Be It Till You See It

How to manifest future aspirations in the present? Brad and Lesley discuss how cultivating the mindset and habits of your ideal self can lead to significant results. The conversation is replete with actionable advice, personal experiences, and thought-stirring observations. Discover how "being it before you see it" can transform your life and help you overcome obstacles on your journey towards success.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How your purpose is bigger than what you do for a living.
• Importance of creating a financial runway during role transitions.
• The challenge of separating your identity from your job title to find a more expansive purpose.
• Alternative ways to introduce yourself that don't solely rely on your job title.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

If you actually think about this, like, who you want to be in the future, if you were that person now with all the things you still have to do, how would that person handle those things? Yeah, this is how Be It Till You See It came about. 

Lesley Logan 0:12  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:54  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It Interview Recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the influential convo I had with Candy Motzek in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, go ahead and listen to it and then come back and listen to this one or listen to this one and then listen to that one. I just found out from the book club and agency that a lot of them just listen to the book club meeting to decide if they're gonna read the book. And I was like, okay, well, we need at least

Brad Crowell 1:19  

That's like the Cliffs Notes. 

Lesley Logan 1:20  

Yeah, I said, but we need at least two people every month to read the book to host the book club. So you guys have to alternate on this weird plan you have. Anyways, I really enjoyed Candy is really funny. I was actually listening to the pre of the interview. And she was like, hey, before we continue, can I just take a screenshot of us so I can post it and I was like, oh, you totally can. It was so fun. And also, I was like, okay, if you're gonna do Be It Action Items, I always tell people just so you guys know, like, just, you know, breaking the third wall, I tell them do not say get to know yourself or journal for a Be It Action, because what the fuck is that anyways? And so I was like, um, you know, because we, we email them this, but some people don't read. So I like say it. 

Brad Crowell 2:08  

Pretty sure it's the fourth wall. 

Lesley Logan 2:09  

It's the fourth wall. Third wall. It's a wall. We broke through the wall. And so I'm breaking to the wall. So um, so I said, so I was telling her what she's been emailed because sometimes people just don't read. And she's given me a big red X. And I was like, well, I'm not rude. But correct, you'll have to come up with something else. So anyways, her Be It Actions are awesome. They're actually, they're. This is what I'm loving our guests that I'm getting because you guys keep listening to this podcast are bigger and better every single time. And they really do take podcasting seriously. And so thank you.

Brad Crowell 2:46  

Well, she's a podcast host herself. And so she's used to talk, too. Really great at it.

Lesley Logan 2:48  

Yeah, they always make the best guest. But at any rate, like she's awesome. And it's really over. So we'll get it done in a second. But for now, if you're listening to this today, and you live in the States, Happy Thanksgiving. 

Brad Crowell 2:53  

Happy Thanksgiving! 

Lesley Logan 2:54  

And if you don't live in the States, happy Day Before Black Friday, because what I have found out is it's Black Friday everywhere, even though it's not Thanksgiving everywhere, and however you feel about Thanksgiving. I know for a lot of people in the US they're doing family friends, food, a lot of food. There's so much food and also can we just be honest, most of the food for Thanksgiving is not exciting, except for the sweet potatoes. So good. Do not put marshmallows on that shit.

Brad Crowell 3:28  

It's a very creative food. 

Lesley Logan 3:29  

There's creative food. 

Brad Crowell 3:30  

And then in the States, football. Football, football, football.

Lesley Logan 3:33  

Football. There's lots of football. There's a big turkey on the football field that somehow has multiple legs. I don't understand that. And to be honest, I actually don't like any Thanksgiving food. So we go to a restaurant. 

Brad Crowell 3:45  

I love mashed potatoes. 

Lesley Logan 3:47  

Well, but you can get, you can make mashed potatoes on any day. You just, I, stuffing, I never understood stuffing. 

Brad Crowell 3:54  

That's one of my favorites. 

Lesley Logan 3:55  

Oh, well. I'm gluten, dairy-free. So I'm fucked. Cranberry? I grew up poor so it was just

Brad Crowell 3:55  

Not my favorite.

Lesley Logan 3:56  

Do you know what's really funny? 

Brad Crowell 3:58  

The Cranberry can. 

Lesley Logan 4:03  

The can because it's got the lines. Yeah. And also also can I tell, can I just tell you really quickly my favorite Thanksgiving story? Okay, so my grandmother, she's, none of my grandparents are around anymore, but my mom's parents don't cook okay. They do not cook and we went to their house for Thanksgiving one year I don't know why they won but they ordered it from Raley's. Raley's is kind of like a Ralph's or a Smith's or what do you call on the East Coast? 

Brad Crowell 4:04  

Acne. 

Lesley Logan 4:04  

Acne. This is a regular grocery store but you can pre-order like a pre-made Thanksgiving, think Boston Market which doesn't exist anymore either. But you can pre-order, you go I want a Turkey this size. No. Pretty sure. Well, Keith Olbermann did the commercial and I pretty sure like he got paid a lot and then they like anyways, that's another story. But let me tell this story. This is really funny. So picture, like the wooden table that's an oval with a leaf was put in to like make enough room and then the grocery-ordered-you-reheat-the-food kind of Thanksgiving meal, okay, and we're all sitting around the table and my grandmother bought. What's the sparkling apple cider? Do you know what I mean? The sparkling apple cider because like, oh for the kids, Martinelli's, Martinelli's sparkling apple cider or apple juice. And then there's obviously like champagne or wine for the adults. But anyways, she bought those like plastic flutes that you like put together or you put the flute in the bottom of the thing. Sure. Okay. So you put that on the table and then but they're cheap because poor right so she, they're pouring that apple cider

Brad Crowell 5:41  

But they're fancy.

Lesley Logan 5:40  

It looks fancy. Let me just say it. Okay, so they're pouring out (inaudible) into the flutes, right, with these plastic flutes. And then of course, everyone is like reaching over the table to pass things around. You're just knocking apple cider flutes around, and they're just like, falling into the turkey. The turkey's like floating and it's like flooding. Everyone was laughing and my grandma was like, this is a fucking waste of money, my grandpa's pissed, my mom is laughing so hard, just like get up here. It's a fucking hilarious thing. It's my best memory. And then from then on out, we went back to my dad's side of the family for Thanksgiving, and we invited my mom's parents over and I was so disappointed because my dad's parents were so serious.

Brad Crowell 6:33  

Well, I won over the whole family by cooking your dad's mom's artichoke casserole. Surprise. Nobody knew that you had the recipe.

Lesley Logan 6:45  

I know. They want it badly. Yeah. And we should just give it to them.

Brad Crowell 6:49  

But I cooked it. We're like, oh my gosh, this tastes like grandma. Because we eat grandma.

Lesley Logan 6:56  

What if for this Thanksgiving we just like mail them the recipe and like, you know what I mean? Like Merry Christmas. We're not coming. Anyways, okay, so what does this mean? It means Black Friday, Cyber Monday, it means there are a bunch of sales happening on onlinepilatesclasses.com and profitablepilates.com. And you want to go if you're not a member, there's an awesome opportunity to be a member for OPC for super not a lot of money. Then also at Profitable Pilates, like discounts on courses and Brad's upcoming What Your Website Needs webinar. Guys, whether you're gonna make it yourself, it's not live this weekend, you guys, it's just the sale is this weekend, it's live.

Brad Crowell 7:36  

December 3rd.

Lesley Logan 7:37  

So the deal is really inexpensive and you are going to be able to have confidence in knowing what your website should have. So you can do what you go through your website and make sure you have all the things he's saying. Or if you're gonna make it yourself, you know what to do. Or if you're gonna hire someone, you won't get fucked over. So that's really awesome. And mat flashcards are on sale, a whole bunch of good stuff. So super, super great. Grab the mat flashcards for all of your friends. Do it, do it. It's there. This is the best deal they're going to be. Yes. Okay, before we get on with Candy, Brad, do we have an audience question to respond to?

Brad Crowell 8:07  

Oh, yes, we do. And this week's question is, what are great presents for my clients? We get this every year.

Lesley Logan 8:18  

Every year, multiple times, sometimes earlier, sometimes like in August, people are asking this question. So um, so I've had this question three different times, in three different ways. Some people are like, I want a non fitness gift for my clients. Some people are like, I want like a, an inexpensive gift for my clients. And some are like, do I have to get a gift for my clients, I just want to say whether, you don't have to be a Pilates teacher for this to apply to you. You actually don't have to give anyone anything. 

Brad Crowell 8:44  

You do not. 

Lesley Logan 8:45  

Ever. Some people's love languages are gifts. And in some cultures, then when they give gifts, or when they receive gifts, they write a list because then they return them back. Like for example, in Cambodia, when you're invited to a wedding, they will literally write down and keep a log, Brad and Lesley gave $50. And then when you when we invite them to something they give $50. So it's exactly reciprocal, okay, and everything is cash there. No one's buying dishes for anybody, they just give money. Okay? So depends on the culture where you're listening. So make sure this like you think about that. But for when it comes to if you're a studio owner, so to speak to like in that way, but like if you are a service-based industry person, getting your clients gifts is really thoughtful, but it's not something you can always do every single year. And they're not expecting it from you. They literally do not come to you for massages, hair care, Pilates, yoga, babysitting, none of that to receive a gift from you at the end of the year. If you got them a handwritten card that said, oh my gosh, I love how 9 a.m. on Sundays feels because of you. That is going to be so thoughtful. You have no idea. If you want it to instead one of Jamie Hayden in Milwaukee, her studio adopts a family every Christmas, they literally she, there's a charity that she works with, and they adopt a family. And each client actually buys a gift for the family rather than like giving her gifts or like her giving them gifts. And that's really cool. So I just want to like take the pressure off that you do not have to like get anyone gifts. If you want to give your clients gifts, may I suggest that it's something fun that you can kind of make a tradition. For example, one of my clients in LA, Geeta, every year she and her daughters get together and they make a trail mix of sorts called trail mix or muesli of sorts. And they make it they like have she they go to the store, they buy all the ingredients, they, they have to bake the oatmeal in a certain way, they have certain seasonings, they put on it, and they put it in these little mason jars, the same kind of jars every single year, I have three of these jars now. And like it kind of became like, I need a fourth and then COVID. But like, they make it every year. And it's her gift to give all the people in her life that are not close family. And it's the same gift every year. And let me just tell you, it's fucking delicious. I looked forward to every year and she could make it. So think about something you could do like that. That is thoughtful, thoughtful. You're you put some labor and love into it. The margins are not expensive, we're talking like the cost of the jar is about $1. And then the cost of the products is like when you break it up against 100 people like it's really nominal. And so she could do that every year for people and I looked forward to it every year and the people in her life did. And so I would do that.

Brad Crowell 11:39  

Ironically, that is her giving gifts to you, but, yes.

Lesley Logan 11:42  

I know but well I don't cook. Anyways, I'm just saying it was her given gift to me.

Brad Crowell 11:49  

Or you could also like support a local business. And give maybe like a $25 gift card to a lunch spot that they could use near your studio, or something.

Lesley Logan 12:00  

$25 is a lot. If you have 10 clients, that's a lot of money. So, no. What you can also, I just want to say your clients do not come to you for the money or anything.

Brad Crowell 12:11  

They don't come to you for the money. 

Lesley Logan 12:12  

So what you can do is say, hey, this month 10% of every session is going to this charity, this is my Christmas gift, right? Or you can make it community-based is my point, I think it's more impactful. And people remember it more than you giving them a pair of fucking socks. I like that idea. Actually, I love toe socks, and you should use our code. They are a sponsor of the show. But it's by the way, the code is Lesley. Spell it right. But you, your clients will buy those from you. You don't have to give them to them. They, they're, they really do love coming to you and they want you to stay in business. So please don't break your bank to do this. And don't stress about it. Anyways, the point is the great presents for clients are often the ones that actually bring the community together and do not cost a lot of money and are thoughtful and so make them something, bake them something or or you know, do something for the community in their honor. That's my suggestion. But you know, if you want to go crazy and stress yourself out, by all means it's the holiday season as far.

Brad Crowell 13:19  

Only those two choices.

Lesley Logan 13:23  

That's right, you've only those two choices (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 13:27  

Hey, I'm so totally just realized we missed a major announcement.

Lesley Logan 13:33  

Major, so big, because it's like literally two weeks away.

Brad Crowell 13:37  

Lesley and I are going to be driving around the country. 

Lesley Logan 13:40  

7000 miles.

Brad Crowell 13:41  

 70, 70, 70 like 7000 miles. 

Lesley Logan 13:45  

We're bringing the dogs.

Brad Crowell 13:47  

We're looking at over 20 locations. 

Lesley Logan 13:50  

Yes. So we're gonna be a city near you, and because we're driving 7000 miles, there's no reason why you can't drive 100 miles. 

Brad Crowell 13:57  

That's true. 

Lesley Logan 13:57  

I'm just saying.

Brad Crowell 13:58  

Yeah, we'd love to see you come hang out go to opc.me/tour

Lesley Logan 14:02  

We want to be the excuse to get you away from the crazy chaos or bring the crazy chaos to us and let me handle it for an hour. 

Brad Crowell 14:09  

Yeah. That could happen to you could bring your crazy chaos to this class.

Lesley Logan 14:14  

People do that. Every tour they're like, I'm bringing my family so opc.me/tour. You don't want to miss this winter tour is amazing. And the cities we go to change every year. So if you're like, oh my gosh, I'll go next year. We might not be coming your city next year. That's just how it is. 

Brad Crowell 14:30  

That's true. Okay, now let's talk about Candy Motzek. Candy is a business coach and a podcast host dedicated to helping struggling coaches thrive in pursuing their passion while attracting clients and generous income.

Lesley Logan 14:46  

Okay, so I'm gonna jump in because I really loved there's a couple things first of all, she talked about how like you would never go to a therapist who doesn't have a therapist. You would never go to Pilates teacher withour a Pilates teacher. 

Brad Crowell 14:57  

You'd never go to a doctor who doesn't go to the doctor. (inaudible) 

Lesley Logan 15:01  

And then she is a coach for coaches. So I love that. But I really like she talked about, like, really getting into like, what is your purpose and it's actually really hilarious because in the agency meeting today that when we were they were recording this, I was talking about purpose. And I said your purpose isn't like, this is, I coach Pilates instructors, right, your purpose isn't Pilates, I'm just gonna like if you listen to this, and you teach Pilates or you teach yoga or whatever, your purpose is not actually the thing that you currently do for a living. Your purpose is bigger than that. My vehicle happens to be Pilates right now. But if I were to not teach Pilates, don't freak out. I'm not saying I'm gonna quit tomorrow. But if I would not do that, I would still have that purpose. And so she said, you need to contemplate the big question, what is my purpose, she says, Your purpose wants us as much as we want it. And she said, be bold enough to see what's right in front of you. And a lot of times people think that their purpose is going to hit them, like she said, like a lightning bolt from thunder from heaven is just gonna hit you and go, here is your purpose. And it's not going to be like that, but it's in you. And oftentimes, we don't want to say it out loud, because we don't feel like we're enough for it. Or we don't think it's big enough. Like, I remember when we did this with Agency members a couple years ago, and someone's like, Okay, if I just wanna help people not be in pain, I'm like, That's a fucking huge purpose. Pain keeps people from living a whole life. So sometimes I think we play the purpose down like, oh, that's not enough. I'm not saving the world, I'm not stopping climate change. It's like, hold on, if what you do takes the person out of pain, and that person can cure cancer, that's pretty fucking awesome. So like, your purpose is always bigger than what it is. And we need to stop playing small and oftentimes it's right in front of you, and in you, and you're scared to say it, or you're embarrassed to say it, or you think, oh, my God, people are gonna think I'm good enough to say it, and you need to be brave enough and bold enough to see it it's right in front of you. Yeah, I love it. 

Brad Crowell 17:08  

Well, when we were when I was listening through, she started to talk about transition out of corporate and into coaching. And so, of course, that attracted me because that's one of the things that we like to work with people on in our coaching program, too. And she started, she said, she had a couple of like, just obvious, straightforward tips. One of them was, could you live on half of your salary? Right? So if you're making 10,000 a month, can you live on five, if you're making 5000 a month getting more than two and a half? You know, and, and then we always say, make a runway. So you know

Lesley Logan 17:08  

Build a runway.

Brad Crowell 17:12  

Put six months of money aside, if you're gonna make this kind of a transition so that you know that you have six months to 

Lesley Logan 18:01  

Isn't that what's so cool, though, if you can live off half, then six months, you've created a runway living off half. Yeah. So that's one year we've to live on half the income, but allows you to transition and do the thing that you've been wanting to do in one year, in one year. Like, that's crazy. That's so much faster than you trying to save.

Brad Crowell 18:21  

If you want your life completely changed then you could have, you would have six months of practice living on half, and then six months living on that half. So the fear of like money, you know, but still will light a fire under your ass when you finally do pull the chute. But you'll be like, I know, I can do it.

Lesley Logan 18:40  

Yeah, but the second six months, you are doing the thing you've been wanting to do. So like you have and you're only focused on that, like, woah. Big time amazingness.

Brad Crowell 18:49  

Yeah. But she said despite the financial prep, she still said it was emotionally terrifying. She spent a long time in corporate, she said that one of the most challenging things was the attachment or association that we have with the title of our old role. Right? Like, are you the general manager? Are you the something whatever? Are you the AGM? Are you, you know, basically what, what we have adopted in our culture in our society is that we associate who we are with the title that we've been given, right, and it's become our identity. And so when you take away that title, who am I? Who am I now, am I you know, like, it actually suddenly can become like a confidence shaker, because you're like, well, I can't introduce myself anymore as the whatever, you know, so how do I do that? Are people going to take me seriously? You know, like it you know, She said that she had tied her identity, like she had tied herself to her title, her identity to her title and that was her measure of success.

Lesley Logan 20:11  

Well, I mean, I wrestled with this so much, because when I was a manager at Fred Segal, let me just say, if I went into any retail store anywhere in L.A., Orange County, New York, and I'll be shopping and they're like, oh, you know, can I help you? Like, oh, I'm just looking around, you know, don't worry, I'm in sale. I'm gonna reach out to you, you can take on a customer if you need to. Oh, where do you work? I'm like, Oh, I run a jewelry store at Fred Segal. People knew that. And they're like, you run a store at Fred Segal. I'm like, Oh, I do. So my store you guys was not even 50 square feet. I'm just going to tell you right now. It was a counter. But I did a million dollars in a counter. But I didn't make a million. I'm gonna say I sold a million dollars. Yeah. Um, but I, when I was leaving that there was something like, I'm leaving that to be a Pilates instructor? And I remember my clients thinking, oh, my God, my clients who I sell the stuff to, if I tell them I'm gonna be a Pilates instructor what were they gonna think of me? Yes. Can I just tell you right now? When I told them I was like, leaving to be a Pilates instructor, they're like, oh, oh, can I take a session from you? And I was like, yeah, you can, you totally can. Yes, you can. Oh, my God. Yes, you can. So like, it's really funny the story we tell ourselves because it's a lot of people A. may not even know what the fuck of the title means. It's like, not impressive to them at all. And B. your new thing might actually be so cool. And they're also often a lot of people are like, would are like jealous that you're making a leap like that, because they're like, you're following your dreams. And they they feel stuck to their title.

Brad Crowell 21:44  

My personal experience with that?

Lesley Logan 21:46  

Yeah, you're just gonna stop in the middle of a sentence right there? 

Brad Crowell 21:52  

Yeah. My personal experience with that is with my band. When I first moved to Los Angeles, my I was I literally moved across the country to be in a band. And we were called The Magnificent Ambersons. And when that band

Lesley Logan 22:14  

The Magnificent Andersons. 

Brad Crowell 22:16  

Ambersons. Come on, get it right.

Lesley Logan 22:17  

Oh, even harder. 

Brad Crowell 22:18  

Yeah, hello. 

Lesley Logan 22:19  

Oh, my God, you guys are like the O'Needers. I wonder.

Brad Crowell 22:24  

TMA. The Magnificent Ambersons. When that band stopped, I, I didn't know. I didn't know who I was. I didn't know how to function. I didn't know how to introduce myself. I didn't know why I was in L.A. anymore. I didn't know. I was like, pissed, I was really upset. And it really rocked me really rocked me, because I had completely identified who I thought I was with this thing, this band. And when the band was done, suddenly that, did that mean, Brad was done? Like, what do I do now? Do I go home? You know, like, it was a really interesting time. And so I totally relate to what she said, about having no title suddenly, you know, like, what does that mean? You know, so, but I think I'm sure that we also do that in the Pilates world. And who are you? Oh, I'm a Pilates teacher. You know, but what if you didn't associate yourself with your job? Didn't associate yourself with your title of your thing? Like, what would that look like? Could you do that? How do you introduce yourself today? Without talking about that? You know, hey, I'm Brad. You know, I live in Vegas, you know, or I'm Brad and I grow cactus. Or I'm Brad and I like to take long drives on the highway.

Lesley Logan 23:53  

I think we like I think I might be like, I'm Lesley and I own 34 chairs. Um,

Brad Crowell 24:00  

We literally do. She has a problem. 

Lesley Logan 24:03  

Do you guys want to see a picture of every chair? Because I will take that. So, but I do understand this because the actual reality is like when I'm on a plane traveling to Poland, or to Korea, and people like, oh, what are you going for? And I'm like, oh, go for work. What do you do? I'm like, it's, it's not gonna make any sense. I teach Pilates and they're like, aren't there Pilates instructors in Poland? I'm like, yep, that's precisely the point. But like, it also doesn't even make sense. And so I mean, it can be a great conversation starter for me, which helps people leave me and leads people to onlinepilatesclasses.com. But like, I am often curious about, like, how can I introduce myself in a way that like, doesn't leave people with the, let me just cook my head I don't understand. So I'm gonna say I'm a Ghostbuster at some point, like it's I do think we need to figure out a way to introduce ourselves that does not have a title identified to it. Because even for people who don't work like an actual job because like stay-at-home moms, you are working the fucking hardest job. They also have the same problem like, Oh, I'm a stay-at-home mom. No, you are a mom. You like, you know what I mean? And I think we have to, I don't know, the whole Western culture needs a whole new do over on like, what it is that we do? 

Brad Crowell 25:22  

Well, I think (inaudible) that's the exact word. Do. Because it's like, I can't remember. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 25:32  

We're doing this with Brad Bijak. Bijak. We need to have him on the Pod. Put it down. Most people wait until they have. So they can do the thing and be the thing and he's like, no, you have to (inaudible) be do have like, be the thing, be it, do till you have seen it. I was like, he's doing my podcast.

Brad Crowell 25:57  

But the, hidden laughs over here, but. 

Lesley Logan 26:02  

After hours, guys, so sorry about this episode.

Brad Crowell 26:06  

But the point is, we introduce ourselves as the "do". That's what we do. But we are the "be".

Lesley Logan 26:14  

But we are the "be". So actually, maybe just introduce yourself as the person you want to be in the room. In fact, I am recalling an episode of a podcast from 10 years ago, where this guy was unemployed. And he introduced himself to Arianna Huffington as the person he wanted to be, and he fucking landed a job. Nice. I mean, crazy. And I was like, okay, so part of that seems a little narcissistic and maybe crazy. But what if you, like just introduce yourself as like the like, instead of being I'm the person who is the accounting, if you want to be the person who's like a number one Etsy seller, oh, I have an Etsy shop. Right? And like the be it is

Brad Crowell 27:03  

But still that's a that's a do.

Lesley Logan 27:06  

Um, what's what you want to be? So you're saying it before it's ready, but okay. I see what you're saying. Um, well, then if you are the sticker shop girl, then you are someone who creates happiness wherever you leave people. And people go, what is that? Oh, I make stickers. And people put stickers everywhere. Like, yeah, she's,

Brad Crowell 27:27  

I think we need to workshop this I like, I see what your point is. And I think that's valid. Because it's It's definitely like how she's serving people in that in that in that response. But yeah, we tend to default to something that we're proud of, which, you know, is like, you know, the art of bragging. But but it also tends to be

Lesley Logan 27:48  

There's a book on that. It's called The Art of Bragging.

Brad Crowell 27:50  

I know. That's and so it also tends to be you know, our title, so.

Lesley Logan 27:59  

Well, yeah, I think well, everyone, send us your workshop on this. What is your be? And how are you gonna introduce yourself without using your job title? 

Brad Crowell 28:08  

Be, do, have. 

Lesley Logan 28:09  

What are you going to do Brad? That's homework. We'll figure this out. 

Brad Crowell 28:12  

I'm gonna BDH. Be, do, have. 

Lesley Logan 28:14  

Well, what if we just say like, I help women prioritize themselves? 

Brad Crowell 28:17  

I dig that.

Lesley Logan 28:18  

That's my introduction from now on right now. Starting this moment.

Brad Crowell 28:22  

I'm in. I agree. I like that. 

Lesley Logan 28:24  

All right, cool. Okay, well, let's talk about the Be It Action Items.

Brad Crowell 28:26  

That's what we be. 

Lesley Logan 28:27  

That's what we be. That's a shirt. 

Brad Crowell 28:32  

That's what we be. We got merch. Okay, finally, let's talk about those be it action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Candy Motzek? Well, she said, every time she hears the word, be it till you see it. She always thinks of the word bee. 

Brad Crowell 28:34  

Bee. Hey, shout out to Bridget who goes by bee 

Brad Crowell 28:44  

Yeah. Because she said it's really the start of it. And she started to talk about embracing the mindset of being. Being your goal even before you have a goal right before you visibly see the goal. 

Lesley Logan 29:15  

Before you see results which is like the 

Brad Crowell 29:17  

Yeah, the be, do, have, right? So if we're if we're sticking with the theme, be it before you have it be it before you're doing it. Be it. Yeah. And you know I think I think that it's like you were talking about the guy who introduced himself before you know who he wanted to be and then landed that job and that's what this entire podcast is all about. Yeah being until you see it y'all. 

Lesley Logan 29:44  

Yeah so, it's not about waiting until you have it to do and be it. So she (continued) on be with whatever the next step that they want to be is be it now and she actually made it like a little bit more tangible than I think anyone's ever said, which is like, when you're brushing your teeth. So if you want to be an executive or if you want to be a badass boss bitch, like, how would they brush their teeth? Would they slumped over the counter? Grab it, judge themselves

Brad Crowell 30:17  

They have someone who brushes their teeth for them.

Lesley Logan 30:21  

You know, what's actually really funny as we were in Cambodia, and I wasn't making the bed and Brad goes, "Rich people make the bed." And I was like, fucking right they do. They do. So if you're washing the dishes, how would someone if you want to be someone who isn't stressed out who has ease who, you know, has a big, bold, how all the things, whatever that is, whatever that person is going to be when you're washing the dishes, how would they wash the dishes, would they wash the dishes with amazing music on? Would they wash the dishes with like, their favorite show on? Like, how would they wash the dishes and do that now. Because it's really crazy. Like, if you actually think about this, like, who you want to be in the future? If you were that person now with all the things you still have to do. How would that person handle those things? Yeah, this is how Be It Till You See It came about. Because I was like, Okay, I don't know how to be a CEO. Okay, well, if I was a CEO, how would I handle this problem right now? Okay, if I was here, right now, I probably wouldn't be handling this problem because someone else would be handling this problem. So who would be handling this problem? Okay, so it'd be that person. Who is that person in my company right now? Oh, I can hire Brad to do that thing. Okay, I'm gonna hire Brad to do that thing. Like, you could, you can actually like step into the role, like, a CEO does not actually stress out about whether someone is on time or not. Someone else stresses about that person being on time. The CEO manages the person who does that. So if I'm the CEO, I can't think about, not, like minor problems, I have to focus on the big problems. I focus on the big fires. And that really helped me go, oh, these are the fires, I have to worry about burning, not those ones over there. So that is like what she is asking you to do. Whoever you want to be next being that now when you wash the dishes, when you brush your teeth when you do your day-to-day stuff. How would you drive the car? If you were this this person and you're driving your car are you going, fuck you, da-da-da, honk, honk, honk. Or are you like, oh, I am driving. I'm like sitting in the backseat of the car, this car like you might have to still drive the car. But like, you wouldn't actually be paying attention to any of that nonsense. Because you would be in the backseat. You're in the front seat now. But you could, like, what would it like to be in the backseat and not care about the person cutting you off? Try it out. Let us know how it goes in your life. Tag Candy. Tag the Be It pod. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 32:31  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 32:32  

We fucking love you. 

Brad Crowell 32:34  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 32:34  

And since it is Thanksgiving, we are very grateful for you. I know we say it all the time. But you need to know like, this podcast doesn't exist if you don't listen.

Brad Crowell 32:42  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 31:09  

So thank you for listening to the show. Thank you for sharing it to your friends. Thank you for sending your suggestions in, your questions. You know, we and if you 

Brad Crowell 32:51  

If you have never written to us, 

Lesley Logan 32:54  

Write to us. 

Brad Crowell 32:55  

Just say hi. You don't have to actually ask a question. You can just say, hey, heard your pod. Love you.

Lesley Logan 33:00  

Do you know, you can post it in the review, if you want. And also, we send out an email every Thursday about the pod and you can just hit reply on that, it comes to me. 

Brad Crowell 33:09  

You can also do that. 

Lesley Logan 33:10  

It comes to me. And if you're like I don't get that email, well, hit me up. And I'll tell you how to get the email. 

Brad Crowell 33:15  

Go to the website. Lesleylogan.com. 

Lesley Logan 33:17  

Yeah, you can get that. Anyways, we are really grateful for you. And because we do this for you, and when you are stressed, when you're frustrated, when you're crying, when you're like, oh, I wish I could just fucking have it already. All those problems are how I find guests. And you're not alone in those problems. That's why we do this podcast, it's really important that you understand that every single person has obstacles. Every single person who listens to this podcast has an obstacle that they've overcome and probably one they're dealing with in the moment that I'm interviewing them. And they show up for you, you show up for you. And that's why this podcast exists. So thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 33:55  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 33:57  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 34:24  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 34:27  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:32  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 34:36  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 34:43  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 34:49  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Gone are the days of the 9-to-5 grind. Join Lesley as she sits down with Candy to delve into a modern coach's experience, highlighting the balance between work and freedom. Discover the mindset shifts, tools, and strategies that paved Candy's way for a holistic business transformation.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Candy's transition from a corporate world to a coaching career.
• Understand the core objectives of coaching.
• Delve into entrepreneurial mindsets that drive business success.
• The typical oversights that can hinder one's professional growth.
• Learn the art of accepting and using your inner critic for personal growth.
• Explore ways to introduce adaptability in your business ventures.
• Grasp the transformative power of embodying your aspirations in the present.

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• Listen to Candy’s Podcast She Coaches Coaches

Guest Bio:

Candy is a best-selling author podcast host of the show She Coaches Coaches, and life & business coach for coaches. Candy helps smart people start successful coaching businesses. She believes that coaching transforms lives and that being a coach is a calling. She helps coaches get unstuck & feel more confident so they can play bigger, sign clients & create more meaningful success. She is a 'recovering' corporate executive & engineer who combines practical strategy & mindset in her calming unique approach

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Episode Transcript:

Candy Motzek 0:00  

The first mistake is a misunderstanding about what fear is. And we think that we're going to get rid of fear before we do the thing. And so once we understand that fear is part of the ride and fear is I won't say fear is your friend because that's like, doesn't ring true to me. But it's always gonna be in the back seat of your car.

Lesley Logan 0:25  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:07  

All right, Be It babe. I'm so excited. This is a really fun conversation. And I guess Candy Motzek is a coach of coaches. And if you're like, I'm not a coach, I bet whatever you're doing probably will align just fine. Because I know I felt like she was speaking totally to me and to the people that I work with. And so what I love so much happens around halfway point. Because like she'll have two things around the halfway point because she talks about these five things that we all need to know. And then we actually get to the Be It Action Item. And I just think that like, it's such a great way to understand why this podcast even exists, and it's how to help you. And so my loves. Here's Candy Motzek. Let us know how this helps your life by tagging the Be It pod and letting Candy know and we'll see another side. 

Lesley Logan 1:59  

All right, Be It babes. I'm so excited. I have an incredible woman we've already been chatting behind the scenes and I should have hit record because it would have been it'd been fun for the outtakes. But Candy Motzek is our guest today she is a podcaster as well. And also when I was listening to what she's doing, she's a badass person who's just like helping women show up more. So I'm I think this is a great conversation. Candy, will you tell everyone who you are, and what you're rockin' at these days?

Candy Motzek 2:20  

Oh, Lesley, thank you so much for inviting me to be on the show. I'm super excited about this. So my name is Candy Motzek. I'm the host of the podcast, She Coaches Coaches. And that is kind of it. Like, in a nutshell. That's what I do. I am the coach for coaches, and I help new coaches get started, struggling coaches get out of their own way, and make money and have clients and do what they love and live like that life. Right? So. 

Lesley Logan 2:50  

Oh, I love that. Okay, so first of all, I love that because like in my world, I have a Pilates teacher who teaches Pilates teachers and like that's a lot of I teach a lot of people who are not Pilates teachers as well, but it's a lot of what I do. And I think coaches need coaches like whatever that coach is. How did you kind of like get started doing that? Because obviously, (inaudible) a coach, first, I would assume, but like what was the journey getting there? 

Candy Motzek 3:12  

Yeah, so and I love that you're a Pilates teacher that teaches Pilates teachers. It's like that sort of meta. So the way that I look at it is this as therapists, a good therapist always has therapists, a doctor needs doctors. And so of course coaches need coaches. Right. So how did I get started is I spent a lot of time in corporate land. And it was wonderful until it really was not wonderful. And I had always wanted to be something like a coach. Coaches didn't exist when I was making my first university choices. But that's not the path I took. I took the path that said being an engineer. So we don't know how those two things go together. But

Lesley Logan 4:00  

I'm like, I'm in. I can. I'm sure there's a those two for the Venn diagram where they go together.

Candy Motzek 4:07  

And so I started down the path, I did all the corporate thing. What happened was I was that person that everybody would walk into my office, whether I reported to them, or they reported to me or they didn't even work in my area. And they would close the door and they would sit down and they say I got something going on. Can we talk? So after a while, I thought it would be good to get some training. And then I started coaching. And then the people who started showing up were coaches and saying, Hey, I'm struggling. Can you help me? So here we go.

Lesley Logan 4:43  

You know, I love this because I talk about this all on the show. A lot of times people don't really know what their thing is like I don't know what my purpose is like they make this purpose like this amorphous like big thing we've got to figure out and oftentimes people are telling you what that is, because they're showing up at your office and like, can you help me like it's the thing that you're being asked all the time is what people think you're this natural expert in. And we take it for granted because it came easy for you to kind of solve a problem or to take a bigger take a different look at something. 

Candy Motzek 5:11  

Oh, for sure. Yeah. And I think, you know, this idea, I spent a lot of time with that big question like, "What is my purpose?" You know, sort of expecting to get the Thunderbolts from heaven. And what I found out was that your purpose wants you. And so those are the people that show up just like you said, like, we spend our time almost with our hands in front of our eyes going, I don't know what it is. But our purpose wants us as much as we want it. And so all you have to do is just be bold enough to take those hands from your eyes, and then just relax, and you'll be surprised. It's like, it's right there.

Lesley Logan 5:53  

I love that. Oh, my gosh, I can picture that with all the people that we work with are like, I don't know who I'm supposed to help. And I'm like, like, the person who you want first is probably a great start. Also, like, you know, like, I It's true, people are waiting for the thunderbolt like, it's gonna come from the heavens, it's gonna, like, the seats are gonna part and like, here it is, because the movies have all done that, but it doesn't have it kind of is almost like, I don't know, for me, it was like this. somebody was like, You should teach Pilates. I was like, I could do that. Like, thankfully, someone said it like as I was really waiting for a big sign. But it's like, it's almost like, I don't want to say the frog in the boiling water, but it slowly warms up. And it's like, oh, what's this thing that I've been doing that kept so easy for me and that I'm naturally good at and I actually really like doing, it is the thing I'm supposed to be doing. So I also want to highlight you said like, coaches should have coaches, I had a coach who's like, you need to be a product of your product. So like, as a Pilates teacher, I need to be doing Pilates. Even if it looks different on my body. Like when I had a broken leg, it looked different than that, like, whatever that version of it is needs. I need to be doing it. Otherwise, it's not going to feel congruent to be selling it to people.

Candy Motzek 7:04  

Yeah, and that's I don't know about you. But you know, the people that work with me, that's like mistake number one. Yeah, of course, you're having problems signing clients, you don't believe in it enough for yourself. So why would anybody feel like they can feel that integrity, right? They can feel that this is, this is what I do. This is part of my growth path. And I do it even if I'm, if I'm not happy with that right now, but it's still part of my practice.

Lesley Logan 7:31  

So, um, you obviously left the corporate world and started doing all this. What was what was that journey? Like? Because I know, for me leaving a salaried income to like, go do it myself was hard. Like I was single living in LA like, you guys, you can't the $60,000 is poverty in LA. So that is you have at least one roommate and you drive 45 minutes without traffic to get anywhere. So it's an hour and a half with it. So like, what was that journey like to kind of take that big leap? Was it scary? How did you adjust to that? 

Candy Motzek 8:08  

Yeah, so I'm sitting here listening to your question. And I'm thinking, Oh, I'm gonna tell her about my plan and how I saved money, which is true. I did, you know, I saved, I decided, I'm married, and I had kids, they're grown now. But we just I decided that I would see what would happen if I could live on half my salary. And I use that difference. And the clients that I brought in to create that nest egg. So that's the lovely sort of the surface-level answer. And the below-the-level answer is that it was terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. Because we have been fed this story, that our identity is our title, our job, you know, so when you've got the fancy title that's kind of becomes part of how you identify yourself and how you identify that you're successful. And then we were also fed this line that our job is security. And, you know, it couldn't be further from the truth, right? Like, there's nothing more secure than being employed like self-employed, right? It's like, this is up to me. I gotta make this happen. Right? And that's where the real security is.

Lesley Logan 9:17  

I, okay, rewind everyone, listen to this, because this is actually something that frustrates me so much, my husband and I work for our own company, and trying to buy a house, you would think the bank, you would think we were like, the bank is like, get away, just run away. Thank God for the government who's like, here's this thing, but you should make you here's all the hoops you gotta jump through to get it. But we'll, we'll let you. We'll let you try. Right. And they're like, but if we were W-2 from an actual company that we didn't run, they would go oh, that's so secure. Never mind the people who get laid off all the time to get rid of all that without even warning without even reason. And oftentimes, right before you invest everyone right before you feel like waiting until you're like vested or whatever that thing is, I promise you're getting fired right now.

Lesley Logan 9:21  

Exactly, even as a top performer, even as a high potential, you know, they're like, no, no, the company is going in a different direction. And I'm sorry, your widget number 234. And widget numbers 231 to 235 are going and you happen to be in that range. Right? So, yeah,

Lesley Logan 10:08  

And it's like, but what I know is like when when the shit hit the fan and it was like Covid, guess what? I could rely on me. Like, I was like, what? Okay, what are the things that I could do? You know, it wasn't that it wasn't scary. It wasn't like scared to death, but I knew I've never failed myself. 

Candy Motzek 10:32  

Yeah, yeah. Right. Like that is a tweetable.

Lesley Logan 10:38  

Yeah, oh, my gosh. Okay, well, thank you for sharing the pretty version. And also like the the real version inside because I do think like, your pretty version is also like a really great thing. If you can live on half your income, you can save up pretty fast, y'all. And it's, it can be scary. If even like, if you're like barely making it paycheck to paycheck, there are things you can do. And also, if it's really, if your job is really terrifyingly bad for your mental health, it, you have this, the sooner you make the leap, the better, because it's not going to actually, you'll actually live off less money faster, when you're happy. That's what I found.

Candy Motzek 11:15  

Yeah, totally. And just because you're gonna leave that job doesn't mean that you couldn't get another job. You know, like, I don't know if it's spoken about a lot. But what happens if you're at a really high functioning job, and you've got this dream of this business that you want to create, you don't need to stay there, especially if it's bad for your mental health. And I am like one of the poster child for that. However, why not go and get one of those, like, down-to-level jobs that you can do in your sleep, you can make the paycheck, you've got the savings, you got the benefits, and using that as your fund. And that, okay, you know, at least I got some money coming in this week, to go out and build a business you want. So consider that. Like, it's not an all or nothing thing. Right?

Lesley Logan 12:01  

Yeah, I thank you for bringing that we had a we had a business retreat here at our house last fall. And one of the girls is like wanting to leave her job. And she's like, Okay, I have to say about this my so I could just start my own thing. And I was like, she mentioned they pay Starbucks employees now. Like, what is the actual difference? If you were to work at Starbucks, you'd work this many hours to get health insurance. I bet you you could probably get a job at a Starbucks as a barista that many hours, and you don't like when you leave Starbucks. They don't call you know, unless someone's sick, like, you don't have like an email to check. There's nothing there. So you've all these hours. And I think sometimes, maybe it's pride or ego or whatever. But like, you know, I think we forget that there are other options where there's jobs where they just that it needs to be done, and they hate the person who makes my coffee, you bring lots of joy to my day. So don't ever count that. But it could actually allow you to not be in a stressful job, and then do the thing that you want to do. That's a great point you made.

Candy Motzek 12:57  

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Lesley Logan 12:59  

So, Candy, I'm so sorry. Go ahead.

Candy Motzek 13:01  

No, go ahead. I just I just made me start thinking about something. But then my brain started running away so.

Lesley Logan 13:05  

I had that. So I guess like, so you've been doing this for a long time. What do you see is like the biggest mistake I know, like you coach coaches, but people who listen to us, whether your a Pilates teacher or anything like that, like coaches is the same word because we all kind of, you know, make the similarities. What do you think the biggest mistakes you see people make in that role are doing?

Candy Motzek 13:26  

Yeah. So there's, there's five, that I see. The first mistake is a misunderstanding about what fear is. And we think that we're going to get rid of fear before we do the thing. And so once we understand that fear is part of the ride, and fear is, I won't say fear is your friend, because that's like, doesn't ring true to me. But it's always going to be in the backseat of your car. Once you know that it's always going to be there. And it's never going to go away. And it's not going to go away before you do the thing. It helps you to kind of settle down and do the thing. So that's the first thing. The second is distraction, doing everything that's busy instead of the thing that's going to make you money or sign you clients, signing up for the next program, finding another mentor that seems like they have a really good sales pitch, but maybe doesn't really fit into your style or your business plan. People are worried about tech, they get all up to twiddle about tech and tech is really, you can hire somebody to do the tech really, really see. So and then the fourth thing is doing it on your own. You know, so I'm sure that the people that come and learn with you. Some of them probably struggled, they're the lone wolf you know, I'm really independent. I can figure it out. But doing it and as part of a community, part of a peer group. There's a lot to help people along. And then finally, the worst of it is people who want to be Pilates instructors or coaches or yoga instructors, those who don't do what they say, they're gonna do. Like they're not working with a coach. They're not doing Pilates. They're not you know, they're not practicing practicing their skill, their mastery their zone. 

Lesley Logan 15:14  

Yeah. All of those I agree with. And I think that that rings true for people across all all work lives because it is true like one trying to do it on your own, like, what's the whole thing like if you want to go fast, go alone. But if you want to go far go with people like you, you'll go fast somewhere. Maybe the wrong direction. Then you're by yourself, and you're further from or you don't know what to do. So like, it's really true. I don't know where it's been ingrained that like, you got to do it yourself. Otherwise, it's not worthy. wasn't good enough. But like, you know, every person who accepts an award always thanks, people. I've never heard someone accept an award and go, I did it all myself.

Candy Motzek 15:56  

I think there was one acceptance speech like that one time, it was a joke, but it was like that. And that was what they said is like, thank you. I did it all myself. And everybody, of course, laughed, because they knew that they were part of a massive community that was so supportive, right? Yeah. But that's the that's the thing. And why would you believe that, right?

Lesley Logan 16:14  

I know, I don't know why we believe that. Because it's not like there's there's no no evidence for that. And then, and then like, the tech thing, oh, my gosh, tech stuff, it really is. And here's the thing, this is the best time to do anything for yourself, that could make money because now there are little like plug and play like and if you don't know what those words mean, it means you like login. And it's like, pick these colors, and it will just do it for you. And it's like, you pick your font. And it's like, Here you go. And all you have to do is make a decision. And then a website is built, it's online. It's are you like, you have to get like a bank account. Like that's the hardest thing you'll have to do on your own. And then there's all this tech stuff. So I think we get this so-called fear. If you, and you know this, you're a coach, the story, you tell yourself, if I'm not good at tech, you will never get good at tech.

Lesley Logan 16:15  

You don't need to, and you don't need to be good at tech. No, you know, nobody says you have to right? There are so many people that are fabulous with tech. Let's let them use their superpower. 

Lesley Logan 17:09  

Yes, yes. And that's a big thing for us. Like, I have people who like you get so much done. I'm like, Do you think I'm doing it by myself? There are a bunch of people who are super good at it. And I'm like this, I'm like, they're like, What do you want? I'm like, What do you think we should do? If this is my goal, what do we need to do? And then can you can you do that? That's great. Thank you still let me know when it's done. 

Candy Motzek 17:33  

It looks beautiful. 

Lesley Logan 17:34  

Yeah. I have no notes. So I think those are those are really applicable things for anything people are doing it. I mean, everyone who's listening, this knows the intro to the show, like, you know, the only antidote to fear is action. And the only way you get clarity is taking action. Like you're like you said it like it's like in that back seat. It's like never going away. It's that it's that thing, it's a bumper sticker on your car. And it's almost like, I liked that you said it's not a friend because I hate that quote, because it's that's just like a cognitive dissonance. But, but knowing that it's always there. It's almost like not comforting, but I can relax with that and go okay, I don't have to get rid of it. I just have to learn how to like, bring it along. 

Candy Motzek 18:15  

Yeah, yeah. And I think there's a place there too, for a little bit of compassion, right? Like that voice that, you know, the inner critic voice. We fight against it, you know, and the inner critic voice is often the voice that speaks in fear to us. But then we fight so hard against that voice. And that's kind of its goal, right? Like it wants us to focus on that fight instead of doing the thing because then we're distracted. But if we can use a little bit of compassion and remember that that fear that inner critic voice is there to keep us safe. You know, like it really wants us to be safe and secure and loved and part of the you know, part of the crew then we don't fight against us so hard because it's actually trying to help us it's just misguided.

Lesley Logan 19:10  

Yeah, yeah, it's almost like the more you ignore the Martin in yellow suit.

Candy Motzek 19:14  

Oh yeah. Mine is really loud in case you're wondering.

Lesley Logan 19:17  

Oh, gosh, same um, I I've always thought about naming it but then I was afraid if I picked a name and then I met someone I would probably like with the same name you know, but like so I've just never. Candy, I want to go back to that journey because like, you shared it so well like you like were scared inside but also you did these things. What was it like with family friends as you changed your career instead of working for yourself? I think a lot a lot of people are like, oh gosh, my family doesn't get what I do. I'm working for myself and they have this you know, our families like to project a lot of of their own fears onto us. If our if our if our existing fear is not enough, we get there as to how did you kind of like how did you bring them along and get them used to it and how did that journey go for you. Did it take a long time?

Candy Motzek 20:03  

Yeah, so that's, that's kind of a funny answer. So my family generally is quite supportive. They were nervous for me. And so, you know, yes, there was that part of it. But even now, I don't think they really know what I do. You know? So they'll say things like, so how's business? And they'll say, Oh, it's good. And they'll say, so what exactly do you do? Well, I get on Zoom, the vast majority of my practice is one on one coaching, you know, so I'm on Zoom, and I talk to people for an hour at a time. And we talk about stuff, and we laugh, and they cry, and then we laugh some more. And then they go away, and they just create these amazing things. And they're like, what's a podcast? It's like, they can't comprehend it. So they do their best to be supportive, but they just kind of they still don't really get it. And I think that that's part of the why not be the lone wolf DIY, because your family, they're going to do the best they can for you. But they don't really get what that kind of a business this, like, they can't even comprehend it. So go hang out with your people, you know? 

Lesley Logan 21:16  

Yeah, I think like, trying to force your family to get something that you're so passionate about, unless they have unless there's like, I had this one coach who was like, when you ever pitch in an idea, try to say like, it's like the American Idol version, but with food or something like that, because it's like, the only way people are gonna get things that is like, so weird. But it's also like, maybe just let your family, be your family. 

Candy Motzek 21:40  

Yeah, I love that.

Lesley Logan 21:41  

And then people like you, and other people who actually have either gone where you want to be, or are trying to get there around so that you can feel seen and also get the support you want. And then when you go hang out the barbecue it can just be a barbecue.

Candy Motzek 21:58  

Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is that, isn't that sort of a weird concept like that we don't have to go and talk about our business and our passion projects when we're out socializing at, you know, the aunt's birthday, like, why should we?

Lesley Logan 22:14  

I know. And like, I love my family. And they, and they, because of social media, they can also see what I do. But also it still doesn't make sense to them how it makes money. And I'm like, It's okay. You don't have Don't worry, the bills are being paid. How about that? Like, don't worry, the student loans are paid off, you're off the hook anyways, you have nothing to worry about. So you know, but I do think that those fears of rejection, so thank you for sharing that. Like, they don't get it. And so you're, if you're listening, your family probably won't get it. And that's okay.

Lesley Logan 22:42  

It's totally okay. 

Lesley Logan 22:45  

Yeah. You've been doing this for quite some time. What are you most excited about right now?

Candy Motzek 22:51  

Hmm. So what I'm most excited about right now is that I actually went to Mexico for a month. And I worked two days a week. And I still signed clients. Oh, my gosh, it's possible, right? Like, so often, we grow our business, because we want to be have able to have that freedom. And I actually created it. So that's pretty cool.

Lesley Logan 23:18  

Okay, that's cool. So I want to go back to the be it till you see it there. Because obviously, it's felt like a trial. Is this a trial run to see if you could like work two days?

Candy Motzek 23:26  

No, it's a trial run, because I want to go away for two months of the year, so one month in the summer, one month in the winter? And can I do that and still have a business and not, you know, sort of go crazy with stress and all that kind of stuff.

Lesley Logan 23:41  

That's so cool. So for you to do that. If you don't mind, like sharing, like, like, is there? What did you to change about your habits and your and your, your work schedule to make that happen? Because I know for me, like when I wanted to take a month off in December because it's what I want to do. I was like, okay, so that means we have to just film a little extra, every month. So we decided to take 12 months of the year of work and like condense it into 11. Like, is that the process you went through? Or what was that like?

Candy Motzek 24:11  

I like to batch. And so for my podcast, I'm usually I've recorded probably two to three months in advance. So it's just making sure that I'm really well prepared. And that is one of the places that being in corporate really sets you up good for that is that I know that I need to send out my emails, I know that I you know, have these different meetings, I know that I want to guest on shows and all of that kind of stuff. And so I just squish it all in. I've got it down. It's pretty systematized. A lot of the system isn't something that's super documented in a fancy process map, but I know what I need to do to create my podcast episodes. And so then I just do it, you know, I record them all then I do all the episode notes. Then I do this then I do the next then I do the next. And as soon as I start doing that, it makes my life so much easier. And then I'm freed up for those other projects. Sometimes it's a go away for a month. Sometimes it's another project that I wanted to work on. So it's about being systematized and batching the work.

Lesley Logan 25:15  

Hmm. I like that. Because I even throw in there like another project I want to work on I, I think we tried to, like, fit things downwards. Like, let's fit one more thing in. And you mentioned earlier, when you're saying like, people do all the busy work, you fit this thing in, and it's like having the focus of like, what's the goal? What am I trying to do? What are the systems I have to do to make sure that gets done? And then how do I do it in the manner that let's say, have a month off, and then you had to, had to take so you're in Mexico, we just were there for a week. And we're like, on vacation. It was a great test for our business, like can the team handle things while we're gone. And we're not checking the emails and, and, and I'm gonna throw Brad under the bus with two hands. He got, he got caught with the computer at the bar. While we're on vacation, because I went downstairs, and he's like, oh, introduced me to a chef at the hotel. And the chef's like, oh, yeah, I met him when he was at his computer, by himself at the bar with his computer. And like, with your computer, really, we were working? While I was sleeping. So like, how did that what was that like for your mindset to go from like, maybe a four-day work schedule, or five-day to two.

Candy Motzek 26:26  

So it was a bit stressful. Because, you know, I love working on my business. And I always have another project and another creative idea. But it was more important to try it. You know, like, can I actually do it? And then the surprising thing was that the house that we had rented, the Internet was really not great. And so I had to go and find a co-working spot. So I went, I rented a private office, you know, half an hour away. And that meant those two days of work. I went there, and I worked. And so even though it was a little bit nerve-wracking to begin with, I'm like, What do you mean, the Internet just stops, that's gonna work for me. But then finding the place and once I found it, then it was like two days, I probably got four days worth of work done in two days. But it's the client time, you know, that client, making sure that my clients are, you know, really connected, so. 

Lesley Logan 27:25  

Yeah, I also I love how the universe was like conspiring for you. It was like, oh, let's just take her Internet away. So she can really see if she can go away for a month. Like she's really you know, but also I, you know, you brought up something like, I work from home. And so it can be really there's a lot of distractions, because there's dogs, there's, Tuesdays are the worst because the poop guy comes he picks up the poop and the landscaper and the housekeeper, just like oh my god. I don't I'm just like, I'm just like coordinating humans. And I'm not getting anything done. So I love that you found like a co-working space and you like you kind of have to just be there. Because you've only got a limited time that it's open and you got to get back in a half hour away. So it kind of forced you to like, you know, move more systemized in those two days that you had.

Candy Motzek 28:10  

Exactly, yeah. So it works. It works like a charm.

Lesley Logan 28:13  

I think that's a great way people can like set themselves up for success. If you don't have a lot of time for something like put yourself in a position where you could just like, focus on the thing while you're there. And do it. I interviewed somebody the other day. And she said she's like, you know what, when I was trying to do this side hustle thing and make it my real thing. She was also an engineering tech. She, in the tech world, she's like, I wrote my book from 11pm to 2am. Once a week. Oh, wow. And I was like, wow, I couldn't have done that. That's impressive.

Candy Motzek 28:44  

Yeahh, I'd like to sleep. So yeah. The concept, but it's the concept, right? It's like, this is something I really want. This is what I'm willing to do to get it and go. 

Lesley Logan 28:55  

Yeah. Also, like, I mean, Brad will say this too, like he gets his best work done after I've gone to bed because no one else is up like no one's calling no one's texting. No one's emailing, it's less distractions, you know, um, so, you know, you have to figure out what system works for you. So what's next for you, Candy, like, what are you, obviously two months off a year is the goal, but like, what are what's the next thing you're being at till you see?

Candy Motzek 29:19  

Yeah, so for me, it is yes, two months off a year. But also, I'm shifting slightly. So still doing my one on one practice because I love those private coaching conversations. But I'm going to be moving into having a membership as well. That's going to satisfy that community place for people and give them an opportunity for some group coaching. Some I've got a lot of recorded content and so I might as well pop it into a membership. So shifting, shifting how I do business, and this is a direct result of what I learned when I was away. I was like oh wait a minute, if I want to continue to grow my business and take time off, I need to look at a different balance of a model. And so this is this is the past. 

Lesley Logan 30:09  

Yeah, I love the ideas that come from like getting out of the business and getting out of your normal routines and like you figure out what you miss. And you also go, oh, that's what I've been. That's what I really want. I want more of that. Yeah, yeah, that's really cool. Like, thank you for sharing that with us. That's gonna be really fun to check back in and see how you do it. Because I think people get stuck on okay, once I do this, and that's it. And it's like, actually, we're all always growing. So like, it's so you know, like, you don't have to know all the steps, the staircase, the steps in the staircase, you just have to know the next one, and then get there. And then you can let that, let it evolve. You don't have to have the full picture right away.

Candy Motzek 30:48  

And you never, you can't have the full picture right away because you have no idea what you want. Like now I have a reason to want that. So now I created it to go with the desire, right? But before it was just a random idea. It doesn't mean anything. 

Lesley Logan 31:04  

Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. We're gonna take a quick break, and then we're gonna come out, come back and find out people can find you, follow you, maybe get this membership with you. 

Lesley Logan 31:12  

Alright, Candy, where do you like to hang out? Where do people get to, like, follow along with what you're doing?

Candy Motzek 31:18  

So they can always come and listen to my podcast. They're listening to your show, so they can just come on over and listen to mine. It's She Coaches Coaches. Of course, it's on all the players and everywhere under the sun. That's the easiest way.

Lesley Logan 31:30  

Yeah. Wonderful. Okay, before I let you go, you've given us like, I love the the five things, but what bold, executable, intrinsic, target steps can people take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us? 

Candy Motzek 31:42  

Yeah, so every time I hear that, be it till you see it. I always think of the word "be." And so that really is the start of it. So the practical place is that if you practice not reaching the goal that you want to get, it's not that sort of, I've climbed Mount Everest, and here I am at the top of the mountain. It's what is life like, once you've already been there. So whatever the next step that they want to be, is be that now. And so that's be that individual, as they're washing their dishes, as they're brushing their teeth in that common everyday place of land. So the practical part is start to play with it. Just like who am I when I'm already that? You know, Pilates instructor who am I when I'm already that fully booked, coach, as I'm getting dressed for the day, as I'm brushing my teeth, and as you're doing your day-to-day actions, just play with the feeling of being and you'll get there real fast.

Lesley Logan 32:46  

Oh, I love that so much, you guys. I that's exactly why the show exists. And it's it's just interesting. Like, if you think that you're gonna be this fun person once you've been there, then what's not? How can you make washing the dishes fun? Can you pull out some rap music while you're washing the dishes? You know, like, what can you, what can you do so that you can actually be that person today? Thank you, Candy. We could keep going. We'll have to have you back and everyone, you can go to her podcast literally wherever you listen to this. It's like just do little search thing, we'll have it in the show notes actually, so just a little swipe up and it's right there. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 33:24  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 33:51  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 33:55  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:00  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 34:03  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 34:10  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 34:16  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Discover the incredible power of small gestures in making others feel seen and supported. And how it comes full circle with Lesley's heartfelt wins—making others feel appreciated in today's FYF episode.

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• Learning and growing by facing challenges before feeling ready. 
• The importance of making an intentional effort to nurture friendships.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hello, Be It babes, welcome to winning Fridays. I mean, Fuck Yeah Fridays. I mean, even if you listen to this on a Saturday, it's a Fuck Yeah Saturday, it is all about just being like, fuck how I did that? And hearing what other people have done and call it a win so you can see yourself in that. So important. Sometimes we put other people on pedestals. And we think all of the things that they're doing are bigger deals, and that's why they're celebrating but I want you to hear like a lot of things that people are doing are the same things that you're doing and you have wins all the time. And it's important to, it's important to celebrate them it just really is you got to take stock of what you are doing because otherwise you're just gonna think about all the things you're not doing and like especially at this end of the year, especially this time of the year holy frickin moly with the holidays coming up if you're in the States for Thanksgiving and then there's also just the rest of the holidays everyone has to do with like it's so easy to focus which didn't get done in 2023 and my freakin goodness let's talk about what we did do. So got a couple of wins of yours. I want your wins so send them in you can send them out with your questions you want Brad and I to answer, send it to the Be It pod. Here is Liza Osoteo

So, Liza Osoteo, she is eLevate member and I just I love I love her win so much we've had her on before and with the wins and they just make me smile. So I hope this makes you smile. She wrote, "I'm overdue for posting my wins. I love the practice of celebrating my small wins and I'm piggybacking off of LL's win for asking for what you want. Asking for a particular table in the chandelier bar." If you remember an FYF from a while back, like I asked for it and I got what I wanted. So here we go. She said, "My win was a one-off and I'm learning it's not so much in the getting but it's in the asking. I was on my way to Hawaii with a friend, with my friend and Pilates teacher Mandy, and I told her I'm going to ask if there's room for us in first class. It was a long shot because the plane was full. So I asked a flight attendant, I'm practicing for asking what I want. So I'm just curious, what are the odds of getting seats in first class? Cheesy grin. What I appreciate was her response. She said, 'Yeah, because what's the harm in asking?' Exactly. Well, we sat in a coach but I felt triumphant anyways, just asking. Extra bonus Mandy taught me how to play solitaire Mahjong, I think that's just an entertainment flight thing. And that's something we play IRL." Just so for all the elder Millennials out there, I've always played the Internet Solitaire Mahjong I don't I can't imagine people are setting those tiles up but maybe they are in real life and I want to go I really enjoy it might be more fun in person. 

Liza, you I love this one I had to share it out because you're right the win is in the asking not in the result and I think like we always say like oh enjoy the journey it's not about the you know the destination. Well, then it has to apply to everything so it can't just be that was a win because you got first class it has to be a win because you like spoke up and ask for what you wanted or was hoping to get. So way to go. 

Second win from you guys is Alexis George. We've had her wins on before. She is an eLevate member as well with Liza and I love this win. She wrote, "My win is partly from last week. Y'all I did Agency Mini. It was an amazing experience. LL and Brad helped me figure find my long lost skill of writing totally forgot that had been beaten into me throughout college and careers. Thank you both. Also as an added bonus we got to experience breathwork with LL, It was so spiritual, love that really need to see LL on a different light. Lastly, today felt heavy. I wanted to go back into bed for the day and I did some weights, out of the breath work to my meditation chakra clearing. I received a helpful message and I feel like myself again. When life feels heavy, breathwork." Alexis, I love this because you put yourself in a room that seems scary that you were thinking you do next time because that's when you be more ready but you put yourself into the room before you felt ready which is the best time to go. And you gave yourself permission to to learn something and that means you found that you are really good at writing and writing is so great in this business. So I'm so excited for the amazing clients who are going to hear about you because of your amazing writing. And I love that you actually felt heavy, and then you did something to fill your cup first. And I think that that's really great. And so I love that you celebrate this because now, every time you feel heavy, there's actually a dopamine kick that you're like, oh, I'm happy, I feel happy I do this and I, and then I do some breath work. And then I feel like myself again, like the world feels light. So I just really, really love that. Because so often when like, life feels hard, we just, like lean into that and life is hard, we'd be (inaudible) so way to go. 

Okay. My win. So, I was in Cambodia for three weeks. And I actually like, I think I texted like a couple of friends, mostly friends that texted me. But mostly like, hey, I'll check in with you when I get back. And it was really great. I missed my friends terribly, but it was like really nice just to have like, no obligations, not that friends are obligations, but no calls of any kind, right? But my win is when I came back, I was like, I just really miss my time with my girlfriends, like I have some really awesome, amazing women in my life. And they say you're like the average of the five people you hang out with the most. So the thing is that none of my best friends live in town, all my best friends live not in town. And so I don't get to spend a lot of time with them. But I want to spend more time with them because I want them to be the average that we're spending time with. So I made a point that every week I was going to text, each one of my besties one a day and just not just like just check in on them ask a question, say something, right? And I've been doing that for several weeks now. And since I got back and it's really a lot of fun because it's not every week that you have time to like have hour-long calls with your friends, right? But just A. one, letting them know I'm thinking about them and B. being able to have that ongoing conversation that doesn't have, it's not an obligation. It's fun. We get to like actually see each other like you could feel seen by someone feeling seen by them me feeling helping them feel seen. So, so important. 

And I have been, I used to like think oh, I don't wanna do it in my morning walk because I'm doing my morning walk. But the reality is like the best time for me to send them a text is on my morning walk because all of them live in a later timezone. And then I don't have to respond back to them right away. I can respond to them later in the day, right? Because that's what texts are for. And so the win is like in A. doing the thing and making sure women in my life feel amazing and feel seen, B. what happens when you actually give out that you get that in return. So that has been like filling my cup in a big way, and C. the timing of things is gonna be perfect. People can put their phones on DND, y'all. So you don't have to worry like, oh, I don't wanna wake them up. Just send the thing. Send the thing that I'm thinking of you. That's a win in your life. When you do that, when we reach out to others, it builds a community. It helps people feel like they belong. Way to go. I'm so happy, proud of myself. Win, win win. 

Okay. Your affirmation to repeat today is I am safe and surrounded by love and support. I am safe and surrounded by love and support. Yeah, you are safe and surrounded by love and support. So anytime you're feeling a little bit lonely, you're safe and you're surrounded by love and support. So just reach out. Right? When you need something give it out to others and it comes back to you. When you love, give some love. Need some support? Ask them how you can support them. And it comes back. Reciprocity is real. 

All right, loves, these are your FYFs for today. I know the next time you hear from me is going to be a crazy holiday Black Friday, kind of sales thing. Please, please, please make sure you open up this podcast so that we can pour into you with all that chaos that's going on. Have a little pause for yourself. Remember, it's not all about the chaos. There's like good things out there. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 9:22  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:28  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 9:31  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:38  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 9:44  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

In this episode, Brad and Lesley recap their insightful interview with Tamika Robinson, the founder of Jar Fit. They discuss the significance of positive reinforcement, journaling, acknowledging progress in achieving one's goals, and the importance of embracing your feelings. 

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why positive reinforcements create habits to get you closer to your goals.
• How acknowledging your own progress can make you feel good about your achievements.
• The importance of writing yourself checks to make financial goals more real and achievable.
• Why feeling your "feelings" and crying is perfectly acceptable.
• The importance of narrowing down your to-do lists in prioritizing your tasks. 

Episode References/Links:

• Level Up Your Livestream at profitablepilates.com/livestream
• Black Friday, Cyber Monday (BFCM) Sale
• Chat with us!
• Overcoming Underearning by Barbara Stanny
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Lesley Logan 0:00  

Positive reinforcement is actually how habits are created. No one gets anywhere being shamed. You cannot shame yourself to hit your goals. 

Lesley Logan 0:08  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:50  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the motivational convo I had with Tamika Robinson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened that episode, feel free to pause this now. Go back, listen to that one, you're gonna hear Tamika and I giggle a lot, especially if you're listening 2x like Brad does, then it sounds like chipmunks. But it's a lot of fun. It's quite motivational. I loved it, it was really great. And then you can come back and listen to this or you can listen to us now and then decide when to listen to that. Whatever you want to do is totally fine. I just want to like highlight for a moment that this is the first time ever I have not tripped up on the intro of the recap. And we should just take a moment because it's what 200 Episode 290. After 145 times of trying here we are celebrating. 

Brad Crowell 1:34  

I also did not interrupt you. So yeah. 

Lesley Logan 1:36  

You didn't interrupt me and I didn't fuck up. And you gotta celebrate when you do things so your dopamine kick happens. And this is now a habit. 

Lesley Logan 1:45  

Okay, so today is November 16. It's Useless Stuff Day. That's so crazy. I think that my FYF for tomorrow is about how I cleared out my closet. I didn't even know that, so great. So the day was created to spread awareness around the clutter of unnecessary things in our homes, especially during the busiest shopping months of the year. It encourages people to adopt a minimalist lifestyle where only the essentials are bought or kept. Keep that in mind as we talk about Black Friday, Cyber Monday, most everything that we're about to talk about is digital. So not gonna take up any space. But I agree, I do think that like, we probably have a lot of things. So maybe pick a room one of the things that Brad and I do on the New Year, which we're going to do this time around Thanksgiving, because we're never home on the New Year's anymore. So I picked a new holiday. So on Thanksgiving weekend we are we go through room by room, like clean out a closet, clean out a drawer and just like get rid of stuff. You're like i What is this? It's taking up space.

Brad Crowell 2:41  

And it was a hell of a lot easier when we lived in an apartment. 

Lesley Logan 2:44  

Yes, now we don't. But now we have a whole weekend to do it, Brad, because we have Black Friday through Cyber Monday. 

Brad Crowell 2:50  

That's true. That's true. 

Lesley Logan 2:52  

Also, it's it's even if you just start with one room and just do the one room and you go, Okay, I have not used this in so many years like do you really need it, give it away to someone give it to someone. You can sell things on Facebook marketplace, you can make some money so you can actually get paid. Then what's going on. So next month is December. So we'll be on tour for our winter tour. And we've got tons of cities and lots of opportunity. Bring your friends bring your family, there's classes that anyone can attend. And then there's workshops that I designed them so that whether you're a teacher or a client, you can enjoy them. But there are CECs if you are a teacher. So go to opc.me/tour to see what cities we're going to be in. Look we're driving 7000 miles, you can drive two hours. I'm just saying. 

Brad Crowell 3:36  

100% 

Lesley Logan 3:36  

You can be part of if you are like oh my god Lesley, it's a holiday I have a family. I bet you they (inaudible), but you need a break. Or you can bring them and let me entertain them. So opc.me/tour. You're gonna want to be there. Next week is a holiday. 

Brad Crowell 3:50  

It's a crazy tour. We're going to be hitting something like 20-plus locations on this tour.

Lesley Logan 3:59  

Yeah. I want to light I want to lighten the van that's like you are in Denver and like, hello Denver what's up? Like, then I was like okay, Lesley, you are now in Austin, okay. I'm in Austin, okay, like I need to, I need a flashing light anyways, but let's get back to today. Next week is the official Black Friday Cyber Monday situation. So I know your inbox is full of people who celebrate all month long. But here at our household, we really like nostalgia. And so the earliest we kick things off is next Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, there are lots of opportunities for you to save on mat flashcards, on Pilates workshops, on business workshops.

Brad Crowell 4:45  

And my special upcoming live webinar.

Lesley Logan 4:48  

Yes.

Brad Crowell 4:49  

We're gonna be doing. We're gonna be selling tickets for that over BFCM as well.

Lesley Logan 4:54  

We might as well go into what that webinar is. 

Brad Crowell 4:57  

What your website needs. 

Lesley Logan 4:59  

You all, websites are not going anywhere. I don't care how important social media seems to be in your life. And no matter what your be it till you see it is I bet you need a website. 

Brad Crowell 5:09  

I'll be catering it specifically towards Pilates instructors. 

Lesley Logan 5:12  

Yeah. But if you're in a service based business

Brad Crowell 5:14  

If you're yoga or anything like that, that's super good, you know, it'll be super applicable for you too. And I'm going to be really digging into things like, let's say you actually have no interest in doing the website yourself. By the end of the webinar, you should be able to have a comprehensive, you know, conversation with your web designer, web developer person, so that, you know, you don't feel like they're talking over your head. 

Lesley Logan 5:40  

Well, and also you want to be able to know like, you don't need them to sell you things you don't need. So when you know what your website needs, you can be really clear, like, this is what I want, how much is this and that way you can really price compare, and you can find if someone's not listening to you be like, oh, like you're gonna have a lot more competence in those conversations. So super huge, you're gonna want to make sure if you're in the service-based industry, you're gonna want to make sure you're watching for our Pprofitable Pilates emails, because the best deal is going to be around the Black Friday, Cyber Monday. So we have discounts on OPC and on Profitable Pilates. So you'll have to go to the website specifically to grab all of those. There's options if you're not an OPC member, but you've always wanted to try it out. There's a deal for that. I mean, we are doing all the things most of them are digital so you can still clean out your house and be clutter free and get these things but you're (inaudible) flashcards just saying. Anyways, okay, so that is all the updates for us. Before we get into the episode with Tamika, do we have an audience question?

Brad Crowell 6:36  

Hey, we sure do. What a coincidence. This week.

Lesley Logan 6:42  

I just got this question today on Instagram.

Brad Crowell 6:44  

What microphones do you use to record your Pilates workouts? 

Lesley Logan 6:47  

Yes, so okay, um, in all honesty, I don't know. But Brad probably does. What we do 

Brad Crowell 6:54  

We use whatever Nate tells us to use.

Lesley Logan 6:57  

Yes, so Nate is the most incredible, most amazing salesperson at Sweetwater sound, and you guys. Sweetwater is like one of the coolest companies because they're like, they're kicking ass when it comes to selling microphones in all the spaces they're just like they sell more than microphones. 

Brad Crowell 7:14  

It's basically that like in the 90s and early 2000s They were competing with Guitar Center which was brick and mortar and they were a mail order catalog only. And then they went online and then now they actually give Amazon a run for their money for music distribution or for music gear distribution.

Lesley Logan 7:33  

And they have warehouses now in different places, which is a huge new thing for them (inaudible) yeah, and so they can get you stuff so quickly. So Nate is our guy and so here's how you can find out all the information on anything that we use to record for our YouTube videos and our on demand workouts you go to profitablepilates.com/livestream Brad made a fancy guide and has literally all the things you need to level up your live stream you it's free it's free guide just go to profitablepilates.com/livestream.

Brad Crowell 8:06  

Yeah and if the if the gear, gear changes over time so you know there's there's direct connection to Nate right in the on that guide.

Lesley Logan 8:15  

Tell him what you're doing and he'll tell you what you should get. 

Brad Crowell 8:17  

Just reach out to him just email him and tell him that you came from us. Tell him what you're looking for. And we'll help you out.

Lesley Logan 8:24  

He did our podcast mics, he does he helps us with our Pilates mics.

Brad Crowell 8:26  

Even this lighting.

Lesley Logan 8:27  

Oh yeah. And speaking of Pilates mics we have to get a new cord because we're at a year and yeah, these cords just so you know, everyone they're not made for filming Pilates. They're made for maybe filming a spin class.

Brad Crowell 8:40  

They're not made for rolling around on the microphone cord. No.

Lesley Logan 8:43  

Correct. And so basically like my cord lasts a year. That's all, that's pretty much all it is. And it's annoying and it's frustrating and yes, it's but it costs money. Guess what? It costs money to make money. I don't, I'm not going to sugarcoat it for you, it costs money.

Brad Crowell 9:02  

The cord's not that bad.

Lesley Logan 9:04  

It's like 100 bucks. 

Brad Crowell 9:04  

No, the cord, it's like seven.

Lesley Logan 9:06  

Oh, okay, well spent. But yeah, but like when you invest the first time for the microphone, it's like 100 bucks.

Brad Crowell 9:10  

 Yeah. The microphone is more expensive. Yes. Yeah, the cord is fine. 

Lesley Logan 9:14  

Anyway, so profitablepilates.com/livestream, you guys send your questions in, we answer questions ranging all host of things. So send them on to the Be It pod we can answer your questions on the next episode.

Brad Crowell 9:26  

Okay, now let's talk about Tamika Robinson, founder of Jar Fit. Tamika shares her journey as a personal trainer, focusing on 80 women to achieve their body goals. She's committed to empowering her clients celebrating their small wins and fostering self-belief through each step of their fitness journey. And I don't know if you've gone to her website to see pictures of her competition body. But she's amazingly impressive. When it comes to, she competes. And I think she's won titles and stuff. So it's amazing to see. You know, so you can do that. Her husband, I believe also competes because he's massive. 

Lesley Logan 10:13  

I know. But you know, like that, that means that parts of the year they only have rice and salmon. And like, that's a whole world of life. We didn't really dive into competitions, just because I wanted to be, yeah, no, yeah. Because I want it to be like what you can be till you see it. And I really like. So we had on James Patrick a while back and he hosts an amazing event every year about getting like booked for gigs. Hello, August. And getting booked for gigs. And we are one of the media outlets that they can get booked on. And he has been on the show. So he knows what we're looking for. And out of the like 500 people he's like, here are the best people I think you'd like. So take a look at all 500. But I think you would love these. And I did look through about 100. But I looked at the five that he sent me. And Tamika, I just like I really so which what came through on her stuff is very much this. Like she said, if you get better 1% every day, that the end of the year, that's 365%. Now I'm sure there's a mathematician who is actually going to say, well, actually, if you start off at 100%, it does compound, so it's even more amazing. It's even more amazing. And I loved it because it made me think of Allen Stein Jr. But how he's always like, did I get 1% closer to my goal today? And so I think like, especially because the women who listen to this podcast, hi, I see, you might type a perfectionist, we tend to think it's all or nothing if I didn't improve 100% I did nothing today. And it's like, actually, what if you do just one thing, one thing today that got you closer to your goal, at the end of the year, it's 365 things, you probably are going to surpass that goal. You know. And so when we make it up so hard, so she, she does this a little bit more specifically, we got into like, how she does with her weight training and like helping people. But I want to like more importantly, I want to talk about how she like, uses positive reinforcement to motivate her clients, you guys positive reinforcement is actually how habits are created. No one gets anywhere being shamed. You cannot shame yourself to hit your goals, period. And I'm sorry, you might be able to shame yourself to get out of the fucking bed a couple times a week or maybe get to the wherever the place but like you cannot shame yourself to achieving anything because it doesn't work is the same thing as like motivation. Like if you're waiting to be motivated, like that's going to come on you I was motivated at 4am this morning. That is not a consistent thing. It's just because we got home and we're still working on getting up at 5am. But I was like motivated and ready to go. That's you know, you can't just wait on motivation. It's going to come up with the worst times, right. And she also talked about like, how she really encourages her clients to journal and on their experiences and reflections. And I think this is really great. We listen to a guy on his podcast and he writes everything down. He must write his everyday down. Because he remember his his stories he's like on this day, 23 years ago, yeah, this thing happened to me. And I'm like, What the fuck? Is he reading his journal? Like, how does he know what happened on this day to himself in 47 years? Like, what is happening?

Brad Crowell 13:27  

Well, yeah, obviously he has it all catalogued too, so he could flip through? Yeah. And like immediately reference like, this day, on all these years previous. I mean, 

Lesley Logan 13:38  

What if we just did that for that recaps instead of like, it's this day in the world right now. Like, okay, on this day, 27 years ago, in my life, I went on my first date. No, but like, if you can take whether you want to journal in the morning, or in the evening, find a time to like, talk, like write down your experiences from the day write down three things that happened to you, and then reflect on like, how did you like that? What was your favorite part about that? Because those kinds of things help you really understand yourself. I with Brad and I were in a coaching session today with our coach. And I was like, Oh, I journaled today. And I became extremely aware of like, how I've been holding myself back this year. And it's not like in a negative way. It's like, oh, aha moment. Whoa, like, these things are really important. So I love that she does that and then she really encourages them to acknowledge their own progress. So they can feel good about their achievements. So just I think more coaches like her affecting more women out in the world she does it through weight training, but like my goodness, you guys don't You don't have to wait train with her to get this you can actually like take these things and like apply them to your life the way you do them.

Brad Crowell 14:42  

Yeah, totally. And, you know, when when? Well, she said a bunch of things that I also dug. One I thought it was really fun that she mentioned. She and her partner both share similar personal goals and so that's why they started working together. And that was fun. Because that's how life is for us. And it made me think about that. But I really loved when she was talking about, like her transition into becoming a coach. Becoming a trainer actually. And so she said, if you're planning on starting your side, hustle or leaving your full-time job, you must know what it is that you need to make, so that you can enjoy 

Lesley Logan 15:31  

I knew you'd love this. 

Brad Crowell 15:32  

Yeah. So you can like enjoy being, you know, in your new role. And because she, it was really interesting to listen to her talk about like, the idea of being a trainer. And that being her profession, right, because she comes from like, she went and got a Criminal Justice background degree, like master's degree. She was like, trying to work for the FBI, like three times she applied and wasn't getting the FBI. 

Lesley Logan 16:02  

I mean, their fucking loss, because she's amazing. And also, like, she's so sweet. I feel like the FBI would like just like...

Brad Crowell 16:08  

Yeah. Let's she, you know, so she had this preconceived notion of like, who am I? What am I supposed to do with my life, and then she just enjoyed the training and then started, you know, she got certified and then started training people. And but I still think even she mentioned that even after she started taking clients, she still wasn't like, convinced herself that this is her job, her profession, right. And it took a long time for her to settle in and actually did really lean into it. And, you know, so I think, when she was first starting out, she was a little unsettled, like, I'm not, you know, making my insurance or I'm not making my, my, you know, the money that I think I should be making or whatever. And so she then reflects on that and teaches her clients like, hey, you know, know what you need to make before you quit. And she said, also, what I thought was really nice is that it was messy. It was a messy process, I thought that was really cool that she was so transparent. You know, it didn't happen overnight, she didn't like immediately start making her goal income right away all the things. In fact, she, she started writing herself a check for 10 grand, every single month, even if she wasn't able to cash that check, she began to visualize this concept of like, this is the amount of money that I know that I want to make. I'm gonna write myself this check until I can cash (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 17:38  

I'm obsessed with this and so many reasons. reasons. One of the reasons is a too often people who work for themselves don't pay themselves an actual paycheck, they just like take from the bank account. Like, they don't actually get the same paycheck every month. Right? And the other reason I love it is like she's practicing writing down $10,000 paid to, to make it like the reality. 

Brad Crowell 18:00  

I think she started talking about like, Monopoly money, though, because she was like, I don't have a checkbook.

Lesley Logan 18:04  

Yeah. But also okay. But also like seeing that, or this is something I talked to, like people who like, that's too much money to charge. It's like, say it out loud all the time. So it doesn't sound foreign. It's like, you the those these things can be come a little esoteric, or, or I guess it's the best word for this. Yeah. If you if you only think about them in your head, but if you actually, like, write the check, like we've had, or like, when we got this house

Brad Crowell 18:31  

It doesn't feel real like it's you know, it's like, telling yourself, good job, but you don't, you know, doesn't really benefit you.

Lesley Logan 18:40  

I think like, the best you could do is like write yourself the check. Even if you don't cash it or, you know, grab Monopoly money,

Brad Crowell 18:46  

You got to associate it with an action, llike doing celebration is more than, you know, you inside your head saying I did it. You have to talk it out loud. You have to like, actually do something.

Lesley Logan 18:58  

And say, say these prices andthese goals out loud, because $10,000 might seem like a lot. If you're like me, you came from no money. Oh my god. Like, that's a lot of money. But if you start to say it out loud, and you talk about these numbers with your friends and things, I think it's so important for men to talk about how much money they make. And not in a boastful way. This is not like an arrogant way. This is a we have to start seeing these numbers as normal. It is normal to make $10,000 a month. It should be normal. And I know that like if you're like, oh my god Lesley, I barely make $2,000 a month. I'm like, so poor. Yeah, but talk like talk these numbers out so that 10,000 doesn't seem so far away. It seems one, you earned it, you deserve it. You deserve more than that. You're worthy of that and two, when you say your prices, it's not about your budget, right? It's about what you're worth of the effects that you make, that your talent has on these people's lives.

Brad Crowell 19:52  

The impact that you're having. 

Lesley Logan 19:54  

You're not charging for the 55 minutes you're charging for the impact it's having. And so Danny J, whe should have Danny J and Joel on the pod. We should just do that. Okay. If you're listening, ladies, just text them out for this. But Danny J had us, like, take what we charge and double it and go around and say how much does it cost to work with you? And I'm like, okay, so I took the OPC most expensive membership. And I said, okay, it costs $1,400 a year to take. And I said, How many classes that that membership included was like six times 12 is 64, 66, 64?

Brad Crowell 20:31  

I wasn't actually paying attention. 

Lesley Logan 20:33  

So how much is 12 times six?

Brad Crowell 20:35  

You get 104 classes? The most expensive? Okay, so 152.

Lesley Logan 20:39  

152. So 152 for $1,500 It's only 150 We don't try to generalize guys, but the point was to take what you charge and double it. And so if you think holy, that's fucking $10 cost well guess what, my rates are actually half that. So it's five dollars a class to work with me for a whole year. That's so cheap, right? But we think about oh my god $700. Like we think about the bigger number, right? Breaking it down. So Danny J had us like, take the money, double it. And then walk around saying that so that when you say your actual price, it sounds so inexpensive.

Brad Crowell 21:16  

Well, in that same vein, I she recommended a book. 

Lesley Logan 21:20  

I can't wait to read this. 

Brad Crowell 21:21  

Overcoming, called Overcoming Underearning by Barbara Stanny. And, you know, it was interesting to listen to her talk about that. I think that would have been really beneficial for me. When I was first getting started, you know, too because I was like, Oh man, if I can only make $100 today, you know, or if I can only make $30,000 a year if I can only make $50,000 a year. And you know, I think it's really important that we, like you said talk about the money side of it. But also it is expensive to live in a city. Period. So doesn't matter which city you're in. It's expensive to live in a city. And you know, to make 50 grand in a city. You're barely paying your bills. You know, 50 grand seems like so much fucking money for me.

Lesley Logan 22:18  

Yeah. Because I mean, I knew what my parents made, like my mom. I'm gonna say this because you want to know how schoolteachers make. My mom taught private school and in the 2000s. And I guess they call it the arts. I don't really understand what that comes from. In the 2000s. She made $22,000 a year as a full-time fifth grade school teacher. What the fuck? That is McDonald's employees back then made more money in a year full time. Okay, so she's the college-educated person who was making that. My father was making a little over 40 something at some point when I heard his salary. Me getting paid $50,000 I was like, I'm slaying right, I'm killing it. No, I could barely pay my bills, like where I live? Because I live in a city like you did. And so it's like, but because my mindset that seemed like, that's so much money, it was I did not have a mindset that was like

Brad Crowell 23:14  

Oh, my gosh, I was like, if I can make 75 I'm going to be rich.

Lesley Logan 23:17  

Yeah. If you move to I don't know, I don't even know where you can live for 75,000 anymore. Maybe Alabama? I don't know. 

Brad Crowell 23:25  

But, but I think but so this book, it was interesting to hear her talk about it. And so, you know, we're, we're, we're gonna check it out, too. We haven't actually checked it out, but Overcoming Underearning by Barbara Stanny. Yeah. So, you know, she, she also talked about when, you know, identifying her current situation and desired goals, she created a plan, saying I'm going to calculate all my clients figure out what I'm paying rent what I need, and then I'm going to figure out the plan. So for those of you who have worked with us in Agency, that probably sounds really familiar. We obviously talked about the magic number calculator, and it really helps create that clarity for what you need to set for your rates to help you work backwards, just like she was talking about here. So that you can make the money that you need to make to include time off, sick days off, you know, all those kinds of things. And I just thought it was really aligned with what we are all about. So yeah, great stuff.

Lesley Logan 24:28  

Yeah, I'm in love. Tamika, we love you.

Brad Crowell 24:32  

All right, so finally let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Tamika Robinson? She said if you are stressed cry, it's okay, you're allowed. You're allowed to do it. She said feel your feelings crying is perfectly acceptable. So you know this is interesting. I was never really taught this.

Lesley Logan 25:00  

I cry all the time. Yeah, but I had to remind myself it's okay.

Brad Crowell 25:08  

All right. Okay, I'm still talking over here. So my so what I was never really taught this and my, my feeling my feelings. I would wait, wait, wait until it became anger. And then I would feel my feelings in an explosive way. And that never benefited me. Anyone else around me none of that stuff. So I thought it was really helpful to just hear that. You know, you're you're supposed to feel your feelings that's being human. And if that, you know, turns into tears, that's okay. It's allowed.

Lesley Logan 25:46  

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm really glad that you heard it now. And I think

Brad Crowell 25:52  

Would have been really helpful. 20 years ago.

Lesley Logan 25:54  

I well. Isn't that the, I think...

Brad Crowell 25:56  

Even 10. 

Lesley Logan 25:57  

Well, can I just be honest, girls are told not to cry. And especially 

Brad Crowell 26:01  

So are boys. 

Lesley Logan 26:02  

Well, girls can, but not at work. Don't let anyone see you cry at work. And it's like, okay, but your passion is actually super. Like, if you if you're crying all the time, like maybe go take your hormones, but like, if you are so passionate, something you're so fresh, it makes you cry, because like the like, it's okay to like have those feelings, because if you shove them down, there is a really great book. I want to say it's called Burnout. It's like two sisters. I don't know that Burnout. I heard them on Brene Brown's podcast, but they said like that it's so important. To let

Lesley Logan 26:03  

It is Burnout. Yeah, Emily and Amelia Nagosaki. 

Lesley Logan 26:08  

Yes. So they said like, sometimes in the moment, it's not appropriate to feel you're feeling 

Brad Crowell 26:19  

No. Nagoski.

Lesley Logan 26:43  

Yeah. It's not it's not. It's not always appropriate. So like, for example, you may be walking on the street and somebody like, calls out like, I'll just say, I'll, I'll do an actual example in my life. I was run in LA I used to run and this guy who was dressed like a gnome, I swear to God. 

Brad Crowell 27:08  

A gnome? 

Lesley Logan 27:09  

Yes. You heard me say it. He (inaudible) hobbit. He had a foil, little cap on 

Brad Crowell 27:14  

I was thinking about the Seven Dwarfs. 

Lesley Logan 27:16  

Oh, he, maybe but like really sort of The Hobbit like kind of like the like the bigger guy with a braid on his beard? I'll be running with my own, and he'd go you're a whore. 

Brad Crowell 27:27  

What? 

Lesley Logan 27:28  

Right? Because He's cray. He has he has mental problems. Okay, so he has more problems than I have. It doesn't feel good to feel be called that, right? So when I was out of arm's reach of him, I would laugh out loud because like, if I were just to like, shove that down, and every Sunday, this man would call me a whore. It is actually not Oh, you don't want to be called that doesn't feel good to be called that there was another guy that Eric used to hear. He would like, he was this other crazy dude on Wilshire, and he would call it something. And I just started going, you know, may the Lord open, blessed be like, oh, but I would like to make a joke about it. Because I had to let out I had to have a reaction to let that out. And their whole point is like, maybe in the moment, you can't let it out. Like, in my case, I was in an area where I could like, let like joke about it or laugh it out. But if you do have to, like hold it together, because maybe someone says something in a meeting and you can't say anything in the meeting, you can't cry in the meeting, then you need to actually get home, get to a pillow, scream in the pillow, like let it out. Because if you don't, if you don't feel your feelings, they bottle up and they actually do cost stress on the body. And they can keep you from becoming the person you're meant to be in this world. So I love that Be It Action. Mine is she said to write down 100 things on your to-do list. And I swear to God when she said that I was like maybe we are editing this Be It Action Item. Because this is not aligned with my values. But then she said, then after the fifth thing, cross everything out.

Brad Crowell 28:59  

She said, Yeah, she said take the top five and cross out 95 of them. 

Lesley Logan 29:06  

Yes, yeah, yes. And I love this actually just kind of a book club meeting with Agency members called do the book was like, Do the One Thing or The One Thing or whatever. And I love this because it's so true. We put all these things on our list. But really the first five things are the most pressing things so they're top of mind the other 95 you're just like, look at me, I'm so busy. Look at me, like all these important things to do. So I thought that is so fun, because then you can get all that shit off your head, anyway. 

Brad Crowell 29:33  

It's brain dump total, brain dump.

Lesley Logan 29:34  

Such a great brain dump and then you know what your top five priorities are boom, way to go. It helps to underscore the importance of having clear tangible steps and a pathway to achieving your personal goals. So way to go Tamika, you're so fun. I'm so glad that James introduced us. I'm glad you put yourself out there so that you could be on this podcast and I'm excited for what you're doing.

Brad Crowell 29:54  

Yeah, it was great.

Lesley Logan 29:55  

It was great. We love it. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 29:57  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 29:58  

Thank you so much for being here. You all, we could not have the show without you. You just heard the episode 290 which means (inaudible) that means in less than three weeks, we're hitting episode three fucking hundred, holy moly. We have an epic week of episodes for you that week because we got Michael Unbroken coming back. So we want to know what your favorite part of this episode was. You have to actually tell us that.

Brad Crowell 30:20  

Yeah, you actually have to like send us a DM.

Lesley Logan 30:22  

I'm gonna call you out, I need you to either email or DM or if you have our phone number, whatever means of ways (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 30:33  

Chat to us.

Lesley Logan 30:34  

Whatever, we want to know so we can actually continue to provide guests that you want to hear from but also we continue make this podcast better because holy fucking moly episode 300. Thank you so much for being here. Have an amazing day. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 30:48  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 30:50  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 31:18  

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Brad Crowell 31:21  

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Lesley Logan 31:26  

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Brad Crowell 31:30  

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Lesley Logan 31:37  

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Brad Crowell 31:42  

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Episode guest, Tamika Robinson, dives deep into her journey as a personal trainer helping women achieve their fitness aspirations. Tamika, a fitness expert and entrepreneur, unveils her strategies for elevating earnings and overcoming financial hurdles. Tune in to discover her relatable story and gain actionable advice on career transitions and achieving financial success.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Tamika’s transformative path to a career in personal training.
• Tamika's methods and behavioral science in fitness routines.
• How to foster self-belief and empower women in their fitness journey.
• Learn the impact of celebrating every small win.
• Understand strategies for achieving financial stability during a career shift.

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Tamika Robinson is a dedicated wife, entrepreneur, and professional bodybuilder. As the CEO of JARFIT, she leads a personal training company that specializes in customized training, nutrition, and health programs designed to transform both physique and life. A certified personal trainer, nutrition coach, and professional bodybuilder, Tamika is passionate about helping women prioritize their fitness, empowering them to become their own body goals.

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Tamika Robinson 0:00  

Really hard for me to have the degrees that I had and then not have the career. So I had to unwire my brain and be like personal training is a career. It's not like, it's not a hobby, you get paid to do it. It's not like you can make this a full-time thing. But it was very hard for me to see that and on wiring my brain and dealing with that I was like, Oh, I had this person's voice in my head telling me it's not good enough because you have degrees you need to go get a salary, position or career, whatever that is. So that was really hard for me to deal with for a while.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:28  

Hey, loves. Today, I have a really fabulous fun guest. First of all, she makes me smile from ear to ear, I just met her. So that's really amazing. I think you're gonna really enjoy hearing her share her true journey of like getting to where she is. I also love the nonlinear road her life has taken because we cannot hear enough how many people have gone to a road less traveled, have gone a road that's very traveled, but not the, they didn't have the same starting point as other people. And her honesty and vulnerability is just really amazing. And I hope it inspires you. And I hope it I also believe that like wherever you are in your journey, you can see yourself in her story. I am so inspired by how she truly figured out a way to pay herself while doing a new job while working a nine-to-five and she how she came up with that she shares a great book that I think is really fun. So we take a lot of different chapters in this conversation that just one, I hope you feel like you're part of it. And like your (inaudible) in your car, on your run that you're like joining on this conversation to help you see yourself in it. You know, we all are on a journey. There's no perfect way. And it's all about turning ourselves on and celebrating those wins along the way. So she does that with her clients. She was with herself. And I really enjoyed her Be It Action Items because I think, I think that you're going to be surprised and also I think you can actually do them in the next week for sure. Especially well, maybe number one is going to depend on where you are in your life. But number two you could do today. So without further ado, here is Tamika Robinson. 

Lesley Logan 3:06  

All right, Be It Babe. I'm really excited. I love when I love when people I get to meet new people in general anyways, but especially when they come from people that I love on this planet. Y'all remember James Patrick, he was on that podcast, many moons ago. And he just gave us so many amazing tips on how to set our goals. And he introduced me to this amazing woman we're talking to today, Tamika Robinson. And so I'm just so grateful to have this shining light in your ears. And if you're watching on YouTube, today Tamika, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Tamika Robinson 3:37  

Yeah, um, well, first of all, thank you for having me Lesley. I'm so appreciative. I'm so glad to be here. But I am Tamika Robinson, I am an entrepreneur. Basically my business is Jar Fit. I'm a personal trainer, and I help busy badass women achieve their dream body hit their goals and have everything they want.

Lesley Logan 4:02  

So, okay, I love this. I love like, you're so passionate in what you do. How did you get started though? Because I think you know, like what a dream job that is. But like, it's not like you wake up one day and snap your fingers and it happens. So like how did we get here?

Tamika Robinson 4:17  

Oh my gosh, um, I love this question. Actually. It's a funny story. I had never planned on being an entrepreneur like ever. My whole goal was like, go to school, get a master's degree, get a nine-to-five, call it a day. Obviously that is not how it went.

Lesley Logan 4:42  

Well I did that. I didn't go to the master's degree, but I did the thing and I got the nine-to-five and like I was like, this is really unsatisfying.

Tamika Robinson 4:51  

I didn't even get into my nine-to-five so I can't even say like if it was gonna be good or not.

Tamika Robinson 5:00  

So I went to school, got a degree in behavioral sciences. Then I continued on and got my master's in criminology, and I applied for the FBI three times.

Lesley Logan 5:14  

What? That's crazy.

Tamika Robinson 5:17  

It's nuts. And now later in life, I feel I figured out that it is not what you know, it's who you know, and I had no connects. So, obviously, I did not get the job. And I pivoted ultimately, I knew that one of my like life goals was I was going to be a coach of some kind. Whether that was gymnastics, sport that I did, track, another sport that I did, or cheerleading. And it just so happened that I have a super cool opportunity upon leaving college to go run for the trial, the time trials in the Olympics. I got hurt. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 6:03  

Oh, my God. Yeah. Are you kidding me? You could, like, I mean, you got hurt, but like, even the opportunity to try out for the Olympic team, like, that's such a small percentage of people who ever even because it's like, your timing of your strength had to be at the exact same time as like, when they're actually doing the trials, which only happens every four years. Are you kidding?

Tamika Robinson 6:26  

No. So cool. Um, I would have had dual citizenship. And you lightly I'm Puerto Rican. So I was gonna run for the Puerto Rican team.

Lesley Logan 6:39  

Even better.

Tamika Robinson 6:42  

Go (inaudible) in Puerto Rico. 

Lesley Logan 6:44  

Yeah, you represent (inaudible).

Tamika Robinson 6:49  

But obviously, I got hurt. And I took a year off to try to recover. And I ended up hiring a trainer and she was awesome for the time being. And we were getting back in kind of my groove. And she was like, oh, I think you should do this show. And I was like, What's a show? I ended up doing a bodybuilding show because Oh, my God, all the sparkles.

Lesley Logan 7:14  

All the sparkles. And also, like, I have so many friends who've done those. And I had a trainer who also was like, You should do this. And I was like, I can't do that. Like you know, I actually really none of that food looks good. I want sauce on my chicken. I want butter

Lesley Logan 7:37  

I love milk in my coffee. There's just too many things.

Tamika Robinson 7:42  

Skim milk. It's fine.

Lesley Logan 7:47  

So you did a show, you the sparkles, do the high heels? Did you have to do the PAM?

Tamika Robinson 7:52  

Oh no. They have people who already who had glaze ready. But I have heard of that trick. And I love it because it smells like butter.

Lesley Logan 8:04  

That sounds like torture to every person there. 

Tamika Robinson 8:07  

Oh boy, like, I smell popcorn. Yeah, so I ended up doing the show. Had a blast. And then ultimately, I met my husband and he's like, I think you should like, I think we should do this. And I was like, Oh, okay. very hesitant. I was like, I've never trained anybody. Like, I don't know.

Lesley Logan 8:30  

Was he a trainer? Like, did he? 

Tamika Robinson 8:32  

He was a trainer. 

Lesley Logan 8:33  

So that's why you guys could like do this together.

Tamika Robinson 8:35  

Yes. Yep. So my husband was a trainer or what? He became my coach first. And then he was like, Oh, you've got what it takes. Let's, let's do this together. And I was like, oh, okay, so we brought me on. As his partner, I ended up getting my certification through the renown, National Council of Strength and Fitness. And I got my first client and it was a blast. And then I was like, Ah, I think that I can do this. There was a lot of like moments in between I was like, I can't do this. But I think that I can.

Lesley Logan 9:09  

Thank you for sharing that. I think that's so important. First of all want to highlight like how nonlinear any of that was, like you I don't even actually know how you did gymnastics and track and all the things so I became a behavior science person and then doing criminology like it sounds like lots of reading and then somehow like it may be running at three in the morning unclear like so I also love that along the way you allowed people to inspire you to try out something that you probably that wasn't like on the plan. Like it wasn't on the plan. And maybe because like the entire plan blew up and like wasn't happening. So you're like, Okay, I'll try this anything but like, I think that's really cool that you could listen to other people around you and try those things on. So how long how long ago did you start training people on like, what have you been able to use your like behavior science degree in that way to like help people stick to their goals are like, is it all been? Like, they were like that was my life, then I came up with some new stuff because that didn't work out.

Tamika Robinson 10:08  

So it was it was very messy.

Lesley Logan 10:12  

Great. We love that. Thank you for sharing. Everybody here needs to hear how messy it is. Yes.

Tamika Robinson 10:18  

It's very messy. It was very stressful. I did, I haven't. I haven't gotten to use all of the things that I've learned. I wish. Luckily, none of my clients are like killers or anything. So I'm, I think I'm good. It's probably a good thing that I dealt with. But yeah, I've gotten to use some of my Behavioral Science degree in how I help women shape like, like, their goals and how they see themselves ultimately, because most of my women clients are. I mean, they're just amazing in general, I feel, but they don't see themselves the way that I see them. So it's done a lot of like, reframing how they see themselves and then building up their bodies. And, I mean, obviously, like that is a key in itself, because they see themselves changing and see themselves growing and getting stronger. And, I mean, that just builds confidence. And then they can start to see and accept all the things that I have to say about them without being like, oh my god, no.

Lesley Logan 11:34  

Yeah, I love that you share that. I think it's really fascinating. I have a friend who will have her on the pod soon. She is a stylist and she is like, you know, she works with a lot of women of all sizes. And specifically she got into styling, with women with with larger bodies. And she says, she says it's what's amazing is when you actually feel like you look good. The changes you make in your life are very different, like so when you reframe how you talk about yourself, how you face yourself, it actually does change how you show up for your workouts, how you show up in your life. And these, these changes can be made much faster, because you feel good about yourself, and you're not talking negatively and judging yourself. And then like, you know, basically making it harder on yourself to feel the way you want to feel. 

Tamika Robinson 12:20  

It's so true. Yeah, it's not a constant battle, in your mind anymore. It's not like, oh my god, I can't do this. I can't do this. It's it's more like, oh, hey, but you can you've done this already. And so it's no longer shifted so negatively. It's more like, Okay, well, maybe I can try. I've done this, I can do that. So I think it's just incredible to see that change. I would die to see the stylist and like how those women oh my god, I can only imagine how they feel. That's a (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 12:58  

I know. We'll have to connect you. I'll connect you guys because I think it's it's, it's so I went over in here's her story level here how she got there. But like, it's actually really incredible. Growing up, because I had family members who are larger bodies, and the way they would dress is like, like, just hide everything and just put everything you know, and like don't show up or anything. And she's like, actually, if you highlight this, then you you know, like it actually looks really good. And like you've beautiful figure and it would be the frame. And then because they feel good, and they show up smiling and they like have this confidence, it changes how they show up in every other way. And I know like working with, with women, mostly myself as a Pilates instructor. Some of the things women say, but I can't do that. And then like they'll talk about how they are in their day. And I'm like, you know, I just want you to know, you said you can't do a lot of things about seven times the last 15 minutes. I'm just going to point out that we've been doing all these things in here. You've been doing all these things. You're killing it. You're very capable.

Tamika Robinson 13:54  

You're doing it right now.

Lesley Logan 13:55  

Yes. Oh, yes. Okay, so I have this girl. She, she's in one of my mentorship groups. And she's like, Oh, I can't lift my legs up from the ground because it bothers my back. And I'm like, Okay, no problem. Like, that's fine. You know, there's other ways you can strengthen that. And then so we like every exercise. We're like modifying how low her legs go everything. Then I just tell her okay, do your teaser and she gets into the teaser on the reformer and people who are Pilates instructors know teaser and the reformer, you actually start in a backbend you actually start like legs are lower than parallel to the floor. And then you lift them up and she did it and I was like, so just to point out that you just did it. You just lifted your did it bother your back? No. Okay, so we can do it. We just have a block against doing it here. So what are some things that you tell women to do to kind of like understand, like, how are you showing them that they can do certain things? What's your kind of way of doing that?

Tamika Robinson 14:57  

You can do it.

Lesley Logan 14:58  

Oh, well, you are so sweet and adorable. I think a lot of people would just do what you say. 

Tamika Robinson 15:03  

But literally is that so I have this one client, I love her. She tells me about her mom all the time and her like, her mom is older and complains about like her back and her knees or hips. And she's like, I don't want to be like my mom. I'll say. So Marina, we will. So one day we were deadlifting. And I put on so I put on some weight. I was like, oh, because we had been doing weight, like little weights for a bit. And I was like, you can you can handle this. And she looked at it and was like, I don't know, I don't think so I was like, Okay, let's just try five. If we can do five, I'll let you we'll be done, we'll be done. She ended up doing 10 for three whole other sets. I'm like, Well, you did 30. He's like, Oh my God, it felt so good. Like, it was a little heavy, a little challenging as a camper when you did it. I was like, I know that you could do this. Because ultimately, a I'm not a math person. So thank God, I only have to count to like 20. But I was I broke down the math as like, in the previous exercises we've been doing, we've looked at we've done this way for this many reps and multiply that and I was like, that's the volume that you're lifting. I was like we're doing half of that right now. And you're doing it. And it's like less weight. Well, it was less volume, but it was a little higher in way. You did it. And she was like, Oh my god. So now she's like, oh, let's add, like, we're going up in increments and things she's like, let's have like a look like five more pounds. Can we do that? And like, Yeah, let's go get the two now. So it's like, progress is progress, no matter what. One percent is one percent every day and at the end of the year it's 365%. That's better than this many percents.

Lesley Logan 16:54  

Oh my god. Oh my god. So I fucking love that. I think first of all, it's so important that when the when we are if we are a cheerleader for anyone in our life that we actually show up when we that cheerleader and like stop them when they think they can't do something because we know that they've done it before. I think it's so easy for some of us to go, okay, they don't want to do it. So I'm pushing them. And it's not it's not about pushing in a negative way. It's about pushing them up in a positive way like you like you can do this. And, you know, I know, like, there's a there's a woman that we work out with. And you know, she has never lifted heavy weights before. And she couldn't come to one of the regular, like, hit classes that we do. So she came to the barbell training. And I was so excited to see like, usually it was like my dad, my husband and I and I'm like, and, and I like I didn't want to be the only other girl and like my trainer is always like, okay, you can do this. And I'm I've never had strong arms like I've just never say like, oh, I'm pushing the fucking bar. And I'm like, This is the hardest thing I've ever done, right? She comes in. And she deadlifts for her first time in her life with his barbell. And it's like she's picking up like, a bag of groceries. It was like so easy for her. And she was like, so we put on more weight and we throw it and I'm watching this and because I got to watch her do it, first of all, she'd never done it. So she's just like, blowing her own mind. But I was like, Oh, my God look it was so possible. And I think like so often we of course we don't want to hurt anybody. But we also need to understand that like if you're actually preparing yourself for this, whether it's if you're like ladies, I don't even weight-lift, What are y'all talking about? Whether it's weightlifting, or learning a new language or learning how to do your finances, you have got to celebrate what you have done. And you have to like journal about it, like, write it down, like take notes, because then you have evidence that you've done shit. And like you can do this other thing over here. If you walk your dog for an hour every day, you can do a half-hour hike with someone.

Lesley Logan 17:04  

Exactly, I absolutely love that. I think it's just being positive and doing it in a way that doesn't feel so overwhelmingly scary, like enjoying the process because she had been like, she's been working out. Someone else has been working out like you've been doing it now. It's just trying to like, push yourself a little bit more. And it's just positive reinforcement. And I love that and it works for me because I'm an ex cheerleader. So I'm like, Yeah, let's go. You got this. So, to hype you up.

Lesley Logan 19:26  

Yeah, I mean, like, so what are some other things people can do for like, positive reinforcement, like is always just words, are there other things people can do for positive reinforcement?

Tamika Robinson 19:34  

Um, so I think it's, I think you can do a lot of things I love. I love words. My love language is words of affirmation.

Lesley Logan 19:47  

Tell me I'm pretty and like, Give me a hug and I'm like, the best day of my life.

Tamika Robinson 19:50  

I feel great. But yeah, small action. So like, like, I recorded her deadlifting and I sent him Senator husband, he was like, oh my god, I'm so excited. So that was also what like, yeah, it's small, like actions that literally like you can do five seconds. Like, you know if it is a recording if it is, and I love what you said journaling, that's my favorite thing. Journaling about it and how you felt about it. A quick video to tell yourself like, No, you crushed this, I did it and like, I feel great, like flex and layer. Well, I mean, you know, whatever you need to do in the video just to like remind yourself that you did it. That's what I think.

Lesley Logan 20:39  

I love that you filmed them. I think like there's evidence of some kind that you did something that's so important. Because are we it's so easy to forget the good things that we've done. It's so like, it's like anybody can remember a bad memory, like a thing that they fucked up yesterday. But like, one of the things I do here every week is like, share, it's on Fridays. We do, FYF, it's Fuck Yeah Friday, and I share listener wins, wins for my community, and then I share one of my own. And what's so fun is that like, make it forces me every week, I'm like having to write down the wins that are happening to the week so that I have something because even as a positive person it can be. It's so easy when things get really tough to really recognize that there were positive things that happened in the week. And that's why the whole episode exists. Because it's like sometimes people think they wait till they've completed a thing. So like, for example, they wait until they could they dead lifted their goal weight to celebrate any of the deadlift. And it's like, actually, you should just celebrate you showed up today. That's pretty big deal. If life is hard right now, and he still showed up for the thing that you wanted to do. It's pretty amazing.

Tamika Robinson 21:43  

I love that and I love that because I think that people take for granted the small things you did show up. You you warmed up you got ready you you know you started the day, like small wins are small, like they're still wins, no matter what it looks like. Like if you did just show up to the gym and you crushed it. Great. And I think that they should be celebrated way before then because you have to do the work to go deadlift your bodyweight like what the hell Hell yeah, you did that. You worked and took all this time in the last six weeks to like build up your deadlift. And now you squatted your whole body weight. Congratulations on that. But it took work every day to get it.

Lesley Logan 22:30  

Yeah, I was even thinking like, like, like just celebrating that you got you got in your car. You remembered your gym clothes, like you. You got you dealt with the parking lot. You know, like these are all wins, everyone like on a hard day. It's a win that you like gotten to you got there and you maybe only flipped off one person on the way and like you just got there. So I want to go back to like you becoming a trainer and like making this your thing. So how easy was it for you to make this a full-time gig for yourself? Were you was there a part of your life where you were like doing another job and training? Like how did you make this a thing? Because I think a lot of people try to switch over into a new career. That switch can be really difficult. How did you do it? 

Tamika Robinson 23:15  

My God. I love that. Yeah, so it was very hard. I don't consider myself like very salesy. Like, oh, hey, yeah, maybe you want to work with me? Maybe not. That's okay. Like, I'm not gonna go petition, I guess. But I've gotten better at it. So I feel very proud. But when I got started, I was I was training in the evening hours and then working a job in the daytime. Trying to like build up the clientele but like still making enough money so that way I can take care of like my day-to-day life. I couldn't live off of what I was doing for a while. So I was like, Okay, well, this just has to be it until I like figure out if this is like, a. what I really want to do. Because that was really, it was it was really I'ma go off on a tangent it was really hard for me to have the degrees that I had and then not have the career. So I had to onwire my brain and be like personal training as a career is it's not like, it's not a hobby, you get paid to do it. It's not like you can make this a full-time thing. But it was very hard for me to see that and on wiring my brain and dealing with that. I was like, Oh, I had this person's voice in my head telling me it's not good enough because you have degrees you need to go get a salary, position, a career, whatever that is. So that was really hard for me to deal with for a while and I was like, I don't know. So like every other week, I was like, I got a new client. That's great. But like, it's still not enough. Like, what am I going to do? And I'm still working. So I still have money coming in. I was like, Oh, I don't know. Like, I just I just don't see this, like, getting out the way learning paths and like, I like it should actually be like crushing it right now. And no, that's not. That's a fallacy.

Lesley Logan 25:24  

Isn't it? So funny. The stories we tell ourselves, I just want to say I love that you went off on the tangent, because I do know, what I do know many people are will have the degrees, because they did the thing. Especially I suppose with my elder millennials, we did the thing. We followed all the paths everyone said would give us the money and like none of us can buy a house. No. There's a whole generation of people out there who like did the thing that their parents that would like make it happen. And then you yeah, change your whole life? And then you don't, you have the degrees and you've got the cap and gown. And you know, I don't have I actually only my friends who are lawyers are the ones that are actually the ones using their degree. All of my other friends. Their degrees are in the most random they we met someone the other day who's like, head of like a gaming thing and he has a degree in history. And we're like, oh, you can't do that. Now. He's like you, you can't do that now. But like, back when I got into it, you cut and like so it's so funny, because we all think like, oh my god, like I remember when I I remember when someone said you should become a Pilates instructor, I remember thinking I can do that because I had this degree that was not in Pilates, not in fitness. And like, I was like I can I can go do that. And then like, what does that mean? And then I found myself not even telling people what my degree was so much so that my husband only found out in the last 30 days. We've been married for almost eight years. And he's like, somebody asked me what my degree was. And I told them and he's like, Yeah, that's what your degree is.

Tamika Robinson 27:02  

So what is it in? 

Lesley Logan 27:06  

Oh, it's an interpersonal organizational and business communication. So like how? Yeah, so it's why I can be a business coach as a business degree. But like, I don't think anyone ever knew that. You know, but like, I remember thinking like, Oh, my God, I spent $80,000 on this degree. Yeah. Hmm. I know, like, everyone just like stomach drops. And I mean, I only had to pay for 45 of it because of scholarships. And, you know, but that was 45,000 in student loans, babes. Yeah, so it still hurt to like, I remember, like, having to unravel that. And that, that. That That wasn't my career, because I and then I remember leaving my real job and air quotes that nine to five job, and like, finding myself having to like not go like not go I'm just a Pilates instructor. Like as if that's not a job. Do you know, like, and, you know, so? So but then I was like, wait a minute, I'm especially when I was like making six fucking figures being a Pilates instructor. I'm like, What should I do? Yeah, so it's really I do understand having to like, figure out how your brain mentally understands, like, what your what you want to do is very valid. And it's actually a career and it's not like you didn't take some sort of, like route that's not legitimate, you know, and then also having to, to figure out the actual like, what are my expectations like it like it even like celebrating that you have a client and understand that that doesn't mean you like you get to leave your job yet?

Tamika Robinson 28:43  

Oh, yeah, I am once what. Oh, that's great. How much am I making.

Lesley Logan 28:48  

So so how, right, how much am I making, hence why everyone needs to get my magic calculator in charge of fucking worth because you do not want to be working 20 hours on as a side job for half the pay that you would actually charge to make it as a full-time job. Anyways, that's a different tangent. So okay, so how did you? So obviously, you're working this full-time job and you're training? What was the like, how are you telling, like setting yourself up to be a full-time trainer? Was there any actions that you were doing to like, kind of set yourself up for that full-time gig?

Tamika Robinson 29:21  

I'm setting myself up. I was okay. I calculated what it costs to be me to live my life.

Lesley Logan 29:30  

Yes. Yes, you guys write that down.

Tamika Robinson 29:33  

So if you are planning on serving your side hustle or leaving a full-time job, know what it is that you need to make it so you can leave and not be stressed out so you can continue your day to day seamlessly, which is nice. So I did that. And then I was like, okay, so if I'm charging clients this it's going to take me this many clients. Alright, so ultimately, I went out and got clients I like put my one client in the show and it was like, I'm snapping all the pics and I was letting everyone know, hey, I'm a trainer now I got certified, I'm ready to go. Like if you're ready to work with me, I started I started out a little messy and I started charging like, not below, but I was like, I'm really in a special. Yeah, yeah. So but I could get people in the door. At least, it worked. So that was nice. I was like, oh, man, now I'm working for like a little less than I want it. But it was okay. I got people in I started having or not having I started building my repertoire, shaping everyone getting results and showing those house posting like crazy telling friends and I had my clients telling friends and I was like, oh, yeah, perfect. And then slowly, but surely. It started to grow. And then when I turned pro in bodybuilding, then it kind of like exploded from there. Like, I don't know, like, why do people want to like train with me right now. But as soon as that happened, it changed the whole thing.

Lesley Logan 31:20  

It changed how you had confidence in yourself.

Tamika Robinson 31:23  

Yeah, it changed my confidence. And then it showed that like, oh, okay, well, she can at her and her coach know what they're doing. So let I'm gonna go that way. Like, oh, I can win a national show. You can win a national show. Yeah. All right. kind of helped. Yeah, not everybody can do that. But you know, it's a it's a good dream to sell.

Lesley Logan 31:42  

Yeah. But also like I, you know, I do believe that you do have to do some work to whatever your industry is. You You don't, I don't and I don't want to say this. Like, I don't believe they have to do every single Pilates exercise to be a Pilates teacher but you do have to apply his practice to do that. I don't believe you have to win a national title. But you do have to have enough competitions under your belt and have achieved some part of that to show like, I do know what it takes to get there on that stage. I do know the mentality. I do know those things. So I I do believe that like part of it is time and preparation. Yeah, yeah. 

Tamika Robinson 32:20  

Lots of time on being it. So as soon as that happen, then clients started rolling in and I love that, like my clientele is pretty mixed. So it's not all bodybuilding. That would be a little bit nightmarish.

Lesley Logan 32:39  

Yeah, have a balance. You gotta have people who also just want to do a regular life.

Tamika Robinson 32:44  

Oh, this is easy. Yeah, let's go.

Lesley Logan 32:48  

Yeah, yeah,

Tamika Robinson 32:49  

I like my lifestyle cleanse in a lower body building plans and the bodybuilding brings in the lifestyle. They're like, Oh, they can do that. We can do this. Like yeah, it just it just worked out really well.

Lesley Logan 33:00  

That's so fun. Oh my god, I love that so much. Okay. Before we take a break I read that you would pretend to pay yourself $10,000 a month? Yes. Can you tell people why you did that? And how you did that? Because that is like such a being until you see it moment. I just needed to share it.

Tamika Robinson 33:22  

Okay, so I actually stole the idea from this book that I read. And it's called Oh hold on. No worries. I had it ready. I think it's Secrets of Six Figure Women Oh, oh my god. No. Okay, sorry, it's ok, but she did write another book called that.

Lesley Logan 33:47  

Same person different book. Got it.

Tamika Robinson 33:50  

That book was great. It was called Overcoming Underearning by Barbara Stanny.

Lesley Logan 33:56  

Oh everybody put that on your book. I'm gonna get my audible my next Audible is going to be this not that I have this problem but I want to help everyone who does.

Tamika Robinson 34:07  

It was a psychology book about money essentially and like and then she compiled all these cool stories from all these amazing women that like were doing whatever they wanted and making five-six figures and how they overcame underearning and I realized I had a money psychology problem because I wanted I just wanted to be like even keel, comfy, cozy. I don't need extravagant things my dream car is like a Honda Accord.

Lesley Logan 34:39  

I wish I wish my dream car's a G Wagen everyone knows like everybody sees a G Wagen on there like someday that's going to be L's car and I'm like it is it is I'm playing 90s Rap and I'm gonna be like and it also is going to be like this I had to pick color picked out because I wanted to be like it's almost like that teal you paint on your toes like It's like that like Barbie teal. And I want like that because I want everyone to know when I I'm dry. I want people to go oh, there's Lesley like that. Like, I don't want people guessing I want them to go. That's her. She's right. That's what I want. When my car is parked on the go, Oh, she's having dinner there. Yes, I want everyone to know.

Tamika Robinson 35:16  

(inaudible)

Lesley Logan 35:16  

Exactly. That's exactly what I want. So I do understand so many people, especially women raise like, it's okay, I have enough. Yeah. You know, and it's like, it's, and that's fine. And not no one is saying, and I don't even think this person Barbara is saying you have to everybody wants to needs to make six figures or needs to want to make a million dollars. But I do think like, we all need to make sure that we're not under charging ourselves, or accepting being underpaid for our talented skills.

Tamika Robinson 35:46  

Exactly. And it was such an eye-opener. I was like, Oh my God, I didn't realize how growing up in me didn't have anything. Nothing was terrible or anything. I do know that there was money stress around me. I felt it on my mom's side, my dad and my stepmom side. So I got it from both households. It just was more apparent in one and it rubbed off. And I didn't realize so in reading this book, and like reading all the amazing stories. There was a chapter essentially, that ultimately was like, oh, like, you're gonna like, place higher value on you like, you deserve it. Why not? Basically, I was like, Oh, yeah. Okay, I'm feeling this a little bit. And one of the stories in the book or in the chapter was like, Yeah, I decided I was done under earning. And I wrote myself 1000 or $10,000 check every month. Just like I couldn't cash it yet. But like, yeah, got that. Not cash for that yet. But like, I'm gonna do $10,000 until it's reality, so she wouldn't write herself a check every month. $10,000, 10,000. And eventually it became reality. And she was like, Oh, when I hit my first 10,000 I was so excited. Just like, she started increasing our goal slowly. Like she was like, Yeah, I was like, Oh my God, I'll say, I'm gonna do this. So I had a bunch of Monopoly money. Okay, I should do check, but I don't know how to write those. 

Lesley Logan 37:41  

I was just thinking like, how would I do this? Do we even have a checkbook in the house?

Tamika Robinson 37:47  

Where does my name go? I used Monopoly money instead. It's much easier. (inaudible) Yeah, totally put it in my little money folder. Boop. And when tuck it away, look at it. Figure out like what I'm doing calculate all my clients figure out what I'm paying in rent, what I need and all this stuff. So like, Okay, this way I want to be this where I'm at right now. How do we meet in the middle and then strategize a plan and when I made my first 10k month like, I was like, oh my god I can I can do this like what I want now it's just like working at a maintaining it because training is kind of hard. Yeah, people told me off and on but that's fine.

Lesley Logan 38:36  

You always need more people coming in. It's the same in my industry. Yes. And it's and then you know, it's also fine you get to where those like those ebbs and flows and you know, what months are going to be slower and which months are busier. That just takes time. But also like the fact that you're like, oh my god, I fucking just like paid myself $10,000 So it is possible and yeah, I just now it's like I can repeat if I can. If it's past I can repeat it.

Tamika Robinson 39:01  

Yeah, I can do it again. And I know what it takes. So I know that I need to be working this many hours a week, which I mean, that was kind of a lot but it was fine. But like knowing like how to do it, what needs to happen to do it having like a plan and a strategy in place to do it and making sure that like my numbers are good even though I have x y z coming out. Rent and gym rent and all those things that it costs. It sounds like okay, well, I can make this work so I think it's just a fun a fun way to like visualize it then like actually put so much like, behind it.

Lesley Logan 39:45  

Yeah, I love visualization and I love an action step even if it's you can't cash cheque yet you got the Monopoly money like here's my I just gave myself 10 grand.

Tamika Robinson 39:54  

Put all that in the bank, well under the mattress bank.

Lesley Logan 39:57  

Yeah. Imagine someone robbed in. Like money and it's all in the house (inaudible). Why is there so much monopoly money? Oh my god, you're so funny. To me. This is the best conversation. I'm really loving it. We're gonna take a brief break. And then we're gonna find out your Be It Action items. 

Lesley Logan 40:17  

All right, first of all, before we get your action items, where do you hang out? Where can people find you, follow you, work with you.

Tamika Robinson 40:25  

Um, I hang out on Instagram. It's technically my favorite.

Lesley Logan 40:29  

Same, I just, I mean, I hate it and love it. But it's I know, it just feels like this is an old home.

Tamika Robinson 40:37  

Right? I really want to try TikTok. I'm just I just (inaudible). Yeah. So I'm on Instagram at the figure princess. Because I'm an IFBB figure Pro. And a princess at heart. And you can work with me through jarfit.com W-W-W-J-A-R-F-I-T dot com. And that's where I am at.

Lesley Logan 41:05  

Love it. Okay. So bold, executable, targeted intrinsic steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Tamika Robinson 41:16  

I have if you're stressed-out cry. It's okay.

Lesley Logan 41:24  

Fucking love that. Yes. Yes. Just feel your feelings, guys.

Tamika Robinson 41:27  

Feel your feelings. Crying is perfectly acceptable. It is stressful doing whatever it is that you want to do. If that is quitting the nine-to-five and starting your own business, if it's, you know, trying to be a better mom. It's okay to cry. It's, you know, something of that nature. And it's overwhelming and you feel it and it's heavy. Like it's okay, let it all out, you'll feel much better I promise. And then create an action step for yourself, I guess is whatever's going to help motivate you to do what you need to do. I'm a big fan of list. I love journaling. So, I mean, write a to do list but write a to do list. I saw that someone else put this but I want you to write like 100 things on your to do list, right? Oh, yeah, no, I have a whole thing. Okay, I'm ready. I'm in. Um, so 100 things on your to do list. And then after five cross everything out.

Lesley Logan 42:35  

So we got all of it out of your brain, and we knocked it down to the first five are the ones you got to do.

Tamika Robinson 42:41  

The first five are the ones you gotta do focus on those, because everything else that you want to do after that will be there. Those are your five priorities. Get the shit done. You got this, whatever that looks like. Everything else can wait. Those are your top five. Those are what came out first. Focus on those.

Lesley Logan 42:58  

Oh, I'm loving both these things. I think this is great. I'm in I'm so in. Tamika, you're so fabulous. I hope I get to run into you in real life. I would when I'm in Colorado, you're in Colorado, right? Colorado. Awesome. When we're in Colorado, I'll work out with you. I'm not gonna bodybuild like figure competition because I can't do heels. But I will deadlift with you. And everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life or your favorite takeaways with Tamika, tag the Figure Princess and the Be It pod. We'll put all those links in the show notes below. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 43:39  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 44:08  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 44:12  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 44:17  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 44:20  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 44:27  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 44:33  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley recounts her victories in decluttering and the profound effects it has on personal growth. She blends stories from her life with those of her listeners, showcasing the transformative power of embracing change and making room for new things.

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In this episode you will learn about:

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• The power of positive feedback in client bookings.
• The impact of clearing clutter. 
• How to embrace the different seasons. 

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• Mentions, Joanne Sutton
• Mentions, Selena Lowe

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Alright, hello, welcome to Friday. It's a mini, quick, inspo day. This moment where we just go and know oh my god, less than a 10-minute podcast, remind me that things are awesome. There are wins out there. And if there are wins happening for other people, there can be wins for you. It's just how it goes. It's really how it goes. Our brain is in search of things that prove our thoughts correctly. And when you start thinking about winning as possible, you start to see other wins in your life. And so here are some wins from you guys, and then a win of mine and then a little affirmation for you to repeat to yourself today. 

Lesley Logan 1:21  

So Joanne Sutton, she's an Agency member. And she wrote, "My client who found me on Google in April is now officially pain free as of the last four weeks, and it's all been done virtually. She is so happy and it looks like a different person. She really is my ideal client and keeps a log of all of her practice sessions following my on-demand videos, and then has fortnightly or every three weeks sessions with me so I can answer any questions fine-tune what she is doing, and progress to the next level. I'm so happy for her and love working with clients like her." I mean, Joanne how frickin amazing is that? Pain free. Oh my goodness, it feels so good. Okay, she also continues, "I have a new client who loved her first virtual sessions working through my on-demand videos too. I'm almost halfway through editing my book and come up with ideas for lead generations for my book and a client of 12 years pre-COVID has finally reached out to me to do a virtual lessons, which is so great." Oh, I love that first of all, can be so icky when somebody like who has been with you for a long time like decides they don't want to continue because maybe you changed how you offer your services. But look, they come back because they remember how good you make them feel. So important you all whether you are a teacher or something else if like if you are in the service of making people feel good people remember that and they come back around in their own time. We can't force them right we can't micromanage that but also Joanne is one of our Agents members who is writing a book we actually have three so one's published and then two are in the route there so congrats Joanne to all of that I'm so excited for your pain free fitness to get out there. 

Lesley Logan 2:52  

Our other win is Selena Lo she's also an Agency member and she wrote, "Super happy with how my Pilates Mat classes are going. I covered these over the summer and now teach them full time. I have had great feedback from the clients and two have booked for all three classes for the rest of the month so they don't lose their space. One of these is a new to Pilates, ended our first class with him on Wednesday, came back today and now I seem to have a committed client who's fallen in love with Pilates." Isn't that just so nice, it's so nice when like you teach a class and people go oh my god I need this in my life I'm gonna schedule my life around you. There are people out there who just want to feel good and when you show up and you love what you're doing and you're competent in what you're doing it's like a magnet for that. So way to go Selena I'm so happy for you. And I know you're starting your other training program right now as we speak So congratulations on that big goal happening because I know you've been having your eye on it for over a year. So now you can send your wins in, I want you to I want to celebrate your wins. I want to shout them out. I want to help other people see what is possible for a win in your life. 

Lesley Logan 3:56  

My win, you ready for this? This is like gonna blow your mind and this is a win because it is. I cleared up my closet I sold my peloton I'm creating space. Yes, I did. I have been wanting to clean up my closet for since 2020 and I would go through and like get rid of a couple of things here and there and like it felt like a lot you know it felt like it was space but I recently had a stylist go I think you could probably do a harsh edit on these clothes and I was looking at them and I was like she's frickin right so I went through it anything was fall and winter I just that I was like I have more than this. And it leads to falls and winters I'm pulling it out. And you could oh my gosh, I think you can like I think have less clothes than Brad does hanging up. So, so excited about that. And I sold my peloton, not because I don't love, love it but it's actually not great for my knee. And I have been really wanting to kind of have a place to like sit and read in my office and I was thinking about that and then this chair that I've been eyeing came up into my feed from a neighbor and I was like oh my god, but I have this peloton and I was like I'm not using the peloton because it hurts my knee. So I sell the peloton. For the price of the chair, boom, I'm creating space. It's a win, you guys, you cleaning out your closet, it's a win creating space in your life to let other things in, those are wins and we can't think of them as chores or to do list we have to think of them as like actions that are actually taking us to the next level in our life. And so, I'm so happy about that. I'll be in another closet edit in the new year for the spring stuff and selling and donating that stuff. So stay tuned for that win

Lesley Logan 4:18  

Okay, so because you guys like them, here we go. Your affirmation to repeat, journal, think about, contemplate. It's like pulling a tarot card. I respect the cycle of the seasons. I respect the cycle of the seasons. You guys I know that like no one likes a winter. Everyone wants the summer to stand forever. But the world, the Earth, it has cycles for a reason. It actually is so great for the plants. It's so great for the soil. It's so great for you. So respect the cycle of the seasons and it's okay, as we're going into the winter season for those in the northern hemisphere to like do wintery things, have hot foods, curl up and like contemplate, right? Hibernate. For those in the southern hemisphere who are like working into your summer. Oh my god, enjoy the heck out of it right? And respect the cycle of the seasons. Journal about that. How are you going to respect the cycle of the seasons where you are, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:24  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 6:52  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 6:55  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:00  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 7:04  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:11  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 7:16  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad and Lesley emphasize the importance of practice in building confidence. Drawing from Ryan Lindner's experience, they discuss how competence doesn't come from waiting but from taking action. They highlight the value of practicing in various situations to become more comfortable with who you are.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why impostor syndrome can hold you back from taking action.
• The importance of setting boundaries for self-growth.
• The value of clarity in relationships from the start.
• How to build confidence through practice.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

I think it's important for us to revisit impostor syndrome because it just keeps showing itself up as ugly. Just like thorn in your side and it's coming because you are not being yourself. 

Lesley Logan 0:10  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:49  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the collected convo I had with Ryan Linder in our last episode, if you haven't listened to that one, you should go listen to it. You can look out for this one, but you should listen to at some point. You know, when this podcast the reason we want you to listen to the first to the end, you can bounce around as much as you want. 

Brad Crowell 1:10  

Totally. 

Lesley Logan 1:10  

We I think it's fun to hear what we have to say because it feels like you're part of the conversation and then you go listen that one. 

Brad Crowell 1:16  

Yeah, I mean, if you're new here, pods, the weekly pods are basically connected. So the first one is an interview. And then the next one is a recap of it. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

And the FYF has nothing to do with any of them. So it's always exciting. You should do that. And also if you're new here. Hi, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 1:32  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 1:33  

Well, I introduce you we don't introduce me so. 

Brad Crowell 1:37  

Yeah, it's true. She's Lesley. Welcome.

Lesley Logan 1:40  

Today is November 9th 2023. And is actually Cambodia Independence Day. 1953 is when they actually got their independence from France because yes, France tried to take the France ruled over them for a while.

Brad Crowell 1:52  

Almost 100 years. It was like the 1860s that they were quote unquote, discovered by France.

Lesley Logan 1:58  

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a lot of not so good things in there. But it's also why when you go to Cambodia, some people do speak French.

Brad Crowell 2:06  

Yeah, there's a lot of French influence for sure. Yes, no doubt about it.

Lesley Logan 2:09  

But it is their independence day. And it's a big holiday there. Often celebrated more in the capital city of Phnom Penh. But at any rate, I think it's really amazing that they have their own independence from another country. 

Brad Crowell 2:20  

Yeah. And Cambodia has a soft spot in our hearts because we have a place there. We go there every single year, we actually sponsor a girl there to go to school, we take people there in our retreats, we get to explore all the things it's we've really fallen in love with the country of Cambodia. 

Lesley Logan 2:38  

We live in a village.

Brad Crowell 2:39  

Just incredible. 

Lesley Logan 2:39  

When you're part of that village, it's really fun to you know, be part of that. And it's I love taking people there, because it's really important that you see, we can all travel to Europe and other western countries all the time. I think it's really important to see how people live in other parts of the world that are different than your own. Yeah, it really it's not just about like, having grateful what you have, it's actually like, they're very present people. You know, like I and it's a it's a plate, it's like when I'm there, it's like you feel you turn off the whirlwind and like it's a it's an outdoor, so you can like lifestyle, like they spend a lot of time of their day outside very much a community. They take care of each other so much. And so we you know, we use you really start to realize like how much you can be part of your own community where you live when you see how communal some people can be. So anyways, Happy Independence Day to them. We just got back, I just got back from Chicago, Brad did not join me on this trip. That means I didn't get lost. I didn't lose an ID. I didn't do anything that I didn't miss a flight or any of those things. Like on what. And I'm actually heading into Arizona tomorrow to have a girls weekend with my family. And then I come back and I'm home for the rest of November with Brad. And we have Black Friday, Cyber Monday stuff going on which we will only offer during the week of the actual American Thanksgiving. So if you are wanting to know what those deals are, you have to get on the email list for that stuff.

Brad Crowell 4:04  

Yeah, so both for onlinepilatesclasses.com For OPC. And for ProfitablePilates, we're gonna be doing some special things. And I really I'm excited for our BFCM Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale coming up for Profitable Pilates, because it's all about a webinar that I'm going to do a public webinar that we'll do on December 3rd, okay, and it's gonna be all about what your Pilates website needs. So make sure you pay attention to that that's where you're gonna get those tickets and come hang out with me and we'll dig into websites and SEO and also images and all the things it's gonna be a lot of fun.

Lesley Logan 4:41  

When we first offered this topic, like you had very little options to build a website and everything costs money and now there's like so much amazing plug and play stuff. So it's really changed and it shouldn't you should not be afraid of it. It's not expensive anymore. So I think that's really cool. After he's done with that webinar. A few days later we hop in the van well first we kick off our tour in Las Vegas and then we play the Leaving Las Vegas song as we exit Alley fitness and head to St. George. 

Brad Crowell 5:08  

How's it go? Leaving Las Vegas? 

Lesley Logan 5:10  

No. I'm leaving Las Vegas. Anyways, guys so bright it's Saturday night anyways, Who sings it? It's like it's like not Alanis Morissette, but it's something like that. Leaving Las Vegas song, Sheryl Crow, Sheryl Crow. I love Sherly Crow. I went to the the Las Vegas airport. And I was like going up the escalator to go to Security. And the song was playing in the terminal like for south southwest. And I was like, did they play this like 24/7? Or is it just happening right now? Can you imagine if they played all day long, every time like someone into the airport, they play Leaving Las Vegas, it was just that moment, but it felt so apropos. Anyways. So we'll be playing that song. And then we'll go to St. George, and then we will hit the rest of our cities.

Brad Crowell 6:01  

7000 miles, we're going from Vegas to Boston to Miami. It's gonna be crazy.

Lesley Logan 6:07  

In between, like Denver somewhere in Ohio, like lots of awesome stuff, you're gonna want to go to opc.me/tour to find out all the stops. And I expect you to get in your car and join us somewhere near you. Because we want this to be the biggest tour we've ever done. And just so you know, at the time of recording this, we don't have the details we can't tell but I'm gonna tell you right now, you're gonna want to make sure you spot this van, you're gonna want to make sure you come to this tour, because there are reasons that you want to come besides meeting me. Yeah, I'm just saying.

Brad Crowell 6:38  

We got some exciting things cooking. So tune in.

Lesley Logan 6:42  

Yes. Before we go on to talk about Ryan, we have an amazing question from someone.

Brad Crowell 6:48  

Yes. So okay. This is a great question. And it's probably one that's, I guess, sometimes overlooked, because we obviously live in the world of Pilates. And so everything seems pretty obvious to us to where to find things. But somebody said, Hey, how do I become a Pilates instructor? And I was like, Oh, that's an awesome question.

Lesley Logan 7:14  

It's like a question that gets asked so much. It's every single week when I look at like, who goes to the website where they search, they search for this. And we have lots of tools on this. But I got this in an email because someone who's like I love Pilates, I think I should just be able to teach it. But I'm moving at the end of the year, and like, are there things they should consider? And I thought that that was such a great question. And I wanted to say, we do have some free stuff on the site on profitablepilates.com. We'll make sure the links are in the show notes that actually like a free course on like how to become applies instructor, we also have a whole series of courses, once you've like, are like in a programs you can set your business up correctly. But in between those two, I have a book where the first chapter actually talks about what questions to ask a teacher training program. While I'm a classical teacher, I do not force people to become classical teachers, the questions or things you should be asking any teacher trainer you are thinking of purchasing from because here is the deal. No two programs are built the same. You cannot compare this not apples to apples. It's like every type of produce and also the ones that you've ever heard of. So every person, every program you've seen out there is built by someone based on what they want for their studio, or what they were missing in their teacher training program. And so you first need to make sure that you like the teacher trainer that you have. The second thing, especially if you're moving is to make sure that what you're being trained in is a comprehensive program, and that you can teach in any kind of Pilates studio. So if it is something that's like, oh, it's like, if you hear like, sorry, unique blend of exercises based on the equipment that we built, those are signs that it's not gonna be great for you, maybe not for other people, it might be great for other people. But if you are wanting to have a certification, where you can joke anywhere, you're looking for a conference, like him comprehensively trained program on all the equipment, so that wherever you end up in this world, you can actually teach in a full studio. Now some countries have different rules around like actually being certified at the end of the day. For the most part, it's an unregulated job, which is why there are so many different types of trainings out there. So you want to definitely check out my book, it probably will take you six to nine months, six to nine months is what you're looking at to be sure, yep. And if it's anything that takes you more than a year unless it's on your end, like that's your choice. That's a little interesting. Most of the time it's most of the training weekends can happen within six or nine months and then you take the amount of time you need. So anyways, get the book, get the course check it out, and then let me know end up doing we can celebrate your process. If you have questions on anything you want us to answer. You can send that into the Be It pot and we'll answer on the next episode.

Brad Crowell 9:44  

Okay, now let's talk about Ryan Lindner. Drawing on a wealth of experience overcoming personal hardships. Ryan Lindner collaborates with clients and top organizations around the world to address turnover issues and instill a sense of humanity and understanding within workspace leadership. I thought was interesting that he said, When you get hired for a role, they often they treat you as if you are the role, like, all right, you are going to run the shipping department. So we'll talk to shipping and receiving. All right, yeah, call shipping and receiving not call Bob, but no call shipping and receiving. And, you know, like humanizing the team again. It's interesting, it just changes that scope. But also, it was really interesting to listen to him talk about, you know, his, like, all the things and what he's been able to do and his personal struggle with with, you know, imposter syndrome.

Lesley Logan 10:42  

Yeah. We've had an impostor syndrome before on this podcast, probably several different episodes. John Laura was the top one really great one. Really great one. And so one of the things I love that we talked about, as he discussed the tendency of people with anxiety to seek approval, and please others, and the thing about people pleasing is that's just a form of control. And you actually can't control how those people are. And so he explained that having boundaries means you have to say no more, which means you may have to end some toxic relationships or leave some jobs. And he emphasized the importance of self love and owning one's worth, and detaching them from external approval. Oh, my God. Well, if you can figure that out, y'all in a in an episode, you just you should be teaching a college course, it is hard. Okay. Especially if you were raised to be that way, if that was like a learned behavior that you have, but I actually I liked that he talked about boundaries means you have to say no, do you know that it is actually kind to have boundaries? It is actually very kind of boundaries. And we'll talk about this in episode coming up with Kelli Adame. For my female, females wanting to live and in more feminine energy, it's actually very feminine to have boundaries and say how you will and will not receive other people. And so boundaries doesn't mean saying no to every like, it's I actually want to rephrase it. When you have boundaries, you're saying yes to the things you actually want in your life. If you don't have boundaries, you are actually saying no to something else.

Brad Crowell 12:13  

While you're probably saying yes to everything, you're saying yes to everything, inadvertently, you're saying no to something.

Lesley Logan 12:18  

Especially yourself. And so he said, he stressed so much. He's like, you have to love you. And you have to do that again. And you have to own who that person is. And I think, I think is the hardest part. I think a lot of people don't know how to love themselves. Because how many people listening raise your hand. Only one if you're driving, if your family taught you how to love you. Did your parents show them like you like self love? Because that's how you learn it, right? Like it's a learned behavior. So if you only see your parents who are constantly trying to change how they look, if they're like, like, my, my, all the women in my life were like always on a different diet every single week, and then cheating and going here and have these chips with you. So like, I didn't see self-love. Constantly, consistently unmodeled and why would they the people before them. That's a fucking luxury. Can you imagine the people in the depression and the wars going? I love myself so much like, it's a fucking luxury, right? So we have generations of people not modeling self-love. 

Brad Crowell 13:19  

And so really interesting. I never really thought about that my parents were when I was a kid. Every week, they would drag me out to the stupid soccer game that they played in and we had to sit on the sidelines. And I hated it.

Lesley Logan 13:33  

That's so cool. And I was like, Yeah, but that's so cool because they go watch your fucking soccer game.

Brad Crowell 13:39  

On the weekends, we would go sailing and every we hated sailing. Oh my god, my dad was like trying to flip the boat. He was having so much fun. He's like, the best thing ever. And we're like, terrified, and my mom let us take a thousand swim classes.

Lesley Logan 13:53  

I think that's why you're the unique human that you are, because your parents showed you like how to find, like, fix things for yourself.

Brad Crowell 14:00  

Yeah, that's what I'm coming to. I don't think I really realized that they were, maybe they were doing it because they wanted to do it. But they were actually also modeling. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 14:08  

This is hilarious. Do you know what everyone says about you? They're like, Brad is so happy. Brad is like the kindest person. I know. He's is a very interesting bird as any like they're just like, he's just like, he's just got like, he's just, you know, a good person who loves everybody and like, you're not very good at taking like prioritizing yourself. We're still working on that, last episode. But like, you I don't see people pleasing you at all, like, at all and so much. You have zero problems telling people no, I'm like, Oh my God. We like told them yes. And he's like, it's okay. We just change our planets. I'm like, we can't change our plans. We we have to go we said we'd be there. So like it explained like you were modeled like to, it's okay to do the things you want to do. 

Brad Crowell 14:55  

And my parents liked to play volleyball. My dad played in the band at the church.

Lesley Logan 14:59  

They don't listen to this show, they can't hear how amazing they did a good job raising you.

Brad Crowell 15:05  

My mom took sign language classes. 

Lesley Logan 15:07  

Oh, that's cool. 

Brad Crowell 15:08  

You know, like, like they definitely, you know, pursued individual things. And then did those things. 

Lesley Logan 15:15  

Yeah. So this episode wasn't for you at all. At any rate, it's for the people who this is for, if you struggle with these things,

Brad Crowell 15:22  

Oh, are you kidding? No. There's still plenty for me to learn from Ryan. 

Lesley Logan 15:25  

Yes. But I'm just saying, if you struggle with these things, and it wasn't modeled for you, it's I'm not giving you a Get Out of Jail Free card. But I'm saying like, it's no wonder it's a difficult decision, and you are going to have some toxic relationships that have to end. And he

Brad Crowell 15:39  

Well, those I mean, those talk. Well, you know, what you guys were talking about was that those toxic relationships will inadvertently end.

Lesley Logan 15:46  

Yes, and also, the very last thing one time about this, like he stressed the importance of defining relationships from the start. And I, this was very interesting. When I went to college, there was this thing called DTR. And I had no idea what that meant. And down to no determine the relationship. Oh, DTR. Yes. DTR. It's a conversation. Well, I went to a Christian college y'all so shocking. I know. But I did. I fucking did. I fucking did. I fucking did. And I thought I said, fuck all the time. Anyways, it was just like thing that people would do. They're like, oh, we went on a date. And we DTR and like, after a date, like after a date. But I do. I'm not saying that. Like, you should be doing that every time your date. But I do think it's important to be very clear about who people are in your lives in the relationship that it is and whether that's a conversation to have with them. Or if it is one that you just have to have with yourself to understand like, okay, Julie from the office who drives me fucking crazy. The relationship with Julie is at the office only. And if you're taking Julie shit home with you, you are muddling the relationship. Or if you're letting Julie when I also hang with you in the weekend, you don't have to that you can say, Hey, Julie, I love I love our time at the office together. But I don't have time for us to have relationship outside of the office together. And like, Yeah, that might piss Julie off. And you know what, hopefully have a good HR and like, they probably already know how crazy Julie is. And so sorry for any Julie's out there. Well, I mean, the poor Karen's have already been. So let's just find your name. Anyway, I think like, definitely take some time to define relationships from the start is going to help you take yourself off of the pressure of showing up in a way that's unaligned with the relationship's definition. Did you DTR in college, because I never DTR I was like, I'm gonna get through four years of college, without that DTR. Because it just felt weird. It felt like everyone want to get married right away because they just wanna have sex. And it's like, well just go have sex. Anyways, welcome to my college experience.

Brad Crowell 17:44  

Well, saying no, wasn't something I was always, you know, good at.

Lesley Logan 17:48  

You say no, all the time.

Brad Crowell 17:50  

I do now. But when I was in college, I didn't. Oh, you said yes to everything. Well, it wasn't that I said yes to everything. But I wanted to fit it into, you know, even though I was still like,

Lesley Logan 17:58  

You, you wore rings and all your fingers. You had your hair colored the wrong color. 

Brad Crowell 18:03  

Yeah. I know. I definitely pushed all the boundaries, but it didn't mean I didn't want to fit in. Okay, right. So, you know, I don't know what I don't know. I thought the DTR thing was kind of silly. But I did try to date a girl on my campus. And I asked her dad, if I could date her. And he said no. And I was like, oh, fuck, now what? She lived in Canada. And I was like, that's fair. 

Brad Crowell 18:16  

But did her dad live in Canada? I mean, I'm surprised because that would be really great than she could stay if she married you.

Brad Crowell 18:40  

Yeah. But no, I wasn't really trying to date so much. I just thought it was all a little.

Lesley Logan 18:49  

I don't even think Ryan was even talking about dating. But that's what my brain went to. I was just talking about, like relationships in general, like the people in your lives. And so I do think determination is really important.

Brad Crowell 19:00  

Yeah, I think so too. Especially like, you know, defining the relationship can help with boundary setting. And we were talking about boundaries. Because, you know, if you're

Lesley Logan 19:13  

Well, if the relationship is a work relationship,

Brad Crowell 19:16  

Then the boundary is the end of the day.

Lesley Logan 19:18  

Yeah, you're your boss, the boundary's end of the day,

Brad Crowell 19:21  

And I think we were talking about this before on a previous episode here, that the, the way that work from home has shifted. It's been so empowering and freeing and amazing, but it was also completely changed our boundaries. And if we're not careful, you know, we're taking home, you know, all this work, meaning we never actually set an end-of-the-day boundary for us. And I think that it's also been mission creep with text messages from work coworkers and working on emails late at night and all this kind of stuff. 

Lesley Logan 19:21  

And you know, I think it's France or when other countries of Europe it's illegal. And also they are not. There is zero expectation of you responding to anything outside of office hours, whatever.

Brad Crowell 20:09  

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 20:09  

it's actually weird if you do that they're like, what's wrong with you?

Brad Crowell 20:12  

Yeah. You know, and, and I don't I don't know that I agree. I think that's a bit extreme. But I, I, I do think that it's healthy to say like, unless the fucking house is burning down, don't contact me outside of those hours. And you're and like, that's with because you've defined the relationship as this is a work relationship, that it can help you reinforce your boundaries. You know, so, yeah, anyway.

Lesley Logan 20:34  

Define your relationships. Okay, what did you like? 

Brad Crowell 20:35  

Okay, so, I, well, you guys got into introvert extrovert, how you and also defining that how you recharged. You know, some people recharge being alone and others, you know, go together, you know, when it's when people together. And he started talking about how, you know, he's also, you know, very introverted, but he does all these speaking engagements, right? And so he talks all these people at a time and how it stresses him out still, you know, even now, after having done it for so, so much time. And then he kind of, you know, he kind of hidden him, he specifically said, I had a conversation recently with, like, a general or somebody huge in the military, because he got a chance to work with people in the military, right. And that kind of led you down this interesting thing about titles, right? And how titles made will make still make him uncomfortable can make you uncomfortable. If you know somebody's title, you started talking about Doctor and how like you were teaching a doctor Pilates and how you're like, Oh, why are they even taking Pilates from me? Because they are a doctor. And they know everything you know about I don't remember what kind of doctor they were. But you know, your orthopedic surgeon. That's what was and you came to this conclusion that, yeah, okay. They may understand the body, but they don't know how to move their own body. You know. And anyway, the point of it, the point of his thing was that like, when he started to, to focus on their title, the people that he was discussing things with and talking to a coaching, basically, it was intimidating to him. But if he could, like, put the title aside and just talk to like a human, then all of a sudden, it would change the dynamic. And, you know, I mean, I, what it immediately made me think of was, what if you were walking down the street and you bump into a President of the United States, and you don't know that they're the president or were a president, and you just strike up a conversation with them, and you talk them like a human. And it's probably going to be just a simple, easy exchange, conversation, whatever. Nothing weird about that. But if you were walking down the street, and they have the Presidential motorcade with 57 Secret Service agents, and like dudes carrying guns near them, you're gonna be like, Whoa, I have no, no way. I could never even speak to that person I would never try. you know. And so just knowing the person's title alone, it's such a crazy thing, how we how that shifts their own dynamic. 

Brad Crowell 20:36  

Yeah, it's true. I mean, like, even when I was teaching Pilates, like when the celebrities would need a session where I was, and I would have to teach them like, there's this moment of like, okay, so like, it's a little awkward, because like, you're like, I feel like I know a lot about you, you know nothing about me. But also you're it doesn't matter. You're just want me to teach you and I'm here to teach you, but I'm a little nervous. And like, it takes a few moments here those butterflies out for sure. Like, yeah.

Brad Crowell 22:55  

For 15 years ago, when I was I had just moved to LA and I was in Trader Joe's with my roommate at the time. And there's this girl walking down the aisle, and I just started talking to her. And like you knew her? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Whatever the fuck, I was just talking. I was just being friendly Brad. Right. (inaudible) And we're talking and like, we had this, like, we saw each other in a couple of rows. And it was kind of cute. And we got to the line. 

Lesley Logan 23:48  

And it's like, every single person in LA like you try to meet someone at Trader Joe's.

Brad Crowell 23:54  

And we're talking and we're chit chatting in the line. And we're waiting and you know, and then my roommate turns around, and he goes, Oh my god, are you so and so and she's a fucking famous actress. And it just killed the entire conversation. And it was so bad. I was like, bro, bro, you fucked that up and what the hell? 

Lesley Logan 24:11  

Who was it, do you remember? 

Brad Crowell 24:12  

I have literally no idea. But you know, but it was like it totally changed the dynamic. And I was like, weren't well.

Lesley Logan 24:23  

Yeah, yeah. So it's really funny. We put people on pedestals. They put it like it's a whole thing. It's yeah. And that creates weird impostor syndrome, which doesn't have to exist because they're just people who also need whatever you have to offer. So there you go. 

Brad Crowell 24:36  

Yeah. Well, the other thing I thought was really hilarious was he takes inspiration from Patrick Stewart, super famous stage actor and obviously, like Star Trek Stewart.

Lesley Logan 24:46  

Oh, okay. I just out of myself. I've clearly not watched Star Trek. 

Brad Crowell 24:49  

No, come on. He's like in that he's so famous. Like know that Spock. But yes, I appreciate that.

Lesley Logan 24:56  

But don't everyone on Star Trek, do it. 

Brad Crowell 24:58  

No, only Spock.

Lesley Logan 24:59  

Only Spock does this?

Brad Crowell 25:00  

Well Spock and his people. For those of you listening, family, it's the fingers. Well, just you know you have to do this and realize but your straps on your feet if you're a classical teacher, yeah.

Brad Crowell 25:11  

If you're not watching on YouTube, she's doing the split V thing.

Lesley Logan 25:15  

Yeah, but I have to cheat. I have to pull my fingers down. Oh my god, you could do it on both hands.

Brad Crowell 25:20  

Yeah. Come on, come on, you can do it. What is that hard? It's easy. So yeah, anyway, Patrick Stewart said that even today after being like, like, literally, I think he's Sir Patrick Stewart. And oh, he's knighted. Oh, yeah. Come on. You fucking know who he is. Look at it look. Yes. Look up his picture. You know. Anyway, he, he has been on stage thousands of hours on stage right and in front of cameras. And that's not Spock. Know. Okay. Now, I'll get Patrick Stewart. Anyway, he said he still actually gets stage fright. After career, decades of doing it, he still gets stage fright. And he said, and he has this little mantra that he says to himself, he says, You know what, I don't give enough. He probably says I don't give a fuck. Right? And he says, what happens? What what I thought was really interesting was like, how is that beneficial? Because it kind of seems like flippin and silly and ridiculous, you know, but what I thought was cool was that Ryan said that you're actually you're, you're kind of freeing yourself in that moment. You're detaching from the outcome in the moment and you're reducing the stakes. That's a pretty cool analysis of I don't give a fuck.

Brad Crowell 25:21  

Yeah, mine is gonna say I did look up who Spock is, I don't know the difference of the two and Sir Patrick Stewart's hotter if it's if it's any, but he's concerned.

Brad Crowell 26:47  

We were all wondering, you know, if that's what you were saying

Lesley Logan 26:51  

To people, I would want to be with Sir Patrick Stewart. Yeah, I can't do the eyebrows on Spock. Um, anyway.

Brad Crowell 27:01  

Okay. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action items what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Ryan Lindner? Own who you are, there's nothing you have to become or do or you don't have to arrive at anything. You just have to allow it. You are you. 

Lesley Logan 27:26  

You are already you were born amazing. Already happened. I love it.

Brad Crowell 27:32  

Yeah, so I think well, I think it's also I think it's just hard you know, we feel like we need to be more do more or you know, like with the qualify or again we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago about our performance-based society about how like you know the achievements that we are are how we define ourselves right and I think that of course it feels good to like hit a mark that we set for ourselves but again, we should celebrate that and too if we just jump from mark to mark to mark we're not actually enjoying the in-betweens ever, right ,and I think that we can apply that same thing about you know, who are you who like who are we how how do we see ourselves. I think that

Lesley Logan 28:15  

Made me think of Allison, who are you and he does it and then he does a little smoke, who are you? The ultimate question My goodness Yeah, it's I

Brad Crowell 28:32  

There's nothing more that you have to become to be you. You're already you. 

Lesley Logan 28:37  

You're it. You made it. 

Brad Crowell 28:38  

You made it. Congrats you are.

Lesley Logan 28:39  

You actually technically beened it till you sawed it but you've been I'm just trying to like you have arrived at that new you were born that way but now you maybe you said to be it till you see it but like you've you're born that way and so maybe it's the journey is just you finding yourself back to who you already were.

Lesley Logan 28:40  

We've beened it till we sawed it.

Lesley Logan 28:47  

You know what? Past tense on the past tense even like my double negatives I guess you don't like my double past? 

Brad Crowell 29:07  

I don't even know what to say. That's amazing. What about you? What is your

Lesley Logan 29:11  

Wow he said then this is the hard that he has that seems hard to just be who you are. So he actually said he would practice it and I really here's the thing he says like practice in front of people, practice speaking and put yourself on camera and record it like this will help you accomplish, your competence comes about, you guys, competence says that you don't wait for competence to bestow itself upon you competence comes from doing the fucking thing over and over again until you feel like you can do it like have you ever seen someone like they're able to like like stir something that they're cooking and also like tax on the phone with that looking at German or on old phones now I'm dating myself but all the people in this are RH t nine t nine where you could like I can text without looking at your Yeah, not here your phone and you could like oh texts,

Brad Crowell 29:57  

I would text I would not only that my screen was is broken. So I had to memorize the I literally memorize the keypad?

Lesley Logan 30:07  

Because Could you could you read people's text to you? No, no. So but you would text them? I would text them. I can't read you say so just calling.

Brad Crowell 30:16  

And then I would also I had to force me to memorize people's phone numbers again.

Lesley Logan 30:20  

Yes. So So but the reality is all those things come from practice and competence comes from just doing the thing. Like that's just what it is. It's actually also from just like showing up and doing the thing you said you would do that's also putting coins in the competence bucket. And so if you are struggling with like, just being yourself and being until you see it, you can't just sit around and wait for it to like, like, you know, night itself upon you. You have to actually do the thing and practice it. So practice in front of mirror, practice it while you practice doing it while you make a bed practice while you do the dishes. Practice that while you're listening to Gaia, try for the 17th time in this recording session to find a bed that's comfortable for her. None of them are we've tried seven, none of them are comfortable. So but we're gonna keep practicing until we find a bed for Gaia. We're just gonna keep going. But that is how you do it. So I really enjoyed this. I think it's important for us to revisit impostor syndrome because it just keeps showing itself up as ugly. Just like the thorn in your side. And it's coming because you are not being yourself.

Brad Crowell 31:22  

Yeah. And so let us know how you've been until you've sought it.

Lesley Logan 31:25  

Thank you for bringing it back full circle. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 31:28  

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 31:29  

You're amazing for listening to our episode. Sometimes the wheels come off to us. We got three dogs and life going on but we hope that this helps you be it till you see it and not be perfect because that's boring. If you have takeaways want you to tag the Be It pod, tag Ryan and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 31:47  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 31:49  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 32:20  

It's written filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 32:25  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 32:28  

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Lesley Logan 32:35  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 32:41  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time. 

In this podcast episode, Lesley Logan engages in a thoughtful discussion about anxiety, introversion, and imposter syndrome with Ryan Lindner. Detailing a pivotal life-changing event, Ryan shares how he transformed his outlook, the inspiration for his book, ‘The Half-Known Life’, and how he overcame self-doubt.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Ryan's journey as personal development coach
• The misconceptions about fixing introversion and anxiety.
• Why people with anxiety seek approval and please others.
• The importance of defining relationships from the start.
• How to manage pre-talk anxiety and foster self-trust

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• Ryan Lindner’s website
• The Half-Known Life (book) by Ryan

Guest Bio:

Ryan Lindner is a personal development specialist who has worked as a behavioral coach for clients and top organizations all over the world. After two sudden, unexplained cardiac arrests at a young age, he began to explore different perspectives with clients that come with any profound, life-changing event. If you aren’t living, you’re dying. It wasn’t uncommon for Ryan to teeter on unconsciousness even, at times, while working with a client, requiring him to prioritize his own energy and time masterfully, and assist clients to do the same. 

Ryan has conducted thousands of coaching sessions, has led operations for a major leadership and organizational change company, and manages learning and development projects for companies to reshape their customer experience.

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Ryan Lindner 0:00  

And I learned through working with executives is that you know we a lot of people in the working force especially in corporate America think you know all these big executives have it all figured out all the time. They're the scary executives but no, they don't have it figured out a whole lot. They just they're confident they're confident and they're not knowing they're confident. And they can do one thing that I really struggled with anxiety and that's be okay in uncertainty.

Lesley Logan 0:31  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

Okay, where are my introverts at? Where are my peeps who feel like impostor syndrome has got them down? I have a great, this guest is for you. He's actually also just an incredible journey of his career and what he's gotten to but we mostly discussed discussed like, impostor syndrome and getting over yourself and living in uncertainty. And people on pedestals like this is like the thing. And so if you are someone who is like just really having a hard time, not worrying about being an introvert or having impostor syndrome, or even just like letting people intimidate you, or my people, pleasers at, we've got something there for you as well. So Ryan Linder is our guest today, he is the author of The Half-Known Life. And so we don't get too much into his book, but I am very intrigued to read it. I'm actually really excited about it, because he's had this incredible journey. And, and it was, he said, That was a 10-year journey for this book. So you know, that's going to be a good one. I am incredibly overjoyed with what we talked about. And I really think it is a nice pep talk that you need on this day. So here is Ryan Linder. 

Lesley Logan 2:20  

All right, Be It babes. I'm really excited because I know how much you guys like to talk about impostor syndrome. I know how many DMs I get about oh my gosh, oh, we should do this. But like, I just have so much impostor syndrome. And so when I actually found today's guest, I found that like, he's actually someone who knows impostor syndrome really well, and has managed to make an amazing life for himself getting over it and has an incredible book for us all to read. So, Ryan Lindner is our guest today. And I'm just so excited. Can you tell everyone who you are? And how you got here? What made you get into this whole role and go through this journey that you've been on?

Ryan Lindner 2:53  

Yeah, thanks for having me. Super excited to chat about this. You know, growing up, introvert, super introvert, had just awful, awful anxiety growing up. And I was drawn to, you know, personal development, but pretty much anything I could sink my teeth, and that would help me sort of move beyond that. It was just such a struggle for so many years. I mean, I would I remember giving talks when I was really young, and I'd be it would be so bad. I would like sweat through my shirt. It was like that bad. It looked like I took a shower. It was terrible. 

Lesley Logan 3:26  

I feel like I feel like a lot of people can go yep, I know that.

Ryan Lindner 3:31  

And chronic worrier, chronic worrier. And really struggled to find kind of where I where I fit in, never didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, and tried to find somewhere where I might fit. And after about a million jobs, not too much of an exaggeration, but pretty close. I fell in to coaching. And I didn't know that was actually a career option. Never, I never knew that was a possibility. But I found out that I just I could empathize and sort of relate to people really well who were going through that. And that felt like well, you know, I can embrace this. Maybe I can turn that into something. I got an amazing contract and did coaching sessions for people all over the world even work for a federal contract the military. And then I started working with organizations really developing training content, leading trainings for major major companies, building out their training departments helping with their culture transformation, helping train managers so that they, you know, most companies treat people like roles and not people. Yeah. And I would track things like turnover, you know, how do you reduce turnover? How do you so it grew and sort of progressed over the years into things that I would have never ever guessed.

Lesley Logan 4:57  

What I what an incredible journey like like to go from like, all these different like, Oh, I'm coaching now I'm coaching corporations now I'm coaching the military now I mean, like, also, like exciting and I imagine like, there were there are probably some moments like oh my gosh, I'm I'm doing this now you know what I mean? Like so how did like how did you? How did you get over? Like? Did you just outgrow the anxiety? Like what was the journey there?

Ryan Lindner 5:25  

A lot of people think of anxiety and this is just, you know my approach and you know a lot of my clients when I tell them, hey, I'm really anxious, introvert, a lot of them would be very surprised, because it doesn't seem like that, you know, I've done speeches in front of executives in front of, you know, all kinds of people, generals and you know, all kinds of, and a lot of people think that anxiety, introversion is something that has to be overcome or fixed. That was what I was, I always thought was, I read all the books, I need to do these things to overcome it. You know, we always hear the advice like picture people, in their underwear or some kind of crazy advice. And none of that really worked for me, it was always still there still had the physical symptoms, you know, the sweaty palms, felt lightheaded at times just is terrible. Eventually, I started to think about it differently. I started to think about, you know, what if it was something that didn't have to fix, like, what, what if I just, it took me quite a while but it was a different mindset with it. In other words, like, I think of it right now as I am truly truly okay with however I show up. Yeah, however, I show up. I love that person. You know, most of us treat ourselves way worse than we would treat people. 

Lesley Logan 6:55  

Oh, it's when I mean 100%. You know, I think I tend to highlight what you just said, because so many people that I work with, they're like, Oh, I can't go up and just talk to a stranger because I'm an introvert. And I'm like, Well, no, you are a shy person. You're an introvert because you like you actually gain energy being alone. And, and when they see it like that. It's like something that is hindering them, like being an introvert is holding them back. But being an introvert doesn't actually have to be something overcome or has to hold you back. It's just like how you are as a person in this world who gains energy to show up in this world. And so I love that you're like, I don't have to get over being an introvert. I can just be an introvert who also can do these things. Like it doesn't have to be an either or.

Ryan Lindner 7:39  

You're exactly right. You know, introverts aren't necessarily all shy, they just kind of recharge, we recharge our batteries a little bit differently. And you know what might be exhilarating or energizing for an extrovert it's draining for me. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've got to have those boundaries in place.

Lesley Logan 7:59  

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what you really have to learn is not how to like overcome your introverted Ness. It's like how to like, say, No, I mean, people don't believe that I'm an introvert. When I say it, I'm like, Well, I'm a very gregarious, that's what Brad calls me I say, high functioning. It's a world that we have to be an extrovert in, like, you have to go out and network you have to put yourself out there. Like, that's the way the world is. So how do I be that till I see it without changing who I am, or thinking that my way of recharging is wrong, there's nothing wrong with that. So the other night, we were at a networking event, I went to dinner with this other person, and he's like, Okay, I'm gonna do something with him, and I'll meet you at the party. I'm like, oh, we'll probably arrive at the same time because I'm gonna sit here and order another drink and be by myself.

Ryan Lindner 8:40  

That's what I would totally do as well.

Lesley Logan 8:42  

And I just like the whole restaurant, this look because they just got up and I'm like, I'll have another drink here. And I sat there. I played a video game. I didn't I enjoyed myself. And then I was like, Okay, I'm excited to go to this party now.

Lesley Logan 8:54  

I also enjoy naps. I'm a big fan of naps.

Lesley Logan 9:00  

Yeah, so like I actually so it's like, I think I think introvert is an anxiety and even like the imposter syndrome thing, people think I have to overcome that. But what if it like what you said earlier? I don't want to put words in my mouth. But I this is what I came to my mind. Like, what if we just it just existed? Like, it's like, that's what I have right now. And I'm, you know, how do I like instead of overcoming it, it's more of like, this is a sign of who I am or that I care about something or that something's important to me. Like that's why we have feelings of impostor syndrome or maybe even some feelings of anxiety. So we actually care about the things that we're doing.

Ryan Lindner 9:34  

I think the imposter you know, we feel like we're somehow diminished because I'm an introvert and I should be an extrovert and then but you know, once I love that person now and I was truly okay truly feeling like I was okay, however I show up. Then some of the anxiety does dissipate on its own. So like even if I would be sweating or you know, be read as a tomato I would just, you know, make a joke of it or like, kind of laugh at it almost like you know. You know, I decided to take a shower right before this and, you know, I just left my clothes on but you know, I think it humanizes you and people can and the audience can relate to that. Yes. And it disarms them and it makes them laugh. It's an icebreaker. 

Lesley Logan 10:24  

Well, it's also like, there's when I was taking a class on like doing a keynote speech, they said, like, start your speech with something self deprecating. It makes people like you. 

Ryan Lindner 10:34  

I love it. Actually.

Lesley Logan 10:35  

And like, and I'm like, am I self-deprecating, but basically, like by you saying, I decided to get started my clothes on before I walked in here. Like what? Like, when it actually makes people stop looking at that and going, what is oh, you know, actually just like, and everyone laughs and then you've caught their attention. So now they're all listening to it anyway. So it's actually like, it's actually like your superpower is that you sweat through your sharp voice?

Ryan Lindner 10:58  

Absolutely.

Lesley Logan 10:59  

So okay, you got into this coaching thing. And then it just kept growing and growing. How? Like, what kind of what was that like for you? How did you put yourself out there to get more clients? Was it income was after you got what you after this, like realization that you can just be an introvert with anxiety and like, it's going to be okay. And then and then how did that lead you to like writing a book? Like, what was that journey? Like?

Ryan Lindner 11:23  

Well, the journey for the book was about 10 years. So I guess better late than never, but it really, I had some things that occurred health wise, when I first started that contract, I actually had a couple of cardiac arrests. And so you know, that's not too good for someone with anxiety because that kind of

Lesley Logan 11:46  

Takes it to the next level, it's like a vicious cycle.

Ryan Lindner 11:48  

Yeah, yeah. But it, I, so I just started that, what I would call my dream job at the time, you know, I had this amazing contract, I had clients from all over the place you know I have psychologists as clients, and I was there for about a month. And I suddenly just dropped dead one day, like I had this, like, cardiac arrest, no family history, nothing like that. And I was back at work five days later, you know, working with clients, because, you know, I had a financial need. 

Lesley Logan 12:22  

Yeah, I understand that. 

Ryan Lindner 12:24  

No paid time off, I was one month there. And I'm hooked all these wires, and I'm doing these virtual sessions. Most of them were on the phone, so they couldn't see it. I was, you know, hooked all these wires and stuff. And, and it really transformed my sessions, though, having gone through that. It just totally made me rethink what I'm actually worried about. And it helped in a very weird way.

Lesley Logan 12:54  

That's so fascinating. And I hate that you had to go back. But I understand the world we live in, like, sometimes you just don't have, you don't have the luxury of actually recovering from your cardiac arrest. You have to be back in action. And so, but also like to go through that, and it helps you rethink, I think, I don't think we have to go through cardiac arrest y'all to rethink like, what are we actually worried about? Like, I think we can actually, we can actually learn how to learn from Ryan's life. That one we can, we can, you know, live vicariously through.

Ryan Lindner 13:32  

Yeah, and, you know, I had one and then the next day had another, you know, just to oh, it just totally, totally

Lesley Logan 13:40  

Like an aftershock. 

Ryan Lindner 13:42  

Absolutely, absolutely, you know, I had the paddles and everything. And to this day, you know, it's over a decade later, I have, you know, I was young collegiate athlete, no family history, and again, just a random event. And, you know, I got a pacemaker and but one thing that I have to do, which is interesting for someone who's had anxiety for many years is I the boundaries, you know, I have to have boundaries if I don't I, I I'm busy. 24/7 so if I don't have my boundaries in place, or manage my energy, well, then, you know, then I get really sick. 

Lesley Logan 14:25  

Yeah. So can we talk about that because I I'm, like, obsessed with my boundaries, and like, my whole team, their whole job is just to like, protect the boundaries that I have in place. And at least that's my assistant's job. And then when people inquire like, you did not go through the channels, now you're breaking but like, not every, boundaries are a muscle. And I'm sure one that was really hard for you to even put in place to even think about what boundaries you need to not feel guilty doing it. Like there's a whole host of emotions like am I like, and we also train people how to treat us so if we never had boundaries? And then we asked to start putting them in place, then people are like, Wait, where is this coming from? So how, what was your boundary journey like? And do you have any tips for those of us who are trying to get better at it?

Ryan Lindner 15:12  

Well, a lot of people I've worked with, especially those with anxiety, they're people pleasers. And that's exactly what I was, I thought that my self-worth and my value came from, you know, getting approval and feeling. You know, and that's part of what was, you know, the anxiety, the stage fright, and all that was, oh, my gosh, what if I screw this up, you know, low self-esteem and so forth. So having boundaries means you have to say no more, and but some relationships also fall away, you know, maybe they're toxic relationships, toxic jobs. And I work a lot with people who are going to use like, career transitions as well. You know, and also working with companies, I really understand that dynamic. And it's, it's really having to detach from that in some ways. That's not where your worst comes from. You have no control over what over outcomes or what other people think of you. You have to love you. And you have to, again, kind of own own who that person is.

Lesley Logan 16:22  

That I mean, gosh Ryan, you have to repeat that for everybody one more time. So you like it all over wine, this or here it is, you just said it. Like we we cannot control how people think about us. And, and saying yes, and people-pleasing as you trying to control how people think about you. But guess what, just because you said yes to the thing doesn't mean that you're controlling how they think about you, or feel about you. And so you actually have to really, like own what you want, as you said, and like really like who you are, and be okay with that. And then you put the boundaries out there. And you know, the right people are gonna be in your life, because they're gonna respect that. And then and then thank goodness, the bad ones can fall away. Like, thank goodness, you know, we have a lot of people who are business owners here. And recently, my coaching group, one of them was like, How do I fire a client? And, you know, what I wanted to say was like, well, if you have strict boundaries in place from the get-go, you would never have to do that. Because like, they just wouldn't, they wouldn't get through the filter, you know, like, it's like, it'd be really hard for them. But what happens is, sometimes we like say yes to people in our businesses, because we're trying to grow them, we like need more clients right away. So we bring people in, we're just saying yes, and like, oh, then we have that person who like, steps on all the boundaries, breaks all the rules, and we don't want to, we don't want to upset them. We don't want to upset them. So we like kind of let it slide or we just go oh, hey, don't do that we like aren't really clear on what those boundaries are. So they're just being themselves and we're not actually putting fences up that they can actually see we're just like, expecting them to behave in a certain way. And, and then you end up having to fire someone because like, you just get to a point where like, Are you kidding? I can't work with you anymore. And so like, the best thing to do is like to never have to fire a friend, a client or a co-worker or anything like that is just to like really own what you need to be the best at what you're doing. And then be okay with with sometimes that'll make people disappointed in you.

Ryan Lindner 18:17  

You define that relationship from the beginning. You know, you set that precedent. And, you know, I know firsthand, you know, if you've worked with someone a long time, and you've set a precedent of sort of bad habits, it's so hard to get that back on track. Some people you can't convince anyone of anything, they have to come to that sort of on their own. It's, you know, some relationships, you will have to let go. But that's okay, that's okay.

Lesley Logan 18:51  

Yeah. Yeah. So you said earlier that the book journey was 10 years, I think that that's probably fast for most people's first time. What made you want to write a book? What what what made you think that like, I, what, I want to get this message out there, what was that whole conversation and journey, like?

Ryan Lindner 19:09  

The book is called The Half-Known Life. And it's actually it's not a typical self help, or it's like you only live once kind of thing. It's, um, it's from a quote from Moby Dick, which has to do with like, not being able to see ourselves, so we can't always you know, and I come back to, you know, I've had again, like, it's like, first time I had like a psychologist as a client. I was kind of like, confused, because I was like, I thought they were supposed to have it all figured out. Like, like, why are they working with me? And then I had these executives, people that I thought, wow, these people. And this ties really well into impostor syndrome, too, because I learned just a ton from working with these people. But I realized that you know what, that's all we are. We're all just people. You know, matter how smart you are, you could be brilliant. We can't see ourselves. And I learned through working with executives is that you know, we a lot of people in the working force, especially in corporate America think, you know, these big executives have it all figured out all the time. They're the scary executives, but no, they don't have it figured out a whole lot. They just they're confident they're confident in their not knowing they're confident. And they can do one thing that I really struggled with anxiety and that's be okay in uncertainty. Be okay. And uncertainty work and uncertainty they can they can live in that. Yeah. And it and because they trust themselves. You know, I might not have it all figured out right now. But I trust that I will do what I need to do at the appropriate time. They trust that.

Lesley Logan 20:55  

Yeah. So is that something that you have learned how to do is to like, trust in yourself, you know, through this journey like that you might not know all the answers, but you know, you'll be fine. You'll get you'll get yourself through it.

Ryan Lindner 21:10  

I do feel like that. I also feel like, you know, I'm comfortable saying I don't I don't know something. You know, if I don't know, I don't know, um, it has no bearing on my value. I as a leader with companies, I try to, you know, I tell people that all the time, you know, don't know everything, don't have it all figured out. But I'm open. I am open to being better. I look at it more as like a continuous thing.

Lesley Logan 21:35  

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's I mean, that's, I mean, we, first of all, we will never know, everything you will always be learning, there's always going to be a question that you couldn't ever, like, predict is going to happen. And, and because everyone's coming at the same thing that you're doing with a different perspective. And so the more you can be okay, with like, oh, I don't know, or, Oh, let me get back to you, the easier it is for you to be present in the moment of the life that you're in. Because if you are so worried that you're not going to know the right answer, you're so busy thinking that I have to know all the right answers, you're not actually able to be competent, comfortable in the in the position you're in. So I think that that's so true. I and I you mentioned like being there comfortable in the uncertainty. And that's so hard for humans, though, we want to know, we want to know how it's going to end. That's why we skip to the end.

Ryan Lindner 22:24  

You know, and a lot of us, if you look at you know, one thing I do a lot and I work with clients is in any situation I asked myself, you know, what do I actually know, what do I actually know about the situation? So you know, about a week ago, I gave this huge talk. And I remember like 1015 minutes prior to the talk a lot of you know people all over the country on it. And I I was like, feeling those symptoms again, like, oh my god, like what am I even doing? You know? But you know, what I just said, you know, what, what information? What historical? Do I ever really bomb? We all bomb on occasion, but like, is it ever as bad as I think it is? And I thought you know, it's, it's not. In most situations, the stakes are pretty low. Yeah, you know, what's the worst that can happen? You know? And I just said, You know what, I'm going to do this, like I always do. And I did. And I did and I just became comfortable in the symptoms and not didn't try to, again, wish they weren't there are overcome them. I just said, You know what, I'm going to accept that I feel this way. I'm good with it. I took a deep breath. And I was just a person. That's it. We always try to be this like, you know, get everything right. And all that I was just a person just like they are and I talked to them just like other people. And it's as simple as that.

Lesley Logan 23:55  

I think that like so I love that you say that. Because firstly, going back to your psychologist client, like I think that we'll have people in our lives like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that they want to work with me, or I can't believe that they want to talk with me. And we're so we've got this thing like they've got it all figured out that psychologist knows everything. I know, it's a whole thing. Like why? What can I possibly teach him? And it's like, oh, actually so much. Because he can't see himself? You know, and I think, you know, we don't give ourselves enough credit if the person has said yes, they want to work with you. Already they're saying I think you know, more than me on this topic.

Ryan Lindner 24:29  

And also, you know, we don't know those people. It's all assumptions. It's all stories that we've created in our mind and who they are based on what a title and whatever. So you don't have to know everything and you don't have to be perfect. You just have to be able to help them and in some way you have to know more than them about something. 

Lesley Logan 24:46  

Oh yeah, I got it. I had one of like, one of the top like orthopedic surgeons came in to take a session for me and I was like, Oh my God, this person knows more about the body than I could ever know. Like they're an orthopedic surgeon like they they know everything right? My top the best in the field. And I'm teaching him and I'm like, he doesn't actually know what I'm saying, like I'm saying lift your arms and like, it's, they're not. They're like flailing, right? And it's like, oh, he knows everything about how to work, how everybody's body should work. But he doesn't know how to work his body in the way I'm asking him to do it. And so it like, a like, made me go, just teach him like every other human being whoever lays down here, he just happens to know, the anatomical terms of his knee joints and his shoulder joints. And so I can maybe use that.

Ryan Lindner 25:35  

Yeah, that doesn't mean he knows everything. He's got it all figured out. And that's, that's the case with almost I was. I was when I was a provider, and I was coaching a lot. I also worked with a marriage and family therapist, and I ran into him in the hallway. And I said, I do anything. And he said, Oh, that's a go-into session with this couple, right after I just had a fight with a wife. And I just thought, I mean, just just the person, you know, just just the person, like the rest of us. And but I think having that outside perspective is, you know, you just just can't see yourself. 

Lesley Logan 26:11  

So yeah, yeah. And also like, giving like space and grace to ourselves, because we're, like you said, the beginning of our conversation, like, we are so hard on ourselves. We're not like, not in any moment, you're like, you know, has hard on this psychologists marriage, marriage, family counselor, as you are on yourself, you know, it's like we, the more we can actually be courteous of that judgment of others to ourselves, and then also take people off this pedestal that we keep putting them on, because we can't, we can't show up as our full self, and have these amazing ideas. If we just keep putting people up on pedestals just because of the alphabet behind their name, or who we think that they are, or who said they were whatever it is, it's like if we actually just treat everyone like they're an actual human being, we'll probably learn that we have more in common with people that intimidate us or cause us to have impostor syndrome than we don't.

Ryan Lindner 27:04  

If you didn't know someone's title, if you didn't know anything about them, it'd be a lot more relaxed conversation. You know, if someone just walked up and said, You know, Paul, or whatever, nice to meet you, you would talk to them, like a regular person, if you found out they were some famous something, suddenly that dynamic, you know, changes. So a lot of that is again, you're totally right. It's just that sort of story, you know, why me? Why am I can I do this, I'm no one, it's all comes back to that, you know, self-dialog. And once you realize that you don't have to have, you don't have to arrive to a particular place or become anyone. You'd have to more allow it or just just be a person, because you're you're going to have something to offer that the other person doesn't. And that's all you need. It reminds me of Patrick Stewart, who I love. He had this, you know, he's getting interviewed one time, and he shared this like, mantra that he uses, because he's been in theater, TV movies, you know, and he shared this mantra, and I thought, wow, I mean, he must never get nervous, because, you know, he's been doing it for decades. And he said, No, I, I still get nervous. I still get like, stage fright and all that. I thought that was really and so I'm waiting for this mantra. Like, like, profound like, and he said, You know what, you know what I do before I go on stage? I just tell myself, I don't give an F. Of course he does. Of course, he cares. Right. But there's something freeing about saying that, I think when you say that, you know, don't care anyway, you know? You do of course care. Yeah. You have detached from the outcome in that moment. Yeah. And reduce the stakes. You know, you know, when you're in front of an audience that, you know, you're looking at all these faces, but most introverts do well, they do well, one on one. So if you can treat audience and just look at them as talk to them, like one person, look at one person, talk to them, like one person. And the stakes aren't aren't as high as you think, you know. And even Patrick Stewart, you know, I just thought that was hilarious.

Lesley Logan 29:31  

I love I love I always love to find out what those things are because they're never what you expect them to be. They're not this like complicated thing. They're really often not and we like we build these things up. Like when I'm ready when I'm ready. You're never gonna feel ready. Like you. You're just I don't know, maybe maybe I'm wrong there but I really don't think I've ever felt ready to start anything that I've actually cared about.

Ryan Lindner 29:53  

No way like this. People are waiting for the stars to align and like I need to feel ready. You're totally right and, or they need to have everything figured out. But that comes back to the uncertainty you need to be okay with that, the best thing to do is just just go in and learn. And then always adjust, always adjust, always pivot. And none of it has any bearing on your value. And you're just you're learning approaches kind of as a learner.

Lesley Logan 30:21  

Yeah. Oh, if we could just approach everything as a learner. All right, we're gonna I mean, I, I want to hear more, but we're gonna take a brief break, find out people find you follow you get your book and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 30:33  

Okay, Ryan, you have this amazing book? Where can people find it? What can they learn from it? And where can they work more with you?

Ryan Lindner 30:41  

They can go to my website, rslindner.com, halfknownlifebook.com as well. They can also find me on Amazon.

Lesley Logan 30:51  

We'll have all those in the show notes. And all right, before I let you go, because you've given us so many great things to think about. And I really I know all of our peeps who tend to let the imposter syndrome get in the way I just love that you talked about the uncertainty and all of that already, but what bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps that people can take to be it till they see it.

Ryan Lindner 31:14  

I would say number one, own who you are. Own it. If there's nothing you have to be calm or do or you know derived anything. You just allow it. Just practice practice in front of people practice speaking, put yourself on camera, record it, just practice it. And again, just however you show up. Own it.

Lesley Logan 31:41  

Amazing. Yes. I hope that everyone starts doing that more and more and more because every single one of you is listening to this as something offered this planet and you're keeping it for yourself, which I think is pretty selfish whenever you don't put it out there and you let impostor syndrome or not having it figured out get in the way. Ryan you this has been a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much. I can't wait to hear how everyone loves it. What their takeaways are. Y'all tag Ryan Lindner. Tag the Be It pod and also go get his book at the halfknownlife.com halfknownlifebook.com. 

Ryan Lindner 32:07  

halfknownlifebook.com

Lesley Logan 32:12  

Perfect, awesome. All right, until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 32:17  

That's all I got for this episode of the B until you see a podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the beat pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others be it till you see it. Have an awesome day. Theater you see it is a production of the bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 32:47  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 32:53  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 32:56  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 33:03  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 33:09  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

This episode is a celebration of personal victories and entrepreneurial triumphs. Discover the inspiring journeys of listeners and host, Lesley Logan, as they navigate life's challenges with courage and resilience. From milestone birthdays to bestselling books, there's plenty to cheer for!

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• The importance of community and family support.
• Celebrating personal and professional milestones.
• Learning to manage stress and avoid perfectionism.
• Overcoming obstacles with trust and breathwork.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. 

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hello, Be It babe. Hi. Oh my gosh, welcome to Fuck Yeah Friday, which means a day where you are reminded to celebrate all the things, not just the things that went perfectly well, not just the things that you actually finished, but just things that you did do. Because that makes life easier. You can actually build your competence by realizing well, I do a lot of shit. And I love to share your guys's wins, because you can hear from peers, like, oh, that's a win. Oh, I wish I had a win like that this week. And then one of mine because I mean, it's important, you know, like, I don't have it all figured out either. No one does. By the way. No one does. If anyone does, and they say they do, you should run, because everyone's always learning. But anyways. Okay, so we'll start with your wins. And then we'll go to mine. And then at the end, I always have I started adding a little affirmation you can repeat or journal on or think about because, you know, sometimes it's like, I don't know, and we just need to like, what do I journal about? What do I write down on my thing, whatever. Something to help you if you're feeling stuck, so I hope this gets you unstuck. 

Lesley Logan 1:50  

Okay, the first win is from Sam, and I, oh, I love this one. Sam is an Agency member. She's an eLevate, member, and she lives in the UK. And she said I'm 50, was her birthday, right? I'm 50, had seemed unbelievable that I got here. So proud of what I've achieved so far. From a cabin in the back garden to a four-room studio space with six instructors, including myself and husband, and admin assistant assistant and a business analyst. So proud of what I'm still achieving so grateful for this community and the beautiful people I've met. So grateful for my beautiful family who continue to amaze me and make me a better person. I feel inspired. I feel strong. I feel young. I feel lucky. I'm ready to inspire others. I'm ready to live my truth. I shall continue to shine a light on others but no longer at the expense of myself. I feel excited for the future. I feel calm. Happy freakin birthday, Sam. And what a way to just inspire everyone on their birthday to just like do some items. And I feel, and I am right. I love I love this. If it is your birthday or your unbirthday like, take a moment to just take stock of like, look at look at how far you've come. Just beautiful, Sam. I've read this seven times now and I, I It still gives me like good chills. Love it. 

Lesley Logan 3:13  

Okay, Claire Sparrow, you remember her? She's had some wins lately. And she's still winning. We've got some more wins to share, but I want to make sure they're from her. But you can check out her episode. We had it out last December. So she wrote whoop, whoop, what a winning week. My book is here in print. And today I took it to a local indie shop who are stocking it. I've also started giving copies to people who it will impact starting with Ruby Wax last week and stuff from Steph's Packed Lunch today. It feels like the beginning. And just so you know, I'm sure we'll have more wins to celebrate with her but her book is published you can get it on Amazon. And it's on the number one bestseller list. So way to go Claire Sparrow, so friggin happy when she was on the podcast, you know, she had plans to write the book and since then she's written the book, published the book, it's gotten in the hands of the best seller. You'd be surprised what you can do in a year you guys you in nine months even should even do a full year she did it like in less than nine months. So super, super proud. And love celebrating that. So you can send your wins into the Be It pod and I'll share them and shout them out so that if you maybe when we air them you're having a day and you hear it you're like oh my god I did that. Like how cool would that be? So make sure you send them in. 

Lesley Logan 4:25  

So my win is that I have had just a lot of little obstacles nothing I think some of the things trials are actually pretty major but this year just have like a lot of like little obstacles. And what I have been working on doing is taking a couple deep breaths and feeling that like fear feeling that worry feeling that oh my god like that that urge to like micromanage and, and my default when there's a lot of obstacles is like do the thing that has the most certainty but certainty is actually perfectionism in disguise. And so it's not I'm not perfect at this yet. It's not all day every day like I'm slaying but I have been really working on this last month. I'm so proud. Like as these two little obstacles that come up as a little flare ups have come up. I felt the feelings, I let myself kind of have a little reaction. And then I did some deep breaths, and not even a full breath work session just like you can do it with me right now you can just inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale. And if you need some, it's a little bit more dynamic, you can do two inhales. And one exhale. Quick little inhale, long exhale, it's a really great brain reset. And it's been awesome, because it's allowing me to trust it's going to work out. And a lot of these little issues solved themselves. By the time I found out about them, they were almost solved or absolved. And so I think it's really important that like, we're gonna have shit hit the fan, it's just gonna happen. And we cannot control all the things, nor do you have the time, nor do you want to, but we can do is take a deep breath, trust, it's going to work out and see these obstacles as these gifts like, Oh my God. This obstacle is actually helping me learn how to overcome this challenge that will probably happen in my future. So we've said before, like life is kind of like a video game. And sometimes you have to go through a challenge that you can get the muscle so that when you have another challenge, you actually can handle that one, right? So anyways, I am trusting it's all gonna work out. And I'm really enjoying it. It's not easy. It's not easy at all, but we're gonna keep doing it. And that's why we're celebrating a win right now. Because I'm not waiting to celebrate a win until I perfectly so good at trusting all obstacles now or celebrating that I've trusted the ones that I've experienced this month. And that's the win. 

Lesley Logan 6:49  

So my affirmation for you to read out loud to yourself is I do not have to linger in dark places. There is help for me here. So I do not have to linger in dark places. There is help for me here. Let's say together. I do not have to linger in dark places. There is help for me here. My love there's help for you. There's people out there whose strength is your weakness and they cannot wait to do what they love to do and help you out. So reach out. Let him and help you trust it's all going to work out and celebrate what you did do. Thank you so much for listening. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 7:33  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 8:04  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:09  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 8:12  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:19  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 8:25  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad and Lesley dive into a recap of their enlightening interview with Alice Inoue, discussing the significance of self-care, the art of happiness, and the power of shifting one's perspective. Discover actionable takeaways for enhancing your well-being, owning your time, and getting to know yourself better. Join the conversation as they explore ways to schedule personal time and embrace the journey to true happiness.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The value of scheduling personal time for self-care.
• The ongoing process of self-awareness.
• How to learn and cultivate the skill of happiness.
• Changing your perspective on life's challenges.

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• Tour Stops

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

I think it's okay to feel your feelings you all but you have to then go okay well what can I glean from this? What should I do? Like where can I go? You don't have to sit in it. 

Lesley Logan 0:09  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:50  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life are going to dig into the discerning convo I had with Alice Inoue, in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, go back listen to it. Holy moly, is she the happiest person on the planet. She is so frickin nice like, and not like a happy person, like annoying when it was like (inaudible). But like just like chill.

Brad Crowell 1:11  

She's just very cheerful.

Lesley Logan 1:12  

She's cheerful. That's a great word for it. Alright, before we get into everything let's talk about today. Today is November 2nd 2023. It is the National Day of the Dead. It's actually probably international actually, since it's a holiday from Mexico. Mexican holiday. Yeah, but also when you when you look it up babe, there's also like, it's a it's a thing that other people do. Like, if you there's another day that it's a hold on, I looked into it.

Brad Crowell 1:40  

So it's traditionally celebrated on November one and two, although 

Lesley Logan 1:44  

It's also All Souls Day. 

Brad Crowell 1:45  

It could have been from October 31 all the way to November 6.

Lesley Logan 1:50  

Yeah, yeah. And also it's like All Souls Day if you're looking at like Christianity, It's All Souls Day in Brazil. So anyways, National Day of the Dead to me, like sums up and you could honor your loved ones or someone else's loved ones by going to a cemetery and, you know, spending some time with them. It's my favorite thing to do when I was a kid in high school, or I would just go and like trim the grass around people's tombstones.

Brad Crowell 2:12  

I'm so I'm so sorry. Hold on. That was the favorite. That was your favorite thing to do.

Lesley Logan 2:17  

It's a really nice way to like meditate and like be alone. You know, I mean, didn't have cell phones back then. But I would just Okay, so here's the thing when you go to cemeteries at least where I grew up, they they mow the lawn? Yeah, but they don't trim. They don't go around and hedge. We call it edging. 

Brad Crowell 2:35  

Yeah. Trimming, edging, it's not

Lesley Logan 2:38  

They don't do any of that around the actual tombstone. So over time, the grass will just grow over the tomb. Like a, what is it like a plaque, it'll just like go grow over it. And so then it just, it bothers me because then like, there's mowing over and like you forget who these people are. And they were all souls and like, I don't know how I feel about them being buried in the ground and we having like, take up all the space but at the same time that we did so and we're not going to take them up. So I just think it's important that their plaques are like there to like, mark that these people lived on this planet and they were part of it. So anyways, I would trim the grass, but take some scissors out from the grass. And I just think it's like a park. Whatever we met in a cemetery. We made out on one my God. You can think it's strange all you want. But you've participated in like cemetery life. So

Brad Crowell 3:22  

Well. It's November. And this month. We do have a little bit of travel. We means Lesley and Erika.

Lesley Logan 3:31  

Yeah, so first of all, like right now we're in Nashville.

Brad Crowell 3:35  

Yes, as this is released. We are. Surprise. 

Lesley Logan 3:38  

Tomorrow I fly to Chicago. And then I'm in Chicago for a couple days teaching with Erika Quest. If there's any spots left and you were listening to me in real time, you better hit me up quick. We'll make sure you get that taken care of. And then I come back. Then I head off to Arizona for a little weekend time with my my mom and my sister. And then it's the holidays Thanksgiving in the States. And that means Black Friday, Cyber Monday deals. So you want to make sure that you're just paying attention while our emails.

Brad Crowell 4:03  

Oh, yeah, we've got a lot of those going on y'all. So one of those Profitable Pilates or OPC. We got stuff happening.

Lesley Logan 4:09  

We're not starting the sale on November 4th. This is like we're doing it the week of the holiday. Yeah, we're not those people.

Brad Crowell 4:16  

We're not the two weeks before Black Friday, Cyber Monday. We are Black Friday Cyber Monday.

Lesley Logan 4:21  

But if you're on our email list, you will hear what those deals are ahead of time so you can plan when you're going to do your shopping around spending time with your family because that is important. Then, after that I actually we actually we both go on our tour.

Brad Crowell 4:35  

Yeah, in the first after the first week of December, we're hitting the road. We're gonna be on the tour. The winter tour. This is going to be east coast. Y'all. Here's the deal. We are driving from Vegas, to Boston to Miami, back to Vegas, and it's going to take us 27 days we're going to do (Lesley: I've never been to Boston.) 7000 miles. We're going to do 14 cities. 28 or 30 classes or events, I don't even know it's all coming together right now we're gonna have our dogs with us. 

Lesley Logan 5:06  

We're gonna kick it off in Las Vegas. 

Brad Crowell 5:09  

Yeah, that's right. Everybody demand that on the last tour.

Lesley Logan 5:12  

I know, I was kind of shocked. I was like, Okay, I will do it. Not that I want to see you guys, but I just didn't think like, you want a tour slot, but you do. So we're doing that and you're gonna be the kickoff, and then we're gonna play the song Leaving Las Vegas, because come on, that was my request as the talent and then it's also the first city we did the first tour. So 2019 is our first tour and we kicked it off in Las Vegas, and we're doing the exact same studio we did before. So thanks, Ali Fitness for being our host. Anyways, go to opc.me/tour to see which cities we're gonna be in. You guys are not you're gonna want to make sure you're spotting the van. You're at the very least you want to make sure you're in a class because there are some epic things happening there. (Brad Crowell: We got something special.) We can't announce it now. (Brad: Take pictures of the van.) Yes, take make sure just come to the fucking cities we're going to be in. (Brad: Yeah.) Just come. (Brad: Come to the cities.) I don't want to hear it's two hours away. I'm driving 7000 miles. You can do it.

Brad Crowell 6:03  

I agree. I definitely I definitely agree. If you want more information on all the tour stops, they are literally open available now for you to pick up your tickets. Go to opc.me/tour 

Lesley Logan 6:15  

Bring your friends. Bring your family. You know those ones that you're like, oh my gosh, spend time with that time ever bringing them because guess what all entertain them for you for an hour? Yeah. It's gonna be awesome. All right, Brad. Before we get into Alice's amazing interview, we're doing audience question.

Brad Crowell 6:29  

We do. We've had obviously we've been in Vegas now for a couple years. And when you're in Vegas things it's pretty funny because people come here all the time. I don't think I realized how often I would have friends in town when we were moving here. 

Lesley Logan 6:46  

We see our L.A. friends as much as we saw them in LA because they come here. 

Brad Crowell 6:50  

Yeah, pretty pretty frequently. So one question that we have been asked a couple of times is like what should we do when we get to Vegas? What's your favorite thing to do when in Vegas? So if you're a tourist and you're here for a few days and you're not quite sure what to do, here are our two favorite things one each. Go ahead. 

Lesley Logan 7:08  

Oh, are you gonna make one each? Okay, okay. I'm a list here we go. Mob Museum. Absolutely must do, you must do the Mob Museum and in preparation listen to Mobbed-up Season One your fucking wild Lesley loves this stuff. Everything. Las Vegas Review, General High High all the season four if you want I'll recap all the seasons if you want. So it's a must-do and then also the Arts District is going to be like I'm just gonna blanket statement the artist artists are because there's great shops, all local owned, great bars, great restaurants. You cannot make a wrong decision in the Arts District. Yep. And so, really worth doing. You can get facials, you can go shopping. I'm not going to name all I don't want to leave into my friend's out. So just the arts district. The other way of looking at Arts is it's called 18 Ben, you can look those two things up. You can look up DTLV on Instagram. There's so many things you can find a list of this but you're talking local owners of Las Vegas and if you have ever want to do that, and then not in the artist but in downtown great place to support local shops small is Ferguson's downtown. It's just really awesome. So yeah, I will stop there and let Brad share his favorite things but I know it's kind of crazy. I know people come in for the shows or to see a dowel or whatever. I'm telling you what else do you do in the middle of the day besides sit at a pool? Go to Mob Museum. Okay, go.

Brad Crowell 8:31  

So I really love the Neon Museum. For if you like history, aside from the Bob Museum, the Neon Museum is actually really close to the there it is all of the old signs that were on the strip for all the old casinos all those neon lights that you see. Vegas is famous for they're actually 

Lesley Logan 8:35  

You can get married there. 

Brad Crowell 8:50  

Yeah, you can and also they have tours guided tours. We recommend doing a

Lesley Logan 8:54  

Do the guided tour at the dusk. I think the the when you're looking for tickets, sorry Gaia is trying to navigate her new bed underneath a dry erase board so you're hearing

Brad Crowell 9:03  

So I love I love the I love the Neon Museum. (Lesley: Take it at dusk that's what you're looking for.) Yeah, you want the guided tour at dusk so you can catch it when the sun is setting and the lights are coming on. It's really cool. Okay, I also love food. So I am a big fan of the Chinatown Spring Mountain Road. There are a gazillion restaurants out there. There's Korean barbecue, there's Chinese food, there's Japanese sushi. There's all sorts of stuff over there. (Lesley: Bourbon's and Rye. Good luck my motivation.) Oh, yeah. Really great Steakhouse. 

Lesley Logan 9:08  

They run the bar well, so you can actually get a seat at the bar to eat some food. 

Brad Crowell 9:42  

If you like cheesesteaks. I'm a huge fan of Pops cheesesteaks. And so obviously I'm talking about food right now. But I've been hiking near Red Rock. There's a lot of free hiking out there. It's within 15 minutes, 20 minutes drive from The Strip Um, I'm a huge cactus nerd so go to FLM's cactus garden. Go out to (Lesley: That's free actually.) Blue Diamond and go to Cactus Joe's it's a 10-acre cactus farm out there. What else do I like to do? Honestly uh Lesley and I really love posting up at a bar and drinking while we just (Lesley: We work out at Trailer Hideouts shout out to our friends.) Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 9:47  

And then also for the gym, we work out at the Plaza Hotel and Casino. Yeah, you heard that right. We do. It's a phenomenal jam. So if you're looking for a hotel with a great gym, I would highly recommend that if you want to stay on The Strip, then Aria's gym is actually really great. 

Brad Crowell 10:30  

There are tons of live music in Vegas as well. And it happens all the time. Yeah, so

Lesley Logan 10:35  

You can't go wrong here. And I just want to say as someone who's just shit on this place, I'm forever an eating crowd because I fucking love the city. And there's so much to do. And you can you can, you can, you know, just have some fun, but truly check out what the local owners are doing.

Brad Crowell 11:02  

Yeah. Also PS none of what we just mentioned was actually The Strip.

Lesley Logan 11:03  

No, I mean, I mentioned ARIA I said is a hotel on The Strip for the gym.

Brad Crowell 11:11  

I guess it's true. But like things to do, like there's so much off The Strip that you can do in Vegas. Yes. And so yeah, it's four.

Lesley Logan 11:20  

I love that question. Thanks for letting us like think about what we want to do before the end of the year because we will go to FLM's at Christmas because they actually decorate the the cactus and do Christmas lights. It's fucking amazing. 

Brad Crowell 11:30  

Yeah, it's a good time. 

Lesley Logan 11:31  

Okay, you can send your questions in to the Be It pod. We love to answer them. So whatever you want, obviously, we'll answer anything. So just send it in.

Brad Crowell 11:39  

Okay, now let's talk about Alice Inoue. Alice is a passionate founder of Happiness U where she employs a holistic approach to help individuals find clarity and answers in their lives. She has transformed countless lives by guiding people towards their path to happiness. And Happiness U is the letter U, it's like short for university. Yeah, so

Lesley Logan 12:04  

Yeah, I just love that she. I mean, of course, I'd love this. Giving yourself permission for downtime allows you to be more productive and bring your whole self to the table. Oh, my God, who would have thought? What? If you actually take a break? You could actually be a better person later on?

Brad Crowell 12:21  

Well, I guess I mean, yeah, 100%. But I think what you were specifically talking about was people take a break, but then they're constantly still thinking about their work, while they're taking a break, and they didn't really give themselves permission to take a break. They feel guilty taking a break. Hi, that's me. So you know, I really struggle taking breaks or taking downtime, I feel like I should be working the whole time. And so what you know, this, this is really interesting to me, because it's effectively, like I need to make a, just like, you may have mentioned heard me mentioned this before, but for me, in order for me to sleep, I have to make the decision to go to sleep. If I do not decide to go to sleep, I will not sleep, I will just stay awake, I will actually have a restless night's sleep if I finally do fall asleep. But it's the same thing with taking a break. And I think this is going to be something I'm going to try working in where I'm like, I'm taking a break and I'm giving myself permission to take that break. You know.

Lesley Logan 13:14  

I do this how I did this yesterday. I was like, I am taking a break right now. Because I am not I clearly I knew this break this break is long overdue. And I'm taking it and I'm not gonna feel bad about it. And I literally went and indulge myself an overpriced latte and sat on their bench. I just sat there just sat there just sat and sip my coffee and was like, this is right, this is lovely. This is my life I live. But also just like personal time to be scheduled in like an appointment. That's what she said. And if you know, my, the way I do my schedule, which is like with rocks, glitter, gemstones, like type of scheduling, I am very like one of the rock the rocks that goes in first is your personal time. That would be when you sleep when you wake when you work out like that stuff is really important to me, that stuff I never fail on but sometimes, you know, we've just been trying to get ahead lately, because of our big trips. And I like kind of just did twice as much stuff in the same amount of time that I do half of it. And so you know, I like oh, I actually need twice as much downtime then. So I need to do that in the future.

Brad Crowell 14:19  

Yeah, I mean, you know, when you obviously we like time marches on, right? We only have so much time. Yeah. And I think that you know, living she she was talking a lot about like worry and looking forward and looking back and there's a there's mindfulness, you know, being in the moment being present. It's weird to say that doesn't really I don't even know what that means half the time but like it's 

Lesley Logan 14:48  

I think it's hard if you're like especially like if you're ADHD that's can be really hard or if like there's a lot going on if you're stressed like, it's part of me sometimes gets a little annoyed because some of this stuff. It's like yeah, duh. I've also like worried about my bills, and I'm worried about these things. But I think it's important that like, maybe you take 15 minutes and you and you consciously make the decision to not worry or not focus on the shoulds and actually talked about focusing on the currently I'm lost in the shoulds and so we've had this story dating on and he has this whole thing about should he like, if you just like if you're doing this, because you should you should this because you should you just become a should-head. And that it's like such a dad joke, but it makes me laugh. Like, yeah, so I, she said owning your life, owning your time you create your moments. And I think like, I think sometimes we do a lot of stuff, because we should do it. And we're not actually owning our time to own our life. And it that might mean boundaries, or that might be disappointing people. But it's really important that you take stock and like, you don't have to go 100% the other direction from what you're doing today. You can just do okay, this 15 minutes, I'm just going to focus right now on what I'm doing in this moment.

Brad Crowell 15:55  

All right, well, one thing I loved was her stand on happiness. She said, we create our own happiness based on our perspective, and how we look at situations. And that life is always bringing you exactly what you need. Not really what you want.

Lesley Logan 16:14  

Is that the song like, we get what you need, like, like, okay, keep talking, I'm gonna figure out what the song is called hold on. It's like, don't, you don't always get what you want, no you don't always get what you're right, get what you need.

Brad Crowell 16:34  

Get what you need. Oh, it's so true. That Okay, so I'm just gonna read it again, we create our own happiness. First off, that's interesting. We create our own happiness. Based on our perspective. We create our own happiness based on our perspective. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 16:53  

So you can just change your perspective. 

Brad Crowell 16:55  

Yeah, where was I. A whole conversation about that, and how we look at situations. So the perspective, the perspective on how we look at different things, and that life is bringing us exactly what you need, not what you really want. Right. So, you know, I mean, the genie in the bottle thing, though, the three wishes, Aladdin, all the things. The three wishes were, you know, what they thought they wanted, but it's not really what they wanted, you know, what they needed, you know. So basically, this also comes back to, like, you know, life doing things to you or for you. Right. And that's the thing happened. Whatever the thing is, but it's your perspective of whether it happened to you or it happened for you. That is what changes the way you embrace the thing, because the thing is happening no matter what.

Lesley Logan 17:51  

Yeah, I think like, oh, my gosh, I just think, just think about some of our Agency members and some of the challenges that they're like, still going through and, like, remembering like, one of those challenges we went through this like, would not fucking stop and we're like, What the fuck is going to be over? Like, when am I going to be done with this learning lesson? And the reality is, is that like, it everything we learned from that we will be able to use in our life and how we make decisions in our business. It's not happening to us it's happening for us and even if it's for me to sit there and go, I understand how sucky the situation. 

Brad Crowell 18:25  

What are we what are you talking about? 

Lesley Logan 18:26  

Oh, well, we it took us three years to prove we can own a house that we could we literally are in, right, three years of literally any obstacle. We're like, Okay, we found a doorway through. And I like actually, that was a wall too. Yeah, sorry. And then like, this was just this three years of it. And it was so exhausting. But going through that, and all the things it allowed us to really learn how we set up businesses how to do these other things that for future investments you want to do? Yeah, we are not guessing we are very much we're not going to be we've hit all the walls, we know where they all are now. So we're good. But I think at the when you're going through it, it's easy to go Why am I still on this challenge? Like why is this happening to me? And,

Brad Crowell 19:11  

And we also had a hard deadline, it was super stressful, because, you know, like, there came a point where it was like one of these obstacles would potentially have put us past our contract deadline. And yeah, we had to figure out a way through before the contract was up or we would have lost the house.

Lesley Logan 19:30  

It was like added pressure. Yeah, and it was so I'm not gonna sit here and say that we didn't go it just happened we never said why is it happening to us? Of course, we felt that like there's of course there's a moment like what the, but then it's like, okay, hold on. What there's a lesson to learn here. The universe is not going to be homeless. I've been there three times. So this is all going to work out I'm supposed to get some information. But it's important I think it's okay to feel your feelings you all but you have to then go okay, what what can I glean from this? What should I do? Like, where can I go? You don't have to sit in it.

Brad Crowell 20:04  

Yeah, well, here's why. And this is really interesting. I mean, this was new information for me. In 2008. There, there were studies that were done that indicated that happiness is a learnable skill. Happiness is a learnable skill. So again, she said, we create our own happiness based on our perspective, right? So, in 2008, there the studies were saying that happiness is a learnable skill, that to me, is really interesting. She has this information available on her website happiness, you, I think it's Happiness, the letter U will put it in the show notes. But, you know, she said, practice improves your happiness, similar to learning a sport or a task. Right? And so that I just found really cool. Yeah, really interesting. And she has a whole bunch of practical tools, you know, on her website that you can go through and use, you know, and so one of the things though, she just gave us a practical tip was to reflect on three specific positive events every single day. Three specific positive events every single day, right? And we, we love this, we embrace this fully. We, we have, obviously, for those of you who are in our coaching group, you understand that we have a wins channel, and we 

Lesley Logan 21:24  

on the show, we have FYF on Friday. 

Brad Crowell 21:26  

FYF on Fridays, we celebrate wins inside of our group, because I think we've gotten somehow in this like societally, we've gotten to this, like, oh, you're bragging, you're bragging this, you know, you're arrogant. You're like, all this kind of thing. We never actually take time to look at the good things that have happened to us. 

Lesley Logan 21:45  

I always also like people wait till it's finished. Because like, I remember growing up and like happened for us. Yeah. I remember growing up and like, you know, celebrating when the report card came out, but not actually celebrating like I like, like I actually studied, I actually put in the hard work to study for the test. So like, to me, it's something I'm trying to really change in my life is like, it's hard. It's really hard to recover an overachiever in fact that recovering overachiever really pissed me off yesterday. I have, but like, is like really going? Okay. Like? Is that is the process that I'm doing right now? Am I celebrating that like that I showed up today? And that I did the thing today and that this like, or am I just focused on the result? Because that is not actually happiness. And so it's I don't know, I think it's just really important to just celebrate than and be gratitude and find happy moments throughout the day and not go oh, I can't be happy until I've actually finished. Could you imagine if we didn't allow ourselves to celebrate this house until we bought it three years of just like sitting here not being gratitude first thing? Like, yeah, it's going to be terrible, I know probably wouldn't have had, if I had gotten it, we probably like well, it's not that great anyways.

Brad Crowell 23:04  

Well, so one thing that we instead of agency, if you're in there, we have a moment we have a I need a moment channel. So like, if something goes wrong, you we created a space for you to vent, complain, bitch, moan, whatever you want to call it about the thing. But we have a rule that you have to then go over to the wins channel, and you have to write down something that happened, that is a win for you. And what Alice was saying is focusing on the specifics of what is good, it is going to help you create balance, right? Because we get so sucked into what is not good. We dwell on that thing. And we never actually look at the other side of it. You know, and it might not be associated even with the thing. It might be something completely different. But there is good that is happening as well in your life. And it's important to make sure we're identifying those things, and acknowledging those things. And that's going to help change your perspective about you about life.

Lesley Logan 24:04  

Yep, yep. I really hate when I have to go. I'm so sorry. But you have to go to a win. And then it went two days ago. I'm like, no, no, today got to do it. And at the same time, same time, you don't do it later, same time. Should I show Meredith that I need a moment. Our project manager that I need a moment? No. In our company Slack. There's no I need a moment in my company Slack. So she went to random and she did. She said I need a moment and then she complained about something. And I had I had not been to random yet. I went to wins first and I was like, Oh, I now see why you wrote a win.

Brad Crowell 24:38  

Isn't that funny. I'm a day behind here. Yeah, well, yeah. So anyway, you know, thanks for hanging with us through this. Stick around. We'll be right back and we're gonna get to those Be It Action Items. 

Brad Crowell 24:50  

Okay, so finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Alice Inoue? She said, to schedule yourself in.

Lesley Logan 25:04  

Are you gonna do that? How's it going?

Brad Crowell 25:09  

You're asking me if I'm gonna do that? Yeah, maybe I will. Because she said get to know yourself again. Right. So scheduling yourself and I'm scheduling my lunches, I scheduled in my sleep. But I don't schedule in like me time.

Lesley Logan 25:23  

No, you don't. And although the other day I did see you get up early and do some yoga on your own. Yeah. So I think you should celebrate that.

Brad Crowell 25:30  

Yeah, well, so she said, because we center so much on others that we forget to center on ourselves. Right. And so scheduling yourself out, I mean, it's pretty, pretty, it's a pretty quick and easy thing to do. To pull out your calendar schedule, schedule yourself in, we encourage every one of our OPC members to do this, so that they take time for their own self-practice, schedule yourself in. So I couldn't agree more love that. What about you?

Lesley Logan 25:59  

Give yourself permission to get to know yourself, I feel like this is actually really poignant. And apropo of the time that I'm in, because I feel like we lived here three years. I know some of the street names. A lot of stuff in the business is automated. And, you know, so there's like, I still have a ton of work to do. And I still have a ton of deadlines, but like, I actually do have, like, in the morning, I have like two or three hours just like do my thing. And there's a lot of my morning that I know I love to do. But there's other things I'm like, I mean, if you've been on this podcast that long enough, you probably know, I'm hobby hunting, we're still doing that. We are still doing that nothing is stuck. And so I first of all, I find like, getting to know myself more is because like, we've achieved a lot of our, like, 10-year goals together already. And so it's like, Okay, so what's, what's the next thing like, what? And not like, what's the next thing? Like, I'm not gonna celebrate the moment that we're in, but like, okay, but where are we pointing the compass to, at some point to take another step to? And so I've just been like, doing more journaling and doing more like reading through mantras and like enjoying some tarot cards. And I think it's really important. I think, sometimes I don't know, I feel like some people think that once you know yourself, you know yourself. And I actually think we're constantly changing in where we are. And so we're not concrete, we are constructs. That's what humble, the poet says. And so she said, she asked people like, what do you want? What do you want to be happy? And most people don't know. And I think that that's sad. I know what I want. I know what makes me happy. And I feel very happy in most moments, but just like kind of knowing what I what I want next, where I want to go next. What do I want to like, explore with my time and so yeah, so I think that's a great, great Be It action. It was pretty bold, and it's going to take some intrinsic work.

Brad Crowell 27:55  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember someone asking me a similar question that had me stumped. Like, this was what do you want to be happy? And that one was what's what is enough? Yeah. And I was like, like, in my life in my career, and my vision and my goals, like what is enough? And I was like, I don't know the answer to that. That's weird. So yeah, this is and honestly like to dig into those things you need to set aside that time for yourself time, schedule yourself in. 

Lesley Logan 28:36  

Schedule yourself in. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 28:38  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 28:39  

Thank you so much for listening. How are you going to use these tips in your life? What are you going to do to get to know yourself more and take time for yourself? We want to know. Tag the Be It pod. Tag Alice. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 28:50  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 28:52  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 29:22  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 29:28  

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Brad Crowell 29:31  

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Lesley Logan 29:38  

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Brad Crowell 29:44  

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