Be It Till You See It

Explore the dynamic world of setting rates and seizing opportunities in this insightful episode with Lesley and guest, Monica Linda. Monica, a seasoned photographer, delves into her journey of overcoming self-doubt, learning to value her work appropriately, and navigating the unique challenges faced by women in the industry. This episode is a deep dive into the art of pricing, the importance of self-belief, and the power of seizing opportunities in the creative field.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Discover how self-worth influences business pricing strategies.
• Learn about the gender gap in professional rate setting and how to overcome it.
• Understand the psychology of pricing and its impact on client perception.
• Explore how societal norms shape women's business confidence.
• Gain insights on the power of networking and being in influential spaces.
• Hear how embracing opportunities can lead to personal and professional growth.

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Guest Bio:

Monica Linda, founder of Girl Squad Media, is a content creative director to entrepreneurs who are scaling the businesses they love. She uses personal branding photography & videography to bring back the pretty, reignite the joy, and put you back on center stage! 

Monica has photographed over 800 women, including The Queen B herself, Beyonce. Her obsession with excellence and storytelling has attracted brands like the NFL and Live Nation, while she has also covered events for the Tournament of Roses & Rose Bowl, and entrepreneurs such as Amy Porterfield, Chris & Lori Harder, Lindsey Schwartz, and more. 

The Girl Squad Media team is in high demand for media coverage and activations at some of the most popular events and concerts. Monica’s love of photography borders on obsession, and you’ll never see this down-home Texas girl shy away from a challenge. Her ambition, collaboration, and legacy drive her to be better than the day before. 

For Monica, becoming a media mogul who elevates women entrepreneurs is more than a passion, it is her destiny, and she hopes she’ll be able to share her passion with you as you build your own media content.

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Episode Transcript:

Monica Linda 0:00  

Like I heard that quote from I think it was Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey says when there's an opportunity and it presents itself to you, I do not want you to think about what's on the other side of the door. What I want you to do is walk through the door. Just walk through the door because the universe, all the things on the other side, if they open the door for you are going to take care of you.

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:06  

Hey, Be It babe. I am so freakin' stoked for this incredible interview that's about to come up. We talk a lot of things about women, charging are worth, stepping into the rooms. It is going to be an inspirational conversation. I hope you yell and shout out and clap along with the interview the whole time and make sure that you tell us exactly what your favorite parts were. Because my guest today, Monica Linda of Girl Squad Media and I want to hear that from you. It's going to make us dance for you. And we also want to hear about the well I'm not going to spoil the whole thing when you get to the end, when you do the Be It Action Item. We're gonna want to know where you went. All right loves, here is Monica Linda. 

Lesley Logan 1:44  

Welcome back, Be It babes. I am, I can't even wait, she's already laughing. I can't even wait you guys. I have an in-house guest. I think I'm going to start doing this more often. I'm gonna be really honest. It's so much more fun. We just wrapped an incredible photoshoot. I wrote 10 on my stories. I don't know maybe it's 15. Maybe it's 100. It's unclear. I'm so grateful for this one to be in my life. The last time you heard her was on episode number nine, (inaudible). And we got to hear how she was really being it till she saw it as a photographer. And now years later, well, two years later from the podcast, but also, we've known each other since 2019. And just really seen what you have done with your business. I have to bring you back and I want today's podcast, Monica Linda of Girl Squad Media to be I want it to be conversation but I can't wait for us to talk about women in business and women's service businesses because as we know, we set around rates and that's not always liked by people. So Monica Linda, in case anyone hasn't heard episode nine. Tell everyone who you are and what you slay at.

Monica Linda 2:53  

Monica Linda, I'm from Girl Squad Media. I'm the founder. And we work with women to help them generate images that increase their revenue. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

Yeah. And they do. 

Monica Linda 3:05  

And they do. And they do. Every time.

Lesley Logan 3:07  

And sometimes I just take photos for my 40th birthday invitations.

Monica Linda 3:13  

Because I'm obsessed with Lesley Logan style.

Lesley Logan 3:16  

I'm obsessed with Monica Linda's amazing talent. Okay, so, um, you how long you've been a photographer? And can we talk a little about the journey because when I met you you are a rising star. You're a fucking star now I mean, like phenomenal. I mean, Ed Mylett, Candy Valentino, Lesley Logan, Lori and Chris Harder. You we can name-drop some more and the fucking NFL. Yeah. But like, when we met you were still doing only branding photography, not video content. At the time, reels weren't a thing, guys. And you were in a business coaching group with me and you are working towards things. What has the journey been like since 2019 to today? Like how did like what's the tell us a little bit about that as a whole mental process and a lot of changes to your business. So how did it go?

Monica Linda 4:07  

It has been it has been crazy. It has been up down. But still on time and on path. Like I had

Lesley Logan 4:15  

Don't you hate when it's like on time because it wasn't on? Yeah, we look back and go that was the right timing. Like in the time you're like what is going on? 

Monica Linda 4:23  

What is going on? I had no idea but it just seems like it's so right on time. I even had that moment last night where I thought to myself, it is awesome to feel steel because I check in with myself all the time. As our client rosters get bigger as we sign bigger contracts with people that literally I would never dream of working with as that continues to happen. I continue to ask myself, Am I still on the right path and it still feels it still feels good? So we just we just keep going forward. I I've never really had like I know a lot of people have business plans, but I'm really intuitive about what feels right.

Lesley Logan 5:04  

Yeah, I hear you on that. Actually, let's just we'll just have a little bit on that. Because the banks love the business plan.

Monica Linda 5:10  

I mean, let me take that back. I have a business plan. Yeah. But I'm saying like, I've never started from the beginning and said, I want to photograph Karol G. and Coldplay in concert. That's not on my list.

Lesley Logan 5:21  

I know. But I but it's happening. I saw I saw you're gonna be at the Coldplay concert. You're, you're doing some stuff? Yeah. Yeah.

Monica Linda 5:30  

Yeah. Like, like that kind of stuff is not on my list. But the business plan is there for sure.

Lesley Logan 5:35  

Yeah, I think that that's I thank you for bringing that up. Because I think sometimes we get a I do. I do love prompts for making visualization work and manifestation work. And I do love a vision board. But I also think that sometimes a vision board rules can be a rules. I guess. It's just like directions, not rules. Can there? I do love specifics. I think it's really important to be specific when it's talking about like, who am I talking to in my business? Like, who am I doing this for? Like, you're very specific who you're doing for you. We all just heard what that was. Right. Right. 

Lesley Logan 6:06  

But with my vision boards that I made in 2013, like they were kind of imagery, as opposed to like, specific. I didn't put a brunette guy. Yeah, right. Yeah, on my vision board. But I put me in, I put a visual of a couple in love in the center with rose gold rings. I didn't know exactly who that was going to be. Yeah. So like, I couldn't put something down that I hadn't met yet. And I think sometimes we get a little hung up. Like, I've got to get Oprah on my podcast. And it's like, yeah, yeah, love Oprah on my podcast. But here's some five people that I think I could probably get right now if I really nailed them. And Oprah should be asking me to be on my podcast. Oprah's people just saying, if you're listening, you can ask me. But I think it's like being open to surprises, but being specific enough and the in the nearest future. So some people have a hard time thinking 10 years ahead. And banks love a plan. They don't want to give you money if you don't have a plan. They don't want to actually give a lot of people money, I'm being really honest. No bank has given me any money. Thank God for the COVID SBA loan. 

Monica Linda 7:17  

For sure, for sure.

Lesley Logan 7:18  

That was the only one there. Like do you want money? I'm like, I'll take it for I was like, how much like take all of it? How much? They may never offer us it again?

Monica Linda 7:27  

What is the max? 

Lesley Logan 7:28  

So you have a business plan, but you haven't been specific like Coldplay wasn't on your list. What? What? What are some things that were on your list that you can't even believe happened? And what are some things that like, are just surprises along the way? 

Monica Linda 7:42  

You know, I feel like I don't know if this is too woowoo. But this is really how it happens for me. I feel like as I become brighter as Monica Linda, my clients become brighter. Yeah. And I didn't mean for that to happen. But I'm finding that the bigger the client, the bigger the pay date, like all the things are, we've heard other people talk about this, it really is equivalent to how I feel about myself how I feel about my business, how I feel about not being an imposter that I do belong at the table. Like the more I'm really settling into that. The clients get bigger, and I'm not meaning to do that. But I'm almost playing a really fun game. Of I'm like, how bright can we really get?

Lesley Logan 8:37  

So I actually think that's really cool. I think like, no one means the brighter but like, isn't it way more fun? 

Monica Linda 8:45  

Yeah, yeah. And it's also it's also I feel like it's a life. It's a life journey for me because I've come such a long way, that it always shocks me that I still have, I have that much more to work out. Like, I feel like I'm going to continue to try to be more of myself and brighter for the rest of my life. I don't think I'll ever really get there. But it is scary and terrifying. And also kind of cool. If you can like notice it's happening at the same time. 

Lesley Logan 9:12  

Yeah, I love that. You mentioned something like the more you shine the caliber of client, you bring in shines, and something that I, we're in the service industry, obviously different services. But the truth is, is that like, we set our rates, there isn't there's there are costs of the businesses that we do. But there's also it's most of it is to our time. And so you're putting price on the same minutes that everyone has in a day. And so you have to value yourself a certain rate to create a value for those minutes. And it can be difficult to place value on those minutes because like oh my god, are they especially as a woman this because we've been raised this way. Are they gonna like me? I think I'm not enough for this. And when you said The shining, the brighter I've shined, the caliber of client also comes in. And also I uplevel the clients I already have. So everyone is winning here. What I see happen is in my industry is people fear that people won't like them. And they'll say no. So they're like, I think I need to discount my prices. I think I need to discount my prices. Do you have a story or a time where you kind of feared your rates? And maybe you did lower them? Or maybe you didn't lower them and like kind of how that went down? Because it's, it's hard. It's really hard when you work for yourself to separate when people say no to your rates, and it's not a rejection of you as a human being.

Monica Linda 10:44  

Yeah, no, it is really, really hard. I feel like a couple of years ago, it was really difficult when I would when I would set a price. And then would worry whether I was worthy of it or was I just experienced enough what with it, I knew that I was capable of doing it. But was I really able to like deliver the service and I used to struggle. But what ended up shifting for me is every time I felt that way, every time I felt like are they gonna like me? Or I could tell like somewhere I just didn't want to work with this client. But I wasn't I couldn't tell why I didn't. But what ended up happening is every time and I don't know how this happens, maybe somebody out there can tell us, but every time somebody asked me for a significant discount, it never works out. Never works out. No, like, that has been the hardest lesson for me the amount of times that I have not, I've been in a space where I was I was just in a funk or I wasn't feeling good. Or I was willing to compromise because I thought these people were brighter, or they were bigger or more popular.

Lesley Logan 11:53  

They tell you, Oh my God, I've got all these followers if you give me this discount, you're gonna get so much exposure.

Monica Linda 11:59  

Every time I'm telling you 100% of the time. And I have been in some serious situations that have been so deflating, exhausting, and literally sucked the life out of me. And what didn't bring me any joy. It has, it has been that so like, I almost feel like that lesson of the suffering of constantly putting myself in that situation made me actually do the opposite of like, let's really love myself here and ask and go for the ask. Because every time I do it the other way, it ends up failing. 

Lesley Logan 12:31  

Yeah, I had James Patrick on the podcast, and he actually does a couple he had like, every once in a while on his on his Instagram account. He goes, here are some reasons here all the reasons why people have said I should work for free for them. And here's what my response was. And we can talk more about this. There is something about the way he says it that I'm like, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, Oh, how am I going to say that? Because there's something about like, a dude saying that just that one. And people don't think he's an asshole. It's right. Like, someone goes, Oh, hey, you're gonna get lots of exposure, because I have a ton of followers. And he's like, followers don't pay my bills. And like, I read that and I don't go, What a dick. I read that go. That's right. Yeah. But like, there's something about if you and I were to say that sometimes I feel like people like bitch.

Lesley Logan 13:24  

Or they'd be like, she's so greedy. She wants so much money.

Monica Linda 13:28  

Oh, yeah.

Monica Linda 13:29  

Or who is she. She's not that big of a deal? 

Lesley Logan 13:31  

Yeah, I know. So, um, but I love that you brought that up, because I had the same thing like a weird game. We're in different service industries. But I've had I had the clients were like, well, what if I pay cash? My favorite thing? 

Monica Linda 13:42  

Mmm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 13:44  

I saw that run that shit through my scheduling tool. So if I'm audited, that fucking shits on the books, the cash, the scheduling tool, you're still on the scheduling tool? Yeah. So you're there, you think they're not going to find that? They're gonna find that.

Monica Linda 14:00  

Somebody will always find the cash. 

Lesley Logan 14:02  

Yeah, so I, um, I, I like the media does this thing every once in awhile when like, they think there's a recession happening where they say, Oh, just ask for a discount. Like you never know, especially for people who work for the small businesses need the money. So just ask, doesn't hurt to ask. Like, actually, it does hurt. It hurts the business owner, you're asking. Because even if they have the gall to say, No, you're still putting them through a mental gymnastics ring, especially if they're female to figure out, how do I kindly tell you to fuck off? Yeah. Like, how do I, how do I do that? Before we did this photo shoot today, which I'm I mean, I can't wait. I love our photo shoots. I mean, you know, but we had talked about you and hired you were you were, there was a situation where you were asking a couple of people for some rates, and there was the female and there was the male. Yep. Can you tell us all about that story? Because I feel like this really does puts a underline that we're talking about.

Monica Linda 15:02  

Yeah, so um, I have independent contractors that we work with all the time we hire photographers for big events, we hire videographers for different events, and 99% of the time, if I was to literally itemize how many times the guy always asked for at least four to 500 more, we're not talking 1000, maybe four to 500 more than any of the women do. And very rarely do any of the women videographers or photographers come back and ask for more. And when they do, my answer is yes. Usually when somebody when it when a woman photographer/videographer says, hey, I can do it for this amount, just because you asked. Absolutely. But I'm also not going to be the person who's going to like, make you name your price, right? That's your job and that is not my job. That is you. That is your job to ask for the right rate. So photographers/videographers ask for your rate first.

Lesley Logan 16:02  

I love this because so I have a mentorship program. And I And, and so the girls who come in, I mean, there could be a guy that comes in Sunday, but the women that come through, you know, they often tell her their clients, like,hHey, I'm doing this program. And I'm like working on this. And it's just to really better my teaching blah, blah. And some of their clients have just started paying them more. And they're like, my clients are just paying me more. And I'm like, Yeah, cuz they're like, raise your rates, I really value you. I'm loving what you're doing. And you're investing in yourself. And like, I love that their clients are just paying more. But also like, I really wish, I really wish that there was a an all public school, like training for how to really understand what you're worthy of, and how to negotiate. You and I live in L.A. and do you know when Sony was hacked, yeah, and all their all the prices for the male actors, like emails got out there. And all the women's emails got out. Yes. And like, I think it was Jennifer Lawrence, who was like, I learned a lot, right, I learned that I was just so grateful for the job. I said yes to whatever their offerings, right, which was $10 million less than the, my co-star who had less lines than me. Yeah. And like, that was a wake up call for me. I was like, what is happening? Why are we being taught the like, what are we not being taught actually what it is? So when, as a female photographer in the service industry, you know, the NFL reached out to you, they've hired you for things. Was there a time where like, oh, my gosh, I'm missing my rates? Like, uh, were you worried about that? Or was it because like, when the brands get bigger, do you worry less about saying your rates? 

Monica Linda 17:43  

Um, no, I'm actually really thoughtful about the psychology behind pricing. And that's like, a whole other a whole other discussion. There. There are, there are some brands and some people who want you to come in at a certain price. What I've noticed is that you have to when you're working with a higher with a higher client, you have to ask yourself, how high of a client is this? And if they're used to paying a luxury brand, a luxury price, you have to do it. Or they're gonna say no to you because you are too cheap. Right? They're gonna that I tell people this all the time. It's actually true. If you if you have people that are used to paying for like, Rolls Royces and Mercedes Benz and cars I can't even describe. If you come in at a lower price, they will say no to you just because they are going to feel like you don't believe in yourself. So why am I going to trust you with my product?

Lesley Logan 18:40  

I got tested on this a couple times when I was Pilates, I'm still a Pilates, but as a Pilates instructor in LA, I had this guy, I happen to look him up because he was coming in for a 6am session. And I worked at a Brick and Mortar at the time of the winter. But I was and I was gonna be alone. And I was like, oh, 6 a.m. alone in a studio with a client. I don't know who's a male like, I, I do want to kind of know who's coming to the studio because like, I don't know who I'm expecting. And when a homeless person walks in, I'm like, hi, come on in like I wanted. So I like made a mix. I said I can you send me all of your information so I can Google you because I am meeting you at 6 a.m. And he was like, what? And I was like, yep, I'm a female. It's L.A., 6 a.m. I want your information. If you don't want that, then I don't want to see you. And he gave me his full name. I googled them. He's a venture capitalist fund, the owner of it all these things. And I was like, okay, he and I could see he like spent part of his time in New York, part of his time here and as (inaudible) client and I'm only going to have half a year probably. And so he came in for his first session. I taught him. We went over my rates. He did do the like, oh, are there any discounts if I pay cash, and I said, are there any discounts if I give you money for venture capitalism and cash like, does my does my money go further? And he looked at me, he goes, good job. Yeah. And he paid me even when he didn't come He like not we're not trying to like cancels. He's like, I'm gone next week. Charge me. Yeah, like I don't want the session to go away. And that tests you guys, I don't even know how I knew how to pass that test but as more of a safety thing for me, but when he pulled that shit, I was like, Are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah, you are nuts. You live in the multimillion dollar corridor that's across the street from my shitty apartment. Fuck no, you don't like there was a part I was like, pissed about it. But that, that pissed, like made me like step up. And I passed that test. And then I had this other guy who was an entrepreneur founder. He definitely, he did not have investors yet. And he was trying to get there. And he also tried to negotiate my rates. And I said, No, would you let people negotiate your sale on your company that you told me you're trying to sell? 

Monica Linda 20:48  

Yeah, there, there has to be a moment where you're gonna have to draw a line in the sand. And also, you know, I, I can I also want to say like, I can take these risks, because I have I'm not new. And let's just, I have a portfolio that proves that I'm worth every penny. Yeah, so for every photographer, videographer who's out there, please. On another podcast, I will tell you the amount of free things that I had to say no to or lower my price. Just to build portfolio. That's a whole other discussion. That's not what we're talking about today. But um, if you're going to charge a premium price, your portfolio has to match that you just can't. You have to have the expertise, the photos, the website like the things have to match.

Lesley Logan 21:37  

I had a Johanna, you will talk to you on I remember her I had her on the podcast. She does the luxury branding, things. And her business card when you meet her in person, y'all. It is like as thick as a credit card actually thicker because I just was sent a credit card. I was like what is what is this business card I was just said, it is thick, like Amex platinum thick. You know what I mean, thick and it's like her beautiful, just amazing nails, like dripping down with gold on this thing. And she landed a Google account because of this. Her business card. Her business card represents her luxury brand, if she had handed the guy a paper business card, and said, I'm a luxury brand, brand game person like that doesn't match. 

Lesley Logan 22:26  

So I love that you brought up like, the type of person you're wanting to serve your portfolio, or insert your website or business card or the way you show up has to actually go along with that if you're doing high-end photos, but you're actually doing low-end services, that's actually not going to speak to your audience. Just like if you were trying to do high-end photography or high-end clients in Pilates with low-end stuff. Like you have to make sure everything matches. And I do agree. We all did start somewhere you do have to but where you start is you should never ever be just like, oh, I don't talk about that. Like that's right, you have to talk about those things, because it's actually what got you there. And then there's like some, there's a muscle that you build when people when you are when you have a situation that goes bad. I recently had one that like went a little bit odd. And I was like, okay, I don't like how that happened. Where did I make a mistake in the contract. So now my contracts now have new dates in them, because I was like, I didn't like how that went down. That didn't match with me. So we can't just go. A bad situation is just the worst that ever happened and actually teaches us a lot of things. 

Monica Linda 23:39  

It teaches you a lot of things. Sometimes you could do a really high-end client got paid 80% of what you really wanted, but ended up getting so much more out of it from the portfolio or you learn that. Shoot, I should have charged 100% and dammit, they would have paid it. 

Lesley Logan 23:57  

Oh, I do love this. Okay. But that's a confidence thing. Like we're like when you did that where you were like, oh, I could have charged more they would have paid it but I didn't feel confident in asking that? 

Monica Linda 24:10  

Totally. And that is like the biggest difference I've noticed when I am quoting any product that I give now is there is a confidence that feels good. That I didn't feel at the beginning. And I'm literally

Lesley Logan 24:23  

Which is hard. It's hard. You can be it till you see it. But it's still hard. 

Monica Linda 24:26  

It's still hard. It's still hard but there is like this confidence of like I am at least in the room. Right? Okay, so let's let's flex that muscle because there was a time that I couldn't charge those things because the muscle wasn't it definitely wasn't there yet. There's a quote by Gary Vaynerchuk. And I know I'm gonna say it wrong, but I remember 

Lesley Logan 24:46  

He probably won't yell at us.

Monica Linda 24:49  

But I remember years ago when I first started my business I was listening to a lot because I kind of like, you know, everyone's part. I listen to his podcast based on what I need. So at that point, I needed somebody to kick me in the ass. 

Lesley Logan 25:00  

Yeah, he will.  

Monica Linda 25:00  

He will, he will definitely kick you in the ass. So one thing he said is that when you're working with higher clientele, you can't fake the bullshit. You can't outsmart a, you can't, you can't out bullshit, somebody who's like has a lot of money. So you have to work on the confidence, you have to work on your pricing. Because the people that you're wanting to work with on the other end are going to see right through it and aren't going to hire you for that reason, too. 

Lesley Logan 25:26  

And I also think, like, look, what's expensive is very subjective. So what's it what was expensive to me when I was working in retail and had massive student loans that like a tiny little apartment is very different than what's expensive to me now. Now, I might not be able to afford some of the things that I don't think are expensive in this current state that we're talking right now. But they don't they're their price feels fair for what they are. And I think that's an interesting thing. I think sometimes we think when I can't afford something must be too expensive. No, the price is fair. I just am not able to afford that yet. And we were both in that master you were photography in that mastermind. Remember that woman who came through and Chris and Lori's very first fast foundation. She was his whole like money mantra. Yeah. Are you there that day was like really it was the in person the second weekend. Okay. And she was from the UK. And she was talking about like, you it's very important. You never say like, I can't afford those sheets. And instead saying, I'm not buying those sheets today.

Monica Linda 26:26  

Yes. Which is, which is a big difference. 

Lesley Logan 26:28  

It's a very big difference. So like, I everyone knows, I want a G-Wagon. You will never hear me say they're too expensive. You won't. 

Monica Linda 26:37  

You just don't, you're just not getting one today. 

Lesley Logan 26:38  

I'm just not getting one today. Yeah, but I'm gonna have one. And it's not too expensive. It's just not in. It's not what I'm spending my money on in this moment. You know?

Monica Linda 26:47  

Totally. And I feel like this is an, I don't where I don't know where men get this. Because I feel that my confidence in my level of just self-worth is equivalent to kind of what's happening in my client roster. I feel like what's different between men and I would love to hear I don't think 

Monica Linda 26:52  

Brad will chime in on Thursday. 

Monica Linda 27:04  

Well, I don't know how, I want to hear his thoughts, I don't think they need confidence in order to match price point. I don't know that because I'm not a dude. But I feel like they learned that earlier. They don't need like, they don't need self-worth to charge millions of dollars.

Lesley Logan 27:23  

Here's where it comes from. And this is gonna sound really terrible. But for the moms listening, let's just stop doing this with your children. Boys are like boys live boys. Oh my God, look what you did. So big. Look at this boy like did that and girls are like, don't brag shhh. Don't talk too much in class. Don't, no, no, no. No one wants you to talk too much. Like, hey, you know, like, I, my parents tell stories all the time about how like, I when, apparently, when I was three years old or four years old, I was taken down to San Diego. It's an eight-hour drive from where we lived, at least. And apparently I talked to the whole way there. And that's all they talk about. That's not all they talk about. But yeah, growing up, that story was so told so much. And the way it was told and this is not, because they're probably listening, it's I'm sure they didn't mean to, but it made me embarrassed. It didn't feel like oh my God, our daughter talks so much because she's so articulate has so many creative things to say. Yeah, it felt like wow, she can't shut up.

Monica Linda 28:25  

And she can't be too much. 

Lesley Logan 28:27  

Yeah. And so and again, I because I don't want to (inaudible) mom or dad. Yeah. I don't know that that was an intentional thing. But I've never heard them say my brother talks too much.

Monica Linda 28:38  

No, and I've never heard my my parents say that my brothers I used to get in trouble all the time from my mom used to say, we shouldn't have let her be such a free thinker. We we actually let her be that too much. Like I remember hearing, hearing those conversations when I was like talking or I would like come up with ideas where I'd want to do this or I'd want to like, buy like Vogue magazine. My mom would be like, we don't do that. Like, you shouldn't want you shouldn't almost like I shouldn't want to be more than that.

Lesley Logan 29:09  

Yeah. And I mean, like, obviously, they're coming from the what, however they were raised. What if so, like (inaudible). Yes. Love, love. Hi, guys. Love you. But like also those things, unintentionally, tell your daughters, you're too much. 

Monica Linda 29:27  

Too much. 

Lesley Logan 29:28  

You're being too much. And if my brother ran to the mud, it was like, oh my God, what a character. If we were to run through the mud, it's like we told you to stay clean. You have to stay clean. And also, I was raised in a very religious environment where it's like, don't show your shoulders because you're going to make people you know, you're gonna make boys be distracted and you're gonna make them stumble and it's your fault, which is, so I think even even that stuff makes women hide. Yeah, make some overthink of everything Well, if I charge that, what will people think if I wear this? What will people think? And the boys are never told, like pull your pants up? No one wants to see your underwear. 

Monica Linda 30:08  

That's right. That's right. Or, um, don't be too, you know, sexy or, you know, don't take your while you're playing basketball, don't take your shirt off. Yes, you know, they're never there. They're actually never told that. I feel like the the biggest thing that I still struggle with, sometimes with my parents is, can I trust my own thoughts? Because I feel like as a girl, we're constantly taught to get feedback, to ask your husband to ask your father for advice. Very rarely did I hear anyone say ask your mother for advice. I was told ask your dad for advice. And, um, I feel like even now, that's something that I have to work on is I am smart enough to make my own decisions with my wife or without her. And I have to like remember that. And that is that, that I think that's a muscle that I think a lot of women struggle with. 

Lesley Logan 31:08  

I agree. And also, like, I had a woman on who was talking about the feminine and masculine energies. And I struggle with that, because, you know, I own my own business. That's a masculine energy. And I'm in a marriage, and I would like to be more feminine energy in that state. But it's complicated when you work from home. And you work with your partner. So it's almost like, there's a trade off who's been in the feminine energy, who's been the masculine energy, but there's part of me as someone who like, was told no so much that I'm like, I want to fucking ask anyone permission, which is not great when you have a business partner. And I like also, I do have 25 people whose like, payrolls are our responsibility. So I do have to do that. And it's a struggle of like, okay, what am I going to fight for? And like, am I going to, what are some things like, I'm gonna draw a line in the sand here and go, we're not doing it that way. And so and then also because I'm, and then I find myself saying, is that okay, does that make sense? Does that make sense? And it's like, not everything has to be a battle pick and choose yours. I'm and I'm pretty good at that. But like, I am really struggling with going okay, like, are you okay with that? Honestly, like, for the things that I'm gonna draw a line, I really don't care if you're okay with that. But like, I really struggle just going. I'm good here. So, we're all going to be good here. 

Monica Linda 32:35  

Yeah. And, and one of the things I'm training my wife in a loving way, because guys do this effortlessly, and women crawl over it. Is it's okay for a woman to be powerful to have the biggest dick in the room. There is some strength in being the biggest person in the room, being the smartest person and guys walk in and women are like, oh my god, I just like love him. But when girls do it, we can't we can't be that we can't we can't be that strong. And what I want my wife and kind of other people to just explore is that when women are strong that sexy. 

Monica Linda 33:15  

There's something sexy about it.

Monica Linda 33:15  

When we're masculine that's sexy. 

Lesley Logan 33:16  

And also (inaudible) I think so. I think so. 

Monica Linda 33:16  

Sometimes it's fun to be masculine. 

Lesley Logan 33:18  

Um, well, I think we all carry masculine and feminine energy. It's like, it's almost it's like a dimmer switch is really what it is. Like, you can turn it on and like, depending on where what situation you do you want to be the person who receives being cared for or do you want to like, when you are taking action is a masculine energy and when you are receiving that is feminine energy. So when do you want to do that? And obviously, there's times when you want to be receiving, so but I, I find this really fascinating, I think, like, we I was on a board, where it was like eight women and one dude. And the guy and I like we flew on the flights together. And we talked about, like, what is our goal for the meeting? And I was like, well, I promise you that if I say it first they're going to deny it. They're gonna talk a lot about it. But then if you come in and say it with your accent as well on top of being a dude, they're gonna vote for it. Monica sort of fucking god every single time yep, I would go I want to do this and everyone go oh, can't do that. Here's all those and they would debate about it and then he goes well, what if we just do it like this? He would say the exact same thing with a slightly different sentence with an with his amazing accent. And oh, we vote yes on it. And I'm like, it pissed me off. But also once I figured out the game, we just like took it and ran with it. 

Lesley Logan 34:48  

However, it's like your point, like when a guy can come in the room like people can shift the energy and like actually ladies, we can shift the energy we can shift the and we can have more power one we have to actually remember, there's more than there's more room at the table now, there's not only one spot for a woman, there's actually way more room. In fact, many, many companies have like, hey, we have this many people of color of different diversities and genders here at the table. So there's more of us that are there. And to not say, does that make sense? To say? Do you have any other clarifying questions I can answer. That is a sense that I'm really trying to own, because it really does change the leadership role I have in a room and the way we can have it. And it's a really hard habit, because we're like, I want to make sure it makes sense. I want to make sure everyone understands I don't want to piss anyone off. 

Monica Linda 35:40  

Because God forbid, we don't make sense. Oh my God.

Lesley Logan 35:43  

God forbid, we also are not liked by everybody. 

Monica Linda 35:45  

Oh, my God. 

Lesley Logan 35:46  

Monica. The whole world.

Monica Linda 35:49  

God forbid, we don't make sense.

Lesley Logan 35:51  

So okay, so this amazing photographer here, the NFL's photographer of choice. People are gonna want to know how that happened. Like, you don't have to say all the details. But what has that been like? And like, did that? I mean, you said, you're here to help women, like have the media that shows them the work that they are like, when the NFL call we're like, what? I photograph women. 

Monica Linda 36:19  

Yeah. You know what, but the but the reason, one of the main reasons why we were even brought into the room was because we were women. And this is where it's okay to play. That's I do, like we were brought into this group, because we are gay, because I am a minority, because I am a female. So those are badges of honor. I'm happy to be all three of those happy to be gray. I'm a gay, happy to be Mexican. Happy to be a female. (Inaudible) I'm also great. Yeah, I'm happy to be all those things. So when an opportunity to work for the Superbowl and the NFL came open, because of these opportunities, it would have been crazy to say, oh, I'm not going to do it. Because I didn't get in just as a woman. These are opportunities that show up. nd they weren't asking that wasn't the only reason my portfolio matched it. Right. Right. Right. Right. But it was also the one of the things that helped get into that room.

Lesley Logan 37:22  

I actually love that you said this, because the statistics are that if a woman has eight or nine out of 10 qualifications that someone's asking for, they will say, Oh, I'm not ready, I won't apply. And a dude could have six out of 10 things. And he's like I'm applying. And I love that you're like, yeah, they were looking for these three demographic qualities I happen to fit in. But also your portfolio matches what they were looking for. Yeah. So I think that's really cool. Because so many people might have, for sure, I have gotten things like, thrive and like, oh, I got picked for that because I lived in L.A. and I was really close to that thing. And yes, but also, I still had to show up at the caliber they were expecting I still had to do that. So yeah, it might be my location, gave me a leg up but you still have to actually show up as what they're expecting or what they're needing.

Monica Linda 38:18  

And you also have you have to deliver the product. But working for agencies like that has literally changed my life. changed the game, changed my the quality of my work, it leveled me up on levels I didn't even know. It like, it like catapulted me into a new era of just different clients. The quality of work is faster, the way you engage, the professionalism, the time, the time. I recently saw somebody who I hadn't seen in four years and was like, oh my God, you almost look like a totally different person. But I'm so used to changing as time goes along on that I hadn't even noticed you know, the girl who quit her job in 2016 has made all this growth and it's it hasn't been it hasn't been easy. It there are moments that it's really, really hard. And then, but I continue to continually ask myself, Am I on path? What I think is interesting that's coming up that I'm going to tell now that I don't know where this is going. But it's fascinating to me. The concert series is blowing my effing mind.

Lesley Logan 39:27  

Like the Taylor Swift, the Beyonce, that kind of thing.

Monica Linda 39:30  

Like the Beyonce. We just did Karol G. She is the first Latina to ever sell out the Pasadena Rose Bowl stadium two nights in a row. No other Latina has ever done that before. We photograph that event. And we were we were here's where opportunity meets. We were booked by the actual stadium themselves because they needed revenue they needed to build revenue generated media. 

Lesley Logan 39:56  

Oh, okay. Okay, okay. This is just in total alignment with what you do. 

Monica Linda 40:00  

Total alignment with what I do. But what's so interesting is that you have these big, huge companies that are seeing content needs to be built. And they're reaching out to people. So this is an opportunity for everybody. They're reaching out to people like us because you think that these big organizations have staff, let me tell you, they do not. I'm consistently constantly surprised at how many of these big agencies do not have on staff people. So it is an opportunity every single time. But the concert series is really interesting, because I don't I don't like to photograph celebrities, just because they're celebrities. I'd really like to do it. Because when you meet them in person, they are bright. Their energy is magnetic. It literally gives me goosebumps, they are so full of their purpose. Do you know how hard it is to get in front of a stage of 300,000 people, 400,000 people and do your thing creatively? Yeah, like the energy of photographing that is just so amazing. And I'm predicting. And I recently said this the beginning of last year, I'm predicting that female entrepreneurs on stages will become rock stars. I am predicting that.

Lesley Logan 41:13  

I do agree. I think that's happening. Especially like the keynote speaker thing is really, really a thing. 

Monica Linda 41:19  

We're at the beginning part of it. 

Lesley Logan 41:20  

I agree. And I also am like, like, love Oprah. Hi, your people can call. But also I'm really excited because there's so many women of incredible thought concepts coming through that we could have 50 Oprahs instead of a Oprah. 

Monica Linda 41:37  

That's right. That's right. 

Lesley Logan 41:38  

I feel like there's over a hundred Oprah's. 

Monica Linda 41:40  

I feel like Oprah has led the way. I feel like so many people 

Lesley Logan 41:43  

Oh she really like forced the path. Thank God. 

Monica Linda 41:46  

Forced the path, but I can see it, I see it happening in front of my camera all the time, the level, the excitement, the enthusiasm that women entrepreneurs feel when they see their people on stage. I feel like though they're just going to be I think it's an opportunity for a lot of just females to become rockstars. 

Lesley Logan 42:03  

Yeah. And also, ladies, it's because all these are putting themselves in rooms. 

Monica Linda 42:08  

That's right. They're putting their stuff on stages. 

Lesley Logan 42:10  

This is the I think the thing that you and I met because we put ourselves in a room. And, hilariously, you have photographs of me putting myself in a room way before we actually like, consciously did it in a coaching group. I love how the world works. But when you put yourself in rooms, it is a game changer. It makes you be it till you see it on another level because you're in a room of people who don't know you yet. This is what I think if you were like, I don't know how to show up as me if you go back to Nikole Mitchell's episode, where she like literally moved town so she could like be the person she wanted to be because she couldn't do it at her own town. Because there's too many people who knew the old version of her that she wasn't in alignment with and she wasn't being authentic for. But when you put yourself even if you get like, I can't move, okay, put yourself in a group of people, you don't know anyone. And you can really show up as the person that you always wanted to be. And like we did that. And it really does help you because when you leave that room, you you dim your light, you're like, ooh, this is I'm feeling good because it felt really good yesterday when my light was much brighter, like you kind of it allows you to kind of be in that upper level you've always wanted to be in so you could be a rock star someday. 

Monica Linda 43:20  

Totally. And I feel like that's something when if I go back to the whole, like, networking thing, what you don't know if you have not put yourself into rooms like that, that has now happened is you whatever room you put yourself into, no matter what stage you're at, whether you're small or big, you actually do rise together. And I think that has been that has been so fun to participate in the people there are people that fall off. But there's some people that just have elevate at the same time. 

Lesley Logan 43:49  

Have you seen what Alex Reid is doing? It's insane. He is coaching some crazy amazing people. And when he was in that room with us, you guys, I think he's episode five or seven. Yeah, anyways, when he was in that room with us, he you know, he was at a crossroads he was like starting fresh and new and like he owned this like skill set that he didn't even value at the time he was like, I don't know, is this a thing and it's like such a thing and it's kind of crazy to watch him his star rise and just go (inaudible) star rise and all these different people it's like really so fun. I mean, I'm watching you and like it's today during our photoshoot. I was just like in this like moment of like such gratitude I was like, I can't believe like I'm so grateful that this woman is part of my life. And I then I am like thinking about all the powerful men that are like my girlfriends like my friends. And we're both friends with Korinne like, oh my God. Like, this girl as a friend of mine, like just amazing women. 

Lesley Logan 44:48  

I had the opportunity in April to go to a conference, She Who Wins, and it was just all these incredible women and I told the story on the pod months ago but this the keynote speaker I was like, in awe of her when she's speaking, sharing her part, I was just like, oh my God. And then because I was shining my bright light because I was in the space like, and I could like even shine even brighter because I was like, oh my God, I'm around all these people who don't even know and I'm like getting filled up, my my cup has been filled even more. And she comes up to the end of the thing. And she's like, you are like magnetic, I had been watching you all day, I need to know more about you. And I'm like, you want to mark me. You're the keynote speaker I want I'm like could you be on my podcast? But it's kind of crazy. When you put yourself in a room. Her bright light made my light, shine brighter. And it's so crazy. Because sometimes, oh, if I go in this room, there's been so much competition. There's me, all these people who do the same thing as me. That's like, that's not true. 

Monica Linda 45:45  

If you walk in thinking that way. Absolutely. That's going to be true. But if you walk in thinking, like, I just want to meet people who we can, like, hang out together, like just turn down the noise in your head just a little bit and just just walk in the room. Like I heard that quote from I think it was Jim Carrey, Jim Carrey says, when there's an opportunity, and it presents itself to you, I do not want you to think about what's on the other side of the door, what I want you to do is walk through the door, just walk through the door, because the universe, all the things on the other side, if they open the door for you are going to take care of you. I feel like the other thing, getting in these rooms really helps is if I see Lesley Logan making a million dollars or more. I can do it too. And I feel like getting yourself into rooms like that where people where it's for a second, you can see it's possible that the possible part will take you a long way. If they can do it, I can do it too.

Lesley Logan 46:49  

Yeah, you're in the room when when. Because I've been really like this before Brad came on my team. And I was like, you know, he was a reason he's the first person who told me I could make a million dollars. And I was like, I don't know how that's gonna happen. And then like, through life's obstacles, and just like the slog of him working on his own business, you know, there were some struggles and I it's not we lost our way at all, but it's just like it. It just felt like the million dollars is like never gonna happen. And then we put ourselves in that room. And we like we're doing some things and we're like, oh my god, we're gonna make a million dollars. We're gonna make a million dollars. It's gonna happen. And not that a million dollars is like you made it. I mean, at this point it's like nothing, but it's this like, opportunity of like, oh my god, if I can make a million dollars, that means I'm worth millions of dollars. Like that means I'm like, yeah, it's just like, it's this thing. And it does help you aspire to be more than you were yesterday. With Allen Stein Jr. on the beginning, like the first week of January of 2023. And he has a thing is how he ends every day is like, am I 1% closer to the man I want to be each day. And so it's not like the million dollars is my goal. It's not my goal. My goal is the impact I'm here to make on this planet. And and I get paid back in money. That's how energy works. But it's really like just having the opportunity to like when you put yourself in there you go through the door, you do see what's possible. And it might, it might not at all equal what you ever dreamed of. It's rarely ever as worse as you thought it could be. It's you know, it's like cement kind of somewhere in the middle and it really points in the next direction. The next hallway to go down where the next door is. But fuck yeah, you got to go through the door. Oh, Jim Carrey.

Monica Linda 48:33  

Jim Carrey. There's a documentary on I can't remember the documentary on Netflix. But he talks about the whole thing and I just feel like, every time I get a, you know, an inquiry like the Super Bowl or Karol G or Coldplay or Sting or the Hollywood Bowl

Lesley Logan 48:48  

Oh my are you doing Sting in Vegas?

Monica Linda 48:50  

I'm not confirming or denying

Lesley Logan 48:53  

Because I saw him in Vegas. So I'm just gonna say 

Monica Linda 48:55  

He's going to the Hollywood Bowl, but I can neither confirm nor deny any of those things. But I'm saying when those things present themselves, I could tell myself I'm this little girl from Texas who grew up in a trailer park I should not be photographing Sting. But there's also a part of me that says just be so awesome to photograph somebody who's so creative in his brilliance. 

Lesley Logan 49:19  

Oh, he's brilliant. 

Monica Linda 49:20  

That would just like that's the reason I don't I don't care about all the other stuff, but just the creative part of it. 

Lesley Logan 49:26  

Oh my God. So the next time you photograph me I'm gonna have Sting's photographer.

Monica Linda 49:32  

I can't. I'm super superstitious. I wish I could knock on wood has not happened but let's just say what's gonna happen.

Lesley Logan 49:41  

Yeah, okay, well well we'll we'll let you know guys we'll we'll we'll update on the FYF so have Monica do a Fuck Yeah Friday episode. Okay, we have to take a brief break you've given us so much I really hope everyone listening to this was like felt like a fly on the wall and was like yelling and screaming and clapping with us. I really hope that this really put some food for thought. But we're gonna come back. Find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 50:03  

All right, Monica, where do you like to hang out? What are your handles? How can people book a photo shoot with you so they shine fucking brighter?

Monica Linda 50:11  

I am not ashamed to say that I'm only on Instagram. Proudly. I do not feel the pressure tobbe on TikTok. Instagram is my home.

Lesley Logan 50:19  

I got on TikTok and I haven't posted anything in a fucking year and it was like you have to relog in I was like, well fuck that. I'm never doing that.

Monica Linda 50:25  

Let me be the first to tell you you do not need to have a proper you can not have a only profitable business if you do one social media. Just fucking pick one. Just pick one, everybody? So Instagram is where I live. 

Lesley Logan 50:37  

She's on Instagram. As Girl Squad

Monica Linda 50:39  

Girl Squad Media. 

Lesley Logan 50:40  

Yes. And if people want to get a photoshoot with you do they just hit you up there? 

Monica Linda 50:45  

Yeah, just hit me up on Instagram. You can also go to my website and fill out the the contact information. And my team will get back to you.

Lesley Logan 50:52  

Yeah, you're amazing team. Oh my God love them. And also sometimes you do like little pop up events in different places. So you guys don't have to be in Vegas or L.A. Like just contact you never know where she could be popping up. I mean, oh my goodness. She goes on tour with like, I don't know Beyonce or something like that. Maybe she'll be in your town. I'm just like, we're just dreaming big over here. So bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take what are some action steps people can take who are inspired by our conversation today?

Monica Linda 51:19  

Just pick a room that's a little bigger than you like a little bigger than where you feel like you are and just walk into it. Just do a lot of practice. Just keep doing it over and over. And you'll surprise yourself. You'll look back one day and be like, God, I've come a long way. Just get into a room that's a little bigger than you.

Lesley Logan 51:36  

I love that. That is the first time we've ever had that. Brilliant. Oh my gosh, Monica Linda. Girl Squad Media. I'm so fucking grateful that you're in my life. I fucking love you. I love I want to say this. Every time I see what you're doing. I love that I get to celebrate that. Like, I love the end ladies listening like I promise you on your worst day if you see someone doing something that you like, that is like a win or amazing or something that like is just bigger than you're like and you're low. You celebrate them, you instantly feel brighter. And you feel you actually take in that opportunity that inspiration because you know it's possible for you and so every time I see you do it like fucking she's a fucking (inaudible) doing this fucking thing that's so amazing. And I like celebrate it and then like good things happen that are big for me too like, it's not there's no fucking pie of success ladies, all of us can have exactly the life we want. If your life is not a photographer (inaudible) whatever your biggest dreams are, you can have them and your friends can have theirs. It doesn't take away from anyone else. So take up all the fucking space. Be it till you see it. Make sure you tag Girl Squad Media and the Be It Pod with your takeaways of this episode. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 52:57  

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Lesley Logan 53:24  

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Brad Crowell 53:28  

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Lesley Logan 53:32  

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Brad Crowell 53:32  

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Lesley Logan 53:39  

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Brad Crowell 53:49  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's fuck yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Hi, Be It babel Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It show. This is Friday, which means it's your short, your quickie, your inspiration, the reminder that you have more wins in your life than you think. And here we are the new year and oh my goodness, the pressure, the pressure. And even if you don't believe in the pressure, everyone's like asked what are you doing this year? What's your excitement? What do you do for the holidays? Do you think? And it's like, hopefully you did a lot of nothing. I hope you did. I hope you took some time for yourself. I hope you, hope you watched the sunrise or sunset. I hope you like did things with things (inaudible) in your ears and I hope you caught some fresh air even if it's cold and and you just took some time for yourself. I'm going to share one of your wins and then I'm going to share one of mine. That's how this episode goes. And we have amazing interviews all day long. And then the recaps, if you're not listening to them, you should, even if you don't listen to interviews because Brad and I say some funny things. Okay. The first one. Your win.

Lesley Logan 1:38  

Tami-Adrian George, this one's beautiful. So here's her win. A client who has been so depressed and has canceled everything else kept her appointments this week. It's baby steps reminder for her and for me. New prospective client I've been dating just booked for an intro session at her new at my new rate. Yeah, that's amazing. I love that. And it's so nice when you get a new client and then they pay your new rate. It's like a win. It is a win. You're calling it a win. Group call was so good yesterday. I did the replay during my pre-dinner walk. I heard new ideas I've never even considered and got reminded of the things I can let slip. That is why we do the group calls, Tami, as an Agency member and we do these group calls and even if you can't make them like just listening to them on your walk can make you go oh, I never thought about that. I never thought about that. So I love that you got that, Tami. 

Lesley Logan 2:25  

Okay, last one from Tami. My sister is healing so well from double mastectomy is after five months of chemo. That is a huge win. My son turned in his first college application for early decision which I had to use every ferocious tiger mom skill I possessed to make it happen because one university really screwed him over. Don't mess with the fam. Tami, you are nothing short of amazing. I love sharing Tami's wins with you guys because she is a wife and a mom and she runs her own business and she (inaudible) the house, bopping around, place to place. In fact, she has a course on how you can too, bop around from place to place and make your income doing that. And I love that she's got wins for her clients, she's got wins for her professional self, she's got wins for her family. And also that she's recognizing the strength and power that she has, you know, like one of the wins she just shared. So important that you hear this. One of the wins that she just shared came from a shitty situation, right? Well, actually a couple. Her sister having chemo, having to chemo but then her son's situation like the fact that she was able to just advocate for herself, for her son and do all this stuff to make sure that that happened. And then she celebrating the win that she did that. It's really, really important. You guys, we sometimes have these obstacles in our life. And we're like, why is this happening to me? And it's like, well, why is this happening for you? So you can see that you're like a fucking badass, your ferocious tiger mom skill. So thank you, Tami, for sharing that with all of us so we can celebrate you and my heart goes out to your sister and your family. Know you all are taking good care of her. And she's such a strong woman. 

Lesley Logan 3:56  

So okay, my win. We wrapped the tour, the tour is wrapped, you're not going to hear about the winter tour, except for and how much I loved it. And I miss it. Until the next winter tour. So I'm so proud of every single person that partnered with us, thank you to our sponsors to Balanced Body, and to the people who donated prizes along the way that could just make people feel special for showing up and doing something for themselves. Thank you to my team who made it our biggest tour you guys putting a 20-city tour together on top of all the things that we do - this podcast, Agency, OPC - mean for us to do a tour like that means I have, we have to be over a month ahead in everything because I won't have access to do any of that stuff. And so I just we it was amazing. It was awesome. It was just the best and the most people that we've ever been like an impact on a tour. It's kind of like what I dreamed the tours would be back in 2018 when we first started them. So thank you for loving the tours and for coming. And thank you to my entire team for every single part that you played to make sure that the tour could happen. So Brad and I and the dogs could enjoy ourselves and our families and all of you. So thank you so much that my win is that and that is a big win. Your wins don't have to be that big. They can literally be small. They can be like Tami's win about she has a new prospective client coming in for a new session on a new rate. That's a fucking great win. 

Lesley Logan 4:08  

So y'all make sure, it's day five of the month of the year. What can you celebrate already that you have done? Don't get hard on yourself in the things you failed in air quotes, because it just be back on do you need more time? Are you ready for that? Do you need to do something before you do that? Right, there's it's information we don't have to be perfect. We're all, we're all just trying here. 

Lesley Logan 5:43  

The affirmation, first one of the year, here it is. I am growing and I'm going at my own pace. I am growing and I am going at my own pace. Say that out loud. I am I growing and I am going at my own pace. Y'all are all going on your own pace. I'm on my own pace. We're on no race. And you are allowed to take as long as you need. As long as you need. Don't be hard on yourself if that's if you need more time. Take the time. Right? 

Lesley Logan 6:11  

Thank you so much for listening to podcasts. We have a great interview coming up for you on Tuesday. Brad and I have a fabulous fun recap. I'm sure it's hilarious, because I'm sure we're losing our minds by the time we recorded that one. So that means lots of funny things. Lots of snark come back and forth for you on Thursday. If you have any questions you can send them into the Be It Pod. If you have a win you want me to shout out for you send that to the Be It Pod and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 6:35  

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Lesley Logan 7:03  

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Brad Crowell 7:06  

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Lesley Logan 7:11  

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Brad Crowell 7:15  

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Lesley Logan 7:22  

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Brad Crowell 7:27  

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Dig into Christian de la Huerta's teachings on the ego mindset and its impact on our lives in today’s recap episode. Brad and Lesley discuss how breathwork can be a powerful tool in breaking free from ego-driven limitations and the role of breathwork in achieving a deeper sense of self.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The possibilities if you are kind to yourself and speak positively about your abilities.
• Why breathwork and shamanic experiences involve transcending the limited ego mind.
• Practical steps to overcome and understand how the ego mind works.
• How breathwork can change your life and help you become more aware of what's going on within us. 
• Why you should reflect on the lessons learned from past failures as valuable experiences.  

Episode References/Links:

• Christian de la Huerta Website - 
• eLevate Mentorship - lesleylogan.co/elevate
• Cambodia Waitlist - lesleylogan.co/retreats 
• Agency Mini 10 - profitablepilates.com/mini
• The Wheel of Time - https://a.co/d/7i97mGG
• Be a Happy Leader - https://a.co/d/0GY4B7d
• Awakening the Soul of Power - https://a.co/d/0GY4B7d
• Money: A Love Story - https://a.co/d/gGBRtuL
• We Should All Be Millionaires - https://a.co/d/aYzq8ID
• The Four Agreements - https://a.co/d/gnynUQa
• The Body Is Not an Apology - https://a.co/d/078hiHO
• E-Squared - https://a.co/d/1hlorD2
• The Body Keeps the Score - https://a.co/d/hqPoME
• Rachel White’s The Skeptical Shaman - https://www.totemreadings.com/
• Brene Brown Podcast Episode with Sonya Renee Taylor - https://beitpod.com/brenebrownpodcast

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

One of the things that I love that he said which is actually it goes back to what I was talking about with Sonny Renee Taylor is not only are we wasting our potential in terms what we think about but it's worse than that we do such a number on ourselves with our negative self talk. We feed the self doubt.

Lesley Logan 0:14  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 0:56  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Lesley and I are gonna dig into the restorative convo that she had with Christian de la Huerta in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this right now and look at Lesley's face on YouTube because I stole our intro and then go back and listen to Christian and Lesley chit-chatting, which was an amazing episode, like, really funny actually, I literally laughed out loud in the grocery store while I was listening to this, and then come back and listen to this one and join us for this recap. It's worth it y'all it's a good one.

Lesley Logan 1:34  

Oh my gosh. And you did it so well. It was your first try. Not really irritates me you did it so well. And it's your first try. I practice, I fuck it up all the time and you did it so random. 

Brad Crowell 1:49  

You do amazing, love, you do so well. I love it. Today is January

Lesley Logan 1:55  

No, it's my turn. It's my turn. My turn. It is National Can Do Day. Talk about it. Be it till you see it day. It encourages us to do things we are capable of doing and that we always dreamt of. It motivates us to concentrate our strengths and turn our dreams into a reality through determination and willpower. 

Brad Crowell 2:13  

Love it. National Can Do Day. 

Lesley Logan 2:17  

Yeah, I love a can-do attitude. 

Brad Crowell 2:19  

Yeah. I mean, you know what else? What is? What is be it till you see it? You know, what else is it? 

Lesley Logan 2:25  

Yeah. I can do it. You can do it. Today, we're in Sedona, Arizona. Love how that sounds. 

Brad Crowell 2:31  

That's the only reason I started remembering Sedona because I kept getting stuck with all the S's we've got Sarasota springs, we've got Saratoga, no Saratoga Springs, Sarasota, Florida. And then Sedona couldn't I just couldn't bring it up. But until they went Sedona, Arizona and Arizona, I was like it's in Arizona and Sedona, Arizona. 

Lesley Logan 2:53  

And also like we had some people were like, I want to have lunch with you. I'm like, I know, but I want to have lunch to this one spot. And they don't even know if it's on the route. But I want to have lunch to this one spot. 

Brad Crowell 3:02  

Sure, we'll figure it out (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 3:05  

So if you want to drive further up the road, then like we're gonna have lunch in this one spot. Anyways, so excited, it's the last stop.

Brad Crowell 3:12  

Holy macaroni. We have been on the road for 28 days, y'all. And we will be home tonight.

Lesley Logan 3:18  

I know. I know. I know. And then I kick off eLevate tomorrow. And so here is the deal y'all. 

Brad Crowell 3:24  

I guess we better make it home. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

Better make it home. (Inaudible) Here's the deal. If you were like fuck, I was gonna do that eLevate mentorship, I've been really wanting that. The kickoff call is something you could miss because we actually start in February.

Brad Crowell 3:38  

Yeah, the first weekend workshop is February. 

Lesley Logan 3:40  

My goal and hope is that this is filled with the 12 Amazing people by the time that this comes out, but it's possible that you could still get in because actually in round three, we had a girl, Alexis, who listens to this podcast. And she's like, I wonder if there's a spot and we happen to have someone had a family emergency drop out. And she got their spot. It's true one week before we started. So I'm just saying peeps, that could be you. It could be you and my mentorship is for teachers who are tired of burning out tired of pre-planning tired of feeling insecure, low confidence, imposter syndrome. And also we'd like to understand what Joe supplies why behind the what was. I'm gonna teach you that so lesleylogon.co/elevate is what you want to go to. 

Brad Crowell 4:21  

Do it.

Lesley Logan 4:21  

And then in a couple of weeks

Brad Crowell 4:23  

Stay tuned. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

If you are on the waitlist for the Cambodia retreat. 

Brad Crowell 4:27  

That's right. Key detail there. Those who are on the waitlist. On the waitlist.

Lesley Logan 4:34  

They get the best deal on the retreat and it will come into your inbox in a couple of weeks, mid-January. And then if there's any spots left we'll go public, but you won't get as good of a deal as it was on the waitlist. You go to lesleylogon.co/retreats plural retreat with an S, if you want to know what plural means, and I don't know sometimes my words don't sound right so I was like

Brad Crowell 5:01  

You're nailing it babe. That'll get you on the waitlist and then we will be emailing everyone in a few weeks. In a couple of weeks, sorry. And you will get the details on when we're going to Kampuchea, Cambodia.

Lesley Logan 5:04  

And then after we celebrate my birthday, it is Agency Mini Number 10. It's six years of Agency, our coaching group for fitness instructors, Pilates instructors and studio owners. And our agency is now six, six years old. And you wanna know something we have still two of the original members. 

Brad Crowell 5:33  

You wanna know something.

Lesley Logan 5:34  

You wanna know, you wanna know something. We have two, we have two of the original five members. Yes, that's right. Five people. Five people. And two are still with us. Way to go ladies. And then we have dozens who have been with us for five and then 

Brad Crowell 5:53  

Four, three, totally. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

If you go half our members have been with us for four like four or more. It's like just fucking awesome. Like, it's so fun to see what they're doing. We've got folks launching, we've got people buying extra studios, we've got people, it's just amazing. 

Brad Crowell 6:05  

Yeah, courses. Now they're leading retreats, they're they're doing all the things. It's like, really encouraging and exciting to see them build a solid foundation in their core business and then branch out. It's awesome. 

Lesley Logan 6:18  

But if you want seven days of coaching, getting any questions you ever had on your mind answered, honestly. And you want that for $67 or less? Yeah, you heard me right. $67 or less. You want to go to Agency Mini on the waitlist, its profitablepilates.com/mini.

Brad Crowell 6:39  

profitablepilates.com/mini. And I I'm not going to spill the beans, but we have a we've been making some changes, some very exciting changes in the program, and what it's going to look like after Mini is over. So I cannot wait to reveal all of that. To the Mini members. 

Lesley Logan 7:01  

All right. Before we get into the amazing interview that had you cracking up. I'm literally like, what, we were funny? I did love him. We have an audience question to answer. 

Brad Crowell 7:10  

Yes. What are the latest books that you are reading? 

Lesley Logan 7:15  

Yeah, I love answering this question. So you can keep saying I answered every several months because it comes through because there's different books. And Brad is like really into his books. But I'm

Brad Crowell 7:24  

Just super into ebooks. In fact, my books have taken over my podcast time and I have not listened to podcasts now in two months.

Lesley Logan 7:32  

Wow. I know more than you that's happening in the world. 

Brad Crowell 7:34  

Yeah, yeah. 100%. I'm, like completely disconnected, which is really weird for me, because I'm a political news junkie. And I love to stay up on everything. And I have been sucked into these books that 

Lesley Logan 7:47  

You wanna tell them what the books are?

Brad Crowell 7:48  

Yeah. Yeah, I started reading this series when I was probably 10. Maybe 12? I don't know. I guess I was in middle school. So, 13, 13 because that's when I got into seventh grade. My friends, we're reading them. It's a it's a series called The Wheel of Time. It's by Robert Jordan. He is he kind of picked up the mantle of the epic saga that was created by you know, the the Lord of the Rings series and 

Lesley Logan 8:18  

The hero's journey. 

Brad Crowell 8:20  

Yeah, this is this is it's it goes on and on and on. But this this one is amazing. Robert Jordan really took it to the next level. It's 15 books in the series. And each book is probably between 500 and 1000 pages pages long. And I've been listening to them on audiobooks. And I can't recommend that enough. It is just an unbelievable journey. And it's awesome. So yeah, for me, that's what I've been really spending my free time with. And the other day I went and I downloaded a whole bunch of business books, and I looked at him and said, I do business all day for my job. And my listening time is me time. And so I've been just enjoying my books.

Lesley Logan 9:08  

Yeah. Well, I love that. My books are all probably business.

Brad Crowell 9:14  

That's okay. That's not a bad thing.

Lesley Logan 9:18  

So I should have wrote this down. It's Tia Graham's book. Something about happy leaders to Graham. What is her book? She's gonna be on the podcast. 

Brad Crowell 9:28  

Be a Happy Leader: Stop Feeling Overwhelmed. 

Lesley Logan 9:32  

Yes. So she I'm reading her book, or by the time you've listened to this I've read her book. I'm really excited about it. Also Awakening the Soul of Power is Christian's latest book and it is also was traveled with me on this tour for me to read into which was already started it before I interviewed him and I'm finishing it. And then I started listening to Money: A Love Swith Kate Northrup, which is an old book but I just heard about it. And it made me think of We Shall be Millionaires. And which I still want. I still want the author of We Shall Be Millionaires on this podcast. My listeners, I need your help. I need her to want to be on my podcast y'all.

Brad Crowell 10:17  

Rachel Rogers. 

Lesley Logan 10:18  

Rachel Rogers. She's amazing. She's amazing. And then we're actually doing the book list for next year's book club for Agency members, which is completely voluntary, and they're not allowed to be overwhelmed by being in the book club. They are supposed to be a responsible book lover, which is, you won't read the book if you're overwhelmed. And one of the books that we're actually thinking of bringing in is the Four Agreements, which is old easy, you guys. I read it on a flight to Nashville, and I finished it before the fight was over. And I was a little pissed. But it's such a great it's like essential rules to live by. I really love that one. And it makes me think of one more book that I probably mentioned before the holy fucking moly, it's January, let's bring it up. 

Brad Crowell 11:05  

I already know where you're going. 

Lesley Logan 11:06  

Do you?

Brad Crowell 11:07  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 11:07  

The body is not an apology. 

Brad Crowell 11:09  

No, that's not what I thought you're gonna say. 

Lesley Logan 11:11  

Well, then you can bring that up what you thought I was gonna say. 

Brad Crowell 11:13  

I don't know the name of it, but it's the one the 

Lesley Logan 11:17  

The Big Leap. 

Brad Crowell 11:17  

That one where you pour coffee for two preconceived

Lesley Logan 11:21  

Oh, shit. That's a good one. Okay. Well, let me get to all those in a second. So The Body is not an Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor. I highly recommend the audible on that. She reads it herself. And then I also recommend you listening to her interview on Brene Browns podcast years ago, I listened to it in 2020 might have been 2021. And y'all have got to stop shaming and judging yourself about your body and punishing yourself. Nothing pissed me off more than two days after Thanksgiving. Watching every fitness thing out there going. All right, here's your workout to burn off that Turkey. We do not work out to punish ourselves for what we did two days ago. We work out to be stronger, to have longevity, to have better posture to have energy, stamina, strength, positivity, confidence, all the things we have to. So anyways, The Body is no an Apology is an amazing book. And I highly recommend that interview with her because it really helps you go whoa, me being distracted by what I think people are staring at, which they're not, is keeping you from being super powerful in this world. And that's put the people in power want because then you're not able to kick their pedestal out. Anyways. You're talking about the, not The Big Leap, but the other one. Oh, E-Squared, E-Squared, Pam Grout. It's a little blue. But I think you should do it. Because I poured coffee for two and I have a husband. I'm just

Brad Crowell 12:55  

That's the secret y'all. 

Brad Crowell 12:56  

That's the secret. 

Lesley Logan 12:57  

You automatically, you magically get a husband if you pour coffee for two.

Lesley Logan 13:00  

It was like chapter four. That's actually I don't know that was in the book. But chapter four or five was like 

Brad Crowell 13:05  

Pam Grout is gonna be so excited about hearing (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 13:07  

Pam Grout, come on the podcast. 

Brad Crowell 13:08  

Come on the podcast. 

Lesley Logan 13:09  

How do we get Pam Grout get oh Google alert about us. Pam Grout let's say it one more time. But she I don't even know where the if the coffee for two came from E-Squared. But what did come from E-Squared was me writing your name down and hoping that you would like not hoping but like you write the name down and then like the universe makes you call me. So anyways, all those books are amazing

Brad Crowell 13:32  

She has a new one. E-Cubed. 

Lesley Logan 13:34  

It's not that new. And I haven't read it yet. But I will. Maybe I'll read that next.

Brad Crowell 13:41  

All right, now let's talk about Christian de la Huerta. Christian is a renowned spiritual teacher and transformation coach. He's an award-winning author who has spoken at universities, conferences and TEDx talks. His latest book, Awakening the Soul of Power, explores themes of empowerment, conscious relationships, and spiritual transformation. Listening to him was so peaceful. 

Lesley Logan 14:10  

I know I want him to do a sleep story. Christian, if you're listening, do you have a sleep story? If you don't may recommend that you just read someone else's stories. Like any story, it can be Baa Baa Black Sheep, whatever it is, and put it on Spotify. I need about eight hours of it and I will out you can just be my sleep. Um, this is my request. This is my you know, like, just love him. And so he's just a gentle soul. And when I was talking to him, I was like, Oh, where are you? And he's like, where am I? He was like in Colombia. And he's living the Nomad life. And I just really love that about him. He's just, you know, he's doing his thing and he's so easy to talk to. His book is full of all this amazing stuff. And one of the things that I love that he said, which is actually it goes back to what I was talking about with Sunday morning Taylor is not only are we wasting our potential in terms of what we think about but it's worse than that we do such a number on ourselves with our negative self-talk. We feed the self-doubt. 

Lesley Logan 15:10  

So we are so good at overthinking negative stuff about ourselves. And then it's, you think it's just happening in your brain. But y'all, it is happening to your body. And then it is out also affecting how you show up in this world. You are dimming your fucking light so much, people don't, people don't get to experience what you are the only person in this world who can do what you do, you're it. And like you. I was talking to Jessica Pompano today. And she was, we have a podcast episode come out with her, and we're talking about how she's in clothing and styling and like women who don't like a part of their body, they'll just wear bigger baggier clothes to hide it. And she's like, that actually isn't making you feel good either. Because you just wearing a bigger baggier clothes. And her big thing is about highlighting your biggest asset, and what that does for us. And so I just I say this, because if you are sitting here being hard on yourself at any point, in your day you are taking, you're literally holding yourself back from hitting the goals that you have. Because you're slowing yourself down. Because why on earth if you judge yourself for how you look? Or how you said something, or how you did something? How is that also going to have the energy to like, take on a new challenge? You've killed all your powerful energy. Yeah, you're like, if you think of a video game, it's like when you get hit by like, you get that little warning shot where your power goes down. And then like that you did that that's you talk to you about yourself and like, oh, but I'm going to take on this big powerful like ruler boss, right? You can't do it.

Brad Crowell 16:57  

I mean, I think about like Mario Kart, you know, when you are going full speed and you you got hit by a shell. You're okay, your momentum is gone and have to work your way back up to that full speed. 

Lesley Logan 17:09  

It's so much harder to do it. It's so much harder. Could you win? Sure. I've won many video games that I play with, like my worst little guys. Because like after hours of playing it going, that's gonna go. But if you if you were actually to be kind yourself, talk yourself up. Imagine what you could do. And I look, if you're a narcissistic asshole, that's probably a dangerous thing. But if you listen to this podcast, it's because you're not. So I don't feel bad. And I'm not worried about this information being in your ears.

Brad Crowell 17:41  

You know, he talked about the limiting role of our ego. When he was discussing the benefits of breathwork and its healing effects. You guys had a quick super side note here, I thought was really interesting that he was raised in super Catholic family, and then got into, like, the healing nature of breathwork and how much of a problem his parents had with that. And instead of him like, not going to be a doctor, psychologist, I mean, that I thought was really funny. But he said that both breathwork and shamanic experiences involve transcending the limited ego mind and experience a sense of expanding identity. This is a lot too, for me to like, be like, Yeah, I'm excited about that. But 

Lesley Logan 18:29  

You just said shamanic, which is 

Brad Crowell 18:31  

I did say shamanic. It's shamanic.

Lesley Logan 18:33  

Yeah. But also like, I never like 

Brad Crowell 18:35  

Shaman. 

Lesley Logan 18:36  

Yeah. We just had a shaman on so like, we're, just a skeptical shaman. 

Brad Crowell 18:41  

A skeptical shaman, yeah, skeptical shaman, badass. Breathwork and shamanic experiences evolve, transcending the limited ego mind. And I think that's actually the clutch. The the, that's the crux of it is the the ego is the limiting factor. Right? We all have ego, whether you are like this, you know, verbose, arrogant, like in your face, like ego, or you're diminutive and soft spoken. And whatever. 

Lesley Logan 19:18  

Oh. By the way, being a people pleaser is your ego. 

Brad Crowell 19:20  

That's well, that's, that's what I mean. It's exactly it's the opposite of the, you know, the arrogant fool. But it's still ego. It's actually still ego. It's just the other side of the spectrum of ego. And we all deal with these things. And so he kind of talks about the limited ego mind, which I've never heard it phrased that way before, and how breathwork can help break through and shamanic experiences. You know, I didn't really understand all the things he was talking about with that, but you know, specifically the breathwork part I can can relate to because that is in my life, mostly through you, Lesley, but you know, our ego can dominate everything, it dominates the way that we perceive ourselves the way we perceive others. 

Brad Crowell 20:14  

And, you know, ultimately, his conclusion is that it's an illusion, right? Even if, like, I thought it was interesting, like he'd started talking, go like on another level where he's like, Yeah, you know, you're Lesley, but even Lesley's an illusion. And I was like, okay, I might not be there quite yet. But, you know, I understand where he's going with how the way we perceive ourselves the way we define ourselves, you know, our worldview, like, however you want to call this thing. You know, it's a story we've made up, you know, whether that is a story that we were taught when we were kids, and we adopted and we're holding that on to today? Or, you know, it's something that we've told ourselves the whole time, you know, or or, you know, I just found it really interesting that his focus on breathwork was to battle ego. 

Brad Crowell 20:26  

Yeah, well, because the, the actual thing is that trauma leaves the body through movement and breath. So, I'm not denouncing therapy, I fucking love my therapist, but she's also a somatic therapist. So we did a lot of like, different kinds of things there. But you can talk things out all you want. But if you really want to release some things in your life, it's probably happening through your movement as well. So if you find yourself crying or frustrated

Lesley Logan 21:08  

Well, what's the book, the body never forgets? 

Lesley Logan 21:40  

The Body Keeps the Score.

Brad Crowell 21:41  

The Body Keeps the Score. Yeah. And that very interesting, because the movement is what release release that the trauma through the like the book that we're talking about in that book

Lesley Logan 21:53  

Actually, just a little side note, we actually have a course on Profitable Pilates that is from a true therapist, licensed therapist. That is, I was really excited to get on our site, because as teachers, you don't even want to be a teacher, you guys, if you have a friend who just like our family member or something like you're like, what is happening, like, everything was good, and now you're crying? And we're like, It's okay. You're okay. Everything's okay. Like when babies are crying like, you're okay, you're fine. What if you actually said, how long have you been feeling this way? How long have you been feeling this way. And that's what (inaudible) gave us, as teachers to ask people, because I've had clients on myself, like you're just crying. And it's like, and you're embarrassed and other stuff, and what the person says next can make you bottle it back up, or let it go. And if you're someone who's around someone who's like, having some sort of release, and oftentimes don't even know what they're releasing, because we're going back to Dr. Bender's episode, she's like, don't try to reason with what you're feeling. Because logic is probably going to be wrong. If you just say how long you've been feeling this way, it allows the person to just like take a moment and pause and actually kind of be with what they're feeling as opposed to bottling it back in. And as a teacher, it is actually out of my scope to therapize anyone. So the next step, I could say is like, well, you know, if you feel like this is something you are needing to work on, you know, may I suggest a few things, right? So like, and then I can recommend, I actually cannot actually give true, like, go see this person technically. But that is something for those of you it's a really great response and saying it's okay, or I'm sorry, those two phrases, actually are not the best phrases as a response for someone who is releasing something from their body. And as a breathwork professional, when someone is crying in breathwork, actually, do try not to actually acknowledge it all. Because I don't want them to, I don't know what their tendencies are. So if their tendency is to do things for attention, if I were to acknowledge that then I could be going into that. So it is more important that you just release it, and then we don't attach anything to it, that you just get to let it go like a cloud going by. So at any rate, I think it's really important to know it's okay to feel weird things when you're moving.

Lesley Logan 22:10  

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, uh, it's been a long time since I've experienced that because I remember the reason that I started going to yoga in the first place, you know, because it just felt like trash. You know, in my mind, my body wasn't like, hurting so much. But my I just felt like a terrible human. And, and it took a long time to work through that. But yoga really helped me in that movement. But just bringing it back to Christian overcoming the ego's limitation is essential for self-awareness and spiritual growth and how do you overcome the ego? You have to understand how the ego mind works. And he has a book about that. And he actually has practical steps in that book. And the book is Awakening the Soul of Power. 

Brad Crowell 24:34  

You guys, Gloria Estefan, she wrote a little quote for him. And I'm sorry, Christian, I'm just gonna say this. I saw her name. And I was like, I love Gloria Estefan, so of course, I read your book. But I love it. It's so good. I'm so glad I'm so grateful for Gloria Estefan.

Brad Crowell 25:58  

But But in I thought, I thought what was interesting was that he has practical steps to understand the ego.

Lesley Logan 26:07  

Yeah, which we all need to understand because there's that there's other there's tons of books on ego. But 

Brad Crowell 26:14  

We've talked about ego as the enemy before. 

Lesley Logan 26:16  

Yeah. And also like, I'm sure it's great. I know you've read it. But I also think like, great, it's the enemy. Now what, what do you do about that? And that's where I think Christian book comes in, because it's like, here's what the ego is, and here's how you can work with it. And so you guys, if you are struggling with imposter syndrome, if you are people pleasing, if you're playing small, it's all ego

Brad Crowell 26:42  

If you're afraid to talk to people to sell them Pilates. 

Lesley Logan 26:45  

Right. Or if you are afraid to put your, ladies we already know this, the science is in, If you have nine out of 10 requirements for a job, you don't apply. That's ego. You think you need that 10th thing before you can apply for something, that's your ego, you know.

Brad Crowell 27:03  

Or if you feel like you need another certification in order to be qualified that's also ego.  

Lesley Logan 27:10  

So um, so anyways, Christian is amazing, I really hope we get to run into him. I mean

Brad Crowell 27:17  

He's like bopping around the wall.

Lesley Logan 27:18  

Bopping around, but if you have like a retreat or something and like, you know, send your girl a note.

Brad Crowell 27:25  

I think he does. He did mention retreats. 

Lesley Logan 27:27  

Oh, we should go on one. What a vacation. 

Brad Crowell 27:29  

That'd be amazing. 

Lesley Logan 27:30  

Let's do it. I'm in. Okay, I'm in. Whatever it is, I'm in. 

Brad Crowell 27:34  

All right, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Christian de la Huerta. He said, deepen your relationship with the breath. Because doing so can change your life. He talked about short, long, breathwork sessions, like could be 30 seconds, it could be 90 minutes. One thing he also mentioned that I thought was interesting was it's the exhale that people don't focus on. Because when you don't exhale enough, you end up taking in you're inhaling really shallow breaths. 

Lesley Logan 28:16  

Yeah. And Joseph Pilates was really big on the exhale. He said if you don't exhale, your lungs are a cemetery for disease and infection. 

Brad Crowell 28:24  

Well, I mean, it affects everything. You know. 

Lesley Logan 28:28  

Also shallow breath just starts causing stress. So.

Brad Crowell 28:31  

But uh, you know, he said that, it can, if you want, he started talking about putting a timer on your phone, where you can just take a quick evaluation of yourself, like, every hour on the hour, like, use that to be like, how do I feel right now? You know, do I, should I do (inhale-exhale) you know, like, can you how can that like, what happens if you do that? You know, and you also complimented him on how he looks? And he's like, I attribute it to breathwork 100%.

Brad Crowell 28:31  

Because he's not. He's young, obviously. 

Brad Crowell 28:39  

But he's been doing this for 30 years. 

Lesley Logan 28:45  

He how old is he? Because I think we (inaudible) his age. 

Brad Crowell 28:58  

He didn't say. 

Lesley Logan 28:59  

Oh, okay, well, I feel like I know. And he looks really good.

Brad Crowell 29:20  

Yes. But he said that it's about becoming more mindful, attentive and more aware of what's going on within us when you notice your breath. What about you?

Lesley Logan 29:30  

Okay, so he said, we talked about missed opportunities, and the things we don't intend to do because we're fear of failure. But he actually believes there's no such thing as failure. Because if you learn from it, then it's not failure at all. We're actually becoming better human beings from it. And what I I really love about that is like if there's anything you feel you failed at, what if you actually just took a look back what you learned from that? And then can you just change that from failure to experience or achievement even, you know like God I fucking I you know what? I'm so pissed at the A's straight A's and the F's from the great I'm not saying I'm for everyone gets a trophy. I'm not that girl. Don't worry about it. There's a ton of psychology on how that doesn't work. But the fact that we are so obsessed as children at a certain age, it happens around Junior High sixth grade with what letter is on your report card, which is just how you test, it has nothing to do with the journey that got you to the test, pisses me the fuck off because it made me this overachiever just fucking stressed case sometimes. Thank God for breathwork and my (inaudible) mat and my red lights and all the things. But I, what I hope as a recovering perfectionist and overachiever, I have been able to do is like, I am very proud of how we do not harp on the goals we've missed. We really do go, well, we didn't do that. Okay, we didn't do that. We should have done this. Okay, we didn't do that. Okay, well, what can like we do it as a team, which makes it really helpful. So may I suggest, you don't need to have a teammate to do this, but before you start harping on yourself about something you didn't do well, I don't know. Maybe you introduced yourself, weirdly, or you like stumbled into an interview and like you feel like you embarrass yourself. Just take a moment and go what did I learn from that? And what if that isn't a failure? And by the way, if your best friend told you about this, would you go you fucking failed? God, you, like you wouldn't do it. So like, what would you say if your best... jeez, you suck. Like, God, how many times are you gonna fail? Like, what if you treated yourself in that moment, like your best friend went through that and what would you say to that person? Right. So Christian, can we be friends? Okay, sign me up for the next retreat. I'm in. And also, thank you for being here. And this amazing book is just wonderful. And it's the next read y'all so check out the show notes and get your version.

Lesley Logan 29:44  

 All right, loves I'm Lesley Logan. 

Lesley Logan 32:11  

And I'm Brad Crowell and you just missed the hilarious joke. 

Lesley Logan 32:16  

We're amazing. 

Brad Crowell 32:17  

We're amazing. 

Lesley Logan 32:18  

So is Christian. So are you. So how are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag the Be It Pod. Tag Christian, he's gonna want to hear from you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 32:28  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 32:30  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 32:58  

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Brad Crowell 33:01  

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Lesley Logan 33:06  

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Brad Crowell 33:10  

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Brad Crowell 33:16  

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In this enlightening episode, guest speaker, Christian de la Huerta—an acclaimed spiritual teacher and author, delves into the profound effects of breathwork and mindfulness. Embark on a journey of self-discovery, and learn how simple practices can lead to significant personal transformation. Christian's insights offer practical tools for emotional regulation and cultivating a deeper sense of self-awareness.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The transformative power of breathwork in personal growth.
• Techniques for enhancing mindfulness and self-awareness.
• Understanding and overcoming the limitations of the ego.
• The importance of reclaiming personal power for a fulfilling life.
• Utilizing visualization and the mind's potential for change.

Episode References/Links:

• Christian de la Huerta’s Website: Soulful Power
• Get Christian's book "Awakening the Soul of Power"
• Book mentioned, “Breath” by James Nestor
• Read about the prisoner of war, Major Nesmeth in “A 2nd Helping of Chicken Soup for the Soul”

Guest Bio:

With 30 years of experience, Christian de la Huerta is a sought-after spiritual teacher, personal transformation coach and leading voice in the breathwork community. He has traveled the world offering inspiring and transformational retreats combining psychological and spiritual teachings with lasting and life-changing effects. An award-winning, critically acclaimed author, he has spoken at numerous universities and conferences and on the TEDx stage. His new book, Awakening the Soul of Power, was described by multiple Grammy Award–winner Gloria Estefan as “a balm for the soul of anyone searching for truth and answers to life’s difficult questions” and has received a Nautilus Book Award, a Global Book Award, a Book Excellence Award, and a Nonfiction Book Award. I’m an award-winning, bestselling author, spiritual teacher, personal transformation coach and TEDx speaker. My latest book, Awakening the Soul of Power was described by music icon Gloria Estefan as “a balm for the soul of anyone searching for truth and answers to life’s difficult questions.” Themes include personal empowerment, women’s empowerment, conscious relationships, life purpose, spiritual transformation; hero's journey; modern-day heroes. Why do we have an ambivalent relationship to power and end up giving it away? How do we avoid or better navigate power struggles? Why should men be practicing feminine power?

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Episode Transcript:

Christian de la Huerta 0:00  

I can't tell you how many people I've worked with who were raped or who were sexually abused or some traumatic experiences like most of us have had. And that stuff gets healed and quickly. And you know, with all due respect to psychotherapy, and in the right hands with clear intentions and goals, it can be profoundly supportive and transformational.

Lesley Logan 0:21  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:04  

All right, Be It babe, get ready. This is one of the most unique, genuine, eye-opening, mindful, the last episode. Just gonna say it all right now. Christian de la Huerta is our guest, and he is an incredible author and just I mean, world-renowned person who's gonna help you with your mindfulness. And I'm just really honored that we got to have him as a journey for us both. We both had a little scheduling thing. And you know, when those things happen was like, oh, gosh, I like hate canceling or I hate, like he had to reschedule the whole day. It's like, all these things. And also, the best thing that happened is when this interview happened, because it was the best day for this interview to happen. And when you're hearing it is the best day for you to hear it. It's coming to you when you are ready to hear it. And I think that's really important. Because I think we can be really hard on ourselves going, oh, gosh, I wish I should have learned that sooner. I should have done that sooner. Oh my gosh, I've only known this sooner. Your ears on mine are ready to hear it today. And we're talking about healthy sources of power and finding your own and be more mindful. And oh my goodness, when you figure out sort of the ego on my mind was blown. So lots of good stuff in this episode. So here is Christian de la Huerta. 

Lesley Logan 2:23  

All right, I have an incredible, incredible guest today. I'm really excited. I think we're going to learn so much about ourselves in this world. And our guest today is Christian de la Huerta and I am so excited to have him on the show. Finally, it's been a long time coming. So Christian, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Christian de la Huerta 2:43  

Happy to be here with you. It has been a long time brewing. Well, I've been doing life coaching, executive coaching, retreats, you know, from a psycho-spiritual perspective for over 30 years now. I was born in Cuba, I was raised in the US since I was 10. So how you show that immigrant experience, and probably the the healing modality that I use most within my work, in addition to the cognitive, you know, personal transformational aspect of the work, I'd use breathwork as a healing modality, which is incredibly powerful and works very effectively. 

Lesley Logan 3:25  

Yeah, I know that well. Over the pandemic, I finally was able to, like dive in and get my own training under that because I, I loved it so much. I'm kind of like, oh, once I love something, I'm gonna go learn it. Because I like to. I like to know the ins and outs of how it works. Like it's 30 years of coaching people in that way that you don't look old enough to do that. I guess I want to know, like how you got started in doing that 30 years ago, because I feel like you know, you're may have been too young to have the life experiences to do that. But maybe you don't need that. So how are you? How did you get started? And and what led you to breathwork?

Christian de la Huerta 4:01  

Well, I'm actually older than I look. Which I think is a testament to the breath work actually and to you know, meditation and having inner peace and being able to look at yourself in the mirror and smile at the end of the day and to sleep well I think that says a lot for for the quality of life and how we age. You know, I was I come out of the psychotherapy tradition. My dad was a psychiatrist. I was going for a PhD degree in psychology until I had my first breathwork experience. And then Lesley, I jumped tracks. I was so just blown away by it that I had to do it again. And I had to make it available to others. And I've you know, been all over the world. Sharing this practice with countless people. Yeah. And it just works, you know, it works fast. I haven't really studied breathwork like the lot of studies they've done meditation and what's happening in the brain when we meditate? I'm sure it's a very similar process for breathwork. But they're just now starting to research. What, what, how does it work? Exactly, yeah. But I think it's ultimately a mystery. But I can't argue with results, it works. And it has permanent effects, and it heals, I don't know, anything more effective in terms of healing past trauma. And I'm talking serious stuff, I can't tell you how many people I've worked with, who were raped, or were sexually abused, or some traumatic experiences like most of us have had, and that stuff gets healed and quickly. And, you know, with all due respect to psychotherapy, and in the right hands with clear intentions and goals, it can be profoundly supportive and transformational. And, you know, we all know that you can sit on somebody's couch for for 10, 20, 30 years, rehashing the same old crap and nothing really happens. And the reason for that is, you know, that that trauma no longer lives in the mind, it's descended into the body and has been semanticized. So it's in the cellular, and the tissues of the body. So no amount of talking at it isn't gonna really get to it. So breathwork, like, a couple of other practices, bypasses the mind, and it goes to the source of the trauma in the body, and it clears it. And amazing, amazing things happen.

Lesley Logan 6:26  

Yeah, it is kind of interesting. You know, I came across, I did breathwork, you know, in some different yoga classes where people were trained, but I never really like, knew all the things about it. Like it wasn't a practice of mine. And then I had a girlfriend because Emma's a Pilates instructor one of the girls. So just Pilates is very big on breath, he actually has a quote in his book, above all else learn how to breathe. Most people, their lungs are a cemetery for disease, because they're not actually exhaling, he was like, very big on like, gotta get the air out, and was very big on his breath. And so if you actually look at the Pilates exercises, very few of them ever hold the breath. Most of them are out moving the breath out. And he had like a breath aside, there's this very big on it. So quite interested in this one girl in this class I was taking, she brought up, you know, the book Breathe, which I'm sure you've heard of a million times and more, but like she brought up and how like, our facial bones continue to change in our life. And I was like, hold on, what do you mean they continue to change? So I got really interested in like reading the book. And what I discovered in that book is what you just said, like, there's still not a lot of information known about why it works. Just like the, you know, people were doing amazing things. And they're like, oh, that person's not a doctor, we're not going to pay attention to what they're doing. And I think that's a shame for a lot of things in this, you know, a lot of the tools that work out there, because the people creating them, we're not doctors, we don't look at them. So I find it really interesting for the person who's listening who's like, you guys keep bringing up breathwork. What is it? And how, like, what are the benefits? Can we just like, take a one-on-one level on that? Can you explain to people like what when you talk about breathwork, what it is?

Christian de la Huerta 8:04  

Sure, I mean, we should acknowledge that breathwork is a very large umbrella term. Right. So under there, we can find the type of breathing techniques and practices that you do at the end of yoga class. And there's a lot of different I mean, there's a lot of breathing practices for relaxation, to sleep better for stress reduction, there are other other reading techniques that if you want to, rather than reaching for the for the coffee cup after lunch, if you do certain breathing practices, it energizes you and brings focus to your mind, the kind of breath work that we're talking about here, it's longer you breathe in a certain way, in a certain conscious, intentional, connected way for about an hour, an hour and a half. Some practices even go longer than that. And amazing things happen. Just like not only does it heal in all those ways that we were talking about. 

Christian de la Huerta 8:54  

But people have incredibly profound altered state of consciousness. Like often, I'll hear people, you know, from people who come Breathe with me that they got to the same place that they did on a sacred plant medicine journey. And I think part of what's happening in both of those modalities, whether we're used to talking about the breath, or those other kind of more shamanic experiences is that we're tapping out of the limited ego mind, you know, that that sense of personal identity. You know, like, this is Christian, that's Lesley, which is ultimately an illusion. It's, it's not real, but it's both a helpful illusion and the source of all our pain and suffering. And once we pop out of that little limited perspective, then we have what we, you know, we call magic miracles because we like the terminology for it. Like a great metaphor to think about it a great visual if you put a baseball in the center of a stadium. That's what the ego mind is, who we are, is actually the stadium and we've allowed this tiny, tiny, tiny part of who we are to think that it is all who we are. And to make really important, significant, consequential choices about our lives about our relationships, from its very small, limited and always fear-based perspective. So for anybody who is on a journey of awakening, or remembering or empowerment, first step, as far as I'm concerned, is understanding how the ego mind works.

Lesley Logan 10:29  

That is, I've never had anyone describe it as like, the ego is the ball in a stadium, and we are the stadium, like, that's freaking powerful to think that, like, we're so much bigger than we give ourselves credit.

Christian de la Huerta 10:42  

Yes, we're like playing so small. And like, we were just now beginning to explore the potential of the human mind. It is so powerful. I mean, it's so many studies of just even the power of visualization. You know, for example, one that I was looking up the other day, they compare to two different groups, you know, same kind of comparable groups in terms of what made up the group, one group went to the gym and had this particular routine that they did for X period of time, the second group did the same routine, except they only visualized it, they sat at home and they did this whole routine in their mind. After the you know, whatever the length of period it was the the gym goers I think they had like a 30% increase in body and muscle mass. The people who just visualize that had a 70% increase in body mass, almost half. The result just from using the mind. The power of the mind is just amazing.

Lesley Logan 11:43  

Yeah, it's, it's I it made me think of the story. I can't remember which book I read it in, but like there was a prisoner of war in Vietnam. And they, you know, every single day, they picture themselves doing 18 holes of the golf course, back home, like that was like how they kind of like, spent their day like distract themselves from being in this prison camp. And they're not being fed all like, there's not been protein there. decondition anyways, he finally gets out, he gets home to the States and his friends, like, what do you want to do? And he's like, I want to go play a round of golf. And they're like, 18 holes, you've been in prison for over a year, like you haven't, there's no way you have the stamina. And he had visualized doing a par on every single hole. And sure enough, he did it. Because like his brain had, like, memorized it so much. It's like such a powerful thing. And we I finally we let our minds wander and let it say a bunch of things about to ourselves that aren't even true. Like, I find that people don't, either they think visualization is frivolous, and then they should be doing something else. So like, what are some steps that people should be thinking about when they visualize because I think that it's actually, it seems so simple, and also so difficult for us? 

Christian de la Huerta 12:53  

Well, and the thing, I think that you just pointed to me, not only are we wasting our potential in terms of what we think about, but it's worse than that, you know, we do we do such a number on ourselves with all the negative self-talk, we feed the self-doubt, we feed all of our words, I mean, the things we tell ourselves inside of our heads, we would never say to anybody else, that and that's also part of understanding what the ego mind is, because that is the function of the ego mind. That's, that's where that that inner judge that harsh inner judge, it is the ego mind. So there's a whole other layer of, of understanding. And so first step is becoming aware. So paying attention to our thoughts, and what's in what we're doing to become more mindful about what we're thinking about, because we really, our minds have really limitless potential. And we're not only wasting it, but using it for negative purposes, what I call the self-inflicted mind, F. Yeah. 

Christian de la Huerta 13:55  

And so, to me, that would be step one is to become aware of what we're doing. Because the thing is that we're going through our lives, and we don't even know why we do the things we do. Like we haven't examined our belief systems. We've just taken things for granted, because that's the way our parents did them and their parents before him and their parents before that. But we haven't really stopped to question for the most part. You know, why we believe in the things we do and why we do the things we do and why we get triggered? Why do certain people trigger us and others don't? Certain situations? So if we want if we're on a journey of personal empowerment, that those are like, rate beginning steps. Start paying attention. And even if you like, set your, you know, set your timer for the hour, you know, like it goes off on the hour, it takes 10 seconds. What am I thinking about? What am I feeling, what kind of emotions are coursing through my body just do like a mini check in. Just that you do that on the hour, it'll you'll become so much more self aware. And then what that buys us is the ability to choose. Rather than going through life, just reacting to stuff that we're not even conscious of? 

Lesley Logan 15:02  

Yeah, you oh my goodness. First of all, this is hilarious while I was in while I was in Cambodia, I was doing some journaling. And I, one of the questions is like, you know, pump yourself like, what are you thinking? What are you doing? And I was like, okay, I'm just going to put a little reminder in my phone. And I'm just going to, like, let this time scroll. So just comes off at a random time. Like, I'm just like, that time because I wasn't expecting it, right. And today, it came up and it was like, What are you thinking about right now? And I was like, right now I'm thinking I'm really tired. I'm like, Oh, I'm really tired. Oh, I should just take a nap. You know? Like, okay, I'm gonna go do that was the best thing I ever did for myself, like, and I think it's so funny. Because like, I probably would have just gone the whole day going, oh, this is a long day. I'm having a really, you know, like, I wouldn't have just like, so it seems so simple. But we need it until it becomes a practice until it becomes something that we're doing naturally. 

Christian de la Huerta 15:55  

And not only that, but I mean, we don't we you, you may have gone through the whole day, like feeling bad. And then the mind comes in and tries to add meaning to it. What's going on with me? Well, it must be because I hate my job. Or it must be because this relationship, what's wrong with it? Right? And then we get we get lost in those stories that we are making up in our minds. 

Lesley Logan 16:14  

Yeah and it stresses us out, which causes health problems (inaudible). Oh, my gosh, yeah. Okay, that is a great, that's a great first step that we could all take simple, y'all and probably something you're like, it should be harder than that. No, it can be it can be easier. We don't have to make everything so difficult. I have a question for you, Christian. You said, your dad's a psychotherapist. And like, I'm stuck on a little bit like, how did your parents take it when you're like, I'm quitting school, I'm going to teach Breath, like I just kind of, and the reason this comes up for me is that, you know, a lot of people who listen to the show, they have these big aspirations they have these dreams they want to do, but they're afraid of letting people down around them. Or they're afraid of like what people will say or judge them for. And I guess I just wonder, like, I'm curious if like, your family was super supportive of you, and the and the change you want to make, because people who go to college and their parents went to college probably want their kids to. So like, how did they take that?

Christian de la Huerta 17:12  

Yeah, I mean, I did, I did complete my four years, I just didn't go to the grad school didn't pursue the PhD. And in that sense, my dad was great, and both my parents were great, they just really wanted us all to be happy. They had a more difficult, challenging time with me, exploring, you know, spirituality beyond the confines and definitions of Catholicism, because they came from that religion in which, you know, they were taught that that is the one and only true path. And so that was a little bit more challenging for them, but then, you know, then they started to see the result, you know, they looked in my eyes, and they saw that, that sounds good there. And they saw the things that I was doing in the world were good things and making a difference in real human lives. So they came around, they came around to that. But I think you're pointing to a really, really, really important point, which is how often and how frequently all of us have given our power away because of that fear of what somebody else was gonna was gonna think? Or you because of even the unexamined expectations or the assumptions that we make, before even having the conversation with them, we just assume that we know how they're gonna respond. So we internalize it. And then we react. So at so as to avoid conflict. And I go, oh, my God, and the waste of human potential is tragic. Tragic.

Lesley Logan 18:37  

Yeah, I think you said, assumptions. Like, it's kind of funny how we would like, a lot of people will make decisions based on what they think someone's gonna say. 

Christian de la Huerta 18:48  

Exactly. 

Lesley Logan 18:48  

And, and then, really, because our mind goes on wanders, we create a whole story. And then we get angry with them about a conversation they've never had. And then we avoid them, or they trigger us and they're just like, hey, and it's like, you're like resenting them? Because you made a whole life decision based on what you think that they would have said, and they never said it yet. So it's so funny.

Christian de la Huerta 19:11  

Talk about tragic. And messed up. It's messed up. And that connects to power and how many times have we given our power away? How many times have we said yes, when inside we really felt no, we really didn't want to do it or it really wasn't okay with us, but just for or, you know, we override our beliefs, our values, our preferences, our dreams. And we settle. We settle for an illusion of insecurity, or a false sense of security and we settle for crumbs of pseudo love, and and it's all happening inside of our heads. It's all made up inside of our heads. It's really tragic.

Lesley Logan 19:55  

So I guess and for the person who like has this now as I say, ingrained habit there live their lives. Like it's not just one person, it's like most people, you know, live their lives with these assumptions and giving their power away. It can feel like climbing a mountain to like, get your power back, like what is what is the step? Is it just going back to the awareness? Or like, how do we actually is it saying no, when you mean no, like what is, what is something people can practice, like, feel like they are actually taking control and being and bringing their power back to them?

Christian de la Huerta 20:27  

All of that. And by the way, that's I mean, I would say, go get my book, yes, to get it on Amazon Awakening the Solar Power, and it'll walk you through it, it'll walk you through the whole process of understanding the ego mind and why we do the things we do. And it'll give you a different perspective, a different way of how to look at power, because that's part of that's part of the problem, you know, we've been conditioned to believe that power is a negative thing. And you would win, and then on top of that with, with phrases like, you know, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and who wants to be corrupted. And then, then on top of that how many of us have witnessed abuses of power, so we tend to associate power with abuse of power, and good people don't want to do that. We don't want to abuse power and cause harm. And then we've also been taught mistakenly that the emotions are weakness. We, especially men, little boys don't cry. And so many faulty assumptions that go with that. Now, first of all, why don't little boys cry? Why? Because only little girls cry, because the feminine is weakness, right? Somebody along the way decided that the feminine is weakness, like, wait a minute, that is so wrong. So not true. If you want to talk power, courage, resilience, let's talk about the power of creation that exists in a female body. Like, seriously. 

Christian de la Huerta 21:53  

And to lighten things up a little bit. Betty White, you know, who left us last year was she was being interviewed, the story goes, she was being interviewed in one of those multiple celebrity group interviews. And somebody said something about having balls, and she goes, Wait just a minute, what do we get this association of courage and strength with balls, you thumped those little things, and the guy collapses bends over in pain. You want to talk, courage and strength and power, let's talk vaginas. Those things take a pounding.

Lesley Logan 22:24  

Oh my I love Betty White so much. That is the best.

Lesley Logan 22:32  

But seriously, right. So that's one faulty assumption. And then the, that the emotions are weakness, wait a minute, they're not weakness, they're not strength, either. They're just energy. So what happens when you put all that together into the mix all those beliefs, it's the beliefs about power, the conditioning, that's the reason that we ended up overriding our true desires and preferences, and we end up settling. We hate conflict, we avoid confrontation. So what that for somebody who is on this journey of wanting to reclaim their power, there are a couple of first steps, you know, first of all understand our right understand your relationship to power and why you believe certain things about it, and then start paying attention, right? In the same way that you put that little timer to see what kind of emotions you're having, or what kind of thoughts are going through your mind. Start noticing, start observing yourself going through your life mindfully. And when you find yourself saying yes, and when you and then when inside it really, doesn't it's not okay with you. Look at the situation. Why did I do that? Right? What was really going on there? What did I fear? Was I fearing rejection? Did I fear that I was going to end up alone? Did I feel that I was going to rock the boat of a relationship too much? Was it what kind of what's what are my patterns? Do I tend to give my power away in personal, intimate, romantic relationships? Or maybe is it with authority figures, parental figures, bosses, coaches, spiritual leaders, that kind of stuff. And that's how we begin to see the patterns, then we can begin to make choices accordingly, rather than just doing things unconsciously, because we haven't even noticed why we do the things we do. 

Lesley Logan 24:14  

Yeah, I, that the whole, like, notice why we do the things we do. It's really, you know, I told the story before on the podcast, but it's like, in case an engineer listening, if you hear this, it's really hilarious. My husband's mom, she would make Thanksgiving turkey or the Christmas turkey and she would cut the top off the turkey. She put in the oven. And my husband was like, why don't we cut the top of the turkey off? Like why? And she put it in the pan. She like cut it off, put in the pan, put in the oven. And she's like, huh, I don't I actually don't know that. That's how my mom did it. Let me call her. She calls her mom. She's like hey, Mom, why don't we cut the top of the turkey off? And she said because my stove. My oven was too small for the

Christian de la Huerta 24:58  

It's funny and tragic. 

Lesley Logan 25:00  

Tragic because that's really a good part of the turkey. 

Christian de la Huerta 25:06  

But it's a perfect example. I'm gonna I'm gonna quote you on that one. 

Lesley Logan 25:10  

It's a great story. It's so good, please do. It's this funny thing. It's like, what like, we we go through and it's and I'm sure it starts with like when your kid you brought up like boys don't cry, but also like parents get tired of questions kids ask. Little kids ask all the questions like we were born to ask questions. And somewhere along the way someone's like, just do what I say don't like just do it. Like, just, you know, like, and I can picture my parents doing that. And so I just stopped asking questions because you, you don't want to be made fun of in class because people laugh at you. If you don't ask a stupid question. If you ask a question, how, maybe your parents are tired? They are just exhausted. Like, just can you just do what I just go do it? You know, like, I don't know. And so you stop, you stop asking those questions. And then it comes to you. And you don't even know sometimes the questions to ask yourself. And so I know it sounds so simple, like, what am I thinking right now? Or why does it but those simple questions are like great, great questions to start with. I love them. Because it doesn't have to be complicated.

Christian de la Huerta 26:06  

Exactly. And that is so profound, because then what the mind knows the what the mind does those little minds that just didn't know any better. We personalize things, things that had nothing to do with us. Like maybe our parents were tired or overwhelmed, or they just had a bad day. And they were short, or they said something that just burst out that they didn't really mean but those little minds take it on as truth. And then we make up interpretations about it. Like there's something wrong with me. I'm not worthy of love. Too much of this, too. Not enough of that. And then we live our lives from those misunderstandings. That's all we were. Yeah. And that's tragic. Because that gets in the way of every single relationship we've ever had. 

Lesley Logan 26:49  

Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know, you're the first person ever say tragic when it comes to that. And I think it's actually the best word. Because it is tragic that no matter what age you are, when you learn about like, oh, that I could ask myself these things, oh, I've been giving my power away. It's there still years lost or still experiences missed out or there's, there's probably relationships that could have been had not even romantic, but just with family members we've avoided because we like we like create a whole story around it.

Christian de la Huerta 27:23  

Exactly, exactly. The things yeah, the missed opportunities, the things that we have not even attempted because we were because we were afraid of fear of quote, unquote, failure. When you know, from my perspective, there is no no such thing as long as we're learning from a project or something that didn't work out or even a relationship that didn't work out. It's it's not a failure, as long as we learned from it, and we're becoming better human beings from it, there is no such thing as a failed relationship.

Lesley Logan 27:53  

Yeah, yeah, that's so true. I had, you know, some of my family got divorced for like, the second time, and they're like, I'm just a failure at marriage. And like, well, both one of them ran for like 22 years, and one ran for 10 years, a lot of people would call those like, long relationships.

Christian de la Huerta 28:09  

Seriously. I think they are by anybody's definition. 

Lesley Logan 28:12  

Yeah. So like, I think, like, you know, I wouldn't call it failure. But I love that you said like, if you're learning from something, it's not a failure. And so as long as you take the time to, like, learn what, what was good from that, what, what what did i where did I change myself in that like this, take some self-perspective and also learn like, oh, I gave my power away there, then you're right. It's actually just like, a really great experience that we can like, take with us to the next place.

Christian de la Huerta 28:36  

Yeah, exactly. Not necessarily a fun experience. But if we're, if we're learning from it, then it's worth well worth it to me, as long as we're not going to repeat the same mistakes. Yeah. Which often begin even before the get-go, oh, how often do we sabotage relationships? Before we even get started. By attracting or falling for people who are not a match? Does that mean we're better? Does it more worse, we're just not a match. We're in different places of life, we have different values, different dreams for life, or whatever it may be. And we fall for people who are not available. Yeah. And the tragic part of the hat is that our relationships don't even have a chance. And then and that all comes from that fear that doesn't even have a base on reality that it stems from those misunderstandings from childhood. And so there's this journey that we're talking about becoming aware of why we do the things we do. Yeah, it takes work. No question. Yeah, it's not easy. Guaranteed. You know, sometimes I even say it's a heroic journey to ask ourselves, why we do the things we do and to be able to, be able to be willing to dive deep inside and face our own demons, our own fears, our own self-doubt, but it is so worth it because the reward for doing that is freedom. Like we get to choose Everything in our lives. 

Lesley Logan 30:03  

We do. Um, my husband and I joke, we moved to L.A. the exact same year, so we moved 2007. He moved from Philly, I moved, I was born and raised in California. So I just moved from a different city. But we're about two months apart, we literally worked within a block of each other many of those years, like just basically on the same street of the city for for we met in 2013. So six years later, right, they get into the bath. And so someone introduced us, and when we found out that we literally worked across from each other at that exact time for the last year, we've never seen each other never met, like just going through our lives. But as much as we are like absolutely this great match. I'm so excited. We also know if we had met any point between 2007 and 2012, we would have been like who is this? What a crazy like, we would never we had to go through the relationship we went through before that, and really examine like, what? Who am I like, why did I choose the person that I was just with? That was not right, like, we both went through this whole journey because of the ex that we had. That allowed us to go? Oh, hi. Yeah, and also like, the person I was when he met me, was a totally, I was just like, No, I'm nope, like, you can't No, I'm not gonna hang out tonight. Like, it wasn't like, Oh, I'm gonna say yes. Because like, I want someone to like me. It's like, No, I'm tired. Actually, I'm tired tonight. So we're, you know, and so like, but it's so interesting how, you know, we, especially when it comes to relationships, we do fall for people who are unavailable, or we try to become something we're not or we reason we make up reasons for Oh, it's okay, that they said that, and like, I'll just it's I was being too much of this. And we just tell ourselves these things. And it's really about that self-examination that we have to go through. And I know I kind of want to go into like, you have this amazing book, what made you write it? And you know, what, what are you hoping that people get from it?

Christian de la Huerta 32:03  

That's a great question. And, and, you know, I want to say first, that I'm an unlikely person to be stuck to be speaking about and writing about personal empowerment. Like I know, self-doubt. In fact, I know self-hatred, my entire adolescence was one long depression with suicidal ideation and fantasies. And flash forward to today. And no matter what happens in my life, no matter the circumstances, whether a relationship works out, or it doesn't, whether a project succeeds or it fails in quotes, never, ever, ever, ever do I question my sense of self, my self-worth is unshakable. So I know if that can happen to me, it can happen in anybody. And that's the kind of teaching and process that I share in this book. And it's very, I know how busy everybody is. And I know that less and less people read, but I designed the book to make it very navigable, right to make it easy to work with. So the chapters are short. And they have practices designed at the end of you know, practices at the end of each chapter, designed to help us integrate the concept and the teachings. So that (inaudible) 

Lesley Logan 33:12  

I love that about your book, I'm sorry to interrupt, because too often I find a book and I'm like, okay, thank you for all this information. And like I don't even know how to integrate it right now. And like, too much information is too much information.

Christian de la Huerta 33:26  

That's the point. Like, we don't need more information, we've got information overload, like our brains are, like, tapped out, maxed out with all the information that's bombarding us all day long. And so yeah, so those practices are designed to integrate the teachings so that we actually live from them and our lives get transformed. We don't need information, what we need is transformation. And that's what those teachings and those practices are helped designed to do. And what inspired it. You know, I think the original interestingly, the original de seed thought about that was my older sister. I'm one of nine kids in a large Catholic family. So further evidence that the you know, the Catholic Roulette is not very effective. And you know, I'm just kidding. Maybe my parents did want to have a large family intentionally. 

Christian de la Huerta 34:19  

But anyway, I'm really grateful for it. We're really close and really tight and all of us within 12 years, so my mom was pretty much pregnant for 12 years. My older sister, I'm number two, the oldest is my sister, who, as a kid was a natural-born leader. I mean, like, not only was she boss around all nine of us, but the entire neighborhood and not in a nasty way. Like she would just say, hey, let's, let's go do that. And we would all say, yeah, let's go through that. So we would just follow until she hit puberty. And then I don't know if somebody said something to her that little girls didn't behave that way or women didn't behave in that form or but she kind of stuffed down natural leadership. And I never really understood it. So I think it's that was one of the initial thoughts because the book is for everybody. Everybody struggles with issues around power. Yeah. But it has a particular dedication, focus on women's empowerment. And it's not to because I believe that the empowerment of women is the single most important thing that needs to happen in our world. It's not to idealize women is not to put women up on a pedestal, women also abuse power. And it's not certainly not to give women more crap to clean up in this mess that we have all created here. 

Christian de la Huerta 35:41  

It's because as a world, as a species, we have been working, we have been functioning, so off balance, so off-kilter when it comes to this balance between the masculine and the feminine energies. And so I believe, I mean, I know like when it's even more than I believe, I know that when women are in 50%, of power in this world, we're gonna have a very different relationship to war, and poverty, and hunger, and education and social justice and how we treat the environment to all of it. So for me, it's like a strategic approach, what is the one thing that I could focus on that will then impact all those areas? And that's what I land on.

Lesley Logan 36:20  

I love all of that. And I think it's so it's so needed. And I had Kelli Adame on talking about masculine feminine energies, because we have them all, we like both males and females have both. But everyone's operating so much masculine. Because when women were told, well, you, you have to climb up, you have to do these things, you have to break the ceiling, everything has a masculine energy that they had to be and they're like, okay, well, let me show you how I could be both I can be a mom and I can work and it's like all these things. And so, yeah, it's everyone needs to explore that feminine energy more. And also, you know, what positive good power can look like. And I think this is exciting. I'm excited. We're gonna take a brief break, and people can find out where to get your book. And also, maybe follow you, listen to more of your amazing words. 

Lesley Logan 37:07  

Okay, Christian, where do you hang out? Where is your book at? How can people work with you?

Christian de la Huerta 37:13  

Thanks for asking that Lesley. The book is available wherever books are sold. So you can you know, if you want to support your local bookstore, you can order it there. Or you can get it on Amazon or some of the other online bookstores. In terms of reaching me, probably my website is the best way to do it. And from there, they can access my social media, the website is soulfulpower.com. S-O-U-L-F-U-L power P-O-W-E-R dot com. And for your audience, anybody who goes to my website and gets on my email list, and we all know how easy it is to click unsubscribe, if it doesn't work for you. And I'm not going to take it personally if you do, like I get how I get too much email too. So no worries if it doesn't support your path of empowerment and remembering and discovery. But anybody who does get on my email list we'll send them a sample chapter from the book and one that speaks about what it means to live heroically, which you and I have kind of addressed it a little bit today. Some of the ways what it means to live heroically in the 21st century will send them some of the power practices that we were talking about. And we'll send them a guided meditation that I created in the midst of the pandemic, to which is about how to move into a place of trust in a time of chaos.

Lesley Logan 38:33  

Very needed. I love that. Thank you for that gift. It's wonderful. And and I mean, for the whole reason I'm just exploring it more if it's like piqued your interest at all you guys, just like support more because you can unsubscribe if it doesn't hit the thing. So easy to do. 

Lesley Logan 38:48  

Okay, Christian, you've given us a lot of amazing things. But you're good with the action items. Do so you understand I like people to have something they can take away. What is something that's bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted (steps) that they can take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us?

Christian de la Huerta 39:03  

Yeah, you know, I go back to the breath. If you deepen your relationship with the breath, it'll change your life. So and you know, it doesn't have to be, it doesn't even have to be like an hour, long, breathwork session. But pay attention to your breath. Notice your breath, put it on that timer, right in the same time, the timer goes off every hour, whenever whatever period of time you choose, check your breath. Notice how deeply you're breathing? In addition, you're going to check your thoughts what what kind of emotions are you having, and you're just observing it right? It's about becoming more mindful, more attentive, more aware of what's going on with us. And notice your breath. Because the thing that happens is when we get upset if you pay attention to that, we start headed in the direction of an argument or we started getting stressed out in traffic. The first thing we do is we stop breathing. And we start taking really, really shallow breaths. And that's what anchors those emotions in the body. And then you have to come spend a perfectly good evening or weekend retreat with me breathing to clear all this, all those emotions that we're stuffing. Stop stuffing them. And one of the ways to do that is to keep breathing. So you start in find, find yourself stuck traffic getting frustrated, deepen your breath, slow down your breath. But it's, it's, it's a habit we have to build, right? Because when the moment we're just in the upset. So that's the purpose of doing the timer on your phone is because that's how you develop the practice. Hey, you know, take a minute doesn't even have to take a minute, 30 seconds, and breathe deeply for 30 seconds it will change your life if you do it consistently. 

Lesley Logan 40:50  

Yeah, you're so right on. There's this one, the founder of SoulCycle. She said because they Tim Ferriss asked her like, do you meditate? She's like, yes, for 11 seconds. And he's like, what she's like, I have an 11-second meditation where I hit play and the guy goes, inhale. Exhale. And that's it's 11 seconds long. And she's like, I do that throughout the day whenever I need it. And it really helps like, just bring the nervous system down. And like, I don't, I'm not saying that no one should meditate. But my goodness, if you think you're so busy, you can take 11 seconds to like, take a (inaudible).

Christian de la Huerta 41:25  

Yes, absolutely. If you like yeah, if you want to develop a vision practice great. But even if you do that, just that 11-second meditation. Yeah, do it. It'll change your life. 

Lesley Logan 41:35  

Yeah. Christian, this is so wonderful. I'm so grateful for this talk. Just really enlightening and eye-opening for us all. Thank you so much. Thank you for writing your book. Y'all, go get it and make sure that you let Christian and I know what your favorite takeaways were from this episode. Share this with a friend if you've got a friend who you're like man, she's not just holding her breath all the time. She's like holding herself back from things you know you don't have to be the person that tells her that we can do it you know we can do (inaudible) podcast. And you know, let us know your greatest takeaways. Thank you, Christian for being here. Thank you for your amazing book and y'all until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 42:13  

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Lesley Logan 42:14  

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In this year-end episode, Lesley Logan reflects on a year marked by personal milestones and wins. She highlights her journey, emphasizing the importance of team effort, such as securing a dream house. Celebrate with Lesley as she celebrates Lauren Baker’s win, reaching significant goals and showcasing the power of community support and collective growth. 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How one small idea can lead to impactful opportunities.
• Why community support can enhance personal initiatives.
• Celebrate collective achievements and team efforts.
• Why small steps of progress are better than none.
• Persistence pays off in realizing long-term dreams.

Episode References/Links:

• Listener win, Lauren Barker
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Hey, Be It babe, welcome back to another Friday, our last Friday of the year. What is that? I mean that, well, I'll tell you, that's my win. We made it. But let me, in case you're new, hi, I'm Lesley Logan. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast. We have interviews on Tuesday, recaps on Thursday, and FYF a.k.a. a short dose of inspiration to kick off your weekend. Because we all need something to look forward to on a Friday other than the weekend, which is like celebrating your wins. So first of all, I do celebrate one of your wins, I then share you one of mine. And the whole goal is so that you can see that like anything can be a win and you have more wins in your life than you think. So the first one. So today's win of yours is from Lauren Barker, she is in my eLevate round three. And this one she put in before Friday. So I know it's not Friday. But man, if God isn't making up for the past few months this week, I mentioned to our community education center that I'd love to get nine to 13-year-olds moving with Pilates and they called me the same day, I sat with the directors for about an hour explaining how this could be a game changer for kids. And they hired me as a contractor on the spot. They want me to teach a youth and adult class in the spring and they want to grow the program. I was worried about getting the right mats for them as resources. They need three or four-inch or thicker. So last night, I wrote a couple of companies to see if I could get them donated. I tagged a couple of companies a lot and they wrote me today saying they're going to donate mat for mini circles for the kids. Oh my God, that's amazing. She tagged Balanced Body and they're going to donate mats in mini circles for kids. That's amazing. We love them. BB also wants to do an article on me and promote the project with the kids. Literally in the course of two days I have gotten a job, gotten an outfit, and have free advertising from a major company. So excited. If you have any suggestions for class form email me as I'm sure I could use as much wisdom as I can get. 

Lesley Logan 2:37  

Well, first of all, Lauren, wait to tell people what your big dreams were. And then reach out to options that could outfit that dream. And now you've got plenty of time for it all to happen and you know what you're highlighted for, which is so great. It's gonna inspire so many others to do said thing. And side note, we actually do have a course on Profitable Pilates on how to teach children and like how to program it. So I highly recommend that because it's by Amy Rost. And she actually teaches a lot of kids, so weekly classes. So I think this is really exciting. And I'm so grateful that we get to celebrate this win with you. Balanced Body has sponsored our winter tour and they love to do a thing that really helps more bodies do Pilates. So I think this is really cool.

Lesley Logan 3:18  

Okay, my win. You know, I at the beginning of this year I interviewed, will interview with Alan Stein Jr. and he had said like, every single day he ends the day asking himself if he's like 1% better today than he was the day before. Right? And it's really stuck with me. Also, because it's like, it's so easy as a recovering perfectionist and overachiever to like, just you know, if you didn't get everything done, then did you do anything at all I mean, did you really, because you could do everything. Right? So what I'm proud of is not only did we make it to the end of the year, but the one major personal goal that we had to do happened. And I shared that with you on a past win but like, you know, three years in the making to make that goal when which is like getting our house, which is so it was a team effort, y'all. So we had that. And then there was other things that we got out of this year. And you know what, here's where I'll be really honest, not a single one of them hit the exact goal that I wanted, not one, and that they're all a win. And I to me, that's a win for me being able to see every single thing happen and whether or not it did hit the arbitrary goal I had doesn't mean it wasn't successful. It doesn't mean I'm not so proud of myself and my team for getting us there and getting what we got. And I say that because it can be so easy. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't do this. I didn't do that. And there's a lot of shit you won't do. That doesn't mean you didn't do a lot. That doesn't mean you're not awesome and doesn't mean you're not 1% better today than you were yesterday. 

Lesley Logan 0:47  

So my win is that we made it. We made it and we continue to grow and we continue to learn, we continue to make some mistakes and we continue to learn from those mistakes and we continue to make an impact on more and more people. And that's exactly that's all I want is to have more bodies doing Pilates. So thank you so much for being part of that. Before I let you go, I will leave you with this. Because you like these affirmations I've heard, so here is the one for this week. And I think it's a really good week to think about it. I am peaceful and whole. I know, it's the end of the year, I am peaceful and whole. Say it out loud with me. I am peaceful and whole. I am peaceful and whole. Yes, you are peaceful and yes, you are whole. Thank you all so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 5:41  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 6:08  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 6:11  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:17  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 6:20  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 6:27  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 6:33  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

This episode explores the metaphorical mountains we all face in life, drawing inspiration from the extraordinary journey of mountaineer Jenn Drummond. Brad and Lesley discuss the importance of resilience, balancing personal ambitions with family responsibilities, and redefining what success means on a personal level. 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How to balance family life, career and personal goals.
• The importance of prioritizing human connections over personal achievements.
• How to transform everyday frustrations into moments of gratitude.
• The importance of values over achievements in decision making.=

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• Danielle Stead Blanton
• Conscious Counsel with Cory Sterling

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

She doesn't get to choose when she dies. Right? Right. And I think that for her it was incredibly real because what set her down this journey in the first place was the near fatal near-fatal that she had where she said somehow she walked away from it. Everyone imagined that she wasn't going to, you know, and so of course when she made it home everything had a new perspective and so but also made her reevaluate everything. 

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:10  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life dig into the impressive, I will also say, rockstar elevated like seven points. How many other words do you put in here convo I have with Jenn Drummond in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that one, you are missing the fuck out.

Brad Crowell 1:30  

She's a badass.

Lesley Logan 1:31  

She's a badass. And I'm just gonna say has seven kids. So moms listening you just want to listen to this. Because there's a really oh my god just like, well, we'll get into in a second but just amazing. Awesomeness. So today is December 28. If you're listening in real time, if you are traveling home for after the Christmas, before the new year, or if you're in traffic or whatever. Hi, we are in. Where are we at?

Brad Crowell 2:00  

28th. We're in South Carolina?

Lesley Logan 2:02  

We're in Charleston, South Carolina at this moment, but let's actually talk about what today is. It is National Download Day. Ooh, tell me more. 

Brad Crowell 2:11  

Yeah, as it should be.

Lesley Logan 2:20  

Smartphones have become a ubiquitous part of our lives. It's hard to imagine going anywhere without our phones, which now also serve as cameras, maps, guidebooks, banks, personal assistants, entertainment centers. So today, you should go down, I thought this is gonna be like a put your phone away thing. It's not. You guys go down to OPC app. It's free. Clearly didn't read the show notes over I got excited. But anyway, it's a download date, download all the apps, you should definitely download the OPC app because it's free. And you can listen to this podcast on it for free. 

Lesley Logan 2:52  

It's Cumberbatch's Day.

Lesley Logan 2:54  

Oh we love Cumberbatch. We miss him. Is he doing anything? Let's look it up. 

Brad Crowell 2:58  

No, idea.

Lesley Logan 2:59  

At any rate. That's an inside joke between my husband and I. He's a person. But if you don't know, we're not here to explain it. Because it's not his day. It's National Download Day. So go download a app

Brad Crowell 3:11  

The OPC. app. It's free. On it you've got like, you can actually listen to this pod right on the app. 

Lesley Logan 3:17  

Yes. And it's really easy, because you can just see all, a bunch of episodes, so you don't have to go. It's not just like the most recent one.

Brad Crowell 3:24  

Also, we have the YouTube channel releases on there. We have a bunch of stuff, guides and free stuff. And our Tour map is on there if you're interested in following along.

Lesley Logan 3:37  

And if you are an OPC member, you can take classes.

Brad Crowell 3:40  

Yeah, right in the app and the community as well. Lovely. 

Lesley Logan 3:44  

Go do that. And then also, if you're like Lesley, I'm like you though I like as few apps as possible. Well then delete an app you're not using, you can see it on your phone, because it will have a little cloud with an arrow button. If you have an Apple iPhone. And it means you haven't used that one in a while. Delete it.

Brad Crowell 4:00  

Like a month, I think and then they just like undownload. They don't delete it. 

Lesley Logan 4:06  

They don't delete it. 

Brad Crowell 4:07  

So they cloud it.

Lesley Logan 4:08  

They cloud it. At any rate 

Brad Crowell 4:10  

It's a technical term.

Lesley Logan 4:10  

You've learned something new, Also, what is happening today, as we mentioned, we are in Charleston, South Carolina. So excited to be here. Because can I just say, I'm just gonna shout out to Diana. We were struggling to find a stop somewhere between Greensboro, North Carolina and Miami. I know you're thinking what, Miami? You couldn't find a stop? I would have done it. Well, you should have raised your hand. Because this girl saw that we were looking for some stops. But she was like, I don't know if I should say anything. I really love for her to come to Charleston. And then we called her. We're like, Hey, we're coming to Charleston. Would you like a stop? And she was so excited. Yeah, so anyways, you guys dreams do come true. And also, you can raise your hand for things. So I'm so excited we're here.

Brad Crowell 4:55  

And sometimes we need a place to go. So, let us know where you are, y'all. 

Lesley Logan 4:59  

We want to know where you are. 

Brad Crowell 5:01  

We do.

Lesley Logan 5:01  

We'll go where people want us to hang out. 

Brad Crowell 5:03  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 5:04  

And so we're so excited to be here. It's her new studio. It's been open for a year. So congratulations, Diana. Then we're headed to Miami. There might be some spots left in the Mat Class at this point, but everything else is sold out Sarasota. The class is sold out guys. I got a waitlist an arm's distance long. I don't know what to do. I'm feeling really bad.

Brad Crowell 5:21  

I know. I wish that we could have gotten a bigger space even but like it just the way it worked out was amazing. But wow, what a response.

Lesley Logan 5:29  

Thank you, Christina Fenton. And also like, we, another spot that we like super struggled to like find a location and Christina Fenton, shout out to her who made a spot happen. And then we sold out so quickly.

Brad Crowell 5:43  

Yeah, I didn't, but there may still be spots in the workshop. After that. We'll be in Austin. We'll be there all day. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

All day. New Year's Eve.

Brad Crowell 5:51  

First of January.

Lesley Logan 5:52  

That's Gaia. She's so excited about Austin. She loves Austin, she's been there before. So Austin, we got four events, you have to come, it's the best. You want to start your day off, you're in New Year's off, right? You hang out with us. And then we're in Dallas, class sold out. But there might be spots in the workshop, and then it's Albuquerque and Sedona and then we're home. And then I kick off eLevate as soon as we get home. Round four. At the time that we're recording this, I do have a couple spots left. So if you are interested in a mentorship, if you're wanting to not only learn, like accessible and fun approach to classical work, it's still classical, but you get to be a human being. Hi, I'm your girl. So you go to lesleylogon.co/elevate. And then at the end of the month around my birthday, probably before we are going to (inaudible). Okay. Well, it's, I mean, as of right now, it's one month to my birthday since my birthday month. But halfway through the month. You are if you're on the waitlist for the retreat, you're going to get an email, let you know that you can lock in the best, the lowest price of the retreat.

Brad Crowell 6:58  

Only those on the waitlist.

Lesley Logan 7:01  

Only those one will get that. Just so you know, if you're not on the waitlist, you won't get that email. 

Brad Crowell 7:05  

So get on the waitlist. Go to Lesleylogan.co/retreats. 

Lesley Logan 7:09  

Yeah. And then in after my birthday. We'll do Agency Mini Number 10. Number 10. 

Brad Crowell 7:16  

Yeah, that's crazy. 

Lesley Logan 7:18  

Fuck, it's crazy. Well, Agency turns six in January. Yes. So it's number 10. And we only do it twice a year. And we're working towards once a year. So just so you know, 

Brad Crowell 7:28  

It's quite possible that next year will be the last twice a year. 

Lesley Logan 7:32  

Yeah. Or who knows, it might only oh, but (inaudible) happened. 

Brad Crowell 7:35  

It's also possible that next year, maybe like the beginning of the year, we'll see. We're trying a couple of new things that going to happen next year. 

Lesley Logan 7:43  

We're also doing like calendar light, guys, like we are 

Brad Crowell 7:46  

We are really trying. 

Lesley Logan 7:48  

So do not wait till next time because we can't promise it. It's actually not in the books yet. Just let me know.

Brad Crowell 7:53  

Profitablepilates.com/mini 

Lesley Logan 7:56  

Yeah. Before we get into Jenn Drummond's question, Jenn Drummond's interview, we have a question. 

Brad Crowell 8:01  

That's right. Yeah. I was gonna say, Wow, she wrote in a question? Amazing.

Lesley Logan 8:05  

She did. Well, you know what she did, because she's got a book launch. But we'll talk about that in a moment. We have a question from one of you all, this came on Facebook. 

Brad Crowell 8:14  

Yeah. So the question was, I just bought a studio, what are some do's and don'ts that I should consider? 

Lesley Logan 8:21  

Yeah, I love this question. Because it came up in a Facebook group, which I'm not in. I mean, I'm in them, but I don't participate. And we had five different Agency members comment and they tagged me. 

Brad Crowell 8:32  

Really? 

Lesley Logan 8:33  

Yeah. All of them are, so fucking proud of them. They're like, hire coach. Lesley Logan. I bought a studio. I own a studio. I work with her. And Agency Mini is in February

Brad Crowell 8:46  

You should screenshot this conversation. 

Lesley Logan 8:48  

It is so great. Well, you should I don't know how.

Brad Crowell 8:50  

I'm gonna find that. I need to know where this is.  

Lesley Logan 8:52  

Yeah. So at any rate, my post response back was what I'll tell you here. If you're buying a someone else's studio, congratulations, I'm so excited for you. We're so excited for you. There is not a one size fits all anything. 

Brad Crowell 9:08  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 9:09  

And if anyone tries to sell you that run the fuck away. Yeah. Because that means whatever their system is, doesn't include your dreams, your mission, your values. It's not possible. 

Brad Crowell 9:19  

It's highly unlikely. 

Lesley Logan 9:21  

Okay, it's highly unlikely, but it's true. So what we what I would say is do's and don'ts. Do's - hire a coach. Do's - really understand what to charge so that you are paying your employees and yourself correctly. We have a free tool. It's called the magic calculator. There's a studio owner version, which includes the salary you're gonna pay. Pay yourself. And that is on profitablepilates.com. Another do - get a lawyer. We have two amazing ones, Danielle Stead Blanton and Conscious Counsel with Corey Sterling. If you want those hookups, just ask for us. Those are do's. 

Brad Crowell 9:54  

We're happy to make the intro. 

Lesley Logan 9:56  

Have boundaries. Boundaries are key meaning when you'll work and when you won't work. And beyond that, I actually need to know what your goals are, as far as don't - don't get jealous of other people's businesses. Don't. That is waste of your time, you don't even know if they're profitable, I don't care if they look busy.

Brad Crowell 10:12  

I got a don't. Don't price your classes based on other businesses in the area. 

Lesley Logan 10:19  

Yes to that, because you don't. Okay. I was talking to a group of studio owners and they were bulking at me because I wanted them to charge 45 Euros for up to six people in a class per person. And then I was like, but that's what you need to charge. So you can pay yourself and pay your employees, you can stay in business, you want to stay in business. If you want to be a charity, go file yourself. Here's the thing, y'all I've had many people go, I want to make accessible. Then, go file yourself as a 501-C3. Do not file yourself as a business because of you're business, you have to be profitable. Period. That doesn't mean you can't be accessible. But you can't be you. Somebody, you either have to have 1000 clients, or you have to have 20. Like it's it's you have this decision. This is where coaching comes in. Because we've actually figured out my mission is to make things accessible. Okay, how can we do that? Right? My mission is to get paid myself this much. Okay, how can we do that? So the don't that you, Brad just mentioned is super key. You don't know if they're profitable, you don't know if they're just filling their classes with ClassPass, things like that.

Brad Crowell 11:20  

You don't know their story, you don't know if they need to be profitable, maybe they're intentionally not being profitable. 

Lesley Logan 11:25  

I have so many girlfriends in L.A. who are teachers whose entire role in their family was to not be profitable, because their family needed a loss on their taxes.

Brad Crowell 11:37  

Surprise.

Lesley Logan 11:39  

So, you guys like that. So don't don't base your services, your rates, your schedule around others, you have to go with your mission, vision and values. And beyond that, we actually need to know what those are. So we can actually coach you on do's and don'ts for you. So if you want that you can go to profitablepilates.com/agency. You can also go to profitablepilates.com/mini and find out on the next thing. You know, I know coach is an investment and it's, it's, you know, it's hard to know if you're making the right one. We hope it's us, but you should try people out. If you have a question for us to answer just send it to Be It Pod. I love this one. And I know most of you listening are not studio owners. If you are a business owner, everything we just said applies. 

Brad Crowell 12:22  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

If you are in the service industry, it all applies.

Brad Crowell 12:25  

Yeah, it doesn't have to be Pilates. It could be yoga, boxing, any kind of gym.

Lesley Logan 12:30  

Can be a retail store.

Brad Crowell 12:32  

Could be. Yeah, totally can. That's true. All right. Stick around. We'll be right back.

Brad Crowell 12:51  

Okay, now let's talk about Jenn Drummond. Jenn Drummond is an extraordinary adventurer, and a mother of seven, who, after surviving a near-fatal car accident embarked on an inspirational journey to climb the world's most challenging mountains. In 2023, she won the Guinness World Record, a first female mountaineer to seven second summits. So what that means, seven second summits. Second means they're the second tallest mountains on the continent. She summited the second tallest mountains on all seven continents. 

Lesley Logan 14:50  

Also, first woman to do it. 

Brad Crowell 14:51  

First woman to do it. 

Lesley Logan 14:52  

And also you guys, they're apparently often harder than the K ones. 

Brad Crowell 14:57  

Yeah, and that's like a lot of technical stuff. And there, but basically, they're not nearly as well mapped. They're not nearly as popular. The trails aren't nearly as consistent.

Lesley Logan 15:06  

What if the one she did, because of COVID, no one had even been there for years. And because of the snow, because like, what is it Antarctica she went at, (inaudible) it's like, years outdated map. And I'm like,

Brad Crowell 15:16  

Yeah, that's crazy. 

Lesley Logan 15:18  

I'm gonna just say, no, no. But I love that she did it.

Brad Crowell 15:24  

It's pretty. It's ambitious. It's amazing. And you know, I thought what was really, like, what really, really inspired me was she said, you know, look, I was a full time mom, and awesome, love, love doing that. But when I started training for this, I had a chance to be showing my kids, you know, what it's like to live a busy life. And do you know, be a mom too? And I thought that was really inspiring to me. Because, you know, that's, that's reality.

Lesley Logan 16:01  

Yeah, I, I'm actually gonna go off off off the grid here, because I'm actually gonna talk about something I really, really, really loved. That she said, so here's she has seven kids. Okay, I got three dogs. It's already too many. So, I don't even know. But I asked her like, how do you? How did you even train for this? And this, to me is one of my favorite takeaways from the whole episode. Because she talked about finding a way and you guys, if you really want something bad enough, you find a way like, yeah, there Brad can tell when I want something bad enough, because I'll set up a car because I really want that. But that requires, like consistent things over time. However, I wanted this one chair so bad. I was like, I'm gonna sell my peloton. I'm gonna sell it. I want 

Brad Crowell 16:51  

It's exactly what I was thinking about. 

Lesley Logan 16:52  

I also sold a bunch of stuff in my closet. Like, there's this interesting thing when you want something bad enough, like the thing that the lengths you'll go to do something. And I was trying to figure out like, how if you're a mom of seven kids, you've got to choose a job. She's, you know, it's like she's like at home just taking care of seven kids. How did you train to be a mountain woman because like, that is, if Jenn lives in Utah, but also that's hours, hours a day, right? So she actually brought up she's like, you can find a way she's like, there's no takers for every phone call you're on. And that just takes notes for me. And so I'm physically on the call, but I'm on a treadmill at an elevation so I can get my time under my legs at elevation rock climbing. And I'm still working. And I can go back to the notes because it's high like you guys, there are so many great tools out there that will highlight will pull the questions up you can search on makes it so easy, right? The other thing she did was at the kids' soccer game, and she brought a stepstool and water bottles and water bottles. And she just did

Brad Crowell 17:50  

She would wear them like I'm guessing she would wear them? (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 17:54  

So she would like do her, for 90 minutes, just step on the stepstool. And she's fully present for her kids. But she is training for her event. And I just want to bring this up because I think we make a lot of excuses for ourselves. 

Brad Crowell 18:11  

Well it's very creative, first off. 

Lesley Logan 18:13  

It's very creative, but it's also I've got the soccer games I can't do I'll wait till they're older or whatever. You are, if you're, if your goal and your passion happens to be a physical activity, like mountain climbing, and maybe it's not, you actually want to do that when you're younger. Not when your kids are older. But also she pulled up like what if I die tomorrow? And I think it's really cool what she was able to show her children because she showed her seven children that she could still prioritize her goals and them and so anyways, just like I was like, mind blown. Yeah, because I do that shit. But I don't have seven kids.

Brad Crowell 18:54  

Well she started talking about she doesn't get to choose when she dies. Right? And I think that for her it was incredibly real because what set her down this journey in the first place was the near fatal near-fatal that she had where she said somehow she walked away from it. Everyone imagined that she wasn't going to, you know, and so of course when she made it home everything had a new perspective and so but also made her reevaluate everything. And this is pre-COVID when COVID made the world reevaluate everything right? So this for her was you know the moment the wake up call.

Lesley Logan 19:37  

Yeah, yeah. What did you love? 

Brad Crowell 21:16  

I really loved it when she was talking about putting people over peaks. Now of course she's like, so polished in her presentation here that everything ties together she talks about conquering your own mountain in your life. But putting people over peaks was really interesting. She was a, she was on a mountain where there was a terrible accident that happened with one of her, her climbing mates died in an avalanche. 

Lesley Logan 21:48  

I can't even imagine that I don't even like that's devastating. 

Brad Crowell 21:52  

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she decided not to continue the summit, which means she got part of the way up, and then decided to come back down. And she said, the reason was what I thought was really I was like, could I make this decision this way in this moment? She said, the mountain is always going to be here. So I can come back. But this is more important right now. 

Lesley Logan 22:23  

Yeah, I think like what's beautiful is like, achieving that climb on that day wouldn't have been as special. 

Brad Crowell 22:35  

Well, yeah, there's that too. I mean, it would have always been tied to that, that terrible memory. So yeah, that's another I mean, in hindsight now, like, wow, what? That's definitely the right move.

Lesley Logan 22:45  

I mean, what I'm also impressed by is that she still went and did it because like, I'm gonna be really honest, people dying in front of me, I'm like, I'm out. But I'm out. All right. I'm out on the climb. Like, I thought we hiked. I've decided we (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 23:09  

She said, who she believes that who we are as people. That's more important than what we achieve. Yeah. And I think that is so counterintuitive to the way we live in our society today, that we only value achieving the next goal, achieving the next thing and like, or the credentials, or you know, what's on a resume.

Lesley Logan 23:34  

You know, but this brings me up because I this morning, the day that we're recording this, I had a call with Jonah White, who is on the podcast, she's the one who's like recovering from a brain tumor everyone, right? And she went to some event and the person did the thing. Like, if you really, really wanted these goals, that would happen already. And she's like, like, I heal myself from a brain tumor. And I don't have the things that I want already. And it's because I'm holding myself back. And I'm like, I call bullshit. I call bullshit. Yeah, because there are things I really, really want. The G Wagon in the driveway. I also wanted this house. I also like, and I refuse to burn myself out. And I actually want to take this back to it. Like I think it's really, I think quotes like that from self-development gurus can be great for the person who needs to get the fuck off the couch. But I also love that in this instance, she could have been like, this is my goal I'm going and you know, but she actually chose to go off of her values. And she really values people and human life. And, and one, if you don't know what you would do, check your values. I bet you would. I want you to do the exact same thing because I know your values, you know, like, and if you don't know what your values are, this is your call to action. Sit down, there is actually, you can just Google list of values. (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 25:06  

Just ask chatGPT.

Lesley Logan 25:07  

Yeah. (inaudible) 54 and then go through and pick out the ones that stand out to you. And then notice which ones are duplicates, because you want to get down to five, three to five, you otherwise won't remember them. And I bet you'd you'd make the same decision. But I think it's really important. Like, there are obstacles that are

Brad Crowell 25:23  

Wait there are 54 values. Where, what? Tell me more about this. 

Lesley Logan 25:26  

I Googled it a few years back. It might be more, but I Googled like, values. And it was like the ones that I found like, 54.

Brad Crowell 25:37  

Yeah, I think there are more than that.

Lesley Logan 25:39  

I'm sure there's more. The ones that I've found were like, 54. So whatever, doesn't matter.

Brad Crowell 25:44  

There's a lot. Here, 50 common personal values. Here are 200 values explained. 

Lesley Logan 25:49  

Great. That's too many. 

Brad Crowell 25:50  

Twelve universal values. What are 20 types of values. That's interesting. 

Lesley Logan 25:54  

So 200 is too many. 

Brad Crowell 25:56  

James Clear, 50 common personal values. 

Lesley Logan 25:59  

Start there. And then like, there's other there's also tons, like Jill Coleman shout out to her, had us go through how to come with our values was a really, really fun, post it note thing at all, to go back to Jenn Drummond. If you know what your values are, you will know what you do in certain situations, and you will love hitting your goals while you're with your values intact. You won't love hitting your goals with your values out of alignment. So I think you would know what you'd do.

Brad Crowell 27:26  

All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jenn Drummond? She said, this was really fun, y'all. She said she had a major reframe on something that made her so angry. There was a red light in front of her house, a stoplight and she said she would always hit this damn light. And it would just like, it's probably in my mind. I was like, we all know it. There's the one damn light that takes five fucking minutes to go. And you're like, why am I sitting here and the stupid light there aren't even any cars?

Lesley Logan 28:02  

Every light in Vegas is the longest light I've ever experienced in my life, like four minutes. 

Brad Crowell 28:10  

So when she's talking about this, I was imagining, you know, us here in our town. And she said that she had the story about when she decided you know what I need? I need to reframe this. And she started to take that time to pause and use it as a time to be grateful for things in her in her world. And then she taught that to her kids. And then her kids said they began to enjoy the reframe. So whenever they would hit a red light, it's like I imagined it being like the punch buggy game. Punch buggy. You know, punch backs where you drive past a VW bug.

Lesley Logan 28:50  

Slug bag bus, it's what we called it. Okay. Now, there was an entire lot of that (inaudible) cars.

Brad Crowell 28:57  

Did you say slug blast?

Lesley Logan 28:59  

Slug bag bus. Slug bag. Slug bag was the car and slug bug bus was when you saw the VW bus. And there was a whole parking lot of used cars. And when we were in (inaudible), my parents drove us up my grandparents house, right to school, and we would be doing slug bug, the whole drive right? And we get to this part of this car lot. And it was like we get out of our seatbelts to like start counting. And my mom was like, stop, we're gonna drive by, you're going to all count and then you can divide it by three and punch each other.

Brad Crowell 29:33  

Ah, that's hilarious. No, I feel like we at one point had to call that game because my brother and I were getting stronger. And we were hurting each other. But anyway, I thought it was that's what I was comparing it to and her kids started to flip it around where they were like, oh, the light's green. We can't do our grateful thing now because the light's not red. And I just thought that was what a fun way to reframe something that normally would get you aggravated. And then also to pass that along. I thought that was really cool.

Lesley Logan 30:04  

Can you imagine if we tried to do it with my dad? 

Brad Crowell 30:06  

Yeah. Your dad, he would just (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 30:11  

He would like, yeah, he would let us do it and he wouldn't do anything. It's fine. 

Brad Crowell 30:16  

What about you?

Lesley Logan 30:17  

I do love that that one has really stuck with me, I have to say like, after how many interviews have I done? Close to 150? Not really, maybe like 120. I, that is one Be It Action Item. I think of her often I think of her at red lights. And I just love it. So I hope that one sticks with you. I actually really love this. She talks about taking a gap year. And I'm not saying to take a gap here from achieving a goal. But I do think y'all, it's so important to take a break after you achieve something. Because otherwise you're just like achieving and achieving, achieving it. And if you're not achieving, you're like, Fuck, I'm not doing anything with my life. 

Brad Crowell 30:53  

Well, it's what we talked about earlier in this episode, where, you know, that's how we measure success is the achievements that we the our credentials, our accolades, or whatever. And, you know, that's, that's this weird to (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 31:12  

Yeah. I think it's really, really cool. Like, something I'm so proud of us, at this point is like, we have the fewest amount of events next year that we've ever had. And it doesn't scare me. It doesn't make me freak out. It's actually like, I love it. I like how do we make less? How do you make less than that? Because I think it's so it becomes a thing. Like, for example, I saw a girl last night at an event and she's engaged (inaudible) I don't know her, beautiful ring, gorgeous girl. And I legitimately didn't ask when are you getting married? They're celebrate her engagement. I didn't even ask because that is the next achievement. She just got engaged. And I was like, oh, my gosh, tell me what you've done. How did he propose? Like I was like, and then it'd be like, When is the wedding? What is this? What is this?

Brad Crowell 32:02  

When are you having seventeen kids?

Lesley Logan 32:04  

When are you having kids? And I, I was I've refused and I, only thing I said was I was like celebrating her engagement. She said, yeah, it's really stressful. I'm trying to find someone who just wants to do it for me. And I said, 

Brad Crowell 32:17  

To do what for her?

Lesley Logan 32:18  

To do her wedding for her. Yeah. And I said, you know, if you want a simple piece of advice, I'll give it to you about wedding planning. But if you don't need it, I'm not gonna give it to you. And she's, well, I want it, and I said, use a project management tool and hire someone out on the stressful day. Period. Everything else is gonna be fine. And she was looking at other girls were like, looking at me, like, what and I'm, like, I was so proud because I was like, I'm not we need to stop going when are you getting married? Are you gonna have kids? Were you gonna buy a house? Like all these things that achievement, achievement, achievement, and like, it's just

Brad Crowell 32:54  

Just make sure that everything is the color blue and your wedding will be amazing.

Lesley Logan 32:59  

Watch Eliza slashing her special about weddings, you'll be fine. But like I, you know, there's certain things that I want to break as a habit. And I think one of the ways to take a break is also to give people permission to take a break. And so maybe that's when someone's celebrating engagement. Don't ask them when the wedding is. Let them tell you. They'll tell you. 

Brad Crowell 33:23  

Oh, well, if they want to talk about it, they'll find a way. 

Lesley Logan 33:25  

When people get married. You don't have to ask if they're having kids. They will tell you, Okay, it's like a vegan. They will tell you, you don't have to worry. Don't yell at me vegans. I am also a vegan who eats meat. But like I think it's really you can practice taking breaks and I just really love this as a Be It Action Item because like, how can you schedule in breaks after an achievement? We're doing a massive tour. Our biggest yet. We come home 24 hours later I'm on vacation. I'm on break. I'm on a break.

Brad Crowell 33:59  

Yeah, me too. 

Lesley Logan 34:00  

You too. You will be you'll be on a 

Brad Crowell 34:02  

This will be a break at home.

Lesley Logan 34:03  

You'll be on break at home you'll love it. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 34:07  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:07  

Oh, before I let you go.

Brad Crowell 34:09  

Oh, before she lets you go. Oh, right.

Lesley Logan 34:11  

She's got a book. It's called, Breakproof. That is the title and it's available for pre-order. I'll tell you right now I'm gonna click a link. Hold on.

Brad Crowell 34:35  

Official Breakproof book.

Lesley Logan 34:36  

Yeah, Breakproof by Jenn Drummond. It releases on January 9th, we will make sure that this link is in the show notes. Jenndrummond.com/book. It's J-E-N-N, two Ns dot com slash book. We'll put it in the show notes. Seven children, seven continents, seven summits, so seven strategies to build resilience and achieve your life goals. Let me like fucking how cool is she? She got all those sevens. It's a lucky number. Anyways, so we'll put that all in. June 9th is the day it is released but you can pre-order the book now. And let's make her a bestseller you guys because she's a badass.

Brad Crowell 35:14  

She is.

Lesley Logan 35:15  

Can't wait to read it. 

Brad Crowell 35:16  

Love it. 

Lesley Logan 35:16  

All right, I want to hear how you're using these tips in your life. So let us know and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 35:22  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 35:25  

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Brad Crowell 35:57  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 36:02  

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Brad Crowell 36:05  

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Lesley Logan 36:12  

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Brad Crowell 36:18  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Discover how Jenn Drummond—a mother of seven and Guinness World Record-holder—turned a life-altering car crash into a catalyst for monumental change. Conquer towering summits and face rugged terrains with resilience in this inspiring episode with Lesley Logan. 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How Jenn transitioned from full-time motherhood to record-breaking mountaineering.
• What it takes to tackle The Seven Second Summits and set a world record.
• Tips on balancing rigorous training with the demands of family life.
• The importance of setting future goals while celebrating current successes.
• Understand the power of gratitude in daily life's pauses.

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• Training for the Uphill Athlete by Steve House
• The Seven Second Summits

Guest Bio:

Jenn Drummond is a Mom of 7, successful business owner and Guinness World Record holder. As the first woman to climb the second highest summits on each of the 7 continents, she now spends her time inspiring others to create a thriving business and lasting legacy of their own. She shares her story and strategies for success through her book, Quit Proof: 7 Strategies for Life Goals & Business Success, and her Seek Your Summit podcast, programs, and signature talks. Learn more about how she elevates devoted and determined entrepreneurs to go beyond a life of success to a life of significance

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Episode Transcript:

Jenn Drummond 0:00  

And I really wrote it to myself before I started on the quest because I named it Breakproof. And the reason why I named it Breakproof is because when you think of the term break, you can take a break and evaluate what's going on. Or you can be doing something and not really paying attention to things that aren't working and then all of a sudden, something breaks. 

Lesley Logan 0:21  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:02  

All right, Be It Babe. Welcome to the podcast. I am thrilled for you to listen to who is up next. Jen Drummond is our guest and I'm just so frickin glad I got to interview this woman, I am on a high and not just because let's pun intended, she, you're gonna hear why, because she did some pretty badass stuff with some really high mountains. And if you're like, I don't really care about the outdoors, you stop, you're gonna keep listening because there are so many amazing lessons along the way. And if you are someone who is busy, you've got lots of demands on your life, you must listen to this episode because our guest today (inaudible) is going to help you see what is possible. I can't think of a better person to tell a mom or a person who just has a lot on their plate to show them like what is possible in your life. And I'm just really friggin thrilled for you to listen to this amazing human being. So Jen Drummond is our guest today. Want you to listen to all of it. And then her Be It pod. Her bold, executable, intrinsic targets step is awesome. You're gonna love it. It made me smile. And it's going to, this is really going to change your life. I can't wait for you to hear it. Have an amazing time listening. 

Lesley Logan 2:10  

All right, Be It babe. I'm really excited. I'm really excited about this interview today because this woman is well you're gonna hear in a second like she's a fucking badass. Like, I'm actually staring at incredible, like just so much achievement in this world. And she's a mom, you're in here how many children she's a mom to in just a moment. But Jenn Drummond, you are on the Be It Pod. Thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are? And what you're rockin at?

Jenn Drummond 2:32  

Hmm. I'm Jenn Drummond. And I'm rocking at life right now. Whoo. Thank you for having me. 

Lesley Logan 2:39  

Yes. Okay. So in your life? What are you like, what's your thing that you're so excited about right now? How are you? How do you show up in this world? How to like, what's the thing that you're most working on? Because I know that you are a climber and all these things, but like, How did that even happen?

Jenn Drummond 2:55  

Yeah, so let's bring us back. Right. So I had a car accident, which was a line in the sand. Right? So pre-car accident, post-car accident, pre-car accident, I graduated from college, took a job in financial services, built my own successful firm, hired myself out of a job to become a full-time mom. And I was a stay-at-home mom to seven children. And it was definitely fulfilling in the beginning when they needed me. But then also then everybody goes to school and I was kind of lost in this limbo land, and sold myself on the idea that once they got to college, I can get back to me. But right now I'm in a season of motherhood. 

Jenn Drummond 3:38  

And then the car accident happened. So I got into a horrific car crash that should have taken my life but didn't. No one knows how I survived. Like the police rebuilt the accident, we couldn't build a scenario where I lived, let alone walk away. And in that experience, I realized, I don't get to choose when I die. But I sure get to choose how I live. And the choices that I was making at that time of putting my life on hold and waiting until my kids were in college was not good. Like not okay, like I was no longer okay with it. I was like, wait a minute. I don't care what people think anymore. Like, I'm glad you have an opinion. I'm more afraid of not being able to see, experience, explore taste like do all the things this life has to offer. Then, like whatever society thinks I should be doing. And so the car accident I say woke me up to living. And I had a conversation with my kids. And I said, Hey, Les, guess what? Mom's making some changes. I'm going to do you but I'm also going to do more me. And we're gonna have a little bumpy road as we figure out this rhythm, but I'm here for it. And let's have conversations and let's do this. So 2019 became a year of the bucket list. I would say, I'm like (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 5:01  

I'm so glad it was 2019 I'm so glad you weren't gonna do a 2020 a bucket list.

Jenn Drummond 5:05  

Yeah. So I was pre-COVID. I was prepared for COVID before I knew COVID was coming. And so I was making this bucket list of like, if I died tomorrow, what do I want to do? What do I want my legacy to say? What do I want to be known for? Being a stay at home mom? Not it. I'll be honest. I mean, I love people that thrive at that. I'm not thriving in that environment. That's just not how I'm wired. Yeah, so I had this huge list. And I'm 2020, I was turning 40. So I'm like, You know what honest list. I'm going to take mountain. And I'm going to climb a mountain for my 40th birthday to launch that decade and have it be significant and all these happy things. And so I'm getting ready to train. I call some friends that are into mountaineering. And I said, if you could climb one mountain in the whole world, what would it be? In the general consensus was a mountain named Ama Dablam. Like, okay, like, what's that? Like? Well, it's a mountain in the Himalayas. Well, Himalayas, were on my list. So that was when it meant the mother's necklace. I'm a mom to seven children that kind of felt appropriate. Yeah. And then my friends like, you know, it's the Paramount Pictures logo. I'm like, oh, (inaudible) like, yeah, let's do this mountain. So, I'm training and then COVID hits. And yes, you remember, none of us are traveling anywhere. And all of us that had children in school, our now homeschool teachers, because school shut down. 

Lesley Logan 6:33  

And also to like seven. So what, can we just go like, what are the ages of these? Like, did you have triplets and an extra or like, what's going? How did you get to seven?

Jenn Drummond 6:42  

I know. And crazy story. Like I had, like, I couldn't have kids naturally, right? Like I was trying to get pregnant. It wasn't working. Like the one thing we're born to do. And of course, my body won't participate, figure that out. And I went to a fertility clinic, nothing works for a while. And then finally, one day, they came up with this chemical cocktail that turned me into a hen. And we got 28 eggs in one cycle. Anybody who's been through the fertility treatment stuff, like I hear you, I see you. I am so sorry. It is a horrible journey. It's hard. I got 20 eggs, the 20 eggs became 14 embryos. I viewed embryos as life. And so those 14 embryos became seven children. I'm here to survive and tell you about it.

Jenn Drummond 7:29  

One at a time. So you've one at a time? 

Jenn Drummond 7:31  

I did two at a time and only one ever stuck. Except for, and if anybody's been on this journey, you know how they rank embryos. And so they use your best ones first, and then your worst ones are at the end, and they thought out of 14 embryos, I might get two or three kids based on the quality.

Lesley Logan 7:48  

You get one every time. 

Jenn Drummond 8:08  

Yeah, I got one at a time. And then at the end, they plant the last two eggs. I get twins. So like figure that out. Right? So I have five boys and then twin daughters. Um, I'm grateful. It's amazing. I would have never planned it. But I couldn't imagine life without it. 

Lesley Logan 8:07  

Yeah. Okay, thank you for sharing because my brain is like to be like, how, like, how far apart are these kids like do we, are, I know you have 14.

Jenn Drummond 8:15  

They are so close together. So for example, my oldest right now is 16. And my youngest are 10. So yeah, I was like afraid that somebody's gonna break into the embryo clinic and steal them or do your thing. So we're using them and we're using them now. 

Lesley Logan 8:31  

You were like having Irish twins every year for six years.

Jenn Drummond 8:35  

Yeah, totally, 100%. My son went to school, and he's like, mom at school they tell us babies are blessings. I'm like, they are honey. He was like, are we gonna get a blessing every year? I think we're running out. I think we used our quota. We'll see.

Lesley Logan 8:51  

Oh my God, you're amazing. Okay, so so your year of like I'm a mountaineer. This thing. All of a sudden got like, probably like it probably felt like such a huge obstacle because now you are a homeschool teacher to sixth grades like different six different grades of kids. 

Jenn Drummond 9:06  

Oh, yeah, totally. So I'm a homeschool teacher. And I'm like, what just happened? And one day my son is struggling with his math homework. I've given him the proverbial pep talk. Like we do hard things. You've got this like, don't you worry. And he looks at me in the face. And he goes if we do hard things, why you're climbing a mountain called I'm a dumb blonde instead of a real mountain like Mount Everest. And I said, honey, it's Ama Dablam, not I'm a dumb blonde. Okay. Finish your homework. We'll look at Everest. So he did. We did. He went to bed. I was still looking at Everest and I thought you know what? If Everest is like the hardest, biggest, most magnificent thing someone can climb. I'm gonna climb it. And I'm going to show him that whatever Everest is, we're capable of doing. So, by the end of the week, I had a coach hired to climb Ama and Everest. And this coach, right? Like go figure, this is my life, this coach sends me a book about becoming an uphill athlete because I was an athlete, but it's different when you're going vertical than just, you know, whatever. 

Jenn Drummond 10:16  

And so I get this book and I'm reading it. And in the front of it, there's a lady who got a Guinness World Record for doing something in the Alps. And I remember thinking, Man, I could have done that, like, I can suffer. And I got a Guinness World Record. My kids would think I'm the coolest mom in the whole world because that's how they learned how to read. And right now homeschooling, I'm not cool. Like there's zero cool about this mom right here. I have this conversation with my coach. My coach is, like well think of something like Okay, fine. But listen, I'm not growing pumpkins or speed-eating hotdogs or doing like any of those weird things that people do to get into, like, the Guinness World Records. He was like, don't worry, don't worry, I'll come up with something. A couple of weeks later, he calls me and he's like, Jenn, Jenn, I've got the perfect record for you. Like totally forgetting our conversations. I'm like, what? Like, yeah, I think you should be the first female to climb the seven second summits. Like what are the seven second summits? Like what are you talking about? No, no other female has done this yet? No. So he goes, Listen, it's the second highest point on each continent. It's only been done by one male. It's harder than the first seven. And you would be the first female to do it. And you go seven continents, seven mountains, seven children. It sounds like a jackpot. 

Lesley Logan 11:43  

Oh, I did one. I live in Park City. I skied a few mountains like, come on, but no, I mean, I hadn't slept in a tent. I hadn't done like any of these things that maybe you should do when you say yes to mountaineering.

Lesley Logan 11:58  

Yes, it's, it's not even like, it's not even like a tent that like I've camped in like, these are like little tiny, like, you just unravel it for one moment. And then you put it back up, but you go like, this is not, you know, some glamping.

Jenn Drummond 12:11  

Put details. So I looked it up, I talked to my kids. And it was you know, like, life's timing, like life is so much a timing. And so like, this is perfect. No one's done it. But so if I fail, who cares? Doesn't (inaudible) before, anyway. So whatever. And I wanted to travel, what a great way to go to see all the different continents. And I wanted to empower women, because I put myself on hold. And I wanted to do something where other women would watch and they'd be like, Wait, that thing that little girl right there climbed mountains, and she has how many kids like what I want to know more. I wanted to trigger that curiosity. Because when we're curious, we have power.

Lesley Logan 12:56  

Okay, you said a couple things in there. That one is amazing. Everyone hit rewind. And then also, I loved when you said when you talk about like, if I can't do it, who cares? Like if it doesn't work out. Like that is actually really interesting, because we put so much pressure on ourselves about doing somebody's gonna get started because we like put so much pressure but like, it's almost like, if you try and it fails, it's gonna be okay. Like it doesn't no one's gonna be like Jen Drummond failed, like no one's doing it. No one even knows you're doing this goal. Like No one's even aware that this is happening.

Jenn Drummond 13:32  

Right? And for me, like I think the big thing with the accident just going back to that time in my life, like I remember. I mean, you lose this, but I wish you didn't lose it. But for the beginning of time after the accident, everything was magical. Like I had to I have seven kids they fight. I mean, it's just part of life. And before when they would fight I'd be like, okay, like, let's stop fighting. Get along. Everybody be happy. After this accident. I caught myself watching the fight. I wasn't I didn't interrupt. I didn't care. I actually sat there in awe thinking isn't it amazing how I produced both of these children? And they're so passionate about their view that is opposite of their siblings, that they're angry that their sibling won't believe the same thing they believe. Like there's actually a beauty to that experience if you can get out of it and just witness it and be like this is living. This is doing you. I have an opinion. It's not going to be for everybody and that's okay. 

Lesley Logan 14:32  

That's it. That's such a cool, it's such a cool way to look at your children fighting. I will never forget the time that my brother and I were like totally fighting. We were just like they were a hitting we got to like we're hitting each other we're screaming to each other, this whole thing. We're young guys, don't worry there's no like actual abuse and my mom watched and she's like, are you done? Did you did you figure that out? And she, for the first time, did not yell at us about it. She just like let that happened and we both were like, Okay, I guess I guess we're done there. 

Lesley Logan 15:03  

Yeah. I guess that happened. Thank you. Onwards.

Lesley Logan 15:07  

I do love that you brought up like there is it's really hard to keep that. Or like everything is magical and you can observe it and go, wow, I'm here. It's kind of like anything that's new. Like we recently bought our house and like, when we first moved in, I was like, oh my God, I can't believe like we have this house all this stuff and like, it was like, you know, and then all of a sudden you're it's like the same place you wake up every day you forget, like, this is incredible achievement that I have. It's a really hard thing to keep the preciousness and the gratitude and the presentness there.

Jenn Drummond 15:37  

Yeah, I think you nailed it with the presentness. Right.

Lesley Logan 15:40  

So okay, so okay, this is, so 2020 your coach is like you're gonna this is the goal we're gonna have this is the Guinness World Record you can have. The second sevens. Okay, that's very, I've never heard of this. It sounds really cool. But it does sound how can it how can it be harder than the first one that seems really (inaudible).

Jenn Drummond 15:57  

It's they're judging them off a height. So for example, Everest is the tallest mountain in the world, not the hardest by any means. So K2 is the second tallest mountain in the world. And K2 is the difference between elementary school and college in difficulty for Everest. I mean, it's just a lot harder. And so uniquely, the second summits are harder than the first summits, and they're just harder to get to. They're not there's not as much information about them. They're harder to navigate just all the little pieces that go into it. 

Lesley Logan 16:31  

Okay, got it. Thank you. So how, so then when so from the time you hired your coach to like you actually scaling up the first one, like, how long did that take you? What was like, What did you go through? Did your kids come? How did this go?

Jenn Drummond 16:47  

So this is not a kid sport. So they were spectators from home. It was interesting, because I took on this quest in 2020. A lot of where I climbed was determined on what countries open (inaudible) COVID. Right? So the first country that opened was Chile, in South America. And so I climbed Ojos del Salado, which is the second highest point there in December of 2020. The next mountain that opened and mountains have climbing seasons, you always see Everest climbed in May you always see K2 climbed in July. Like that's just how it works. So the next one that was in season opened was Mount Kenya, in Africa. So I did that one in February of 2021. Went to do Everest afterwards, even though it's not a second summit, I did it to train for K2. 

Jenn Drummond 17:37  

After Everest, I came home and went to go to K2 and I didn't summit, we had a terrible tragedy happen, a teammate of mine died in an avalanche, and another one got hurt and that same avalanche. So when I had the choice to continue up the mountain or go down, I chose to go down. I truly believe that who we are as people is more important than what we achieve. And that the mountain will always be there. And it's really important in our pursuits, whether we're climbing mountains physically or metaphorically, that we put people over peaks. So I came home, headed off to Russia next. So Russia was in September of 2021. And this was like, go figure. So it's Russia. Attention was like not what it is today with Russia. But it was definitely like, can you get in as an American what's going on? And Russia is a very technical climb. So you want gloves that you can feel the mountain? Because you want to be able to get that feedback. You don't it's like tying tennis shoes with mittens on it's really hard to do. Yeah. So when you find you really want to feel the mountain. So I curated this perfect gear to go climb in Russia, because it was a technical climb. I land in Moscow and my bags are missing.

Lesley Logan 18:52  

Oh my God, no.

Jenn Drummond 18:52  

I'm like, what, no, that's cute. Where are my bags? They're like, No, they're not here. We don't know where they are. And the guide was at the airport. He's like, we need to go like you either climb now or you're not climbing because the weather is going to change. And this is our window. I'm like, Well, I don't have any of my stuff. We can go to a rental store and see what they have. Okay, I don't know if anybody skied in rental gear, but come on. Really? Okay, sweet. So we go to this rental store, and like Russia just opened from COVID It's September 2021. I don't know if anybody remembers COVID. But it kind of turned into this outdoor fanatical time period of life. So none of these stores have any gear whatsoever because there's no inventory because no one's shipping and making anything anywhere. Right? So I go into this store. I have to buy this jacket or I roll up the sleeves. I have to keep a backpack on and by a carabiner otherwise it falls off my shoulders. I got (inaudible) that are three sizes too big. I looked like an orphan. I'm like okay, and then I'm a girl. The coat that fit me was maroon. I hate maroon. I'm like I can't wear a maroon jacket. It's gonna look bad. And it's not my color. I have given up a lot right now, you've drawn the line.

Lesley Logan 20:12  

Oh my God, this is so crazy. Because also like with those things, like there's certain things that you like you feel good in, you feel competent in and do you don't feel confident in maroon. And now you've to go climb this mountain and shoot everything.

Jenn Drummond 20:26  

And let's just add this little detail that I don't share very often. I didn't have underwear, right? Because my underwear is in my bag. She's not there or whatever. And in Russia, they don't have normal, it's a different type of store. I don't know if I should say the word normal because that says it's negative, but it's just different. Yeah. And so the store that we're going in, you know, resembles more of a 7-11 than maybe a Target. And so they have like a few pairs of underwear. I walk out of the store with Scooby Doo underwear that has like a little penis pocket thing because they're for little boys. It's the closest thing that's gonna fit me so that's what we're wearing, friends. Let's party on.

Lesley Logan 21:11  

So did you okay, I want to know, did you get to that peak? Did that work? Did it work out with all that gear?

Jenn Drummond 21:17  

I summitted that mountain in Scooby Doo underwear, in gear that didn't fit. And here's the other thing, like I broke a toe going down because my feet kept slamming into the front of the boot. And so it's so painful. And for a part of this mountain like the second highest point in Europe, I'm butt scooting down the side because I don't want to bump my toe into the front of the boot anymore. I'm like, thank God, I didn't have my GoPro right now because it's gone in luggage land because there couldn't be one more thing that goes wrong at this moment in my life.

Lesley Logan 21:50  

Oh my God, I can't believe, but I love that, when you write your own book someday, or maybe you did already.

Jenn Drummond 21:50  

I did. 

Lesley Logan 21:56  

You did. Did you have a Scooby Doo chapter I feel like you need it, like

Jenn Drummond 22:01  

No, they cut it out. 

Lesley Logan 22:02  

Oh jeez, because that's so funny. There's so much like, it's so I can imagine it like it's I, my husband and I did the mountain in Jeju. And then the name is escaping me. But it's the highest mountain in South Korea which we used to hike all the time. And when L.A. we like stopped hiking, and we moved to Vegas, and it's six miles up six miles down. And six miles up is the easiest fucking thing in the world. The six miles down, I fell twice. My foot was shaking until it hit the ground. Because like you're just, it's going down the mountain is actually the hardest part. And I was like, I wish I wish I could go down on my butt right now. But that is not happening on this mountain. So I just was like trying to go sideways. I turned around. Like it was a whole thing just to get down and went there was like no way to get a cab there. And this girl was right in front of me. And she walked up to the only cab that was there. But she hesitated. I said, Oh, are you not taking that? And she's like, so kind. She's like, which is her fault? Not mine. She's like, Oh, you can have it. And I was like we're taking it and I just grabbed her I like get the fuck over here and get in this car, we're never gonna get a cab and we're going straight to a massage place right now.

Jenn Drummond 23:14  

What people don't understand is the downhill is when most of most of the accidents happen, like more people die on the descent than the ascent. It's crazy. 

Lesley Logan 23:23  

That's so interesting. Thanks. So okay, so that was your second or third of the

Jenn Drummond 23:29  

It was the fourth attempt, third summit. Okay. And then I went to Antarctica. And climbed the second highest point there. Yeah, that was a pretty epic adventure. That mountain has only been summited by one female before me. And only by about 15 people before me. And the two years prior to us going there had no success. So when we were looking at the notes, right, the notes are a few years old, snow has happened, weathers happen, whatever. And you're like, okay, well, is that rock missing? Because it rolled down the mountain? Is it underneath the snow? Did we take a wrong turn? Like you just it's very interesting when you don't have as much information? Yeah, when you're starting on a pursuit and how much energy it takes just to do all the little movements, because the path's not paved. And I really like LinkedIn to that mountain realizing that every step we all take is so significant for the next generation to be able to do it more efficiently and then go further than what what were you able to do in our (inaudible). And then from Antarctica. I wanted to climb Mount Logan, which is the second highest point in North America next to Denali. We didn't summit, we had terrible weather, terrible weather. It was too dangerous to continue. So we came home went back to K2 and summited so, woohoo. 

Lesley Logan 23:29  

Okay, you did it. Yeah. 

Jenn Drummond 23:31  

Did it? Yep. And then went to Australia to climb Mount Townsend. And then we waited till May again to climb out Logan because the climbing season is in May. And we had summit success on June 1st of 2023 and the record was set. 

Lesley Logan 25:10  

Oh my God, you are a Guinness World Record holder right here and also you, that's three years from like, less than three years.

Jenn Drummond 25:20  

Yeah, two and a half years.

Lesley Logan 25:20  

Yeah. Two and a half years. Also, as someone who's used to flying to Southeast Asia a lot. I don't know how you got flights to half these places, because they're just because they opened up doesn't mean anyone's like to take boats. Like, that's just the journey to even achieving this goal is really cool. I feel and I just want to highlight what you said about Antarctica. It's like your, the footsteps you're taking, it's like you're, you are leaving a path for the next person. And we're all doing that. And so sometimes when we're like, I have to tell myself, it's not easy. I can't always accept it. But like when you're like, Okay, I'm doing this challenge, it's the fucking hardest thing I've ever done. But it is going to be easier for the next person behind me. And if that, some days I can help you just take one more step.

Lesley Logan 25:21  

Whatever you need to do to get your mind to allow you to do one more step. Right. Yeah. And that is where the magic lies. 

Lesley Logan 25:59  

So okay, to your kids, do your kids think that you're the coolest like they do they, are they as excited about this as

Jenn Drummond 26:16  

This is my, this is my son. This is like, this is my life in a nutshell. If I could give you a 32nd overview of what my life is like, I land in the airport. My son gives me a hug. Mom, congratulations. It's so awesome. You're gonna be at the book. Yeah, honey, I'm super excited. Mom, you have bad breath. What have you been doing? Like, I've been on a plane for like, 10 hours. Thank you. Love you too. That's life, like, you're like the coolest thing in the world. And then you're something gross. So that's how it goes. 

Lesley Logan 26:48  

It's a balance. Yeah.

Jenn Drummond 26:49  

Yeah. It's a balance.

Lesley Logan 26:50  

I mean, this, but I have to imagine that the training for this is really hard at when it's any time of the year, especially when you have or ,anybody but also adding on all the kids you have and homeschooling them and getting them back into things. And they have needs. How, how are you? How are you able to, like add this into your life because I think that's a lot of people get stuck. Adding something new can be so hard, whether it's to the budget or to the time or the calendar. And you don't just like go for hikes in Park City and like learn how to mountaineer like, I'm sure there's like a lot of things you had to do hours probably every time you went to do it. So how is that? How was adding this into your life?

Jenn Drummond 27:29  

Yeah, so the nice thing is, is that it is accumulation, right. So at least I'm climbing seven mountains, it's not like, Oh, I'm gonna go swim a sea and sail a boat and hike them out, you know, like all of it is building off of each other. So you do have that endurance piece and just that knowledge that kind of accumulates. But my training did not look like my friends who had no children or who had no jobs, right? My training was very much intentional, and very structured. So on Sundays, I would put in my calendar for the week with my kids, I'd fill in all my work stuff. And sometimes I had to do it by the month. But then on the weekly basis, I'd break into it. And I'd be like, Okay, Coach, here's what I have left to train, and my coach would look at me like, okay, funny, like, what am I going to do with this? There's nothing I can work with. I'm like, well, I have to pay for my life, and I have to feed humans. So mountaineering is the third thing. And what would happen is we started to get creative. So when you have restrictions or limitations or whatever, that's not a no, that's a time to pull out the creativity bone and figure out what you're going to do. And so some of the meetings that I was on, I didn't have to be visually present. So I could walk on the treadmill and do the Zoom call. Right. And I had this little thing called this Firefly. I don't know if you met Fred, the Firefly. But yes, Fred, the Firefly, a very nice friend of mine. And he listens on all my Zoom meetings that we invite him to. And he takes all the notes for me so then I can be walking. I'm like, oh, Fred caught that. I'll make sure I look at it a little more detailed later on. And so that was helpful. And then when my kids had soccer games, right, soccer games are an hour and a half they're forever. Especially when your kids not good. They're even longer, an hour and a half. And so I would bring a 12-inch step to the game. I'd bring a backpack full of water bottles, and I was that mom like standing on the sideline, going doing my step up. So I was watching the game instead of the mom that was sitting there just watching. So I had to you know, I had to make it work.

Lesley Logan 29:30  

I think that's so cool. I love that you brought up the Firefly, we use Fathom, you guys, there's so many note-takers out there now and they're so great because they'll highlight all the questions that are being asked and you're like someone asked a question, what was that question? If you can't like, listen to the whole thing. It's, I love that there's so you utilize the tools that were out there to be as creative as possible. And I actually think that constraints. I actually think the busier you are, the more likely you are to succeed at the things you want to do because you you have to make it work, you can't go, Oh, I'll do that workout later because, you know, this came up or this came up, like I have friends. I'm on a, I'm on a thread on WhatsApp, like 50-something people, which is chaos. And I'm like when do these people sleep, and like, sometimes they're planning all these things and I'm like, they can't they they're like, Oh, I wasn't able to make it, this came up and I'm like, No, I don't this, I make everything happen. Because if I don't, there's no other opportunity later in the week to recap that, like I have to happen on the day it is. And I find that one, it makes me a person you can rely on for sure, because I'm gonna show up when I said I was because that's when it's gonna happen. But also, it really helps me hold myself accountable to the challenges I want to take on for myself, because I don't have a time to procrastinate. So I think that that can also be great. 

Jenn Drummond 30:44  

Right. Like, I don't have an option it does now or does not ever happen. 

Lesley Logan 30:47  

Yeah, yeah. Does now or does not. And then also, you know, your kids are seeing you still being there for them. But also, creatively find a way to be there for the things that you want to do, which I think is really cool for them to learn. 

Jenn Drummond 31:01  

Yeah and we're doing life in parallel, right? Like before, it was me kind of appreciate, oh, do your homework, eat healthy exercise, blah, blah, blah, when you're doing it with them. Yeah, I don't want to eat healthy either honey, but I have to, or I don't feel like working out. But if I don't, I could die. So I have to work out and you need to do your math. And this is how it works. And so you can just relate to each other in those pain points, and motivate each other to continue on. And I think that's benefited our relationship at a level I didn't expect.

Lesley Logan 31:28  

Yeah, I imagine you're right. Because I think sometimes kids just want to feel seen. And they're things that don't actually need you to tell they know that do their homework. But like, they they want to say it's hard, and they want to be able to feel their feelings. And instead of us I'm like, Oh, just do it anyways, you're like, Yeah, I feel that too. Like, here's like, I think that's actually really healthy. 

Jenn Drummond 31:50  

Yeah, you know it's been great. 

Lesley Logan 31:52  

Yeah. So okay, so you did that you in two and a half years, you did something no woman has ever done, which is insane. Like when you think about it, two and a half years was not a long period of time. What did you do to celebrate that? Because I feel like it's so important. Did you have time? I mean, you have life that you'd go back to and work and kids about? Like, was there a time that you could like, celebrate what you did before you like made a new goal? 

Jenn Drummond 32:15  

Yeah, I have not made a new goal. Yes. And I want to share that because I think our society preaches what's next, what's next, what's next. And we forget to enjoy what is. And so I made a promise to myself, like I was not picking up another goal for 12 months, because I'm a fast start and a hard stop. So I need to be very cautious of what I pick up. And for me, I was like, You know what I want to teach my kids to appreciate and respect the rest, and respect the recovery and respect, like the cycle of life, it's not always go, go go, we'd need to nurture and nourish ourselves to be able to go when the next thing calls. So I'm very much taking an attentional gap year, or whatever you want to call it. I do have a book coming out in January. So it's named, Breakproof: 7 Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals. I wrote that along the journey. And I really wrote it to myself, before I started on the quest, because I named it Breakproof. And the reason why I named it Breakproof is because when you think of the term break, you can take a break and evaluate what's going on. Or you can be doing something and not really paying attention to things that aren't working. And then all sudden something breaks, right? You don't get the job, the relationship has an issue or whatever else. But it's in those breaks, that we have the proof to know what's working, what's not working, how do we want to continue forward, what maybe we don't want to continue forward, and we want to pivot and go another direction, whatever that is, is fine, as long as you continue to pursue life. And so I wrote this book, and I take people on the adventure of the different mountains, I go to extract the different lessons that I think fall under the category of resilience. Help the reader figure out, oh, if I have a big goal, it's going to take a big team, because big mountains, take big teams and just all these little things that help you have those oh, yeah, I see that. Okay. Yeah, here's where it didn't work for me. Here's some things I can do to maybe get further up the mountain next time.

Lesley Logan 32:16  

Yeah. Oh, I'm so excited about this. Because I, I mean, even as you're talking about the different things that you like, learn how to do along the way, wear maroon but also, you know, like that you sometimes you show up to things and you don't have all the tools that you've been practicing with and like the show does go on and you have to decide how you're going to go through with that. I mean, I'm so glad that that one worked out because I don't know that you would have been able to get in again. But I am excited for this book. We'll make sure it's on the show notes for when this episode comes out and everything, because I think a lot of our listeners would love to, like, hear the story. I mean, it was just I hope someone makes a movie about it too. Like, there's just I hope you have a whole team doing that, because it's so fun to see that challenge, but also reflect upon what we learn along the way. It's not just like how to be a better mountaineer. It's like, everything can apply to the rest of your life. 

Jenn Drummond 35:25  

100% 

Lesley Logan 35:26  

Yeah. And I just am relishing that you, you're like, I'm going to take a gap year because one, it allows you to probably finish this book and also really kind of dislike just you. That's a frickin crazy accomplishment. And also, like, what do you want to do next? I think we do move so fast to the next thing we don't actually pay attention to like is this what I want to do, or is this like, what other people want for me to do?

Jenn Drummond 35:52  

Easy to get caught in that cycle? For sure. 

Lesley Logan 35:54  

Yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh, well, you're amazing. We'll take a brief break, and then we'll find out where people can hear more about you. 

Lesley Logan 36:00  

All right, Jenn, where do you hang out? I mean, if you have time to hang out on the socials or the websites, like where can people get more from you?  

Jenn Drummond 36:08  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my website is jenndrummond.com. And that's Jenn with two Ns. And if you head there, you can preorder my book, which gives you a whole bunch of fun freebies, and all that good stuff. I have some challenges there. I do speaking events, I have a course. And then also all of my social media are housed there. So depending on what platform you prefer to communicate on, reach out say hi, I love connecting with people. That's why I do podcasts. It's just so fun to hear other people's stories and what mountains they're taking on. 

Lesley Logan 36:40  

Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I think that's a really great, I. It's really great. Before I let you go, you've given us like a lot of life lessons along the way. But in case people wanted to wait till the end for that last final bit, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Jenn Drummond 36:58  

Yes. Okay, so I have this red light by my house. And for the longest time I get so grumpy because I'm on the short side. So I always hit the light red. And I'm a person that's super busy. So these people who have morning routines that seem to take the whole darn day, and can journal and gratitude and all this kind of stuff. I don't know those people like I've never met one, I'm never going to be one I don't think so one day I'm sitting at the red light. I'm super grumpy because it's red. And then I sat to myself, I'm like, you know what, I'm the only person complaining about this red light. The red light is not mad that it's red. Only I'm mad that it's red. I'm done being mad at the red light, I'm gonna turn this light into my gratitude light. So every single time I hit the light read, I'm going to start going through my gratitude list, because I don't have time for gratitude journal. And this is a way to like get it into my day. And so everybody in my car knows, like, wow, we hit the red light. It's gratitude time. And everybody goes through their gratitude. And this has changed the switch on the story so much that now when we hit a green, we're like, oh, man, we don't get to like go do our gratitude now, we got the green light. So I'm sharing that for everybody listening, because I'm sure you hit red lights in your life. And when you do take the pause and be grateful.

Lesley Logan 38:17  

Yes. Yes, because gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space. So what a fabulous way to use that time. Oh my gosh, you're full of awesomeness. I'm so glad we met. I'm really just like, I'm touched by this whole interview. And I'm really excited for everyone to hear it. 

Lesley Logan 38:33  

You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? What was your favorite takeaway? Tag Jenn Drummond. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs some help climbing a mountain in their life. I mean, what a great way to inspire the people around us. And Jenn, just thank you for showing how you can be a mom of seven kids, and take on your amazing dreams and how you made it work because I know that that's gonna be so helpful for every single person who's listening to this. So thank you for being here. And until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 39:03  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 39:34  

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Lesley Logan 39:39  

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Brad Crowell 39:43  

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Lesley Logan 39:50  

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Brad Crowell 39:56  

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How do you find the balance between self-love and tough love? In this episode, Brad and Lesley unpack the takeaways and action steps from singer-songwriter Janey Brown, highlighting her fearless journey in performing, academia, self-discovery, and why discipline is more important than motivation.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Why you need to balance self-love and tough love to achieve your goals.
• The humbling experience and trying to balance multiple pursuits.
• Why discipline and not motivation is what you need to help you show up for yourself.
• The beneficial way to be more in tune with your gut.

Episode References/Links:

• eLevate Round Four Mentorship Program
• Early Bird for Cambodia Waitlist
• Agency Mini
• Flashcard Decks
• Waitlist for Upcoming Decks
• Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

Where motivation lacks discipline must live yeah and we have talked about this before if you've listened to any via pod you probably have heard someone or myself say there's like motivation is not going to get you very far fickle friend it's like a friend and so discipline habits are the things you need to help you show up for yourself.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life are going to dig into the per (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 1:14  

Did you do that on purpose? (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 1:17  

We're gonna dig into the perspicacious... did you choose this word?

Brad Crowell 1:24  

That was right except you laughed so nobody could understand you. So what is the word? 

Lesley Logan 1:29  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life are going to dig into the perspicacious convo. Why? Why did you pick this word? I know Bel didn't pick this word.

Brad Crowell 1:41  

I didn't pick this word. 

Lesley Logan 1:43  

Bel picked this word? 

Lesley Logan 1:44  

Bel picked this word.

Lesley Logan 1:45  

Bel, I can't. I have, I went to speech therapy. These are too many S's and P's together.

Brad Crowell 1:50  

Perspicacious. 

Lesley Logan 1:52  

Perspicacious convo. Well, anyways, it was a deep convo I had with Janey Brown in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us or if you'd like to listen to this one and then go back and listen to that one. That's great. You can do you. 

Brad Crowell 2:09  

Do it. 

Lesley Logan 2:10  

Today, if you're listening in real time is December 21, 2023, and is the winter solstice. The winter solstice marks a day with the shortest period of daylight, a.k.a. everyone's worst nightmare, and the longest night of the year in the northern hemisphere. All thanks to the tilt of the earth and in many cultures today is a day of feasting and celebration but even if you're totally agnostic, you can still find a reason to rejoice because after today, you'll see gradually shorter nights and longer days, which means it's better. It's better when there's more daylight. It's better. It's a real thing. Seasonal Affective Disorder is a real thing. 

Brad Crowell 2:49  

Oh, I do not disagree.

Lesley Logan 2:51  

Thank you. Thank goodness, I have a red light therapy system on SaunaSpace. Check the links in the bio we'll get you the discount code because you will need it on this day. So we are currently on tour, I believe, as we speak we're in Brooklyn, tomorrow we're in Manhattan. We and then we are in Hershey and away a few days off before Greensboro, 

Brad Crowell 3:12  

North Carolina

Lesley Logan 3:13  

Charleston, that's in South Carolina, Miami, Sarasota,

Brad Crowell 3:20  

Austin, Texas, Dallas, Albuquerque, and then

Lesley Logan 3:23  

And Sedona, 

Brad Crowell 3:24  

Sedona, Arizona.

Lesley Logan 3:27  

Yes, I'm sure they appreciate how you said that state name. Anyways, after the tour, I'm going to kick off eLevate my fourth round of my mentorship program. So there might be a spotlight when you listen to this. 

Lesley Logan 3:39  

There might be.

Lesley Logan 3:39  

There might be. You definitely don't want to wait till 2025, just gonna say it.  

Brad Crowell 3:43  

There's still time to get in. The kickoff calls on in early January but the first weekend of workshops is actually not until February. 

Lesley Logan 3:52  

Yeah. So you'll want to go to lesleylogon.co/elevate for that. Or shoot me a message and we're gonna call to chat about it.

Brad Crowell 4:00  

Why would they do it with a one liner? Why would they do it? 

Lesley Logan 4:02  

You're burning out tired of feeling like you don't know what you're doing and you pre-plan away too much only for your client to come in with broken arms. So it's for all of you who are trying to be perfect in your teaching guess what, there's no such thing and it actually helps you understand the why behind the what because my teacher was one of those Pilates clients.

Brad Crowell 4:21  

I love that, understand the why behind the what. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Yeah, it's not about being a parrot, y'all. Then later in January, we're going to open up the doors for early bird for Cambodia, the space is super limited and those on the waitlist for that are going to get the best early bird option rate.

Brad Crowell 4:40  

Oh yeah, we're going in October. But we're going to start the kickoff and all that kind of stuff in January. So stay tuned for that. You can get on the waitlist at lesleylogan.co/retreats with an S. 

Lesley Logan 4:53  

Yeah. And then in February it's Agency Mini number 10.

Brad Crowell 4:59  

Holy macaroni. 

Lesley Logan 5:01  

Yeah, dop. What's 10 in Cambodian? Dop?

Brad Crowell 5:04  

Dop.

Lesley Logan 5:05  

Dop, dop, dop. Yeah. So and then the 10th one, and it's really, really exciting. So Pilates teachers out there that one is for you, if you are wanting to actually get paid, doing what you love. Yeah. So or you want to actually maybe you're already being paid, but you're over working yourself. Let's talk about it.

Brad Crowell 5:23  

Yeah. So if you want to get more info about that, get on the waitlist for Mini at profitablepilates.com/mini. 

Lesley Logan 5:31  

Yeah. Before we dive into Janey Brown's amazing words for us, do we have audience question to answer? 

Brad Crowell 5:38  

Oh, we sure do. Today, quite exciting, today is a fun one for us because it's something that we're super passionate about. We were asked, hey, love your decks? Do you sell them as a bundle? And what she was referencing is the flashcard decks that are available through OPC onlinepilatesclasses.com. We have these epic flashcard decks that I jokingly refer as the most complex off-hand side comment that Lesley ever made, oh, hey, we should make decks and I was like, oh my gosh, I know how to do that. And now it's been four years and I don't know, 2000 hours later, at least, you know, to put all these decks together. And we've two more decks coming. So do we sell them as a bundle? Today, we do not. However, 

Lesley Logan 6:25  

However, we will someday.

Brad Crowell 6:27  

Tuned in two more years when the last decks are released. And then we're gonna make a fun little like, pack to hold everything.

Lesley Logan 6:34  

Brad wants to make a collector's box. 

Brad Crowell 6:35  

I really do. 

Lesley Logan 6:36  

So if you are waiting on the bundle, because you think bundle equals discount, that's not happening. 

Brad Crowell 6:42  

No, it's gonna be the opposite. 

Lesley Logan 6:45  

Here's the deal, guys. It's not because I don't want you to save money. I love people making money saving money doing it, I understand all I understand that money is an investment when you buy things, you have to also understand that these decks cost a frickin fortune to make a fortune to make. You have like just a chair deck alone, we had to sell over 300 decks before it paid our investment back. So and that was not the time.

Brad Crowell 7:12  

That was just the print.

Lesley Logan 7:13  

That was just the print.

Brad Crowell 7:14  

That wasn't the 500 hours at least it took to actually make it. Not that you should be crying for us. But the reality is, you know, these these decks are, they've been put together with a lot of love and care. And there's, I don't know, half dozen, maybe even more people who are touching every deck before it makes it into your hands. Plus, then we obviously worked with a really amazing manufacturer in Florida. And they're making them super high quality. So we're really, really proud of them. And we absolutely want to have a bundle. We're not there yet. We have two more decks to release before we do that.

Lesley Logan 7:45  

Yeah, so at any rate if you are like but I want to save money on your decks here is the secret. Here's a secret sauce. We only put a new deck on sale when it's on presale. That's right. And if you are on the waitlist, you are going to get the presale price. So we actually do not do a public presale. It is a private presale. So you want to go on the waitlist. I think Brad is going to look that up because I actually don't know what that waitlist thing is. But, but if you're on that, then you'll get the best price because we actually give you the presale 30% off with the with the regular price is going to be and we don't put the other decks on sale generally. I'm not gonna say never, but pretty much not. And they definitely go 30% off ever again. So at any rate, I want you to have these because they're amazing. I also promise you they are really worth every single penny. Each card is really beautifully made. So

Brad Crowell 8:40  

Yeah, so if you if you're interested in more information about that, you can actually see what flashcards we're talking about if you go to opc.me/flashcards. And if you're interested in getting on the waitlist for the upcoming beryls deck or the upcoming accessories deck, just chat to us go to opc.me/chat. And we'll make sure to add you to those waitlists and you'll be in the know. Great question. Thanks. 

Lesley Logan 9:04  

You can send your questions in just anywhere you can get in contact with us and we'll answer it on the next pod.

Brad Crowell 9:13  

Okay, now let's talk about Janey Brown. She's a multi-talented individual, a singer, performer and psychology student who has a strong belief in the power of healthy habits and discipline. Janey has faced challenges and setbacks but remains resilient and determined to pursue her goal, even if it means taking a slower path. She values the process of self-discovery and embracing one's dark side to achieve personal growth and fulfillment. 

Lesley Logan 9:41  

Yeah, she um I love it. She's like a multi-hyphenated individual because like it's really fun to see someone go after something that is so artistic and people might think like, oh my God, you're made as a musician, then she is actually challenging herself in the next way to like, incorporate all the interests that she has and she you know, one of the reasons we wanted to talk to her is because she she does things, even with the fear, like forcing herself to do things even though she is scared. And for her, it's actually quite hilarious that academia was the less scary route I thought... 

Brad Crowell 10:13  

She's a stage performer, but going to school was scarier than singing on church. 

Lesley Logan 10:19  

Yeah, which would be like the exact opposite of most people. Most people I find, like, I'll go back to school because that feels safe and not like, doing the other thing, which feels really scary because you're usually putting themselves out there. So I just thought it was like a kind of funny irony. Anyways, she for her going academia was outside of her comfort zone. And she, she said she has that she tries to while forcing the fear, she's also trying to be kind and loving towards yourself. Because I think it's really easy to get hard on ourselves with these things, we feel like we should be doing something better. But she said, in order to find the best version of yourself, you actually do need to be kind and loving to who you are. And if you're a perfectionist, she did say you might find you might struggle to do this, because you're looking for a balance of the right amount of self love, also and the right amount of tough love. And by the way, 

Brad Crowell 11:11  

Well, if you're looking if you're a perfectionist, you're looking for the exact equation. 

Lesley Logan 11:14  

Yeah, and I'm just gonna tell you right now, there fucking isn't one. No. Also, there's no such thing as balance. Like there are there are objects and bridges and interesting things that are inbound like balanced in their position. They're also like, because of infrastructure tied the fuck down to make sure they don't fall over. Like even the Leaning Tower of Pizza, pizza, Pisa, Pisa,

Brad Crowell 11:38  

The Leaning Tower of Pisa perspicacious

Lesley Logan 11:41  

(Inaudible) isn't balancing in its lane, there are things that are holding it up. So the reality is, is like balance is just the worst goal you could ever have. So is certainty. And so I think what I really enjoy was like, you know, she just to like sum up, she is nice to herself, but also sometimes be tough with herself to get to do something that she's scared to do. And then also she acknowledges that like it's really okay to rest because that might be giving it all you got that day. And I thought that that was a really cool reminder, because I heard somewhere on Instagram. I didn't hear it. I read it. I read it on Instagram. This this like quote card said, like if you only have 30% to give and you give 30% you gave 100%. And I really loved it because

Lesley Logan 11:41  

 The effort you could give that day. 

Lesley Logan 11:52  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that and that is what comes to mind when it's like resting might be giving it your all. So I just thought that she had some really great, honest, vulnerable things we could take away as we're, if you're listening, and you're trying to do something new in your life. What do you love? 

Brad Crowell 12:48  

Yeah, so to me, this was like, like, right up my alley. She mentioned that, of course, the grass can be greener on the other side. But then reminded us that, you know, the way we see what people are presenting, we're only seeing what they want us to see. Right. So we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and what people are actually struggling with. Right. And so she said countless people were looking at her going back to school saying, oh my God, you're so lucky. You get to go back to school. Right? And she's like, Yeah, well, I didn't feel lucky at all. This was actually super difficult for me to do really challenging for me to do, because they're comparing it to like they're bringing their own, you know, story to her conversation. Right. And it wasn't her reality. Right? It wasn't reality for her I mean, so they're saying like, Oh my God, that's so that's so lucky, good for you. Lucky for you. And she's like, actually, I'd rather be singing on stage. But I need to do this right now at this point in my life. So and then she also talked about the humbling experience and trying to balance multiple pursuits, right? How do you go back to school and have your you know, stage performing your career? And how do you balance all that stuff? And how do you treat yourself you know, because the conversation that it's really easy to again, like right in line with the grass being greener, greener on the other side, is you see what other people are doing? And you're like, I feel behind, right? And what you you two are talking about which I thought was really quite poignant.

Lesley Logan 14:34  

I was waiting for you to say poignant. I love an episode Brad brings up the word poignant.

Brad Crowell 14:39  

Is that it's possible that someone who's kicking ass doing something similar to you is only doing that thing. Again, you don't actually know. Right? So if they are able to focus, man, they really could be taking leaps and bounds in the place that you want to be, but you're doing two things, right? And so maybe you're not moving as quickly as them or, you know you're feeling behind. But for the for what's on your plate, you're you are actually moving forward at the pace that's possible when you're juggling multiple things, right? Yeah. And she said, That's really tough, especially for high achievers, because the ego kicks in and you really start beating yourself up.

Lesley Logan 15:17  

Yeah, well, what's the race like? What? What's the hurry? I think as a high recovering high achiever, overachiever, I'm gonna say overachiever as though because I am a recovering overachiever. One of the things I have constantly have to remind myself of is like, No one put the deadline there but me.

Brad Crowell 15:34  

Most often, it's our own deadline, right? 

Lesley Logan 15:36  

We had in our adult lives in the last three and a half years, there was like one deadline, that was not our deadline that we had to meet goals by. 

Brad Crowell 15:47  

You're talking about buying our house? 

Lesley Logan 15:49  

Yes. Yeah. That was the only deadline that like, yeah, the only real deadline that like we had legit consequences. Every other deadline. It's like arbitrary. It's like the end of the year calendar. It's you know, like these are?

Brad Crowell 16:03  

I mean, there's opportunities with certain deadlines, like, now's the right time of the year to be marketing this or that. 

Lesley Logan 16:09  

Correct. 

Brad Crowell 16:10  

But it's not like a hard deadline.

Lesley Logan 16:13  

Yeah. And, you know, I was just listening to James Wedmore. He said, he's got so many coaches that he, he coaches, like so many entrepreneurs that he coaches, that every single one of them has done a sale at one particular time of every week of the year, summer, winter, spring fall, like, yes, there are these like lightning in a bottle dates, that could be awesome. If you make things happen by then. Yeah, but I really have to remind myself like what is for you will not pass you. Like what is for you will not pass you. So if what you're doing is literally the thing you are like, I should be doing this and everyone should be doing it for me. The results you're going to get the things you want are not going to pass you by Just because you weren't ready by some specific Tuesday holiday that really no one cares about. Yeah, like winter solstice. How many of you remember this? It's the same date, by the way. It's always 12-21. Always, you can't like it's always it's not like the second Tuesday of every fifth month. It's like the same day. It is okay to go guess well, we're doing Cyber Monday next time. Like you just take that pressure off because you're putting this pressure that there's this deadline that you made for yourself. Now. I love the deadline because for those procrastinators out there, it's what you need. But it's also okay to go well, I hit this obstacle and this obstacle cost me 30 days, well then move the deadline. 30 days, why are you killing yourself? 

Brad Crowell 17:35  

Yeah. Also, you know, the other thing is to our other coach, Rory, basically says, you know, what you focus on is what's going to move forward. And if you try to focus on too many things, you're not going to move much forward. You know, or if you are, you just have to be okay, with knowing that they're only gonna move forward incrementally. Yep. You know, it's not gonna be leaps and bounds. So maybe focusing on less things will allow you to really move the needle on that one or two projects.

Lesley Logan 18:07  

Yeah, I'm in.

Brad Crowell 18:09  

All right. So finally, let's talk about those be it action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Janey Brown?

Lesley Logan 18:20  

I liked I liked this quote she gave where motivation lacks discipline must live. And we have talked about this before. If you've listened to any Be It pod, you probably have heard someone or myself say there's like motivation is not going to get you very far. It's a fickle friend. And so discipline, habits are the things you need to help you show up for yourself. And we actually are listening to this guy who I'm hoping to get on the pod. I just actually have to reach out to him. I'm sure it's totally possible. But he was talking about like pushing or pulling. And he's like, pushing is like willpower. And a lot of us is like put willpower and motivation the same way. Push it, you will get exhausted and it will not be there when you need it. It's not

Brad Crowell 19:08  

It's great for getting started. But, eventually. it fizzles. Right. You burn out.

Lesley Logan 19:12  

Yeah. BJ Fogg says in Tiny Habits, like motivation is really great if the start to doing something is harder. So for example, like you're trying to push a, you know, a rock up a hill, you need motivation at the beginning to get it going. But after that, it's going to be your habits that keep it going. So in the other example that we're talking about with push and pull, pulling are the things that you do, the minds that you have, the actions that you take that help welcome, and kind of pull you along, which is so much nicer, who wouldn't like to be pulled along? Gotta be honest. One day you pulled me in a wagon. That was a great dogwalk. Loved it. Loved it. Right. So at any rate, if you are struggling with your motivation, I want you to look at your habits. I want you to look at the discipline you have in your life, because that is what's keeping you from achieving the goals you want and the desires you have. It's not your motivation. It's not that you need more of it. What What about you? 

Brad Crowell 19:12  

Yeah. So, you know, she mentioned, I thought this was really a fantastic follow-up to last week's episode where we were talking about our gut. Right? Or the what's the word that we rehearsed? No, the word that we were using in replacement of gut from last one we did on Wednesday?

Lesley Logan 20:36  

Intuition?

Brad Crowell 20:38  

Yeah. Where she was talking about our gut or our intuition. You know, the follow up from last week's episode, she also mentioned our heart. And ultimately, she mentioned our nervous system. And I thought this was really interesting, because we were talking about how do we get in touch with our how do we stay attuned, in tune with our gut? And she's, she mentioned that it's connected to the nervous system, right? And ultimately, what does it make your body feel like and what I really liked what she said, you know, it actually requires a, or not requires, but you can be more in tuned with your gut, through a physical practice of some way, whether that's running or Pilates, or yoga, or whatever. I mean, she does yoga, right? And she said, there's two types of yoga in this in the sense of what we're talking about here. One is the I'm gonna go in and beat the shit out of myself yoga. And then there's the other type of yoga where you're like, actually, like, being grounded and taking it easy and listening to yourself. That's a really beneficial way to be more in tune with your gut or more in tune with your nervous system. And when you're willing to listen to your body. Like you're literally listening to your body. So that's how you can stay more in touch with your gut. So I thought that was really, I thought that was really practical, helpful advice for something that like I said before, can be sometimes two woo's but it's not, it can be one woo here.

Lesley Logan 22:06  

So yeah, one woo all the way. 

Brad Crowell 22:09  

Love it. I thought that was really great. 

Lesley Logan 22:11  

Yeah. Well, how are you guys going to use the tips in your life? Like which ones were your takeaways? We want to know. We love hearing from you. And it's so much fun. I our Agency members tell us inside of agency all the time, which is like so fun. In fact, I've seen some of them quote people's Be It actions they're like hey, did you listen to this episode because that actually might help you here? I'm like, that's so great. Um, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 22:32  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 22:33  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We are not taking a break during the holiday you're gonna get your episodes on the same cadence because I know what it's like to be on a travel trip and zero podcast in fact the day we're recording this I just want you to know I have one podcast in my Listen Now and I had to save it because I know Brad is gonna listen to it on the dog walk so because I don't want to leave your Listen Now's empty. We got some epic interviews, recaps, some FYFs they're all coming at you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 23:06  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 23:08  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 23:39  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 23:44  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 23:48  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 23:55  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 24:00  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Janey's story is a testament to the power of embracing change and pursuing diverse passions. In this episode, Lesley explores Janey's remarkable transition from the world of music to academia, uncovering the intricacies of managing multiple lanes that require restructuring and pushing through discomfort.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• When to force yourself through fear and apply tough or tender love.
• Some grounding practices to connect with your intuition. 
• Why do you need to be comfortable despite slow progress?
• How to restructure your mindset to cope with the challenges of multiple pursuits.
• The role of self-discipline when we lack motivation.

Episode References/Links:

• Follow Janey on IG
• Check out Janey’s Website Fearce Academy
• Mentions, Be It Pod guest speaker Kate Wind episode 157
• Mentions, Jungian Psychology by Carl Gustav Jung

Guest Bio:

Janey Brown is a seasoned speaker, coach, and accomplished singer, who leverages her expertise to inspire and guide individuals towards personal growth and self-discovery. With a strong commitment to mental well-being, Janey's work is a testament to her dedication to helping others navigate life's challenges

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Episode Transcript:

Janey Brown 0:00  

I've really battled with myself internally on feeling behind like that's probably one of my biggest negative internal narratives is like I'm behind, I'm behind. I'm not doing enough. I'm not going fast enough. Like, constantly comparing. It can get really brutal.

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:58  

All right, loves, I got something cool for you today. So first of all, thank you for being here. Thank you for being a listener of the show. Thank you for hitting subscribe and line this download into your wherever you listen to podcasts. It means the world, you have no idea like you actually have no idea that when you listen to the end, that matter that when you download the podcast, it matters, that like when you share it with just one friend like it matters and podcast, any podcasts that you love. That is how they grow. It is definitely a community effort. And so I just wanna say thank you for being here. And helping me make this dream come true. 

Lesley Logan 1:30  

We have such incredible guests coming out with, next that I am just, you know, it's so hard for me as someone who I've really I love instant gratification. And I also can't keep a secret. I mean, I can keep secrets, but like, when it's like not gonna hurt anyone. And it's my own secret to tell like, I can't keep it. And so it's sometimes it's so hard for me to not like share with you guys like all the amazing things that are coming out. But I can't wait for you to experience them and have their words in your ears. And today is one of those guests. When I came across Janey Brown, I really enjoyed how she talked about her journey, mental health and like, She's so honest and authentic around the journey that it takes to go back to school, and to put yourself in a space that's uncomfortable. And so we had a lovely conversation about what it was like to go on this journey to start something new. And also, like, get really clear on like, what is grounding? Like? What, how fast should we be going? Like, what is the pace? How do you how, like, how do you get it all done? And so really honest conversation that you're gonna have. You're gonna hear today and feel free to talk along with us. And then let us know what resonates with you enjoy this lovely conversation with Janey Brown. 

Lesley Logan 2:44  

Hey, Be It babe. All right, get ready for a really fun conversation. I think it's going to be anyways, we haven't had it yet. But I'm predicting that to go that way. I really love our guest. When I came across her and what she's working on and the journey she's had. I was like, Oh my gosh, like this is a Be It story. Like in the making, we have to share it. So Janey Brown, will you tell everyone who you are and what you're up to these days? 

Janey Brown 3:05  

Yeah, good to be here. Thanks for having me. I am a singer, performer, coach, and I'm actually student of psychology. So that's like the titles, who I am underneath all that is just a human trying to do the best they can. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Yeah, I love it. You guys can't, unless you're watching on the YouTube channel, her microphone says be brave. And I just like really love that it's like reminding me throughout this whole conversation. 

Janey Brown 3:31  

Reminds me, too. 

Lesley Logan 3:34  

I'm like, I'm like, Oh, this for me. Thank you so much Janey Brown. And you're like it's actually for me, but thank you.

Janey Brown 3:39  

For everyone, everyone, totally. 

Lesley Logan 3:42  

So Janey, you know, singer like that's, being a performer, my husband is a musician and like, that's a whole journey and being until you see it. And then for you to then become a student of psychology, I would just want to know, like, what, what took you from one route to the next? Like, how did that kind of come to be? 

Janey Brown 3:59  

Yeah, it was a wild ride. Definitely. You're right about that in terms of the musician path. So I mean, very, very sort of, concisely. I've been a performer all my life. And that was sort of first and foremost my direction and path and passion. And then sort of in the you know, halfway through my performance career, let's say, I got into wellness. And, you know, that's been a whole other completely parallel career to my performance career. And then it just sort of got to a point where I realized that the only way for me to level up from where I was with two careers. Sort of ever evolving, obviously, but just sort of these two careers that were, you know, in sort of forward motion was to go to academia, that was something I've never done. And that's something I really didn't think I was capable of. And yeah, jumping into that has just been just so insanely beneficial. So yeah, that's kind of 

Lesley Logan 4:59  

I think it's like, I think it's interesting. Like, I feel like anyone listening would be like, Oh my god, I'd love to be back in school any day of the week. And I would think it'd be like, so much harder to be like, I'm gonna go sing and perform. And I'm gonna be in the wellness industry like, those are like, those are like the things that scare them the most.

Janey Brown 5:15  

That's really a funny way to look at it. I've never thought about it like that. But yeah, I mean, for sure, like academia was so not my comfort zone, it was terrifying to approach that again, and like get back into it. It was so yeah, it definitely is reverse if people are afraid to get on stage like, academia was my like, stage fright or whatever. 

Lesley Logan 5:32  

Yeah. So what did you do to like, kind of get comfortable? Or are you still in that process? 

Janey Brown 5:38  

Well, honestly, I just forced myself like it. It's definitely easier. Now. It's not easy. But it's easier now than my first year. My first year was brutal. Like I just, I barely even wanted to do it. I just knew that I had to. And now like, I know, the ropes, and I'm sort of thinking like, Okay, this has been fun. I wonder what a Masters is, like, you know, because I know that that will be even more, you know, challenging and next level than then sort of, you know, the, the regular sort of degree or whatever. But it really has just been a matter of force yourself. I believe in tender love and self-compassion. But there is circumstances where tough love is needed. And you do actually just have to force yourself through the fear.

Lesley Logan 6:22  

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, like, I think also, like, the things that we were doing, we're drawn to do, we're drawn to do them, because there's something challenging about them, there is a little bit of uncertainty, like, Oh, what is this going to be? And also, like, you know, otherwise, you'd be bored. You know, it just gets so boring. So when you like, so obviously, there's the forcing yourself to just get comfortable with it. But like, I actually wonder what when you just mentioned like that tender love like that care like that self-care? What does that practice look like for you? Because I do think that that's actually, if that comes easier for you than like, the tough love of going to academia, I feel like some people can, can learn a lot about how you do that, how you have that practice in your life?

Janey Brown 7:03  

That's such a, that's such a great question, I would actually argue that tough love is way more natural for me than tender love. It's, it's hard to put into words, because I think that everyone has their own version of like, what self-care looks like, and what recovery looks like, kind of the same thing with what self-love looks like. When when it's tough love, it's sort of like ripping the band aid off. And when it's tender love, like, I use this metaphor, where it's like, if you were to get injured, the first initial kind of time of being injured and the wound is open, let's say you really can't, you know, tread on and force yourself to sort of like perform at the same level you're performing at because you're just going to keep bleeding. And you're going to, you know, you're going to lose consciousness, and you're actually just going to hurt yourself or make it even worse. So you have to kind of think about it, like it's this sort of fresh wound, and what would you do with a fresh wound, you would like, clean it and you'd sit there kind of in solitude and or with support, and you'd kind of process it and you'd bandage it up. And you'd, you'd kind of be gentle with it, and you'd stay away from you know, using it and then eventually the wound is going to heal. And if you keep the bandaid on for too long, the skin is going to atrophy and rot and like you have to rip it off. So I think knowing when to be tender and when to be tough is a personal thing, but they are both needed in terms of you know, what, what makes you sort of the best version of yourself. And the methods that you use to be tender or tough are also I think, really personal. (Inaudible) someone's goals are.

Lesley Logan 8:44  

Yeah, that's such a, I love that description that was like, really, I think anyone can take that away and then figure how to put their own their own spin on what Tinder love looks like them. And I also do think it is true. Like, you know, I always call myself a recovering perfectionist and overachiever. But like when you're a perfectionist, you're like, okay, but like what, like, what, how many minutes of tender love versus like, how many minutes of the tough love, like, how long are we going to be here? And I think it's like, you know, unfortunately, you'll have to explore a

Janey Brown 9:11  

little bit. Yeah, yeah. Right. Like, you have to be in touch with your intuition and your heart and your soul and sort of all of the mushy gushy stuff and the stuff that's not tangible. In order to know like, when to pivot and when to Yeah, when to when to rest and when to give it your all. And sometimes resting is giving it your all.

Lesley Logan 9:33  

Yes, okay, like, everyone hit rewind, sometimes rest is giving it your all. I agree, because it's like, sometimes it's the thing that we need the most. Yeah, you know, I find that, you know, a lot of people have a hard time going with their gut with their intuition because there's like, it's hard to understand, like, there's the voice. It's like imposter syndrome. Fear, like, like trying to keep you safe. And then there's that gut voice. It's like, No, you should actually go that way that actually Is it a good idea? How did you get like, was that something natural to you? What? Or have you been able to like articulate in ways that people can maybe try to understand when they're like actually paying attention to their gut? They're listening to their intuition.

Janey Brown 10:13  

Such a great question. I think the instinct that I mean, yes, it was natural for sure. For me, walking the path of an artist and an entrepreneur, which I've done, you know, all my life has always been super reliant on, like, what does it feel like, though, and I think a good place that people can start if they're looking to get more in touch with that, like we say things like our gut, and we say things like our heart. But what I really actually think specifically it is, is our nervous system, like what does our nervous system make our body feel like and that's a practice to get in touch with your body to be grounded in your body, and to know kind of what the differences between let's say, fear that's merited because you are sensing danger and just fear of something that could happen, and it's actually not imminent. And it really is this thing that you need to take a risk on, you know, there is a line there. And it takes practice to get to know that and in our society, we really value like intellectualizing things, and, you know, sort of overriding ourselves, and that can kind of take us further away from that, quote, unquote, gut instinct, or following your heart. But I think a good place to start is like, How can I personally get in touch with my body so that I can understand like, neurologically, you know, what my body is telling me and the wisdom of that, and that could be as simple as like, starting to go to yoga and doing, you know, a practice that's more introspective, rather than like power yoga, where you're just kind of like, kicking your own ass or whatever, right, back to the back to the old routine, you know?

Lesley Logan 11:48  

Right. Right. I love that you brought up yoga as a great grounding practice, like what are some other grounding practices that you have found?

Janey Brown 11:56  

I mean, right now, in general, there's sort of this wave and movement of somatic base practices like somatic coaches, and therapists and things like that, that I would definitely recommend people kind of looking into. But for me, it's funny, because any movement-based practice really can be introspective, as long as you're intentional. So like, a run can be meditative. You know, crushing it on the stairs, or leg day or whatever, yoga, all of those things can be deeply, you know, somatic experience and introspective, if you actually apply, you know, your mindfulness to it.

Lesley Logan 12:35  

Yeah, that's such a great point. I've been hobby hunting, and at the time, we're recording this. Today, I'm gonna go rock climbing for the second time. And like, it's not an actual real rock guy. So it's not actually the ground. But like, also, like you're getting as far away from the ground, but there's something because you can only focus on like, where's my hand going, can I reach that is my foot gonna stay on this like little knob thing that I don't really feel safe on, like, you know, like, you have to, you can only go inward, you know, and so it doesn't actually I can be things that are off the ground and not laying down and you could still ground it.

Janey Brown 13:10  

Oh my gosh, I so agree with that. Bouldering is is such a fun activity. And if you like climbing and you like being in the air, and another thing that you might like, which is this is kind of my version of bouldering is aerial silks, it's, it's dubbed as, as dancing in the air. It's not aerial yoga, where there's this like, contraption, it's two ribbons that hang from the ceiling, and then you climb up them. And you put yourself in different wraps and do different drops and different movements and poses and stuff. And it's, it's very physically challenging, but it's so like, it's like physically, as equally physically challenging as it is sort of this experience of freedom and, and just sort of expression. And I don't know, like, if that's speaking to you, but it is, it is something I equate with bouldering just because it's the back muscles and you're climbing and you're in the air and like yeah, tension like,

Lesley Logan 14:01  

Yeah, yeah, you can't be distracted those things. I think that those are important little practices to have like something where you can actually like, get lost in the the practice versus like your, you know, you can run and not be intentional and think about your day, you can also do all those things. Some of these things, you'll actually hurt yourself if you are not, but I think that that's, I think too often be like, Oh, I have to have like this yoga practice and I don't like yoga or they don't have access to yoga or just doesn't like light their fire. It's like actually it can be anything and you brought it intention. Intent is like the key there. What so okay, like academia drew you in? Why psychology? What was like the thing that was like, I'm gonna go towards this as I could barely pick a major. So I'm just like, always intrigued, that someone can actually make that decision.

Janey Brown 14:49  

Well, I mean, it you know, I'm assuming that you did yours much younger. And if that's the case, no wonder you couldn't pick a major like we're all just trying to figure it. I mean, we're trying to figure it out forever. are, but it's, you know, you might have a bit more clarity when you are an adult. So I definitely have compassion for that. For me, Psych just seems like the natural thing because I was already, as an extracurricular sort of, you know, poll, I was already studying things like trauma, like doing trauma certifications, I was already studying psychology because I was in therapy. So I was getting to know my own psychology, and, you know, managing my own mental health challenges. And it just, it just made sense for me to kind of, and also, to be honest, I didn't know what else I would do. It's like, I could do like performance arts, but I don't think I need a degree in that. You know what I mean? Like, let me let me go outside the box here. So yeah, it just seems it just seemed to make sense based on, you know, my own like life path.

Lesley Logan 15:49  

Yeah, yeah. We had a guest on here recently, she's actually an astrologer, and a Feng Shei person, but she has a degree in psychology. So when you cool work with her, shout out to Kate (inaudible) when you work with her, and she's like reading your chart or reading the cards, like it's actually with a degree of psychology behind it. So it's like, it's almost like going out there. It's like going to therapy, but with like, some sort of, like, here's why the stars are like this, and this way (inaudible). 

Janey Brown 16:16  

That's really cool. I love that. I love that. And I love that she's doing that. Because there is like, you know, a very strong rebuttal against like Pseudoscience in the world of, you know, it's psychology is a science. So it's, it's, but it's but you know, to me, it's only a pseudoscience until it's not like, one once upon a time, we didn't really believe in mindfulness. And then it was studied extensively. And here we are, you know, it's completely signed to a 

Lesley Logan 16:40  

You can get a degree in it at UCLA. 

Janey Brown 16:42  

Yeah, exactly. So like, so I love that, you know, she has this scientific grounding and merit, but she's also like, Yeah, but I'm going to explore this other thing that also seems to be, you know, intriguing. And there's something there, because we all keep returning to it. 

Lesley Logan 16:56  

So Okay. When people hear stories like yours, one of the things they've probably always come back to is like, Okay, I'm inspired. But like, the time like, this is a whole shift in Persona, it's a shift in your schedule. What was that like to go from like, you know, wellness and music to like, adding in, like an actual degree, like, that's not, you know, that's for students that's a full-time job. So like, right, like, how did you create space in your life to, to do that?

Janey Brown 17:27  

I mean, definitely, I had to put a few things on, I don't want to say the back burner, but just like a little bit more in the background, like, you know, I'm still performing, I performed every single year of my life for 26 years, and that I don't intend to stop. But you know, I'm not as you know, for sure, I wasn't as able to focus on gigs as consistently. And right now, you know, I'm finishing up my degree, I'm due to graduate this year. And I've had to kind of just scale back on pushing forward with different speaking gigs. And you know, all the things that I'm doing coaching, even building my business, it's just slower. It's sort of like, if you're watering, if you're like a farmer, and you have all these different rows of vegetables, and you're, you know, if you're focused on one thing, you can water that lane, like super quickly, but for me, it's sort of like, okay, I can take the first kind of five rows, and like water, water, water, water, and then like, move to the next. I'm talking about rows. And it's confusing, but you know what I'm saying it's like, I'm kind of watering each plant, let's say in the five rows one at a time. And so I'm moving forward, much, much slower, because I'm taking on kind of all these things at once. So that's kind of the only difference. It's like, you can make the time for as much as you as many activities as you want. You'll just move slower in each of the lanes than you would if you were just focused on one and I don't think one is worse than the other. I would, you know, love to just focus on one, but here we are. 

Lesley Logan 18:57  

Yeah, I think like, I love that. I could picture it with you. Um, mostly because like, I grew up in a farm area.

Janey Brown 19:06  

But I'm glad I did it justice. 

Lesley Logan 19:08  

Yeah, yeah. But, um, but I think it's also like, there's a difference between one or the other is that, if you are comfortable with it, like is actually just like being comfortable, like, I am going to go slower because I am watering five different crops at a time as opposed to like focusing on one crop like, so it's kind of like it's, I think you're I think it's absolutely right. And I think too often people are like, they see the grass is greener on the other side. But really, it's like, no, the person with that grass just has come with the I'm only going to have one crop, and I'm gonna go real fast. Whereas you eventually want five crops, but you're gonna it's going to feel like you're behind until, you know, you catch up at some point. 

Janey Brown 19:50  

You just summarize that perfectly and like it was not comfortable for me to do that at all. Like I I've really battled with myself internally on feeling behind like, that's probably one of my biggest negative internal narratives is like I'm behind them behind I'm not doing enough, I'm not going fast enough like, yeah, and you summarize the feeling of that and the image of that perfectly it's it's like, constantly comparing and in each lane to like in academia like so far behind because I'm you know, I still have like my business and singing so like, in each of the like genres of activity, it's been comparing to other people who are much (inaudible) so it's, it can get really brutal if you if you aren't on top of like your own mindset around that you have to really like restructure it, but it's been super challenging.

Lesley Logan 20:38  

Yeah, I mean, like, I've, like, I haven't been in a classroom in a while. But I will say like, I mean, I tried Brad and I tried to take Spanish class a couple of times. And to be honest, we were doing the homework on the car on the way there, so we were not studying. So like. So since I actually was an intentional student, like actually applying things. You know, I, I'll say like, I was in a group mastermind with, like, 40 people, and I remember like, someone going up, and she had been in the fitness industry for much longer than me. And she like, had scaled it to seven figures her business, and I'm like, Oh, my God, like, I'm so behind. And yet, when it came down to my speaking about what I've been doing, and then we had a big accountability partner, she's like, I want you to be my accountability partner. And I was like, you want to be like yours? You're like, you're where I want to be. You know, so it's so funny. The stories we tell ourselves about her being behind, because like, even the person ahead of you might actually looking back, like looking back and air quotes, and going, "Oh, my God, look where they are. Look what they've done. I want to do that." 

Janey Brown 21:44  

Yeah, oh, it's so true. It's so true. Like, we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and what people are struggling with. And yeah, I've had countless people saying, say to me, like, I would love to go back to school. Like, you're so lucky. You know what I mean? Like this. And, you know, for a minute, I did not feel lucky. I felt like I had to do it, you know, which is ridiculous. But that was my own limitation at that time. But like, yeah, for sure. I mean, the grass really is always greener. For sure.

Lesley Logan 22:11  

Yeah, I am. I used to think about that, like many, many, many years ago. And I, I'm not saying that. I'll never go back to school, but I'll be really honest. I just don't see myself taking on one major any like, I'm just, I don't think I could do it. So I'm in admiration. And also I do see like, having a background in psychology helps with, with people, so many jobs. Like even if you want to be a chef, want to own a restaurant, having the understanding the way people's minds think matters in building a restaurant and building a menu and also like it really, I mean, like, you couldn't have picked a better degree if you're gonna go back and do that intentionally. But it is so funny how we we tell ourselves these whoppers and we get a little stuck on like, Oh, they're further ahead, or oh my god, it's so nice for them, or Oh, I wish I and right, we don't actually think about like, well, what if I did it? How could I do it? And would it be possible? And like going back to what you said, it's like, well, it's possible you just have you'll just go slower, you'll just instead of taking going to school full time.

Janey Brown 23:14  

Absolutely. Absolutely. And that it's humbling, like yes, your your ego is going to take a hit for sure. Especially if you're a high achiever, and you're, you know, you have all these goals, and it's, it's like, your ego is going to take a hit. But that's good for you too, right? Like, in the same way that like, you know, your muscles are gonna be sore after you do leg day. Like that's, you know, that's a good sign. It's not to say that you can't walk the next day. I'm not suggesting like, Go out of your capacity. But yeah, like, I think that, you know, deciding to do something at the expense of the optics that you've so delicately created for yourself is actually a good thing. And we don't see it like that. And I don't see it, like, I barely see it like that, too, right? It's like in this conversation, I'm able to say that but like, in practicality, it's such a resistance around, you know, doing something that I think is getting in the way of like, my, like best life and optimal dream. And all the things.

Lesley Logan 24:15  

So what are you excited about right now? Like, what are you being until you see as we speak?

Janey Brown 24:20  

I am excited about real. I mean, I'm definitely excited about graduating. I'm also excited about I have a song that I'm releasing in, I think in May a new song and a book that I'll be releasing later this year. 

Lesley Logan 24:35  

Oh my goodness.

Janey Brown 24:37  

I worked really hard on. 

Lesley Logan 24:38  

Yeah. Oh my god, like, okay, a song and a book and graduating. So tell us about your book. Is that going to be published? People can go get it. What what is it about? 

Janey Brown 24:47  

Yeah, for sure. It's I'm gonna self-publish this one. It's sort of I would describe it as like a pocket self-help book. It's, you know, it's going to be maybe 150 to 200 pages. We're still in edits right now. So things can change and more material can be added or taken away still. But it's the material is basically the process of transformation with you and your dark side. So we all have a shadow self. And the shadow self is this aspect that we've, it's these aspects of ourselves that we've deemed unacceptable to ourselves and to society. So the things we're ashamed of the things that are too painful, or that we're too afraid of, to look out, we kind of shove those into the shadows, like literally. And the problem is that they need to be, they actually need to be integrated. This is Yang Yin psychology, it's not my idea, you know, he, he understood that we needed to integrate these sort of shadow aspects that live in our unconsciousness, or else they will sort of come out sideways and hold us back prevent us from taking risks, you know, stopping us from being optimal, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional, or financial, or career-wise, right? 

Janey Brown 26:02  

So, I, I had stage fright for many, many years, and on the process in the process, which is crazy, because I performed so often, but in the process of me, you know, managing that and learning to overcome that, I really, really was connected with my shadow side and my dark side, and I saw how integral that was to, to become whole and to actually shine brighter. So the the book itself is essentially like a process, it takes you on a process, it's, there's a bit of psychoeducation in there, and there's a bit of storytelling in there. But it's mostly process, the process of how you can face your how one way, let's say to face your shadow side, and there's like six modules or six chapters that sort of go through that stuff. You know, so that you can live your most fulfilling life and so they are not held back by these, these unconscious. You know, negs that are, unbeknownst to you holding you back in life or, or even renounced you holding you back in life. Like, here's how you can face that in yourself. Yeah. So that's kind of the gist of it. It's called Fear to Fierce and the tagline is, essentially, you know, Embracing Your Dark Side So That You can Unlock Your Mental Warrior.

Lesley Logan 27:18  

That's so cool. That's so cool. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. You're about to come out, we'll make sure that we put in the shownotes the links to it and everything when this comes out. Okay. Wow, you're just like, just taking on the world. And I love it and doing your best.

Janey Brown 27:31  

Just like you. 

Lesley Logan 27:32  

True. That's amazing. Okay, everyone, we'll take a brief break. And I'm going to find out your Be It Action Items and where people can find you, probably, get your book when it's ready. 

Lesley Logan 27:43  

All right, Janey, so where do you like to hang out? If you have the time to be on social? Where is that? And where can people get your book when it's ready?

Janey Brown 27:50  

Yeah, so janeybrown.com is my website. J-A-N-E-Y Brown, like the color and all my social accounts are, you know, at the bottom, or whatever at the bottom, and you can kind of branch out from there. YouTube channel. Most of my social channels are just Jane B world. And I think YouTube is Janey Brown. So pretty easy to remember. That's the social stuff, the book. I mean, the book should be, even though I'm self-publishing it, it should be available on stores like Amazon, I am going to do an audio version as well. So that will be on Audible. But yeah, the publishing the publishing company I haven't or the self-publishing company, I haven't decided yet. But it will disseminate the material across all online stores that you can then purchase the physical copy. Yeah, so that's we're looking at kind of early fall, but I know it could change. But yeah, that will be what happens. 

Lesley Logan 28:46  

Congratulations, we've self published as well. And so in the in the book world now it's like, you can go either way, depending on like, what you want to do, and like what it's for, and like how fast you want to get out there. And like oftentimes, like having a publisher, it's like having an investor in your business. They're gonna tell you what they want to see in that book.

Janey Brown 29:03  

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I've heard that as well. And I'm not opposed to future but this just didn't it didn't make sense to do it like that. For this. It's just a little treat that I'm offering. 

Lesley Logan 29:13  

I love it. I love it. Okay, for like, you know, bold, executable, intrinsic targets steps people can take to be till you see it, what do you have for us?

Janey Brown 29:20  

Okay, so my, this is, you know, on the concept of building habits, right? I'm such a strong believer in healthy habits, your habits make up your life in the same way that your cells make up your body. My catchphrase or let's say like a quote that I always say to myself, and my clients is where motivation lacks discipline must live. We're not always going to be intrinsically motivated and magically inspired to do the things we have to do and when that's not there, which often isn't. We just have to sort of push through the muck and that's where discipline comes in. It's the discipline aspect of these healthy habits is this decision to like, go when you don't feel like it. And obviously use discernment. Like if you're injured, don't push through that, like, that's where we get back to the tender love stuff. But, you know, there's a lot to be said about, you know, the tough love aspect and having to sort of force yourself through the discomfort, not out of your capacity so that you're traumatizing yourself, but force yourself through the discomfort in order to create this discipline so that eventually it just kind of becomes a need, it's this thing you don't even think about. It's like yeah, yeah, of course, I'm going to the gym. Even though it's pouring rain in a blizzard and horizontal ice shards in Canada or whatever. Like.

Lesley Logan 30:40  

No, I love this. I mean, I get up walk the dog every morning. And trust me, like I got rid of a clock that has there's no snooze button on my clock. Like I just have to get up. And I go on the walk. And like sometimes I'm so excited to go on the walk because the sky is beautiful. And other days. I'm like, Oh, is it really raining? Do we think we should go out in that? And it's like No, get out there. It's not actually raining and take an umbrella in case it starts like yeah, this sort of line is needed when the motivation is not there. I love that. 

Janey Brown 31:11  

Yeah, it's huge. And I love that I love that you gave that example because it really like the weather really is a huge excuse that we all tend and honestly like the more you put yourself like sometimes I deliberately it was like negative 20 Celsius a little while ago in Canada and I was like I'm specifically going to make sure I stay out for an hour for 60 minutes at least going for a walk so that nothing else is going to seem as bad and there's less excuses then to follow this year right I mean yeah still excuses here and there but it's like if I can go out in that I can you know it same thing I go people with cold plunge, they're doing cold plunges have a similar mentality. It's like if you can do that, like you can go out in the rain in California or like in the summer or whatever, you know?

Lesley Logan 31:54  

Yeah. Yeah, I I started my cold showers after I talked to these brain doctors, and I clearly was like, like, my cognition was like, not great, like on it's on a recording y'all. And I was like, wow, I am. I mean, I knew that it wasn't great, because I wasn't sleeping very well. But now it's like, terrible. And I was I said, I'm gonna like we talked about cold showers and I was like, Oh, I can do that. I think I'm just gonna start to do that. And having this one that's like a daily there's it never gets easier. That cold shower is not easier. I don't care. I've been doing it for a month now. And you all it's like, as soon as it starts hitting my back, I'm like, oh my god, I bet I have a headache attack. But it makes everything else seem easier. And I'm in a much better mood when it's over. So that's 'lit.

Lesley Logan 31:54  

That's amazing. That's an amazing habit. I'll tell you like, I've certainly done cold plunges. But I haven't I have not gotten into the daily cold shower yet. 

Lesley Logan 32:20  

A cold plunge is way easier. I'm gonna tell you. 

Janey Brown 32:39  

Oh like, I bet. 

Lesley Logan 32:51  

I didn't think so I was like, oh my god, submerge yourself. No, I would, I would more easily jump into a cold plunge. Then you stand in the shower. You have to like force yourself. Like you have to force yourself to keep making the decision. It is not fun. But the discipline around like, well, actually, it's like, the motivation isn't there to get in a shower. But I know what's on the other side of it. And sometimes it's like doing that tough love stuff. Because on the other side is like exactly how you want to feel that day exactly the strength you want to have. And so what a great way to sum up like, I think so many people have a hard time with habits and like it's so true, like discipline is the thing you need when motivation lacks and the reality is it's like BJ Fogg put it best like in his book Tiny Habits he's like motivation is that like friend who's like super awesome to go to a party with but you would never ask them to pick you up at the airport. Like they're just not reliable.

Janey Brown 33:43  

Amazing. Oh, that's an amazing way to summarize that. I love that.

Lesley Logan 33:47  

Yeah. That's great. Janey, you're amazing. You're great. You're doing amazing things. If this is your first book of many things you're gonna put out to the world to like, you know, keep changing all of us for the better. Thank you so much for being here. How are you all going to use these tips in your life? Tag Janey Brown, tag the Be It pod. Share this with a friend. Grab her book. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 34:08  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 34:36  

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Brad Crowell 34:39  

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Lesley Logan 34:44  

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Brad Crowell 34:48  

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Lesley Logan 34:55  

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Brad Crowell 35:01  

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