Be It Till You See It

Dive into the world of wins with Brad Crowell as he discusses personal and community achievements. From revamping office setups to embracing abundance mindsets, the episode explores the transformative power of intentional changes in both physical spaces and mental attitudes.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The power of intentional changes for a more inviting and productive workspace.
• Strategies for signing up new clients that can propel your entrepreneurial journey.
• How abundance mindset can directly contribute to record-setting sales. 

Episode References/Links:

• Mentions, Dana Moyers
• Mentions, Christine Eschen
• Hippie Chic Pilates Studio

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 0:47  

Welcome back, Be It Till You See It. Listen to Brad here today for our FYF, it is Fuck Yeah Friday. Very excited, I love getting to hop in and do these. Super grateful for stepping in and being able to do them. Okay, so as you know, every week, we read some wins from people in our community but before we do that, I'm going to share a win with you for me. Earlier this year, I had the opportunity to have someone poke their head in my office and go, yo, dude, you got this all set up wrong. There's no, you know, like, the way that your space is set up here there's nothing inviting about it. What if you rearrange some things in this manner and switch your desk here, move your chair there, change this here, do this thing. And I immediately got excited about the idea. And I literally started disassembling things while the conversation was still happening. I was like, yes, I agree. Doing it, changing it, making these changes. And I have shifted my view. So I'm now looking at the window. My desk space is much larger. I've given myself an actual desk before it was cluttered with a bunch of junk. And it's just so much more fun to spend time in my office now that I love it. I love it. I love it. I'm so excited. It has become a more inviting space for me. And so anyway, that's my win. I'm so excited about it. I hope you, you know, like I don't know, my space before was just by default, it was just like things were put in there and it was what it was and I was like, okay, I guess this is my space. And having the opportunity to think through how I can make this space work for me has been so lovely. So thanks for listening to that. Let's move on. 

Brad Crowell 2:39  

I have two wins I want to share with you. Dana Moyers, she hit us up and she said she's so excited she has signed up five new clients this week. That is amazing, Dana. She said she had another lady stop by the studio today and she's so excited to have a Pilates studio so close to where she lives. Dana, that's amazing. We're so fired up for you. Great job. You know, obviously, if you're a business owner, you know how big of an impact that would be, five new clients in one week. That's amazing. Really, really, really happy for you, really proud of you. I know you've set up a new space in the last year. And I'm really happy to see it coming together. 

Brad Crowell 3:16  

Also next we have Christine Eschen. Christine said, "Hey everyone, I'm feeling so positive and blessed. Here are my wins. First, I had an amazing group call today. It was an incredible week. Breathwork today with LL before our group call for Agency and I have an abundance mindset. I went to one of my clients' intention-setting events with yoga and a sound bite and I loved it." She said this year she's letting go of things she cannot control. And she wants to manifest abundance. She had record-setting sales week and celebrating Hippie Chic Pilates Studio one year anniversary, also meeting weekly with her eLevate partner, and she's looking forward to an upcoming business retreat here in Vegas. She said, "How does it get any better than that? Happy New Year, everyone." Christine, love it. Thank you so much for sharing these wins. First off, really, really excited that you're embracing an abundance mindset. It is amazing to me how mindset matters. It changes everything. It's changed everything for me, personally, how I feel the amount of stress I'm carrying and it's shifted the performance in our business. It's kind of amazing, you know, in addition to of course strategy but, but really focusing on the abundance, man, it just changes your attitude totally and I love that. Also congratulations on record-setting sales week and a really, it sounds like an amazing event and for upcoming travels. So really fired up for that. 

Brad Crowell 4:51  

Y'all, thank you so much for listening. But before we wrap up the FYFs now we've been starting a new practice of sharing a mantra at the very end here and today's mantra is I am good and I'm getting better. I am good and I'm getting better. So I want you to take that today and I want you to say that to yourself, I am good and I'm getting better. I'm good and I'm getting better. 

Brad Crowell 5:21  

All right. So thank you so much for joining me today for FYF we are so grateful to you for joining us here, for listening and sharing this with your friends for someone who needs a little pick-me-up. Keeping it short and sweet. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.

Lesley Logan 5:38  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 6:05  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @Be It Pod.

Brad Crowell 6:20  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:25  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 6:30  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 6:37  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 6:40  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this insightful episode, hosts Lesley and Brad engage in a meaningful conversation, unpacking the profound wisdom shared by empowerment coach Diana Min. Delving into the transformative power of allowing others to sow into your life, they explore topics ranging from overcoming generational trauma to the challenges associated with reaching new levels. Tune in to discover the value of intentional relationships and seeking support and the power of Ayahuasca in self-discovery. 

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How to face challenges and blockages when reaching new levels.
• How upbringing and generational trauma shape belief systems.
• The transformative power of self-discovery in Ayahuasca experiences.
• The importance of seeking support from those who can contribute to your success.
• The concept of reciprocating and allowing people to sow into your life.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Summer Cap
• March Madness Free Mat Accountability Challenge
• The Barrels Deck
• eLevate Round Four
• Cambodia Retreat

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

I think that life is more fun when you have equals with you going through the journey together. But it's still important to have someone ahead of you who is the plus who can sow into your life and provide guidance. Hopefully, they're not dicks about it because if they are, they're the wrong person for you.

Lesley Logan 0:17  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:58  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the holistic convo I had with Diana Min in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one or listen to this one then listen to that one. Do you know what? You do you. I had someone tell me they were bingeing out they were 70 episodes in to the Be It Pod. And if you're

Brad Crowell 1:18  

Sorry, did you say 70? 

Lesley Logan 1:20  

Yeah, they listened to 70 in a row. 

Brad Crowell 1:22  

Well, they beat me.

Lesley Logan 1:22  

And they are getting so many. So shout out to you for like I'm obsessed with you already. 

Brad Crowell 1:31  

Yeah, welcome to the fam. This is amazing. 

Lesley Logan 1:33  

Yeah, yeah, so anyways, you can do that. And maybe you're doing that. And that's how you're here.

Brad Crowell 1:38  

You could. You could go listen to 70 episodes before you listen to this one, by the way.

Lesley Logan 1:42  

I mean, I talk fast, but I listen to me on 1.5 speed. So, you know. 

Brad Crowell 1:46  

Yeah, binge out. 

Lesley Logan 1:47  

So today is February 22nd 2024. And it's National Margarita Day. It's also like 2-2-2 so that might be your angel number. Shout out Happy Birthday to Cindy. I got a few friends whose babies are due on this day. Like I hope everyone who wanted to get married today was able to make it happen.

Brad Crowell 2:04  

Sorry, what? Who has...? Angels have numbers? 

Lesley Logan 2:07  

Oh, you don't know about angel number?

Brad Crowell 2:09  

Do I get an angel number?

Lesley Logan 2:10  

Yeah, you can just get one. 

Brad Crowell 2:11  

Where do you get it? 

Lesley Logan 2:12  

I'm pretty sure you could just... I don't know. 

Brad Crowell 2:13  

Do you order that? Is it, like, from Michael's? 

Lesley Logan 2:15  

It's from House of Intuition. No, no, it's not like angels but it's like your angel number. So you could be like 3-3-3-7-7-7 You know, like some people. That's why some people price things like 33.33 or like 22 It's all angels. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 2:29  

They're pricing things based on angels. 

Lesley Logan 2:30  

Their angel numbers. Yeah. Which is a whole you know,

Brad Crowell 2:34  

I think that's like a triple woo, right there. 

Lesley Logan 2:36  

That's triple woo. That's triple woo, so but back to it being 2-2-2. Perhaps your angel number or perhaps you celebrate like me. National Margarita Day. So every February 22nd we come together for National Margarita Day to pay homage to our favorite celebratory cocktail, the margarita, which is triple sec, tequila, and lime juice which was created in 1938 in Mexico and it's widely considered the official drink of having fun. And did you know you are going to get a history lesson on margarita today? You did not. But you are getting one right now and here's how I recommend it. I recommend going light on the triple sec. I recommend doing none to be completely honest. And doing a margarita, so it's called skinny style which like, like, I really don't know that I love that word anymore but like it's a margarita that doesn't have the triple sec, and less sugar, add the spice. Truly you cannot and if you want an even easier margarita to make, which I always obsessed with this restaurant in Seoul Korea because they do it the way that I like to do it which is regular kombucha Blanco tequila, or you could do a a Cristalino and a squirt of lime. You will make yourself a kombucha margarita, a kombucha-rita and I love that too. So anyways, that's my recipes for a margarita. So you also didn't ask for but you're getting anyways. Brad's typing, so I'm sure you can all hear that. 

Lesley Logan 3:54  

So what's coming up right now, we are going to do a summer camp for OPC. So my Pilates lovers of all levels, that is going to happen this summer, it's going to be in June, you want to go to opc.me/workshops. We're actually going to have a lot of different teachers doing workshops and work out and you'll be able to buy into each one based on the equipment you have access to which is really, really exciting. So opc.me/workshops. And then also what's coming up even closer is a March Matness and 

Brad Crowell 4:23  

March Matness. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Yeah, so not madness. But I know I'm from Vegas, and you're like, oh, she's betting, you bet I am but

Brad Crowell 4:29  

You bet your sweet mat, I am.

Lesley Logan 4:35  

You bet your sweet mat, I'm betting. I'm gonna bet on the cutest uniforms. So because that typically is how things went, right? So um, so no, March Matness is the nerdy way of doing your mat work. And I always teach with the order. So March Matness is something I'm like, I do this all the time, but I know that you might not and so we're actually doing a free mat accountability challenge in honor of March Matness and you can go to opc.me/challenge to sign yourself up, you can set yourself ahead of time it's free. You'll get accountability emails. Each week, we'll send you a different length of mat class. You can build up your stamina, build up your endurance, and nerd out with us.

Brad Crowell 5:13  

Do it. 

Lesley Logan 5:14  

Do it. 

Brad Crowell 5:14  

Also, it's free.

Lesley Logan 5:16  

Did we say it's free? It's because it's free. 

Lesley Logan 5:19  

It's free. 

Lesley Logan 5:19  

Yeah. And then this says OPC TBD. So that's fun. Oh, here we go.

Brad Crowell 5:25  

Oh no, read the rest of the sentence. To be determined exactly when but the presale for the Barrels Flashcards Deck is coming up. You can get on the waitlist at opc.me/flashcardwaitlist all one word flashcardwaitlist. 

Lesley Logan 5:40  

All one word. 

Brad Crowell 5:41  

Why would one do that, Lesley?

Lesley Logan 5:43  

So if you love the spine corrector or the ladder barrel, you want to nerd out about these things. I'm doing a whole deck with those plus the C shape where the small barrel will be in them. And I promise you on all those. And so we already have I just wrote an email to those who are on the waitlist. You got it already. But we have set the date of the photoshoot which is a humongous outlier in the project, which means we are moving even more forward and closer to presale dates, because the photoshoot was dependent on the photographer, and my schedule and Brad's schedule lining up because guess who's not driving herself to L.A. by herself? That's me.

Brad Crowell 6:19  

I'm happy to drive both of us to L.A. on your behalf.

Lesley Logan 6:23  

Yes, thank you. So it's coming up. Probably going to be in the May-ish. We've we've now bumped April off. It's definitely in the May-ish area maybe June. But anyways, it's coming up and you want to be on the waitlist because if you're not on the waitlist, you will not hear about it because we will not promote it publicly. 

Brad Crowell 6:23  

Yeah, so TLDR those on the waitlist, get the hookup on the presale price.

Lesley Logan 6:46  

And that's the best price will ever be (inaudible) Argentina and Pilates lovers who want a discount on the things because it's not happening. The truth is eLevate round four has kicked off, and it's a great group. They're amazing. They're so amazing. And I have so many people ask about a mentorship program. This is for teachers, and it is quite the investment. So I want you to hear about now because I want you to get on the waitlist now because I want you to be able to save up and be able to sign up. And the truth is we're probably going to start opening up applications earlier because we've so many people who are interested in 2025. I want to make sure that we can hold space for people, create the right groups, and you can save the date and start you know saving up your investment for that. But you so I don't know where you go. But it's lesleylogan.co

Brad Crowell 7:39  

Yeah, if you're interested. Just go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. And if you're like, oh, wait, I missed this. How do I get involved now? Well, just let us know. Just chat to us. We'll figure it out. But basically, we're gonna be booking into next year already. And then I am super fired up. We only have a few spots left. 

Lesley Logan 8:03  

Literally only a few spots left. Literally. 

Brad Crowell 8:06  

In our Cambodia trip this year. It's going to be an epic group. 

Lesley Logan 8:12  

It almost sold out just from the people on the waitlist. 

Brad Crowell 8:14  

Yep. That's true. So that's fucking amazing. We're so excited. We can't even tell you how fired up this week this trip, we're gonna make some really fun changes to some of the activities that we've done in the past. We're introducing some new cool stuff because Lesley and I had just to hang out for like a week, last time and do some extra cool stuff that we haven't done ever. So we thought that was so rad, we decided you know what our next retreat has to incorporate this stuff ourselves. What you know, and you guys get to experience it. So it's going to be super, super fun. This year we're gonna be there October 6th through the 11th 2024. If you are interested go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. All the information is right there and yeah, yeah, all the things so, join us. 

Lesley Logan 9:04  

Okay, that we have a lot going on. Obviously. There's something for you. There's something for you before we talk about Diana is there an audience question?

Brad Crowell 9:11  

Oh, there's sure is, Lesley. This is from Jessica on Instagram. Hey, LL, why did you remove your beautiful, luscious, glorious, gorgeous, lash extensions?

Lesley Logan 9:32  

So I, yes, Jessica sent this in and I had a few people send this in. So clearly, I didn't prepare you all and talk about it enough. Because what has happening is I'm giving mascara reviews lately. That's my new my new obsession is mascara reviews. So the the thing is, I got lash extensions in L.A. and I loved them and the girl who did them was like so good at making them really look great and even when they kind of like thinned out and fell out, they still looked really natural. And I loved it. And then I moved to Vegas. And I tried really hard, I tried several people. And I just felt like every time I saw myself from the side, I could see the lash extensions. And I hated that. I hated how fake it looked. It just didn't make me excited. And then we were doing these traveling trips, like month long. And then it was even harder for me to find anyone to fill in the gaps that were happening because the way they were falling out just wasn't looking natural. And I was just just driving me nuts, couldn't find anyone good enough anywhere. They're all nice and lovely. Just not good enough. And so I got to a point where I was like, fuck it, not doing it anymore. Maybe I'll get my nails done instead. So I also didn't like to drive there. I didn't like the, it took an hour, all the things just like got to a point where I was like, I am going to take $250 a month and give it to myself and go get my nails done. And so the harsh thing was though, you guys, holy frickin moly. I looked like a mole rat. Like I don't even know like a little pink mice. 

Brad Crowell 11:04  

Never, babe, never. 

Lesley Logan 11:05  

No, I literally took them off. And I come out.

Brad Crowell 11:09  

You're too beautiful to ever be considered a mole rat.

Lesley Logan 11:11  

Let me tell you what, Brad, so I walked into my friend's bathroom where I take my lashes off with olive oil myself. And I walk out and Brad goes, whoa, you look really different. And I was like, thank you.

Brad Crowell 11:26  

I thought about saying no one's gonna notice love. Nobody.

Lesley Logan 11:29  

No, all I know is that like, you don't realize how pink or some people are blue, your eyelids are until you don't have lashes to block and cover it. And I had to teach the next day. And of course, the first thing the first person said to me is like, where's your lashes? And I was like, you know, when you're like, no one's gonna notice, no one's going to notice and then the first person says that and you're like, yeah, so everyone can tell that I was looking like a mole rat. So I cried a little bit in the car. 

Brad Crowell 11:58  

A mole rat is not a thing. There's not an animal called a mole rat.

Lesley Logan 12:02  

Well, I couldn't say if I was a mole or a rat. So it's like pink eyelids like a pink lab mouse. Anyways, so then I went to we got to Texas and you guys I was the first appointment on New Year's Day in a Sephora in the suburbs. This poor girl read my thing and said

Brad Crowell 12:20  

Oh, I'm sorry. It is a thing. It's called a naked mole rat. 

Lesley Logan 12:23  

Oh, does that look like me? 

Brad Crowell 12:26  

It's, they can't fucking see. I forgot about them. No, they're like underground animals. And they just, they have the big two front teeth. 

Lesley Logan 12:37  

Yeah, so except for I have a big nose and look at them. No eyelashes. Look at these. No eyelashes. No, they're just nothing but mouth and teeth.

Brad Crowell 12:46  

It's a mouse-size rodent. They're used in biomedical research. And then they. 

Lesley Logan 12:53  

Wonder why? Because they have no eyelashes. They have no eyelashes. So anyways, back to me. So you guys because I went to be it till you see it because I was like I refuse to like, feel ugly. So I went to I went to the Sephora. It was Monday morning on New Year's Day. 10 am. And I said you need to help me with my eyes because I don't feel pretty anymore. And this poor girl was like, holy fuck this is my first appointment for the new year. I was just like someone's going to have to help me I don't look pretty. So she taught me how to make my eyes not look like a mole rat and or a pink lab mouse. And it took over five weeks before I could put mascara on anything. There was nothing but mascara on. I've since tried four mascaras and I'm gonna tell you right now I like the one from ILIA volumizing. But I like the mascara from Hourglass. So here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking I'm gonna try to take the one from ILIA and shove it in the Hourglass. I don't know. I don't know. But I've also at the point that you're hearing this. I have booked another Sephora thing because I'm now at the point where I can learn how to do eyeliner. And what I'm completely became aware of is that I have no idea how to do eyeliner because I haven't had to do eye makeup in seven years, six years. And so like it's not it's not easy and also have one eye that's a different shape than the other and you have to do your eyeliner a different way.

Brad Crowell 14:18  

Just stick with me. I'll teach you.

Lesley Logan 14:19  

So Jessica, I got rid of them because I wasn't liking them. And now here I am spending $250 on Sephora appointments and mascara, trying to figure out how to make myself look pretty again. So thank you.

Brad Crowell 14:35  

Did you know that mole rats have wars? They literally have mole rat wars. That's a whole thing. They usually break out if an intruder is detected in the colony, if another female is challenging the queen or if a colony is in the process of establishing a new queen after the previous one dies, and they are bloody skirmishes or aggressive encounters in the town. 

Lesley Logan 15:00  

Oh my gosh. This one looks scary. Oh, I'm having nightmares. Oh my gosh I'm having nightmares. Well let's go talk about Diana Min.

Brad Crowell 15:14  

Okay, now let's talk about Diana Min. Diana is a dynamic empowerment coach and spiritual mentor, her journey from a troubled past to a spiritual coach is both moving and inspiring with a focus on holistic healing and personal growth. Diana helps individuals navigate their paths to self-discovery, to work through their inner blockages and step into the power and live the life they're destined to live.

Lesley Logan 15:42  

Yeah, and it's really cool, because we get to talk about things I think are really great reminders. And at anytime, like I think this that what she was saying is just like a really good reminder, because she was talking about new levels, new devils. And she also brought up our favorite thing, which is like life happens, or as we like to say, from Tori Gordon life, life. 

Brad Crowell 15:58  

Life, lifes.

Lesley Logan 15:59  

Life, lifes. Need a bumper sticker. Anyways, she brought up like, every time you're trying to expand it to a new level, you're going to hit blockages of either your inner self or your belief systems or those things that you've inherited from your ancestor. 

Brad Crowell 16:12  

Yeah, there's a couple of really interesting points here. One thing that I that I found interesting about this, she said, a lot of the clients that she works with, will come to her and say, I don't even know where I pick this thing up. Right? And she's like, well, you didn't necessarily pick it up. It could have been built in.

Lesley Logan 16:34  

Yeah, no. And also, it's built-in because of like, however your parents were raised, and what they are raised in, those belief systems get poured into you as you're a little baby. And like, you know, like, it just becomes something that's normal for you.

Brad Crowell 16:46  

Or generational traumatic, like trauma, like, you know, like, like, we're watching a really interesting show right now about the survivors from the Holocaust and their kids. You know, and how, it's just fascinating to understand the cultural implications of that. 

Lesley Logan 17:08  

Yeah, no, it's it's really, I mean, it is very interesting. Also, I mean, we could talk about like, even in our own families is how things are not talked about or talked about that is stuff that you carry on. And if you don't, if you're not sure what you don't talk about things in your family, then it makes it really hard to talk about things in your own life. And even though no one told you, you don't talk about pain, you don't talk about pain. So like it becomes the things you pick up. So anyways, she, she, she brought up new level, new devils, and I want to talk about that a little bit. And also like the, as you expand to new levels, you hit a blockage, of course you are, it's the the easiest way to describe this is that if you're going to the gym, and you pick up, you go to the gym for the first time, you cannot pick up like a 20 pound dumbbell to do bicep curls 15 times, it's not gonna happen. So you're gonna have this blockage of I can't pick up that weight, and you work your way down to a weight that you can do. And then you're going to get stronger, and then you're going to be able to take that excess to another level. And then you hit another blockage because you have to build a strength and the coordination and the stamina. The same thing goes with your life. You're, if you are if you're like, okay, I'm this amazing person who loves myself, and I'm gonna go out and put myself out there, guess what, you're gonna hit with rejection that you hadn't hit before. And now you have to learn how to overcome rejection. It doesn't mean you're not worthy of stepping outside of your comfort zone, it just means that we have to be prepared for it and we're gonna learn if you we've always used the eggs, the example of like video games, like you get to a new level and there's a new bad guy and there's a new boss and so so I think it's the more you prepared for that, the easier it is for you to when those things happen come and it doesn't mean you don't have like a divine tantrum. That's what I'm calling that I did yesterday, it's a divine tantrum.

Lesley Logan 17:29  

So glad I was here to experience the divine. 

Lesley Logan 19:03  

But you, but like, you kind of have to get really clear on like, what's frustrating you so that you can take on the next level in your life.

Brad Crowell 19:12  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, what I found really interesting was, about this, too, was one of the, one of the things that she was challenged with was her personal relationship with her ex. She said that she was with someone who was convinced that she basically needed to get on meds. And she was like, no, I have borderline personality disorder, which is a learned behavior. Right? And there are symptoms. I'm familiar with this from my past experiences in you know, with my relationships, but there can be symptoms like that stem from BPD, like depression or whatever, and you can be treating those things with meds. But many times those are symptoms of the BPD. It's not the root, right? And I found it really interesting. She didn't really go into it. But she basically said, yeah, you know, the BPD. And these other things were a response to the traumatic childhood that she had, where she had a, you know, an ego-maniacal mom who treated her like shit and abused her, emotionally abused her, her whole life. Right? And so consequently, she was dealing with all this baggage and it took a really long time to work through. I you know, I find that really encouraging to know that that's possible to come out the other side. She also said something that I found really interesting too, said she's done Ayahuasca 200 plus times. 

Lesley Logan 20:57  

I have, good for her, it's a lot for me, I am afraid to do it one time because the vomiting but I really can't do it.

Brad Crowell 21:04  

Yeah, but I feel like, I feel like 

Lesley Logan 21:08  

I was, I already sound like someone is stabbing me to death when I vomit a little bit.

Brad Crowell 21:17  

I could attest, the dogs were really worried.

Lesley Logan 21:22  

No one would be, like, people be like, can I have my money back because someone got murdered during my Ayahuasca.

Brad Crowell 21:29  

Honestly, I feel like you probably I would guess, and I'm not experienced. And I don't know, I've never actually done Ayahuasca and I've not studied it to know what would happen with 200 times however, my my gut feeling is that the first at the beginning, when you're first getting started doing something like that, you're probably going to have a more visceral reaction than the 200th time. I would imagine. 

Lesley Logan 21:58  

I'm sure that's very true. 

Brad Crowell 21:59  

You can ride the wave, as it were like, you're not, probably, she's not puking her guts out every single time at this point. Because I would also hope that, you know, Ayahuasca really can create an environment in which you can make self-mental discoveries, self-discoveries, and I would hope that the 200th time you're not having like, like earth-shattering foundational change discoveries on time number 200. Because if you are like, there's no hope for anybody. So.

Lesley Logan 22:28  

I know, I know. I know. Well, I if you, if you, listeners, if you have done Ayahuasca more than once, will you let me know what the vomiting, like, how, does it get less? Does it get less? Anyways, our friend Michael, who's been on the show several times, you guys love him. 

Brad Crowell 22:43  

And our friend Steven. 

Lesley Logan 22:44  

And our friend, Steven, Michael did it for the first time and he shared with us his journey. And I'll leave it to his podcast to share all the details. But like, he, I just was like, I don't know. he

Brad Crowell 22:59  

He said, I did that. I'm good.

Lesley Logan 23:04  

Yeah, he he learned a lot. Anyways, let's move. Let's move on. I think that's amazing. But what else did you love?

Brad Crowell 23:09  

I really loved when she started talking about moving forward in your life. And, you know, achieving the next step as it were in the journey. And for her, it was about seeing success begin to come together. And she specifically said, you can't do this stuff alone. Right? You can't do. You can't. Nothing happens alone in this life. Like it is super, super rare that it's one person who's like completely isolated and picks themselves up and changes everything. Like that doesn't really happen. Right? So she said, I certainly didn't do this alone. I needed help. She actually said she also had a therapist. And she didn't feel like she was making the progress that she expected, which is why she started to explore the things such as Ayahuasca, but she also sounded like she still has a therapist today. So she began to, you know, see the value in surrounding yourself with people who can be a sounding board or help you move forward along the path. Right? So people who have built something great, did not do it alone. It's what she mentioned. And she said, the hardest thing is asking for support. But it's key, right? And it'll make you face, she said, it'll make you face your shadows. Right? And I thought that was an interesting way of, you know, kind of characterizing your demons or whatever however you want to describe it. She called it her shadows. And she said that it's important to allow people to sow into your life, that when you give someone, this is, this is twofold in my and Gaia's opinion here. Yeah. It's twofold. You know, you're gonna give somebody power to sow into your life, to hold you accountable to value the opinion that they are sharing with you. But you've got to be intentional about whose opinion carries weight. Because if you let everybody's opinion carry weight, then you're going to create chaos in your in, you know, for yourself in your mind for you know, in your journey, but it's important to allow some people to sow into you. Right?

Brad Crowell 23:10  

Yeah, I mean it's, it's like how the world works. It's like the it's like we were, you know, we work with one of our coaches, we've had Rory on before, like, he's like you give first and then what happens is you get so when you give, you're sowing into someone else's life and reciprocity is real. So like, if you are needing to be getting more of this, who can you go pour into? Because then it's going to come to you. What you need is going to come to you. It doesn't pass you. So I love that.

Brad Crowell 25:50  

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I think I think it's interesting, right? Because there's like, we've talked about this before about, like, leading people, having peers and being led. I don't think that's how we described it before. But, you know, the people who are behind you, the people who are even with you, the people who are ahead of you, you know.

Lesley Logan 26:10  

Plus, minus, equal.

Brad Crowell 26:11  

Plus, minus, equal, there we go. That's what we talked about before. And I think, you know, it's super important to, to have all three of those. You know?

Lesley Logan 26:22  

Oh, essential. If you're the smartest person in your room, you are in the wrong room. 

Brad Crowell 26:26  

Yep. Yeah. But also, you know, I mean, I think that life is more fun when you have equals with you going through the journey together. But it's still important to have someone ahead of you who is the plus, who can sow into your life and provide guidance. Hopefully, they're not dicks about it. Because if they are, they're the wrong person for you, you know, but to have a sounding board. 

Lesley Logan 26:47  

Sometimes, you have to hire those people, guys. 

Brad Crowell 26:48  

Well, yes, actually, she said that the best thing she ever did was hire a coach.

Lesley Logan 26:52  

Yeah, I mean, we hire our pluses. And then there's some people who like, our pluses in our life in some areas, and we're pluses in their life in other areas like that does happen. But like, we just got off a phone call with one of our equals. She texted us. This just happened and we like picked up the phone. Like talked her off the ledge on that thing. Share what we're just going through and we're gonna go wow, okay, we got this. Everyone's got this. Here's what like it's, you gotta have those people. So I love it. 

Brad Crowell 27:19  

Yeah. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Diana Min? She said find someone who is already doing what you're doing or someone who you admire and follow their footsteps. She said most of them started one step at a time, just way long ago. And when you're looking at a big picture, or this massive goal that you've created, it can be really intimidating. But when you break that down, and you're making one step at a time, it allows it to not feel quite as overwhelming. I particularly like the the idea of finding someone who's been where you're at. Honestly, when I was in college, one of my professors, you know, I told him, I said, yeah, I just want to be the world's greatest, undiscovered trombone player, and play in a hole in the wall bar in New York City for the rest of my life. 

Lesley Logan 28:27  

What kind of dream was that? 

Brad Crowell 28:29  

That was my dream. That's literally why I went to Berkeley. 

Lesley Logan 28:31  

You just wanted to be so amazing that no one discover you, you're gonna play in a hole in the wall.

Brad Crowell 28:37  

No, I would play in all the cool places. But I would just play... 

Lesley Logan 28:40  

Like someone's going to discover you? Like, no, no, never.

Brad Crowell 28:43  

I wasn't even trying to be discovered. I just wanted to play and be amazing. And and he said, hey, man, that's really cool but do you know anybody doing that? And I was like, no. He's like, well, I would imagine that they probably want more, the people who are in that position, I would say, why don't you go sit in these clubs and start to get to know some of these people and ask them if they're excited about it. And I thought, that's not a bad idea. So that's what I started doing, you know. And what I found is that most of them had far bigger ambitions than that. They certainly wouldn't want to just, you know, get paid 50 bucks a night to play. They were looking for more and I found that interesting, but I do, now that's my advice to anyone who's like, oh, man, I want to go to med school because I want to be a plastic surgeon. I'm like, hey, before you even go to med school, find a plastic surgeon and say, hey, I am a really excited 18-year-old. I'm shopping for colleges right now. And I think I want to be a plastic surgeon. Could I shadow you in your office for a couple of weeks and just like, see how it works? See what you do?

Lesley Logan 30:06  

Yeah. No, I love that advice. I mean, like, that's the same thing. Like, for example, if I want to be on more podcasts, I think about the person who's not the same as me, but similar, similar type of person. And when I look at what podcasts have they been on, and I can, like follow in that footsteps, right? Like you don't, you don't have to, you're not not there's very few unless you're creating the next level of AI and you are on the cutting edge of technology, which if you are

Brad Crowell 30:39  

Then you're making something that no one's ever done before.

Lesley Logan 30:41  

Like, if you are and you're listening to this podcast, hi, we should, how did you find this? But, from my research of this audience, almost every single one of you has a dream that does, it's in existence right now, which means it's absolutely possible and someone has done what you want to do. And so you can take one footstep and from the other, you can look what they've done and you can almost go okay, here is a path and then also with what my favorite takeaway was. first check with your body, is it a full body yes? So if you are kind of looking for the person that's in front of you, like does that sound like the right because there's probably, if you wanna be an actress, there are 50 amazing actors we could all name right now they all had a different journey all had a different one and you can figure out the full body yeses. And then she's gonna want you, she said, you want to like having like the right spiritual healer, but you can do this with anything. You're a life coach, a therapist, anything. So make sure your body says yes, look at testimonials, and then have a consult with them. Anyone you're going to hire, you should have a consult with them. So you can, there are ways to get out of whatever you're doing and get yourself to the next level with both of these Be It Action Items right here.

Brad Crowell 31:54  

Pretty amazing.

Lesley Logan 31:55  

Way to go. Diana, thank you for making that easy for us. 

Brad Crowell 31:57  

Love it. 

Lesley Logan 31:58  

I love you. Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 32:02  

Well, I love you, too.

Lesley Logan 32:05  

Thanks, Diana for being on the show. All right, you guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life we want to know. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 32:11  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 32:12  

And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 32:14  

Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan 32:45  

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How does spiritual healing truly transform us? Join Lesley Logan as she engages with Diana Min, who shares her journey through the realms of spiritual healing. Diana offers an intimate look into her own transformative experiences, breaking down misconceptions and revealing the profound impact of these practices. This episode provides listeners with a unique insight into how spiritual healing can lead to profound self-renewal and a deeper understanding of one’s potential.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Shamanic healing's impact on overcoming personal trauma.
• Diana’s transformative journey to spiritual coaching success.
• The profound insights and effects from Ayahuasca experiences.
• Identify when to seek a spiritual healer for personal healing and empowerment.
• Uncover the science behind why spiritual healing is not woo. 
• How to choose the right spiritual healer that aligns with your needs.

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I'm Diana Minh, an empowerment coach. I'm a spiritual mentor. I help people overcome their trauma. I help people really work through their inner blockages so that they can step into their power and really live the life that they were destined to live here. A lot of my work really stems from my own journey of healing and everything that I've led myself through. And now I get to support other people on that journey as well.

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Episode Transcript:

Diana Min 0:00  

I used to be such an angry person and so violent and like, I used to think like you said, I'm like, well, this is just who I am. And I remember when I saw that that shamanic healer back then she's like, you're not, you're not a violent person, you're not an angry person, you've had so much pain. And at that time, I didn't correlate that, right? Because I'm like, I'm not in pain. I'm tough. You know, like, I'm from New York. Don't mess with me. You know.

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:07  

All right, love. So we are going to get a little spiritual, little spiritual healing in this week's episode. And I want to do this because I think it can be I think we get really obsessed as a recovering perfectionist and overachievers with like a checklist, check, check, check, check, check. And then we just come across some things we just can't check off. Maybe you're frustrated with yourself, because you've been like doing the work and like you're just still reacting in a way you don't want to react to something. And oftentimes, those things are ingrained. And you didn't even teach yourself that like someone else taught you. And I'm not saying that to get you off the hook. Because you're not off the hook. It's like it's your work to do. But if you've been doing all the things to get to change something you want to change in your life and it's not changing, then doing the same thing over and over again, is just the definition of insanity. 

Lesley Logan 1:52  

So our guest this week is Diana Min and she actually you're I think gonna resonate with her so much you all because she shares her story about how she was raised. The woman she was in New York. What happened in her rock bottom that got her to where she is and then also we get into what she's doing now. And how she made the transition from being like corporate girl to like, I'm a healer now. And let's go and do some ayahuasca and like, what was that like because wow, what a transition that would be. And then we also get into how she manifested the man that she's with. And it's actually a really cool story. So I love stories like this, because especially if you are single, you're like, I can't meet someone like there are so many ways to randomly meet someone. There really, really are. And I cannot wait for you to hear how this happened because it's a sign that it's possible for you never underestimate the power of some weird free app. So. So anyways, thank you so much for being a listener of this podcast, I want to I know I say that at the end of every show. But I really do mean it. I want to just take a moment to say thank you. The show is growing because of you. And when you download the show, it counts people actually count it and it affects it allows us to get sponsors, get new listeners, get things like that. And if you're like I don't want to sponsor Well, it's like, well, these things cost money. And so having other people sponsor the show means we can just bring more great content, bigger guests, better guests, more crazy and amazing information for you. So because of you we are growing and I just want to say thank you because if you ever are doubting like what am I doing on this planet? Well right now, you're supporting an amazing show that's hoping to inspire you, help you be it till you see it and help others do the same. So thank you. And now here is Diana Min. 

Lesley Logan 3:23  

All right, Be It babe, I'm so excited because one of your favorite guests, Kate Hudson referred this amazing guest to us today. She's gorgeous. She's beautiful inside and out. And well, actually, she's going to tell you her whole entire journey. But I really wanted to have her because we haven't had anyone talked about this in a long time. And I the way she brings up what she's so good at is so specific, and you can actually do it and she's living the life that she talks about. So Diana Min, will you tell everyone who you are, and what you're rockin at?

Diana Min 3:51  

Hi, Lesley, thank you so much for having me. So I'm Diana Min, I'm an empowerment coach. I'm a spiritual mentor. I help people overcome their trauma, I help people really work through their inner blockages so that they can step into their power and really live the life that they were destined to live here. And I mean, a lot of my work really stems from my own journey of healing and everything that I've led myself through. And now I get to support other people on that journey as well.

Lesley Logan 4:17  

So let's talk about like how to, because I mean, like, it's not when you go to college spiritual coach is not really something that you get to check. So like, how did you, how did one, how does one become who they're, like, what drove, what drew you in? What was the, what was the, you know, impetus? 

Diana Min 4:32  

Yeah, I mean, it was my own journey of healing, right. So I'm from New York. So I was raised by a bipolar narcissistic mother that I was viciously abused by my whole life. And so I came out with a slew of things to work on. I had borderline personality disorder, PTSD, anxiety, depression, I was an alcoholic and drug addict. I mean, I had OCD. The list goes on. I had all the all the letters and I I really was trying to essentially subconsciously almost kill myself the way I was living my life at the time in New York. I was achieving externally, right, because that's what abused children do. We, we achieve for validation and you know, work to perform for love. And so I was doing that and I felt so empty and miserable and nothing I was doing on an external level, no matter how much money I was making out, no matter much, how much I was climbing my corporate job, and, you know, how many vacations I took, like nothing was filling that void inside of me. And it got to a point where I was like, I kind of want to kill myself, but I feel like I need to ask for help. And so I sought out a shamanic healer myself when I was living in New York, and, you know, I had no idea about the spiritual world at the time I had an inkling right, but I had no idea what it really consisted of until I started working with this woman in Brooklyn, and lots of shamanic healing. If anybody knows, you want me to talk (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 6:02  

I'm gonna tell you right now. Like, I think many people going from like overachiever, overachiever burnout. The next step isn't like shamanic healer, usually, like usually like the next step is like antidepressants, you know, more and more things. So like, yeah, how? How did like, let's talk about the shamanic healer, what they are and like how you got there? 

Diana Min 6:23  

Yeah, it was honestly, so divine alignment, right? Because I had a girlfriend that sent me her healer's number and literally all it said was healer. And there was no name, there was nothing. And I was in the middle of like a like a mental breakdown, right? I just called this number. I'm like crying on the phone. I'm like, I don't know who you are but I need help. And she's like, who are you? You know, and it was just one of those things where it's like I had no idea what she did. But she said she could help me so I want to go see her. 

Diana Min 6:52  

Shamanic healing deals within the this the spirit realm right so a lot of the things that we carry within ourselves, trauma, it is energetic, right? They're not physical wounds we can see anymore but they're emotional wounds, they're deep, mental, psychological wounds and those have a frequency, they have an energy, and they're most likely lodged into our spiritual body or our emotional body. And because these layers are obviously invisible, and not tangible, we, we don't believe that they're there until we really feel what happens when they're lifted from us. Right? And we feel the lightness of ourselves and we feel ourselves starts coming back into life. We start to feel more enjoyment in our lives, more fulfillment in our lives, right? And we just, food tastes better. Everything looks more beautiful, right? That's kind of how it was for me. Like I had no idea what she was doing. There's some rattling, there's some drumming. You know what I mean? I'm laying, I'm laying in her living room, crystals all over me. I take like a three-hour nap. I wake up I don't know what's going on. You know, I, did I really know what was happening? Absolutely not. I just knew I started to feel so much more alive and better and lighter, less heavy, right, less dense. 

Diana Min 7:59  

And so she eventually would lead me into my first Ayahuasca ceremony and that was really what kicked things into high gear for me, I became sober after that first ceremony. So I've now been sober for about eight years. And just immediately, everything started to change in my physical life outside of that, right, because once you start to work with the sacred plant, I believe the great grandmother, she starts to really open up pathways in your life that weren't there before. And so I started to really understand that, you know, all the trauma that I had experienced in my life was given to me as a gift for me to grow stronger and more resilient and to transcend it and become something I didn't know what at the time, right what, but, um, and then I would find myself serendipitously in a second Ayahuasca ceremony, like a month later.

Lesley Logan 8:55  

You did it twice? Because of, once feels like a journey. I've heard the journeys.

Diana Min 9:01  

I've done it at this point over 200 times. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 9:04  

Really? I didn't know. Okay, so okay, I don't want to get sidetracked. So you did it a month later, let's go back into your journey then I want to go into why (inaudible).

Diana Min 9:12  

A month later, I found myself obviously again, coincidentally in a second one in which I was told I was going to move to California. And then I was like, that's a weird thought. And then a week later, I got fired from a job, a week later, my relationship ended in like a firestorm. And I had to move out, find a new place and just everything started to align. I moved to San Diego with four boxes to my name, new identity, newly sober I have no idea what's going on. And just everything was just aligned and clicking and I landed here and I was like, I have no idea what just happened to me. And I just began to follow the path right? Like I've gone to Peru. I've worked with Shamans in the jungle in the Sacred Valley. I continue to follow the work with the medicine for me. That's where the answers really live for me and I continue to do my own work in the spiritual realm as far as like becoming a Reiki Master, become a yoga teacher, right? Like doing, you know, I've done 10 day silent meditations, like, I've continued to explore all the healing modalities in the spiritual realm. Like everything, right? Because for me, it was about healing myself. 

Diana Min 10:14  

Over time, I started organizing, Ayahuasca retreats and ceremonies, you know, all over the place, because I wanted to share this medicine with other people. And then I kind of grew a reputation in that community. And so then people were coming to me asking me for support before their ceremonies after their ceremonies. And so I realized I was being an integration coach. And so then I just continued to really understand, Oh, I've actually done a lot of my own work. And I can support people on their journey now, because, you know, I've walked it. And then I built a multi-six-figure business doing that. And now 

Lesley Logan 10:48  

That's, so that's, so that's crazy. So that's how you got to where you are, because it was like one like little one stepping stone at a time and it sounds like you're like, okay, I'll start and I'll get this training, and I'll get this training. You've been like adding in it. So how long ago did you move to California? How long have you been doing this?

Diana Min 11:03  

I moved to California in 2016. So that, it's like seven years ago, and then I first started working with the medicine in 2015, so.

Lesley Logan 11:10  

Very cool. So okay, so you've done Ayahuasca 200 times, does it have the same effect each time or is it like now that you're cleansed, it's like, you're it's almost like, like an enlightening message, like, you've got to move to California. 

Diana Min 11:28  

Yeah, it's more like an oil change like a tune-up, right? Because life happens, right? And we're continuing, we're continually picking up new things that we might need to release from us, right relationships and or, you know, new levels, new devils is kind of what I call it, right? Every time you're trying to expand into a new level, you're going to hit blockages, either your inner self or your belief systems or things that you've inherited from your ancestors, right? And so you're always going to have to expand into a bigger version of yourself to, to reach those new levels of success of abundance of whatever it is that you're achieving in your life. And so for me, I'm, I'm a self-development junkie, right? It's like, I'm always trying to grow and always trying to be better. And, you know, we're never done learning. We're never done healing. And we're multi-layered beings, right? There's, there was a time, you know, two, three years in on my journey, I was like, I'm probably fully healed, like, I'm probably all done, right? And then like I do an Ayahuasca ceremony like, they peel back this layer, and there's all this, like, you know, like bugs and like little grubbies under there. And you're like, oh, let's look under here. Like yeah, I'm not done at all.

Lesley Logan 12:34  

Like that one closet like Monika had and friends like that one closet that no one into. I love that you brought that up because it's true, like, I think people can listen and go, oh, my God, she's like, a spiritual healer, she's got it all figured out. And it's like, ish, we all do. And then there's always like, and there is another level and you're having to strengthen the skill sets you have gotten already. And in doing that, it always will bring up a little bit of something else that like, you know, just like (inaudible) it's, it's a, it's like going to the gym, like, you can bicep curl 15 pounds, it's gonna be hard, and then it's gonna be easy. And then when you go to hit 20, it's gonna go back to being hard. And it's easy. And so you have like, there's a little bit like, when people get upset two steps forward, one step back. It's like, yeah, of course, because you get to go check out the view and go, oh, yeah, glad I left this place.

Diana Min 13:25  

Right, exactly. And I mean, that's what makes life exciting, right? You never get to a place and you're like, this is, this is good enough. And I'm gonna sit here there's always a desiring of more of growth and expansion, right? And that's why we get to continually learn and, and explore it, our inner worlds or outer worlds, and yeah, everything in between. 

Lesley Logan 13:45  

So I want to talk because like, this can all sound really fine and dandy, but like, how does someone know that they should be working with a spiritual healer versus like, therapy or sematics or something like that? Like, what's the what's the bright line? Like you like had this? Like, you know, your rock bottom, your friend's like healer, here you go. Like, here's your next step. How, like when someone listening going, oh, that's actually maybe the next step for me.

Diana Min 14:05  

Yeah. I feel like if you are intuitively called, and hopefully you have some level of relationship with your intuition, right? How does it feel in your body? That's kind of how I like make most of my decisions. Is it a full body yes? Or is it a full body no? Or is it sometimes if you're on the fence, right? For me, that's a no, a full body yes is like, yes, I'm going. Like I can't wait, so excited. Right? And here's the thing. I also have a therapist, but she's also a very spiritual therapist, very, like she's also done Ayahuasca with me. So it's like, we're it depends like what you're looking for. I think you need if you're looking for a healer, a coach, somebody that's working in the spiritual realm, if you understand that traditional therapy has not worked for you, because I was in traditional therapy for a while when I was in New York and on my healing journey, and it just was not hitting the layers that I needed it to hit. 

Diana Min 15:00  

Yeah, it wasn't like breaking down, like the barriers of like what was built up inside it was causing you not to, like make the decisions that you're making that got you where you are. 

Diana Min 15:08  

Right, right. I felt like I was just kind of spinning my wheels and not really getting anywhere and seeing real progress in my life. And so I was like, There's got to be something deeper. And that's what that, you know, caused me to go seek some other alternative support, which, you know, I think everybody should try, right, to see and understand. And then if it doesn't work for you, then it's cool. You learn something, right? 

Lesley Logan 15:30  

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I don't know that this stuff is like woo woo. But it can feel very, like two woos for people like it can be like, they're like willing to have a couple crystals. But then like, you know, it's like, do you, do you think? How would you like describe, would you wish that sort of healing was not a woo woo thing? Would you like it to be considered like more than that? Or you're like, nope, it's 1000% in the woo woo world and that's where we love to hang out? 

Diana Min 15:54  

No, well, if you follow any of my work, a lot of my work is actually regarding like quantum physics. So I talk about energy in the sense of like, in the quantum realm, like, energy, vibration, like that is all quantifiable, right? Like, if you follow Dr. Joe Dispenza, like he's proven it through science, that all of this is real, like, there is nothing woo about it, it's actually backed by science that, like your thoughts are sending out a vibration, which then attracts back a reality of that same resonance. So no, I don't believe it's woo at all, I think that if people dig a little bit deeper, they'll understand that we are vibrational beings, and we're constantly sending out a signal with how we feel and what we're constantly attracting to us, whatever it is, that we're focusing on and a lot of times, subconsciously, we have energies that we've inherited from our birth mother, our parents, our ancestors, right, because if you think about on an on, like, on a biological level, when you're in your mother's womb, you're absorbing all of her DNA, you're absorbing all of her emotions, everything she's ingesting, you know, her her emotional diet, her physical diet, you're taking it all in, and not just from her, but also your father and all of this, the DNA that they've inherited, so you're coming out with, sometimes, I work with a lot of clients, the wounds that they're working through, or the blockages that they're working through or the beliefs that they're working through, they have no idea where they ever picked it up from because they didn't they it was actually they were born with them, that's kind of our job in, in this incarnation, right, is to really work through the entanglement that we have received, and then create, and move beyond what our parents were able to accomplish so that we can then lay a foundation for the next generation to build on top of that. 

Lesley Logan 17:48  

Yeah, I mean, you're totally right, because it's like the book, like What Happened To You. And it's like, very clear, like, you, like how your brain develops is based on like, from the back to the front. And so if your care is inconsistent, the first three months, it's gonna change entirely how you see the world and the energies you put out. And it's, can you recreate the brain? Yeah, you can, if like, if you have people who recognize it, like at an early age, but good luck if your parents were the ones who were inconsistent in your care, and that's time. So like, what I'm hearing you say, like, we, we kind of like, that's just how I am like, I think that's like the worst sentence anyone can ever say. It's like a death sentence to grow with, like, this is just how I am. But actually, like, if you can understand, like, I don't know why I'm doing these things this way. And I don't want to do them that way anymore. You know, having, having the opportunity to work with someone who can help peel back layers that you didn't actually know that you built, because you didn't because someone else did it for you. Like, of course, like it makes a lot of sense to me when you're like, I don't even know what that came from. It's like, well, if you didn't put it there you can't really take it away. You don't really know what it was you don't know where it starts. 

Diana Min 18:56  

Right? Exactly. I used to be such an angry person and so violent and like, I used to think like you said, I'm like, well, this is just who I am. And I remember when I saw that that shamanic healer back then she's like, you're not, you're not a violent person, you're not an angry person, you've had so much pain. And at that time, I didn't correlate that, right? Because I'm like, I'm not in pain. I'm tough. You know, like, I'm from New York. Don't mess with me. You know. And now I'm like, the most sensitive, like loving, compassionate person, but because it wasn't who I was. It was the defenses that I had built up to my environment. It was the trauma that it that was almost glitching out my system, right? And who I am and who I was, was buried underneath that. And so I feel like if you're going to work with a spiritual healer, any type of energetic work or more holistic healing, what it's really doing is peeling back the layers of who you're not so that you can remember the truth of who you are.

Lesley Logan 19:54  

Yeah. So I want to go back to like you transition into this because obviously They like being in the corporate world being a New Yorker, like, go, go go, and then to like, slowly transition to this person who's an empowerment and spiritual healer? How, like, what were the steps that you took to like, feel confident in doing that? Because one of the reasons this show exists is that so many people like this is where I want to go, but this is where I am. And I have to wait to be deemed, you know, like, from someone that I'm there. And I'm like, No, you actually don't need to wait for the there's no one deeming you like, unless you're actually going to see the queen. Like, but she's not around anymore. No one's actually taking a sword and deeming you anything like you actually have to take that for yourself. So like, what was that journey like for you?

Diana Min 20:35  

Oh, it was horrible. It was so hard. I think I cried every step of the way. Because I had this huge fear of being seen this huge fear of being heard, right. Like, I did not believe in my skills, like people would tell me all the time, like, yeah, you should put up videos online and talk about spiritual healing. And I'm like, who's gonna want to listen to me? I don't know anything, right? Like, I was always just like, dimming my light, because I was so scared of being judged and criticized and failing, right? I think the pivotal point for me was hiring support, hiring a coach or mentor, and having them reflect back to me my power, because a lot of times you can't see yourself in that light, when you're stuck in your very limited, you know, perspective of who you are and what you're capable of. Right. And I would always find, like, at the right time by somebody that's just like, calling me forward into my power. And, and kind of holding my hand along the way until I felt strong enough, or I started to get, you know, my legs going where I could do it on my own. And that's really what it is. I feel like, people are scared sometimes to ask for help. And I really don't feel like we can do it alone. I didn't do it alone. I know anybody that's built something great has not done it alone. Right? And so, yeah, asking for support I think is key. Because trying to go at it alone. You're gonna get faced with all of your, you know, all your shadows. And then you're gonna, you're I mean, how it happened to me for a long time, I would just hide back into my little hole. And you know what, not gonna do it. Nevermind. Right? If you have somebody that's holding you accountable. That's like, no, no, no, we're still going. That was just a little hiccup. Let's keep let's keep walking. Right? And not feeling alone on that journey is really powerful.

Lesley Logan 20:35  

Yeah, no, I think that's really good advice. I'm wondering, like, as you're saying all that because my brain was like, well, I wonder how she found the person. So I guess my next question for you is like, how do people find a spiritual leader that's right for them? Because obviously, like, like anything, like a mate, like, this is the person that's peeling back the layers. Like I don't want some weird cult leader, I actually want, I hate to say that, but like, also, like, you know, like, what, what are people Googling, like, what are they, how would they know that this is the right healer for them?

Diana Min 22:58  

Yeah, that would be another thing that I would say check in with your body and look at people's testimonials, you know, have a consultation with them. Look, if they've helped other people that are in similar situations, I say testimonials, testimonials, testimonials, because checking in with their past results and seeing how they led other people through a transformation or through you know, to the, to their next level, and seeing does that resonate with you? Does that feel like, like, I'm aligned with that? Right? Because I definitely hired people where I'm like, never working with that person again, right? And so that's kind of what you kind of go through, right? You're like that, oh, I didn't listen to myself then. And that's the outcome that I got, but a lot of times like it was either a full body yes. Or it was just kind of like because I get people like that in my world all the time. They're like I don't know what you do and I don't know how you do it, but I just feel resonance with you and I just feel like I need to work with you. I'm like, trust that queen let's go You know what I mean? 

Lesley Logan 23:54  

Yeah. Yeah, I think like also I would say like, are the people that you're that are given the testimonials are they like out and about doing like things in the world? Or are they like all stuck in like a commune together that you know, like that's a might be if they're like out doing their goals and their dreams probably a good healer and they're like, living with the person and they're not allowed to leave, that's a sign. And like, you know, I think people might be hearing like, oh, trust my gut, I don't know, like, trust my body. Like one of the things I don't know you might have a tip for this. One of the things that I heard someone say was like, have someone asked you like, very true easy yes, no questions and like just feel what that feels like and then literally have them tell you ask you a question and you lie about it. Or like you know what I mean, like you and you'll feel instantly like your body does when it like it's a no but you've said yes or you know, like so you can really figure out like because that we are like most people walk around very disassociated from their body, their mind and their body are not really there. And so they don't know how to trust that so they can be easily convinced and unsure and like that's just one of the ways that I was able to feel like a I'm having like, I'm having resistance here. And I don't know why. So it's a no right now and I can go explore that later. I don't need to be talked into it at this moment, you know?

Diana Min 25:07  

Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good trick. You're having somebody asks you really fast yes or no questions. Do you want to have a sandwich? No. Do you want to work with a coach? No. Okay.

Lesley Logan 25:17  

Yeah, if you're like one of my listeners, like, I'm so indecisive, and a people pleaser. All right, I'm gonna be really honest, you still know the yes or no, because people pleasing is just like a form of controls. You know, like you do, and you don't outsource that kind of power. But like, there's ways of figuring it out. Okay, so now what are you so excited about? Like, what do you what are you being it till you see it right now? Is there anything that you're you're trying to stretch yourself to do? Is there another evolution you're going through? What's going on right now?

Diana Min 25:43  

Yeah, I mean, constant evolution, always. I am doing a retreat to Peru in June. So this is my first international retreat. And I'm like, super excited. I've been something I've been wanting to do for a long time. And I've been, you know, kind of doing the local thing. And now we're like, all right, we're going to the motherland. So that's pretty awesome. Yeah, I am with I, I be it until I see that my husband, my soulmate, my... 

Lesley Logan 26:14  

What? Are you're getting married? 

Diana Min 26:16  

Well, he's basically the person I have been manifesting for the past 10 years.

Lesley Logan 26:22  

That's crazy. That's amazing. Can you tell everyone how that is. Because we have lots of single listeners. So we want notes.

Diana Min 26:30  

Okay, so I have been writing down this person for so long. And every time I would get into a relationship, I would be like, oh, I miss something, right? Like when you're making a list, right? You're like, oh, I forgot this emotionally aware, right? Like (inaudible) come healed, right? So every time I had a failed relationship, I would refine the list. And would do like add things that I'm like, oh, I forgot to put that in the last one. And so this person found my, my man, found me on an astrology app called The Pattern. 

Lesley Logan 27:03  

It's a dating app for people in astrology or no? it just like you were just on there as a profile? 

Diana Min 27:07  

It's an astrology app that has a dating aspect to it that you have to pay premium for that I did not pay premium for. But I decided to put my profile up there anyway. But because I wasn't going to pay premium, I was never going to see any of the messages, right? So I said, here's my IG since I'm never coming back on this app again. And he I put my profile up there at like 11:30 at night on a lonely Saturday night and he downloaded the app on 11:45 that same night, and he found me on there, swear to God, and we, he found me on IG. He's also walking the medicine path. So he works with, you know, Ayahuasca in like a different capacity with a different group. And we just like, met and realized like, he was manifesting me, I was manifesting him and we showed each other the list. 

Lesley Logan 27:59  

Oh my gosh.

Diana Min 28:00  

And we were just like, perfect. And we've been together ever since. So the stretching of that is like coming into well, eventual motherhood, right? And us really like growing a family together and doing this work together, which is also something I've manifested for a long time was a partner on the spiritual path, right, to do it together. And to like, raise like a conscious family, things like that. So that's on my list. And then I'm writing a book, I've been called to write a book about, you know, my journey with the medicine and all the healing, holistic healing that I've done because, you know, full transparency when I was in New York, I was at a party at the time that wanted me to get on medication. And I was just kind of like, No, I'm going to holistically heal myself. And I got a lot of resistance and people that really doubted my ability to do that. Right? I did that. So I want to actually share my story so people can know that they have options, and they don't need to get on medication. If that's more harmful. 

Lesley Logan 29:00  

We have an amazing guest who I just had on like, at this point where isn't lined up at all, we interviewed him earlier this year. He literally teaches you how to like he can have people write the book based on the stuff you've already written or you can write it yourself. But like he's basically like a book Papa and like helps you like, make yourself a best best seller because he's been one multiple times, like you, everyone, ever, I believe everyone can write a book and should because you have a story to tell people whether it's your poetry or fiction or nonfiction, but like, the whole entire reason that human race exists to this day is because we have the ability to tell a story. So I think it's really cool. I think you should do it. Yeah. 

Diana Min 29:39  

Thank you. I'm working on it. 

Lesley Logan 29:41  

Oh, I love it so much. All right. We're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can work with you, find you, follow you, go to Peru with you. 

Lesley Logan 29:48  

All right. So Diana, where do you like to hang out? Is it still IG? Do we have to go this astrology app to find you?

Diana Min 29:56  

I'm off the astrology. I'm off the dating portion of the astrology app, now. I'm off the market. I'm on Instagram @theurbanindigo. I'm on TikTok @theurbanindigo, I'm on YouTube @theurbanindigo, Facebook. And you can also visit my website, theurbanindigo.com, which is currently getting updated. So new, new stuff coming soon. But yeah, I mean, I mostly share a lot of my stuff on Instagram and TikTok. But you can also join my mailing list to just really get first dibs on things like retreats and new offers that I have.

Lesley Logan 30:31  

I love it. Okay, before I let you go, you enlightened us in so many ways, but bold, executable intrinsic targeted steps people can take to be it until they see it, what do you have for us?

Diana Min 30:40  

Okay, so I would say find somebody that is already doing what you're doing and stalk them. And see if they offer trainings or see who they were trained by, go look into what their journey was and what they did to get to where they are and start to take those similar steps. Because I actually train a lot of coaches and I actually give them the same steps that I took. I said, Go get Reiki-certified, open up your intuition, start to do work that way, right? Try to organize events, if you want to do spiritual events, like I just give them everything that I've done. And I've had a lot of people have a lot of success just from following my footsteps, right? So go find somebody you admire and start to follow in their footsteps because most likely, they started one step at a time. And sometimes when we're looking at a big picture, or like this big goal, it can be very intimidating. So one foot in front of the other, one foot in front of the other, blinders on and just focus on seeing the step you're in. Yeah,

Lesley Logan 31:41  

I couldn't agree more, y'all like, some people are like, you know, how did you do what you did? And like, first of all, a lot of things like I'm doing are not what a normal Pilates teacher has done. But how did I get to be where I was in the Pilates world? Well, I just looked at the people I admired and I was like, well, what did they do before that? Okay, let me look at their bio. Okay, let me go over. That's where we're going. You know, so oh, that's really tangible. You guys are, it's actionable. I hope you try it out. Diana, this has been so fun and so enlightening. And I've been like, I've always wanted to ask somebody these questions. So I'm just so grateful that we got to meet. Everyone how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tag The Urban Indigo, you tag the Be It Pod. You share this with a friend and let us know if you end up using her tips to take it to the next step and being it till you see it. Until next time.

Lesley Logan 31:41  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe, how are you? It's February 16th. That means we've just gotten past that wonderful holiday called Valentine's Day, which you have noticed coming because since February, like since January 1st, it's been, you know, Valentine's Day in every CVS you walk into. Anyways, I am so excited as to where we share your wins, we share one of mine and a little affirmation. And this is just to help you kick off your weekend on a high note, right? Like, really enjoying, like, there's just, there's one of my podcasts I listened to, and they always end with these high notes. And, you know, when it first started, I was like, okay, this is fun hearing different people's wins a little bit. I'm gonna tell you right now, I listen every single week because I love hearing people are celebrating because when you hear other people's wins or things that they're grateful for you get to see all the different wins that are happening in your life, because there are so many that we don't focus on because we're focused on what's not winning right now. 

Lesley Logan 1:38  

Here we go. Let's start with Ainsley. Over the holiday period, every day, I watched an hour or so of Pilates videos from OPC Legacy and Claire Sparrow's course and just really enjoyed them. I didn't take any notes at all, and it helped me so much. I planned nothing and taught intuitively. It flowed and felt really great. I rearranged my studio during the Christmas holiday after it's been time moving in it. And I really enjoyed it. It's the new way it is, it's freshen up my view for my clients too. I made a group call tonight I met up with my new eLevate partner for a catch up which was exciting. I have two new mat work clients, and they started to sign up for 10 weeks, a new duet started. He bought a couple of sessions for a Christmas present and now wants to book over six. Another six. I made time for dog walks and breath work and self-practice and a chat with a friend. I launched my new retreat evening end of January and sold six and have four to sell in two weeks. I trusted the universe that my Sunday evening Pilates and sound bath would be okay. And now I've sold 17 tickets, hoping for a couple more but grateful it covers all the costs and any more is just extra. Feeling so grateful for my home studio and being able to make an income doing something I love. 

Lesley Logan 2:56  

Ainsley, you are just amazing. She's one of our Agency members, and eLevate round four we just started with her. And it's just so beautiful to see someone who's so passionate about what they do, get to have all of these wins when they when, you know, even a few years ago, having all of these wins might not have even been in their radar. So just way to go, way to go, Ainsley. Thank you for sharing all these. And also just thank you for sharing those wins, like taking a dog walk is a win. It really, really is. 

Lesley Logan 3:27  

All right, next, it's my turn. So I am celebrating that we are wrapping up Agency Mini 10 tomorrow. And I'm just celebrating, last week I celebrated with my team, this week I'm celebrating the win, of being able to be so present this week with every single person because eight, this is our tenth time. So we've gotten really good at making sure our schedule is tightened up and we don't have a lot of distractions. So the only things that are on our schedule during the week of Mini, well for my schedule, I'm not talking for Brad, from my schedule is my workouts. So I still kept my yoga class up, I still kept my Pilates up. In fact, I got a couple extra sessions in and recently, my second win, is I've been doing my pole class. And I wanted a hobby as you know, I've been looking for a hobby if you've been listening to this podcast for a long time. And I love the pole class because it's suddenly so outside of like, my realm of comfortability, like, in so many ways, it's not even comfortable to do. And so I was able to focus solely on this one project, be there for all the people who signed up for Agency Mini, support them on their mission and their visions and their values for their business. And also do that without overworking myself, or taking off any of the things that make me feel so present and so energized and ready to take on the day. And so my win is that, really doing that. 

Lesley Logan 4:47  

So y'all, if you've got a big project coming up, make sure you take time to schedule how you want to feel during that week of that project because that is how this whole week came to be. It didn't just come from happenstance. It came from every single time we've run this going, okay, nope, we're not doing that next time. Okay, we're not doing that next time. Okay, now we're at the point where I don't do any of those things at all, none of the nots, and only the thing that is, and the things that really make me feel super, super connected to myself. So I hope that inspires you to say no to some things during those weeks where you need to be focused or those days, boundaries are important. And they're a win, right? We talked about that last week as well. They are a win. 

Lesley Logan 5:26  

So your affirmation for today is I can control how I respond to things that are confronting. I can control how I respond to things that are confronting. So enjoy that because you know what, you can, you can control how you respond to everything if you want. And it's not fun to think about those confronting things. But my goodness, they happen all the time. So you may as well take a moment to remind yourself that you can control how you respond to those confronting things. In the meantime, it's what's your win? I want to know it. Make sure you send it to the Be It Pod. You can also send your questions and we answer those on the recap days. And until next time, be it till you see it. 

Lesley Logan 6:04  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 6:32  

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Brad Crowell 6:46  

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In today's recap episode, dive into the complexities of aligning your real-life personality with your online presence. Discover the power of individuality in social media, the challenges of standing out, and the importance of authenticity. Lesley and Brad will help you learn to embrace your uniqueness and overcome the fear of criticism while being true to yourself.

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

She's arguing for, you know, having and owning your own opinion and that's actually a way to overcome your limiting belief and that's also a little bit scary.

Lesley Logan 0:10  

Oh, yeah. So if you're a tulip, so first of all, everyone's going to try to chop you down. I'm just going to tell you right now.

Brad Crowell 0:14  

Oh, everyone wants to be a tulip or should be a tulip?

Lesley Logan 0:17  

No, no one's

Brad Crowell 0:18  

Tulips, they all grow even, right? 

Lesley Logan 0:19  

Yeah, they grow even. 

Brad Crowell 0:20  

Yeah. Okay. 

Lesley Logan 0:21  

So.

Brad Crowell 0:22  

Fuck those tulips.

Lesley Logan 0:23  

Don't be a fucking tulip. 

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the authentic convo I had with Chelsea Peitz in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back here and join us or listen to this one and then it will probably roll into the next one. So there you go. 

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Yeah, there's an FYF in the middle somewhere, you know, come hang out.

Lesley Logan 1:30  

Something like that. Okay, so today, if you're listening to this on the actual day we drop it, is February 15th 2024. And here we go. We got a few. It's St. Skeletor's Day, which is basically the opposite of Valentine's Day. The day was created in 1998 by British comedian Richard Herring. In his words, St. Skeletor’s Day is “a day for all the lost souls who don’t have anyone to love,” and it is “devoted to the destruction of love.” Wow, Brad.

Brad Crowell 1:59  

It's become a thing. I just thought it was amazing because Masters of the Universe. It's also

Lesley Logan 2:05  

World Cholangiocarcinoma Day, which is a type of cancer that develops in the bile ducts and around the liver, also affects the gallbladder. 

Brad Crowell 2:16  

We have to actually say it right. Cholangiocarcinoma.

Lesley Logan 2:22  

Cholangiocarcinoma. Yeah,

Brad Crowell 2:23  

Yeah, so World Cholangiocarcinoma Day. (inaudible) Cholangiocarcinoma. 

Lesley Logan 2:31  

I'm like it's Chola

Brad Crowell 2:34  

World Cholangiocarcinoma Day. 

Lesley Logan 2:36  

Okay, (inaudible) to all the cholas out there. I'm apologize. I apologize.

Brad Crowell 2:42  

I had never heard of this. And I just thought this was something that we should bring up. It's actually a type of cancer that affects the liver and the bile ducts and the gallbladder. So. 

Lesley Logan 2:53  

I don't even know how to get that checked you guys, but 

Brad Crowell 2:55  

No, it's actually really hard to identify. 

Lesley Logan 2:57  

Okay. Awesome.

Brad Crowell 2:59  

But today's the day to raise awareness about Cholangiocarcinoma. And finally 

Lesley Logan 3:04  

World Hippo Day. 

Brad Crowell 3:06  

It's World Hippo Day, y'all

Lesley Logan 3:07  

Celebrates the extraordinary hippopotamus and encourages people to take action to prevent its extinction. Did you know that before 1909, scientists placed hippos in the same groups as pigs, despite their outward similarities with pigs or wild boars. Hippopotamuses. Why is that the plural? 

Brad Crowell 3:24  

Hippopotamuses. 

Lesley Logan 3:24  

Are closely related to whales, okay, dolphins and porpoises. Hippos are semiaquatic mammals that are native to sub-Saharan Africa. Okay, um, I'm gonna tell you a hippo story. 

Brad Crowell 3:34  

Tell me a hippo story. 

Lesley Logan 3:35  

So my ba, my, my high school, my high school, my college roommate and I, we decided to go down to San Diego and like party like it's 1999. 

Brad Crowell 3:45  

Probably was.

Lesley Logan 3:46  

No. Oh, my God, I'm not that old. So this is like 2005, 2006 We got a hotel room and we like, went out to State Street and got way, way too drunk. And we wasted our hotel room. By the way, we almost made it to Mexico because we missed our exit. So just so you know.

Brad Crowell 4:08  

Don't drink and drive. 

Lesley Logan 4:09  

Clearly. So we got to our hotel room, we woke up and San Diego is a really healthy place. And when you are hung over you want Taco Bell and there's none. So we went to the zoo.

Brad Crowell 4:21  

Really struggling to understand. Okay. Zoo.

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Going to the zoo.

Brad Crowell 4:25  

Okay. It's coming around.

Lesley Logan 4:26  

And we're at the zoo, and we're walking around this beautiful sunshiny day and everything is healthy, which is like the worst. And there is the hippos. And when you go to the hippos in the San Diego Zoo. You can, you go lower, so you're like at the level of the pool. So you could see the hippo swimming. Okay, so the hippo is swimming which, by the way, when a hippo swims, it's like a Volkswagen Bug. With limbs. It's so fucking huge. And it's swimming and swimming. And she swims by the glass and she's like, up against the glass with her body like elephant, elephant-type body swimming, right? And the kids are just screaming which hangover Stephanie and LL are like, what in the frickin' world. Then the hippo puts her butt up on the glass and takes a massive dump. And it's just shit hitting the glass. (inaudible) 

Brad Crowell 5:22  

In front of all the kids.

Lesley Logan 5:23  

And the kids go from like, to just crying-screaming. I laughed so hard. I fucking cried. Cried, cried. I cried. And I looked at that hippo and I was like, I see you. And I, I love it. You cannot tell me that hippo didn't know what she was doing. She know what she was doing.

Brad Crowell 5:46  

I love how Taco Bell made it into that story.

Lesley Logan 5:49  

They don't sponsor this. So. 

Brad Crowell 5:51  

World Hippo Day.

Lesley Logan 5:53  

Everyone. (inaudible) to pronounce.

Brad Crowell 5:55  

Moving, swimming right along. 

Lesley Logan 5:57  

Swimming right along, we have OPC summer camp, you are going to go to opc.me/workshops to make sure you don't miss out on the earlybird on that. And we're going to have tons of workouts, tons of workshops, it's going to be super, super fun. You can also, while the OPC reformer accountability challenge has technically wrapped for those who did it live, you can actually sign up for it anytime at opc.me/challenge That link will actually work also in the future because it will always be there and we'll be adding another challenge in March with the mat. So if you're wanting to know how to make habit stick if you want an accountability around this, go to OPC.me/challenge. 

Here's what's so fun. Okay, so shout out to Alicia Lavender. She posted herself doing her 10-minute reformer at the end of her workday, and we know how much Alicia works and and she like was doing the workout. Anyway, someone else, someone else posted themselves like, like 10 minutes later. And they did the workout. And they literally said I saw Alicia do it. And so I was like, well, I better fucking do it. Because if Alicia did it then I better do it. So shout out to Life and Grip Socks because she was peer pressured into a 10-minute workout. But that's what the, that's what this workout is all about.

Brad Crowell 7:13  

That's what a community is about. Guilting you into movement.

Lesley Logan 7:15  

Peer pressure.

Brad Crowell 7:16  

All right.

Lesley Logan 7:16  

Now, accountability. So opc.me/challenge is gonna give you the accountability and the tips for creating habits that stick and you can apply them to everything else. So then next up is another waitlist, which is for the Barrels Deck and we are really, really excited. It's coming really, really together. I finally got the last barrel. It's hot pink. 

Brad Crowell 7:37  

Oh, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 7:38  

If you're watching on YouTube, that hot pink.

Brad Crowell 7:41  

Oh, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 7:41  

That hot pink. It's so hot pink. It's so hot pink. It's so amazing. Um, so you want to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist that's gonna get you on the waitlist for the next deck, which means you get the best deal. Why? Because you are patient as fuck, because you're gonna wait several months for them to ship but you got the best deal. So that's where you want to go. And then lastly, we closed out the earlybird for the Cambodia retreat. And we are recording this in the past for the future. So we don't actually know how many spots are left as we record this, but you can go to Lesleylogan.co/retreat. Singular. And if there are spots left, it will let you sign up and if there are not spots left 

Brad Crowell 8:21  

Get on the waitlist for the next year.

Lesley Logan 8:23  

Yeah, you know, all of this to say the moral of this story is get on waitlist because you don't miss out on shit. 

Brad Crowell 8:29  

It's how we do it. 

Lesley Logan 8:30  

All right, before we get into the amazing Chelsea Peitz, who I just frickin love, she's adorbs. Do we have an audience question?

Brad Crowell 8:36  

We do. Laurie from YouTube says why do we flex our ankles on the roll-up. It's a lot easier for me to get a stretch in my hamstrings if I point mine while I'm doing the roll-up. So what's up with flexing our ankles y'all? 

Lesley Logan 8:51  

Thank you for your awesome question. The roll-up is not about stretching your hamstrings so flex them because when you flex your ankles, you can dig your heels down and activate those hamstrings and your back muscles so that you can actually roll up without your legs lifted off the ground and you can stretch your entire back body. So little bit of active static stretch on those hamstrings a whole lot of active static stretch on the back, lower back. And that's a goal of the roll up. It's not actually about stretching your hamstrings at all. If you want to do that, that single straight leg stretch, you are welcome. 

Brad Crowell 9:30  

Enjoy. 

Lesley Logan 9:31  

That's what it's for. So um, I am going to go live so you can see a visual about this over on our YouTube channel which is youtube.com/@onlinepilatesclasses 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

Or you can just go to opc.me/yt 

Lesley Logan 9:48  

Oh really? 

Brad Crowell 9:49  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 9:49  

Really use short links. Look at that. That's way better because I don't know why YouTube put an @ symbol It's so fucking weird. If YouTube is listening, I think it's weird. But yeah, we're going to do a live for my visual learners, so you can see what's going on. And also what you should be doing with your hip points so that you actually get that amazing stretch. But if you're doing that for you're switching your hamstrings, go to yoga, there's a whole different pose, and you can stretch the hell out of your hamstrings with that one. So thank you, Lauren, for your question. I hope this answer while, simple, get you thinking. Now, Brad, let's talk about Chelsea.

Brad Crowell 10:22  

Let's talk about Chelsea Peitz. A former real estate agent who was a, who has remarkably transitioned into a renowned keynote speaker, author and educator, Chelsea is an expert in blending social media and marketing with a unique blend of heart and humanity, emphasizing authenticity and creating genuine human connections in a digital world. 

Lesley Logan 10:46  

She makes me so excited about anything with social media, but I just have to say she's also maybe more colorful than me, like, not in language. I mean, in the actual like, you guys, watch her on social media. Her background has more colors than me. her sweater, she has a sweater game that is just like absolutely insane. And all of this goes back to what she's talking about with being authentic because like, I have also followed her and her entire family has matching sweatsuit sets not like matching each other but like the sweatshirt and the sweatpants match. And they all like that's what they wear is like matching sweats set. And I think it's so cute.

Brad Crowell 11:25  

Well, you got yours and I, you got yours from a

Lesley Logan 11:31  

I've a matching sweat set? 

Brad Crowell 11:33  

You were just wearing it today. 

Lesley Logan 11:34  

Oh my Tavi. 

Brad Crowell 11:35  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 11:35  

Oh, fuck you guys. Okay, this, let's just go to taviactive.com and use Lesley. L-E-S-L-E-Y one five. You're not going to regret this sweat suit. My matching sweat suit, fucking awesome, softest shit in the world. It's gonna be my new flying outfit. I'm obsessed, I think of you the other color. 

Brad Crowell 11:54  

Or you could do what Brad did and open a box from 20 years ago, where I have a full Puma velour jumpsuit. Matching top and bottom y'all. 

Lesley Logan 12:07  

Oh, you guys (inaudible) back and then hold on. But did he wear that on Saturday? No. What did he wear? He wore this like polyester blue with like weird, not even herringbone, not gingham, not plaid. I don't even know what you call the print on this thing.

Brad Crowell 12:25  

It's called Epic. That's what it's called.

Lesley Logan 12:27  

It looks like something off of that 70's show. You guys he wore it with burgundy sweatpants. So that 70's show shirt that should have been only worn in a really bad pool outfit like p ool, like going to play pool at a bar with with sweat pants his brother bought them a couple of years ago at Christmas time. And then 

Brad Crowell 12:47  

I found that shirt in the box too. 

Lesley Logan 12:48  

And then he met me out in public. And to make this outfit look a little bit better. He zipped up a hoodie over it. And I was like, you know, I don't match a lot. But I don't. I don't know. (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 13:03  

Slaying. 

Lesley Logan 13:04  

So, okay, let's talk about Chelsea though. 

Brad Crowell 13:05  

Let's talk about Chelsea. 

Lesley Logan 13:07  

I love that. She said her focus on overcoming limiting beliefs and to be and to be completely transparent. That's her focus. And so she struggled with crippling anxiety with OCD her whole life since she was six years old.

Brad Crowell 13:20  

I'm super glad we're talking about this because I was really surprised to hear her mention this and how she turned that into a (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 13:28  

Yeah, she thought being vulnerable in a public space was terrifying. And she had the biggest fear of being trolled. And we talked in person in Nashville and like she totally got trolled. And, and like so her biggest fear. That's why your fears are gonna come true. Her best tip about limiting beliefs and why we have difficulty showing up online as our true selves is our perspective. Oh my God, you guys change your perspective, change your view and like, you can overcome some like you can come overcome your limiting beliefs on those things. It's really kind of amazing. 

Brad Crowell 14:02  

Well, I think it's also the scary thing is that I mean, you mentioned it before, no one wants to be, why does everyone want to be a tulip? You know, like everyone wants to make like keep the same eye like she's arguing for, you know, having and owning your own opinion and that's actually a way to overcome your limiting belief and that's also a little bit scary. 

Lesley Logan 14:25  

Oh, yeah. So if you're a tulip, so first of all, everyone's gonna try to chop you down. I'm just gonna tell you right now. 

Brad Crowell 14:30  

Oh, everyone wants to be a tulip or should be a tulip? 

Lesley Logan 14:33  

No, no one 

Brad Crowell 14:34  

Tulips, they all grow even right? 

Lesley Logan 14:35  

Yeah, they grow even. 

Brad Crowell 14:36  

Yeah. Okay. 

Lesley Logan 14:36  

So. 

Brad Crowell 14:38  

Fuck those tulips. 

Lesley Logan 14:39  

Don't be a fucking tulip. Also they're so hard to keep alive in a vase. So why would you want to be a tulip? But the reality is, is that like, you will not have everyone agree with you always. Period. And there are people out in this world whose entire role in life is to try to chop you down so you're even with everyone else. Because they are hurting. And they can't say what they want to say because maybe they got chopped down, they have a fear of being chopped down. So she is actually saying, be yourself and share perspective. And yeah, some people are not gonna fucking like it. And Jill Coleman, we're gonna have Jill and Danny-J on the show, actually. 

Brad Crowell 15:21  

Oh, we are? 

Lesley Logan 15:22  

Yeah, we are.

Brad Crowell 15:22  

So fun. 

Lesley Logan 15:23  

I'm so excited. But I remember her saying, like, trust yourself enough in your own comments. Like if someone happens to say, like, oh, what about this, which happens to me all the time? And it's like, especially on YouTube, they're like, you should only be breathing like this. And I'm like, that person I didn't even respond to because I'm like, that's not even true. I'm not even going to entertain you. But the truth is, is that like, also trust yourself going? Yeah, you're correct. And I wasn't thinking about that or talking about that when I said this. And that's okay. 

Brad Crowell 15:54  

Yeah. It's different context. Sure.

Lesley Logan 15:56  

There are people who love, love to troll and if they're not trolling, there's also a bunch of people who say some weird stuff somebody is requesting, I wear my blue shiny pants more. So you know, there's just weirdos out there. Let them be weird. Flock and bless, but share your perspective.

Brad Crowell 16:10  

Yeah. Or maybe, maybe they don't like your 1970s polyester shirt that you pulled out of the box from last fall. 

Lesley Logan 16:16  

Baby, I love you. And you never have to wear that again. Just like, I never have to wear my shiny pants for whoever this new person is.

Brad Crowell 16:25  

Well, something that I loved besides my amazing shirt. 

Lesley Logan 16:28  

Yes. Tell me more. 

Brad Crowell 16:30  

That Chelsea actually said is the reason that we're frustrated with our social media results, nine times out of 10, is because there's a mismatch between the human being that you are in real life and the content of your videos. There's a mismatch between who you actually are in real life and the content that you're putting out. She said we've a lot of mindset on social media that's not in the real world. And she talks, she addressed common insecurities that people face. YouTube had a really interesting conversation about the sound of your own voice, like actually the way that your voice sounds to you and then how it sounds on audio. She said she didn't watch her own videos for like, five years or something. 

Lesley Logan 17:16  

I know, isn't that crazy? I forced myself to watch our videos, and I fucking hated every minute of it. It's fine. I don't like the sound of my voice. But I don't know. Did we talk about it in this episode, but there's like some science behind that. 

Brad Crowell 17:28  

Yeah, she did. She said that the way that you hear yourself in your head is not actually the way that other people hear your actual voice, so. 

Lesley Logan 17:35  

Also the way you see yourself online, by the way, I see all the things I'm like, that's wrong, what the fuck are with those clothes. Why? Why are the shorts doing that? No one says those things. 

Brad Crowell 17:44  

Yeah and so ultimately, I mean, it also goes back to kind of what you were talking about you having your own perspective, right? Where the mismatch between your online presence and your real life, she actually said, hey, you know, the best thing you can do is be natural, right? And she said, she actually asked a question. She said, most of your social media frustrations and questions can be answered by this one specific question - what would you do in real life? This is actually your superpower, having your own opinion, being true to yourself, being yourself, answering the way that you would, in a real-life context is going to be that's going to create that authenticity that's coming across in your videos people can hear that feel that. She said, she said, here's a hypothetical scenario, if you were meeting a client, and they asked you a question within your area of expertise, would you hesitate to respond? No, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I know the answer that here is the answer. You know, and you would verbally respond. She said, some people are so afraid of the sound of their own voice, that they'll write something down and give it to somebody else to say, or they aren't going to answer it in the way that they would in real life. So you know, that like, being you is your superpower. 

Lesley Logan 19:02  

Yes. 

Brad Crowell 19:03  

What does, what does, what does Lesley say? You are the only one that can do the things that you do the way that you do it.

Lesley Logan 19:09  

I should say that because you're gonna quote it and have a video about saying it. I'm gonna say it. You are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. You're it. You're the only person. Also my favorite compliment in my entire life was when people met me in Australia, and they said, you know, you're totally the same as you are on social media. I'm like, yeah.

Brad Crowell 19:29  

I just heard it on this tour that we were just just got back from.

Lesley Logan 19:31  

Oh, yeah? 

Brad Crowell 19:32  

Someone else said exactly the same thing. 

Lesley Logan 19:33  

Yeah, I've tried really, really hard. And it's been very challenging. I'll just say, I don't have lash extensions anymore. And I usually go like do a little story every morning. And y'all I do not recognize my own fucking self. And I am doing these like little stories and I'm like, who the fuck is this? I look like Tilda Swinnie like walking down the street. But you know here we go here we are, and it's her name.

Brad Crowell 20:03  

Swinton. Swinnie?

Lesley Logan 20:03  

Tilda Swinton? Tilda Swinnie?

Brad Crowell 20:06  

Tilda Swinton.

Lesley Logan 20:08  

Tilda Swinton. She's beautiful, but I didn't know I look like her until now.

Brad Crowell 20:12  

Well, she also has hair that matches her eyelashes and her eyebrows. 

Lesley Logan 20:16  

Yeah, so I don't do that. My eyebrows don't match my eyelashes. 

Brad Crowell 20:20  

Nor your hair.

Lesley Logan 20:20  

Nor my hair. Shout out to (inaudible) she's like, do your eyelashes like not have any color? I'm like, no, they fucking don't. They do not. I put out lashes. That's why I got lash extensions you guys, that's why I had lash extensions, okay, because they're fucking blonde. And I look like a little bit of a mouse right now. It's fine.

Brad Crowell 20:42  

Babe, you look amazing, babe. You look amazing. 

Lesley Logan 20:44  

Thanks. Everyone says I look younger. So that's nice. Like, no one's saying you look beautiful. They all say you look younger and you look brighter and you, I look more open. But no one has said stunning. I just want to point that out. To all of my lovely friends thank you for your honesty. 

Brad Crowell 21:02  

I've told her that she looks stunning. 

Lesley Logan 21:04  

Yes. The first words out of your mouth were wow, you look so different. 

Brad Crowell 21:11  

That is not what I said. 

Lesley Logan 21:12  

At Sue's finale and Stephen's finale. I will have them. I'm asking them after the show you did I walked out the room. 

Brad Crowell 21:20  

Babe, you look beautiful, babe. You look amazing. 

Lesley Logan 21:21  

Thank you. At any rate, um, I will just say like being yourself is your superpower. Because I am acknowledging that I look like a mole. And I

Brad Crowell 21:31  

I can't, I can't, I can't there's nothing I'm gonna say that's gonna win in this so 

Lesley Logan 21:39  

I, so I do this thing. And you know what people have been going oh my God, I got my lash extensions, too and my lashes are better. And by the way, you look brighter. No one said stunning. But they've said brighter. I thank you all. At any rate, be your fucking self. 

Brad Crowell 21:58  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Chelsea Peitz? She said, hey, you know what, the best thing to do is to reframe how you think about the content that you're putting out there. Reframe it, in the sense that the most important content is actually not traditional content at all. It's not like writing, sending emails, it's none of that. It's your conversations. That's her argument. Right? She advised. She's She told everyone hey, engage directly and personally by commenting on their posts, sending them a DM and actually talking to them saying, hey, just want to let you know that you've really inspired me today. Thank you. Right, so actually using your voice. And she said it actually I didn't know this, but it actually trains your algorithm differently. When you post something, that person that you've been talking to, and supporting, connecting with and encouraging that person is going to see your content. So who knew that when you leave a voicemail, the content that you post might be showing up in that other person's feed. And then the real strategy is talking to people. And it's an old sales strategy from the beginning of time in sales from forever, you just have to smile and like we did last week in the laughing episode. laugh a little bit. tell jokes a little bit. It's a win. 

Lesley Logan 23:23  

Yeah. I also love this action item, you have the permission to do what you need to do. So y'all don't have to fucking post every day. She doesn't even post everyday. She's a social media expert and doesn't post every day. So like, you are allowed to be in a situation that you're in and post what you can. And she said, if you just want to post once a week, that's how you want to do it. That's fine. It's awesome. Make it an awesome one.

Brad Crowell 23:46  

Make it an awesome one.

Lesley Logan 23:46  

So just make one awesome one. I hate, like all the social media experts out there. Like if you want to grow, you're gonna post a reel a day, go live a day, and you got to post this carousel posts like oh my God, I have an actual job to do that actually people pay me to do. I don't have time for this. And you know what?

Brad Crowell 24:06  

Ain't got time for that. 

Lesley Logan 24:07  

I buy into Chelsea and I am winning. And she is fucking awesome. I just want to shout out she's got an incredible course. It's really amazing. No cookie cutter shit. You get to be your authentic self. No like do this or it's not gonna work. Like it's colorful. It's amazing. We did a quick call together and she literally was like, here's what I want you to do, this is what I want to see you do and she's amazing at it. So where is her website, Brad? You're looking it up.

Brad Crowell 24:33  

Yeah, it's chelseapeitz.com C-H-E-L-S-E-A-P-E-I-T-Z.com. So she's got a whole section called resources. Anyway, we'll put the link in the show notes so don't you worry but she's got a free on demand video course your three step guide to Instagram success.

Lesley Logan 24:49  

Yeah. And she's awesome. And she's gonna have a book coming out and we'll definitely make sure you know when that's happening and like I am just

Brad Crowell 24:56  

Oh, is it called What to Post? 

Lesley Logan 24:59  

Her book is not published yet. 

Brad Crowell 25:01  

Okay, she has she has another book called What to Post? 

Lesley Logan 25:03  

Yeah, yeah. So at any rate, go look at that. We'll link that too, get it. 

Brad Crowell 25:08  

Check it out.

Lesley Logan 25:09  

And then follow her and I promise you you will not be disappointed because I just found out about these fucking ice cream things I need to have that 

Brad Crowell 25:18  

Ice cream things, what?

Lesley Logan 25:19  

Yeah, she's got a whole sweet situation that is gluten-dairy free and I am so in on that. I'm so, Chelsea I'm in. Every time I see him. I'm like (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 25:29  

She's gonna leave you a voicemail and your DMs now, Chelsea. 

Lesley Logan 25:32  

Well, she knows that. We do voicemail all the time. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 25:36  

I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 25:36  

Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Show the fuck up as yourself is how you're going to use it. 

Brad Crowell 25:42  

Do it.

Lesley Logan 25:42  

In your own perspective. Don't be a tulip and tag the Be It Pod, tag Chelsea Peitz. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 25:50  

Fuck those tulips.

Lesley Logan 25:54  

The wheels have come off this bus. 

Brad Crowell 25:56  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 25:58  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

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Brad Crowell 26:41  

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Brad Crowell 26:50  

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Lesley Logan 26:57  

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Brad Crowell 27:01  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Chelsea Peitz, a former real estate professional, shares her journey with Lesley to becoming a social media and marketing expert. She discusses the importance of aligning your online persona with your real-life self, focusing on heart and humanity over hacks and hustles. Chelsea opens up about her challenges with OCD and how it shaped her unique approach. Learn valuable insights on genuine content creation and building online connections

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How to merge your real-life persona with your online presence for authentic content creation.
• How Chelsea transformed her neurodivergence from a challenge into a unique strength in her career.
• The power of forming deep, genuine connections through social media platforms.
• Strategies to overcome common fears and insecurities associated with creating online content.
• How meaningful conversations, not just content, can significantly enhance your social media impact.

Episode References/Links:

• Chelsea Peitz Instagram
• Chelsea Peitz Website

Guest Bio:

Chelsea is an esteemed keynote speaker and content coach who leverages the power of human-centered marketing in today's tech-focused world. Drawing from her wealth of knowledge and industry expertise, Chelsea delivers innovative techniques and essential guidance that challenge traditional approaches to social media marketing and social selling. Her presentations inspire audiences to cultivate meaningful relationships, highlighting the profound impact they can have on professional success. Chelsea's impact is felt not only in the real estate industry but also across other sectors, as she coaches and educates tens of thousands of agents and loan officers each year. Professional associations, Fortune 250 corporations, and industry conferences all recognize the immense value she brings. The caliber of Chelsea's work has led to her being sought after by the biggest names in real estate. Multiple times, she has been invited to address their employees and teams, sharing her invaluable insights on personal branding, video optimization, and social media strategies.

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Episode Transcript:

Chelsea Peitz 0:00  

You know, in my opinion, the only original content is three things: the person which is your face and voice; the personality which is the, you know, things that make you you, your flavor, your personal brand, the things that you like; and then last but probably most importantly is your perspective, the point of view, the lived experiences, and that's the part that gets really scary to share.

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:04  

All right, Be It Babe. Okay, this is really going to be a lot of fun. First of all, our guess today is just an epic human being you're going to love getting to know her story, you're also going to immediately start following her. And you're going to just love watching her stories and her life. She's just a colorful human being that just brings like joy to your face. Her name is Chelsea Peitz. And she has a really nonlinear amazing story of what got her to where she is now that you will, when you look her up, you'll see that she does incredible social media content, education and coaching, but in a way that is different than any social media content creating coach I've ever watched. It is so approachable. And I promise you this interview is not about social media, because I know not everyone. I know you're like social media. Look, you I really want you to listen to her journey. Because there are ups and downs. There are these amazing highs. We're like, oh my God, she's made it and then really an equal opposite lows. And I think it's so important that you hear a woman's story about that because it's what you know that when those things have happened to you, or when they happen to you, or if they happen to you and it doesn't reflect poorly on you and those actually can be a launchpad. So I want you to listen to her story at the beginning. And then for those of you who do want to hear how to like not hate your social media so much, there's some really great tips. So, here's Chelsea Peitz, enjoy this conversation and thank you for being a listener of the Be It Pod. I truly appreciate you we could not do this without you. Like seriously, the podcast wouldn't exist if they're like no one's listening. So thank you. Thank you for sharing this to your friend. Thank you for listening. And here is Chelsea Peitz. 

Lesley Logan 2:37  

All right, Be It babe. This is gonna be fun because, one, I am very good friends with this guest I'm so happy that she is in my life. So forgive us if we just go off on some tangents I think you'll actually enjoy because you'll feel like you're like in the room with having a conversation with a great friend. Chelsea Peitz is our guest today Chelsea, will you tell everyone who you are, and what you rock at. 

Chelsea Peitz 2:55  

I know, our faces, like you should see them right now because we are so excited to see each other. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for the invitation. I am Chelsea Peitz and I am a former real estate agent who became a real estate, keynote speaker, author, educator all focused on social media and marketing with heart and humanity not hustler hacks, and how to align the online you with the incredible human you are offline, which is extremely vulnerable, especially when we're creating content about ourselves and putting it on display for the world. So I'm excited to be here today. Thanks for the invitation.

Lesley Logan 3:32  

Oh my gosh, yeah, and it's true. Before I hit record, we already planned our next time we're seeing each other in person. So we got those important things out of the way. Okay, so I have a few questions. One, what you do, what you what you're known for, that's a lot already, like real estate. Being into real estate, that's actually really hard to get really good at that than to be a keynote speaker, and then to also transition that into using helping people with their social media to do those things that you did. Part of me is like, did you ever like we ever like am I sure I'm doing this? Is this the right thing to do? Did you ever feel like, like you're just running to the wall to see what sticks or like did it feel like a natural progression?

Chelsea Peitz 4:08  

Ah, yeah, all of that it was a hot mess dumpster fire. There was no and no idea in my mind ever, that I would be doing what I'm doing today. I had no idea until it really found me that teaching was my passion. And sort of the vulnerability was my uniqueness. And it really started when I was a child. I did not know at the time, I didn't know until I was in my 40s and officially, "diagnosed" that I grew up with a different kind of brain. You might call it neurodivergent. I have obsessive-compulsive disorder. And that was not something that in the 80s at least in my home, was really ever addressed or talked about. So for many, many, many years. I thought there was something wrong with me that it was a negative that it was going to hold me back for my entire life and I had some difficulties sort of processing and learning. And what I realized is that truly became one of my superpowers because I had no idea that because I needed to break things down complex topics in a very specific way, that might have taken me four times longer than anyone else that people might have looked over and thought, what are you doing? What's, what is happening over there? Drawing these things and pulling things apart, because that's how I could process them and understand them. And so I didn't know that that will be helpful to other people, I thought, well, this is the way that I've done it. And it's kind of a strange process, maybe to other people, because it's not linear. And it's kind of all over the place. And I wish I could kind of put it down on paper, but it's just how my, my process works. So what really kind of, I thought was going to be a negative, absolutely kind of turned into a positive for me. And I had no idea that that was going to help so many other people sort of see how that we could take this big complex idea of content creation and copywriting and social media and branding, which like what even is all that and be able to sort of systematize it and also humanize it, too. 

Lesley Logan 6:19  

Yeah. I love that you brought that up. Because I do I think so many people would think, like, they would whisper like, oh, I have OCD or like, you know, it's like this thing that they don't want anyone to know about. But more and more, I've interviewed some people that like one of my guests was Daniella Mestyanek Young and she's like, my neurodivergence, my autism is the reason why you couldn't put me in the cult. She was born into a cult, she joined the military, which was she felt was another cult, and she's like, the reason because my brain works like this, it actually is my superpower. And I think the more people like you, you know, share that, the more we can maybe stop thinking of these things like dyslexia, or a different way of learning as things that are holding you back. And in fact, it's a superpower. And it's probably what's going to help you help so many others. So I think that's really cool. 

Lesley Logan 7:08  

With real estate, and then going into speaking, I guess, like, what was the draw there? Because I'm sure you were probably like, my friends are in real estate, like they just do that, like that's their thing and they do it really, really well. Was there something calling to you? Were you just being pulled? Or did someone asked you to?

Chelsea Peitz 7:26  

Yeah, my story, even into real estate is is kind of an interesting one that I never planned to go into that. I, actually, out of college was working at a local gym and I was a personal trainer. And it just so happened that I ended up sort of being mentored by the owner of this, this facility, and learning sort of the behind-the-scenes of the business and how to expand it. And if you wanted to have multiple locations, and I think I probably had to be, you know, 19 or 20. So I was pretty young and learning all of that. And I ended up going to take on another position that this particular mentor who owned this company had gotten for me, and I ended up meeting my now husband, we've been married almost 20 years. So, 22 years ago and I got a phone call one day and he said, hey, you know what, I have this project I think you'd be perfect for would you be willing to move to another state? And I'm like, of course that sounds exciting, like a big girl job and like running things. And we were taking companies that were going bankrupt and turning them into profitable fitness projects and expanding them. So, you know, they said, well, hey, do you do you have any great people that you can bring along? I'm like, Well, I know this guy who's great at sales, who now is my husband. And I brought a few other people and we went up there we moved out of state to Oregon. And one day, I noticed something was off in the accounting because I was doing the accounting it turns out my mentor who brought us all up there, had embezzled all of the company money, including all of our salaries for the entire year, all of our house payments for the entire year. And I just remember, we opened up our front door and I literally sold everything because I didn't know anyone we didn't have any money. I felt terrible that I had brought these people from another state. And so when we drove home in my Geo Prizm, my Geo Prizm and a 22-hour drive, and I sold everything like I remember I sold my KitchenAid mixer for 50 bucks. That was like the most expensive thing I owned at the time. 

Lesley Logan 9:36  

And people are like listening to your story and they're like looking at their KitchenAid going, oh my God, you slept for $50.

Chelsea Peitz 9:42  

I know. I know. And so we drove back to Arizona and I moved in with my mother-in-law. And we lived in this little house together. And I got my real estate license. I never intended on using it. I thought oh my gosh, what am I going to do? This is such a niche industry that I've been in and what do I do now? So I sort of fell into real estate. And that's, that's how I got into it. And I did it for, you know, as I was 10 years as a full-time realtor, I was licensed for 18. And I've been in that industry overall for 24 years. So I did not intend to ever get into real estate or speaking, or writing, or any of that it just sort of evolved. 

Lesley Logan 10:23  

You know, thank you for sharing that because I think sometimes people are like, in a position in a different place and where they want to be, and they're like, they're, you know, feeling like they should be further along, or they're feeling like, you know, this is like, what this is, my resume doesn't make sense. And really, like, I've just figured out like, no, I don't think anyone's resume makes sense. I think everyone makes it makes sense. But it's a really long time to be in something that you probably that you fell into. Were you were you scared to start speaking or get. And then like, how did that lead into the social media thing? Because I feel like maybe things were overlapping at this point. 

Chelsea Peitz 11:04  

Yeah, so I ended up in 2008, if anybody listening remembers those years, it was an interesting economic, economic situation happening here. And I just remember, I'm a high empath, very sensitive, I actually was gonna become a therapist before I, you know, actually went into all the things that I did. So I kind of jokingly call myself a social media therapist, but I'm highly empathetic, highly sensitive, and I thought, oh, my gosh, it would be poor form if I'm crying, and every session with every one of my clients. I really wanted to be a therapist. So I found myself very upset in that year, because I was going to client's house after client's house, including our own, we lost all of our homes. And people were crying in the kitchen, and they're like, what do I do? I don't know what to do. I'm losing my home, like, can you help me and it was, it was a lot. So I decided that I was gonna take a little break from being a realtor and I became someone that helped realtors with marketing. Now, I didn't know what I was doing. So if this can be a lesson to anyone out there, I'm a big believer, and you don't have to know what you're doing. Like, I always hired people on my team that had the passion, and the desire to learn that you didn't necessarily have experience. And so I had no experience, I had no experience in real estate when I started. I had no experience in marketing when I started. I was committed to figuring things out. And I loved the learning part of it. So as I was learning, I was very frustrated that there wasn't just like, one place that you could go, where people told you everything. And I thought, well, I'm just gonna make that as I go. And so I started helping people learn how to use Snapchat. That was the platform in the old days, in the old days.

Lesley Logan 12:54  

(Inaudible) elder millennial, come around the Snapchat fire children, let me tell you about dial-up. Oh, my gosh, that's amazing.

Chelsea Peitz 13:02  

Yeah. And you know, this, this really strange thing. And wonderful thing happened at the same time is I started getting on this app because I was making my coffee in the morning and I heard you know, Gary Vee talking about Snapchat. And he said something that really stood out to me. And he said, you know, it's, it's not about this disappearing content being nefarious or wired, why are people on it? What do they want to disappear? It's really about attention. And you know, being in the moment with someone I thought, you know, I'm just gonna give this a try. Now, you have to remember back then we didn't have live video, we didn't have Instagram stories. This was the first thing that you opened up. And there was no, there was no feed. There was no people. It was literally like, you had to create something. And it was a camera. And so mainly, you were probably talking to the camera. And then I remember meeting other people because I would search for people in real estate. And I would find people through through this the Snapchat grapevine. And I started talking to these people every day. And I would see them in their sacred spaces, I would see them in their living room, and I would see their families and I would see their pets. And I remember my husband came home one night and I said, oh my gosh, you're never gonna believe what happened to Shannon. And he's like, who's Shannon? I'm like, well, he's my Snapshot friend. He's like, oh, honey, he's like, honey, these aren't real people. You don't know these people. And I said, no, no, no, there's something different about this. And so long story short, we there was 24 of us that ended up meeting and doing a, you know, mastermind together in person, and it was beautiful and wonderful. And I still talk to those people to this day. And that was you know, in 2012 or 2013. And so I went on this journey of really studying brains biology and behavior and how we actually scientifically create screen-to-screen relationships. And let me tell you, that was not a keynote that sold very well until 2020. Okay, now we're gonna have to be on a screen and we're gonna have to how do we be human through a device and oh my gosh, for the rest of our lives, we are going to be connecting to other people in some form or fashion, whether it's a podcast or a Zoom meeting or a FaceTime with a client through technology. And so how do we create those connections? And so yeah, that was, that was sort of, you know, I wanted to learn Snapchat, and one person asked me how to use it. And then it became three and four, and then a 10-person class and a 30-person class, and then it was a 300-room stage. It never and I think that my, my superpower in how I got to those and kept getting asked was because of that special brain where I had a way to break it down, where if you would never use this thing, how you could systematically sort of understand it and try it. And it was okay, if you were afraid it was okay if you didn't want to put your face on, we can still find ways for you to use the tools. And so I think a lot of people were used to hearing oh, you have to do this. You can only be successful if you do it this way. And that way. And you'd have to post this many times. And I was like, well, I'm not doing that. And I'm making it. 

Lesley Logan 15:59  

Yeah, no, I actually really do enjoy your feed because it's like the most approachable social media content coach I've ever met. Okay, there's a few things I want to like, go back to. So one, (inaudible) was also, I was in retail. So that's when I was I became a Pilates instructor, but I was just going to do it as a side hustle. And when everyone's canceling their Alhambra water delivery, they were paying for classes with me because they're just reevaluating how they spent their money, and things like that. So people thought I was crazy to do like that change. And, and I feel like those that time. And then also you brought up 2020, I had been doing business coaching for Pilates instructors since 2010. And I was doing like how to convert first time clients. And like, just like you, it's like people were just like, not like, well, not listening to me. And we had this coaching group that we started in 2018. And it was like just pulling teeth to get people to be in it because they're like, they'll come in for a month and they expect their business to change in a month. And we all know like it doesn't change in a month. Like it's just you're in these things for a while. And they change over time. But in May, I had already started teaching on Skype, y'all. Before Zoom, there was Skype. I've been teaching since like, I don't know, 2017 and we were flying home from Cambodia on March 13th, March 14th from Cambodia. And I was like, first of all, all of my, all of my contracts were being cancelled. And I was like, okay, I owe all this money back. And I have a studio that's closed, before I even get there. And no one knows how to do this. So I taught a workshop on how to teach on Zoom, how to price your sessions. And then and then finally, people paid attention, you know, and then it was this whole thing, because they needed to figure it out. And it was a really big tipping point for like people finally going, oh, I need I need to know how to do my business now. Because I can't just like trust it will be the same all the time. So I find, you guys, the whole point in sharing that story I just got off Chelsea's it's like, sometimes the worst, absolute worst times in our life are really just like setups for like, really cool things. 

Lesley Logan 18:09  

So okay. Social media. Oh, my goodness, we all hate it. And we love it. And we need it. You when I first met you, you said I help people be vulnerable on social media. And I was like, oh, that I really want to know, I mean, I feel like I'm pretty vulnerable already. But like, so many people are scared to do that. And they feel like they have to put up some sort of front. And they're worried what people will say. And so I just was like let's talk about more about why you feel that being vulnerable is so important and then like how to do that in a be it till you see it kind of way. 

Chelsea Peitz 18:40  

Yeah, my my focus is really overcoming limiting beliefs and to be completely transparent, which we have been, I love your podcast, because that's what it's all about. As somebody who struggles with at times, crippling anxiety with OCD, my entire life since I was six years old. The idea of me being vulnerable in a public forum is terrifying. And in fact, my therapist is like, okay, exposure therapy, here's what we'll do today. Because my you know, my biggest fear is a troll, a troll comment. That's so scary, right? And, you know, I deal with a lot of people who are not full-time content creators, nor have a desire to be and I was never taught like copywriting that is not my wheelhouse. So these are all things that I've kind of been learning. So there's a lot of complexity. So first, you have a layer of complexity of how to use the thing, the socials, the platforms, and then how do you make the videos and then you want to add in limiting beliefs on top of that when we're talking about video insecurity. And so just very, very simply, my best tip that I can share about limiting beliefs which is, is why we have difficulty showing up online as our as our true selves, and I'm not talking about, you know, oversharing, or sharing private things, you know, personal versus private, two totally different things. You know, in my opinion, the only original content is three things. The person which is your face and voice, the personality, which is the, you know, things that make you you, your flavor, your personal brand, the things that you like. And then last, but probably most importantly, is your perspective, the point of view, the lived experiences, and that's the part that gets really scary to share. Because we all know that not everybody is going to agree with our perspective, whether it's about the type of style that you teach Pilates, whether it's about whether you think the market is great to buy or sell a house right now, whether you think that less content is actually going to be a better strategy, whatever it is, right? People will not agree with it. And so the limiting beliefs around showing up online and really, that's where we get frustrated, because people are like, I'm doing this thing I'm doing, I've gone to all the conferences, I've taken the classes like it just said to show up consistently, and I'm doing that. Where is all my business? 

Lesley Logan 21:04  

Yeah, yeah, just post every day or that one, one guy who's like you do your reel a day you post two times a day you go live, you do this, and I'm like, I have to eat lunch at some point, like, when is that?

Chelsea Peitz 21:16  

Yeah. And that strategy, that is a strategy that does work. And also, for me, as somebody who is highly anxious and has a lot of contentbstress, is burnout city, I become paralyzed. And so I can't do that. So I will also share some strategies for those who also are feeling content stress as well. But in this particular limiting beliefs, discussion, what I asked myself is one simple question. And then I'll give you a couple of examples for it as well. So the limiting beliefs that we have, first of all, the reason we're frustrated with our social media results, nine times out of 10 is because there's an there's a mismatch between the human being that you are in your content and your videos and the person that you are in the real world and we also have a lot of mindsets around well, this is social media it's not the real world. And it's not, right? It's very different. However, it's not not real life, just because I'm coming through a device, all of us spent years, from 2020 to 2022 and beyond having birthdays and holidays, and happy hours and meetings with human beings through devices like this. And was it as good as being in person? Of course not. However, when I told my parents who I didn't see for two and a half years, I love you guys. I miss you. I can't wait to see you again. Nobody would say that's not real. So it's different, you know, mindsets around it. But a lot of us, when it comes to creating content, specifically videos with us in it, feel this limiting belief of I can't stand how I look, I can't stand my voice. I'm not an expert enough, yet. People have said everything there is to say, who am I to bring something new to the table? What if I don't have any stories to tell? And so my main question, if those are things running through your head, which is very normal, they run through mine. Okay. The question I ask is, what would you do in real life? What would you do in real life? And most of your social media frustrations and questions can be answered by that one question. And so here's the example. Right? The age-old, I can't stand my voice. Let's talk about what would you do in real life? Let's imagine you're meeting a client, you're at the Starbucks or whatever, you're at your local coffee shop, and they ask you a question. And you know the answer to the question, this is your wheelhouse. This is your superpower. But instead of you actually answering the question, you're furiously writing on notebook pad, and you're writing, writing, writing, and you silently slided across the table. And it says, on the note, hey, I have the best answer for this. Here's the thing. I've heard my voice on video, it's cringe. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to write if you don't want, you sound great. So if you don't mind, just go ahead and talking. And I'm gonna go ahead and write it out, we see that these things clearly are illogical and that we would never do them in the real world.

Lesley Logan 24:06  

So much like that's just like, like that, too. Sometimes a little creeper.

Chelsea Peitz 24:12  

You're just like, oh, but now we realize we're like, oh, gosh, we wouldn't do that in real life. And, you know, it's like, you know, a lot of people are posting content that's, that doesn't have them in it. And that is, you know, there's nothing wrong with sales-focused content. But that's like throwing your business cards in someone's face and running away and then getting really mad that they didn't do business with you. And then you know, you're telling your friend, I even gave him the good cards. Oh, the ones that you had professionally designed, yeah, with a logo on it, and they still didn't want to do business with me. What would you do in real life? You'd get to know someone you talk to them, you'd ask them questions. This is the same exact thing. We're just doing it in a different vehicle. So it's not the destination. It's just a vehicle to get to the destination of creating actual real relationships through technology, which I think is great because it's free and it's scale and 24 years ago, I had to have your phone number and call you and oh my gosh, you had to answer for me to actually talk to you. 

Lesley Logan 25:08  

Yes, I know. Like, I think about the people like I think about even when I started teaching Pilates like it was 2008. So Facebook was kind of a thing, but like not where you promote yourself. Like you were just like, it was like, what are you thinking about? Or like, what are you doing? Like, that's what you'd like wrote and it was like going to get Starbucks, like it was just a weird thing that no one how to use. So I think about like, how did I have to get clients, I had to like pound pavement and like, talk to strangers, and like, figure out a way that they wouldn't go she's a stranger talking to me. And it's true, we have this big joke at Profitable Pilates we go when you put like class at 6pm, you're basically trying to get strangers to sleep with you like that is a humongous commitment. Like if you think about in a bar, if you're in a bar, and I was like, look, maybe I'm dating myself, but that's how I found that's how I found dates, go to a bar, the dude who came up and was just like trying to make out with you. You're like, hold on, but the guy from across the bar who like made the eye contact, and then commented on your shirt, and then asked you your name. Like that was the one you wanted. It was because the other one came on too strong. That's what it's like when you're like, come take my class, by my thing you're like, basically like in their face coming on too strong. They just met you try not to sleep with them on the first day.

Chelsea Peitz 26:21  

Oh, that is a great analogy.

Lesley Logan 26:22  

I think business and dating are very similar. So in my my past life, I run a dating blog. And so that's kind of how that my brain works there. Oh, I know, I made dating my job back in 2013, guys. It's kind of how I got into blogging. But anyways, I really like how you said like, think about your social media as like what you would do in real life. So if you don't like your voice, like what would you really do? You guys, if it helps. I don't really like the sound of my voice. But exposure therapy, I have to listen to everybody. I have to watch any YouTube video that we put out. I like I have to like watch my face. I'm like, really what is going on in my eye there like, and let me tell you, none of the trolls have even said what's going on with my eye there. So like, it's really quite funny how we get a little judgmental. People don't hear your voice the same way that you do. 

Chelsea Peitz 27:16  

No, they don't. And I just want to give a little bit of a scientific reason that all of us are kind of going through that. You know, the worst thing is, you know, people say public speaking is like the biggest fear. I honestly think it's watching your own videos back sometimes especially can you imagine if you had to do it in front of people, people that knew you, your friends, oh, that's even like cringier so a lot of us are people that want to be prepared. And we're creating content that positions us as an authority in our field, whatever that may be. 

Chelsea Peitz 27:48  

So naturally, we start to prepare. And we might have a script, we may write out ideas, we may think that we have to appear as a specific persona or version of ourselves to be taken seriously and build that authority. And so what happens, as people who want to be prepared, we do these things. And then what happens is the mismatch on the video, because we are if you're scripting or if you're memorizing, you are thinking about the third bullet point, and your mouth and face are on the first one, and it activates a different part of our brain. That is into memorization and reading versus the actual conversation. And so then what usually happens is we have these warmth cues in our face that are completely dull. And that's not how we're used to talking and seeing ourselves and imagining ourselves talking. And so when we watch that back, we're like, that's me, but it's a misalignment. Also, we're usually not moving our bodies or moving our hands. And one of the funny things I tell people is trying to do a walk in a talk, because it's oddly will distract your mind from every single thing that you're saying and how your voice sounds. 

Chelsea Peitz 28:55  

So I wish I had those tips when I was starting video and back in the old days, because I just had that mindset that if you just keep doing it, you'll sweat your way through it. And friends, I didn't watch a video of mine for five years. I don't recommend that strategy. However, if that is the self awareness that you have, where you will not make another video if you watch it back, then don't watch it back because I knew at that time in my life and that season, I was not going to make another video if I watched it back. Now I do watch my videos back and I feel much more comfortable with it. But I didn't have those. I didn't know the why. Why am I feeling so off when I see myself and by the way, scientifically, the acoustics in your brain are different. So the fact that you hear yourself differently than you think you sound everybody does. It's been scientifically proven and we are typically looking in the mirror when we're getting ready in the morning and often we're singing reverse image and my face is not symmetrical. So it's like this, this incongruence in your brain where you're like, I know that's my face, but it looks a little bit different. You change those warmth cues too and then you have this like double layer. And you don't even realize that's happening. It's subconscious, right? We're just picking up on something is off. And the only thing we can attribute it to is it's us. We're the problem, right? 

Chelsea Peitz 30:21  

So yeah, so there's a you know, a lot of a lot of work also to that goes into gosh, my least favorite words authenticity and value when it comes to social media and content. And they're my least favorite only because they're the most under-explained. It's very hard to be authentic in front of a camera, like, what does that mean? Right? The value. Well of course, we want to provide value, but like, exactly what is value? Can you define that for me? A lot of people are like, oh, you're so comfortable on camera, and I love that it's authentic. And I'm like, yeah, well, it wasn't always and to tell someone, just be yourself on camera is really hard. Because we should be self-aware and know ourselves, but we're really not. And that's sort of the journey of, of self-awareness that I've been going through for years and will continue to go through.

Lesley Logan 31:10  

Yeah, I love that you brought that up. Also the permission to not watch I had to learn how to do iMovie back in it must have been 2013. Maybe it was 2014. Because these girls that I tried to be Pilates instructors were like, you should audition for the next Pilates Anytime instructor and I was like, I What do I have to do? And they're like, we've got a YouTube channel and I was like, so okay, already like now I gotta learn tech. I have to like, and I had to like film it of course this is you guys. People don't believe when Brad and I, we didn't have a tripod for a long time. Tripods were expensive back then you guys, you now, you get like a $12 like thing that will hold your phone, it will last for years, this tripod, the first tripod we bought was over $100. It was so expensive to like, have it do what we need to do. So Brad would have to hold (inaudible). So my girlfriend's like holding my phone really still. We have to wait for the fire trucks to go by. Right. We film the thing I have to now edit, you know, the beginning and the end, I have to upload this whole thing. And I saw myself teach and I, if it hadn't been for those girls, I would never have submitted because they were like, they took the time out of their day to be the body to film it. And I was like, oh my God, who is going to vote for me, you guys. I ended up in the top 10. And yeah, huge like because my peers like the these famous teachers had to like vote me in and then I didn't win. But I had this video out there. When Brad was like, you have to do YouTube. I was like, no, I shouldn't do it. Like my (inaudible) perspective. Like there's people been teaching longer than me who might do this. And he's like, I don't care. You're gonna do it. You guys, I didn't watch any of those videos for years. Brad edited them. They went up and I it took me years before I actually watched one start to finish. You get better when you watch yourself back, I'm just gonna tell you right now you can actually (inaudible) oh, it looks really weird when I do that thing. Okay, I won't do that thing. Like, it doesn't have to be like, you're terrible. But we left all those videos up and people, you know, either they just see that my hair has gotten longer. But I leave them up because I think it's important for people to see like how far I've come not just with technology, which has changed amazingly. But also just you get better the more you do things like that's just how it goes.

Chelsea Peitz 33:18  

Yeah, and that's the human experience. Really, it's it's the person who's watching you now, that went down the rabbit hole because they want to be there inspired by you. And they want to do what you're doing and happen to find videos from 2013. And I would venture to guess that that person isn't like, oh my gosh, look at this back when she was that? It's wow, look at this and how how I could start here and and I could become that. So yeah, I want people to see that because I am a human being who evolves and changes and permission-giving is a big part of my my ethos and my brand. Because I tell people listen, if you don't feel like showing your face right now, okay, listen, maybe you're putting maybe you're taking care of a parent, maybe your parent is leaving their home and you're, you're helping them, you know, figure out their their life. Maybe you just lost your job. And maybe you're just having a mental health challenge right now. And that's okay. You know, there's different seasons of life and business, and you have the permission to do what you need to do to take care of yourself first. And if you're like, I just want to post once a week. And that's just what I want to do. Great. Let's make it an awesome one. Let's let's make that the one thing you want to do if you don't want to show your face and videos. Okay, let's figure out how we can still create relationships that don't require that. So yeah, I'm all about permission. 

Lesley Logan 34:51  

Oh, yeah. I love that. I think that's really I think it's important because you're a human being and like you're gonna have different times in your life and like, yeah, especially if you have a business that requires putting yourself out there, you're gonna have to, you might have to keep doing that even going through things. But you can do that in different ways. It doesn't have to always be the same. I really enjoy, I enjoy that permission. I also really love your outlook on like, on social media, because you're right, you don't, you don't have to do it every day. It's not your job. In fact, it's not even on social media, it's kind of your job, it's not your job. You know, it's not your you do full time you do other things. I want to I want to ask you like what you're super excited about right now what's coming up for you?

Chelsea Peitz 35:36  

Oh, I am super excited that I am doing something that I swore I would never do. And if I'm being really honest, I probably knew that I was kind of lying to myself all these years when I said I wouldn't do another book. And now with our amazing group that we mastermind with, I have decided I'm gonna do a third book. And I'm very, very, very excited about that. And I feel much different about it. I feel like I'm gonna be very calm. I was not calm before, there was one story that people still and I just actually talked about it yesterday on my Instagram stories where I posted a little snippet that I started the third book. And there was somebody that said, and this is an important lesson here within a lesson somebody said, I remember following you on your first book about Snapchat. And that was years, years ago. And so just people you people are connecting while they're consuming, even if they're not in your DMs or your feed every day. And I remember there was one story where I was so stressed, I had never written a book before, I didn't know what I was doing another instance of that. And I printed out a whole book on my printer at home. And I literally had cut each sentence. And I had this long 13-person dining room table. And I had taken the sentences these strips of paper that I had cut, and I was moving them around deciding where I wanted them in different because I just couldn't do it on the on the Word document on the computer. And I remember people saying, are you okay? Is everything okay? (inaudible) We're concerned about you. But there you go. That was my that was the way that my brain was able to do it. But yes. So I'm excited because I am officially going to be creating the third book, and I'm not going to self-publish it. I've self-published the other two. So I'm going to go probably hybrid model but more traditional publishing. And it's, you know, I think I think the title is going to be something like, you know, Build an Un-copy-pastable Brand something along along those lines. So yeah, exciting.

Lesley Logan 37:44  

This is exciting. And I you have to we'll have to have you back on when you get the then you've gone through the journey and the book is gonna come out because I do want people to hear that journey. We've had other authors come on and share the journey of getting the publisher and it's, it's, there's a story in there. And there's so much to go in there. And it helps us all see that it's not just doesn't just go like you write something, you hit print and someone's like, I'm gonna buy it. So I really can't wait to tell that story because it's going to be beautiful. And I can't wait to buy this book when it's out already. Like it's going to be purchased for many people. Chelsea, we're going to take a brief break and then find out where we'll find you, follow you or work with you and your Be It Action Items.

Lesley Logan 38:01  

All right, Chelsea, where do you like to spend your time on the socials where is your website? Where can people, if they want to learn more about social media, work with you?

Chelsea Peitz 38:28  

My favorite social platform that I hang out the most on is Instagram primarily because of Instagram stories. They are my favorite thing in the world. And you will really get to know me and create that I feel like I already know your feeling. So I'd love to hear from you, send me a DM let me know you came from the show. And also my website and Instagram. They're just my name. So my first and last name, it's Chelsea.Peitz. P-E-I-T-Z. And I know you'll put that in the show notes. So definitely send me a message and let me know. I've got a ton of free courses on Instagram, downloads, guides, I really, really give everything away. And my business coach is like, well, at some point, you are gonna have to sell something (inaudible). My book is on there and everything. And yeah, so that's where I hang out the most. But yeah, you can find those resources either on my Instagram profile or on my website. 

Lesley Logan 39:20  

Perfect. Well, I've already started downloading them, you guys so you will be too. Okay, before I let you go, you've already given us so many lessons and tips. But for the too long, didn't read or the you know, just maybe an action item that we didn't touch on today. What are your bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? 

Chelsea Peitz 39:38  

I'm gonna give you my favorite, favorite, favorite social media tip. It's the thing that I start everything with. It'll be the second chapter of my book. And it's about changing your mindset today about the idea of content creation because I know that's the number one challenge. What do I post? I don't create content. How do I do this? I don't want to be creating videos all the time. Okay, so here's my one mindset shift for you to take on today is to reframe how you think about content and to reframe it in the sense that the most important content, the most original content, the most mindshare-building content that you can ever create is actually not traditional content at all. It's your conversations. And we already mentioned this earlier in the in the show, 24 years ago, I had to have your phone number you had to you had to answer I had to mail you something, I had to put postage on something, I had to drive somewhere and meet you. And now we have this beautiful opportunity to connect with other human beings, not sell to them, but literally talk to them, and comment on their posts. And also send them a direct message and say, hey, I just wanted to let you know, you've really inspired me today. Thank you. So we have the ability to create relationships, first and foremost, without ever making a video. And we can do it in 30 seconds a day, in our pajamas, from bed. And here's the one little extra bonus point, right? When you talk to people on the socials, whatever social media platform of your choice, the social media platform wakes up and says, oh, you want to talk to this person more in the future. So what it actually does is it trains your algorithm, and it works harder and smarter for your future content. So that when you do post something, that person that you've been talking to and supporting and connecting with and encouraging, that person is going to see your content. And they're also going to have this really positive them-focused experience because you're just supporting their content. So don't be discouraged that you need to go out and get a videographer and create content and learn all these hooks and those calls to actions. The real strategy is talking to people and it's an old sales strategy from the beginning of sales time. How many people, how many conversations have you had today? And you can do it for free at scale from your bed on social media, right? 

Lesley Logan 42:00  

Brad's gonna love this so much because he has his whole thing on like 200 no's to rejection like him, back in his sales days, he was like he was told like you if you get rejected 200 times you'll be successful. And so he was just like out there to talk to people and he'll go oh, I got rejected. That's he gamified it, that's one, that's two like, oh, that person that rejected me and he had to say oh, like so I do love this. I love it because one it gives you all permission to consume a little bit which might even give you some ideas but also you know, if you're if you're not wanting to create content, create yet, building those relationships is going to make you feel so supported when you do because all those people, you're right, because Chelsea and I talked like, you know, looking into each other's stuff. I see her posts, I'm like, oh, look at this, oh, I needed this today. That's so amazing. So it really does brighten your day and it does change the social experience. I think so. I love that. Chelsea, thank you for your amazingness and being you and sharing your story and being so vulnerable and giving us all permission. It's just really beautiful. I'm so grateful. Y'all how we're going to use these tips in your life. Make sure you tag Chelsea Peitz or DM her. Hey, you can actually do the Be It Action Item with her. You can actually just go have a conversation with her. I think that's actually really great. I want you to do that homework. Tag the Be It Pod. Let us know how you enjoyed this and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 43:16  

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Lesley Logan 43:44  

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Brad Crowell 43:59  

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Lesley Logan 44:04  

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Lesley Logan 44:15  

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Brad Crowell 44:18  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Happy Friday, Be It babe, thank you so much for being back here. Oh my gosh, I'm so grateful for you. Here we are, February 9th, in real time, and these ones can be listened to, you know, in the past in the future, repeated, especially if they're one of your wins. So what I do is I read one of your wins, I share one of mine. And then we have a little affirmation for you to repeat. So you can end the weekend on a high note instead of just like looking forward to Saturday. So here is the deal. Here is one of your wins. We're gonna go with Melissa Nagai, she's an Agency member. She said I take Thursdays off. I have slipped up and taken on teaching a few times in last year and (inaudible) myself every time I do that. I also started having cleaners come and told them, they could come on Thursdays which also limits what I can do on Thursday because I need to be here to deal with the dog when they come. Anyhow, I've rescheduled them all and freed up my Thursdays again. Now I can do what I want or need to do on a Thursday and have some flexibility with my schedule. Boundaries are something I have become so much better at because of Agency. Way to go. Melissa, you are incredible. Boundaries. So important. I was interviewed by Cory Sterling of Conscious Counsel. He said what is one thing that people in this business need to learn so that they can have a thriving business? I said boundaries. So I love it. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

Okay, so Sonia, also an Agency member. And by the way, I'm just doing a lot of agency members, because we're doing Agency Mini coming up. And I just, I love sharing all of the wins because they just have epic ones because it's mostly like, out of 150 members, 140 are women. And it's so important that you hear women in business having wins. So, a Facebook memory popped up today, five years ago since launching my own business. Although I've been teaching for many years for someone else it was, it was the time I finally got the courage to branch out and go for it. I started teaching my own group classes and advertising my one-to-ones, I had no clue that I was going to grow to the business I have today. I am so, so grateful for my clients and family and friends but also for LL, Brad and Agency who gave me the strength and competence and tools to get here. I'm not done yet. Anyone here who is willing to take the leap for but fear is holding you back, I encourage you to go for it. I would never have believed I could be where I am now if I if you told me five years ago, so grateful. Oh my freaking goodness, Sonia, you're just, thank you for sharing that you're celebrating that. And also for reminding people that they can do it, too. And for giving them that permission. That is just so freakin incredible. It's so amazing. We're so happy for you. And I know you've got big changes coming up and we can't wait to support you in those. 

Lesley Logan 3:17  

So here's the deal, guys. It's time for me to share my win. My win this week is my incredible team, holy frickin moly. I mean, you probably think that like when you have a team that like you're scraped from all the time, but I am just absolutely so grateful and they are a win. And that is because it is not easy to take on people on your team. It's not easy to ask for help, and it's not easy to then hire said help. It is not easy to invest in that because it's very scary. It's very scary. To go okay, yeah, you're gonna work with me for ongoing forever, for as long as this works out. But it's a huge win. Because here we are today, February 9th, which is a couple days before agency Mini 10 starts, which, if you're a teacher, a studio owner, Agency Mini 10, you'll want to be part of it. It's our probably the only time we're doing it this year, we haven't decided about the fall. So I couldn't do it without the team the first time we opened Agency, it was just me. And we only had a few members. And then as I got more members, I had to hire people because I couldn't do it all myself. And my win is you know, hiring this amazing team, really believing in myself enough to know that I could have an amazing team and then continuing to invest in them so that our business can grow we can have the impact we want to make. You know I share this with you as a win because you have amazing dreams that you want to have and I promise you that some of those dreams are just gonna require you to ask for some help from people on your team and the Be It Pod's on your team for sure. And if you're a Pilates studio or teacher we can be on your team in a bigger, bigger ways. But my win is just them. They're just freaking awesome. So thank you. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for being part of this Be It Pod. We are so grateful for you. 

Lesley Logan 4:55  

Okay, your affirmation for today is I can be soft in my heart and firm in my boundaries. Yes, you can. You can be soft in your heart and firm in your boundaries. I can be soft in my heart and firm in my boundaries. So remind yourself that when your boundaries feel like they're being crossed, remember the wins our people have shared with you and also go ask for some help. That may be one day you're gonna be celebrating that as your win that you asked for some help. All right loves have an amazing day. Till next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 5:26  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

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Brad Crowell 6:09  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:14  

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Brad Crowell 6:18  

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Lesley Logan 6:25  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 6:28  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

This episode revisits the earnest conversation with the author of Teetering on a Tightrope, Steven Wilson, and his lifelong journey with bipolar disorder. Brad and Lesley explore the critical role of supporters in the lives of those battling mental health issues, emphasizing the delicate balance between caring and enabling. Listen as they share actionable insights for listeners to become more informed and empathetic advocates in their communities.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How laughter can have an impact on our income. 
• The limits of your capacity to help someone with mental health disorder. 
• The significance of seeking professional advice when necessary.
• Advocating for mental health awareness and support in your community.
• Why empathy is crucial for those struggling with mental health issues.

Episode References/Links:

• Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill
• Glossary: Equivalized Income
• Impact of Social Relationships on Income–Laughter Relationships Among Older People
• Agency Mini 10
• OPC Summer Camp
• OPC Reformer Accountability Challenge
• Spy Corrector ControlLogix discount
• The Barrels Deck
• Cambodia Early Bird
• Call Your Congressperson - 202-224-3121
• NAMI (National Alliance for Mental Illness
• Teetering on a Tightrope by Steven Wilson

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

We could start getting some things done if we as a community, who maybe we are suffering ourselves, or maybe we know someone who is suffering, but the only reason the only way that change will happen in the mental health in our country, in our communities is if we become active in voicing our desire for change for the need for support in this area is so important.

Lesley Logan 0:30  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 1:08  

Hey everyone, Brad here today. Today we're gonna talk about depression, suicide and mental health. And if that's triggering for you, feel free to skip this episode. If you or anyone you know is struggling with thoughts of suicide, or are in a mental crisis you can call 988 in the US for the suicide and crisis hotline. And there are there are definitely hotlines in every country around the world I'm sure so take a quick look online. Anyway, onto the episode.

Lesley Logan 1:50  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the earnest convo I had with Steve Wilson in our last episode, if you haven't yet, listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. You might be wondering what the point of this interview is, if you listen to that one, and the whole thing is is like my frickin goodness, we don't talk about mental health enough, enough. And either in your journey, you might personally have some issues with your mental health. Whether it is something that is something that you need to medicate or it's just something of different therapy around or someone in your life is and it can be fucking difficult when someone in your life is going through something you can't fix. And so I really wanted to have this earnest conversation. But before we get into that, today is February 8th 2024. And it's a Laugh and Get Rich Day and you know what? It's a day to laugh and to enjoy the many benefits that laughter brings. The biggest benefit of laughter is it improves our health. Laughing can elevate our mood, lower stress and blood pressure, pressure and strengthen the immune system. Pause. I'm gonna just tell you when I grew up, my parents used to tickle us and go laughter brings healing to the bone. 

Brad Crowell 2:59  

It's the best medicine. 

Lesley Logan 3:00  

Laughter is the best medicine and like we just would laugh, laugh laugh right before bed, which makes zero sense because we couldn't fall asleep afterwards. 

Brad Crowell 3:07  

You get fired up, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 3:07  

But anyway, that's fine. Back to this script of what this day is about. In this way, laughter makes us rich because health is wealth after all. But laughter can also contribute to our financial gains by enriching your professional lives. Those who laugh often tend to be happier. Hello? Happy workers are more productive and are liked by co-workers.

Brad Crowell 3:27  

So okay, so I looked into this because I was like, laugh and get rich Come on, are you for real? 

Lesley Logan 3:33  

That Think and Grow Rich is that but like Laugh and Get Rich by Napoleon Hill.

Brad Crowell 3:38  

I was a bit skeptical to say the least. So can laughter actually have an impact on our income? Turns out there is an NIH or a National Institute of Health study that looked into this exact thing. And the results revealed a significant relationship between equivalent income and the frequency of laughter, social relationships and family structures were also associated with the frequency of laughter. So surprise, laughter can actually have an impact on your income and your relationships with other people. So, how about that?

Lesley Logan 4:11  

(Inaudible) next line? 

Brad Crowell 4:11  

Laugh it up fuzzball.

Lesley Logan 4:14  

That's a Star Wars reference, by the way. Katie Donnelly, got it. And Rachel Piper and maybe if there's other Star Wars people go for it, let me know. All right, let's go. So February 11th, is when we actually start Agency Mini Number 10.

Brad Crowell 4:31  

Number ten. 

Lesley Logan 4:32  

So, that's just in three days you can go to OPC, no, that's not it.

Brad Crowell 4:35  

Nope. You can go to profitablepilates.com/mini 

Lesley Logan 4:39  

Wow, I've never done that profitablepilates (laughs) that's how rich I am, profitablepilates.com/mini. Just sign up because we have yet to pick an Agency Mini Number 11 state and that's not a threat. It's just reality. We are really, really trying to get down to one time a year with this, and we don't know if it's gonna be this year, but it could be. So you want to sign up? Because that's might could be the last time we don't know. 

Brad Crowell 5:07  

Yeah, so we're gonna be helping fitness business owners just like you figure out their messaging, clarify their purpose and how to create a pitch that isn't salesy and feels natural to you, in a week of getting to know Lesley and I and our coaching style, and then afterwards, you can join us in the Agency program. 

Lesley Logan 5:25  

And or just get every question you've ever had answered, like you think you want to start a membership, we'll tell you pros and cons. And we'll tell you if you're ready. And if you are ready, we'll tell you how to keep going. And if you're not, we'll tell you how to get ready. Like, we're not we're not here to shoot anyone's dreams down. We're here to actually make it possible. And we don't want to waste your time doing it. Okay, now OPC. We have summer camp coming up this summer, and we're letting you know that it's coming up, because it's gonna be amazing. And usually throughout the year, we do little workshops. We're not doing that anymore. We're doing a summer camp instead. So you don't want to miss it because it's going to be amazing. And you're going to want to go to opc.me/workshops to get on the waitlist way to go, babe. Added that right in right there live opc.me/workshops that's plural. Okay. Then there's an OPC reformer challenge going on right now.

Brad Crowell 6:19  

Actually it just wrapped.

Lesley Logan 6:20  

Just wrapped. But you know what, it didn't wrap for you. Because you can, this is why we're amazing, you can actually sign up for it right now because it starts when you want to start it.

Brad Crowell 6:28  

You sure can. 

Lesley Logan 6:28  

That's opc.me/challenge. And if you're like, Y'all, I want an accountability challenge. But I don't have reformer. Well keep listening, because in March, we will have a mat version for you. So it's really, really amazing. You can start that anytime if you're like, ah, this week's not great, LL, I'm going to start next week, fine. Write down opc.me/challenge and then sign up next week. Running down this list here. I already mentioned the March Madness Mat Challenge because it's coming up in March, so you know stay tuned. The presale for the barrels flashcard deck. Here's what I can tell you right now because I just placed the order. The spine corrector is finally available from ControlLogix. And if you're like what? Yes, it is. Do you want my discount link? Yes, you do. We'll put it in the show notes, but also 

Brad Crowell 6:31  

Go to opc.me/perks 

Lesley Logan 6:54  

Perks. And if you're like, they want me to call them LL. Well guess what reach out to us. We got an email of the salesperson who will hook you up with my discount link, but you have to email me for that email. So you want to, for the Barrels Deck, the best price is always a presale price. Why? Because we make you wait several months to get them. So your payment for waiting and being patient is 30% off. And the only way to get that is to be on the waitlist for the flashcard which is opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. Do you see how the waitlists are where the epic should happen? Because that's where it happens. 

Brad Crowell 7:49  

That's where it happens. 

Lesley Logan 7:50  

That's where it happens. Amazon podcasts, obviously, so opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, I'm gonna talk over the dog.

Brad Crowell 7:58  

I couldn't help myself. Every time you touch me it's like static electricity snap on my earballs. 

Lesley Logan 8:03  

For sure. Everyone who's watching on YouTube is watching us like this weird thing with our heads. It's I'm being shocked in my earballs. Okay, so last but not least, the Cambodia early bird has closed. And oh my God, you guys 

Brad Crowell 8:19  

There may still be a few spots left. 

Lesley Logan 8:21  

We don't know because we're recording this in the future in the past for the future. 

Brad Crowell 8:26  

In the past for the future. 

Lesley Logan 8:27  

But if you go to lesleylogan.co/retreat plural or singular? 

Brad Crowell 8:34  

Singular. 

Lesley Logan 8:34  

Singular. You can sign up and see if there and if it says sold out. Well. 

Brad Crowell 8:40  

Lo siento. 

Lesley Logan 8:41  

Yeah, lo siento. I'm sorry. Flash not get on the waitlist.

Brad Crowell 8:48  

Go to retreats plural and get on the waitlist for next year. 

Lesley Logan 8:50  

Yeah. All right. Before we get into this awesome topic about mental health, do we have an audience question, Brad?

Brad Crowell 8:56  

We sure did. Thank you, Shawn from Youtube. What are the measurements for the arm and leg springs on the Cadillac if I wanted to make my Cadillac more classical? 

Lesley Logan 9:08  

So, I love this, Shawn. And here's the quick and dirty answer. I have listed the entire measurements for every place where you would want to place a hook on your Cadillac or tower or wall unit on the Cadillac flashcard. So you buy that flashcard deck. It's right there and also in centimeters because I am aware that the rest of the world uses the metric system. Is that correct?

Brad Crowell 9:29  

Yes, yes it is.

Lesley Logan 9:33  

Well, what system do we use? 

Brad Crowell 9:34  

Imperial.

Lesley Logan 9:35  

Imperial. That sounds so tough. Imperial? In this country an imperial system? What? That makes no sense. It makes me think of like, like going to the Great Wall of China. Imperial. Okay. 

Brad Crowell 9:50  

It's because we roll. 

Lesley Logan 9:51  

Wow, you know what, you guys, America makes us really wonder too. Okay, but I do have the metrics system listed, as well as the Imperial. Inches versus centimeters for people who were like, what's the translation there? If you're wanting to make your equipment more classical, if you're an OPC member, we actually help out with this a lot, by the way, because we can look at each particular piece of equipment and give you feedback on yours, also based on your body. But the other thing you want to consider everyone who is retrofitting or not even retrofitting, but just like making modifications to the equipment you have, it's very important, you know this, don't go buy clips at the hardware store, don't like you got to be really, really careful what you're doing, because your equipment that you have, is definitely tested to stand the test of time for the springs that are sold with it. So if you're buying springs, that are not the brand of equipment that you have, here is the deal, should some shit hit the fan. The way the insurance companies work, is your insurance company is going to get sued, don't stress about it, that's why you have one, but then your insurance company's gonna go to the manufacturer, manufacturer will go, nope, we don't use those springs on our equipment. Now, that doesn't mean you're personally responsible. It just means that your insurance company is going to take the fall for it and they don't get to pass the buck off to somebody else. Again, don't stress about it but you need to make sure that if you are making changes to your equipment that the clips that you buy go with the springs because the springs and the clips that they sell those springs have been tested for the torque of the springs. So if you go to the Home Depot, or I don't know what you call it in another country, those clips are not tested for the (inaudible) I don't know Home D. They didn't sponsor this episode. So (inaudible) we keep saying their name, but if you're gonna

Brad Crowell 11:49  

I bleed orange.

Lesley Logan 11:50  

Do you remember that okay, you guys. There's a reel, there's a reel where this girl she's like I have never pronounced an L so hard as when I went into the hardware store and said I need to buy some (inaudible) but anyways, okay, when you you don't want to so the moral the story don't buy your clips at a hardware store. Whatever springs you buy buy clips from that manufacturer because they are tested for the torque and tension of the spring and pressures about to happen keep that in mind. If you're gonna make changes people do this all the time. That doesn't mean it's right it just don't stress about it. 

Brad Crowell 12:32  

It's an FYI. 

Lesley Logan 12:32  

Just an FYI. 

Brad Crowell 12:33  

Shawn, thank you for that question on YouTube. And if you would like to leave a question for us, where should they go? 

Lesley Logan 12:40  

Oh, you can just leave it anywhere. Apparently we just pick them up anywhere. We just pick them up anywhere. So I infusing it into the Be It Pod is much easier. But just like the T the TL didn't listen TL DL. You fast-forward it. Get the flashcards for the Cadillac Deck they are they are they are also labeled for towers and you will have the measurements there. 

Brad Crowell 13:01  

OPC.me/flashcards. Okay, now let's talk about [Steve] Wilson. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder in 1978. After years of misdiagnosis and struggles, including a pivotal stay in a mental institution, he eventually found stability. Beyond writing his book Teetering On a Tightrope: My Bipolar Journey in 2022, [Steve] dedicates his time to facilitating two mental health support groups, providing a hope and understanding to those navigating similar challenges.

Lesley Logan 13:37  

Yeah, so I have to say like, the more I thought about him, the more I thought about his wife that he's been married to forever. 

Brad Crowell 13:44  

Yeah. She's a rockstar.

Lesley Logan 13:45  

And when I told my dad about this guy, and my dad was like I said, he has been married for this many years. And he goes, Wow, she's tough. Like, and

Brad Crowell 13:53  

50-year 50-something years of marriage and for part of it, he was like

Lesley Logan 13:58  

Misdiagnosed

Brad Crowell 13:59  

Completely misdiagnosed.

Lesley Logan 14:00  

Mismedicated. And so I kind of I resonate with that. And I wanted to have him on for some reason. First of all, I fell in love with him in like a pre-interview chat. And he he is, you know, dying as we speak. Like he he didn't tell me why he's dying. But he does. He's dying. So. So I wanted to have him on as quickly as possible because I really love that he is wanting to share and make a mental health something that we're all talking about. And he dedicates his time if you listen to the episode to like helping people talk about their mental health, but also like I just think that it's so it can be so hard and can feel so selfish when you are trying to make your magic happen and someone around you is suffering. And so one of my takeaways is it's very tough job to be a supporter. And you've got to love them. And you know, making sure they have housing and good stuff, but like, you can't, you also can't fix them. And that's the hardest part is that we all want to fix people. You know, I know everyone listening in here, a lot of them are teachers, a lot of them are in the service industry of some kind. And they like, and they're mostly are women and so you're inherently a caregiver who just want to love up and support people. But you, you can support them, but you don't have the answers. Unless you do. Unless you're trained in that. And then you do, like, why I have a client who is a psychologist who totally does, but um, but it can be really difficult, you know, even even her own personal life, she has some family members who have some mental health issues, and she can't (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 14:09  

You know, like, if it's family, they also know what you do, and it can be resentful, you know, or they can resent it. So yeah, it's tough. I mean, being a supporter.

Lesley Logan 15:49  

Yeah. And also, like, you know, something that I want to bring up that I think is important we had Lindsay, what's Lindsay's new last name? Lindsay, my old assistant, she did a course for us on Profitable Pilates, about being an advocate. And one of the first things she said, which is she was quoting somebody else, which is like, you can 

Brad Crowell 16:15  

Moore.

Lesley Logan 16:16  

Lindsey Moore. Lindsey, if you're listening, I'm so sorry, I can't remember your last name. It's not even new anymore. But she, she brought up a person's like, a quote in the industry is like, you could only advocate you can only support someone in the amount that you have energy-wise, like there's a Venn diagram of their needs, and what you have to offer. And it's very, very important that you are acknowledging what you have to offer because if you go beyond that, you now no longer can serve them, or yourself or the people you're responsible for in your life. And I think that can be really difficult when we're watching someone suffer, because we can want a lot of things for them. And he has bipolar disorder. But you know, we know people who have gross narcissism and things like that, like, it's really freaking hard, because you're like, I just want them to take their meds or I just want them to do these things. And you, you can love them, and you can support them, and you can advocate for them in the amount that you actually have. And that's really, really hard for people to live with. Because they want to do more.

Brad Crowell 17:20  

Yeah, and, you know, I'm sure there's many of you out there who are in a situation right now where you're supporting someone. And you know, what [Steve] was talking about what that was just loving them, you know, he talked about people say, angry things to you. And it's really easy, I guess, easy is the wrong word. But it's, you can get to the point where you just want to snap back and he said, you know, that will never work. It will not work. But yeah, I you know, it just makes me think back through the relationships that I've had in my life and, you know, seeing trying to be there trying to be supportive without also being pulled down yourself. That's really challenging.

Lesley Logan 18:10  

Yeah. Well, and that's but that's like that whole like, we all ignore. No one listens to security tips anymore on the plane, although we should because the door just blew off. But we like that was 

Brad Crowell 18:24  

Did you hear someone they found somebody's iPhone, it blew out of the plane 16,000 feet it landed, it was still working.

Lesley Logan 18:31  

What? Yeah, that's crazy. They also found the plug that came out in the first place, which like, yeah, at any rate, listen to the security thing. They say one thing that's very important, put your own air mask on first. And we all tend to give more than we have. And it's just, that's not gonna help anybody. And if you're not an expert in mental health it is okay to seek out an expert. And there's also a lot of groups you know, like in the world of AA and stuff like that. There's Al-Anon there's different, there's different groups for people who have people who suffer from mental health issues so that you can be seen by people who get you because like, you could tell you're, I have friends like you go to tell them a problem and they like just do not they're, it's okay for them to be the wrong person. You know, so, which I think is it's important to acknowledge that sometimes our friends are amazing, our family's amazing, but they're not the right support for us. If you're going with some if you have someone in your life or you yourself have a mental health situation. 

Brad Crowell 19:33  

Well, one thing that I really loved that he said, what that he talked about was after he moved to Arizona, and had the appropriate medical diagnosis and the meds he was on we're actually providing support for him. He really wanted to give back. And so actually, before he even moved, he was starting to do speaking at high schools and stuff. But he said, When he got to Arizona, he was they turned him away. Because he's in his 60s and trying to talk to like 15-year-olds, he wasn't as relatable as they were looking for. So he said, alright, well, I'm gonna go do this anyway. But I'm going to work in support groups. And so he started, he began facilitating two different support groups. And he's been doing that for the last eight years. And you know, his mission. He said, he started that whole thing back in the 90s when he had a clothing store, in Ohio, and two people, two young people, he knew had committed suicide, and that's really took him down the teen route and supporting teens, you know, and then today, you know, he's supporting these groups that are, you know, all ages, but it sounded to me, like his passion is still youth, and really working with youth. 

Brad Crowell 21:00  

And you had a great question for him, you asked him, hey, we got a lot of moms on this program. You know, how do you begin to identify or, you know, what do you do? If your kid is beginning to struggle and they're unwilling to talk to you or they're exhibiting these different signs, and he said, he said, watch your child and notice if there are changes in their moods or actions, and you do not probe that he said, the first telltale sign is that their overall attitude will shift, whether that whether they're playing like, maybe they're escaping into video games, or you notice that their grades are dropping, or they never go outside. You know, these are signs that there's there's very much like something that's mentally, like, they're struggling with something right. And for him, it was abuse or sexual abuse. Right? And his parents he said weren't paying attention, and they wouldn't have known what to do anyway, because nobody was talking about it 50 years ago, (inaudible) more than 50. He was it would have been, he's in the 70s now, he's in his 80's now?

Lesley Logan 22:14  

I don't know how old he is now. But it was, he was like eight 

Brad Crowell 22:17  

Yeah, he was he was less than 10 years. 

Lesley Logan 22:19  

So young. But you know what's crazy to me is like, we all talk about like, oh, the world was worse now than it was no, it was terrible then 

Brad Crowell 22:27  

Yeah he was raped as an eight-year-old in a movie theater (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 22:32  

There was no language around that and no one was taught opening up like my parents were very much like, no one's gonna touch you, these are your private parts. You can only be touched here if you give permission like, but like, that wasn't happening. My dad was never told that. Do you know what I mean? Like I like think about my dad's age when I was thinking about Steven, and I was just like, that wasn't happening. We but we pretend like nothing was happening bad back then. But it was. It's just it wasn't on the news it wasn't getting from this location to another location. 

Brad Crowell 23:02  

And yeah, there wasn't the the Internet to disseminate, you know, that this has happened. happened

Lesley Logan 23:06  

This has and what are the telltale signs? And you know I 

Brad Crowell 23:08  

You don't hear about it. 

Lesley Logan 23:09  

I happened to, this morning, I happened to, I don't know why my news app came up, but and I also don't know why I clicked on this article. But I'm glad I did because I think it's really fitting for this. So Jessica Alba. I don't even know what she does today, in what, but she was interviewed for a magazine. Real Simple's first health issue, mental health issue, she was interviewed for it. And she was very open and honest that she and her daughters go to therapy together. And I was like, wow, that's so interesting that she would share that. And she actually shared how she got her daughters to go to therapy with her. And by the way, every one of my friends who has a daughter, I'm like, just so you know, they're gonna hate you for 10 years minimum, at least, you gotta let it go. You got to be prepared for that. Like they're just going to hate you. But Jessica Alba, she noticed that her daughters and her were having conflicts. And so she actually signed them up for therapy. And she said, this is your hour to tell me everything that you are upset about with me. And so parents listening, if you're trying to get your kiddos, to talk to you what's going on, what a great way to preface this is your vent hour like you can be up you can say everything you don't like about me in this container. And then there's a therapist there who can help you as a parent, articulate what they need, and also can help this kid that you're raising, you know, share what's going on with them. And like I just think it was I loved it. I was like, if my parents had told me, this is my parent venting hour I'm in therapy every week would have loved it. Mom, if you and dad are listening, just saying, that would have been a better marketing strategy.

Brad Crowell 24:53  

Yeah, she has a 15 and a 12-year-old daughter and then a younger son. 

Lesley Logan 24:58  

So anyways, I think it's really important that we know the signs when you have kids and also just like how to support people that are going through it. So that doesn't affect you in a way that is beyond what you can handle. It's okay.

Brad Crowell 25:13  

Yeah. He said if you if you do identify, you know, like a dramatic change like those, those things, he said, you need to connect with your kids. So figure out how to connect with them, how to build a relationship with them. Jessica Alba was give her daughters' venting time. He said, it's important that you don't straight up say that there's something wrong with them, and we need to fix it. So we're gonna go to a psychiatrist like, that is probably terrifying for them. Also mortifying for them, because they're probably feeling embarrassed or guilty.

Lesley Logan 25:50  

Anything wrong with them in high school and junior high, like everybody, but

Brad Crowell 25:53  

Also like, you know, like I you know, what did he say? He said he didn't tell anybody about his abuse for 30 years, 30 years before he told him what so he was 38 before he ever talked about it. Right? So it's the, the guilt and the fear associated with it, it makes it easy to hide that kind of a thing. And so he said, be gentle in the approach. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 26:27  

Yeah. I think that's amazing. 

Brad Crowell 26:29  

All right. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with [Steve] Wilson? He said that it's a terribly long journey ahead, you know, to stabilize mental health. You know, and he was specifically talking about the two different types of bipolar disorder. And he I want to say he had type two, I think that's what he had. But, you know, you had a really interesting conversation about stability. And, you know, he said, we, he said, so many people in this country who are suffering, he said, 60 million people suffer from some kind of mental health, whether it's depression, or bipolar, or whatever. And he said, we could get start, we could start getting some things done if we, as a community, who maybe we are suffering ourselves, or maybe we know someone who is suffering. But the only reason the only way that change will happen in the in mental health in our country, in our communities, is if we become active in voicing, our desire for change for the need for support in this area is so important. I mean, I think that it's again, because of the Internet, it's so prevalent today, it's so, we can easily find all these instances where mental health is a problem today and it feels like there's nothing being done about it. And he said, actually, that there are less, there are less support groups today. There are less college psychiatrists today. There are less therapists today than there were, I don't actually know when the stats are, but in recent years, he said it's on a decline. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of that has to do with the business behind health care in our country. Right? The fact that the insurance companies make it really challenging to get coverage for these things and 

Lesley Logan 28:43  

They make it so challenging that the therapist can't make a living off of it. They don't take it anymore. So like,

Brad Crowell 28:50  

Otherwise, you're looking at paying out a couple hundred bucks a session. 300 bucks a session.

Lesley Logan 28:54  

Oh, my God, it's yeah, no, no, it's it's insane. And I don't fault the therapist for not taking insurance because like, I know how hard, in the United States, I know how difficult it is to get paid from insurance companies. You're waiting months. Yeah. And they bring it down to nothing. And so people have bills to pay. And it just needs to be some. That's a whole other topic. At any rate, I there are, what is amazing is there are look in your community. There are some support groups that are out there, it's, you're to find them. But like, you know, I know in Las Vegas, there's different support groups that are based off for different types of people. And there are charities that want to help you there are so you know if you are the person supporting someone who has is mentally ill, I think you know, use your Internet. Thank God we have it.

Brad Crowell 29:46  

Yeah, I definitely like completely sidetracked and took over your Be It point.

Lesley Logan 29:51  

Yeah, it's okay. I'm gonna go into it. 

Brad Crowell 29:52  

Well, well, you know, I think we can just you already talked about find in the Internet. He mentioned a company or an organization called NAMI, N-A-M-I, so, you know, find that website, and they have resources and tools on there for those who are suffering from mental health. And then also, you know, he talked about calling your congressperson. So to be quite honest, I mean, that is the easiest possible thing.

Lesley Logan 30:18  

Everybody, you know, call your congressman, we have a phone number, because there's a, there's a sweatshirt you can buy off Cricut media called call your congressperson. I think it's 222

Brad Crowell 30:29  

202-224-3121. And we'll put that in the show notes. 202-224-3121. And you can call them and you can tell them, hey, I live in this state, this is my zip code, and they will connect you with your congressperson. And you can just leave them a voicemail, you'll almost never get someone on the phone, you just leave them a voicemail, and you say, hi, you know, my name is this is my zip code and I really, really, really care about mental health. And I think that you, as my congressperson should be fighting on behalf of mental health. And you just need to tell them that that is literally what all you you need to do is call them and just leave that voicemail.

Lesley Logan 31:06  

And if you live in a different country, I don't know how to have your person's number for you, but I'm sure that's on the Internet as well. And they work for you. Whether you get to vote for them or not. They're supposed to work for you. So you call them you find a way to email them, things like that. Lastly, I just want to say he mentioned that the stigma against mental health in this world is terrible. Specific, it really frickin is I was so, so so proud of my dad the other day, we're driving the car. And we're talking about homelessness. And he said, well, most of them are mentally ill. And I was like, you're right. Thank you. They are. Like they're not like, you're I think people look at homeless people. And they're just like, they should just pull it up from their bootstraps. They could there's a job, there's jobs out there you should get them. Y'all you have to have a physical address for resume. You do. Period. You have to have physical address to get your money from the VA system, you have to have a physical addresses, PO Boxes don't work. 

Brad Crowell 31:07  

So if just if I'm sure none of you have been following along, but I've been supporting a homeless family now for five years, I think, four, four or five years. Yeah, they just finally got an address. Finally. 

Lesley Logan 32:18  

Yeah, so So can you just when you see people who are talking crazy on the sidewalk, I know it scares you. I know it makes you fearful, I know you want to turn away, we have got to stop. Other-ising people who have mental health issues. Because it is a prevalent problem in this country. It's prevalent in this world, there is help out there for the people, for people who can afford it or have access to it. And if you are at all able to make a phone call to your congressman person, please do. And if you've got someone in your life, who's got issues that need support, do not stop until you find them support, because we have to stop, we have to stop making it like they're weirdos. They're not. They're human beings who have hormone imbalance who have a genetic thing. 

Brad Crowell 33:12  

Chemical imbalance.

Lesley Logan 33:13  

Like, like it's so easy for this all to happen. And you also know what you might be depressed one day. So at any rate, this whole episode was not supposed to be done on a like a low note, my whole point of doing this is like I have seen what mental health issues in my own family have done to my own family and how they can tear people apart or make or strain relationships I have seen we lived in L.A. and we saw the effects of mental health that was unsupported. And I feel I am very, I'm very grateful for how that well this podcast is doing and I wanted to provide a story from someone who has who has actually suffered is suffering from it, who is actually doing amazing things and he's got a great book to help you. If you don't even understand what it's like to have mental health issues, the empathy that you could have after you read this book could be what you need to help you support other people. 

Brad Crowell 34:10  

Yeah, in fact, I think that's a perfect way to to end this. I'm actually going to read you the just the byline on this book here. From [Steve] the title the book is called teetering on a Tightrope: My Bipolar Journey he wrote in 2022. He said, as an energetic normal boy of nine, Stephen W. Wilson would not have guessed that the most horrifying day of his life was lurking just months ahead. From that terrifying day when he was at the theater to a suicide to his suicidal ideations. His attempt to kill his father and his subsequent hospitalization, Teetering on a Tightrope sweeps the reader headlong into the abyss of bipolar disorder. Wilson propels the reader into his sometimes out-of-control mind, inability to perform sexually and overwhelming anger. Despite all that Steven Wilson gushes about the monumental times when he was in a state of normalcy and could enjoy life's golden moments, all centered around his family and his friends. Teetering On a Tightrope shows that those who suffer from bipolar disorder can experience a full and productive life. So there is hope.

Lesley Logan 35:17  

I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 35:18  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 35:18  

Thank you so much for joining us today. You are amazing. And we are so grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life, we want to know. Tag the Be It Pod, send us your questions, shoot us a friend who needs it. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 35:31  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 35:33  

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Lesley Logan 36:00  

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Dive into Steve Wilson's life story, from a traumatic childhood event to his struggles with bipolar disorder. Learn about the challenges in obtaining a correct diagnosis and the transformative impact of appropriate medication. Gain insights into the mental health system's shortcomings and Steve's advocacy work.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Key differences between bipolar I and II, enhancing mental health understanding.
• How childhood trauma can shape mental health challenges.
• The system's shortcomings and Steven’s advocacy efforts.
• The vital role of medication and therapy in mental health management.
• The complexities and rewards of providing support.
• Valuable advice on monitoring and supporting children’s mental health effectively.

Episode References/Links:

• Steven Wilson’s Instagram
• Steven Wilson’s Facebook
• Steven Wilson’s Website
• Teetering on a Tightrope by Steven Wilson
• NAMI (National Alliance for Mental Illness

Guest Bio:

Steven Wilson, a retiree in Scottsdale, Arizona, reflects on over fifty years of marriage and a family with three daughters and two granddaughters. His mental health journey, marked by a bipolar disorder diagnosis in 1978 after years of misdiagnosis and ineffective treatments, includes a challenging post-college period with suicidal thoughts and a significant stay in a mental institution. His story chronicled in his 2022 memoir "Teetering On a Tightrope: My Bipolar Journey," began as a therapeutic endeavor during trauma therapy, offering insight into his struggles and serving as an inspiration to others.

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Episode Transcript:

Steve Wilson 0:00  

And it became apparent to me that it's not, it's not just because automatically you become bipolar or depressed. There's a lot of reasons to go through it. And I have experienced one of those reasons.

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

All right, Be It babe, I've got a different kind of episode this week. And I want to just shout, well not shout, shout out, I just want to say at the beginning, we are going to talk about mental health issues we will, my guest today is going to share a story about being assaulted as a child, suicidal thoughts. And I say it at the top because if that is something that might affect you negatively in this moment, then please save this episode for a different day. But I would really love for you to listen. This guest reached out to me and shared their vulnerable story, I'm gonna cry. It's such a beautiful episode, this person's life and journey in their mental health and then helping others with theirs, I'm gonna get it together, is nothing short of amazing. And it is something that I think is really important. I think it's really easy. I know too many of you listeners have mental health problems that you're going through, and you suffer in silence and I bet it hurts my soul. Because it can be so difficult to get help. It can be so difficult to get the help that you need, there's gonna be so much bureaucracy and tape to go through and then you may not have the financial means, energy or support to get it. And so I wanted to do this episode because I don't, I don't want to brush off that we have a mental health problem in this world. And some of you might have someone in your life who's going through something and it's affecting you as well. And you might be struggling with how to support them and yourself and protect yourself and but support them and love them and have kindness and graces. 

So our guest today is Steve Wilson. He's the author of an amazing book with his life story. He was diagnosed with bipolar disorder two, in the 50s. And he's 75 years old and dedicating his time to helping people who need help and access to support who are going through mental health stuff. And he has been doing this for many, many years in the 90s helping kids in high schools. And so it's it's an episode I hope you listen to and I hope it inspires you and helps it gives you resources if you need them for your own mental health or if you need them to help someone who's going through something. And so let me know how this episode feels for you and share it with a friend who might need to know the information on how to help someone who's going through something and I promise I don't cry the whole time I'm just crying in the intro. It's really cool. Nothing happens like, I don't really believe in coincidences. I really do believe that people come into our lives for a reason, season or lifetime and there's some there's a reason why this guy applied and you guys with the process we have, he may not have applied, actually. And when I got to hear Mr. Tara story, and I got to hear about his life and his health right now. I made it a priority to get his episode recorded before our tour because I wanted to make sure I didn't miss out on the opportunity to hear it, to share it with you. So Steve Wilson, thank you so much for being you. Thank you for your story. You all, again please take care of your mental health if it's not the right time to listen to episode, but if you know someone who who needs support or you know you'll need it in the future or need it in the past. This is a great episode and we can all make a change in this world when it comes to how wherever you live in this world supports mental health and those who need it. So here is the Be It Till You See It interview with Steve Wilson.

All right Be It babe. I'm just so excited when I met this man, I had immediately tried to figure out a time we can meet because he is a very special human. I feel so blessed and touched to get to know him and his life and he's going to share an incredible story with you and also some things that we all can be considering. So Steve Wilson, thank you for being a guest of the Be It Till You See It podcast. Can you tell her who you are and what you do?

Steve Wilson 5:22  

Hi, my name is Steve Wilson. I'm retired. I've been married for 51 years. I have three daughters and two granddaughters and I'm living in Scottsdale, Arizona. I recently wrote a book called Teetering On a Tightrope: My Bipolar Journey that outlines my entire life of 75 years suffering from bipolar disorder.

Lesley Logan 5:55  

Wow. 51 years of marriage, 75 years of life, three kids and a book. What? You know, I don't think a lot of people, I feel like bipolar disorder is something that people have heard about, but maybe if they haven't met, if they don't have anyone in their life who has it, they might not know exactly what it is, can you kind of explain that and then also how you got diagnosed there?

Steve Wilson 6:20  

Well, bipolar disease, there's actually two types of bipolar one, which is really highlighted by mania, you have depression. And then it goes into, out and out mania, which the person will think they're superhuman, they'll spend all their money, they'll buy things, though, do things that ruin their family life, and it's just all out terribleness when they crash, which they will, eventually, they look around, and their life has been ruined. Bipolar two is which I am is deep, deep depression, suicidal ideation. Sometimes suicidal attempts and sometimes suicidal, outright. The highest I ever got was called hypomania, which is a higher than what you normally would go through life with, but not as high as out out mania. Those are the two types that most people deal with.

Lesley Logan 7:36  

So, you know, when were you diagnosed? 

Steve Wilson 7:40  

Well, I gotta start earlier.

Lesley Logan 7:42  

Okay, let's start earlier. Let's start from the beginning. 

Steve Wilson 7:45  

Okay. When I was nine years old, in 1958, I went to a movie theater in my local town, was waiting to get a coke. And a guy came up to me and said, I thought he was an employee. And he said, do you think he could help me here in the theater? And I said,sure, I'll be glad to that'd be cool. And, unfortunately, he took me back and put me in the restroom, and raped me. Now, at that time, there was very little help. I knew nothing about that anything like that could ever happen. I blame myself for some reason, although I didn't know why. So I decided to keep it quiet. I'd never tell anybody. And I didn't for 30 years. My parents had no idea and my siblings had no idea. My schoolmates, teachers, nobody knew what I had gone through. For a couple of months, it didn't bother me too much. And then, one day, I fell into a deep depression at eight, nine or 10. And I didn't want to socialize with anybody. I thought everybody hated me. I didn't have any feelings toward anybody. It was just awful. And my schoolwork dropped like a rock. And I just barely got out of fourth grade. That was my first episode with depression. And it lasted though for a couple months. Because you got to realize that when you have Bipolar doesn't mean you have it bad every day. It kind of like goes like a roller coaster. One day you're up you might be up for two months and then you go down for a month or two months or whatever. So it's very cyclical in its nature. Sure, I got out of that first depression and felt pretty good and I had some more and in Junior High in high school and college, but I was always able to fake it with everybody. Nobody knew what I was going through and I still had a lot of good times in college especially and only time things are really bad is when they were really bad and nobody there to help me. 

When I got out of college things changed. I fell into a deep suicidal ideation, depression that lasted quite a while. One evening I got in a fight with my father. And the next day I was in a mental institution in Columbus, Ohio, stayed there for three weeks. I would say that saved my life. Because after I was done with getting into psychiatrists, and going through all the group therapy and things, my suicidal ideations were gone, and never came back, really. The problem was, they diagnosed me as clinically depressed. And for six or seven years, they had me take medications designed for that diagnosis, and none of them helped. And I was bad, I couldn't keep a job. They fired me or I had to sleep and couldn't go to the job or I got mad and quit. All the things went wrong. And then in 1978, six years, seven years later, they said they made a mistake. My diagnosis should be bipolar. And they prescribed lithium for me, which was the wonder drug back then. Probably still is today. And it worked very well. Now it got me about 50% better. But that's 50% I was then able to reenter the human race, get jobs and do everything. I still had some terrible things going on. 

One of the worst is rumination, if you know what that means. It's when your mind is completely overwritten by thoughts that just keep whirling and twirling and whirling around. And sometimes you can't shut them off. And you just got to keep fighting it. Also, I was very impetuous, I would go out I bought a new car one time because my wife was buying one. I said, hey, I'll take one too. So that kind of impulsiveness goes along with this. The ability to make smart decisions, kind of stops, you make decisions based on gotta do it now. Got to do it now. So that went on until about the year 2000. So that's 22 years. My work was gone. But there was still a lot of Yes. And then in 2000, they put me on a medication called Paxil. And since that time, I've been 80-90% of the good.

Lesley Logan 13:02  

Wow, 51 years of marriage, that means your you and your wife went through all this together with a kid. That's a lot in life.

Steve Wilson 13:11  

Yes. The worst time for her were the same times that were the worst times for me that period from getting out of the hospital till I got lithium.

Lesley Logan 13:23  

Yeah, thank you for sharing your whole story. So I mean, like I'm sure, there's more. But it's one of the things that can be one of the things I want to talk about on this show is, you know, there's certain we all we have these obstacles in our life, there's things that happen to us, that are outside of our control. Your being raped, outside of your control, and your bipolar disorder out of all this. And you kept going, like you kept going in this world. And I since you were able to be on lithium and then have the Paxil, and like, start to feel more like yourself. What did that allow you to do? And and what it like? How has that been able to affect your life in the life you wanted to have? Do you feel do you feel bad for the years that you miss? Like, do you wish you had them back? I guess I just have so many questions about like, what it's like to kind of feel like you don't have control over how you're feeling?

Steve Wilson 14:24  

Well, it's a strange thing. It's, it's like if you have a heart attack or you break a leg, when I was going through the worst years, it was terrible. But now, and during the last 20 or so years, I can't remember how bad it was which is a blessing. Okay, because if I had to wake up every day going, oh, l I knew when I did that. I know it'd be terrible. So if a person who is bipolar or depressed, takes on the challenge of getting better, and it's a lifelong challenge, there is no cure for depression, there is no cure for bipolar. But if you stick with the regimen, if you can get into serious psychiatrists, which we'll talk about in a few minutes, and you follow what they say, and you get a therapist or psychiatrist who you can be in tune with, and are ready to work, and keep going, you can have a good life. You can be very productive. 

Lesley Logan 15:43  

I love hearing that. That gives me hope for people. You know, there's a lot, there's a lot of mental health issues out there and it feels like it feels like an uphill battle. And especially for the people around the loved ones who love the person who's going through it, it can feel also helpless and hard. Since all of this has been going on What have you been wanting to do? Is it? Is it your do you have like a mission? Do you have something that you like, been, have you been using this diagnosis to to further what you're doing in your life now? Like, can we talk about what what you've been doing these? I mean, you should be retired and enjoying life in the sunset. But you're here on this podcast. So what what's been one of what is what has this whole life done for you?

Steve Wilson 16:42  

My mission, as you call it really started when I still had my clothing store in Ohio, in the late 90s or mid 90s. And every Christmas, we had a big store and very busy. And so we would hire young ladies, Junior High, High School to come in and run errands and wrap packages, get things for us. And this one year, I hired this one young lady, she was very bubbly, cute, vivacious, everything about her. She was a good student starter on the basketball team in high school, and had everything going for. I thought this girl was going to go somewhere. One Saturday morning, her best friend who also worked for us, came in the store sobbing and crying and came up to me and said, and she killed herself last night. And just before that, maybe a few months before that. I had a friend who lived 100 miles from me who we went to college together. And we talked quite frequently. And he told me his son had been having problems and his son was about 16. And one day they get a phone call from the local police saying that they caught their son breaking into a house. And would they come down to the police station and get him and so they did, the kid got out of the car. He said Mom, Dad, I love you, but I can't take it anymore. shot himself in the head. Those two incidents made me realize that teenagers and remember this was 25 years ago, so think about how bad it is today, that teenagers had a lot of emotional problems. And basically, for sure back then nobody was paying any attention to them. So I decided I would offer myself the high schools and give talks about teenage depression and suicide. And at the end of each talk, I would ask the any one of the kids to come down and talk to me about what they're going through. And this one girl came down and she was the top student the top athlete pretty had everything going for him. She says Mr. Wilson, I can't take it anymore. Everybody thinks I have to be the best. My parents just driving me nuts because they want me to get into the best schools and of course I gotta get a scholarship form and she's I can't take any more. Heartbreaking. So all I could do was give her information of where she could get help. And I hope she did. I never saw her again. The next little girl who came up was same age, just an ordinary student, you'd think she's fine. She says, Mr. Wilson, I've got no friends. Everybody hates me. They bully me, they make fun of me, my parents don't like me, I want to die. I told her the same things about getting help. And again, I never got to see him again. But that really opened a door and a window for me to realize that this is really some serious stuff. 

And I continue to talk to classes until my wife and I moved out to Arizona in 2008. And I wanted to pursue pursue those talks I was giving to people in school. And out here, they said, you're too old. I was 60 at the time. And they wouldn't let me do it. So I decided there's got to be something else I can do. So I got in touch with a group that has mental health support groups. And I went through their training program and got selected as a facilitator. And I've been facilitating to support groups for the last eight years. It's amazing what I have found out from those people, many of them, and I do the age 18 to 80, many of them that are still suffering today are suffering because their parents or a friend of a parent, sexually abused him. Somebody else beat him up. Somebody told them how worthless they were all the time, I had kids who were locked in closets with nothing but a bottle of water for hours on end. And it became apparent to me that it's not, it's not just because automatically you become bipolar or depressed, there's a lot of reasons to go through it. And I have experienced one of those reasons. We spend a lot of time in our groups learning about each other. And in these groups, they are able to tell their story. Now it may take a month, it may take six months, or they tell their story or don't and never come back because they're scared. But one of the big things now, most of my groups are made up of people who don't have a lot of money. They may be on disability.

Lesley Logan 23:01  

What are the ages? What are the ages? Obviously like you're not doing in schools anymore. So like, is it as the age is just range? Are you finding that people

Steve Wilson 23:11  

Yes, big range ages. Now, I gotta say that two thirds of my, my groups and I can do, I did 16 people last night. So I could do about 30 people a week. And I've seen well over a thousand people in these years. Most of them are middle income to lower income. Struck by the inflation for today. And you know, it's really tough. Well, what's happened to our system? Well, our system never did anything. And it does less today, because they set up these what you call group homes and clinics that these people can go to, but they're woefully inadequate. It might take you a long time to get an appointment, it might take you, you might take an appointment for one week, and then you have another appointment a month later. And it's a different guy. 

Lesley Logan 24:17  

You know, when I, so sorry to cut you off, Steve, when I, I remember I was having some really, like I was going through something in 2013 I was quite depressed in my life and like I've just been flipped over. And I had insurance I had great insurance at the time. And I was trying to find, like a therapist, and I wanted to go by a referral. Because, you know, I wanted someone that like had some someone could say that they weren't good. And everyone had a waitlist months long, or they didn't take my insurance or are like, oh, they could take me but not what like all of a sudden, like, what if I was actually like, I'm depressed but I'm not willing to leave this planet right now. What if I was you know, like, and also I had the means to I had the means to pay for it or the means to, to go to it. And not everyone has that. So I, you know, when you bring up like this system, it's really, I feel it's awful because like the people who are in who are working in those places, it's not that they don't want to help people. It's just that the system is broken. And so even if they want to help people, they're not able to help as many people as it will help them the way they want to.

Steve Wilson 25:30  

It's a sad situation, the number of therapists and psychiatrists is dropping around the world. The reasons are clear to me, some of them drop out because they get burnout or whatever. But the real reasons are kind of like two-fold. The insurance companies have waged war on mental health by excluding many millions of people. I want to tell you something, there are 60 million people who suffer from mental illness in this country alone. So, and it's worldwide at about that percentage so there's, it is much more prevalent than people who get serious diseases and it's just as dramatic or worse. So the insurance companies have blocked everything. Oh, yeah, you can get insurance if you pay a premium of $300 or $400 a month, and then you pay $200. You might get covered all of it, but you might not. But that's still 300 bucks a month, you take people in my group, $300 a month is whether you eat or not. And then you throw in the government. Government has virtually no desire to get involved in much of a way with mental illness. They look at people and they go are you jarring? (inaudible) They're not broken, bud.

Lesley Logan 27:17  

That's the thing about mental illness, it's so hard it's like, or any sort of condition that's like, hidden, you know? It's really people, if they've never experienced it, they kind of go can't you just like, can just take a pill to feel better? And it's not the it's not how it works. Even, even if you're on the right medication, even the right medication for you. It's just that doesn't fix the problem doesn't solve the issue. And it doesn't at all help the people who who may not even have access to get the diagnosis to get the medication. Are you, like, so your groups, I have a question for you in case someone's listening going, oh, my gosh, I wish I had a group. Is this like something people can just Google or are there people like you everywhere who are holding groups like this? Or is there like a facility like what, where can they search for, what do they need to search for to find a group like yours? 

Steve Wilson 28:12  

Well, they can search for mental health support groups, Phoenix or wherever they live. They can go to major mental health resource, which is called NAMI, National Alliance for Mental Illness, it's N-A-M-I is most commonly referred to. But everything you're going to need to find out is online. The problem is that doesn't change the situation these people face. And I, as we talked about the government again, they're not doing much. And these people can't afford us. So what happens to them? Oh, I want to say one other thing. You talked about medication a minute ago. Only 50% of mental ill mentally ill people respond to the medications. So if you've got 100 people, 50 of them don't get any help from medication. So they struggle on their own. And especially if they don't have a therapist or someone to tell them. They don't realize that there are things they can do in a therapies that often is covered by insurance, such as EMDR, which is an eye movement exercise, and behavioral therapy, and intensive outpatient therapy. All these things can help if if you need them, they're there. Problem is. Most people don't know anything about them. 

Lesley Logan 29:59  

Yeah. That's one of the reasons I wanted to have you on because I feel like anyone listening to this podcast can hear that these things exist. And whether they're the person who is going through something right now, or they know someone who is, it doesn't have to feel like you don't have to help them. We, there, we have to just find, we have to be able to use the resources that are out there. So that's really promising, because I'll be really honest, Steve, I was like, is there? Is there any hope? Is there? Is there hope for people suffering with mental health issues that, you know, don't have the means, you know, but it sounds like there's some groups.

Steve Wilson 30:40  

Support that is most important is from your friends, family, teachers, and anybody you feel compelled to tell them what's going on that you think will they will understand. The support is what they're giving you not answers. 

Lesley Logan 30:59  

Okay, I like that. 

Steve Wilson 31:01  

You want them to want to know that they're there. And if you need them, they're always going to help you. Problem is most people don't know how to interact in a mental health situation. So you have got to let the people you're talking to know, what you would like them to do what you can what they can do most. And again, as I say, it's just love them and make sure that they got housing and all that kind of stuff.

Lesley Logan 31:37  

Yeah, that's a thing, right? Sometimes I'll be having, I have clients who like, though, you know, they'll just be talking like the complaint about something that's going on. And this is going on, and like, you know, the person that you're upset about, they are overwhelmed. You know, like, they're, they too are overwhelmed. And I feel like we're in this place where most people want to love, and they want to be generous with time and, and resources. And yet, you know, we're living in a time, that is exhausting. And there's something going on everywhere. And it can just feel, you know, overwhelming to help the people around you. But I do think that it's important to know that it can be enough just to be there for someone and listen, and it can also be enough to love them. And, and, and let them know that that that they have support, you know, it doesn't have to be that you're, you're, you know, I had someone on many, many years ago about being like a patient advocate. And she said, you can advocate for someone as much as you have the ability to so there's a Venn diagram. And if you were to advocate more than you have time for or the ability for and means for, you're actually doing a disservice to both people. So you have to be really conscious of that. And I think for some people that can feel like they're being selfish, but like, it's really being honorable, like I have this much time or this much money or this much this. And then to give that and then you know, doing their doing your own due diligence around what's around you to help support people beyond what you can do.

Steve Wilson 33:26  

Now, I want to tell you something that isn't going to be easy for someone to give support, because some of these people, if they're manic, especially, they can be out of control. They can say things to you that hurt. And you want to just say shut up but you can't. And it's a very tough job to be a supporter. 

Lesley Logan 33:51  

How do you protect yourself, Steve? Because like you are taking on so many people's stories and these groups, how do you protect your energy? 

Steve Wilson 34:00  

I get energized by it. Because I'm out there, helping people and seeing I have done this for so long. That I have seen people, many people come from the darkest depths to having their life back. And it is really cool. Now, out of the 30 people I see how many might that be? Three, 10%? But it is really cool when they respond. On the other thing before I forget we were talking about support. I would suggest that everybody who is in a position of supporting somebody go to NAMI N-A-M-I's website and look up where you can find a class devoted especially to those caring for mentally ill people. It will open your eyes. Not only one, what you're in for. Two, how to react. 

Lesley Logan 35:03  

That's wonderful. Thank you for that. That thank you for that tip. Because it's kind of like, you know, there's when you are someone who's been with someone's an addict in your family, there's options for help. There's groups for people who are friends or families of addicts, because it you've mentioned it, like people can say some really harsh mean things. And it's, you know, you, it's hard not to take it personally, even though it's not, you know, because words hurt. So yeah. 

Steve Wilson 35:38  

Yeah, it can be really tough. 

Lesley Logan 35:41  

So you are doing these groups twice a week, you are being this resource for people who are going through this. What? You know, I know, I don't, I would love to say that we could somehow help people with mental health issues sometime in my lifetime, it would be really great. But I'm also not going to hold my breath. For, we have a lot of people who have children who listen to this show. I'm wondering if you have any advice for parents of kids, because as you mentioned, the 90s those things were happening. And now we've got social media, there's all these pressures to get into all the Ivy League schools, and you have to get into the best ones. And you know, there's just there's a lot of pressure to be, I don't know, I feel like I'm so grateful. I went through high school without social media, I'm so glad no one has pictures of what I looked like then. To be really honest, I didn't have but I used to, when I was a Pilates instructor in Los Angeles, I taught a lot of teenage girls, and the things that were coming into their phones, just bullying, bullying nonstop. And the suicidal thoughts that my 11-year-old girls that I was helping were having, I can only imagine what it's like to be a parent right now. So is NAMI the only resource for them? Or do you have any, any tips for them, because you used to do all these talks for young kids?

Steve Wilson 37:08  

The big thing, I think, is to watch your child. Try to notice, not probing and probing and all that stuff. But try to notice if there's been changes in his life, his mood, his actions, the first telltale signs that your child might be having problems, is his overall attitude. Is he now watching one home, now they're doing these games? Does he sit there and do the games all day, every day? Have his grades dropped? Have he, is he moping around the house? Didn't none of his friends ever come over anymore? Because he never go out. You got to be cognizant of what he's doing. That's the first step. Then you've got to somehow figure out how to get him help. You can't go to him and say, son, something's wrong with you. Let's go to a psychiatrist. That'd be a lot easier. A lot of being more gentle than that. But I would say I would. Nobody watched me back then. My parents didn't have a clue. My sister didn't have a clue. And even though I wasn't sleeping in the nights and all the other things I was going through, nobody had a clue. And that's the same today. But there are just as many children with mental illness as there are adults. And the pressures, as you say, are profound.

Lesley Logan 38:54  

Yeah, I liked that. You mentioned those signs, because I think it's true, like kids inherently want to hang out with their friends. They don't want to hang out with their parents and if they're hanging around your house all the time. And it's hard. I love that you also said like, don't go probing and like, tell them what you're gonna do. Because it's also that's just more pressure. You know? One of my, one of my client's mom, she was just like, I know, it was so hard for her, watching her daughter go through these things and have these thoughts and continue to be an open space of support. You know, she was definitely going through her own therapy to figure out like how to say what to say how to react to things so that she wasn't adding to all the things that were going on with her daughter and it was just it takes it's a lot and if you are if you also have a job. You also you might even have your own mental health stuff, it can be even more exhausting. I think we have to just continue to have kindness and space and grace for ourselves and also for others and and I think the more we recognize that mental health is a real, is a real thing we'd be paying attention to and it's actually like, very precious, you know, I think that can actually help, you know, the more we realize that like, because I think sometimes people just like they blame themselves. Why do I feel so tired? Why do I feel so down? Why am I so hard? But why am I so negative? And then they just pile on more stuff with themselves, when it might be, you know, an imbalance in their bodies that has nothing to do with with them. It's everything to do with them, but it's not their fault. 

Steve Wilson 40:32  

Yeah, they're gonna people gonna realize that. It's kind of like, Why do I have diabetes? You didn't create the diabetes, your genetics created the diabetes, your diet, all these things created it. Well, with mental illness. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain. It is genetics. Definitely. It runs big time in my family. And you can't blame yourself. You just got to spend your time working on yourself and getting through this and enjoying life. If I had to live for 75 years the way I did in the 20 I mean when I was in my 20s, I wouldn't be here. It's no way. Show I got the help I needed. And I stuck with it.

Lesley Logan 41:26  

Yeah, Steve, I'm so glad you're here. Before we get close to the end. Is there anything else that you wanted to share with our listeners today?

Steve Wilson 41:37  

Well, of course, I want to talk about my book. 

Lesley Logan 41:38  

Let's talk about your book.

Where can people, can people buy it anywhere?

Steve Wilson 41:44  

Pardon me?

Lesley Logan 41:44  

Where can people buy it? 

Steve Wilson 41:46  

Amazon, Barnes and Noble, it's available someplace I never even heard of. So I can't even know what they are. I don't know any of this stuff. 

Lesley Logan 41:55  

Remind me the name of it again. 

Steve Wilson 41:58  

Teetering On a Tight Rope: My Bipolar Journey. It actually came about because just about four years ago, I still had some lingering things that troubled me, even though I was feeling pretty good. So I went to a trauma therapist. Now they're different than just everyday therapy. And what she did for me, was took me back to my first memory. And then over several months, went through my life in chronological order, all the way up until the we were at four years ago, we got done. She said she's gonna write a book about it, look at all this stuff in there. And so I had been a sports writer for a little while. And so I knew something about writing. So I said, what the hell do it. Now it was easy, because I had everything in my mind. I didn't have to research anything or anything. Still, it took about a year and a half to write it, not working all day, every day. And then the publishing process is very long and tiresome. It finally came out in 2022. I have not heard how it's doing. Which means leads me to believe it's lingering. So why I wrote the book was for so many people to get an idea of how someone can suffer with mental illness.

Lesley Logan 43:40  

Yeah. I think it's something we need to know so that we can have grace for people who are suffering. It's really hard to help people whose stories you don't understand if you've never experienced it.

Steve Wilson 43:55  

Stigma against mental health in the world is terrible. They think it's mean somebody's got a lock up and put him in a straitjacket. And that's the only way he should live. But even though those thoughts were more prevalent, 50 years ago, they're still with us today.

Lesley Logan 44:10  

Yeah. They are. I'm glad you wrote your book. And I'm really grateful that we met. Because I think it's these are conversations they're not this is not and there's nothing sexy about this episode, guys. You know, like, it's but it to me, it was just so important to have this conversation because the longer we decide to ignore that mental health is an issue in our societies, no matter where you live on this planet, more people will suffer. And their suffering isn't only for the it's not just themselves it affects everyone around them. And sometimes people come into the crosshairs of someone who has mental health issues that didn't even know them, you know. So I just think it's really, really important. 

So we're gonna take a brief break, I'm going to then ask, make sure we get all the links for where your book is and how people can find you. And then I have one more question for you at the end. 

All right, Steve. So you have your book. And that is available on Amazon. Barnes and Noble, you just search for it. Is there anywhere else you want people to connect with you?

Steve Wilson 45:25  

On my website. I'm on Instagram. 

Lesley Logan 45:31  

Check you out. 

Steve Wilson 45:35  

On Facebook. 

Lesley Logan 45:36  

Well, you you are older than my dad, and he's on none of those things.

Steve Wilson 45:42  

Tell you the reason I'm on it is because I had to hire somebody to tell me how to do all this.

Lesley Logan 45:48  

Okay, so Steve, your website. What's your website? And then is your Instagram account on there? We can put all this in the shownotes.

Steve Wilson 45:56  

Okay. My website. Do you have it? Did I send it? Oh, I did send it to you? 

Lesley Logan 46:02  

Yeah, you probably did. We can put it on there. 

Steve Wilson 46:04  

Yeah, I sent them all to you. 

Lesley Logan 46:05  

Okay. Well, we'll put it all in the show notes. Okay, my last amazing question for you is this. You've given us so many action items already told us about NAMI and things like that. But if you have anything else, that's I like to leave people with an action step at the end, if they've been inspired by your story, a bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted step people can take to be it till they see it. Do you have any advice for us?

Steve Wilson 46:30  

Yes, it's a terribly long journey ahead to get mental health drawn out of the dark ages. But if we don't start now, it's never gonna happen. The government isn't going to do it without some beating on 'em. Insurance companies are gonna fight like hell not to do it. But you know, there's so many people in this country who are suffering, if they all just did something, wrote their congressman or fought with their insurance companies. And we'd learn how to do it as a group, we could start getting some things done, it will not conclude and get a lot better in my lifetime. I doubt if it gets really good in your lifetime. This is mainly for those kids coming back, back of us. The last thing I'd like to point out is that if you are suffering from mental illness, don't give up. There's always hope. There's always a chance, you're gonna have a better life. But you can't do it alone. And you can't give up at any time. 

Lesley Logan 47:52  

Yeah. Steve, I'm blessed to know you. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for encouraging us to act. You guys. We'll put the U.S. phone number for Congress in the show notes because Brad and I actually know it by heart. But if you are outside the U.S., you know you do have representation, you should let them know what you would like them to be representing you on. 

Thank you so much, Steve. And everyone, please share this with someone who needs to hear it. The more people who hear this, the more people we can put pressure on them. The more ways they can get help where it's needed, mental health is not going to go away and we all need to be doing it together. And so let us know how this episode affected your life. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Happy Friday, babe. You know what this means? It means it's time to celebrate some of your wins and then some of mine. If you've never been to the Be It Pod before, hi, welcome. This is what we do on Fridays. They are short, they're sweet. They're all about winning. And then Tuesdays is interviews and Thursdays is recap. So our first win to share is from Brittany Landefeld from Agency. She says I am so grateful for Agency, for you LL, Brad and the whole team it takes to run such a resourceful and empowering community. I started 2023 with a promotion to a regional management position for six studios, and it quite literally burned me to the ground. But that is how a Phoenix rises. In September, I had an awakening that I needed dramatic change, full stop. All things to Agency Mini Nine I put in my resignation in October, I quit my job in November, and I secured my own space. I'm slowing down to be more present with my family and sleep in December. And I now have my own private studio. And I'm pre-booking into January already with my official launch, January 1st 2024. So congratulations, Brittany, oh my gosh, you've been opened a month. We're so, so proud of you. We're so excited for you. And we're so grateful for you. Thanks for being part of our amazing community. You know, if you weren't there, we couldn't help you. And we love helping people. So thank you so much. 

Lesley Logan 1:59  

Our other win for this week is from Christine Eschen. Also an Agency member, she signed up for an intention setting event put one by one put on by one of her students, including samples. She's so excited. She got with her graphic designer to create two new ads for January newspaper. She's running two businesses. Fuck yeah, lavender farm and Pilates studio, working on making a product in between teaching Pilates, so she's actually like teaching people Pilates and then making lavender oil and then teaching Pilates. She held on to her boundary with clients telling them I need last week of December through January 1st so I can focus reflect and make this year better for us all. And oh yeah, she says, by the way, basically quit my full-time corporate job at the hospital so I could focus on Pilates studio, which I could not have done without you all. So Christine Eschen, congratulations, you've done so much this year, it was such a big, big leap. And we are so excited. 

Lesley Logan 2:51  

Okay, here's my win. My when is this. I wanted to change the work schedule. I think I told you this in a previous win, change the work schedule, we are one month into that new work schedule, and I am loving it. I'm loving it so much. It's also been really cool because I've been even more intentional with my evenings. It's making my me even more intentional during my work weekdays. It's really easy when you could you know, work anytime to work anytime. And we have at this household really, really put into effect, a new work schedule. And it is just incredible. And it sounds so simple. And that's why I share these wins because you shouldn't, your wins don't have to be this grand, marvelous thing that work, while I party, you know, people go, oh my God, you're so amazing. So that is a win of mine. 

Lesley Logan 3:33  

Another win of mine that I'm really loving is that Brad and I started a new tradition. We're not perfect at it. But we share gratitude and joy and also manifestations for each day. And I will say at this point, we've started a couple weeks ago. We're pretty good during the week. And what's so fun about that is that sharing our manifestations we can actually show what both of us are working on that day and we can support each other in even better ways. So feel free to do that with your partner, wherever you are. 

Lesley Logan 4:02  

Alright, one of the things you guys love is a little end of this with a little bit of an affirmation. So here it is. I am more than my circumstances dictate. I am more than my circumstances dictate. So I hope that resonates with you. If you've got something going on just feel like every obstacle is gonna be against you, guess what you are more than that. You're always more than that. 

Lesley Logan 4:22  

Alright loves. Thank you so much for being part of the Be It Till You See It podcast. We love supporting you. We love celebrating you. Make sure you send in your wins. You also send in your questions, we answer those on Thursdays. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 4:35  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 5:03  

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Brad Crowell 5:18  

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Lesley Logan 5:23  

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Brad Crowell 5:27  

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Lesley Logan 5:34  

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Brad Crowell 5:37  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.