroom, I was so afraid to be in the bathroom with other people because I was just conscious of like, what if they saw me now, they're gonna, now they're gonna say I now I've gained weight like, so it's true. We, like these things. leave a mark on us. At any rate, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 23:32  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 23:32  

Thank you so much for listening to us today. 

Brad Crowell 23:34  

Thank you, thank you. 

Lesley Logan 23:36  

Please share this with a friend who needs to hear it, a sibling or family member that if you are not wanting to talk about weight with when you come to the next holiday event, you know, Fourth of July is around the corner. And if you're in the States, if you're not in the States, and I'm sure you have a holiday coming up, and please do leave us a review. They do mean the world to us at the time of recording this we almost have 100. So it'd be really cool if we had 100 reviews before we hit 400 episodes which is coming up. And until next, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 24:05  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 24:07  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 24:34  

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Brad Crowell 24:49  

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Lesley Logan 24:54  

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Brad Crowell 24:59  

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Lesley Logan 25:06  

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Brad Crowell 25:09  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Returning guest, body image expert Jenny Schatzle, joined host Lesley Logan to discuss the pressure to look like someone else and the unrealistic expectations that fuel negative body image. This conversation explores the impact societal expectations have on women, the messages we send to young girls, and practical tools to shift the conversation about bodies. Jenny offers empowering advice, tools, and encourages listeners to embrace their able bodies and prioritize self-acceptance over comparison.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The societal pressures that promote unrealistic body ideals. 
• The impact and effects of comparing yourself to others.
• Practical tips for creating lasting habits for daily exercises.
• Strategies for changing the conversation around body image.
• How to accept and live more fully in your able body. 
• Techniques for managing negative thoughts and anxiety.

Episode References/Links:

• Jenny Schatzle Instagram
• Jenny Schatzle Website

Guest Bio:

Meet Jenny Schatzle, a passionate speaker, author, and coach dedicated to empowering women to embrace their bodies, break free from the shackles of diet culture, and transform their inner dialogue. With a focus on fostering self-love and confidence, she has created a movement toward a more fulfilling life beyond the size of your body. For 20 years, Jenny has been guiding women through a transformative journey, helping them rewrite the narrative of their relationship with themselves. Through workshops, talks, and coaching sessions, she inspires individuals to confront their inner critic and challenge the norms that dictate self-worth. 

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Episode Transcript:

Jenny Schatzle 0:00  

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't start to love and accept and respect their body until it no longer functions the way they want it to. And I don't think we should wait till that moment. I mean, if you've ever had an injury you know, oh, I'm never going to take, using my hand or using my leg for granted. But then you do and we do as women every time we compare ourselves to somebody else. Oh, I wish I had her butt. Oh, I wish I had her arms. Well, guess what? You can't physically have somebody else's body.  

Lesley Logan 0:26  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:04  

All right, loves. This guests we have today is back. This is her second time. It will not be her last time. I'm absolutely obsessed with what this woman is putting out in the world to support all of us. Every single one of us. Ladies, especially us. But her name is Jenny Schatzle. If you don't know her, you're gonna fall and fall in love with her just like I did. She is a powerhouse. She's incredible. And she is here to help us all break the cycle of how we are talking about bodies, especially how about our bodies, because all of our actions get passed down to the people around us. And we are more than what our bodies look like. And if you're like yeah, yeah, yeah. And you nod your head, and you nod your head, but then you find yourself you know, not putting on the bathing suit or, which we'll talk about in the podcast, or at home the holidays and someone says something about your body and that makes you upset. Like we were not given the tools to address that in a way that is supportive. And in this podcast, Jenny Schatzle is not only going to give you the tools, she's going to share with you how she use it. And I'm just so incredibly grateful for this woman in my life. And I'm excited for her to be back in your ears. If this is the second time you heard about her, great, you're gonna love all the things we talked about again, it's a great reminder. And if this is your first time get ready to fall in love, just feel so, so supported. And I hope that you check out her first episode, we'll put that in the show notes as well. So you can go back and listen to both of those and just be on a Jenny Schatzle binge and I promise you, you will feel so great. And you'll be so aware of the thoughts that you're thinking about your body. Anytime I ever make, like have a thought that's negative to my body, I actually think like if Jenny Schatzle was here, would I say that out loud? No. So then I don't get to say it out loud. So anyways, you guys, here is Jenny Schatzle. 

Lesley Logan 2:58  

All right, Be It babe. I'm freakin stoked because I know we're all about to go to like, (inaudible) the best kind of church we could all go to, which is just listening to Jenny Schatzle remind us all that we're so frickin worthy and we need to change the conversation and break the cycle. Jenny Schatzle, will you tell everyone who you are and why you rock at all of that stuff?

Jenny Schatzle 3:19  

Yay, well, that's a great introduction right there. Everyone, I'm Jenny Schatzle. I'm so excited to be here. And yeah, I'm on a mission to help women change the conversation around body image. So we can not only show the younger generation how to do it, but we are the ones who model it every day by breaking the cycle and unlearning all the toxic bullshit we learned growing up.

Lesley Logan 3:42  

Yeah, yeah. (Inaudible) Well, you know, Jenny, I thought for a couple of years that like, it felt a little bit like the rest of the world was kind of getting down with this, like the magazines and things were going down with this. And now they're back to what they were before. And I'm like, but I think it's because their magazines aren't selling which is not because of what their titles are. I get quotes all the time or get asked for quotes all the time. And one of them is like, can you tell me how to get Miley Cyrus's arms in five exercises? And I'm like, no, she is 31 even if you did Pilates like her, which my friend teaches her, four hours a day and had her nutritionist and her chef you still won't have her arms because hormones are real, age is a thing and you don't, you're not Miley Cyrus and why are you asking me this question? And so I get really annoyed because even my team's like, hey, here's some things that will do well with SEO which is like 17 butt exercises at school to tone your buttom, I'm like I don't ever want to tone anyone's butt. I don't want to ever talk about that. But it's unfortunate like it's this thing where like, that's what the machines want people, the experts put out because that's what people are clicking and how do we, how do people like you, people like me get people to hear that when you change the conversation when that's not what they'll click on?

Jenny Schatzle 4:56  

100% And it's hard not gonna I'm not gonna lie. (Inaudible), they don't work, but they sell. They keep selling. So the quote I will give you to give them is, you know, when somebody asks, can you tell me how to get so and so's arms, you can say, if we all ate the same and worked out the same, we would still look different. And the days of us trying to look like other people, I want to acknowledge that it's up to us disrespecting, and giving up what we do have. So a lot of us have very able healthy bodies. And on a daily basis, we're disrespecting that. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't start to love and accept and respect their body until it no longer functions the way they want it to. And I don't think we should wait till that moment. I mean, if you've ever had an injury, you know, like, oh, I'm never gonna take using my hand or using my leg for granted. But then you do. And we do as women every time we compare ourselves to somebody else. Oh, I wish I had her butt. Oh, I wish I had her arms. Well, guess what, you can't physically have somebody else's body. You weren't born with it. You weren't meant to have it. I believe I'm this person in the middle. But a lot of my message does get construed like it's not black and white, right? Like, people think I'm anti-diet, but I don't think like you can still want to change your body and lose weight, I don't think that's bad. We just need to have the conversation of why. And when we're giving up, you know, a really old saying, which I love so much, it's don't give up 95% of your life to weigh 5% less. I don't know who originally said it. But it's a very meaningful, because for a lot of us weight loss, we think if I just, and I've said this before on your podcast, you know, but if I just lost this last 10 pounds I'd be happy. If my arms were just a little bit toner or if my stomach was flatter. And we know that that isn't really going to make us our happiest person. And a lot of us are waiting to live our best lives when we lose weight. But then we lose weight and it's just never enough. And the body's still never good enough. So my take on it is when you learn to actually accept the body that you have today that's when you start taking the best care of it. 

Lesley Logan 7:06  

Yes. Oh, okay. All that. Yes. And I think it's, it's interesting. We do take things for granted, when they're working well, because we're looking at someone else's lawn. And you know, thinking that I want that it's gonna be greener over there. It's gonna be easy over there. I was talking to someone earlier today who was on their podcast, and she was telling me how she went to a Pilates class and she was having a really hard time because she couldn't do exercise like everyone else. And I said, well, you won't look like everyone else. And I don't know who your teacher was, but I hope that they weren't explaining to you that you're gonna look like everyone else. You also just started so you are a beginner. And why can we not allow ourselves to be beginners at things? Why are we expecting ourselves? I gotta look like that person over there. I'm not good enough. It's like, no, you just started. So like, it's like, it's all these things that we keep comparing ourselves to others, even when we're new. We should be giving us the most grace.

Jenny Schatzle 7:56  

And I'm gonna add to that we always say in our gym, so I do own a gym. And we do, we don't do Pilates we are, I like to say we are like a one-stop shop. Except for we I shouldn't say it because we don't do Pilates. We don't do Pilates (inaudible). We do cardio, we do strength training. We have what we call like burn days, power days. Anyway, it's a cardio strength. I always say don't compare your day one to somebody, you know, somebody else's day 300. But on top of that, just in the world. It's so crazy that we will sit there and compare ourselves. I always make jokes like Sally Jomo down the street who you think is so thin and so beautiful. But who knows Sally Jomo's drinking a bottle of vodka every night because she's crazy unhappy in her marriage. She hates her body. She's disconnected from her family. Like you have no idea how else, how anybody else is living. And we assume these things based on the way that people look. I say this a lot, too. New listeners. if you haven't listened to me before. I'm brutally honest, I don't hold back. I know a lot of very rich, thin, beautiful women who I wouldn't trade lives with for millions of dollars. They are extremely unhappy, unhappy, and I'm not saying that every rich, thin woman is. I'm just trying to bring up the point that you have no idea what's going on in other people's lives. And just based on somebody's arms or flat stomach, doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it right. Also, genetics plays a huge role in our bodies. You know, there's a there's like a tic tac toe thing. My husband brought it up. It's so funny going around. It was like, you know, these 20-year-old influencers which I'm not talking smack on anyone, but it's like, no, show me a mom who's got, you know, a mom with kids. And I mean, just like all the things like we don't you know, an old saying is we all have the same 24 hours in a day. That's bullshit. You ever ever spent a day with a mom who's got a disabled kid? Have you ever spent a day as a single person or as a mom or a mom without a partner or a mom with a partner like we do not have the same 24 hours in a day. We don't.

Lesley Logan 10:02  

No. You're 100%.

Jenny Schatzle 10:03  

What we choose to do with our 24 hours is up to us. But comparing ourselves like, I don't have the same life at 44, with six-year-old twins and a husband that's gone a lot, but I still have a husband that's gonna come home. And he's all in. And he's an incredible partner, compared to a single mom who doesn't get the help, who has no family in town, or a 24-year-old, who's got a part-time job, who's a trust fund kid, or a 24-year-old who is barely making it and works, like we all have such different circumstances that we can't compare. You just, we got to stop comparing our days and our time.

Lesley Logan 10:37  

Yeah, the other day, my husband's gone for an overnight and I was like, wow, I got so much done today. Because I wasn't interrupted, I wasn't listening. So I'm like, you know, I don't even have the kids or the demanding things, or anybody who needs me more than a regular adult would need me. Like, I just have a husband who works with me and comes in my office at random times, I'm like, you are, you just stop interrupting me. So it's true. We all think we're supposed to be further along sooner than we are. And everyone else has a better and if we just had this and that seems like when I have or when this happens, those phrases, if you ever hear yourself saying them, you that should be like a red light to take a pause because you are not appreciating what's in the present and accepting what you have and what you can do. You know, I like to tell people, that it's brave and courageous to replace what you can't do yet with what you can. Because there's a lot of Pilates exercises that I teach in a class because it's an all-levels class, which means I have to hit the advanced people, too. And when I say is, if you're not ready for this exercise, yet, you're gonna replace it with some that was a challenge for you. And you're gonna remind yourself, it's brave and courageous to do something different in this moment, but also in every moment, it's actually the coolest thing to be the different person in the room. Everybody thinks that that person is actually doing really cool things that, you know, the people who become super awesome and super known aren't doing it because they were the same as everyone else. They did something to disrupt.

Jenny Schatzle 12:00  

And just if we're talking in the gym setting, because I've been in it as you had for a very long time. You know, I'm 44 years old now and my body, it hurts. You think it's not gonna happen to you, my knees hurt my hip hurts. I say I'm the captain of the Mod Squad. I own a gym, and I'm the one doing all the modifications in the gym setting. And I'm just gonna be brutally honest here. Nobody gives a shit what you're doing. Right? Like, nobody's actually watching you. Everybody's thinking 100% about themselves. I always joke in our gym, it's, people are just, they don't care. We have people who walk we have people who run and we have people who run really fast. If you're walking next to a person who's running fast, the person running and the person walking is not thinking about oh my gosh, this person is going so slow. They're thinking, when do I get off the treadmill? Right? When is this exercise over? When are we moving on? Like, when can I be? Nobody's watching you thinking that person is doing a terrible job. And that's just the story in our head. So many people always say, oh, I want to come take a class, I'm just scared or I need to get, I need to get in better shape, before I come take a class. (inaudible)

Jenny Schatzle 13:04  

I always say saying that is like saying you're too dirty to take a shower. I always like to remind everyone why we talk ourselves out of doing what we know is gonna make us feel good, right? Like when you're done with your Pilates, you feel so good. When you're done with a workout in my class, you feel so good. And yet we will sit and we will talk ourselves out of it. Because why? Because we're scared of what other people think because we don't like the size of our body because we think we can't do it. And before we've even tried, and you can't create a new habit, if you don't do it. And so this goes for all things like I tell people, you know, if you say I just want to start walking, you have to actually start walking and you got, you got to do it. Go 10 minutes for five, five days, you know, do 15 minutes of Pilates for 20 days in a row and see how it feels. You have to start and that goes for the same as I would say working out and then the lifelong I think everybody's like, I want to get more sleep, but you're unwilling to turn off the TV. Right? So you have to start like one of my big tricks and I'll go back to what you said too. I I like to give really easy actionable tools, because it's like anything, you can listen to a motivational speech or motivational podcast and you feel great. But then you're just like back to your normal life. Right? So it's before what you said with like, when people start comparing when you start comparing yourself or talking down to yourself, I tell people stop. Put your hand on your heart. And breathe and we're gonna do this together. Ready, everybody listening? Stop right where you are. Put your feet on the ground. Sit up straight. Relax your shoulders. Put your hand on your heart. And I want you to breathe in for five. Ready, breathe in. Go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Now hold, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Breathe out, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Now we're gonna do it one more time. And you're just gonna breathe in and you're gonna breathe out. But when we breathe in, I want you to say, "Here." When we breathe out, I want you to say, "Now." Ready? Breathe in, here. Breathe out, now.

Jenny Schatzle 15:23  

So when we do that, we get back into our body. So we can remind ourselves, I am here now. And then how do you want to move forward? When we're starting to spiral in comparison, or that we're not good enough, or that maybe we shouldn't go when we know we really do want to show up, stop and do that. Take a breath. It's five in, hold five, out five. And then one more where you say here now. 

Lesley Logan 15:55  

That's beautiful. 

Jenny Schatzle 15:55  

My other tool. I know, right? So good. My other tool is, I'm a big component of, you know, I've never been technically tested or whatever. I have ADHD, I have all the things right? Like, I can't focus. That's why I'm in the fitness world. I get to be loud and dance around and listen to music and meet new people. 

Lesley Logan 16:15  

You can be doing seven things at different times because everyone's doing over here. And you, I'm here. Brad and I are both undiagnosed.

Jenny Schatzle 16:23  

It's where I thrive, like I thrive in chaos. (Inaudible) Like, for me to sit still is really hard. I thrive in chaos. Anyway, so I have to set timers for myself. So for me, one of my big things is like, I am a mom, I have kids, like my alone time is at night. It's also where I do things that don't serve me like stay up too late watching TV, you know, I need sleep. So what, but I also don't believe in drastic, like takeaways from your life and things that like, it does make me happy to lay in bed and watch TV. And so I set timers now I'm like, okay, I'm gonna watch TV, either I'm gonna watch an episode for whatever it is, 30 minutes or an hour. Okay. And then after that, I set a timer for 20 minutes and I read and then I go to bed. So I'm doing one thing I enjoy. And I also enjoy reading. But reading before bed also helps me sleep better. Yeah, so it's not like I'm telling myself, you can't watch TV. But also, I don't want to watch. I mean, I do want to watch three hours of TV, but it doesn't serve me, right?

Lesley Logan 17:26  

Every time I stay up late to watch I'm like, I'm just gonna finish this. I regret it the next one, like why didn't I just space that show out three nights?

Jenny Schatzle 17:33  

Always. And it's not like watch it the next day, but I do have to cut myself off. So like, if I know the show is 45 minutes, I will literally set a timer and the timer goes off at the end. I'm like, okay, I need to turn it off. Because I need like a tool that's going to actually make me do it. Yeah, if that makes sense. 

Lesley Logan 17:51  

It totally makes sense. 

Jenny Schatzle 17:51  

I use it for everything in my life. You know, if I have to study for something. If I have to clean the kit- you've seen on my Instagram, I do a lot of the 10-minute cleanup, I'm a pretty messy person if we're being honest, but I like to clean the house. So I set a timer for 10 minutes, I can clean up as much as I can. And then I walk away. And some, you know, it takes me usually longer, but at least it gets it started. Anyway, I think setting a timer to do things is really helpful. 

Lesley Logan 18:18  

We actually, we have kitchen timers around this house for everything because I was just before this interview, I was on a call with my assistant. And she's like, so and so wants to make sure this is gonna get done. I'm like, well, you can tell so and so that there was no time in the calendar for me to do that. And I'm going to do it. And it's gonna get done. When I can get it done. I'll have it to her by Monday just gives me like three days. But when I go to do that thing, I always set a timer for 15 minutes and everything's on Do Not Disturb. And there's actually a study that if you have a visible timer near you, you actually stay more focused. And for someone like me with undiagnosed ADD, it's really helpful because believe it or not, I can even write that newsletter in 15 minutes, because I am so focused, I'm like in it, I'm thinking of the person that it's going to help. But if I'm like, oh, I'm gonna sit down and then at this hour I have my time I can write my newsletters. I'll take the whole hour because everything will take the time we like give it so setting a timer for a project also allows you if you have multiple things to do that day, you can at least get them started. You can do 10 minutes of pickup and then go timer goes up. Okay, now I'm going to do 10 minutes of like getting back to people on these emails, you're never going to clean up the inbox, but you're at least going to feel like you've got something done. And you move the needle forward in your day. So we're big fans of timers around here.

Jenny Schatzle 19:29  

I love that. Same thing. Yeah. And that's one thing that's actually, really changed my life. 

Lesley Logan 19:34  

Yeah, and I also, also messy not dirty, there's a difference like Brad's like can you just do something about your socks and I'm like, I just take them off wherever I am like that. I'll get them later.

Jenny Schatzle 19:46  

It's funny we laugh a lot. And we all have different things right? Like I'm I'm pretty messy at home but in the gym. I'm like crazy about the weights. The weights being stacked and the gym being super clean. It's pretty funny and people give me a hard time about it.

Lesley Logan 19:58  

Okay, one of the things I love about you is we're both fast talkers, we get to a lot in a little bit of time. You have two daughters, they cracked me up, you're so big on making sure that they are protected from hearing like terrible words. And something that you probably don't know is that around Thanksgiving, you post a thing about like ways to you know, handle rude or weird comments at the holidays and like also like how to handle those conversations. And in my coaching group, our our size diverse coach actually took that post and put it in her channel has like, hey, guys, this is that time of year where our customer, our clients say weird things. They're nervous to go home, here's some things you can arm them with. So for our listeners who you know, haven't gone back yet into, you guys are gonna binge on her Instagram. Before I hit play on this interview, I watched what you post about pink and I just cried. What are your things to help make sure that those family members around us who are not on board with like, what the lifestyle we want to live? How do we protect their terrible energy from harming our kids and even ourselves when we are like trying to live in this new place we love the body that we have?

Jenny Schatzle 21:03  

Yeah, I feel like I've been trying to get this question asked in all podcasts, and you're like the first person to ask this (inaudible). Thank you. Yeah, so and I am really big on honestly talking to moms about body image. So one thing I want to say too, is, yes, I'm trying to protect my kids. And also, it's impossible. And my kids obviously don't have phones, they're six, but they're gonna grow up with phones, social media, the media in general, because people will say to me, well, how are you going to keep them from hearing this message out in the world, but the stronger the message is at home, the stronger the base they have, and that is the goal. And again, it's not bad to tell your kids that they're pretty because I've had people message me and say, well, nobody ever said I was pretty nobody ever and I'm like, oh, I see that too. But I don't, we don't use like when my kids come out and they say do you like my outfit? Or anytime they walk out we always say, oh, you look so powerful. How do those clothes feel on your body? And they're like, good. So it's just kind of slightly changing the conversation? Or they say, How do I look? And I'm like, You look powerful. How do you feel? And so just having these slight interactions at home, we don't first think, oh, you look so pretty. That's not what we start with. And also, every holiday do a post, for the most part, and this isn't in every family. But for the most part, commenting, I'm very big on commenting on people's bodies, and that we don't do that anymore. And this even goes women to women, friends to friends, but a lot of times, especially around the holidays, going back home, I want a lot of people to know that most people don't do it to be mean, it's what is ingrained in them. And it's what they know. So even asking somebody, if they've lost weight is really triggering for a lot of people. And that person, your mom or your aunt or your cousin, they think you're giving a compliment. And I want to remind people that it's not a compliment. Okay, it's it's not only triggering, but underneath it all, it's telling us so many things. One, if somebody's like, oh, have you lost weight? We're getting this internal message that this person who just said that, they're paying attention to our body. They are paying attention to what we look like. And so I mean, I always say is have you, have you ever had somebody tell you you've lost weight and then the next time you saw them, maybe you've put some weight back on, and all you can think about is oh shit, they're gonna notice, right? Because we remember those things. And we remember the person, our body is a value to them, because they have now told us that they recognize and are paying attention to the size of our body. And so I think a lot of us, we don't think about that. And I always say, I'm not trying to be right, I'm just trying to create awareness, because so much of this language around bodies, is ingrained in us. And so a couple years ago, before I went back, I live in California, and I'm from Minnesota, and I sent a text to my family. And because I do this for a living and my family very much still talks about body and I grew up in a body-obsessed family. And then I went into the fitness world. So it continued very strongly and I said to them, basically, and I did post on my Instagram, but basically, how we talk to our family is, come from love, not from anger, because the minute you start blaming somebody and pointing the finger, like you said this, you can't say this around my kids, people's walls come up and they get very defensive. And we're trying to actually really create change. So we want to have very heartfelt open conversations. So I always start with this is what I've struggled with, you know, I've struggled with my body my entire life. And I'm really trying to change that for my children. That's number one. So I put out what I've struggled with and that I, as the mother of my children, I'm trying to change it for my children. Two, I asked for their help. So I'm going to ask for your help in this because you are a really big part of my children's lives. So I include the family in, right? Like, you are important, my kids are listening to you, they look up to you. And so I'm hoping that you'll help me in this. And what I'm asking is, please don't make any body comments about my body, my children's bodies, other people's bodies, you can do whatever you want, when I'm not around. But when I'm there with my children, could you just please respect that? And then on the third, I say, I love you and we're all trying to get better. And just, I really appreciate your help in this. So at first talk about my struggles, I then asked for their help with which also putting a little prompt in like, you know, you're a big part of this, I love you, my kids love you. And then thanking them and it has been really successful. 

Lesley Logan 25:44  

I love it because it's, you take the responsibility, and you invite people, people always want to be asked to help people always want to feel like they're participating in a positive way. And they, and also people want to do it right. So if you tell them what not to do, that's not the same as telling them what to do. So, Joseph Pilates would never tell anyone what not to do. He would never say don't in a session. You would never hear him say that's not right, don't do that. He would only tell you what to do. And so in the same, as exactly how I teach people in Pilates, but that's exactly what you're saying here. It's like you're not telling your mom, hey, you used to talk badly about my body, it made me really self-conscious and I don't want to do that on my daughter's. That's not helping her understand what she can say around them or like what is possible. And of course, you're gonna shut down, the walls and they're gonna feel like they don't do anything, right. And so I love the way you phrase that I think that's amazing. Everyone, we'll have it in the blog on the website. So you could just go and copy and paste for your family texts.

Jenny Schatzle 26:40  

And it's funny when I sent it, everybody was like, oh, like, how did your family respond? And I'll be honest, my family did not respond. So just, everyone should know that nobody texted back. Nobody responded. And then no one said anything while we were there.

Lesley Logan 26:56  

One of the major holidays.

Jenny Schatzle 26:57  

You might not get the response, and this is also to like, everybody's family is so different and also, it's so hard because I think a lot of times, especially when we are trying to break cycles and change conversations within our own families, we're hurt. And we, and it's upsetting. A lot of our family members aren't trying to be, they literally don't know better. They just have to think about like, how were they brought up? Who said, you know, anytime body comments are made, this is also a good reminder for us. Because, you know, we all think things it's you can't say like, don't judge because we're going to judge, but you can, in the moment of judgment. I've said this on your podcast. In the moment, the first thing we think is what is ingrained. The second thing we think, or what we do after that is who we want to be, right? So we judge, but then we get to shut ourselves down like, oh, wait, why do I care what she's wearing? That's none of my business. I don't even know her, right? Like, oh, so and so's body? What? Why do I care? What, I, that's none of my business. And so people who talk about other people's bodies, and we know this, we just have to remember this. It's everything to do with their body. You know, and so always think like, how did they grow up? What is ingrained in them? And so not trying to be right, like, get angry, I'm just trying to create awareness. Like, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't say this. And even when you have these conversations, and a lot of times, you're not going to get the response you want, like, you are so right, I am so sorry. You know, thank you. What we want people (inaudible), but a lot of times people might shut down or people just might not respond. But the fact is, you've planted the seed and now they're thinking about it. So you need to go in with I'm just trying to create awareness, not get the response I need.

Lesley Logan 28:44  

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really amazing to understand our expectations, you know, to manage our expectations so that it's, it can be a change. And I thank you for updating us on how it went, which is that no one said anything about bodies and what a, what a cool Christmas.

Jenny Schatzle 29:02  

It's a reminder to and to shut it down. What were they saying? I don't think I actually ended up pushing. I made a video of it. Because after I went to lunch, there was a group of women and somebody made a comment about like, bathing suits and their bodies and trying on and then I was like, I was like, this is not the lunch I signed up for like I came to talk with some awesome powerful women. And like we're all fabulous. And you know what? And I looked at my friend and I said, are you an able body? Are you healthy? Do you feel good? And she's like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm like, great. Let's start respecting that. And you know what, I got more important things to talk about, than what we look like in bathing suits, because I think we all look fabulous. And what's really going on? How's your marriage? Right? It's like, a lot of times, when we're talking about body and food, it's because we don't want to talk about the real stuff. And I don't want to sit around with a bunch of women and talk about how fat we are like how big your ass is, how you don't like, you know, I want to be able to support each other in a really positive way. And so it's like, okay, you're not feeling good in your body. What's really going on? Like, let's really talk about it. 

Lesley Logan 30:07  

Yeah, I like how you make it a fun joke. And then like, like kind of just like bring it to people's attention, because it's one of those things. It's like a domino effect, someone says something that someone else goes, and like, let's just be really honest, I don't know who the fit models are for bathing suits, but you're never just pick the size that fits you and don't, just tear the tag out ladies like you don't, it doesn't matter that you don't get to buy the small or the medium. Because no one sees a tag on the outside. Just pick the bathing suit that makes you feel good, and let it go and be the abled, I love what you call it, able-bodied. We forget that we have the ability to get out into the pool and go run around and go swim. And so like, there's, that's the least of our worries. It's like, if we look good enough in a bathing suit when no one's paying attention to you looking in a bathing suit.

Jenny Schatzle 30:51  

And most people don't, I'm gonna be honest, like, there's some staggering statistic like 90 something percent of women dislike their body. I mean, it's gut-wrenching. And so what are we doing to change that? You know, what we need to do? We need to show up in our body today. That's what we need to do. We need to stop basing our conversations with other women around how much we hate our bodies. Our kids don't grow up and are like, you know what, I'm really glad my mom never gotten a bathing suit. I talk a lot about moms because I am a mom. And I do believe that moms, and I'm in a very progressive marriage. But I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I run this house, right, and like our energy, and it's statistically known also that, how if we're talking about women, I do speak to women. But this goes for girls and boys, our kid's body image is directly affected to a mother's body image. And so if we want our children to have an, you know, I have a lot of moms and say, well, I don't ever talk bad about my body in front of my kids. It's an energy, like, we possess it. And our kids know, like, we, how we show up in our body is an energy and so and how we change that conversation is we have to, and when I say this, I don't wake up every day, like, I'm amazing, my body's perfect. Like I, I'm 30 pounds heavier than I was, when I probably technically, right like looked my best, according to society. But my body image was worse. Because I was so obsessed with food and body that it took me out of living my life. Now, I'm heavier, but I am at my healthiest, I feel so strong. And I'm confident in the way that if I don't feel if I'm having a bad body image day, I will still put on the shorts and I will still go out into the world. Like I will show up in my body every single day because I can even when I don't want to. And I think that's really what it's about. And it's about showing my girls that there is all these different size bodies, and my kids are not going to grow up and say, I'm really glad my mom never got in the water. I'm really glad my mom covered her arms and her thighs and never showed her belly. No kid is gonna say that. And so I don't care if you were a moomoo, a bikini, a one piece, like show up to your life in your body, show up with your kids get in the frickin water. And who cares. Like I did a whole thing about spring break. And going with like, a lot of times you go to spring break with other families, and you're so worried about the other moms and what they look like in their body and what they're gonna think, well guess what? They're worried about the same shit. It's like, just put on the frickin suit, go get in the pool, eat a burger by the pool and have some fun with your family and your friends. We're missing out on Ives, because we're so obsessed about what other people think of our bodies.

Lesley Logan 33:33  

Yeah. Oh my gosh, clearly, we could keep going. I I love when we get together. I really wish I had an excuse to go walk with you on the beach again, in Santa Barbara, like we did. That was the best time. Okay, y'all are gonna just follow her. But we're gonna find out where we could follow her and her Be It Action Items for us in just a brief second. 

Lesley Logan 33:50  

All right, Jenny. So people are gonna want to binge out on all of your content. They want to like literally get all of this reminders all the time, because my goodness, I agree. Ladies, please keep showing up and showing yourself out there in the world. It doesn't have to be on social media, because it helps people see all the different beauties that are out there. But where can people find you follow you and connect with you?

Jenny Schatzle 34:10  

Thank you. Yeah, Instagram is my biggest platform. So come to my Instagram, I answer all my DMs. So if you have questions, please message me. I love to hear from you guys. Yeah. And I just, I hope that you, we are all here for the conversation. And we're out there breaking the cycle, because it is not easy. This is one of the hardest things. (Inaudible) I'm 10 years sober. And this is way harder than getting sober. Right? Like learning to accept your body and who you are. But every time, every single listener out there, every time you show up as your authentic self, you give women around you permission to do the same.

Lesley Logan 34:46  

Yeah, you do. You know like there's so much that you have taught me from before I had you on the pod from when I just got to know you and to follow you. And then different times I have been able to experience you. You're right, there are certain things that are ingrained in us and I'll say it are all here (inaudible) hold on that's actually not how I feel about myself. That's not how I want to feel. And you help me be it till I see it. So I know you're gonna help our listeners. Before I let you go bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Jenny Schatzle 35:18  

Oh, I love it. Okay, one, the breath. We went over there. And that was a huge tool. It doesn't cost you anything. You can do it at any time. Two, we both have this tool, set your timers. Alright? Let's get on a time, let's like start something. Can we like, we're going to start.

Lesley Logan 35:31  

Let's do a timer challenge. 

Jenny Schatzle 35:32  

A challenge like we'll come up with (inaudible) together, make it official. And then the third thing is, and I'm just gonna be honest, this is again, it sounds like a cheesy self-help thing and it's changed my life. People, you got to journal, I'm coming out with a 90 ways in 90 days, and it's 90 days of body image journal prompts. So keep your eye out on that. But even before that, people throw this tool away. Like it's like, it's so funny. I think a lot of times, we make things harder than they need to 

Lesley Logan 36:04  

Yeah, because I'm gonna tell you, my listeners are gonna want to know what should they journal?

Jenny Schatzle 36:07  

(Inaudible) 90 ways in 90 days to love your body. And so, but for now, until that comes out. For now, again, set your timer. Okay, here's what you do. Sit down, do your breath. Set your timer for five minutes. And literally write everything that's going on in your head. I call it free writing. It's just even if you're writing, I don't know what to write, the thoughts will start to come out. It's five minutes. Don't worry about grammar. Don't worry about punctuation. This is again, one of such an easy tool that doesn't cost money that will literally, five minutes today, it can change your life. And it boosts creativity. If you're feeling stuck not only in your body, but in work or in your family or in your relationships. Guaranteed. If you were to start free writing five minutes a day, in 30 days, things would be different.

Lesley Logan 36:56  

I agree. Okay. I can't wait for your journal to come out. You have to let me know so I can promote it here on the pod and share with people. (inaudible) Oh, please, please, please. I'm so in. I am, I love a good prompt and I actually think that there's so many journals out there that are prompting us about mantras and affirmations. But like this is the journal that all these women are needing and imagine what's gonna happen, oh my God, I can't wait, there's got to be a 90-day challenge, we're gonna have to do that, too. So just let me know when we're all signed up for that. Jenny Schatzle, every time I see you, you just bring so much joy to my heart and my life and no matter where my level of vibration was, which is already in a great spot. I'm already in another spot and I've learned so much from you. So thank you for being the woman that you are and really helping all of us. And I'm not getting, my, my entire Agency community like follows you and we put you in this one channel because you also have helped, you know, for Pilates instructors, we want to say things that are gonna be helpful for our clients. And so in that channel, the girl is like instead of saying like, oh, you look like you've lost weight, which is a thing that a Pilates instructor or gym teacher could end up saying to people in that environment would can be what used to be considered appropriate. But instead it's like, oh, you look so strong today. Oh, I love that you did this exercise. Wow, you're so fun to be around. You're like, your energy's amazing class. Like, all those things are super complimentary, make people feel so seen and have nothing to do with their actual body. Like what it looks like, which is so great. So you have really been such a part of our lives in that way. So thank you. Y'all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Please let Jenny Schatzle know. Tag her. Tag the Be It Pod and you send this to a friend, send this to the friend who's complaining about her bathing suit so that she can hear it from us instead of you. If you don't feel comfortable telling her yet right and and so, thank you so much everyone and until next time, be it till you see it.

Lesley Logan 38:50  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day.

Lesley Logan 39:18  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 39:33  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 39:38  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 39:42  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 39:49  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 39:53  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Discover the transformative power of setting boundaries, maintaining routines, and embracing self-care as Lesley shares her experiences in managing a hectic travel schedule while preserving her well-being. Hear Melissa's story of standing firm on her policies and Joanne's journey of balancing personal and professional success. This episode is filled with inspiration and practical tips to help you nurture a balanced and fulfilling life.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Melissa's success in standing firm on policies.
• Impact of receiving help and re-energizing efforts.
• Importance of self-care amidst a busy schedule.
• Practical ways to incorporate creativity into your life.

Episode References/Links:

• Move Free From Pain by Joanne Sutton
• Joanne Sutton’s Article
• Melissa Nagai

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hello Be It babe. Welcome to the last FYF of May in 2024. It is May 31st. Holy moly. We did it. We all made it. That's the win. What if that was the win? So FYFs are Fuck Yeah Friday.

 That just means we take a moment to celebrate wins of yours that you send in. So send them to me. And a win of mine and the team's. And all of this is to continue to bring positivity in your life and let you see that there are wins happening all around you. And sometimes we don't think of when it's happening that when we hear a win of someone else like, oh, I had that happen to me. It's like, yeah, it was a win. And yet you guys celebrate it. So here we go. 

We'll start with a couple wins of yours. So this one is from Melissa Nagai. I'm always excited to stand strong on my policies. I have a mom and her two adult daughters doing intros right now. Mom started first and daughters are doing a duo. One no show on our first session, then I get an email from her and another from her mom this morning asking me if she could make it up in her mom's final private. Normally, I'll probably say yes, since they are relatives and the mom was okay with not having a private but with the amount of emails I get from these three asking me repetitive questions I've already sent out info about or asking to give them in a single intro instead of three because they did Pilates at somewhere else before a couple years ago, blah, blah, blah. I know that if I give in to any of their pushes, they will keep pushing whenever I say no to them, or that is how it is. That's how I do it. They end up going along with my rules. The gym is doing a cancer fundraiser next Saturday. So I will be there for a while teaching 30-minute sessions in the studio by donation. My capacity is three so only get to teach nine people at most, but at least that will expose people to what we do here. And I got more organized with my challenge yesterday. I'm excited now that I have it all mapped out in a bit better and I still have work to do. But I have a plan and a list. You know, isn't that cool? You can have a win that's like I don't have, I got ton of work to do but I got a plan. I got a list. That's a win. I did it. I also want to highlight I did a training program a long time ago and they said there's takers and space makers in this world. And there's actually nothing wrong with being a taker or being along with the space maker. But you need to acknowledge that takers are going to take and space makers are going to wait for takers to take up space and then they could take up space. So first of all, acknowledge who you are. Are you a taker or are you space maker? And then space makers, guess what, takers are just here to ask if they can take and that doesn't mean you have to space-make you can actually say no. And you can still be a space maker you can still be an awesome person. So way to go Melissa, for holding stronger that you're teaching people valuable lessons that they need to learn which is how to protect their time. So I love that way to go. 

All right. We have a win from Joanne Sutton. She's an Agency member and she has been with us a long time. You've probably heard about her wins because she has written a book. She is a bestseller. She wrote being able to join the ambassador's coaching call live was a huge win for me. After my mom was hospitalized for almost two weeks. It was a wonderful to be inspired and re-energized again to work on my biz and gain some momentum. After three years of caring for my mom, I finally have helped for four hours per week. The first two-hour session was fabulous. My helper did meal prep for me and chop mountains of fruit and vegetables while I cooked the food. It saves so much time she did vacuum the floor and load the dishwasher for me. I was so grateful. And I think it's going to change my life. I wrote an article about my book for the PAA which is Pilates Association Australia, which was published yesterday. The public relations officer was very, very happy with it. Way to go, Joanne, you have personal win. You have professional wins. Like I just also love that you are seeing how like having even just four hours of help is a win, right? Like we are not meant to do life alone. So way to go and thank you for sharing this journey that you're going on with all of us. Because it's actually giving us a lot of inspiration on what we can do, too. So thank you. 

Okay, my win. You guys, it has been a whirlwind these first five months, I have been traveling a lot and I said I wasn't going to travel that much this year. And I had an impromptu trip. I was offered to be on schedule. And I, part of me was like, I don't know if I should do it. I've just got so much going on. I don't know if I should do it. Another part of me was like well, I want to do it. So if I want to do it doesn't really matter if like, you know that I haven't been home like I want to do this. And so I just did my final trip for at least 30 days. I think it might even be like seven 75 and I'm so excited about it. Although we might go on a little camping trip, Brad and I, in the middle of this, but for the month of June, I am staying in Vegas. And that's my win. My win is that I was able to survive and maintain a lot of my routines and habits and taking care of me and my self-care while going all over this country, back and forth many, many times. And so I share that because it's so easy for us to think I can't have routines, I can't have self-care if I've got a lot going on. And it's not true. You can. You just have to understand like you can't do all the things all of the time. So it hasn't been my exact morning routines every single day, but has been the ones that my body has needed. And I've been, I've been celebrating that every single day, but I'm also celebrating that like I'm home now and I'm gonna be home for at least 34 days if not longer without leaving this house and that is also a win. I get to be a homebody and I can't even wait. See, wins don't have to be that I won the lottery or like I built a storefront or I sold my business for $50 million. That can be, I'm actually staying at home. It can be that simple. And that, for a lot of people, especially my overachievers, that can be actually a really big deal win. So. Alright, that's my win. I'm sticking to it. 

And now for the affirmation for you for this weekend. What do we have? I love this one. I invite art and music into my life. I invite art and music into my life. I invite art and music into my life. How can you do that? You just turn on some music right now. What if you like a lot of playlists just like create itself? Or maybe you go see a play? Or maybe walk past an art gallery and you go inside? How can you invite art and music into your life more? Maybe just start to hear the birds chirping? That's my favorite thing about the walk at night. In the springtime there's these birds that chirp and I just it's the one that I love I think is called the mockingbird and there's like a sage something. Anyways, these two birds are always in this one tree and they chirp all night and I turn my podcasts off just like I love their beautiful, beautiful music that they're making. So I invite art and music into my life. How can you do that this week? Have an amazing day. Thank you for being part of the Be It Till You See It podcast. You are awesome. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:09  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:14  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 8:18  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:25  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 8:28  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Lesley and Brad reflect on Lesley's interview with Nick Hutchison, founder of BookThinkers and author of 'Rise of the Reader.' Discover Nick's inspiring journey from indifference to reading to becoming a passionate advocate for personal development books. Learn practical strategies for reading more effectively, including setting specific, measurable goals and integrating reading into your daily routine. Get actionable tips on how to read 20 books a year and retain valuable information, enhancing your personal and professional growth. 

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why feeling like an impostor is normal when starting something new.
• The value of audience engagement and feedback in the creative process.
• Importance of reading books that address specific problems or build skills.
• Set SMART goals in retaining and applying knowledge gained from books. 
• Targeted reading to address and solve personal problems effectively.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Summer Camp - so
• OPC Summer Tour
• Balanced Body
• eLevate 2025
• BookThinkers Website
• BookThinkers Instagram
• Rise of the Reader
• The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz

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Brad Crowell 0:00  

He always asks them, "If I paid you $10,000, if you read this book in the next month, would you do it?" And of course they would say, "yeah, yeah, yeah, I would totally do it." And he said, "Great, I've caught you in my trap." And the trap is obviously prioritization. We don't prioritize reading, so we don't read, right?

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:06  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig in to the pragmatic convo I had with Nick Hutchison in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to this episode, you should. You should just listen to it. So listen in any order you want. Doesn't really matter to us. But go listen to Nick. He is incredible. He's amazing. He's also just like, really like, sweet, nice dude. And he, it's announced we can say, he is expecting his first kid.

Brad Crowell 1:32  

I didn't know that. That's exciting. Congratulations, Nick.

Lesley Logan 1:35  

Oh. Get on social. I know. 

Brad Crowell 1:37  

Yeah, I'm all over that. (Inaudible)

Lesley Logan 1:39  

Well, he can do Dad's Club. He could do Vincent's Dad's Club. Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 1:39  

Yeah. I'll connect the dots there, Nick. That's exciting. 

Lesley Logan 1:46  

I love it. He didn't even ask for dad advice and I'm like you should do this thing

Brad Crowell 1:50  

Congratulations. You're going to get it. 

Lesley Logan 1:50  

So today is May 30th. It is World MS Day. About this day, World Multiple Sclerosis Day, falling on May 30th, invites dialogue on the disease. Multiple sclerosis, MS, is a relapse-remitting disease with a very slow progression. MS is also known as encephalomyelitis disseminata and its symptoms include muscle weakness, double vision and mental physical problems due to lack of research studies on the disease. The exact causes behind it are generally unknown. Many scientists believe that there might be connected to the onset of the disease and genes or nerve-cell dysfunction. Furthermore, there's no permanent cure yet. The symptoms can be relieved using the right set of treatments and medication. I just want to like shout out because there's actually been a lot of talk about this. Selma Blair, I believe, did a docu-series or documentary about this. She's been very vocal about it. Christina Applegate is now in a cane. And she, I believe, has to stop acting because of it and like she had a really amazing show, even up until very recently.

Brad Crowell 3:00  

We just met someone in Phoenix PLT who has MS.

Lesley Logan 3:05  

Yeah. Jack Osbourne has it. Montel Williams and Jamie-Lynn Sigler. There's actually more. There's, I'm gonna see if there's anyone you might know. But there's Tamia Hill, David lLnder, Walter Williams, Jonathan Katz, Janice Dean, Richard Pryor, Neil Cavuto, Trevor Bayne. So there's a ton more. I'm sure there's more. The only reason I brought these people up is like, you might have like, loved them for a long time and wonder what they're doing. And the truth is, is that this is a really hard and really sad thing that we have no information on, there's not a lot of treatments or studies being done on it, and it's a real shame. So anyways, but shout out to Selma Blair for the work that she's been doing to draw attention to it. So what do we got coming up? Okay. OPC Summer Camp is like this weekend. It is this weekend, not like, it is this weekend. 

Brad Crowell 3:56  

It is May 30th. That means we're looking at two days from now is June 1st.

Lesley Logan 4:03  

Yes. So Brad and I will have our blue blockers along (inaudible). We are going to have to go to bed early tomorrow night, Brad, because you have to get up super early on Saturday. We are it's all hands on deck because it is just like Zoom. Like it's seven Zooms a day, seven different links, seven different teachers each day. Different groups of people, some people have day pass, some people have bought ala carte, so we have to be on top of everything. As a camp directors that we are, and we have 13 other camp counselors and just an incredible lineup of events for you. This is the biggest thing we've ever done online and we really hope you join us because it's, it's really it's all about the Pilates practitioner. You do not have to be a teacher to join these. And if you can't join us live you get to have the replays. So buy them anyways.

Brad Crowell 4:48  

That's right. I think that's the key. If you can't join us live, you get to keep the replays. 

Lesley Logan 4:53  

Yeah, so opc.me/events is how you get your tickets before we go live. Okay, after that we're actually going to head out on tour. OPC Summer Tour. We're headed to the Midwest, y'all. We're hitting cities. We just pretty much skip over all the time. And so, Chicago. I'm looking at Yale. 

Brad Crowell 5:13  

Milwaukee. One of the Twin Cities.

Lesley Logan 5:14  

Milwaukee. Yes. One of the Twin Cities. 

Brad Crowell 5:15  

We're actually looking at

Lesley Logan 5:18  

Indy.

Brad Crowell 5:19  

Yeah, sure.

Lesley Logan 5:19  

We have something in Denver. I mean, we go to Denver all the time, but we're going to, we're going to Denver. Colorado Springs. We are looking at Indy. I think we talked to someone. 

Brad Crowell 5:31  

We're potentially gonna be in Cincinnati. We're looking at that. 

Lesley Logan 5:34  

Yeah. So at any rate, lots of places. I think there's like 12 cities over the two weeks.

Brad Crowell 5:40  

We're gonna kick it off in Vegas. So we just added a 13th. 

Lesley Logan 5:42  

Oh, hello, Vegas. Hi, for the love, thanks for being our kickoff location and sending us off on the way. So anyways, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Our headlining sponsor is Balanced Body, that means goodies, and you know, you're gonna get certificate towards buying that piece of equipment you've always wanted. And if you use my link, you get the discount. So boom, extra credit. Okay, then another thing that's happening as we speak now, but in June, hopefully open up the doors to eLevate for 2025. And I know that sounds a little early, but the reality is, is that the mentorship is a nine-month program. There's five weekends, I like to give people plenty of time to get their schedule ready, get ready for it, plan for it, and also be able to pay for it. So it is an investment and I don't take that lightly. So if you are wanting to learn more about eLevate if you want to, if you already know you want to do it, we only take 12 people in a round, you want to go to lesleylogan.co/ew. And by the way, my name is spelled L-E-S-L-E-Y L-O-G-A-N (lesleylogan.co/ew) That means eLevate waitlist.

Brad Crowell 6:45  

If you missed all that and we still have spots left, just reach out to us. If you want to join us.

Lesley Logan 6:51  

We don't know if we have spots left because we're recording in the

Brad Crowell 6:51  

We're recording ahead of time.

Lesley Logan 6:55  

Ahead of time. 

Brad Crowell 6:57  

But yes, let's shift over to the audience question. So this is from schonliving on Instagram, I'm building my hours towards my Pilates mat certification and I find teaching group classes is much harder than one-on-one. Any tips to overcoming the fear, insecurity, anxiety and the form of impostor syndrome that I'm experiencing from being in front of a group class?

Lesley Logan 7:24  

Yeah, so schonliving, let me, okay, I love this question. First of all, a lot of people even say that they prefer a class to a private and that's because in the class they like it's kind of chaotic, and they, they don't have, there's a lot going on. So no one will notice that they might be nervous and on a one-on-one people can sense it. So I love that you are so confident on your one-on-ones it's actually quite hard to do. So I would say you're winning. The second thing I would just say is if you find you have imposter syndrome and you're new at anything, so this is for anyone, if you're new at something, you should feel like an imposter. You are new at it. If you didn't feel nervous. You are an egomaniac, narcissistic person who should probably go get like, like checked out. So anyway, here's what I will say is if you haven't listened to last week's episode goes into my my answer on cueing, you are new, you are not going to have it all figured out. You are going to have been a little nervous. What I would say first of all, the thing that I always do when I step into something that makes me nervous, I could just go, it's showtime and I be it till I see it. How would you act if you already were feeling confident teaching group classes? How would you act? How would you hold yourself? Like how would you welcome people into your class? How would you? How would you greet the class? How would you start the class? What is your speech for the class? How would you end the class, right? Don't worry about 

Brad Crowell 7:24  

Yeah, you just be it till you see it.

Lesley Logan 8:43  

Yeah, don't worry about what you're gonna say in the middle of class. What are the in cast that you can control that you want to say to invite people into a space that you're in control of? Okay, so that's first and foremost. Second, my teacher Jay Grimes would say bad Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never. I always translate that to ugly Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never. When you're teaching a bunch of people who have different learning styles and different abilities of paying attention, it's gonna be a hot mess. So you need to look at a class and like be able to spot danger and correct that. Anything in between danger and perfect, just let it be. Okay? It will, they need to come back and they will get better. So that'd be my other thing. And the next thing is, is that people become teachers and in weekends now, like literally in a weekend or months, maybe showing that you, you've been doing this for a year, I don't know. But something tells me probably not. My teacher would say you're not really a teacher till I've been teaching for five years. And so just teach as many people as you can.

Brad Crowell 9:54  

Not in a judgment way. But the reality is there's so much to process and dots to connect and you know, just understanding plus you have to, you should be feeling it in your own body, too. You know, so it just takes time, y'all. It takes time.

Lesley Logan 10:09  

A lot of questions and worries and concerns you have they kind of answer themselves, the more you teach. So what I would say is get some friends together that love you. And to say I need to practice teaching a class and just teach them and they in return should give you testimonials. That's what they should do. That is, but that's going to help you but your goal, of course you're gonna feel nervous. You obviously care about doing well. So that says to me, nervous energy, and impostor syndrome just shows that you care and that you're brand new at something. You would never let a client go, oh, I can't do the 100 on day one. Because (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 10:14  

You would laugh at them and say, of course you can't. 

Lesley Logan 10:49  

You're new. 

Brad Crowell 10:50  

You just started.

Lesley Logan 10:51  

So my dear, of course you are nervous. You're new. And so for anyone who does teach Pilates, all this stuff applies to everything you want. You got to be it till you see it. How would you act if you already knew how to do the thing? And second of all, if you're beginner, kindness and graciousness and patience with yourself.

Brad Crowell 11:09  

Yeah, to yourself with yourself. Exactly. Yeah, great question. Okay. Now let's talk about Nick Hutchison. Nick Hutchison is the founder of BookThinkers, a company dedicated to helping authors promote and market their books. Initially indifferent to reading, Nick's outlook transformed in his early 20s after discovering the transformative power of personal development books. Today, as he's a lifelong learner, he has penned Rise of the Reader and podcast host of BookThinkers, Life Changing Books, his work across various platforms provides valuable strategies for implementing the lessons learned from books into everyday life.

Lesley Logan 11:51  

Yeah, he's cool. I really, I really enjoy him. I was on his podcast, BookThinkers, by the way. 

Brad Crowell 11:59  

He's the nicest dude. 

Lesley Logan 11:59  

Just really nice, very thoughtful. He's very perceptive. He listens. And he integrates it, he analyzes it, and he puts it out. It's just really wonderful. Get his book, you guys, if you are reading books, so that we're talking about on the podcast, and like, I'm not retaining enough, get his book. It's so, so, so good. It's been so helpful. Based off of his book, he taught a little mini version of it to us at the BBG event we went to, and I found that I took less tasks home, because I was like, the only thing I have to do is this thing, I'm only here for this thing, this is my intention for the next few days. And I really listened to a lot of things I was like, That's a great idea, not mine, that's a great idea, not mine, I left going, I just have these three things I'm going to do when I leave, and it's only been three, it's like two. And I'm really, really happy about it, because it's just great. So go get his book. 

Brad Crowell 12:47  

Love that. 

Lesley Logan 12:48  

One of the things I love he said that don't assume what your audience wants. And we mentioned the four agreements.And so the four Agreements, in case you've not read the book is don't take anything personally, don't make assumptions. The other two are be honorable with your word. If you say you're gonna do it, do it. And then there's a fourth one, always do your best. He said, don't assume what they want, ask them what they want. And then they should be brought along with you. Too often, a lot of people who are in this, maybe you're not wanting to write a book, but maybe you want to create a product or on-demand course or have an event. Most people protect it, hold it preciously to themselves. And then they're like, I get it. Here it is, here's the thing I made for you. But you didn't get any feedback along the way. So they weren't part of building it with you, which means they're not invested in the thing that you're excited about. And you didn't get the feedback along the way to know that they would want blue over green. 

Brad Crowell 13:35  

Well, you guys both used personal experiences to relay, relay this obviously, the the first launch of Agency. You know, there was a lot of emotions tied up in that flop and also a shit ton of hours to spending time to like make this thing actually come together. And then Nick laughed and said, oh, I did that. He built an entire app. And he spent hundreds of hours and tens of thousands of dollars to build this app and nobody used it. And that's because we were making assumptions prior to rolling the thing out and then what you talked about with the flashcards was when you were rolling out the second reformer deck, you share the process along the way. And it got people that much more excited that much more excited. And it was it was considerably more of a powerful experience and launch for people than the first deck. 

Lesley Logan 14:31  

Well, we were just at Pilates on tour in Phoenix. And this one girl is like, oh, I'm on the waitlist for the barrels and I'm like, oh, thank you so much. And I went to update her she's like, oh, I got the email. You're in the editing process right now. And she was so excited. So like take them on the journey because they actually get excited with you. They want to know what's going on. Like it was really cool and we hopefully by the time this comes out, it's on presale, because were obviously recording earlier, but it is part of it. And I can't recall if we've ever talked about this on here, but I'm just gonna bring it up in case you missed the episode. You know, we were at the Soho House couple days where we saw Nick in person last month. And this guy was just like how do you get people to wait for things. And it's really not about waiting for things. It's also about buying things. He was bringing up waiting, but to me how I think about how purchasing power you all listening have the purchasing power, every single one of you. You determine if something is successful or not. So you need to know that in everything that you buy, you actually give feedback based on your dollars. Okay, you've voting dollars, like you have a lot of different things you can think about with your money. And I, I shared that I bring people on the journey, I get them excited, I tell them the process behind the thing. And eight years ago, I might not have done that because I might have been like oh my God they're going to take my idea. They're going to be able to do it. Now they know how to do it. Here's the thing. And Nick and I talked about this. James Altucher says that less than 2% of people, yeah, less than 2% of people actually take action on any idea, let alone yours. And being part of the process makes them want to do it. So at any rate, I really love that he brought that up. I think it's useful not just for authors, but for anyone creating anything anywhere. What did you love that he said?

Brad Crowell 16:14  

I really loved when he was talking about the different reasons that people use excuses, justifications that people use why they don't read. He was talking about, I'm so busy or in a company, I've got a family, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he he always asks him, if I paid you $10,000 if you read this book in the next month would you do it? And of course, they would say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would totally do it. And he said, great, I've caught you in my trap. And the trap is, is obviously prioritization. We don't prioritize reading so we don't read, right? And his book is pretty cool in that it gives some practical advice on how to read 20 books a year by doing 15 minutes a day, which is 1% of your day. If you, if you do that, you're going to put yourself on track to read those 20 books a year. And he basically said, listen, it's not a question of whether or not we can read the books. It's a question of whether or not we value it enough. Right? It's about picking books that solve problems and build skill sets. And so you know, you know, whether you read as an escape, like, you know, to like to step away from the crazy hectic that you have, or you read to learn. When you're picking up a book for, especially for the learning, the rest of his book helps you actually apply and retain and apply the information that you're learning from that book.

Lesley Logan 17:55  

Yeah, I mean, I actually do like that you said that. We had another guy who said like, what if I told you if I pay you a million dollars to lose 50 pounds overnight could you do it? And he went like 50 pounds overnight? And he said, sure you could. You could have a leg off. Right? He's like, not ideal, but you could, right? And I 

Brad Crowell 18:12  

He did say that and I was like I heard, he did say that. That's true. 

Lesley Logan 18:17  

There's always a way. And I think it is, you know, like really asking yourself what you're prioritizing. And I think we talked about this in the episode which is like, you know, your entertainment time? Like, how much of it are you watching? Like Netflix? What if you just took a little bit of it, like a little portion of your entertainment time and read a book? That could solve the problem.

Brad Crowell 18:35  

Well, I laughed when he said, Yeah, it was working for this guy who suggested that I take my drive time, my 10 hours of drive time and start listening to podcasts. And I started taking notes on the pods, then decided to implement some of the strategies on the pods. And later, that same boss was like, wait, hold on. So now you're reading books, you're taking notes on the books, and then you're actually taking that advice and implementing it into your life. And he said, Nick, that's weird. He said nobody does that. That's amazing.

Lesley Logan 18:37  

He was using it in his job and it was making him way better at his job. And his own boss was like, what? How do you know this? How do you do this? So like it can, if you want to differentiate yourself, like it's not about being like 10 years ahead of some people sometimes just being a little bit ahead and that knowledge is that kind of power. So yeah.

Brad Crowell 19:26  

It's true. 

Brad Crowell 19:27  

All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Nick Hutchison? He said, set a SMART goal for each of the books that you read. We've talked about SMART goals before. SMART stands, it's an acronym, stands for specific, measurable, attainable, relevant and time-bound goals. Right? So specific, measurable, measurable meaning what's not measured can't really be managed. So set goals that are measurable, attainable. Set a realistic goal, trying to consume too much of an unrealistic goal makes you, it allows procrastination to creep in because it doesn't seem attainable. Then, relevant. You emotionally connect to the information. What does this book going to do for you? Ask yourself why am I actually reading this book and then time-bound. Give yourself an actual deadline to take actions on what you're learning in that book. Or for some of us, it might just be a timeout action to read the damn thing in the first place. Right? So he also includes writing down intentions on the inside cover of the book that you own and then reviewing it every time you read another chapter. So what are your intentions for this book, finished chapter two, go back and read your intentions. finished chapter three, read your intentions, finished chapter four. I think it's a really interesting way to stay focused on what you're trying to get out of the book. And you know, instead of just being like, I'm reading the book, I got through the book. Okay, next. I got through that book, too. I got through this book, too. No, you're actually anchoring, what you're learning against what your intentions for that book were. Pretty cool. 

Lesley Logan 21:08  

Or I think, also, if you, like some books might have several things you can learn from them. But if you stick with one intention, you can always go back through. And like read it with a different intention. Yeah, yeah. But this way, you can actually not just take in information, you can integrate what you're learning, because you're not taking on too much information at one time.

Brad Crowell 21:24  

I love it. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 21:25  

Okay, he said do a little personal edit, find a problem that you're dealing with and identify the problem and then go there and find a book that can help you solve it correctly. So he said, a lot of us won't do this. He's a warrant. If you don't fix it over the next 30 years, you'll experience that problem almost 11,000 more times. So. 

Brad Crowell 21:42  

It's pretty insane. 

Lesley Logan 21:43  

It's insane. But it's true. Because if you think of like, we have like 60,000, or whatever the amount of thoughts per day, and like 80% of them are like the same thought, because you haven't solved the problem. And you're just like rerunning that in your head. So I would just say, a lot of times people ask for advice on like, what books should I be reading? But yes, you could ask others for that. That could be very helpful. But if you first identify the problem, you might like the book that you pick up first better because it's about you. And we only care about solving our own problems. So there it is. 

Brad Crowell 22:15  

Yeah, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 22:16  

Anyways, Nick is awesome. Just you can actually follow him on Instagram and get really great book advice. You could you can also listen to his podcast BookThinkers to get really great ideas on like, what's a book that can solve a problem that you want to solve? So check him out and let us know what your favorite parts were. Share this with a friend if you've got a friend who's like saying they want to read more. That's a really good episode. Help them understand how they can do that and prioritize that reading goal. And until next time, you guys, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 22:41  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 22:42  

Thank you so much for listening. How are you going to use these tips in your life, share with us, share with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 22:48  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 22:50  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 23:17  

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Brad Crowell 23:32  

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Lesley Logan 23:37  

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Brad Crowell 23:42  

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Lesley Logan 23:49  

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Brad Crowell 23:52  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Explore the power of reading with Lesley Logan and guest speaker Nick Hutchison, author of ‘The Rise of the Reader’. In this episode, Hutchison reveals how he evolved from a non-reader to devouring over 100 books annually, offering actionable tips on selecting books, effective note-taking, and applying what you learn. Learn to set SMART reading goals and balance your Entertainment to Education ratio to maximize personal development through literature.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Nick evolved from a non-reader to a prolific book reviewer.
• The crucial lessons Nick learned from early product failure. 
• The importance of feedback and iteration in successful entrepreneurship.
• How James Altucher's influenced Nick’s approaches to idea generation.
• The motivations and processes behind ‘Rise of the Reader’.

Episode References/Links:

• BookThinkers on Instagram
• Check out the BookThinkers Website
• Rise of the Reader: Strategies For Mastering Your Reading Habits and Applying What You Learn
• Limitless by Jim Kwik
• James Altucher Podcast

Guest Bio:

Nick Hutchison is the visionary force behind BookThinkers, a thriving 7-figure marketing agency bridging authors and readers. In just over 7 years, he has cultivated a platform reaching over 1,000,000 people monthly and hosts the top 2% global podcast, "BookThinkers: Life-Changing Books," featuring interviews with renowned authors like Grant Cardone and Lewis Howes. Nick's platform and services have empowered countless authors to reach millions of readers, driving substantial revenue growth. His services encompass video production, podcast booking, and social media brand building. With a mission to inspire readers to take action, Nick authored "Rise of the Reader," delving into mastering reading habits and applying newfound knowledge to unlock potential.

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Episode Transcript:

Nick Hutchison 0:00  

I have used these books in my twenties. I just turned 30. To become healthy, wealthy and happy. And I'm like, I know everybody else can too, because these books are condensing decades of somebody else's greatest life lessons and lived experience into days of reading. It's the greatest shortcut ever, but people aren't using them the right way. We're not taught how to retain and implement from books.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:03  

Hello Be It babe. Oh, my freaking goodness. This is gonna be a great episode. Nick Hutchison is our guest. So I'm just going to let the cat out of the bag right now. And I'm just going to tell you just really, really excited because I don't always get to meet our guests before I have them on and I got to meet this person. You'll hear all of the things about that in the interview. But there's something really special about knowing how amazing they already are before I get to bring them on (inaudible) and best way and I just really think you're going to love today's episode. I mean, I think that all the time. So obviously you're like, duh, Lesley, of course. But no, truly, we've had on a lot of authors in the past, and they're always talking about their awesomeness. But we've never had someone actually tell you how to retain that awesomeness. And next book is called The Rise of the Reader. And he'll tell you more about it, but you're gonna need to go get it. So you can just go to the show notes right now and just buy it, of course, because his tips on how to retain what you're reading are going to also help you retain what you're listening to this podcast. And so anyways, this is just a fabulous episode with a great human being who you're going to hear his journey of how he became a voracious reader, and he didn't grow up that way. And so if you're listening to this going ah, Lesley, another book person. I don't read. This is for you. This is absolutely for you. You don't have to have been a reader to become a reader. And so thank you, Nick, for being an amazing guest. Here he is you guys, Nick Hutchison. 

Lesley Logan 2:30  

All right, Be It babe, I'm so excited. I got to know this person in real life. And when they stood up to introduce themselves I'm like, that is really cool what they're doing. That's really amazing. And then, by happenstance, he was put at the table to sit next to me and I got to hear how freakin intelligent he is. And just really how well he's able to distill down to certain problems and help people solve them. But more importantly, he's also an amazing author who really gets people reading. So Nick Hutchison, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Nick Hutchison 2:54  

Yes. Thank you so much for the opportunity. And you forgot to tell everybody that I got to drive you to the event.

Lesley Logan 3:00  

Oh my God. That's right. Okay. Okay. This is really funny, you guys. He said, oh, I have a rental car. And I was like, I don't know how far this hotel is from this place. So I better get in on this car. So you were our chauffeur. Thank you so much. In the rain. I appreciate it.

Nick Hutchison 3:16  

Nick Hutchison, chauffeur extraordinaire. So my name is Nick, I grew up in the Boston, Massachusetts area, I was not much of a reader growing up, which we could dive deeper into in a minute. But somewhere in my early 20s, I discovered the world of personal development books, and I fell head over heels in love with it. So I started a company called BookThinkers today. We're an agency that helps authors promote and market their books, we've got a bunch of cool services, I decided to write my first book, Rise of the Reader, back in November. And that's when it launched. And so I love helping people retain and implement more from the books that they read, the podcasts they listen to, the events that they attend. And then I also host my own podcast where I do a deep dive on a book with an author. Lesley is going to be on that podcast sometime soon. So I'm really excited for that. And that's who I am. I'm just passionate, curious, a lifelong learner. And I love books. 

Lesley Logan 4:11  

Okay, so I have to go back to though, you didn't grow up being a reader. I grew up being a reader. That was, my parents were like, you can have books, but they didn't buy it. We had to go to the library. We were constantly in the library, I would get as many books as they let me check out and I'd read them as fast as I could so I can get more. But how did you become a reader later, and then on this journey to push more people to read, I think it's kind of crazy, since that wasn't what you did when you're younger.

Nick Hutchison 4:34  

You know, it's funny, I grew up around reading as well. But I think that somewhere along the way, I started to be a little rebellious. And I realized that in the traditional public education system if you're being forced to read something and you're being forced to conform with how they think the book should be read and talked about, I just didn't like that it didn't sit well with me. I also fell into being a little bit more of the athletes stereotype not really much of the academic right? So I played football and I was captain of the wrestling team. And you just couldn't pay me to do my homework. I was capable. I was in AP classes and stuff. But I would famously rock a zero percent homework average. So I was just not into the idea of being a nerd or whatever. And I sort of looked down upon books, which was a mistake. And that attitude continued with me through, I'd say most of my college experience as well. I was in the dining hall and the gym playing basketball, not in the classroom. But all of that changed for me when I took an internship at a local software company, going into my senior year of college, because I was commuting an hour each way. And my boss at the time, Kyle, he recognized that I had some we'll call it unfulfilled potential. That's probably a nice way to put it. I was a little rough around the edges, a little arrogant, a little bit of a know it all. And he said, Listen, man, you're commuting an hour each way. That's 10 hours a week in the car. Why don't you try listening to some podcasts, because podcasts will teach you something, they'll get you closer to your potential, but listening to the same song or the same playlist, to the same radio station is not going to help you in life. And so I did, I started listening to all of these amazing podcasts. And very quickly, to make the long story short, I recognize that a lot of the successful people being interviewed on these shows, they were giving at least some credit for their success to the books that they had read or we're currently reading. And I'm like, okay, books are dumb, but I might as well give it a shot, because that's what everybody's telling me to do. And the rest is history. I've been reading 50 to 100 books a year ever since. 

Lesley Logan 6:32  

That is amazing. Okay, I love that because it's true. I used to commute before, before podcasts were a thing. Like I had a little bit of a commute in my college years. And it was the radio and it's just the same songs. And it's just the same host doing the same beats all the time. And so I was so excited. Like I was one of the first people, I don't know if I was the first people, but I was on the podcast before people knew that app was on their phone. It was like, when it first came on, I was like, what is this? And you're right. That's when I started reading again as an adult because I had read so much for school, I didn't have time to read outside of the classroom. And so when I started listening to like, Tim Ferriss, they were saying the favorite books to gift out and I was like, what are these books and so I bought them and they're, you know, some of them are simple as like the Four Agreements, which I live my life by, like changed my life. So I really do love that journey and how you got there. Okay. So you then turned into helping book, I just don't know how you went from software company to okay, now I'm gonna help people who write books, get their books out there.

Nick Hutchison 7:31  

I'll break it down for you. And by the way, Tim Ferriss was one of my first podcast inspirations, and I consume a lot of his content. He's totally changed my life. And then the Four Agreements, Don Miguel Ruiz, another amazing book. So we have a lot of things similar there. Okay, so I go through this internship. And I realized that I love the world of selling, I continue with this internship and continue reading books throughout my senior year, I graduate and they offer me a full-time position. So I take this full-time job and I start reading books on sales and marketing and negotiation and persuasion and effective communication, I apply them to my role, and I start experiencing a lot of financial success as a result of it. And I'm just shocked that no matter how much I talk about these books, my friends and family and co-workers want nothing to do with it, right a bunch of, you know, early 20s, sort of like jock types that are like I don't want to read. So I start posting on social media, the books that I'm reading, because I wanted to connect with like minded people and see what else was out there. And my current friend group was having nothing about it. So I start posting the books I'm reading on social media, again, really with no expectation for growing an audience or anything but just to see if anybody else has similar interests. This was before Bookstagram, before Book Talk, this is back in 2016-17. And before you know it, I have an audience and quickly after that, I have authors reaching out to me saying hey Nick, I love your book reviews can I pay you to review my book as well and I'm like 

Lesley Logan 9:03  

That's great.

Nick Hutchison 9:04  

I'm like get paid to read like who wouldn't want to do that? So I built BookThinkers brick by brick, stone by stone whatever you want to say as a side hustle for a couple of years after that, trying different ways to help authors promote, market their books before I went full time with it, but that was sort of like the transition point.

Lesley Logan 9:21  

I think this is really cool. I love it because first of all, you are proof that niching down is like the best thing to do because your whole gram was just about books.

Nick Hutchison 9:30  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 9:31  

And I also, what I really love is like you didn't have it all figured out first and then you did it like you just kind of did the thing and let it evolve to what it is and I find a lot of people that we work with that we coach they're like wanting to develop all the parts they have. They want all the pictures. They want the product, and the course and then the how they're going to do their thing and it's like yeah, but you've put haven't put it out there yet. You don't know what the feedback is going to be. You don't know you're gonna like it. And so I love that you just kind of did it for fun and then allowed yourself up to see what it can become. That's really cool. 

Nick Hutchison 10:02  

Yeah, can I tell you a story about a big mistake I made not playing it that way in the beginning. So early in this process, I recognize that people in the industry that read a lot of books, they have a hard time retaining and implementing what they read. And so one of my first ideas for monetizing my passion of books was to build a mobile application. They'll get to help readers retain and implement more from books. You can log your biggest takeaways, you would get put into this reiteration system. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. And I got together with a couple of my friends, we pulled together some money, right? Tens of thousands of dollars, we spent hundreds of hours of our time outsourcing and building the development of this app. And it totally flopped. Like, nobody wanted it. And that's because we did what you just highlighted not to do, we assumed that everybody wanted the same thing that we wanted in our brains, we didn't test, we didn't collect feedback, we didn't put out an MVP and iterate. We just built a finished product. And it had no product market fit whatsoever. And so I was like, super defeated by that for a little while. You know, thankfully, I was connected to a purpose, which I think is important. But yeah, I made a lot of mistakes. I think that we're expensive, both in terms of money and time to learn that lesson of don't assume what your audience wants, collect feedback and grow more organically and it's more sustainable that way too.

Lesley Logan 11:24  

Oh, my God, we did that. We did that in 2016. I became known because of my business skills as a Pilates instructor. I became a Pilates instructor in 2008, when everyone's canceling their cable, and people are paying me for private Pilates sessions. And so I got hired to teach all these workshops. And I found people wanted coaching calls. And I was like, okay, what if I create like this coaching website that would help all these Pilates instructors and be a nominal fee, it'd be $50 a month, and they could come and they could learn and all these things. And so Brad built this insane website that like some stuff was in the front. But then some was like, behind a paywall, like on the New York Times, just like that, and I put it out there, and I promoted it, and no one bought it. Zero people bought it, no one and I did it month after month, I was pretending like it was working. And I was like being it until I see it. And no one bought it. And I don't like, embarrassingly only for me, because no one even knew it really existed, shut it all down, redo a whole website, started over, and it was so funny, Nick, because what I ended up doing was like just doing one of the parts of it over and over again every month. And people pay me more for one part than I was charging for the whole thing. And what I learned is you have to get feedback and to see what people think before you do anything. So, been there.

Nick Hutchison 12:43  

So incredibly important, you know, and one of those four agreements, don't take anything personally, you know, another like, don't make assumptions. I think that in business it's important to build with your community and collect feedback. And a lot of authors, by the way, they make that mistake, they just put out a finished product, all of a sudden, they're like, hey, social media following, buy this book. And it's like, no, you should have included your community as you were building it, you should have put up multiple cover iterations and had your audience vote, you should have put out multiple subtitles and had your audience vote, you should have asked them if the information you're writing about is actually what they want to read before just assuming, and writing a book. So again, like this applies not only to business, but books and sort of everything in between. I think

Lesley Logan 13:27  

That's amazing. That's actually really great feedback. I didn't do that with our first flashcard deck. Partly because I was afraid, I'll tell, I'll be really honest, I was afraid people would steal the idea. And I also was a little bit nervous that it wouldn't do well. And so I was trying to put all of it together. So I didn't really like only my members knew what I was creating, but the public didn't know. And I feel like it was successful-ish. I feel like it could have been even more successful had I brought people along the journey. And so when I was doing the second deck, I did bring people on the journey. And it was insane what happened when we launched that. And I'm like, looking back, I'm like, you know, it's really like, James Altucher, that's the podcast host. And he said this and it's perfect that his name came up to my brain right now. Because he said, "Less than 2% of people will ever take action on idea." He's like, here's 17 ideas I have for businesses, I'm gonna tell them on this podcast, because I know less than 2% of you listening will even take action to see if it's a valid business model. So no one's basically, no one's going to steal my idea. And I should have listened to that advice at the time.

Nick Hutchison 14:30  

Yeah, I love James. I've had the chance to interview him and spend some time with him. 

Lesley Logan 14:35  

Stop it. Are you kidding? 

Nick Hutchison 14:36  

Yeah, he's the best. He's the best. We did an episode on my show for his book, Choose Yourself. And in that book, he talks about something related to ideas called Idea Sex, and I love this idea. So he'll just say, take two random words, take Pilates and take Stanley Cups, you know, water bottles, and just write out a bunch of random ideas on how they could work together like should you be creating Pilates-specific Stanley Cup designs or like whatever, you never know what's going to come up from it. But that's how you get novel ideas is you combine two totally unrelated things. And I actually teach people to do this with the books they're reading. So you could take a book on the science of intermittent fasting and you could take a book on leadership, and you could just merge them together. And now you have intermittent delegation or something where you only delegate tasks once per week instead of throughout the work day. And then boom, now you have something that's super cool and new and efficient. But you never would have had it unless you merged them together. So shout out James Altucher for inspiring both of us in a big way. 

Lesley Logan 15:39  

Oh my gosh. And also like, if I, he would be a dream guest, just he has no idea. He has no idea, like the fangirl that I was. But he was like with me at 5 a.m. every morning, I would listen to his podcast when I would go on a run. He was like, because you guys, so I tell the audience this all the time. If you can't afford to invest in coaching. You can't afford to invest in people to help you. You can't afford to have Nick help with your book idea or me to help you with your Pilates. It's like if you're listening to a podcast, and you treat it like you paid for it, he helped me build my business. He has no clue. 

Nick Hutchison 16:11  

I will make that introduction for sure. Consider it done.

Lesley Logan 16:13  

Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, thank you. This is awesome. Okay, so tell me about, tell me about your book like you, so first of all, you're doing BookThinkers before you wrote your book. So I want to know, like kind of why you chose that route versus doing the book first and BookThinkers.

Nick Hutchison 16:30  

You know, I think you can probably resonate with this to some degree. But when you have a large social media audience, sometimes you accidentally become a source of credibility for something that you didn't intend on originally, right? So I'm reading these books, I'm applying the information, I'm sharing my thoughts on social media, authors start reaching out and saying, hey, I'd love you for you to post about my book and I build the business side of that, right? I've got 10 people on my team working with a couple hundred authors a year now. Amazing. But along the way, that social media audience continue to grow. And that's full of readers, right? Not authors. And so people start asking me all sorts of questions. I received some variation of the following questions hundreds and hundreds of times. Hey, Nick, how do I choose the right book to solve my problem? How do I take effective notes while I'm reading? How do I retain more I feel like the books go in one ear and out the other? How do I take more action? Like, I read the books, but my behavior doesn't change? I'm trying to overcome the resistance, but I'm not moving. What do I do? And so I wish there was a book I could have just recommended for everybody that would solve this problem. But nobody had written a book about implementing personal development material. And I knew I had the answers. So I just started to feel the questions and answer them, and then collect those answers and start to build out a book, essentially. And it was a lot more difficult than I thought it was going to be. It took me a couple of years to put it together. Because I first had to observe my own behavior, like what the heck does Nick Hutchison do to implement these books so effectively? I mean, I have used these books in my 20s, I just turned 30, to become healthy, wealthy, and happy. And I'm like, I know everybody else can, too, because these books are condensing decades of somebody else's greatest life lessons and lived experience into days of reading. Like, it's the greatest shortcut ever. But people aren't using them the right way. We're not taught how to retain and implement from books. So I started to build the book. And every single time one of those questions came in and encouraged me to continue to take action, because I'm like, there is a very clear need for this information out there in the world. So in November, it launched and I've been so thrilled with the feedback. But that's how I decided to go from like helping authors promote and market their books, to deciding to write one myself. And of course, I got to test all of my own services, which was cool.

Lesley Logan 18:58  

This is really cool. I want to highlight for everyone we take for granted what comes easy to us, like you had an there was an ease of which you were implementing what you're learning, that's possibly because like you had a boss tell you like use your time to read and then you are taking what you're reading and implement it in your work. And so like it just became a thing. But we tend to think everyone does it like that. Everyone retains everything that they're reading because that's what I'm doing. And oftentimes, it's not the case and what you're the most expert in is the thing that comes easy to you. But it seems so silly because it comes easy to you. You know, I think that that's just something I always have to take away. It's like, oh, this comes really easy but it's probably not easy for other people.

Nick Hutchison 19:34  

Yeah, I remember this, this period early into, so I was a recent college graduate, I was flying all around the U.S. with a sales team making presentations and going on-site to visit customers. It was a B2B software sale, kind of pretty complex, lot of variables and stuff, decision makers. And I'm reading books all about how to navigate this more smoothly. And I remember I'm sitting at a bar in Chicago with my same boss, still at the company. And I remember him saying like, how many books are you reading every year right now? And I told him and he's like, and you're taking notes on all of them? I'm like, Yeah. And he's like, and you're then using those notes to implement what you've learned in your role and test it? Like, yeah, and he goes, that is weird man. Who does that? Yyou know, we're sitting there over a couple of drinks. And I'm like, you're the one that got me into the space. And he's like, but I'm not doing all of that. So that's when I first started, think about how abnormal it was. But you're right, it came easy to me. And to sort of tell a little bit more of this story, the software that I was selling, it would go, it would be implemented into a company, like the company that would purchase it over the course of 4, 6, 8, maybe sometimes even as long as 12 weeks. So it take that company a long time to integrate our software. They would have to show up to training calls. They'd have to do their homework. They would have to provide questions. It was pretty intensive. And if the companies didn't go through that process, they would fail. But if they did, the software would help them grow their business. Same thing with the books, it's like, if I put this book through a four, eight, call it maybe even a 12-week implementation process. It's going to help me live a better life. But if I don't, I would argue that the book is closer to a form of entertainment, that it is education if you don't use what you've learned. You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 21:24  

You and I and I know a lot of people who do a lot of self-development. And I'll have a lot of people who sign up for coaching with me or even with Pilates with me. And they think because they signed up then they get the, they get the results from the signing up. It's like, no, you have to do the thing. And like, so one of my coaches was like, information without integration equals constipation, like, if you just keep taking in information, but you don't integrate it, like it's gonna suck. 

Nick Hutchison 21:49  

Yes. I love that line.

Lesley Logan 21:52  

Isn't that great? It's so great. Shout out to Samantha Skelly who I heard it from first. And it's like, I just really love it. Because anytime I'm like, taking things and I feel overwhelmed, it's like, oh, I'm just probably not integrating. It doesn't mean you have to integrate all of that we're gonna have Aaron (inaudible). Sorry, Aaron, I don't know how to say your last name. Anyways, we're gonna have her on, because she has the 50% rule, which is like, like 50% it. So you're not a perfectionist about it. Try to integrate some of it, as opposed to all of it. So I want to go into your book, because you guys, I read a lot. And I don't really unless I share what I just listened to or actually read because I do both audible and physical books. I don't retain it. It's like a podcast that I listened to, you know, on a walk. So but you have a whole thing on how I can learn how to like, learn it, like how to like, effectively take notes and like, retain it. Was that the easiest part of the book to write, the hardest part? Do you find people use it? What's like, what? Because I know book like, I've read Jim Kwik's book, and it's how to read fast, but I don't remember learning how to retain anything. 

Nick Hutchison 22:55  

Yeah, I love Jim too. Funny enough, Jim was the second guest ever on my podcast (inaudible). Yeah, he's an amazing guy. And I went to send Jim a copy of my book. And he's like, oh, I just bought copies for everybody on my team anyway, so you don't need to sell one. I'm like, okay, that sounds super cool. I was like, that's like a hero buying your book, you know? 

Lesley Logan 23:18  

Woah, that's crazy. 

Nick Hutchison 23:21  

Yeah. So you're right. Jim's book, Limitless is is sort of about, you know, it talks about the possibilities of our brain, it talks a little bit about how to read more efficiently. It talks about some brain-boosting foods. But you're right, he's not talking about how to retain and implement more from books. So my book has only been out for a few months. So far, the reviews have been amazing. I've had a lot of people who are like, hey, I finally get it, I finally get how to take more action. So I do know that there are some people out there using these strategies and frameworks to get more from books and live up to their potential. Like, that's my whole message is that life doesn't have to be so hard. You can live an amazing life, a lot of other people have figured it out. You have access to the healthiest people, the wealthiest people, you know, on planet Earth, the happiest people on planet Earth, because they've either written a book or a book has been written by them. So yeah, then there are all the tools and strategies for actually taking that information and integrating it into your life. And they are a little detailed, you know, I tried to simplify them as much as possible. But as you know, from writing a book, like that's a hard process. 

Lesley Logan 24:30  

It's so hard. And then also because I reread my book, because I wrote it, you guys, in 2013. Self-published it. And then like, as known as I thought I was, you know, I wasn't super known enough yet, but it went out there and it was shocking. I would go to conferences and there would be book people selling my book at a Pilates conference. So it was really, really cool. And I was trying to hear from people who'd bought it. And we're coming on the 10th year anniversary and my team was like we want to edit it and rerelease it and I had to sit down and read my book. And you know what? Like, I don't know, maybe you don't know this, but I was like, Oh my God, this stuff is 10 years old, like, How bad is it? Like people are buying it right now? And like, how bad is it you guys, it was fucking great. It was actually really amazing. There was only a couple things. I'm like no one calls it a web page anymore. Let me edit that out. But like, it was actually really brilliant stuff. And I when I wanted to add more stuff, I found myself editing it back out because I'm like, actually, that's succinct, it's enough. And if they need more, there'll be more, but I can't. If I keep adding on, it'll be too overwhelming for the reader who's getting it. And so we'll just have to figure that out for them. But it is hard to be succinct. It's hard to get everything down but have everything be detailed, but not too much. Don't get me wrong, but I also know that like, people listen to podcasts, they love details. And so they love knowing exactly the next step. Okay, so if I go out and I say I did this, like what do I do next, like so it's gonna be I think that for a lot of people, it's exactly what they want. Because I think it's really cool that you even take notes that I don't do, I'm an underliner. And then also you write in the front of your book, like when you started reading the book, that's really cool, because that's also good memory jogger actually.

Nick Hutchison 26:14  

Yeah, and something that you'll get into as you continue with the book, as well is I teach people to set a SMART goal for each book that they read. So smart is a goal-setting framework, a lot of us are familiar with it. S stands for Specific. M stands for measurable. So what's not being measured can't really be managed. So we need to set a goal that's measurable. So we know whether or not the book helps us achieve it right? A stands for attainable. So you need to set a realistic goal. If you try to consume too much in that example, before you get constipated. You don't take any action, you procrastinate. So it needs to be realistic. R stands for relevant. So you need to be emotionally connected to the information. Is the book solving a problem? Is it building a skill? What is the book going to do for you and ask yourself, why are you reading it like really get connected to taking action. And then T stands for time-bound. You want to give yourself a deadline to take action as well, Parkinson's law's the idea that a task will expand to the amount of time that you give it. So if you don't ever set a goal for taking action with a deadline on the book, you probably won't take any action. So when I pick up a brand new book, we'll say Limitless by Jim Kwik, I set a SMART goal, something like find and implement at least one new speed reading strategy by the end of March. That is specific. I know what the goal is, it's measurable. By the end of March did I implement at least one new speed reading tactic? Is it attainable? Yes. I didn't say like 5x my reading speed just implement one new strategy? Is it relevant for me? Of course it is. I read 100 books a year, like any efficiency boost is a positive thing. And then time-bound, by the end of March. And so I'll also write that intention on the inside cover of the book and then review it every time I read another chapter. So that it's almost like I'm sharing my goal with the book so that the book can share only the actions that I should take back with me. And that's one step in my process. But I just wanted to give everybody a little flavor for maybe some strategies, some action,

Lesley Logan 28:16  

I love it. And also, if you just got shocked by the 100 plus books a year, you guys in the first chapter, he actually explains really well, how that is actually very easily possible, even for the busiest person. So I love it because we had a guest on who said 30 minutes of your day is only 2% of your day. That's it. That's just 2%. And so in your equation, it was like 15 minutes. So it's 1% of your day spent reading can produce as over 100 books. It's kind of insane.

Nick Hutchison 28:46  

So that math won't produce 100 books, but it's a starting point. 

Lesley Logan 28:53  

Oh, it produces 20 books. 

Nick Hutchison 28:54  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 28:55  

That's still more than, that's still probably 20 more books than most people are reading. At least 19.

Nick Hutchison 29:00  

It really is. So sometimes I'll meet people that tell me hey, Nick, I'm way too busy to read. Like I understand the value. Thank you for positioning it with all those metaphors. But I'm too busy to read. I've got kids running around, I've got a business to run whatever the excuse is. And I love to say okay, Lesley, if I paid you $10,000 to read a book by the end of next month, do you think you could do it? And you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, of course I could. I'm like good. You've fallen into my trap because it's not a question of whether or not we can read. It's a question of whether or not we value the reading enough to prioritize it. So it's about picking books that solve problems, picking books that build skill sets, because when you have like a specific outcome that you're looking for, you'll prioritize it. And that math that I gave in the book, instead of trying to find time to read just replace a little bit of a low-impact activity like scrolling on social media or watching Netflix with reading a good book and it could be as little as 15 minutes a day, and all of a sudden you're reading a boatload of books every year solving problems, building skills. We tend to overcomplicate things but there's one other thing that I throw in the book, which is an entertainment to education ratio. And most people are going to find when they go through the exercise that for every one hour of education they spend every week they're spending 10 plus hours a week on entertainment. That's not a winning ratio in life. You know what I mean? So we just need to sacrifice a little bit more of that short-term dopamine hit, Netflix or social media, with something a little bit more productive, that serves our future self. And I think books are a great way to make that happen.

Lesley Logan 30:39  

Yeah, you are absolutely correct. It's like pretty much everything that started the businesses that I have and the success I have came from hearing it in a book or the author on a podcast and talking about their book because it's because it's your, you said it already and I want to repeat it, it's like any book that's out there is someone's expertise condensed into a book. So you are actually going, you're jumping through hoops, you're speeding up the time, you don't have to learn all of it on your own. You can learn it from someone else.

Nick Hutchison 31:11  

Yeah, and I had a mentor of mine, tell me recently, he's like a business coach of mine. He said, Nick, I would rather read somebody's book than get a full day coaching session with them. And I was like, why? And he was like, it took somebody years to consolidate that information and simplify it, which we talked about how hard that is, so that it's easily digestible and actionable. It's the best of what they've got. But in a full day coaching session, and there's a lot of value in coaching, obviously. But in a full day coaching session, you're not going to get that three years of effort boiled down to the perfectly digestible action items, like you're gonna get a bunch of random stuff. And I was like, that's an interesting perspective, you know? Like, you really can get access to all of your favorite entrepreneurs and authors and speakers and coaches in their books. Like, it's so cool. 

Lesley Logan 32:02  

Yeah. It's so cool. It's so cool. You're so cool. All right, we're gonna take a brief break. And then we're gonna find out where people can work with you, read your book, all that good stuff. 

Lesley Logan 32:11  

All right, Nick, where can people buy your book? Where can they find BookThinkers? How can I stalk you and learn more from you?

Nick Hutchison 32:17  

Here's my favorite way to end conversations like this, if anybody listened, and they're a reader, and they're like, okay, Nick, you've inspired me to take a little bit more action, but I don't know where to start, then you're going to love what I'm about to say. I love to play book matchmaker, it's my favorite thing to do. And it's totally manual, but I love doing it. So anybody here can direct message me on Instagram, @Bookthinkers, and tell me about a problem that you're facing or a skill that you want to build and I'll provide a custom book recommendation to you. Sometimes it takes me a few days to get back to everybody. But I love to provide custom book recommendations that are aligned with what you need, not what I think you need, you know what I mean? So that's my favorite thing to do. So BookThinkers on Instagram, and from there, there are links to my book and our website. If you're an author, you can check out the different services and set up a call. There are sales team and everything else is over there.

Lesley Logan 33:13  

Amazing. You guys. His book is called Rise of the Reader. So we'll make sure the links are in the show notes and also your Instagram. And I will, don't be surprised if you find me in your DMs (inaudible). Okay, so you've already given us so much and your book has so many amazing action items in it. But for the listener who needs a little like too long, didn't listen, or just one more reminder of a great action step they can take. Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps they can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Nick Hutchison 33:39  

Here's what I recommend, do a little personal audit and find one problem that you deal with on a daily basis that you just can't get rid of. It could be small, it could be big, it could be related to your personal life, your professional life, it doesn't matter. But what problem, what pain do you experience on a daily basis? And by the way, to hammer this point home, if you don't fix it over the next 30 years, so 365 times 30, you'll experience that problem almost 11,000 more times. So here's your chance to do the little personal audit, identify the problem, and then go out there and find a book that can help you solve it, right? Like as human beings, we think that our lives and our problems are unique to us. But they're not. Almost 100 billion people have lived on this planet, many of them have found a solution to the same problem that you're tolerating. And so for $20 and a few hours of your time, you can go find a book, apply that person's solution that may have taken them decades of trial and error to figure out and you can solve your problem and then you'll get addicted to doing that. That's the power of these books. So my action item, to reiterate it is do a little personal audit, find a problem that you're dealing with, go out there and find a good book, read it and solve the problem and see how amazing it feels when you do that.

Lesley Logan 34:56  

I love it. I love it. I'm gonna do that right now. Thank you, Nick, for being so amazing, for giving so much great, awesome advice, you're just a gem. And I'm excited to complete your book because I know it's gonna help me with so much. And Brad, I put here a copy next to his bed so he can also take it in because he is not the ferocious reader that I want to be. But when he does read a book, I can see him implement all those things into how we work. So I'm actually really excited for him to continue to do that. So you're amazing. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? What are your favorite takeaways? Please tag Nick at BookThinkers and the Be It Pod and let us know what your takeaways were. And then share this with a friend who you've been listening to the daily problem they have and you just want them to fix it.

Nick Hutchison 35:39  

Your life gets better that way too. 

Lesley Logan 35:42  

Yeah, I'm one of those people. I'm like here you should listen to this. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 35:49  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 36:16  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 36:31  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 36:36  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 36:41  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 36:48  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 36:51  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.