Be It Till You See It

Lesley highlights the significance of recognizing and valuing team achievements. This episode illustrates the impact of acknowledging big and small victories, power of community support, and the importance of asking for help. Listen to the testament found in celebrating team milestones and the positive ripple effect it creates. 

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The value of giving yourself credit despite unfinished wins.
• Why asking for support facilitates growth for both clients and practitioners.
• How celebrating collective wins reinforces team spirit and motivates further success.

Episode References/Links:

• The value of giving yourself credit despite unfinished wins.
• Why asking for support facilitates growth for both clients and practitioners.
• How celebrating collective wins reinforces team spirit and motivates further success.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. Oh my goodness, we're mid December, holy frickin molly. I'm sure you're like, it's like, I can't even believe I'm having the time to listen to this. I'm, you're probably listening to this or avoiding other things or in traffic, or maybe you're catching up over the holidays. But Hi.

Lesley Logan 1:04  

Take a moment to think about something you did do this week, which is probably a lot more than what you give yourself credit for. So first, the way this episode runs, it's short. It's sweet. It's all about sharing wins. So you can see what kinds of wins that are out there because you're probably not giving yourself enough credit for what you're doing out there. Right. You're probably not giving yourself credit until like it's a complete, perfect, presented package with a bow on it. Guess what? Sometimes I bet my gifts aren't even wrapped. So my wins can't be either. So I share a couple wins of yours and I share one of mine you can always send your wins into the Be It Pod and we'll share them on the episode. Sometimes it's nice to hear your win later on down the road. Because then you're like, Oh, I forgot I forgot about that. I was amazing that day. 

Lesley Logan 1:43  

So first of all, this one is this one's amazing. This is Kimberly Craig. She's an Agency member for many years she's in Canada and this is like I hope you get this one. So this from her perspective she's she's writing this right? Holy FYF y'all. Sorry this is huge, but I've got to share. On our coaching call yesterday LL gave me some scary tasks to kickstart my fearless dive into 2024. I am far from fearless my friends, but I sent a message to the studio I've been limping along with to tell them I'm done on November 27. Then I sent a request to my sister and two besties the text said my coach suggested to get my face out there that I do a charity class online before Christmas for donations. I'm not sure what to pick but maybe the animal shelter will win, right? I haven't got around to planning anything yet. But I'm solidifying this weekend. I'm I have a couple of asks if you're willing, please, please, please. One, would you at the very least consider being a backup body if very few people participate? Two, would you know anyone who you could share the invite with who might want to do Pilates for a good cause?

Lesley Logan 2:44  

It's not even out there and I'm freaking out I'll be all alone. Well, in about two minutes they got back to me with at least 20 people they know off the top of their heads and the suggestion I fundraise for the rescue. I got my sweet dog Ruby from last year personal connection success story matters to me checks all the boxes for me to be invested. The rescue loves my sister, her daughter and her sister-in-law because they trained dogs for them in the area to be adoptable. But y'all, y'all the super ginormous win here is that little did I know the rescue is huge and operates all over my province. It has over 800,000 followers and not only participate in the charity class, they'll promote the heck out of it too. And my Ruby is so pretty, she'll be one of the one hell of a model. My sister will be here next weekend and plans to take a bunch of pictures for me. So I've got some work to do. This had lifted my spirits and made me feel more positive than I have in months. Please remember to ask for what you need from those who love you. That means our family friends would also LL and the other coaches and everyone else in Agency, you don't have to do everything alone. If it weren't for less his unwavering support and encouragement. I know, I probably have packed it all in by now. But that wouldn't help anyone, would it? Somehow I don't think I'll be alone in that charity class after all. I mean, fuck yeah. Kim fuck yeah that's amazing. I know that the thing is happening this weekend. I'm so proud of you. And this is such a huge one. I love that you helped (inaudible) on this win, so that other people can see that like, just because people are doing things doesn't mean that they feel like they have it all together. But you asked for help. And you got it and you have this amazing community backing you up. 

Lesley Logan 4:13  

Alright, second one. This is from Christine Eshan. She is an eLevate grad and Agency member. And she's got this beautiful studio in a small town and I love I love watching her grow. She met with Kim, another Agency member and they practiced what to say and she loved it and they tried. Would you be open to add another session? And we're able to practice that. And then when she asked a client who was a current client, that person said yes, so now she's got a client who's coming in twice a week because she practiced with Kim way to go. Another win she had is asked another all time favorite client who has taps hip surgery but doesn't know when would you be open to doing some Pilates sessions to maintain your strength and maintain your mobility until your scheduled surgery and she said yes. And then she attended our first (inaudible) with Alex Street, which was amazing and she practiced self-care this week with her own Pilates practice walks and (inaudible) and massage and she's continuing to study for her fall prevention special certification for PT and also to work on a workshop for next year. She loves she also said as always love this community, LL, Brad and thank you Maya for all you do. Christine, you are kicking butt like look at you did all in a week, like you practice something you were brave enough to ask. So often people don't ask and your clients and your, y'all, the people around you they they don't know what you know. So the worst thing you could do could hear is a no. But the best thing is, I guess. And it's actually better for them. Like it's not just all about you. So way to go, Christine, for for putting out there and helping them see that there's things that can help them and you get to be that person. I'm so excited for you. 

Lesley Logan 5:50  

Well, ladies, kicking butt. Okay, my win. So I actually have had a lot of wins this year that we, Brad and I realized we hadn't actually shared with you guys, so I'm going to compile them. Not in a way that makes you think that oh my gosh, you should wait till the win is solidified to celebrate it. No, it's just that some of these wins. I wanted to make sure everything was good. Before I celebrate, it's not just my personal story. It's a team, we have 25 amazing people on our team. And we actually added two new ones, little babies to the family. So congrats to Jai. She's our customer support amazing person, and also does all the beautiful things that you see that we put out. As far as marketing goes. So Jai had another baby is her second. And then Melissa Solomon, she helps me with my eLevate in my podcast, this podcast, they had their first baby so so happy for their families and just happy that they're part of ours. Cambodia was epic, it's amazing, you know that already. But one thing you might not know that we're celebrating a win as a team is that we actually sold a retreat for someone else to use our space, which is the reason why we got the space and like it's actually taken us. Unfortunately, because the pandemic it took us four years longer to do this goal. So it's actually really huge that it happened and we have people interested for next year. So that's so exciting. And you may not know this if you're new listener, but back in March, we actually had to rebuild the entire onlinepilatesclasses.com website was not on the plan this year. Quite the stressful adventure. But we are back to getting this the traffic we had before the crash happened thanks to the people on our team. So that's so exciting, because without the traffic, then we can't help the people that we're here to help. So, so, so excited. 

Lesley Logan 7:38  

And as you know, at this time, we're actually on our winter tour, it is our largest tour ever. We have actually 18 cities, 48 events, like so many people that we get to have an impact with and be in community with. And we couldn't do it without a team and without our sponsor, balanced body, but also without you. So these are some really huge wins. And I just wanted to take some time before the end of the year to actually celebrate my amazing team and what they've done this year. This is just a few things they've done this year, but just really incredible how hard they work. So you guys, if at all at the very least, like just look back at the year ago, oh my god, I did that. Do it now before the holiday chaos happens. 

Lesley Logan 8:22  

Okay, and something that you guys have said you've been loving is that we do a little affirmation at the end. So here is the random one I picked for you. I invite abundance and a generous heart. Oh, that's a good one. That's a perfect time of the year to hear this one. I invite abundance and a generous heart so you want abundance and you want the generous heart but a perfect time of year to have that one. Right up and down five times. Say it out loud. Meditate on it, percolate on it and my loves, you know what, you are so amazing. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 8:49  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 9:20  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:25  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 9:29  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:36  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 9:41  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Revisit the intriguing conversation with Rachel White, host of the Skeptical Shaman podcast and creator of the Totem Tarot deck. This recap episode with Lesley and Brad takes listeners on a fascinating voyage into the world of tarot, intuition, and personal development, dispelling everything from the cult mentality to the myth of a steady profession.

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And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• The changing landscape of careers and the diminishing value of traditional job security
• How to rely on oneself and develop versatile skills
• Constant learning, growth, and making impactful decisions.
• The philosophy of learning from failure and applying it to both personal and professional aspects of life
• Why disconnecting from digital devices enhances mental clarity and creativity.

Episode References/Links:

• Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Message us on - https://opc.me/chat
• eLevate - https://lesleylogan.co/elevate
• Cambodia 2025 - https://lesleylogan.co/retreats

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00

You know being the head of innovation one of the main things that everyone talks about in that is fail small and fail often so that means you're trying a new thing and then you're testing a new thing and you're seeing is it being received well and if it isn't, then you change and you try and different new thing and then if it is received well, okay, how can we make it better?

Lesley Logan 0:20

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:02

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my cohost in life Brad and I dig into the woo intriguing convo that I had with Rachel White in our last episode. If you haven't listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and you'll find it's not a woo-woo.

Lesley Logan 1:16

It's just a one.

Lesley Logan 1:17

It's a one.

Brad Crowell 1:17

It's a one woo interview.

Lesley Logan 1:18

One woo interview that's, you know what, Be It Till You See It. It's a one-woo interview. Never (inaudible) the name of this.

Brad Crowell 1:19

No, we can't name the pod that but I love that as a potential name, one-woo interview.

Lesley Logan 1:31

It's a tagline. We are, we are one-woo interview. Anyways, she's fucking badass.

Brad Crowell 1:37

Yeah, plus, you married a Brad. Hell, yeah.

Lesley Logan 1:40

You guys, it's December 14. And if you're listening to this in real time, and if you're not, hi, it's December 14, 2023. This week people talking about back then. I just was listening to

Brad Crowell 1:50

Back then?

Lesley Logan 1:51

Yeah, well, you never know. So like this session. I listen to podcasts, you guys. I fucking love her. I think we're all friends. Anyways, she read someone's testimonial, kind of a thing a question. And the girl had listened to every single podcast like four plus years of podcasts in a few months. And she's like, I just want to celebrate all the highlights you guys have had. So just in case anyone is going back in time. This is what was exciting back then. So it is December 14 of 2023. And that is More Good Today Day.

Brad Crowell 2:26

That's right. It's more good today.

Lesley Logan 2:28

I didn't even know, is that even correct English?

Brad Crowell 2:32

It's the Day of More Good Today.

Lesley Logan 2:35

Yeah. So the holiday aims to encourage more people to practice kindness and generosity. Jesus Christ, we have to fucking encourage people to be kind and generous. What is the world?

Brad Crowell 2:45

I think it's a universal, like, you know, call to action is what it really is.

Lesley Logan 2:50

I just It doesn't it piss you off that we have to have a universal call to action. Can't we all just first of all, anyone listening to this is already overly kind and overly generous to others and not to yourself. So first of all, more good today you day, like you need to be more good to you today.

Brad Crowell 3:08

For what? I didn't follow any of that. Honestly not. I'm very shocked that this is the response of the day that I picked. I did not expect this.

Lesley Logan 3:17

Ah I guess I'm just disappointed in human beings that we have to have a holiday that says, hey, aim to aim to

Brad Crowell 3:25

It's not a holiday. It's a day that we celebrate a specific thing. Well, it's from the holiday website.

Brad Crowell 3:33

It's from the National Day today.

Lesley Logan 3:35

Yeah. And it says the holiday aims to encourage more people to practice kindness and generousity. I guess it's, technically they are, it's like pizza at National Pizza Day is a holiday.

Brad Crowell 3:45

But here's the thing you can create a holiday up on this website.

Lesley Logan 3:48

You know what? We, okay, everyone

Brad Crowell 3:51

Maybe we should create a holiday.

Lesley Logan 3:52

Yeah, first of all, there's going to be an LL Day. I'm just saying.

Brad Crowell 3:55

There's gotta already be a Lesley Day spelled E-Y.

Lesley Logan 4:00

Book it up? Let's find out. Let's find out. But at any rate, if you are listening to this episode, if you listen this podcast, I promise you we're already kind of generous. You are. I know our listeners. They are already kind of generous to others. So may you take this as a sign as a holiday to be more in kind and generous to yourself. Okay, thank you. I'm sorry, Brad, if I disappointed you or at least shocked you maybe you know what, we've been married eight years. It's important that we have a little surprise in this life. So you guys, we are somewhere.

Brad Crowell 4:36

So there is a day for a Leslie

Lesley Logan 4:40

but it's not

Brad Crowell 4:41

happens to be Leslie Gore. Leslie Gore.

Lesley Logan 4:44

Who is that?

Brad Crowell 4:45

I'm pretty sure she's the it's my party and I'll cry if I want to singer.

Lesley Logan 4:51

There is a Leslie who sang that song. I didn't know. Okay, yeah.

Brad Crowell 4:55

It's my party. It's my party and I'll cry if I want to...

Lesley Logan 5:03

Well, is she alive? We should talk to her. Have her on the pod.

Brad Crowell 5:07

That'd be amazing. I don't know if she's alive.

Lesley Logan 5:10

Yeah. Do you see how kind and generous she has been to herself? Because it's her party and she'll do it the fuck she wants.

Brad Crowell 5:15

Yeah she'll do what she wants. I'll do what I want.

Lesley Logan 5:19

So. Okay, today is

Brad Crowell 5:21

Nope. She died.

Lesley Logan 5:26

I guess we can't have her on the pod. And that means there is room for a Lesley holiday. So let's do it because they cannot say there's already a Lesley holiday because there's not she's dead. Anyway. Hi, listener, if you're still listening to the show. Here's what's happening.

Brad Crowell 5:42

My name is Brad.

Lesley Logan 5:43

I'm Lesley Logan. You probably got that already. Um, we are somewhere. We are probably past Cleveland. And on our way to New York. Today.

Brad Crowell 5:54

Today. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:55

Today. It felt when I said

Brad Crowell 5:57

Actually, you know what? 13th and 14th. We're in the Midwest. We haven't hit Cleveland yet.

Lesley Logan 6:00

I know that on the 13th we are in the middle. Because I just made I just booked a call. And I was like, yeah, CST. Sounds good.

Brad Crowell 6:08

Yeah, actually, we have a day off the 14th. Tomorrow, Cleveland. There's still tickets, guaranteed.

Lesley Logan 6:14

Well, no, we're not guaranteeing that.

Brad Crowell 6:17

But there might be tickets.

Lesley Logan 6:18

We're recording this early.

Brad Crowell 6:18

There might also be tickets and upstate New York, Boston (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 6:24

There could be tickets for the rest of this month we don't know because we're recording this early. And a lot of tickets have been sold, selling out. So, opc.me/tour is the point of this sentence. It's opc.me/tour to get your winter tickets, just so you know, some people are driving five hours to come to class.

Brad Crowell 6:40

Five hours to come hang out.

Lesley Logan 6:40

So I'm not I haven't actually talked to the team about this yet. But if I find out who the farthest person is who drove, drove to a thing, if you happened to fly for being there, it's like lucky, but if you drove you got in the car, and you went out of your way to come on (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 6:41

You chased the van.

Lesley Logan 6:56

You chased the van, I'm gonna get you a fucking sweatshirt make it happen. So hold me to it. You got to make sure you let me know where you're driving from. But if I find out you flew,

Brad Crowell 7:04

You have to let us know where you're driving from.

Lesley Logan 7:06

If I found out your your seeing your family already, and it just happened, no, they've gotta

Brad Crowell 7:10

be opc.me/chat to let us know.

Lesley Logan 7:14

Yeah. Yeah. So also we come back from the tour. I actually go on a little mini vacay with my girlfriends. Shout out to Karina Kelly. They've been on the pod and then we kick off elevate. So if you are listening to this now, and at this point, there's already people who are about to snag some spots. But if you're listening to this now, and you were a teacher who is exhausted, burnt out and like wishing you were more confident and had time for your own practice, and actually knew the why behind the what eLevate is for you. So you're gonna go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. And you just sign up because I only do one a year. One. And I tell people in that's it. Don't beg me in March to join. It's over. You have to wait for 2025. Period. End of story. Boom. All right. Also. Also, in January, we are opening the doors up to Cambodia.

Brad Crowell 8:06

We are this is like my favorite thing in the world.

Lesley Logan 8:09

If you are on the waitlist you are actually going to be, the doors are opening for you first. So if you're not on the waitlist, we're not opening up to you until the waitlist gets their turn. And the waitlist gets the best prize.

Brad Crowell 8:19

Yeah, so actually, you're gonna get a get a legit hookup like, absolutely worth being on a waitlist.

Lesley Logan 8:26

It's like $600 off.

Brad Crowell 8:27

It's like 600 bucks off a ticket. Yep. Yeah. And here's the deal, y'all. We have a maximum room for 20 people and four spots are already taken. How did that happen?

Lesley Logan 8:39

Well, people asked, like, here's the deal. If you're like, I'm going off the grid for January. Get me the fuck on the Cambodia thing, you can get on.

Brad Crowell 8:50

Yeah, just reach out.

Lesley Logan 8:53

If you ask, it's shocking what you can get. It's, it's the most amazing. I didn't know this. My parents didn't tell me that if you just ask for things you might get them. No offense. My mom and dad are probably listening. Hi, guys. I'm just gonna say you didn't ask. You didn't tell me to ask. You just told me to like get A's you didn't tell me to ask and asking is the best policy.

Brad Crowell 9:13

I like it. I like it. Well, seriously, though. It's, as you all have heard me speak about it 50 times if you've heard me talk about it once. It's my favorite thing in the world to do. And I you know, there's nothing more.

Lesley Logan 9:29

We're doing (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 9:31

Yeah, this will be the first time that we're taking groups on two on one new adventure for sure. We explored a new one and the last one that was a hit. We're gonna going to include that now on the norm. And Lesley and I went off the grid last time, and we tried out a new experience.

Lesley Logan 9:53

Also it's an actual water village. I'm just gonna say like the other ones that we've been on. There was some floating houses, but it was also it got a little bit touristy. And I don't like that because it feels like grifting. So I like to actually give back to the people. I like to get back to the actual community. And I think that's a really important first of all you are, you're in their household, you are in their land. So it's okay to learn, but also like we there should be a give back and the grift just didn't feel like the money was going to the people. So we actually found a new village where there are no tourists. It's true. It's true float.

Brad Crowell 9:57

There are no tourist.

Lesley Logan 10:29

Zero. It's true float. And there's this incredible shop that we can take you to where you can actually buy what the locals there make so they actually get to work remote. You all, people been working in the water villages remotely for their entire lives. The U.S. and Western countries like we're working remote. It's like it's new. Yeah, these ladies are kicking ass, they have been working remote in their floating houses built like creating water hyacinth products. And we have always brought them to our attendees to see but now we can actually take you to where it's happening. It's super, super cool. So we can actually support the actual community in a really big way, which is (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 11:13

Plus we get to see how they live.

Lesley Logan 11:15

You get to see how they live, and, and like, do y'all know that the cats are also on the floating houses?

Brad Crowell 11:21

They have gardens on floating, on the boats.

Lesley Logan 11:23

Well, here's the thing where do cats and dogs go in the bathroom? This is my big question. I'm just wondering, at any rate, they are there, there was kittens this last time and we went into an over 100-year-old temple. You cannot drive to it. You can only float to it. Yeah. So anyways.

Brad Crowell 11:40

Come join us.

Lesley Logan 11:43

Four spots are done. That's 1/5.

Brad Crowell 11:46

Lesleylogan.co/retreats with a S on the end to get on the waitlist and get the info about that hookup in January.

Lesley Logan 11:53

In January. My birthday. It's for my birthday. It's my gift to you. More gifts for you today. Apparently, on the LL Day. Let's do it. Okay, let's make my birthday the LL Day.

Brad Crowell 12:04

The LL Day.

Lesley Logan 12:05

Yeah. Um, before we go into our interview with the amazing Rachel, the skeptical shaman. Skeptical. Skeptical. How do you say it?

Brad Crowell 12:13

You got it.

Lesley Logan 12:14

Skeptical? Sounds like it's missing a syllable, Shaman. Um, we are going to answer an audience question.

Brad Crowell 12:21

We are, it's going to be a good one. All right, Lesley, what Pilates exercise are you currently working on?

Lesley Logan 12:30

Oh, I love this. So we got tagged because this amazing human was working on their big twist teaser off the window chair on the window chairs not off of it, you should stay on, important. And they were like your videos of helping me. And I was like, Oh, my God. That's amazing. And I say what Pilates exercise are you working on? And I was like, Oh, that's so fascinating. And I think it's important you hear a whole answer, which is a little long and short. I oftentimes stop working, I stopped doing an exercise I'm working on to work on it. So for example, my my answer to your question was, this particular week, I am actually incorporating more headstands and handstands in my practice. So there are some headstands on the reformer. And there's a hands down the ladder barrel. And I haven't, I took the whole summer off of those exercises, to do other things in the Pilates repertoire, to ready my body for them. So this is something I go over with eLevators and OPC members all the time is that practicing an exercise you can't do over and over again is just gonna make you pissed off. It just is like it's if you're not good at something, doing it over and over again isn't gonna make you go up slain, it's gonna make you feel like shit. So what I do is actually take a break from an exercise that I've been really trying to find a new connection to. And I look at all the exercises that could be in that exercise. And then I do those, and then I come back to it. So I'm proud to say that this week at the time of recording, I'm slaying my headstands and my handstands because I took the summer off from them and I did exercises that would build that strength and stamina up.

Brad Crowell 14:17

This is my philosophy too, y'all, take some time off.

Lesley Logan 14:20

Brad's been taking his so much time off to ready his entire Pilates practice.

Brad Crowell 14:25

I usually take off nine months at a time. I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna baby come back for one week. I'm like, amazing.

Lesley Logan 14:33

Have this Pilates baby over here. So anyways, too, so that was what I was working on. At this moment. Now that we are on tour, I only have access to my mat and my reformer and my winter chair, which is still a lot compared to most, but it's inconsistent. And so what I'm actually focusing on is I have a tendency for my pelvis to be a little bit unstable because I have a hypermobile back especially my lower back, and something that's been pissing me off my yoga practice is I still can't do a handstand 15 fucking years later. So, but also one of the headstands in Pilates is I'm not doing well because my pelvis is unstable. So I am working on I hate saying stabilizing my pelvis because that's a terrible cue, so don't use it. What I am working on is strengthening my center so that it stabilizes my pelvis because your pelvis should move people. It's just that it should move because you moved it and not on its own. So anyways, to answer your question, every day is a different day. And it really depends on what I'm doing. But I tend to avoid the exercise I'm working on and instead, work around it and then check back in.

Brad Crowell 15:49

Yeah.

Lesley Logan 15:49

You should do that too.

Brad Crowell 15:50

That's a great way to do it. I dig it.

Lesley Logan 15:53

If you have questions you want a weird answer to I'm really good at it. You should write them into the Be It Pod. We like to be honest and direct at the same time.

Brad Crowell 16:02

We're really good at that. Okay, now let's talk about Rachel White. From hosting the Skeptical Shaman podcast to creating the Totem Tarot Deck, Rachel offers a grounded perspective on spiritual exploration and how to use your intuition muscle.

Lesley Logan 16:20

Yeah, so guys, I was she had me at Skeptical, skeptical. Can I not say this? Am I saying it wrong?

Brad Crowell 16:28

You're saying it correct. But you're second guessing yourself. It's not like skeptacular. It's skeptical. You got this.

Lesley Logan 16:34

Skeptical Shaman. You guys I maybe there's like my second grade self, which was like send a speech therapy is like traumatically coming back. The Skeptical Shaman. She had me at that because I was like, okay, hold on a minute. Also, like, I have a hard time when anyone calls himself a shaman. Like, yeah, I'm like, are you like, but anyways, we don't get into it. Um, so I read her stuff. And I was like, oh, fuck, yeah, I'm in. Right. And she's also I love her. She's direct. And she's honest. And she doesn't smoke her own shit. She like is like literally like,

Brad Crowell 17:10

She's corporate AF. Like, she sat down. I saw her sitting there. And I was like, I think I'm in a board meeting before the pod started. And then I listened to her talk. And I've I've

Lesley Logan 17:22

You were not in a board meeting.

Brad Crowell 17:23

No, it wasn't meeting after listening to her. And I but I but what I I was laughing because that's she clearly has both sides of the coin. Right? And so we jokingly refer to it as one woo. You know, we're not woo-woo, we're just one woo. And so I really appreciated her approach because her her skepticism

Lesley Logan 17:47

That's a great word. I'm gonna use that one.

Brad Crowell 17:51

Wow. All right. We're just learning new vocab words over here. Her skepticism. I appreciated it. A lot. You know, listening to her. Talk about control. Listen to her talk about using How do you use? What are tarot cards? How do you use them? How do they impact your life? Like listen to her talk about okay, not knowing the answer. I was like, fuck yeah, this is amazing.

Lesley Logan 18:18

I love that you say tarot like we're renting a car from someone. They're tarot cards.

Brad Crowell 18:23

Tarot, tarot cards. What did I say?

Lesley Logan 18:26

You said tarot, which is like how you rent a car from someone. Yes, you did. Oh, replay this back. Anyways, um, I so okay. One of my favorite things we talked about was like, I think we brought up like, I was like, the cult thing got in there. She's like, if anyone tells you this is the only way it's like, run the fight. I was like, I'm in, already loving you. But I do love that she has had a whole life and career. Yeah, in the non-woo world. Because I think it actually allows her to take her intuition. And then also work with people who live in that world. Like, not everyone gets to, like, you know, do tarot cards all day.

Brad Crowell 19:12

Well, she talked about at the beginning, she said, I always consider myself open-minded. So that mean meant I had to be willing to learn about something that I wasn't familiar with. And so I think that was kind of the beginning of what took her down the path that she's in today. Yeah. And I agree.

Lesley Logan 19:28

Yeah. So anyways, so many thanks.

Brad Crowell 19:31

Great things.

Lesley Logan 19:32

There's you guys go just go to the full episode. Especially like if you're like I'm not into tarot, you guys, you don't have to be in a taro. We're not. But I draw card all the time.

Brad Crowell 19:41

Yeah, we got our deck, right.

Lesley Logan 19:42

Yeah, we totally got our deck.

Brad Crowell 19:43

Yeah it's super cool.

Lesley Logan 19:44

I actually really love it because it's simple and easy. Yeah, you draw the card. I just draw a card today. Like I'm like, What is the thing like she said in the podcast, like just draw a card and then like, see how the day happens and then you can, it kind of goes into honing that muscle of like you pick up on things because it goes back to The reticulating activating RAS, RAC, our reticular activating system, where your, your brain picks up on evidence for which you wish to be true. And so it's so fun is I have her deck and I have another deck that I love. And I've been alternating between the two. And it's so fun. I don't

Brad Crowell 20:20

or it's cool because it's got the book, a little booklet and the booklet explains what the card means, you know,

Lesley Logan 20:25

And she's working on another deck

Brad Crowell 20:29

For me, you know, not really understanding tarot cards

Lesley Logan 20:34

Tarot

Brad Crowell 20:37

The, you know, using these cards, it's interesting, because it's kind of like a, it's an inflection reflection on the day. You know, like, because we've done it at the in the evening. It's been cool. It'd be like, hot, you know, how did that play out for me today?

Lesley Logan 20:53

I actually pulled them in the morning sometimes, and I put them on the phone charger, that doesn't work. And I just set them there so I can see them. And I love to pull them when

Brad Crowell 21:01

It does work, y'all, she just doesn't know how to use it.

Lesley Logan 21:05

I also can't say skeptical, but it's fine. Um, so So anyways, I pulled I look at them because sometimes I don't have all the time in the world to journal in the morning. And have drawing a card allows me to contemplate on things and think about it. So when I see it, it's kind of like I'm in air quotes journaling in my mind all day on like on the thing. So it was her cards are great, you gotta get them. But let's go back to what she said. Yeah. Okay. So she said this is so this like, made my life. She said, what she does now is more a steady career. So she was talking about the myth of the steady, reliable, safe job is not safe anymore. She is correct you all so this is why I really enjoy this podcast. It's for everybody. But what she does now meaning she works for herself, she works for herself. And whether or not you think her reading Tarot cards to people is safe or not. Let me just tell you, we talked about this in the episode. For sure Brad and I on any given day, I can rally and depend on ourselves more than I could depend on the stock market more than I can depend on the people I voted in office. More than I can depend on my loved ones. We

Brad Crowell 22:15

Yeah, we can depend on my job that I used to have.

Lesley Logan 22:18

They you used to have, yeah, I was in retail, I was making the store in 2008. When I became a plies instructor, you should know that in 2007, when I took over a store tour of our counter, I should just say was a counter. I transferred from the store that I was doing 1.3 million in sales to a countertop, which was had never broken a million ever. And in the start of the recession, it broke a million dollars. And even then my job wasn't safe. And guess what had I stuck around through 2010 By the end of 2010, I would have been fired. So because it doesn't act didn't matter that was a fucking badass salesperson, boss, manager, retail person that I had a Rolodex of clients who would just spend money when I asked like, Hey, here's these new things. I didn't work for me and I didn't make the business's decisions. And I did not make the decision on where the store is going to be or what sales we're going to do like none of that. And today, I feel like we are more safe than we've we've ever been. Yeah, so. So I really love that she brought that up because whether or not you want to learn about Tarot or shamanism, that is a great takeaway. So I really love that. She also said, listening to your intuition is a really smart move, but you have to develop the muscle first.

Brad Crowell 23:35

Yeah, this is interesting to me, because I feel like just using the word intuition has, like, it's a double Whoo. But if you just tear That's fucking terrible. Wait for it. If you just switch to the word gut, it's a one. Well, it's the same fucking thing. But it's just the it's like the way that we perceive it. You know what I mean? We're honestly, you know, to understand

Lesley Logan 23:58

Who I want to know, who made us think that intuition is bad and gut is okay. Just feels like I know, you know? Well, your your intuition is fucking badass. But you do have to develop listening to it. Yeah. And you also have to, it's a it's a muscle. And she actually gave a great example, because her husband is a chef. Yeah. And she said, if her husband doesn't work on his knife skills regularly, he loses his knife skills, right. So the same goes with your intuition and your gut. And I totally agree with this. Because I'll think back sometimes, like, in April of 2020, our intuition, my gut was like, Buck. Yeah, this is what we're doing. Yeah, to the point where like, even you never doubted me. But you're like, we can't do this. I'm like, we're doing it. Like it was like, this is the line. And we're doing it because my intuition is so on point. And, thankfully, you humor me, but it was true, but like sometimes, like what happened to that gut instinct. It's like, oh, I stopped listening to it. I stopped doing my gut. checks throughout the day. And so she gave us some really good tips on honing that skill and developing that muscle because it's possible that you just got too busy and you stop checking in with it.

Brad Crowell 25:12

Yeah. And, you know, I think that it's interesting to know when to be tuned in, you know, honestly, it's something if you practice on a consistent basis, then you are way more aware of it. Right. But if you're under stress, you're feeling a lot going on in your body. Like all that, like, like, in a in a certain moment, right? It actually might just cause fear instead of like, like, awareness.

Lesley Logan 25:43

Competence, or like direction.

Brad Crowell 25:45

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I just remember, I remember the day being at my job, my corporate job, where I realized, like, something is wrong here, you know, and, and, and that didn't, you know, that didn't sit well with me. But it was like, I didn't pay attention to it. And it wasn't until like, the fucking place was basically burning down, metaphorically, that it was like, I gotta get out.

Lesley Logan 26:09

You know, what's interesting, we did that one thing on mindset a couple weeks ago, we're gonna have the person on the show. Might have to ask him, I'm sure he'll say yes. But he was talking with the feather, and the brick, and the truck. And like, when you had that, oh, something's wrong here. And that was a feather. It was like a little feather touch. Yeah. So is your intuition going? High. But sometimes we don't listen. And then you have to get hit by a brick. Yep. And then some people don't like to listen to bricks, and they wait for the truck to hit them. But anyways, you waited, you listened. So you know it, but it's a muscle and it's can be scary to listen to it. Because it can be unknown. Typically, it is like, yeah, so Anyways, you guys have to listen. It was so good.

Brad Crowell 26:55

Yeah. So I really loved when she talks about, you know, like this, like, how do you listen to your intuition, and then allowing that to be like, in both your personal and professional aspects of your life? Like I've mentioned this before, but my ex was very empathetic. Right? And it was a she had empathy was her strength, oh, empathetic, empathetic, right. So she had this intuition that she was connected to other people, in a weird way, when they would come into the room, she could pick up on things that they were emoting, even if they weren't saying it, right. And we would leave a meeting or whatever, and she says, something is wrong here, or I really trust this person or stuff like that. And, and I, you know, throughout the time that we were together, I began to realize this is powerful, like she actually is tuned in to this really, really well. Right. And so it was something that I began to, to pay attention to. And I think that we can also do that, you know, to ourselves with our ourselves. I mean, one thing that Rachel said that like shifting away from following your gut, she talked about her corporate job, she was the head of innovation at a company. And she said, one thing that she found really fascinating is that you can't, it's not always if something happens in a way that is successful, it's not guaranteed that you're going to be able to reproduce that success. Right?

Brad Crowell 28:38

She said, a lot of success can just never be recreated. And, and what I what I thought was interesting about that is, I don't know, I feel like, the idea is you have to be constantly learning. And in the same way, when you're checking your gut, you need to be constantly learning and staying tuned in, right? Because from from a company perspective, to me, this is like, obvious, because we have tried, we've had major success with some things, and then we try to go do it again. And then bam, it doesn't work. And you're like, what the hell it worked last time. Why didn't it work this time? Right. And so we have to constantly be changing, shifting and growing learning from it. And I think that's, if you can apply that same concept to, you know, your friend group, the people that you hang out with all the time, you know, you know, like taking a step back and looking at it objectively, your family members, even the relationships, like your relationship, you know, is it still healthy, all this kind of stuff? It's, you know, we need to keep learning. We need to keep assessing and learning just to move things on. But one thing I really loved was she she talked about, Rachel talks about trusting her gut with this flower business that this flower essence business.

Lesley Logan 29:55

I love it. Also that word essence can get to wounds but you know what?

Brad Crowell 29:58

Yeah, no, it's like an oil, essence. Like it's a

Lesley Logan 30:02

And there's science around it.

Brad Crowell 30:03

Yeah, yes. 100% I don't think there's anything about like essence, right. But the, you know, she began to grow flowers because she needed to get outside during COVID. And then she had this moment of like, oh, that, you know, I'm getting great feedback from what I just did as a hobby. And I should move forward with this, I should go with this, even though she had pushback from people in her life, who were like, What are you doing? Why are you doing this? You have this amazing job over here, you know, and she decided to keep going with it anyway. And, you know, it was a good thing that she did, you know, as it turned into a full blown business.

Lesley Logan 30:41

I love that. And there's some things that like, I like, I look back at my life, and like the decisions I've made that I'm like, wow, that was hugely impactful. Like, that was one of the that like, change the trajectory of like, my life when I made that decision. And every single time there was people give me pushback, and doubting. When I was moving to LA, I had a ton of people, I think do when I was going to teach Pilates. Like it's a recession. And I'm like, I'm busy. On to say, like, right, I have to quit my job because I can't do both. When I left my ex people like, Are you short, like, sure house all these things? And what I've decided is that anytime that the like, it's not my when my there's a few people whose opinions that matter that I like when they give me pushback, I'm like, I pause before I hit go. But if it's not those people that hear me push back, I'm like, It's a fucking green light. Thank you so much for helping me get my thank you for letting me know this idea of ever done. Because people are just making decisions or making comments based on their fears and their own their own filtration system. It's not with you in mind, and it's not personal. It's not harsh. So I love that she got pushed back, but also went through it anyways, because it is a sign that she like, was like there's something here here like she like it's hitting her gut, but it's also hitting her mind. And like it's talking to her. And it turned out to be a really great decision for her.

Brad Crowell 32:05

Yeah. And also, I don't think it was like a huge buy in, you know, when she first was getting started. And because she talked about, you know, being the head of innovation, the one of the main things that everyone talks about in that is fail, fail small and fail often. So that means you're trying a new thing, and then you're testing your new thing. And you're seeing is it being received well, and if it isn't, then you change, and you try and different new thing and then if it is received well, okay, how can we make it better?

Lesley Logan 32:30

You know, hold on, just repeat that

Brad Crowell 32:33

Fail small and fail often? Yep.

Lesley Logan 32:38

Rachel, if you're listening, you need a shirt. That's great. That should be a tarot card.

Brad Crowell 32:43

Yeah. She actually said fail small, fail early and fail often. Yeah, that's what she said.

Lesley Logan 32:51

That's three fails. That's great. I love a threesome.

Brad Crowell 33:01

We're just gonna leave it at that. All right, so finally, let's talk about those be it action items what bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items. Can we take away from your convo with Rachel White?

Lesley Logan 33:11

I'm jumping in first. Yes, you are strict, full digital. Digital. Wow, I need to go back to speech therapy. Strict fold digital detox. She is taking a very strict digital detox one day a week from everything that I gotta be honest. I do hours on an every day. Also Brad knows because he'll call and like, just doesn't come through. So I hours every day but I don't have never done I've never had a full day when we're not on a plane and then I'm still watching the TV so like this is a challenge for me. I am taking on and 2024 I'm not gonna say it's one day a week but I'm going to try first because you guys to habits you start small. So I'm going to start with small fail early fail often. So I'm going to start with a small I've already done full a few hours nail that. I'm going to go for half a day and I'm not going to

Brad Crowell 34:08

you also have at one point had an A night routine where the phone was in the other room.

Lesley Logan 34:12

Yeah, well you know you want I'm just gonna blame it on fucking Gaia. Love her. Love you. I can't help you. You don't wake up when she barks. So I have the phone back in the room. But I want to I want to get back to all mornings all night. That is a goal. But in the meantime since like I I love her and I'm not wishing her death come early. I am going to try to get you a half a day like why can't Saturday be a good portion of the day without the phone like after I come back from the gym. I'm at home so anyways, I'm gonna try. That's a that's a dedication. So about a few hours to get to celebrate that then I'll add on because that's a habit to me. I think it's genius.

Brad Crowell 34:54

Well, here's one thing I appreciate about digital detox is that you're actually giving your brain time to think, you know, and I started to notice this about two or three years ago, when I got really involved in podcasts and news and you know, all things, I was never really a huge TV junkie, I enjoy a good movie, I enjoy TV show, but I'm not sitting there just watching TV all day. But I listen to podcasts like it's my job. Right and, or books even. And so, at any given moment, I've got my headphones in, and I'm listening to something like if I, if I have to get up and go let the dog in, I'm listening to something, I'll turn it on. If I have to go, I'm gonna go make lunch, I'm going to turn it on. If I'm like, There's no moment where I've given myself that reprieve. And what I realized is, after the after years of doing this, is that I never have creative time anymore, because I don't give my brain anytime for like mulling things over. It's always input input input.

Lesley Logan 36:00

Yeah, which by the way, integration? No, sorry. information without integration is constipation.

Brad Crowell 36:06

Yes. Yes. It is. Well, yeah, so I think that's a that's probably a good habit to, to, you know, begin to explore. My biggest takeaway was really interesting. She said, listen, when you saying yes to everything all the time, you're inadvertently also saying no, to things that you're not even thinking about? Again, it goes back to not giving your time, your brain space to innovate, to be that creative person, but you know, you are, you're always actually saying no to things when you're tight when you're saying yes to something else. You know, and you don't even know what you're saying no to. And so because we all have, you know, we don't have infinite time. You have to prioritize, right? Yeah, one thing that always intrigued me about Google was the 8020 approach, where four days of the week, they are like, here's the here's your job that we hired you to do, and you need to do that job. But that fifth day of the week, is your time to explore and play and be creative. And out of that fifth day of the week came amazing tools like Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Maps, like all these massive tools that are now like the staple of how we think about Google came from the free time. So but you know, what comes you know, what can come from allowing yourself that space? And, you know, same thing like over committing yourself, you're saying no to everything else. So yeah, just thought it was great. I think it's a great reminder and sit down and just talk talk talk with Rachel forever.

Lesley Logan 37:51

I know, Rachel, hi. We hope to see you in a couple weeks. But also, I just, I think that a lot of times you hear like a shaman or a tarot reader or something like that. And you just like, immediately think, oh, my gosh, they live on a white cloud in a white room. And they just, you know, speak some things. She has lived a regular full life, and she is translating things that you actually have access to that cost no money costs $0 to gut check yourself. So you don't even have to get a tarot card to do that. Like you can just, you can practice with that. And I thought it was really cool. So listen to her episode, because she does explain how that goes. And I'm so grateful for you. Yeah. Thank you so much for being here. 302 Wow. Oh, my gosh, how did that happen? Anyways, you are amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for listening and how are you going to use these tips in your life where you want to know tag Rachel, tag the Be It Pod. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 38:50

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 38:52

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Brad Crowell 39:23

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Lesley Logan 39:28

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Brad Crowell 39:31

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Lesley Logan 39:38

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Brad Crowell 39:44

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Rachel's journey on spirituality through tarot and shamanism
• Why trust your intuition in making fulfilling career choices.
• How to strengthen your 'intuition muscle' with regular practice.
• Learn the power of 'allowing' in life's journey.
• Discover how digital detoxes can spur creativity.

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• The Totem Readings Website
• The Skeptical Shaman Podcast

Guest Bio:

Known as “The Skeptical Shaman”, Rachel White is an unusual spiritual practitioner. Blending more than 25 years of high-level corporate innovation and strategy experience with a deep knowledge of the world of woo, Rachel is making waves with the “crystal hippy people” with her fresh, pragmatic take on spiritual development. Rachel is the host of The Skeptical Shaman podcast, the Owner of TOTEM Readings—her Austin, TX-based spiritual practice-- the author and publisher of the TOTEM Tarot Deck, and the purveyor of TOTEM Flower Essences on her TOTEMReadingsATX Etsy Shop. She is also the author of the TOTEM Readings Substack, an engaging community that challenges preconceived notions of what it means to “be spiritual”. Rachel is married to her Chef husband, Bradford, and they take care of their wolf-dog in beautiful Austin, TX. In her spare time, she maintains her organic garden, “researches” micro-dosing, and writes all about the mystical and esoteric.

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Rachel White 0:00

It's not get a crystal ball out and control your entire future. It's the understanding that through doing things you will learn experientially and that you'll be able to incorporate that and hone things or even if you test hypothesis and it's faulty. You've learned something that's a successful experiment.

Lesley Logan 0:18

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:00

All right, Be It Babes. I'm excited. Okay, so I really, I'll be honest, I was like, okay, a skeptical Shaman. I'm a little skeptical about a skeptical Shaman. What does that mean? Are they really skeptical? Are they and they are they being Rachel, why our guest today? I feel first of all, there are so many. There's never been anything that's random. The this the timing of this, this woman being women in our lives and your ears right now. It's really cool. And she said so many gems that have everything to apply that to your life that are not necessarily around tarot, or astrology, or any of that stuff. And so what I whether you have are like someone who's like, oh, a shaman and like that's a turn off for you. Stop, keep listening. She is awesome. She we talked about the journey for her switching careers. We talked about the journey and like being a small business owner in having to make decisions that like not everyone's gonna like, and also intuition and allowing, and there's some stuff on digital detox in there. So this is a really great episode, get your notepads out, have some fun. And then also make sure you check out all of her amazing things, if any of these things intrigue you because I am as soon as I get off this I am. So here is Rachel White.

Lesley Logan 2:21

All right, Be It babe. I'm actually really excited and intrigued by today's guest. I'm not gonna lie. There are certain things I've dabbled in as a one woo girl in this world, and I do have some crystals. But I also like to think of myself as like pretty logical about some things. And I, I do have some tarot cards, but I also am like, okay, but like, and so when today's guests came across my plate I was like, oh, well, I've always been a little skeptical about a shaman. So why not have Rachel White the skeptical shaman in our, in our group today? So will you tell everyone who you are and what you do?

Rachel White 2:57

Of course, yeah. And it's funny because people see skepticism as inherently in opposition to spirituality, but I don't and I think what how you just described yourself is, personally what I perceive most people are, and they're very underserved by the crystal hippie people and I also have crystals. But you know, there's a certain archetype. So yeah, I'm Rachel White. I own a spiritual practice called Totem Readings. And I have a new podcast called the skeptical Shaman. And the whole basis of the show is conversations with all different kinds of people, cynics, skeptics, true believers, different faith systems, you know, some of them seemingly quite crazy. Like I had a Catholic exorcist on, I thought that was an interesting discussion. Because to me, curiosity and skepticism are like they're two sides of the of the discernment coin. You don't get anywhere without being curious. And as a part of curiosity, you're like, and what's in that? What's this? And what really is that? And most people prefer to navigate life that way. And yet, when you enter the world of Woo, sometimes people make you feel like it's very binary. Like it's all or nothing, you know, and it's just not the case. I'm glad you're doing it the way you're doing it.

Lesley Logan 4:14

Thank you. I'm always here for the affirmations. Those are my love language. But I, I think I love that you point that out because so I live in Las Vegas, which I think is a really interesting place to live. It's got lots of little there's something for everybody here for sure on any side of any coin, but I remember going to this one event, and going they were speaking in a language that I heard the words I heard them they are all words that are like in my English vocabulary, but the order in which they were coming out I was like, What are they saying? And I kind of just felt like, it's like but I I love breathwork I love my crystals. I love a new moon. I don't understand what you're saying and I was like maybe this isn't my place or I think it your to your point like sometimes some places are very it's very binary. You're all in or you're not? And I'm like, no, no, I still have to go into my world where I pay mortgage. The credit card doesn't care if Mercury's in retrograde.

Rachel White 5:10

If a teacher, a spiritual teacher, a coach, anybody is working with you, but they're not empowering you to make it pragmatically actionable in your life, and making your life better, whatever that looks like, they're not really doing much for you. It's a bunch of gobbledygook and what you just described as something that's referred to as word salad, just so you know. And it's designed to make people feel kind of stupid, like maybe they don't understand. And it's a disempowering, gatekeeping mechanism a lot of the time and I spent over two decades in corporate outsourcing and real estate, by the way, as I was working on totally off the side of my desk, and this one, I'm going to say next holds true for business, for corporate, for spirituality. If someone can't explain something to you, and human scaling, words you understand it, it's a bit of a red flag, they may not understand it, they might be trying to spin you out and like snake charm you or they want to sound really smart. And they want to condescend to you, because most people that are good communicators, they just cut to the chase, you understand them.

Lesley Logan 6:12

Yeah. Okay. Love you and that for all of that. So, I want to go back to like, first of all, because you just said you were in real estate, and you were doing on site. How did you get into this? Did it find you? Were you like, yeah, like, what, what was the what was like, I'm ready to leave the corporate world. How did that go?

Rachel White 6:32

So I was like, most people I know who are legitimate psychics, mediums, whatever you want to call it. And by the way, don't get hung up on all that it really kind of doesn't matter. I was very psychic. And then I pushed that to the side became a pretty smug atheist. Right? So I just like logic, I like things that make sense. And a lot of what I saw in religion, so I grew up Catholic was like, very tail nonsense thinking it just, you know, they were using a lot of thought-terminating cliches, and no one was using a lot of critical thinking. So I, you kind of threw the baby out with the bathwater. And then I had an experience that sent me into exploration mode, because the whole point of like, if you're curious, and you're skeptical, you have to let in new data, even if that new data's Woo, that's a part of it. And I was like, I have to reframe things I was wrong. Right, I have to add new stuff to my repertoire. So I studied it, studied it, and then started just doing it off the side of my desk seeing clients on weekends, I'd always read tarot cards. So that was sort of the first thing I brought in, to my practice, which people don't think of is classically shamanic. But it is divination is a part of it. And then in March of 2020, transitioned to doing this work full time and it's funny, corporate real estate is not doing well. And it's one of those areas where intuition should serve you. And I just saw the writing on the wall, like and it wasn't just COVID trust me, it's not just office spaces and people working from home, there's a whole bunch of things going on. And it would have been misery the last three years, I think. And so, you know, fault like pulled tarot cards or kept getting the death card, which is not bad. By the way, it just means like, let it go. It's dead. Everybody tells you you're dead. It's time to lie down. And it's scary as a rational person to I have moments less so now. But like last year, I'd be in the backyard go like, Oh my god, I make my living. I'm a tarot card reader. Like, what did I do? You know, and you'll have those little, and they go real fast. And they leave as quickly as they came. But it's a wild experience. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 8:35

Yeah, I understand that I am. There's like, certain times in my life, I can tell when I truly listened, like to the intuition to these like, like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But I do feel like the more we listen to our intuition, the more psycho we all are, you know, we just often don't want to or, or a lot, we, we pull ourselves out the way we tend to talk ourselves out of that intuition. Maybe someone told you, you know, you were wrong sometimes. And but the reason why we even live in Las Vegas right now, is because of one of those moments in 2020 when someone said something, and my gut said something and I was like, oh, it's time to move. And if you hadn't, if we hadn't moved then I while I'm sure we would have done something else amazing. We would not be exactly where we are today. Because we could a month later we could not live in the neighborhood that we're in right now. We couldn't have afforded it. We couldn't have made that switch as I'm a Pilates instructor. Like, you know, when you're like when you like, strip away all the things that make us who we are, you're like, and the title of this thing that I do is not something that people would think is a reliable, right.

Rachel White 9:42

But what is the reliable job now? And that was the other reason I transitioned. So most of my clients are like high functioning executives, business owners, lawyers, professionals, you know, whatever it is, and there's so much turmoil and churn in the workforce across industries. geographies I have clients all over the world. And the new thing, I had a client, she works at a very prestigious technology company and is quite high up there. She said, I understand now that the side hustle is the hedge against the market. And for her, she's an astrologer really. And she's like, it would have seemed insane to me a couple of years ago. And now I'm like, that somehow feels more steady than even where I am. Because there's no more rules. By the way, her coworker was let go via email giving birth on maternity leave, which is illegal, you know, labor law wise, they don't care anymore.

Lesley Logan 10:35

They're like, well then fight us in court, because that's probably cheaper.

Rachel White 10:37

And she's a top performer just won a big award. And it didn't matter. Because it's not it's not a meritocracy up is down. It's a lot of chaos. So what I would say to people is the myth of the steady, reliable, safe job, it's not safe anymore. Number one, you know, doesn't mean you have to be crazy, like me and do what I do for a living. But getting into something that is a passion, even if it's just a hobby for a while getting certifications, exploring other things, developing skills, listening to your intuition in those areas. It's it's a really smart move, actually.

Lesley Logan 11:12

Yeah, yeah. I love that. Thank you for sharing that. And we don't have to go off on this tangent. But I was talking with a girlfriend of mine, we both bought a house in the same year. And the amount of proof like, I was like, buying your first house is like the hardest thing you've ever done when you work for yourself. And I'm like, I've been working for myself for 15 years, excuse me, bank. If anyone can prove they can make money and be consistent look at me, I there's no guarantee that if I had a regular job, I would still have it for all of those 15 years, no way. But every single day, the bank's like, oh, we prefer the person who's working for a company, this person who's working for themselves, and it's, it can be infuriating, and frustrating. And luckily for me on most days, it lights a fire under my ass. But like, let me just show you, let me just prove you a difference. Not that they're paying attention. But I'm like, let me just prove you that you don't know what you're talking about. Because I can bet on myself every single day, when I can't bet on an employer that I've had.

Rachel White 12:10

You can't anymore and part of the work of developing intuition and getting to know yourself that way. Because I do think it's sort of a perishable skill up to a point, like my husband's a chef, right? And if he doesn't cook, if he's not doing these on plus, and practicing his knife skills they dull. And I do think like using intuition and developing that muscle memory with it throughout life so that you're ready for those moments, you're ready for like the buying of the home and that challenge or you're ready for the corporate layoff or whatever the crazy thing is that's coming. It's not the first time you're like, doing a gut check.

Lesley Logan 12:50

Yeah, okay. So yeah, can I ask you? Because I'm sure our listeners, my listeners, like they're like nodding. And they're like, okay, but as the perfectionist and overachievers we tend to attract on this show, what are some signs that they is their intuition that's talking to them and not like someone else's story that they've picked up?

Rachel White 13:10

Right? Yeah, the the number one thing I do, and this might not be for everybody, but there might be a version of this, anyone listening to this convert this two year thing? I pull a tarot card. And tarot doesn't tell me what to do. It doesn't tell anyone what to do. And you know, I have my own deck and all of that. And even then I go, No, it's meant to facilitate your own work. And I will pull a single card in the morning for several days at a time, if I'm handling sort of a situation or assessing options. And I go to look for the consistency in the theme. And what it triggers in me like my you know, when you take standardized tests, they always tell you their first answer you think of is usually the right one. Yeah. And I take that direction. And then the other thing, the second layer of that is how much of this is fear. And frankly, using logic. So like, let's say, let's say I stay where I'm working, right? Let's follow that thought exercise all the way through. How much am I in control? Like how much safer is this really, and getting really objective about it, even writing it down on paper, really thinking through it. And then the third layer, which is a little bit more shamanic, because we're disturbed people is, you know, one day I'm gonna die. And that's sort of it seems morose. But it's actually a great way to prioritize what you're doing and what's fear versus what is excitement and how to assess all that. And I can honestly say, I'm 40 right now. I'm gonna have, at least on my trajectory right now, probably very few regrets in terms of, you know, I don't think I'm gonna feel like I didn't take risks that were meaningful, if that makes sense. And just doing like, letting yourself do things. I know so many people go, well, I wish I could write a book, but I have a job and I'm like, everybody's got a job. I got a job. You can still write a book. You can like these things. You can do them. It It's okay. But I'm also not one of those people. You know, there's so many life coaches that say crazy shit. And one of the things I'll hear from people is they go well, I was told that if I don't quit my job, the universe won't give me my next thing. And I'm like, no, no, no make money until you figure it out. What are you talking about? Yeah, that doesn't show up when you just empty your calendar.

Lesley Logan 15:21

Yeah, no.

Rachel White 15:22

That's wild.

Lesley Logan 15:23

Yeah. Yeah, I, I, you know, that like, leap, and the net will appear. And I was like, I like, yeah, there are some things like I do joke that like, I do a lot of things. Like I'm on a, like a roller coaster. And I'm doing it scared like I cuz yeah, I don't know, the other side of things. But I remember like, I think it was Brene Brown, or somebody she was talking to said, I hate that line. I kind of think of it like, what would I would I be willing to do this, even if the net didn't appear? And like, that's kind of an easy, because it's like, if I'm not willing to do it, if the net doesn't appear, maybe, maybe I'm not there yet. But if I'm like, you know, I gotta do it anyway, no matter what happens, that's something I have to experience, then you know, you're not going to live your life with with, with regret.

Rachel White 16:07

And that's a passion. And that's intentional. But people being like, I don't know what it is yet. But as long as I got this job paying me money, I'm not going to find out. I'm like, I don't know that. That's how the scavenger hunt works. Right? So there's a happy medium. And, you know, I started a podcast, and as you know, it costs money. No, yeah. Right. You have to have a little bit of faith that something works out. The biggest predictor for me is just do I want to do it right now. It's because I touch that intuition muscle a lot. And I go, I call it like, which five, you get which five of that stuff. And every time I've just done it, and it has that almost a somatic physical feeling to it. It always works out. And so if you practice this, you'll learn and you get more comfortable. And generally speaking, people are good at something, they can recreate that success. You know, if they're successful in a relationship, and then, you know, something happens, they can have another great relationship. Same with businesses. Yeah. creative projects.

Lesley Logan 17:04

Yeah, I agree. And I think like, even when I'm just hearing you say is like, you the questions you ask yourself, when you pull a card, these are things like, is, anyway, you can do it as a journaling thing, you can do it as like a talking to yourself thing, but it's kind of like it's not, it's getting like a 30,000 foot view, and being a little bit more cynical around yourself versus like, like, it's not talking to another friend to get your intuition. It's being with yourself to get your intuition muscle.

Rachel White 17:34

Listening to the fear, you know, one of the gifts of like, tarot or a lot of these modalities is you'll pull a card, in my case, it was the death card. And at the time, my, my deck was a prototype deck. This is my version of the death card, which is Anubis, it's the Egyptian God of death. And I, I would tell myself, like, okay, that's really interesting, that's a big card, and you don't judge it, you just kind of sit with it. And people can journal or I always like to see how the day goes, how I'm feeling what I'm noticing around me, and there was a massive reorganization at work, they were trying to get acquired by another big company I used to work for before that. And so you'll, you'll pull the card, and it might seem silly in a vacuum, right? That little noise in your head will be like, well, it's just a random card. And then you observe what's manifesting in reality, and you okay, that's not that random writing's on the wall. And, you know, using it as, as a means of getting access to your own spiritual data, is how I look at that. And, you know, pulling a card at the beginning of the day, even when you're not in a situation, living your day, coming back and looking at it, and reflecting on how that manifested for me. So you build your own language with cards, or runes, or whatever you want to use, it doesn't really matter.

Lesley Logan 18:43

I mean, I think like, it kind of goes even into the idea of like, we see evidence for which we believe to be true all the time. You know, like, if we want to our goal, our whole brain is like, Let me prove myself right. All right. And so what it sounds like you're doing is like, in a way of, like, deliberate intuition is just is like kind of putting a piece of evidence out there and then allowing the day to unfold and just seeing how we interact with evidence or how that like, what is it coming back to and then reflecting on the end of the day, I can't think of a better way to come up with your like, develop your intuition muscle or spend time with yourself. Because I feel like you get to end up being through your day more present as opposed to the day happened to you.

Rachel White 19:23

And it's not a bunch of work. It's not you know, doing DMT in Bali, or like, you know, it's a minimal requirement because most of the people I work with and myself we're busy, and I'm not one of those people where you have to like give an arm and a leg and do all this crazy. It's because it's like a diet. If it's not sustainable you're gonna have a hard time. Yeah. And it's in the sustaining of it where you're really going to get that that value right. And yeah, pulling a card Carl Jung love taro and my deck is very archetypal and Yang Yin and he would use it with his clients a bit like a Rorschach but around archetypes and a way of just getting you out of your own myopic nonsense and going like, Oh, that's interesting. I don't understand that. And then living your dang going. I totally understand that now. Yeah, I understand why that showed up. Yeah. And then next time, maybe a year from then you pull a card and you go, I know what's gonna happen today. Yeah. And you have that confidence. And it's rooted in. I mean, it's not a scientific experiment, right? But it's like, a little bit of a control experiment. You can run in your own life, you have a hypothesis, and you test it.

Lesley Logan 20:27

Yeah. Okay. So I'm kind of now I want to know, at what point does somebody go I need? I need a skeptical Shaman. I need it. Like, how? Why? Like, like, because because you do have cards. So I could just use your cards, like, at what point in my life? I need someone like you in my actual life regularly? Or is it? Is it just a moment in time?

Rachel White 20:51

I'm sort of notorious for not wanting people that come back a lot. And so I took my time building my practice on purpose, because I set certain intentions. And one of them was I don't want to be one of those people who's like, I need to see you every week. Yeah, the cards stay the same. I had a client push on it during COVID. And finally was like, You know what, it's fine. Come back in. Because just a few months after reading, I usually tell people to wait like eight, nine, twelve months. There's other stuff you can do. There's stuff you can do on your own, right. But for a Tarot reading, it's a snapshot for quite a quite a bit. And she came in with all the same cards, and they just slightly moved and she had had a picture and she goes, now I know why you didn't want me to come in. I said, I don't want to take your money twice for the same information. And also as a practitioner, no offense, it's boring. To tell you the same story. I like to meet with people when the tectonic plates have shifted, and there's something new and that's fun work. So a lot of people reach out when they're at a bit of a crossroads. Not like an intense one always but just like I don't know, I have a job. I don't love it, or I got laid off. But I don't know what I want to do. I don't want to get back in the same industry or maybe I had a breakup but I'm meeting people it's not clicking. Some people really want to go deeper into the spiritual work like soul's purpose. You know, what's my sort of mission for being here spiritually? So I do like Akashic Record, work and some channeling work and we get their their guides in, which is a little bit more of a shamany thing versus just a straight up you know, telepathic clairvoyant, psychic thing. I always joke that I, I stay out of the way, I'm just a broker, and other people come to the meeting. That's sort of how it works. And so yeah, and from my practice, I work with what I call, it's sort of a joke, but it's accurate, the spiritually homeless, like, they know there's something going on, they've had experiences, but also they're not they're not buying everybody's bullshit all the time. And, and so they want someone who's just going to kind of talk straight to them. And who's going to say, I don't know, sometimes like my if my, just yesterday, someone asked me a question. I had a big event here at my place in Austin. And I said, I don't I don't know they go, What do you mean? You don't know. I said, I honestly, I don't know the answer to that question. It's interesting. Yeah. And she was so like, taken aback. Like was willing to say, I don't know, just honest. I love knows everything. That's crazy.

Lesley Logan 23:08

I love that though. Like every, like, there are certain things you've said, I'm like, thank God she's not a cult leader, okay, okay.

Rachel White 23:14

I don't ever want that kind of pressure. I'm the least likely to be a cult leader. I'm so funny. To the point of clients are like, hey, what about this? And like, I don't know, did you Google it? I get so exhausted with that. And I don't need that kind of attention. It would drive me nuts. I was a people manager in corporate. I'm good on that experience for the rest of my life. I mean, I like people as individuals. I love those little sessions, you know, the event, you know, hanging out with my friends who were practitioners was great. Yeah. But it's i that is an interesting psychology.

Lesley Logan 23:47

I know. That is I but I, but I hear you because like, so I used to be a teacher trainer for like new teachers and Pilates. And I really at the time, I really wanted to be that like, I really wanted to have that experience. I saw something I mostly wanted to recreate a better experience for every other teacher, because my first time was not right. And then after about six years of that, I was like, you know, I'm good on that. Like, they ask a lot of questions. And you do need to have an answer because they are new. And they yes, they need that. And I got to a place where I'm like, I I don't I don't want to have to be that for you. I really want you to be able to like grow and bloom and so now I have a mentorship which took me I dragged my feet and I team and my coach was like you people want this from you. They want to learn from you. You've had an exposure, I decided with one of Joe's Pilates clients. So I'm one of the few people out there who is close to the source supplies that that it's out there and I'm not crazy. So and I'm kind and I'm me. So I dragged my feet because I was like, Well, I don't want it to be like it's this way. This is the answer. I really want and I really want people to be able to come and explore the infirmary question that I have and then integrate it the way they want. And that was interesting. So I feel really good about that. But sometimes people have signed up and they're like, Well, can you just tell me the answer? And I'm like, so it's not black or white. There's actually, what do you think of it? And it's so interesting, because like, people can want you to be that for them. And you're like, No, no, I'm really good. I think can be hard, because of course, I want them to get the experience that they want to have. But I can't be the control for them. They have to figure that out themselves.

Rachel White 25:30

Right. And you're actually doing the ethical thing, but it is a harder stone. And it's funny, my joke all the time I sell against myself constantly, right? Yesterday, someone said, your your spiritual transformation coaching program, it sounds really fun. I said, Oh, it's it's not fun. It's spiritual transformation. And three of my clients that are in the program right now, and it's all individual work, but I do it like at the same time, we're here and they started laughing. And the woman was, well, they look really happy. I go, Yeah, but that's like, crazy happy. So that's another, you know, this is disruptive work. Ultimately, it's very good for you. But it's, it's not a spa. And you know, and what's funny is people will be intrigued by that. And then I don't have to manage weird expectations that were off pace or whatever, you know, spiritual work, you're gonna see some things and feel some things that are that are really intense, you know, and not all the time. But like, if that's you dipping your toe, and there's a bit of that at the front end. Yeah, for sure. And we're not all like vending machines, have answers, right? Like, there's a thing in our culture of like, I put the dollar bill in, and I push F-six to get the

Lesley Logan 26:39

twig. I do that. If you are listening to it. That means you're too young for this podcast.

Rachel White 26:45

Oh, yeah. And you probably eat healthy, and I used to be a garbage. I was a raccoon I would eat out of vending machines all the time. Oh, yeah.

Lesley Logan 26:53

Are you kidding? I mean, I grew up poor. And I feel like

Rachel White 26:56

me too.

Lesley Logan 26:59

So yeah, I love that you brought that up? Because I do. It's funny. It's not. I feel like it's just generations of like, just get the right answers so that you like because it would be embarrassing. You'd embarrass the family. If you're wrong. You're embarrassing yourself if you're wrong. It's it's a failure if you don't have it right the first time. And I feel like only in the last like, seven years of my life maybe really five have I really understood that. It's like, it's actually really cool if I get the wrong answer. And in my business, of course, I want to make money, I got bills to pay, we got this mortgage now. But we learned so much more from the things that didn't go right in a project than we do when they like, like we had an event do so fucking amazing in May of 2020. So that's why we bought this house we like literally made a downpayment in a weekend. It's what entrepreneurs dream of right? And we have never recreated it. And I in trying to recreate it, we've learned so much. But from that I'm like luck and prepper like preparation met opportunity at that time people and may have wanted the information I had. And so the timing of what I did was exactly right. I couldn't have done it. If I wasn't prepared, of course, but we couldn't, there, you can't just recreate that, that extreme moment, you have to you learn more from the mistakes.

Rachel White 28:19

And it's funny because you know, coming from corporate, I was an innovation director. And, you know, when you study innovation, you realize a lot of it can never be recreated. And it doesn't mean you're failing. And sometimes you can have the best idea, and everything lines up and nobody signs up. And other times you could have kind of a throwaway thing that just boom, and then other things come from it. And it's not an indication of your personal failure or achievement one way or the other always like being prepared, being organized, being professional, that's those are the variables you can control. So those should always be controlled, but the rest of it part of it is allowing. And that's a really hard thing for high functioning driven people. And I'm one of those I'm a workaholic. Um, it what it really is, is a false illusion of control. Like if I work enough, somehow I can control things you can't like, you don't think about it consciously that way. But that's really what it is, and being honest with yourself about it. And one of the reasons we had this event, I didn't charge anyone anything, it was a party, literally like you're invited my house. We're going to feed you My husband's a chef, here's some drinks, we make drinks out of the flower essence mother's because I make flower essences and had a party. And people were like, well, why are you doing this? There's like it's Equinox. And you know, tomorrow's Yom Kippur? We're happy Yom Kippur or whatever. Like, yeah, because it needed to happen. I don't know why. Yeah, and we'll see. Right. So I'm learning to like shake, move energy, like move chi sometimes just for the sake of moving it.

Lesley Logan 29:53

Okay, so I love everything you just said there. I can't wait for Brad. My husband will listen to this and then we're going to talk about you on the next episode.

Rachel White 30:01

(inaudible) to Brad's, by the way.

Lesley Logan 30:02

I saw that I saw that, yeah, and my loves to cook. He's not an act like not an actual chef, but like, loves to cook. And so He's a chef in our household because I'm not cooking. But I love that you brought up allowing, and I'm wondering, like, can you go into that a little bit more? Because I do think that that's something that especially the women Listen, this podcast probably need to do more of I think we all probably need to, but

Rachel White 30:28

I need to do more of it, too.

Lesley Logan 30:30

So yeah, what are you doing to allow more because I,

Rachel White 30:34

The big thing, my big case study that gave me permission to do more of it was the flower essence project, which wasn't a flower essence project. Initially, it was COVID lockdowns in Chicago, Chef husband at home. You know, in Chicago, you're not a house, there's not a yard and you're at the time we weren't allowed to go to parks, right? You don't have a large game.

Lesley Logan 30:56

was in LA at the time. There you go. 500 square foot apartment. So I know your life. And we could not go outside.

Rachel White 31:03

But I had so where we lived, we had a private balcony and a private roof deck because we were on the top floor. And you got that with our unit and you paid for it. But we were busy. We never used it. And then I had a meditation center in Oak Park, like, right to the west, where we lived in the west loop that had a private roof deck. And I said to my husband, you know, I gotta get outside. I'm gonna freak, I'm gonna freak out then. So let's plant some flowers. Let's do something. And it literally just came like that attached to nothing else. So we did that. And then because I'm kind of an asshole, and I can't just have a hobbyist, like, we should make flower essences. You know, there's things that I buy and that we take and, and so he's a chef, and we're like on Google, you know, making our being busy. Did it and then I was like, you know, I wonder what it would look like if I put like a totem label, literally just pure sort of play. I kind of gave them out as gifts to my friends. They loved them. And then my husband was like, You need to make these and sell them. And so I started doing it. And then I had a client a really good friend of mine, Claire shout out to Claire was like you gotta get on Etsy. I was like, I don't know, Etsy, isn't it like macro? She's like, No, no, no, no. And she's an artist, and he's doing tremendous work on there. And so I did, and it's a huge part of my business now. And then I studied herbalism and I got certified herbalism. And then you learn all kinds of other stuff. And I'm telling you, that was just all allowing, I didn't sit down and go my body, my my body of work, my business needs another product. And here's why. And I ran the numbers and I have an Excel spreadsheet about there was none of that in and it's turned a profit the first month. And I didn't know that. I had no idea. And but you know, it's intuition matched with by the way work. You should see the house there are 10s of 1000s of bottles. My friends who stayed with me were like, are you okay? mentally? And they're like, No, people make these with yours. Like, now I listen to a lot of podcasts. Yeah, just hand bottle out and they were like, holy shit.

Lesley Logan 33:06

Yeah, I love that you brought up that like, you kind of just you put like almost like one foot in front the other like, yeah, I got outside.

Rachel White 33:14

I like wow, I liked learning.

Lesley Logan 33:16

Yeah. And you you didn't try to control like what the flowers were going to represent before no landed them. And I think that that's something very hard for I'm I call myself a recovering perfectionist overachiever. Because i not i don't think i think recovered would mean I mean, perfect, perfect about it. But I think that the best things come from I'm just going to try this out. And yeah, too often either people in your life go well, what are you how you make money off that that'll never make any money? Or you do this? What about your kids? What about this? And it's like, you have to turn their dial off and just kind of like go okay, who am I I may have to protect my hobby or protect my curiosities for a little bit to be mine. Because we, yes, everything does cost money and everything. We do need to make more money in this world than we ever had to make to be part of it. But you're not allowing when you try to micromanage what it is before it starts.

Rachel White 34:13

And don't listen to the well meaning morons. When I started totos

Lesley Logan 34:18

Rachel, I hope you have a shirt like that.

Rachel White 34:21

I got you wouldn't believe how mean people who were who I know liked me and were supportive of me were because they thought it was a disaster. Right? And I had a friend I asked her if she wanted to design the logo, because I didn't end up going with her for obvious reasons. You'll hear in a second. She was like, you know, this is crazy. And you're never going to be successful. You're never gonna be able to do it. And literally, I'm not making that up. It was that like, specific and intense. And then I did it and then she was like, oh, and I was like, right. You know, if they couldn't do it, maybe they don't see it because they're not connected to that they're not supposed to be manifesting that stuff here. They have their own thing to do. and just giving yourself permission to do and by the way, in corporate in tech, the mantra of innovation is fail small, fail early fail often. It's not never fail. It's not get a crystal ball out and control your entire future. It's the understanding that through doing things, you will learn experientially, and that you'll be able to incorporate that and hone things. Or even if you test hypothesis, and it's faulty. You've learned something that's a successful experiment. Right? Yes, you and just converting it, whatever you learn into something of value. And the other thing I would say, though, is when you work like this, you do have to work. Yeah, there's no playing around and then not putting an elbow grease, you know? Yeah.

Lesley Logan 35:43

Yeah, it's true. I mean, that's the that's the hardest part. I think a lot of people will look at other people, they'll look at you or they'll look at me and go, Oh, must be so easy. Or they just like,

Rachel White 35:53

because I have I've never worked harder and I've never had a worst boss. And it's me.

Lesley Logan 35:59

I do think I'm kinder than my worst worst bosses, but I can't part of myself. But it's so funny because I we have flashcards which I like, are like tarot cards for Pilates exercises, really. That's how I mean, as a classical teacher, they have an order. But I also tell people, like just pick up cards pull card out. And if you can't do that exercise, like turn it around and see what other exercises involved in there. And one of the hardest things was not creating the actual card. And I'm sure even for you with I don't know, I don't wanna put words in my mouth. But like for the taro part, is like actually getting the production of the cards like trying to get somebody in 2020 to print the cards, the way I wanted, with the quality materials I wanted, and to ship them to people.

Rachel White 36:41

Yeah, I know. And someone gave me a really hard time I got invited to this book event and the lady. She's brilliant. She's a, like a writing coach, publishing coach helps people get on TED talks, stuff like that. She's very successful. And she's like, Rachel, I was on the day for self publishing, because that's what we did. And so my guess is when you publish on Amazon, they're evil. I'm like, hey, it was in the middle of COVID. I'm my only employee it was with my money. Are you kidding me? Right now? You're that's the thing you're gonna pick you with? Yeah, it was a miracle that we got it done. Yeah. Yeah. And they're not the publisher. I'm the publisher. It's just on their platform.

Lesley Logan 37:21

Well, and, and also, guess what, guys, I also am on Amazon, you want to know why? Because people will trust Amazon? Over my website.

Rachel White 37:25

Yeah, it's easy for them. And I knew I was going to be moving to Texas, I couldn't physically manage the inventory. Like there are pragmatic concerns. And you know, it's that whole, like, there's always something someone out there is going to be on and they, if nothing else, I will ask everyone to start if you can kindly educate people on what it's like to have a small business or to be running a p&l in another larger business there. I think sometimes people to your point, they really lack compassion for you, in a lot of ways.

Lesley Logan 38:03

Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, it's so it's, it's so tricky, because you want to like pick and choose your battles, but also like, yeah, you know, we have, I think we need to get to a point where we stop judging people for the tools that they're using to get their message out there. Because unfortunately, like, when you're a small business, there are so many expenses that you don't even think about, when you get started, there are money for the newsletter you're sending money for. So it's really, you know, sometimes you have to and then you, you can, once you get things up and you get to test it, you get to see like, what is the feedback? Was this a good idea? What's this, then you can actually like, take it to another place. You know, it's so important that we just have a little bit more compassion for small businesses and also understand like, there are also avenues out there that just allow us to get our message out there faster. And sometimes we have to use it, especially when you're small.

Rachel White 38:59

I mean, I wasn't going to Epstein's Island all the time I got on the flight logs. I just published something on COVID. And so yeah, nuances is important, too. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 39:11

Okay, Rachel, I want to ask, like, what are you excited about right now? Like, what is something that you're really excited to be working on?

Rachel White 39:18

Oh, well, the the big, big thing I have to say is the podcast. And, you know, this was another thing I did just because I wanted to have discussions with people and share them. Because so much of what I do for a living is I talked to really interesting people in a really intimate, meaningful way. Like there's no small talk in a client session. With totem, and that's not just me, that's people come they want to talk about their life's purpose or, you know, they they're just very honest and vulnerable. And so, it occurred to me like I know a lot of interesting people, and I want people to hear this. Yeah. And so I've been doing interviews for season two, and it's been really fun and I am clients do it because I'm like, You're interesting. They're like, No, I'm not. I'm really, I'm like, that's enough of this. Everybody's interesting, right then working on that. And it's funny because I don't have a producer, my best friend Roger does the audio editing and I sent him like a couple 100 bucks, every episode or something, I don't even keep track of it. And people go like, well, you must be like, making so much money. I was like, Oh, my God, no, that's not how podcasts work. And they're like, don't you have sponsors? And like, do you want to be sponsored? Be a sponsor, I'd love to talk to you about that. But it's the joy of just doing the thing and seeing that you had an idea. I'm sure you had this feeling too. And then it's actually out there. It's actually happening. People listen to it. It's so exciting. Yeah, it feels so good. So I'm really focused on that. We're going to make another deck actually a flower medicine deck, because of all the flower essences and herbalism. I just, it's the time projects like that you really need block of time.

Lesley Logan 40:56

And yeah, we can we can talk offline about like the time I set up, because I have the decks that I did, there's six months total. And I really thought I could knock out to a year. And we are we're at one year, folks. And the reality is, is not because I can't make the time. I'm not even like these are not even spiritual things. These are like things I already have a lot of the content made, I just have to repurpose it. But it is it's been in that brain space and focusing and it takes now between all the man hours, when we when I stopped counting the man hours, it's usually around four or 500 man hours, like between human hours of like my time, and editors time, all this stuff. And so it's just being able to set everything else aside, which means this podcast has to be recorded in advanced so that I don't have to do podcasting. And my, my filming for my other thing, I'd have to be on that one. That's my one project at the moment. And so it does they take time, but I so I hear you, we have some systems in place that make it easier for me. And even then it shaved off like I don't know, 100 hours, which is not nothing but the (inaudible).

Rachel White 42:01

Well, the other thing is while you're in pure creation on a project like that, unless you have a book deal, which I've been averse to, because of the degree of control. Yeah, I gotta have an Aquarius moon, I don't like being told what to do I have a vision I'm a little tyrannical about creativity is I'm going to I don't get paid during that time. And I have to pay to print it and publish it. And so you, you know, you can create all you want, but not you can't do that. And then expect everything else to strike along. I always say to people, when you say yes to everything without realizing you're also saying no to things you're not even thinking about. Yes, there's it's not infinite. You have to prioritize, right? Yes, yeah. So I use all of November in December for this kind of work. I don't do any coaching work. I limit client sessions, and I slow down as the world gets darker and quieter. And I just do stuff like that every year.

Lesley Logan 42:58

I'm excited for your next deck. Take your time.

Rachel White 43:01

Thank you. I want it to be nice. We want to make it nice.

Lesley Logan 43:05

Yeah. And yeah. And also, you know, especially with things like that, they're there. You can't control the creativity either. So like, you also don't want to force it or rush it or put it on some sort of timeline.

Rachel White 43:19

Every cards vision board and setup, I did that in two days, and I'm not on Adderall. This is all natural. This is just crazy.

Lesley Logan 43:29

When you're in the flow, it's through. You don't need Adderall. Alright, we're gonna take a brief break, we're gonna find out where people can find you. Follow you work with you, and get your cards. Thank you.

Rachel White 43:39

Yeah, so you can find me at totem, reach on Instagram. Be prepared to be disappointed. I'm passive aggressive about social media. And totem readings.com. Just send me an email. All my info is on the website.

Lesley Logan 43:53

Awesome. And that's where you get your cards or everything is on to it.

Rachel White 43:58

It's on Amazon. It's the totem tarot deck. And then the skeptical shaman is Apple, Spotify, Google anywhere you listen to podcasts and season two starts the first week in October here. Perfect.

Lesley Logan 44:08

We will link all of that in our show notes. So make sure it's everywhere. I'm already intrigued by your higher deck of cards. We'll be heading Amazon up next. Before I let you go, you've given us like so much awesome advice. I feel like there's been some great gems in there. But I always like to ask you Well, this bold, executable intrinsic or target advice people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Rachel White 44:30

My big one that I'm doing right now because I also need help is I am taking a very strict digital detox one day a week from everything television, phone, computer screen. And for me, what that does is I get I get very clear on what matters. It lowers that cortisol. It lowers the fear and just the I'm very addicted to busyness and noise like I could listen to 18 podcasts a day. You know what I mean? I love consuming noise and Creating noise in my own way. And so I've been doing that and what happens on those days is miraculous, you'll have the big business idea. So you don't have to grind. It's like a, it's a retreat to move forward. And you know, if you have goals or anything else, just taking that time, it seems counterintuitive, but you get there faster. You really do. A lot of us when we're working, working, working, you're not thinking as deeply as you think you are. You're just not You're not seeing certain things. It's actually a business imperative. I've decided I have to do that for my business.

Lesley Logan 45:35

Yeah, I love that. Oh, digital detox. I love it. I have been putting my phone on grayscale at night. And I don't take it off grayscale until I like start making it like after breakfast because then it's like, because what happens is inevitably, you open up an app and you start working. And I am like you I could just, I love what I do. I could just keep doing it. But it's like I really, I my best days I noticed are because the grayscale comes off later in the day. So as soon as comes off, and it's those beautiful colors. And you can see what app that is you start going there. So I I really like it and a whole day Lou, I'm gonna see how I can do I'm gonna challenge myself at the time this episode (inaudible).

Rachel White 46:17

Intermittent fasting, it really is, it's a great way to reset. And I have better ideas. When I'm not just doing what I'm not in tactical execution. And I don't have the discipline to not tactically execute. Yeah, unless it's all shut off, so.

Lesley Logan 46:33

One more thing on this when I travel internationally, like I used to, I would never pay the phone company to let me use my phone internationally. Like there's Wi-Fi if I need it, I'll get Wi Fi like it's, you know, where am I going? And a recent trip to Poland, I was annoying my husband and come with me. Another trick is helplessness they'll because they'll say he'll be the one that gets to work. And so I'm like, Of course I can be safe because like he's, he's good. Yes. But I realized that because my phone worked in between being at a hotel or the Conference Center. I was struggling to be as present as I could just walking down these beautiful streets I hadn't been in and I was like, oh, it's because my phone works. And I can get a text message and I can get this and I'm like, Okay, we're just going to go on airplane mode. Yeah, intentionally so that we can like be present. So I thank you for sharing that. Thank you for all of this. I am so excited about what you're doing. You're everything. I wanted to be in the tarot shaman world. Like it's so fun to be like, Oh, I can have some crystals and do logic. Thank you so much, Rachel. Thank you, everyone. How are you going to use these tips in your life? When are you going to go on a digital detox and also what were your favorite parts about this make sure you tag Rachel tag Viet pods we can share it and until next time, be it till you see it. That's all I got for this episode of the B until you see it podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the beat pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it help us and others be it till you see it. Have an awesome day.

Lesley Logan 48:13

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 48:16

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 48:21

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 48:25

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 48:32

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 48:38

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley celebrates the 300th episode with a thankful heart. Uncover how gratitude and communal backing have shaped this milestone, illuminating the podcast's journey and growth.

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• How a website overhaul led to client satisfaction and increased business opportunities.
• How to turn client inconsistencies into opportunities for productivity.
• The profound significance of reaching a 300th episode milestone
• The impact of community support and gratitude.

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• Mentions, Bianca Filoteo, an agency member
• Mentions, Melissa Nagai, an agency member

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Lesley Logan 0:00

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48

Holy frickin moly. Welcome to your Fuck Yeah Friday.

Happy December 8th. My goodness. Wow. I wonder like there must be I can't even wait to hear., I gotta do some research on like what astrology is saying about this day because it's just like kind of a big deal. For me, anyways. So today is December 8th, and it is Fuck Yeah Friday, which means we celebrate your wins we celebrate, I share a win of mine to help hopefully inspire you to see that your wins don't have to be complete, perfect finished or any of those things to be celebrated because you are doing amazing things every day. And there are there's bright spots in your day. And the more we look for them, the more we see bright spots, right? So anyway, I'm gonna get into my win in a second, which is a big one. So you're gonna want to hear it. Because it is it is all because of you.

Lesley Logan 1:34

But first Agency member Bianca, Filateo's win. It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Redesigned my website and moved to WordPress in seven days, got great feedback on my website from Lindy Noec last week. Got a new client who bought a package and trying out Pilates two times a week and a new client said using the foot corrector the other day helped reduce a lot of ankle pain. And she's fallen in love with Pilates. Boom. A way to go Bianca, you guys let me know if it was on the Be It Pod. So really just her company up in a day is really amazing. And if you reach out to her and you tell her we sent you like she just got the LL button for you. She'll take care of you.

Lesley Logan 2:12

Also an Agency member, Melissa Nygai, Fuck Yeah Friday, I have a group of three clients who do a semi private appointment three times a week and they're a trio sometimes they're a duo due to surgeries and trips the most consistent is away for a month the most inconsistent has been back attending regularly and is recovering from yet another surgery. However, I told the inconsistent one to please let me know ASAP if she's going missing sessions over the next two months, because she often cancels day before within 24 hours and really not enough time for me to book any new clients. My win is that she showed up on Monday to tell me that she felt it was best to take the time off until her friends get back into town. This is such a relief for me knowing that I have those three hours a week to book in new clients or to not book anyone and get other work done. With that said this week, I had time to record videos for my online subscription. I watched two webinars, did my homework for a course I'm taking, got my all my workouts and plus other jobs done that I was not able to get to. These three years have given me so much more time. So way to go Melissa, like so many people could see like losing out on a client three times a week as a loss and you're seeing it as what is a win and like what's possible and I just think that is so freakin amazing. I love that.

Lesley Logan 3:22

Okay, my win. By the way, you just send your wins in and then I share them and what's so great is that you get to hear your wins someday and then in the future. And maybe you're having a bad day like oh my god, I had that win. Like it's really a lot of fun. I love it. I listened to FYF and go oh yeah I had that when such a great reminder of the things we did do. So my win. If you didn't see already it's episode 300. Insert all that celebration music here. Episode 300. We would not be here if it wasn't for you. If you didn't listen, this podcast, share it with a friend, tell us how much it means to you like, dude, there's so much more I would do if that was the case. But you guys listen, and you share this podcast and your feedback it brings me so much joy because something that someone said or that we said helped inspire you to do something different in your life. That's huge. The massive domino effect of everyone being it until they see it. And not waiting to be perfect and, and not waiting until they felt ready or they didn't feel scared. Oh my gosh, like, do you know if you have no fear? Then you're probably dead or you're going after a mediocre goal. Right? I've heard the coach say this before. I'm like, yeah, that's right. You're supposed to be a little bit freakin scared about the things you're doing. Because that means you're going after something that's wholly different than you've ever done.

Lesley Logan 4:40

So, thank you for trusting us and listening to our guests and our recaps and these FYFs and sending your questions. Thank you. We couldn't do this without you. We wouldn't do it without you. And so hitting episode 300 is a community win. I say thank you to my amazing team, who I also couldn't do this without, there's the ones you don't see. We talk about them in the, you know, the exit notes, end credits you probably skip. But each one of them is really integral in making this happen so that every single Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, there's an episode in there for you. We don't ever want to miss giving you that dose of inspiration you might need on that day, when you just feel like oh my god, how am I supposed to do this day? Hopefully, you let us into your ears. So thank you. That's my win. Episode three freakin hundred.

Lesley Logan 5:31

All right, loves. Go share a win with a friend today. Start telling like start helping the people in your life realize that there are winds happening everywhere just by celebrating something amazing. Maybe got a great parking spot. Whoo. That's a Fuck yeah, Friday. Until next time, be it till you see it.

Lesley Logan 5:48

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day.

Lesley Logan 6:16

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 6:19

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:24

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 6:28

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 6:35

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 6:40

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this podcast episode, Lesley and Brad recap Michael’s interview, exploring the significance of steadfast dedication, cultivating a mindset geared towards growth. The episode provides actionable insights for personal and professional progression, highlighting the importance of intentional friendships and effective skill application. Discover how to proactively approach life's hurdles, viewing them as chances for enrichment and drawing lessons from diverse life experiences.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How intentional decisions can prevent flaking out and lead to more fulfilling engagements.
• The value of nurturing relationships with people who support and believe in you.
• Gain insights into the necessity of not just possessing skills but also effectively leveraging them.
• The importance of setting and committing to your goals and dreams.
• How a fixed mindset limits opportunities and impedes growth.

Episode References/Links:

• Contrology
• Be It Pod
• OPC Winter Tour
• eLevate Round Four
• 2025 Cambodia Early Bird Retreat
• Mini 10

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:24

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:08

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Brad and I are going to dig into the compelling convo I have with Michael unbroken in our last episode. If you haven't yet, listened to that one you should listen to it. It's fucking awesome. I'm really proud of it.

Brad Crowell 1:22

It's a long one, but it's a good one.

Lesley Logan 1:24

Okay, we knew it was gonna be a long one. And we questioned whether we should break it up into two episodes. But the reality was, it's the week of the 300th episode. So of course, it's going to be an epic episode that happens to kick this week off. Right? So also it's just really fun to share because when we the first one we had Michael Unbroken on we hadn't met yet. Like I was on his podcast, and then he came on my podcast, but we didn't actually like, we weren't friends. We never met in person, we never hung out. Since then, he's moved to Las Vegas. He's part of the family.

Brad Crowell 1:57

Well, we saw him like three or four times while I still lived in Denver, because totally coincidentally, we happen to be going there. And then. So yeah, I mean, and then we actually, obviously stayed in touch when he moved here.

Lesley Logan 2:11

Yeah, he came out here a couple times. A lot. And then and then when we saw him in Denver, and we hung out. I mean, we just like it was like he already lived here before he moved here. And then he moved here.

Brad Crowell 2:21

Well, because yeah, you're right. He was flying into town because he does a lot of business coaching here. So he was here.

Lesley Logan 2:27

Anyways, he was here and like, then he moved here, has been awesome. And so now having him on, I feel like you could probably hear a difference in just how the episode went. Because we were just friends.

Brad Crowell 2:36

I could hear it and actually, like, turned into like, less of a Be It Pod format and more of like, what's, what's the the guys that like, run the three out? What's the long form Doctor guy? Because you just have these conversations and conversations.

Lesley Logan 2:55

No, we are not Huberman because both Michael and I listen to Huberman. But thank you for that.

Brad Crowell 3:00

Well, it was, it was

Lesley Logan 3:02

But he's, he's, well, first of all, here's how we're not Huberman. Because one, he's three and a half hours minimum. Two, he asked a question qualifies it three times and ask the question again, with a slight little nervousness to it, which I find very interesting. Michael. Mr. Huberman, if you're listening to this, you just seem a little nervous when you answer a question. Anyways I thought maybe he's being humble. Anyways, neither Michael nor I are very clear in any question we asked.

Brad Crowell 3:30

Well, there was a lot of compelling conclusions drawn from the conversation that you had. But yeah, it was about like two-thirds of the way through where you were like, maybe we should like get on topic.

Lesley Logan 3:41

Well, we're not. I wouldn't say we're very clear on our questions. We don't qualify them. We just fucking ask them. So I think anyways, it's

Brad Crowell 3:48

Well, but it was I guess that's true. And Michael was also I, you know, another part of it that made it different was that it wasn't just you asking the questions. He's asking me a question, because this is on his feed. And obviously, it's on ours. But

Lesley Logan 4:03

This is what, we're breaking the fourth wall? No, we're just telling you the behind the scenes.

Brad Crowell 4:06

Yeah. But I mean, you could tell because he was asking you questions as well. That's why.

Lesley Logan 4:12

That's what friends do. Friends help each other out. And you'll hear more about what friends do in this podcast recap. Anyways, we'll get into Michael in a second but today is December 7th 2024, Brad?

Brad Crowell 4:25

I've been planning 2024.

Lesley Logan 4:27

I know it is Pearl Harbor Day and also Hanukkah. So Happy Hanukkah to our listeners out there who are celebrating that and to any of you whose family was involved in Pearl Harbor, or anything that happened after that, this was your remembrance day. I think last year there was still people alive from that which I find fucking crazy.

Brad Crowell 4:49

And you gotta be in their 90s.

Lesley Logan 4:51

Anyways, my great grandfather and grandfather were both in the Navy. So this is a big part of our family. So anyways, the other thing that's happening in this world, in this moment is that the tour kicks off tomorrow.

Brad Crowell 5:04

Tomorrow.

Lesley Logan 5:05

In Las Vegas.

Brad Crowell 5:06

Friday.

Lesley Logan 5:07

If you listen to this real-time (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 5:09

The day of the 300th episode.

Lesley Logan 5:12

Whoa, how do we do that?

Brad Crowell 5:13

How do we time that?

Lesley Logan 5:14

Wow, we should do something that we should make that a big party. Anyway opc.me/tour - it will tell you all the cities we're going to be at if there's any spots left at any of them. We're doing 20 cities. We're trying.

Brad Crowell 5:25

It's like, it's really crazy. I'm gonna rattle them off really quick. And maybe, I mean, I don't know if we have you shouldn't read.

Lesley Logan 5:35

Here's what here we can rattle off. All rattle off the ones that are confirmed. So Las Vegas, St. George Denver, Lawrence, Kansas, St. Louis, Cleveland, Hershey, Pennsylvania, Boston, Greensboro, Greensboro, Greensboro. Yep. Miami, Austin, Dallas. Those are all, at the time of this recording, you could buy tickets for. Now, we're recording this early because we're going on fucking tour.

Brad Crowell 6:03

Did you say Denver?

Lesley Logan 6:04

I said Denver. No, I, I'm at, I'm already, I'm already ahead in time. We are working on. I'll tell you where we're working on some things. Because just in case you live in the area. We're working on something around the Louisville area. We're working on something on the Cincinnati area. We're working on something in upstate New York. We are working on something in Sarasota.

Brad Crowell 6:25

Savannah, Georgia, we're working on that.

Lesley Logan 6:27

Savannah, Georgia, anyone out there? Well, if you're listening right now too late.

Brad Crowell 6:31

It's a bit late.

Lesley Logan 6:32

It's a bit late but we're driving by, and maybe we're coming. So definitely check out the tour link, but we're super excited. We're bringing the Contrology

Brad Crowell 6:39

Aso on the return trip we're working out Albuquerque and potentially (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 6:43

You're correct. I was like we're missing some states. So um, so here's the deal. First of all, we're celebrating New Year's Day in Austin which fuck yeah

Brad Crowell 6:51

Yeah, it's their first time doing that.

Lesley Logan 6:54

It's our first time doing any... No, we did a New Year's Eve.

Brad Crowell 6:57

Once we were in Miami.

Lesley Logan 6:58

We did a New Year's Eve classes in Scottsdale, the very first tour. And Miami was not the (inaudible), Miami was two days off.

Brad Crowell 7:06

No, no, I just I'm talking about not being home for New Year's. But yes, you're right.

Lesley Logan 7:11

Yeah. So but what we're super excited about is our host in Austin at Alliance Studios. She's so fucking stoked. She's like, we're doing this we're making this a big party.

Brad Crowell 7:20

She's really making it a big event. We're stoked on that. That's gonna be amazing. Cannot wait.

Lesley Logan 7:25

I can't think of a better way to bring in the new year except for to be in the community and bringing communities together. What a great, like, if you think of like a word for your year, what a great thing. So this is our favorite thing to do. We're trying to do two tours a year. They happen because you come that's really what it is like, yeah, we can't make we're not going to tours if people don't want them. But so if you go to opc.me/tour, you can see where we have tickets left, sell. And if you have friends in any of those areas, tell them about it. Yeah, there's lots of prizes, lots of awesome stuff.

Brad Crowell 7:51

Also, Lesley makes the most hilarious point that it's the best way to take a break from your family come to our class for the holidays.

Lesley Logan 7:58

Oh, I do say that like if you need an excuse you can get, for my Pilates teachers out there, if you need an excuse, you can get (inaudible) on these workshops, they're 90 minutes, I can give you a little extra time away from them. And classes. Anyone can come. So if you just feel like I'm coming with you, and they won't leave you alone and they won't do all the errands with you.

Lesley Logan 7:59

Tell them you have to buy your own tickets.

Lesley Logan 8:17

They can come to class, that could be your Christmas present to them.

Brad Crowell 8:20

That's true.

Lesley Logan 8:20

Boom. So anyways, that's what we're so we're literally, as you could hear, we're literally reading the New Year on this winter tour thanks to our sponsors, Balanced Body and Contrology. And then, in January, we kick off eLevate round four at the time of recording this we have a couple spots left. So if you are a teacher who's tired of feeling like an imposter, exhausted for pre-planning, you feel like you're talking all the time and you're ready for burnout. I want to teach you how to not burn out I want you to teach I want to teach you how to not have to class but I want to teach you how to use less words and make a bigger impact. So come to lesleylogan.co/elevate

Brad Crowell 8:52

All the things that she just said about what what you take away. That's like, we've had almost 40 people go through the program at this point. and consistently that's what they're so fired up about.

Lesley Logan 9:05

Yeah, we see them so many hours.

Brad Crowell 9:08

The're also so much more confidence across the different pieces of equipment. And they don't have to class-plan anymore. And they know what they're talking about.

Lesley Logan 9:16

Yes. And it's my

Brad Crowell 9:18

Good stuff.

Lesley Logan 9:18

I love it. I'm only doing one round next year, so there's only 12 spots. So get on that. I don't want you to wait till 2025. Cambodia early bird will open up in January but only to those on the waitlist you're gonna want to go to lesleylogan.co/retreats to hear about that awesome early bird we just talked about the early bird, how much are they going to save if they're on the list?

Brad Crowell 9:24

600 bucks.

Lesley Logan 9:28

$600. My goodness.

Brad Crowell 9:38

So get on that list. logan.co/retreats

Lesley Logan 9:41

And by the way, if this is your first time you're here and you're still listening, hello, L-E-S-L-E-Y is how you spell my name.

Brad Crowell 9:54

Yeah. L-E-S-L-E-Y logan.co/retreats (lesleylogan.co/retreats).

Lesley Logan 9:58

So I just hit my chin on my mic and anyway, so Mini 10 will be the next big thing that you can participate in with us. If you are a teacher at any level studio owner, it is going to be somewhere in the beginning part of Q1 or like I think it's the end of June. It's probably I think it's beginning of February.

Brad Crowell 10:13

It's the first, it's like the last day of Jan into Feb.

Lesley Logan 10:16

Yeah, because the truth is, y'all, I'm not doing mini anymore on my birthday.

Brad Crowell 10:21

Right.

Lesley Logan 10:23

It's my show. Welcome. So profitable

Brad Crowell 10:28

profitablepilates.com/mini.

Lesley Logan 10:31

So go there if you want to have seven days of every fucking question you've ever had answered in saying clarity on your business and really seeing possibility and again, community, it is the common theme of this podcast. Alright, that's enough of that. Before we get into Michael's amazing episode, what is our audience question?

Brad Crowell 10:51

This was a good one. We had someone in our coaching group, fitness business coaching group called Agency asked, well, she's excited about getting an assistant, but she's also afraid of it. And she said, I don't know. She said two things. I've been hesitating on getting an assistant because I don't really know how we'll work with them. But I think that that's an excuse because I don't, like she said, who am I to have an assistant?

Lesley Logan 11:24

Yeah, this is a common can I just say, when I hired Lindsay, my first assistant, I really was like, I knew I needed her. I was like, could not keep going without her. But I actually had no idea how to. I was like, is it okay, would you mind doing blah, blah? Would you mind trying to, she's like, I'm your assistant, this is my job, give me the things to do. And I was like, that's really helpful. Thank you.

Brad Crowell 11:49

Yeah, well, there's two, there's two parts to her question. One is like, how do you work with an assistant? How do you decide what your assistant should do? How do you manage them? How do you delegate? Like, can you delegate? Have you ever even done it before? But you know

Lesley Logan 12:02

Well, the more important, the easier part of the question to answer on this podcast because the rest, we,that's more complicated and an hour-long course we've already done is who are you to have an assistant?

Brad Crowell 12:12

Right. I was gonna say all those things are just simple, easy to learn. No problem. Just figure it out.

Lesley Logan 12:17

You can almost even Google it, you should probably ask chatGPT what to do.

Brad Crowell 12:21

But that's not the hard part. The hard part is feeling worthy of hiring someone you know, and feeling like your small business is, you know, like, like, maybe you've never considered yourself like a manager, or maybe even considered yourself a CEO that has a team in suddenly, this seems intimidating. And I think that, you know, what we ultimately talked about what was that it's not, who is she trying to impress by hiring an assistant? Right? Because it's like, does she think that she's going to be judged? By whom? By other random people? If she's like, oh, yeah, I have an assistant. You know, like, what, why, what? Who are those people? And is that the are you out there trying to impress them with your, you know, with your hiring someone? Or are you trying to make your fucking life easier and better? Yeah. But well, who are you doing it for? Are you doing it for you? Are you doing it for them? If you're doing it for you, then it doesn't matter what they think and question of who am I to have an assistant? You know, you're clearly asking that, in the light of someone else is going to see that you have an assistant and you're going to feel judged. Do you know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 13:42

I do I do know what you mean. I also think like, I also think even even not even think about yourself, the people that you are here to make an impact on the people that you believe you're here to service, this dream you have if you also just think about the impact you want to have. And going back to like Rory's episode, Rory talked about, like, not focusing on the money, but focus on servicing others. And I actually think if you focus on the fact that if you can't get all the things you want done in a day, because you don't have enough time you're human, then hire an assistant allows you to have a bigger impact on the people that you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. You're it. So almost making it less about you and more about the people that you're trying to serve and how the assistant actually facilitates that service being bigger, broader. Yeah, then you're an asshole if you don't hire this student. You're a selfish prick.

Brad Crowell 14:52

I mean, that's a harsh way of looking at it. But you know, I don't I don't agree worry that you're being an asshole. But I do think that you're getting in your own way to accomplish your dreams.

Lesley Logan 15:05

Allright, be the kind of coach. But yes, I do. But I do think you're getting in your own way you're correct there. And also, you're also holding yourself back and not helping those people because you can only do so much. Yeah, that's it. And I don't know, I don't even know who the people are, who would judge you for having an assist?

Brad Crowell 15:24

Well, that's what I mean, like, like, and that's, and that's where you have, that's where you're getting in your own way. Like, most people are not doing running a business so that they can like, show it off to their friends and be like, you know, I hired an assistant and then are gonna feel guilty that they hire an assistant because they're gonna feel like they're judged because their friends are gonna look at him differently or something. I don't think that most people are I think it's just a story that they're telling themselves.

Lesley Logan 15:47

Yeah, yeah. Also, I can't think Jamie Kern Lima, she wrote a book. She's like, someone who made I can't think of the name of the makeup line that she sold to one of the big companies, but she actually talked about how she had a made-up assistant. So she actually used her middle name, and made that person, the assistant. And so and customer service. So like, until she could afford an assistant. She was like she had a fake assistant, because that way people would think that she was a bigger deal. So it's pretty funny, I share this story because like it actually might have an assistant might make you look like an even bigger deal because (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 16:25

Yeah, but I think most people like most of the people that we coach have an assistant and you don't even know it. That's not the point. They're not they're like, you know, they're not fielding their emails for them. They're not, you know, they're probably helping them with, like, smaller tasks that like that pile up, there's just little things that like switching gears 50 times takes up a lot of your brain space and time. And those are the things that you can easily delegate to somebody else. There are certainly assistants who are responding to your emails on your behalf. And they're more public facing assistants and like I get that with with that does make you look like a quote unquote big deal. You know, but like, I mean, we have an assistant to his name is August. Oh, yeah, he does. He responds our emails.

Lesley Logan 17:13

He also, but I so I think like, if you are holding off hired an assistant because you don't feel worthy enough to have an assistant, then it's really time for you to focus, refocus, like why are you doing what you're doing? And who is for Yeah, and how is not hiring the assistant affecting them negatively? Sure. Because oftentimes, the people who think this way, and this is not the first person who's ever felt this way we've we've seen this question a different ways before. You're thinking about you. Right? And you're not thinking about the people you're trying to serve. Yeah. And go back to Lori's episode, if you want to hear that, because that's really important. And then the other thing is, is like keeping not having an assistant is allowing you to have excuses to not take yourself to the next level. Yeah, because you don't have time to work on these other things. And then if you don't have time to work on those other things, and they can't fail. So yeah, it's a sign of perfectionism.

Brad Crowell 18:12

Yeah, I was gonna say ADHD, we keep ourselves we work better under stress. Or at least we tell ourselves to work better under stress. And when you have a million things on your plate, you feel like you're getting things done, but you're actually not moving the ball forward, because you're not focusing on the things that need to actually move forward. So you can delegate the things that are the have to get done still menial tasks that aren't actually gonna move the business forward to an assistant.

Lesley Logan 18:38

So, so hire the assistant. Hire them. Yeah, the worst thing is you hire the wrong one. And you have to hire someone else.

Brad Crowell 18:44

Yeah. And that'll teach you how to set processes in place.

Lesley Logan 18:48

Yeah, you can watch the hiring, firing course we have on Profitable Pilates. Thank you for the question. You guys, you can send your questions in on any topic to the Be It Pod and just send them in and we'll answer it. You know, it's important if you have something burning on your head and you want us to answer it, we'll do it.

Brad Crowell 19:37

Okay, now let's talk about Michael Unbroken. Michael Unbroken, turning trauma into triumph has dedicated his life to guiding others on the journey from victimhood to hero through Think Unbroken.

Lesley Logan 19:53

One thing that he said that I loved was we talked about, we did a lot of things But we talked about making intent being intentional and like not being a flake. And I think it takes time in your life and you still start to learn how you who you want to say yes to. And I think sometimes people say yes to too many things. And then they regret saying yes. And that's why they flake out on things. Or they, they don't like they're, they don't really know what their boundaries are. But we, as friends do not flake on each other. And it's because we really value each other's time, we value our time. And so even though like right now, my goal has been traveling, and we text he texted the two of us the other day, and he's like, Okay, I'll be home on these dates. And it's like, Okay, we're here on these dates. Okay, we'll be making sure we see each other on those dates. And it's, it's part of valued friendships. And if you want to have good friends in this world, it's not about waiting to the other person invites you to something. It's going okay, I'm free on this day. On this time. Let's do it. And I think that that does require some organization. But also, if you find that you're flaking on a lot of people or some person over and over, it's probably time to reevaluate that relationship. And like, do you feel safe there? Does it make you is? I think also, a lot of women specifically keep friends around forever and ever and ever, and they don't always make them feel good. Like I'm thinking about like, the artists way they talk about like crazy makers, and I get the other one. There's another one poison poison his pals. You are correct. I have I had a poisonous palette now. I couldn't remember what Fuck yeah, we moved to Las Vegas the place in his pal can't be there. Fucking places. Powell would text me at exactly the worst time like stache fucking No, right. And so what I did is I just stopped responding for days. And then I'd run like two weeks later, I go, Oh, my God, I miss this. But it was partly because I didn't, I didn't want to, like have the conversation with her. Like, we're breaking up as friends. But so this is my own thing I've to work through as well. But I never flaked on her. Never did but I also would regret any do something. So I think if you are just finding that there's people in your life that you're like, I could have taken this person, evaluate what's going on, have you outgrown the relationship because you should have relationships in your life that you don't flake on each other on and be and be intentional about it. The other thing that he talked about, about why he's very much more of an intentional person is that he had a friend had a falling out, and he never got to apologize. And that person was killed. Yeah, or killed himself. I know he was killed, he was killed. So um, those kinds of things really wake you up sometimes. And I think we don't have to have bad stuff happened to us, for us to learn a lesson we can learn from other people's stories.

Brad Crowell 22:34

Yeah. And you know, I mean, it was a pretty shocking story that he shared, you know, about his friend, but also, there was an underlying current to that conversation that I found really, I connected with was like, Are you you know, is? Is there a reason why? If you're not doing something, like you have a task to do, but you're not doing it? Are you? Are you afraid? Or is it making you feel like there's some reticence for you to do it, it's the same thing with people, you know, like, like, hanging out with someone or, or not hanging out with them. Feel that, see that? Understand that. And then you don't have to hang out with that person. So that when you meet the right people that are going to support you believe in you, and actually be part of your journey. It's so important to keep them around. And that's where making the intention of not flaking on each other. Like you don't have to. You don't have to make this commitment to people who don't support you. Back, you know, but definitely, this is worth making this commitment for people who are your cheerleaders, your best these they actually communicate to you they are also looking forward to hanging out with you. You don't have to chase them around.

Lesley Logan 24:05

I share this And FYI, if I recently like when, because I was in when we're in Cambodia, I didn't have any calls with any of my friends. I barely texted them. Most of them are 14 hours ahead. I assume they're on d&d, but like I was like, I'm not able to like pick up a phone call. Um, you know, I was like, I'm on a free schedule here. And I realized I really missed our weekly go back and forth, like, you know, voice to text and everything so, or voice memos. So I became really intentional. As soon as I got back I voice memo to each one. And then I've made sure I've done that each week. They're not on the same day because I can't handle the responses on the same day but like they're each one on a different day. And I do that because they support me back their cheerleader, and they don't require me to be at their beck and call to be a friend to them. Nor do I so I think that that's really cool. And I like that you brought that up like people do want to be that so be that back because then that relationship continue. is to grow. And also one more thing before we go on to your points. Time is one variable we don't get more of. And I think this is really key you and I were doing a workshop this past week, where it's like, there's an abundance of money and energy and a lot of things that can be recreated. But time isn't one of them. And I guess my question to everyone listening to this, especially as we're going into the end of the year, while we don't set goals as we know from last week's episode, what was the resolutions I should say? What is what Where are you spending time in your life that you're wishing you didn't spend time on some things and maybe reflecting upon that and seeing like, how you can be more intentional with the time you do spend on things and letting go or saying no, or eliminating or delegating things where you don't want to be spending your time? That could be a really good question to ponder as you go into the end of the year.

Brad Crowell 25:56

Something worth thinking about.

Lesley Logan 26:00

I feel like that needs like some special music something with like, I don't know, like it needs like gold music.

Brad Crowell 26:06

What are we what are we talking here? We'd like epic.

Lesley Logan 26:10

No, you know, like, you know, like, not

Brad Crowell 26:12

Like opera, something worth thinking about?

Lesley Logan 26:18

I don't know. I don't I don't know. But I You know how like, sometimes people place like different voiceovers and it's like, you know, like a little fairy godmother like something we're thinking about.

Brad Crowell 26:26

That's something we're thinking about.

Lesley Logan 26:30

All right, what did you love? I don't know why I pictured Mr. Clean and I like a little like, like a little flicker of a light off of your teeth just happen.

Brad Crowell 26:42

Oh, that's funny. I was envisioning like Dick Tracy smoking a cigarette and you went like and that's something worth thinking about.

Lesley Logan 26:50

I know, you went like SVU like CSI introductory. And I

Brad Crowell 26:56

And that, ladies and gents, is something worth thinking about.

Lesley Logan 27:01

No. No, all I see is a dead body. All right, let's move on to what you like.

Brad Crowell 27:05

Okay. All right. So Michael talked about skills have utility. And I thought that's interesting. What the hell does utility mean? And so I looked it up.

Lesley Logan 27:15

Well, like there's a utility closet at the schools where the janitor (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 27:19

Yeah, but that's a weird thing to say, skills have utility, right? And so I wanted to understand why he used the word utility. And what he meant by that. And so I looked it up and utility actually has, you know, usefulness right as utility but also functional rather than attractive. Which leads to his bigger point, where maybe you have the skill, but if you don't use the fucking skill, it's useless. You're not like,

Lesley Logan 27:48

It's like having all of the things like in the car, like the car does all these things, but you don't know how to use it. Like, I'm picturing you guys on the flight home. I saw somebody on another screen was watching pretty woman. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna watch that. To help me fall asleep, right? Because that's, I know that movie from my heart. And pretty like Julia Roberts character goes like, Ah, this baby corners like it's on wheels. It does this. And he is like, I don't know what any of that means. He knows nothing. So it's like, he's in this fucking fancy car. And he literally can't drive it. He can't drive it. Yeah, he has. He has no idea how to use it. Yeah. And like, she's just like, just so anyways, I think that that is like the perfect picture of skills (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 28:29

Yeah. Merely possessing a skill is not enough. It's crucial to know how to leverage that skill effectively. Right? And that is applicable in business, but it's also applicable in personal relationships.

Brad Crowell 30:14

It could just be that you, you know, maybe you're amazing at spreadsheets and you're not actually using that to make, do analytical work for your business. But it's not necessarily, skills aren't only business, right? It could be that skills are relationship skills, personal skills, maybe your skill is that you're amazing at winning people over or maybe you're great at greeting people. And you should be, you know, leading a community. Right. So there's, there's ways to use skills in your personal life, not just in your work life. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 30:48

And I also think, like, you may have amazing skills in your personal life, that you're not even using your work life because you don't see your skills and your personal life as a skill. You see it as like, This is who I am.

Brad Crowell 30:59

Right? That was me for a long time.

Lesley Logan 31:01

Yeah. So we've talked about Strength Finders, 2.0.

Brad Crowell 31:04

Yeah, I was literally about to shift over to that, because that's exactly right.

Lesley Logan 31:07

It's been on my mind. But we had we did an interview with someone on that. So definitely worth learning about if you want to know about that. But even not that you can even just ask your friends and families like, like, Hey, can you just like, like, can you just do me a favor and tell me like, what you love that I do in this relationship? Or like I know this vulnerable, but just ask what people think is your greatest skill are your greatest asset. Your friends are not you're too close to you. So you need people. And you also judge yourself too fucking much. So you need people in your life who just like oh my god, they're so fucking awesome. And they can help you understand like, what amazing skills you have. Why my dad

Brad Crowell 31:46

Kevin Kepple.

Brad Crowell 31:46

Yeah, Kevin Kepple. Oh, yeah, the basement in the balcony. So.

Lesley Logan 31:48

Episode 155 y'all.

Lesley Logan 31:48

Oh, wow. That was so long ago. He's fucking awesome. But one thing that, like, my dad's a coach, right, that's what he did in his life. And probably would have done had he had the opportunity as a as a job. At any rate. He is really good. I've watched him be really awesome at noticing skills that like my siblings have that they don't know that they have, like, they're just naturally gifted at these certain things, you know? And unfortunately, telling them that just meant that they would like quit the thing. But at any rate, like your friends and family in your life, see something in you that you probably don't see. And you don't ask the ones that are your poisonous pals or negative nancies. Or you're crazy makers. But the ones that you just like, feel like you feel alive after you leave them. Those are the ones to maybe ask like, what do you see as a strength of mine? Because it might be something you could be using to affect? You know, you could leverage more.

Lesley Logan 31:48

Yeah, that's very true. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 33:18

Don't ask the high schools ask the good ones. That's the quote art. Don't ask me is amazing. Meaning this holiday season. Don't ask your fucking crazy aunt who you wish you weren't sitting next to you at the dinner table. Ask the person that you wish you were. There you go.

Brad Crowell 34:01

Okay, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic, or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Michael Unbroken?

Lesley Logan 34:13

Oh, yeah. Now you need someone to put that to the voice thing? Yes. Okay. What's your favorite?

Brad Crowell 34:21

He said, commit to your goals, commit to your dreams. Who is who it is that you want to be? Commit to who it is that you want to become? Right? And, you know, he talked a lot about the difference in who he was. Before he. In his words, he said he had had enough of his own bullshit and needed to change. Right and I thought that was really fucking interesting at some point for him. That will, it's, it's also it is important for him. But it's also like, there that is the breaking point where it's like, you can't even stand you You know, or you can't stand the circumstances that you've created for yourself so much that it forces you to reevaluate how you're doing things. Right. So I thought that was really interesting. And, and then he, you know, talked about how he's much different today than when he was before. And consequently has dreams and goals that he's continuing to go after, such as the 10 Times New York Times 10 time, New York Times bestselling best authors situation, right. And, you know, like, that helps drive him helps him stay focused. And you know, it gives you it gives you a reason to keep going.

Lesley Logan 35:44

Yeah, I want him to, Michael, if you're listening, when thinking about your book that you haven't published yet, that you've written and rewritten a few times. I think you need to fucking write the book. Like maybe you are a 10-time best seller, not because you wrote 10 books, because you wrote 20. My like that I was like, percolating on that. And it like, you know, was playing them overplaying in my mind. And I was like, why does this bother me? I'm like, oh, because he's trying to make it fucking perfect to be the best seller. Maybe he's not maybe I'm maybe that's my own, like little antennas.

Brad Crowell 36:17

I mean, a lot of the people that we coach, they, they, it's a reason not to launch. Yeah, right. So because it's not perfect, or they're not really sure. Alternatively, the other option would be to keep going. And honestly, your first few books may not be the big ones that hit. But the last 10 books are probably gonna be fucking amazing. Because you've now done it so many times.

Lesley Logan 36:43

I'm not gonna mention her name, because I don't love her as a person. But her her book that became a best-seller was her fourth book. May I just say, because I actually looked at the other books, because I didn't actually love it. And it was a best fucking seller. And everyone's raving about it. And I was like, this book is boring. But other books, and they're fucking awesome. And so just say that because like, Michael if you're listening, write, the fucking book, maybe write 20 books, and there's 10 bestsellers in there. I'm just saying, you get feedback, right? You get feedback, and you get people on (inaudible), my advice.

Lesley Logan 37:13

So he said, if you're dogmatic about anything, there's no room for opportunity. And the danger of a fixed mindset is that you're too rigid or dogmatic and pimper you from growth and learning and to be solution oriented. So instead of looking for roebucks, look for possibility. And I think this is really great. This just happened in one of inside of agency, we have a channel where you can ask for exercise advice. And this person was like, I don't know if I can handle this client. She only has one arm. And I was like, Oh, she's seen the one arm as a roadblock. And I see as like, possibility. And I actually said to her, like, my favorite clients have like something dramatic. Like I'm not really good with like minor aches and pains. Like I love like when I love a cast, I love or, like, Yes, I have my dentist and my dentist client, he had this condition where the tendons in his hands pulled and his feet looked like he had claws. Yeah. And his shoulders run forward. I love that because I I broke my knee, right, I (inaudible) tibial plateau. And for that first day, I was in fear and all these things. And then I went to the studio is like what is possible from right now. And that's what we say at OPC all the time.

Lesley Logan 38:16

And so I love this Be It Action item. Because first of all, if you're dogmatic about anything, you are creating a cold for yourself or you're in one, period. Second, you are only seeing roadblocks, you are not being solution-oriented. So I think that that's a really great like little be solution-oriented, like put that on a post-it and put it somewhere you can watch it, read it. And then instead of roadblocks, look for a possibility. So for for me when I see a client who's like, I can't do this. I'm like, okay, what can you do? Right? So when we teach OPC classes, I'm like, oh, you can't do this. What can you do? What wasn't actualized was a challenge for you. So the more you can look, start to see things as green lights versus red. I think you're gonna see that your life has a lot more opportunity in it. And you're actually there's like people who are creating pathways for you. So anyways, I fucking love you, Michael. We are happy that you're a family member in our life. Absolutely.

Lesley Logan 39:10

I'm Lesley Logan

Brad Crowell 39:11

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 39:12

Thank you so much for listening. Episode 299. You know, I actually, when we started this, I was like, What's 300 gonna feel like? I had no idea. And I'm gonna tell you right now. It feels really great. And also how, the fact did we do that? How did time fly?

Brad Crowell 39:27

It still feels like it's fast.

Lesley Logan 39:29

Feels fast.

Brad Crowell 39:30

Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Lesley Logan 39:30

Yeah, anyways, we have some epic, epic episodes, I highly recommend going back through You can use the website to search different topics and find the

Brad Crowell 39:38

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Lesley Logan 39:53

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Brad Crowell 39:58

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Brad Crowell 40:36

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 40:40

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Lesley Logan 41:08

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Brad Crowell 41:11

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Michael's unique experiences that influenced his perspectives.
• The role of skills in aiding personal development.
• The disadvantage of dogmatic thinking on the path to self-discovery.
• The value of stepping out of routine to gain fresh perspectives.
• The transformative power of committing to personal aspirations.

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• Get the book, The Top Five Regrets of the Dying, by Bronnie Ware

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Michael Unbroken, Founder of Think Unbroken, is a best-selling author, speaker, podcast host, coach, and advocate for trauma survivors. From a challenging childhood marred by trauma and abuse, Michael spiraled into substance abuse and obesity. However, a pivotal moment in his mid-20s propelled him to rise from victimhood to become the hero of his own narrative. Since 2016, he has empowered over 100,000 survivors to transform their lives. With multiple books, including the best-seller "Think Unbroken: Understanding and Overcoming Childhood Trauma", speeches in 80 countries, and a collaboration with billionaire Grant Cardone, Michael aims to end generational trauma within his lifetime.

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Episode Transcript:

Michael Unbroken 0:00

Skills have utility. Most people do not have skills that actually matter. Right? That actually like you can be really good at video games. But like, how does that transition into? I'm not saying you can't be successful, like at playing video games? Because you certainly can. But like when you're trying to build something in your life, how do you leverage the skills that you have that you're really good at?

Lesley Logan 0:24

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

All right, Be It Babe, I am so excited because we have one of my dearest friends like, I probably like I feel like he's a brother from another mister and mother. But he's totally family to Brad and I, it's Michael Unbroken. And we've had him on the podcast before, in fact, one of your favorite podcasts to listen, we got so many reviews, I got so many DMs about that episode. And so I brought him back. And it's just really fun. Because he's a dear friend, we got to go really deep on some conversations and, and share some of our own things. So I hope that you enjoy hearing this conversation about integrity and goals and taking time for yourself and like your worth. We talked about a lot of things. And so I really hope you enjoy it. I also want to say that there are stories in our lives that can be triggering to some people. And so if that does happen just forward, you know, and please, you won't offend us, make sure you take care of yourself and honor that about you. But I do think it's important that you do hear about how Michael grew up, or how I've grown up, because it's so easy to look where we are right now. And think that we have it all together. And it's and it must be nice for us. And the truth is, is that like we've made decisions along the way, that put us in situations that we were in and got us out of situations we're in and also put us where we are today. And I really think it's important that you know that the grass isn't always greener on the other side it's probably Astroturf anyways, at this point, and also people's lives are from choices they made. And you might not know the whole story. But you are allowed to have what you want. You are allowed have the life that you want, you are worthy of those things. And I do hope that this conversation really does help you see that and helps you understand how people like us have made decisions and gotten where we are. And we hope that for you. So here is Michael Unbroken.

All right, Michael, welcome back.

Michael Unbroken 3:10

Yo

Lesley Logan 3:10

I'm so excited you're here, in the flesh.

Michael Unbroken 3:13

Real life.

Lesley Logan 3:14

I know. I love. I love actually doing these in person. I know you do most of your interviews in person, but I actually think it's quite fun. And it's also not so nice. I have a friend who lives in Vegas come over to do this interview. You when we last had you on you were living in Denver. So what's new?

Michael Unbroken 3:30

Well, I mean living here, kind of I guess quasi right. Being on the road all the time makes it feel very difficult. But I've just come to accept like, that's my reality. Like, I like being on the road. I mean, you get it right, because you're on the road all the time.

Lesley Logan 3:45

Yeah, I think you I think, I don't know, I think you choose your choices. Like that's kind of my thing. So like, I don't want people like, oh my God, you're so busy. I'm like, I chose all these things. So like, I don't really feel comfortable. Like, I'm not gonna complain about it. Because if I complain, it means I want to change something. And if I don't change it, then I'm not gonna complain about it.

Michael Unbroken 4:04

I watched, have you ever seen Up in the Air? That George Clooney movie? (inaudible) fires people. Yes, there's a scene where he's like in the lounge, taking out all the cards out of his wallet. He's got I got this card, and this card, and this rewards card and that card and I was just like, that's my life. And, and there's a scene where like, this new girl has come into the company, and they're gonna try to make everything virtual. This is like a road warrior. And he's like, I don't want to do that. And that's how I feel. Because I love I love the adventure. You know? And it's like, that's part of the choice that we make in everything. It's not that it's not difficult. I mean, there's sacrifices, right? Because it's like, if you want to go be this person, it hurts friendships, it hurts relationships, it hurts having a normal life, but also the ones that you have are better in this weird way, because you're actually like here.

Lesley Logan 4:57

Yeah, I think first of all, I think it's like It really changed. You have to be more communicative with the people in your life like, this is the life I live in. This is how I can hang out with you. And this is how I can spend time with you. And when I'm with you, this is how I will show up, I promise.

But it forces communication, and some people don't like it like, I, people in my family, you travel so much, you never see us. And it's like, well, it's so they never see you. It's just I don't see you as much as you probably would like, and that would make you feel comfortable. But we don't always get what we want. And as long as I'm like operating in integrity, and I'm communicative with you, I think we can make it work. But I also find that I have tried doing nothing we did in the pandemic like I did, I stood around here for two years and didn't really go a lot of places. And there was something nice about being home and having a routine. But I love it on the road. So I have tried to figure out like a balance, like I don't think I go on the road as much as you I'm like, one trip a month is plenty, two trips a month, I'm like it better, wherever I'm going, number two better be amazing.

Michael Unbroken 6:12

Well, but also like, if you think about it, it's a choice, we've decided to do this, I decided that I'm going to be the one who gets on the plane and go to seven cities in a month and speak at all these events and blah, blah, blah. But at the same time, if you think about it, when we make intention, like we had lunch together two weeks ago or whatever, we we don't flake on each other. Like here it is like we're going to do this. And I think a lot of people don't take advantage of the time that they actually have with people. And they reschedule and they cancel. And they're like all do it this time. And then we'll see you next time. And you know, and people always will go, oh, it's not a big deal that you canceled on. And I'm like, actually, it's a freakin huge deal. Like you, you have to understand like time, time is the one variable we don't get more of. And so I'm like, if I make plans with my friends, you know this, I have guys' night, Brad comes to it, it's like I have all these different things in my life where it's like I try to build this framework of time knowing that it's really the only thing that because I can't get back it has to take precedent over everything. So I'm with you. I'm present with my friends I'm present, like I'm not in whatever other element of life I could be in in that moment.

Lesley Logan 7:29

I love that you brought it up not flaking on each other because I I actually was looking back at our our text messages. And it was all I saw were like dates. Like we're like sending each other dates back and forth, to have an intentional opportunity to actually hang out.

So I was looking back at our text message. And we were very intentional on dates, we sat and we've talked about a couple of our friends who will sort of flake out on things. And it's like, I just, I don't make plans with you. Yeah, it's really, and that's kind of, I think it's hard for a lot of people who are people pleasers, or like they want to be liked. And it's like, of course, I don't want people to hate me. But I also have to understand that if I'm set aside the precious time that I have in town to be with you or to be wherever I am, if I'm coming into your town, I'm going to be there. If I set that aside, it means I'm not doing something with anyone else, including I'm not doing anything for myself. I'm just doing something to hang out with you. So if you're going to flake, it happens, it's I'm not asking for perfection. But be honest. And really make sure you let me know as soon as possible. You know, I mean, it's not like we're perfect, but I do think the intention is there and when you do have to reschedule something, you know, being intentional about how you reschedule that not like, hey, let's reschedule for another day. It's like, okay, well, that's never gonna happen.

Michael Unbroken 9:11

Like how integress are you? Right? Where's your level of integrity? That's what I think about with it. Because especially and like I get like not most people don't live lifestyles like us, right? And that's fine. And you don't have to like if you do the nine to five thing, cool. But like still, it's like, why are you flaking on your friends when this? Everything changed for me in like, I guess it was probably eight years ago now. Nine years ago. I got a text from one of my buddies and he's like, hey, Wasn't this your friend? And he sends me a link to an online news article. My childhood best friend Seth, this guy that I did everything with from the time that we were like 11 years old. Have I told you this story? So Seth and I grew up very very similar circumstances his dad was this crazy alcoholic. His mom was working like three jobs. We both go to the same elementary school, we go to the same high school for a period of time, we both played football together wrestled everything like we're best friends. Actually, the first tattoo I ever got was with him. We went and you know, this is 2004. We're dead broke, we have no money, he found a way to make money. And one day he calls me he's like, hey, you know, we can go make $150 if we sell our plasma? Yes, that's true. You can. So we went well. And this is, you know, 20-something years ago, where not only do we go sell the plasma once we do it like three times in one day.

Lesley Logan 10:41

Can you sell that much?

Michael Unbroken 10:42

No, of course not. But like everything was paper that it wasn't all digitized. So, we're gonna make all this money. And we go get these tattoos. So I have a matching tattoo with him. And he's working a job at this Johnny Rockets downtown Circle Center Mall, Indianapolis, flipping burgers, doing fries, whatever. I had just gotten a job at a Wendy's. And I was a general manager in training. So making 36 grand a year at 18 years old.

Lesley Logan 11:09

That's millions of dollars for an 18-year-old.

Michael Unbroken 11:13

Not only that, but if you look at 2004 that's probably 100 grand a year. Like it's real money. Yeah, I'm on my own. I have my own car, my own place, everything. And he's fucking flipping these burgers. And I'm like, dude, fuck that. Come work over here. I'll get you a job. Now I got him the interviewer he ends up getting himself the job. Well, three weeks into it. He just stops coming. And I would, think about that, I'm 18, I put my name on the line, I'm like, we're about to get a $500 bonus or whatever. And, and I come to find out, he's back at Johnny Rockets, fucking flipping burgers, making $4 an hour or whatever. I was irate. Like, you have no idea how mad I was. Now I look at it differently. I'm like, Well, we're on our own path. Like it's not up to me what he does. I stopped talking to him, replying to him, text messages, AIMs, you know, (inaudible) Myself, My Spaces, nothing and he would call me all the time for years. And nothing. I was so mad at this guy. And he was my best friend, he's like my brother. And I get this text from another mutual friend. I'm like 29-30 years old. And it's a link to a news article in the Indy Star, Indiannapolis man shot dead in his living room.

Lesley Logan 12:36

Oh my God.

Michael Unbroken 12:37

And somebody had walked into Seth's house, it's a bad drug deal gone bad. And just blew his fucking brains out. Close cast it whole nine. And it took I still don't know that. I'm entirely like through that. Yeah. But that moment shifted everything for me because I was like, I never get to apologize. I never get to fix this. I never get across this bridge. I never this friendship that meant more to me than anything. He was my brother. He was the person that was with me when I got kicked out of the house, when I got expelled from high school, the first time I ever had sex, like it was at his house like, it was like this whole thing. And because I felt my, the ego has such a need to be right, to be wrong, and to be offended. It was all of them. And it took away that relationship. And then my best friend Kevin got murdered. Neither one of my friends get and I was just like, man, like, you've got, your people have to be the most important thing. Because I never get to have that conversation with him. And so when like, I think about the times we schedule or my guys' night, which Brad comes to or when I'm on the road and I make the time, the same for you guys, you guys were on the road and made the time to come hang out with me in Denver. I'm like, I'm gonna show up. Because I don't know if I get tomorrow with you.

Lesley Logan 14:00

Yeah, I all of that is really sad. And, and there's those moments that like, really teach us something, you know? And, you know, who knows? If you had answered an AIM, what would have been the change there, but I think, I think it's really important that you kind of we kind of understand ourselves a little bit more and those things, it's like, like, you get to go back and go, how would I wanted to handle that? And it doesn't mean it would have changed any other outcome. But maybe you would have been able to feel like at least I said, my thing because I think anyone listening be like, of course, I would not talk like you put your name on the line, even at 18, even at 40 like that stuff matters you know, so but I do agree. It's like, it's like how can how, what is integrity to us, like what feels integral and how to want to operate there and it doesn't always mean that it will be the right thing. Like, looking back you might be like I felt like it was an integrity then but that didn't go the way I expected it to go. But I think it's we have to have values. I think it goes back to that's one of the values that we have in our lives as for Brad and I, and then also in our business, it's like, if we say, We're gonna do something, and we can't do it, we have to communicate why we can't do it. Otherwise, we're out of integrity. And that, that makes people not trust you or not want to be around you or want not want to participate with you and I, and we all what is life if you don't have these relationships, whether they're in your town where you are or out in the world where you get to be like, I live for the cause I have my girlfriends who don't even live in this town with me. But they get what I do. They understand what I'm going through. And some days, I'm gonna go like yesterday, I had a girlfriend at a coffee date with a girlfriend. And it's been a few months since we talked and she was like, how are you doing? I said, well, to be honest, in this moment, not great. And if we hadn't set this up three months ago, I would still be in bed right now. Because I'm not having a good day. But we had this call. So I'm here and I'm just letting you know, I'm not my best. And she's like, Well, I'm not my best. Let's talk about what's going on. And then what do we each need. And that was such a great moment to have. And because of integrity, because I want to live my life. I showed up for that call.

Michael Unbroken 16:00

Yeah, there's like three ways that I, three rules to life. And, and this is for me, and I try to like instill this in my clients. I look for this in my friendships and the people I date and potential relationships, business partnerships, everything. And it's like, number one, are you honest? Number two, do you show up? Even when you don't want to. Because you're like, Fuck, man, I'm no, I'm just having a day. Want to stay in bed, I'm gonna Netflix and chill, whatever, right? And then three is like execute. Do you actually follow through? Right? Because showing up is like being in the room. But executing is like I'm doing the thing. Because you see this you coach people, right? In business and in personal. Yes, people who like you lay out the game plan. And they're in it, and they're hyped up. And they're like, I'm gonna do everything. And then they go home and nothing is different. You know, and so I'm like, are you doing all three of those? And the reason why it's so important to me is like, I used to not do any of that. Like, I mean, you know, my story. People may have listened to me on here before, but it's like, and people who are listening to this on the other podcast, they know my story, like I was a piece of shit. Yeah, you know, when it's like, do you want to be that?

Lesley Logan 17:07

Yeah, I think what I love is when I love that you share your story so much, because it allows people to see you can change, like, maybe you felt like you were a piece of shit back then. And like you've look what you've done with your life, and how you and how you're acting. And that execution is so hard. I actually have two calls tomorrow with people who are not executing what they signed up for. And they're not getting, they're seeing everyone in the group surpass them. And so now they're like, double downing on themselves and how not where they want to be. And like, there's a lot of judgment, there's a lot of things that they're saying, and it's like, I hear you like they are going further. And I understand that life is sucking right now. But you also still have to show up for yourself in some capacity. How do you like what are the ways that you help people kind of actually execute not just be in the room? Yeah,

Michael Unbroken 17:55

I think well, you know, I try to lead first, right? So it's funny, I was just coaching a client driving over here. And it's like, even if I have to get in the car and drive half an hour to the other side of town, because I have a commitment which I then it's my bad because like, here's what's interesting in this space I'm in right now. Like I'm not a slave to time in the way I normally am, which I think is actually a good thing to be a student of your calendar. I'm just kind of like nonchalant about everything. And I was getting ready to head over here. I was like, oh, I have a coaching call right now. Which isn't the norm, right? But but it's about like, recognizing that you have to do the thing. Right. And sometimes it's like, yeah, make a small pivot. But what I'm always trying to get to, like, at the end of the day, like, if my head is on the pillow, did I do everything I said I was gonna do. And I don't allow myself to go to bed if I didn't. And that's like a consequence. And I think that we need to be able to give ourselves consequences for our lack of action. And I don't necessarily mean like consequences. It's pain, like you don't have to like self-flagellate. Right, but it's like, I'm not going to bed till I'm done.

Lesley Logan 19:05

Yeah, I also think that helps you understand, like, how much you can actually promise that you'll do that day, because you're not gonna, you're not gonna want to (inaudible).

Michael Unbroken 19:15

I was like, that's too much. Right. But it's all this is about know thyself. It's like, okay, so you're gonna have these coaching call clients tomorrow, like, what about them? Because in my mind, you say that to me, and I go, well, they're trapped. They're stuck in their own mindset, which can be easily solved by taking an action. Yeah. So what are you presenting today?

Lesley Logan 19:35

Yeah, I mean, that's, that's what I'm thinking about today. And what I'm going to figure out in the meeting, because the actions that I gave them last time, I thought were so here's what I know as a habits coach, like trained with BJ Fogg. Like on calls. He is the behavior scientist from Stanford. He's the one every Habits book has copied.

Michael Unbroken 19:55

Yeah, and you're about those habits too, because you'll text me at like 6:30 in the morning. You're like I'm on the mat.

Lesley Logan 20:00

I know I'm like are you on your pet mat? So I, so here's what I know, the people that typically are attracted to the type of work that I do, they're typically perfectionist overachievers, and so they have a really hard time doing little. But what the science shows is that you do not create habits unless you actually achieve, you actually have to complete things, get tough wins, you have to celebrate, you have to be kind to yourself. And so if you are in a judgment shame zone, I promise you, you will never ever, ever create a habit around that thing because your brain's gonna be like, I don't want or that thing brings me shame, it makes me feel stressed, it doesn't make me feel good about myself. So I had thought that the five minutes of taking time for themselves was actionable. And now I think I need to get even more specific, I need them to get more specific with me with what those five minutes are gonna be or what that one is going to be because maybe five minutes to do anything for themselves is almost still too much. And that's okay, like, this is what's so important. I'm not gonna get mad at myself for I'm not gonna go Oh, that was done Lesley, didn't help them enough. It's like, every single person is different. For some people, they need the freedom of those five minutes being anything. And for some people, it needs to be very specific. These five minutes are for me to go for a walk. And it's important that people know themselves and you're not going to know yourself until you make it until you do it in a way it didn't work. Like that's just you won't know maybe, like, you know this about your business. Like, have you ever like done something your business at like, freakin like sores, and you're like, Wow, that was amazing. But then you got to redo it again, it doesn't have the same thing because like, you almost learn better when the idea fails, because you're like, Okay, we could have done that better. We could have done this better. Like when it wins the first time. You're not really sure what was the thing that was the best?

Michael Unbroken 21:46

I think that's all life though. I mean, if I go track back everything I've ever done, it's always been like, sometimes things work really well. And sometimes they don't. And I think the hard part about it is like recognizing like it actually doesn't matter at the end of the day. What matters is like, are you still going forward? And I think that's where people get trapped. And so I have the benefit of my side of being a nihilist. Like I don't care about anything, which is really weird, right? There's a juxtaposition.

Lesley Logan 22:14

So funny, because I think you would care so much.

Michael Unbroken 22:16

Well, there's a juxtaposition I live my life in, right? So think about this. Name your great, great grandpa.

Lesley Logan 22:23

Oh

Michael Unbroken 22:23

Exactly. Right. And so people always are talking about legacy. Like I'm gonna build a legacy I'm gonna build outside of a few outliers. We have some Tony Robbins, and Napoleon Hills and Abraham Hicks and those people will live a bit longer than the average. But most people can't name their great great grandpa, let alone their grandfather. Yeah, but yet we live in this society that pushes legacy go do the thing. And I'm like, it actually doesn't matter. Like at the end of the day, nothing that we do matters. And here's what I hold simultaneously. One that concept paired with everything they fucking do in this moment is the most important thing that I do. Right. And so if you can, like wrap your head around that it's a weird sense of freedom. So like, even though like I build businesses, and I coach people, I speak on the stages, the podcast, blah, blah. It's like, as I look down the tunnel, I got the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter. And we hold ourselves to this account where it's like, man, like it's got to be perfect. Like, no it doesn't. My book here, let me say this real quick, because you'll see why, why I said this. My first book has like a ton of reviews on Amazon, on Barnes and Noble, on Apple. All of them are five stars. The first book, except for one, one, and it's a two-star review. And the person goes, I couldn't get through the book. The grammar is terrible.

Oh, I have that review, too. I have Yeah, all fives and then I have that person.

Here's why I don't care about the five stars or the two stars. Because I did that for me. I was like, I'm gonna write a fucking book. And I'm gonna write another one. And I'm gonna do another one and then make the podcast and then I'm gonna speak on stages. I'm gonna write coaching programs, I'm gonna do all that. And it's just like, I'm just going to do it. But people who are in that perfectionist mindset, they're trapped in the idea of the other person's opinion is so important that if they get the two-star review, it will cripple them. And I'm just I don't care and so maybe that makes me very nonchalant but you see how I operate in the world?

Lesley Logan 24:32

Yeah, cuz I because when I said it's, I think you care a lot. I actually the word care is not that you care about what I think. I feel that you care about the people that you put yourselves in a room with, like whenever I'm in a room with you, or Brad's in a room with you. We can tell that you care about the people in that room in that moment. So you like so I think it's really fascinating. And it goes kind of back to what we've been talking this whole time is that integrity but also that intentionality of like you're you're, you're like, in this moment, this is all that I'm really here that matters. And that once I leave this moment, it, whatever it's over and what anyone says about that moment, whether they were there or not, it doesn't actually pertain to me. Because that moment over and I can't change it.

Michael Unbroken 25:15

This is why can't get canceled. Right, right. And I've been attempted to be canceled four times. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I have a question for you. Because I think this is important. What did you get a two-star review? How do you feel about that?

Lesley Logan 25:29

At the time? At the time, I wasn't really ready for it. Anything. well, like I read it, and it was kind of like, exactly the, my worst fear. You know, it was a grammar one and I had an editor go through it.

Michael Unbroken 25:44

Why was it your worst fear?

Lesley Logan 25:45

Because my grammar isn't awesome. And so like I was I didn't want anyone to see the grammar problems and not get the what the book was about, like I wanted the book to actually help them. And I didn't want the grammar to take away from helping them. So I did hire an editor. They didn't catch everything. No one does not perfect. So when I got that, of course, like it felt like the wind got knocked out of me. Now this is 10 years ago, very different person. And I let the wind get and luckily, I lived in L.A. at the time, and I did drive around at the time. So I was in traffic and I let myself like get the wind knocked out of me. And then I got angry at the person. And I got like whoever this person was, because I was like, fuck you like going to the whole thing. But I was like, Wait a minute. This is not an English book. This is a book to make sure that Pilates instructors stopped getting swindled out of their dollars, because people are selling them ship programs, period. And do the do any of the commas or periods and their fuck up that message. No, they don't. So I wrote back. It's a good thing. I'm not an English teacher, I hope that you don't get swindled out of the wrong programs, you know, and, and good luck on your journey. And I was like and I it did take me the whole day to get there. Now I might expect much quicker. Now I like I laugh so hard, because people on YouTube love to write a ton of shit about me. But my people come for them, which is also a lot of fun. But I think like it also you have to get to a point where you can go I didn't do this. Like I had to get to the point where it's like, Wait, am I didn't do this for that person. I I hadn't done it for me yet. But I absolutely did it to help people. And I and it was a particular group of people and that person, wasn't it. And so I had to like learn whose opinions of me matter. Oh, not that person. It wasn't who he's doing it for.

Michael Unbroken 27:26

Yeah. And that's, that goes back to the egos need to be right. Why even give the energy to respond? Oh, yeah, I like and part of it. You want the rebuttal because you be like a fuck your mother. Yeah. Like, that's how I think about. And I and I work really, really hard. Because like, I have very strong opinions like you know, me personally like is there are times where I say shit where most people like, I cannot believe you just said that. And I'm like, why? Like, if we have freedom of speech, and part of being human being is the ability to express who we are. In what I'm not saying there's not consequences, because there certainly are, but I'm like, I'm gonna do it anyway. Yeah. And I think that in that there's, there's, again, I'm gonna tie into that word freedom. When I rebuttal to people, I really take a step back. And I'm like, what does this serve? Right? Because I think that we want to argue and fight and we have this need to be right all the time. And I do too. And it's something that I have to really think about, because there's like seven times a day where I'm like, I need to be right. And a hard part about is I'm right a lot. And so it just fuels my ego more. And then when I'm wrong, which I really appreciate, when somebody will sit across from me and be like, you're looking at it wrong. I learn. And there's power in that. And I think that you have to be willing to be a learner.

Lesley Logan 28:49

Yeah. I think that's hard for people. It's like, our entire way that we're educated on this planet on this country that we're we're both in is like to get the A. And it's so pointless, because all it teaches is like don't just copy the Smart kid in class, because, like, why get in trouble. And so you have to be right, when it's like, it's so much more important to value the journey that you got there. And like how you got that answer and like, where that came from. And like, I think that's really hard because people it's not that they want to be. They have to be right in front of you or in front of somebody else. It's they're afraid if they're wrong, then people are going to judge them for being wrong. And it's like, no, it's okay to learn. It's okay to go. Oh, I never thought about that way. That's not the life experience I had. So of course, I didn't think about that way. Thank you for letting me know about a different life experience.

Michael Unbroken 29:40

And that's because we think that people are thinking about us.

Lesley Logan 29:43

Oh, right. They're not?

Michael Unbroken 29:44

They're not. Like, nobody gives a shit about you. I mean, that's a very crass way of saying it but like, realistically, like nobody's thinking about me right now.

Lesley Logan 29:54

That is well and that is something that takes a long time for people to even I haven't even read Recently, there was something that was going on around the holidays where I had, like, it felt like everyone was thinking about me, just because a lot of people were reaching out. I am, but because there were people, a lot of people reaching out, which made me think, oh my God, a lot of people are thinking about this. But when it came down to it, I looked at the statistics of what was going on. And I actually looked at things I was like, oh, not many people are thinking about this. And so I'm stressing about what people are thinking about me when really, they're not. And it's such a freeing moment to go. They're not and that's okay, it is okay. What,

Michael Unbroken 30:31

like, why did that shift for you? Because like, you're a public figure, like me, you've had your face up on big alas billboards, and you're, you know, this person that people look towards for stuff, whatever that stuff is that you have at the moment. Like, what? I know this about myself, I'm gonna create codecs. But for the question, I know this about myself, I was invisible as a kid. Growing up being homeless, being the worst kid in school being the kid who smelled like garbage, who wore clothes from the goodwill in the church, who was on the the food stamp cards and ever I was invisible. And I played sports. And I was particularly fond of wrestling, because it was me versus one person. And I have a bunch of championships wrestling, because I love being on the podium and being first place. And it was like my, I am fueled by this need to be seen. I know this about I will admit this publicly. Why do I like speaking in front of 10,000 people? Because motherfuckers are paying attention to me. Yeah, right. And so with what you just said, how do you? How do you handle like, okay, I'm this public persona. But at the same time, I recognize people don't think about me.

Lesley Logan 31:43

Yeah, I well, first of all, I remember like, I love the Hero's Journey, and I love reminding myself, I'm the guide, not the hero. So I think that that's important.

Michael Unbroken 31:54

Context (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 31:55

Yeah. So, so in what we do, as coaches as people who have ideas of solutions for problems that people want to have solved, it is so important for people that for people who work with me to understand that they're solving the problem, I'm just presenting an option for them. And like, if you like, here's the option, I can take you across this bridge, but you're still, you're still the one that shines, you're still the one that is the rock star, you're still the one that did it, I cannot do it for you. And so for me, like, that's kind of how I keep it in check. It's like, whoa, hold on. Because if it really bothers me that I'm trying to be the hero of their story. And that's not why I got into this. And that's that, well, that's not sustainable. That's not That's exhausting. And that's like, you have to be too many things that too many people. But as a guide, it's like, well, you can choose me as your guide. Or you could choose you as your guide, or there's like 17 other thousand people in the city that you could choose as your guide. And that's the choice that they have to make. So that's kind of how I do it. And it's and that's not easy when I can see that I am the guide for this person. Like there's that ego like I know, I can help them, then my job is to make sure that my messaging and what I put out in the world makes them feel comfortable for me to be their guide, but I still can't be like me, me, me, me, me. You have to do that yourself. And then I think the other year, we're talking about being seen. I think it's so interesting to go back and wonder why you do things because I do all this stuff so that people belong because I never felt like I belonged. I felt like the weirdest I felt like the weird kid in town.

Michael Unbroken 33:21

You are the weird kid.

Lesley Logan 33:22

I am still the weird kid.

Michael Unbroken 33:23

But I am too. And that's why we get along.

Lesley Logan 33:25

Yeah, so like, I again, like because I'm sure people that I grew up with Listen, it's not that I don't think I had friends. It's that I actually just never felt like I was I always felt like the outsider in the group, partly because I did not have money. And I did not have the new clothes. My grandmother was a secretary at an elementary school. And so at the end of every school term, we would go through the clothes that were left behind, because the kids left behind, you know, they had good clothes I had so I had the best jean jackets of the 90s. Like you would have thought I was rich because I had all these jean jackets.

Michael Unbroken 33:59

But you're just a year behind.

Lesley Logan 34:00

A year behind and they're someone else's that left them behind. But like I just I felt like

Michael Unbroken 34:04

Did you have a moment where a kid came up to you and like, that's my jacket.

Lesley Logan 34:07

Thank goodness. No, because

Michael Unbroken 34:08

It happened to me once. It was one of the most embarrassing experiences of my entire childhood. It was a Tommy Hilfiger jacket. It was one of those pullovers it was red, white and blue I'll never forget it and I was like, oh my God cuz it was it was in the lost and found and I didn't have a coat because we're fucking poor. And like the one of the teachers gave it to me from Lost and Found a week later this kids like that's my jacket.

Lesley Logan 34:30

Ah, that hurts my soul because I do understand that like, so I I do everything to involve community, there has to be community aspect. And it's because like, I just know how important it is to feel like you belong in a group and you're safe in a group and that people miss you and expect you to be in that group. And so that's kind of how I can that's what everything is driven. If you look at anything we do, there's a community to it. There just is we do the FYFs here because I want to, it's the only way I can show the listener communities stuff like

Michael Unbroken 35:03

What does FYF mean?

Lesley Logan 35:04

Oh, Fuck Yeah Fridays, do you do this?

Michael Unbroken 35:06

No.

Lesley Logan 35:07

You should.

Michael Unbroken 35:08

What is it?

Lesley Logan 35:08

I mean, you celebrate things all the time, so maybe don't need it. But FuckYeah Friday is like if I would love people to celebrate their wins every single day, but most people won't. So on Fridays, you celebrate a win. And I it's even better if it's a small win or a win that like the project is imperfect or it's not completed yet, but I share the listeners' wins. And then I share a win of mine. And and it's like eight minutes long, nine minuteslong, it is super short. And the whole idea is to get people to think about like, Oh, I've never thought about that being a win. That is a win. Like, just people need to celebrate that they've done shit. They've done stuff and they don't give themselves credit for it.

Michael Unbroken 35:41

Yeah, they don't. I didn't either. For a long time it was I was speaking on set with me the most so if you know Grant Cardone, yeah. he invested in my company, I had spoken at one of his boot camps it was 10,000 people watching. And it was a pitch competition where I was like a shark tank kind of thing. Where I was pitching Think Unbroken, and what I do, and like, I fucking crushed, I destroyed everybody. It wasn't like, and I'll say this too, because I can sometimes probably come off as like, maybe egotistical, but I just believe in myself more than most people believe in themselves. Like, I'm not Kanye level self-belief. But I'm sometimes I'm pretty close.

Lesley Logan 36:22

I'll keep you posted if you cross over.

Michael Unbroken 36:25

That's what you need friends for. Right?

Lesley Logan 36:28

Brad and I go, hey, Kanye, you'll go oh

Michael Unbroken 36:30

If you ever hear me go, I am a God. But like you need that, like I always teach my clients, you need to believe in yourself. Because if you don't who will? And yes, I'm like getting ready to go on stage and do this pitch. And we're in the greenroom with all these other people who are about to pitch this business. And one of the women goes, well, good luck, everybody. But I already won. And I remember I didn't say this verbally, but in my head. I was like, you're fucking insane. You have no idea how much you just fueled me to crush you even more, because I'm super competitive, right? And so we get on stage. Grant goes, who wants to go first, I raised my hand so fast. It's like coming out of my fucking socket. Because I know one rule in business and in life always go first. If it's scary, you're about to do the zipline go first. If it's you got to get on the plane, go first, like, always go first. Always, always always. Because automatically, you will present yourself as a leader and the alpha in the situation, which I think is important, because we don't have enough leaders in this world right now. Yeah. And so I go first, I crush literally like the next four people are like literally blah, blah, blah. It's like incredible to watch. And not for them. But for me and stuff. And so, at the end Grant goes, okay, yeah, this is no-brainer. We know who won. And it was me. I knew I won because I envisioned it a thousand of times leading up to that moment. I have done this speech a zillion times.

And he said something to me. And it sits with me going to Fuck Yeah Friday, he said to me, dude, hold on, take your flowers. And that means like, in that moment, or whenever it is, celebrate the things that you have done. We move too fast, constantly. Where it's like on to the next on the next on the next. And I think that's entrepreneurs, especially we're guilty of this where I'm like, I did something incredible. And I'm like, automatically over the next thing. And it's like, hold on, pause. Maybe it's not. I just spoke in front of 10,000 people because, for most people, that's not what it's gonna be. But maybe it's I brush my teeth today. That's where my journey started. Like, for real? I was like, get out of fucking bed dude, go brush your teeth. That in some days, that's all I did. Yeah. And I think that that's what people have to recognize. Because that gives you a win. And if you have one win you start stacking them and it becomes exponential and compounding, and then next thing you know, a year later your life is different. How do you so how do you celebrate your wins? How do you take your flowers?

Lesley Logan 38:57

Oh, I'm a verbal processor. So you will hear me around this house going fuck yeah, I'm amazing. Just killed that, like,

Michael Unbroken 39:06

Fucking ego maniac.

Lesley Logan 39:08

Like I do and like so there's this hilarious story. I was in this program with Jay Grimes and he is one of the last living people to study with Joseph Pilates and you had to like basically assess, to stay in the program. And I was really certainly with this last last portion of it. I could never get all the exercises done in the time that I knew how to get them done. I was really struggling and and I was a little nervous because I was like, oh my god, like if I can't get this done in this time, I'm going to miss out and I'm not going to graduate with my friends. I'm not going to finish my friends like then there's an ego of like, do it all over again and wait till next year. And I was like, Hold on. Okay, we're just gonna visualize it. So I went there that day and I like got there an hour early and I just visualized myself doing every single exercise every single station doing it and like I'm like having a good time. So when I did the actual assessment There was an exercise that I really struggled with and I did it and I as I was finishing, like, fuck yeah, I'm amazing. And I wanted the next thing and he just was like, what? Because no one talks and I'm like, nailed that did that. Whether I did or not this person who was judging me, they're going okay, I guess she nailed it. But like so that's my first started noticing that that was one of my best pep talks. For me it was just like saying it out loud. That might not work for other people. You might want to dance or maybe have a high five your kids or something like that. But that worked really well for me. And I still do this to this day.

And when you were talking about that, it made me think of the have you read the book? The Big Leap?

Michael Unbroken 40:36

No, I have not.

Lesley Logan 40:37

Gay Hendricks people listen to the pod. I talk about this book all the fucking time. It's an annual read for me. If you listen to books on it right now. It listen to it at one point for speed. It's like your grandfather, you never had read you a lovely story, because maybe your grandfather was lovely. My grandfather's were like realist, bringing negative people. So like, wasn't my grandpa, but the grandpa I wanted. So he has, there are different things we do to upper limit ourselves. And specifically, when we are winning specifically, when we like have a win, it pulls us out of our comfort zone, because in our comfort zone, like we're probably not winning all the time. So when we do something that pulls us out of our comfort zone, there are things that we do to upper limit ourselves and then pull ourselves back in and want there's a there's like seven of them. One of them is self-deprecation. Another one is worrying. Another one is picking fights. Some people get sick, I had a client who every time she met a guy that she liked, and had a date with him one date with them, she would lose her fucking voice gone for six months. So the relationship effectively died because there's no second date because she lost her voice for six months. And I was like, I'm just gonna say this. I think you're, I think you're doing this to yourself, I think this is like a nonsense in your head. But like, There's something so you've been on three dates and 18 months and you've lost your voice three times like this is really a thing. So I am someone who and you got to know this about yourself so you can catch it. So I'm the person when I complete something. And I have a win I will look for all the things that aren't completed yet. And I will go focus on like all the things that aren't going well. So like I had this big win and like well this didn't go well and this and go on this thing over here is not done and we're not doing that the right way. Instead of actually just taking a moment to Grant Cardone's thing picking the flowers and so now it's so important and Brad is very much on board with us when we have a win we just celebrate the win. Tomorrow, two hours from now, whenever we can actually look at the other things that have to happen but right now it's just celebrating the win and really like sitting in that and maybe we light a candle I don't know like what do we do sometimes like the money handle like it happens but like it's so so important because otherwise you're just building the muscle that pulls you back into your comfort zone.

Michael Unbroken 42:52

Yeah, what is the money candle?

Lesley Logan 42:54

Oh welcome to my house.

Michael Unbroken 42:56

Is it made out of money?

Lesley Logan 42:58

No it has it has crystals inside and you do an encantation inviting money in and then you light the money candle and then ideally leave it burning until it burns itself out and then there's crystals inside that are that are like you know incensed with your vision or your dream I'm currently am this week while I'm working burning the obstacle remover candle

Michael Unbroken 43:22

We are so different.

Lesley Logan 43:27

But like I I'm a visual person verbal processor, so having that burning like as soon as like I'm like, oh, like we're like we're doing it we're gonna like it just helps me like remind myself my things, but I get them they don't pay for this show, House of intuition, they they sell these candles. I fucking love it.

Michael Unbroken 43:44

I laugh because you know me I'm not very (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 43:48

I would say that Brad is a (inaudible) guy and he burns the money candle.

Michael Unbroken 43:54

Mine is sage like because I have seen like where you might I don't necessarily want to go down this path but like I have seen shit and yeah, I need to sage immediately.

Lesley Logan 44:03

Do you sage with like burning the sage or do you have sage spray? Or do you both? The burning? Oh, I'm gonna show you when you leave the house. I'm gonna show you my sage spray. You need to take it on your trip. It'll fit in your travel pack because you're seeing 10,000 people you got to save yourself.

Michael Unbroken 44:16

Yeah, yeah, there's something interesting about like, as I go deeper into my own personal journey, whether it's with psychedelics, or whether it's just through meditation, or just feeling energy, I've come to realize I'm actually an empath, which is really strange because I always have been able to pick up on tones of emotions feelings, that is a fucking buzzword everybody's an empath now it's like shut up. No, you're not. And then it's like, I feel that and it's like, I realize especially through podcasting, and bringing all these different people into my home into my studio into my life. I'm talking about really heavy shit. Like there's something and look, it might just be psychosomatic where I'm like, if I just sage this house, like I feel better. Yeah. Sage my backpack, like, whatever. That's probably my (inaudible) thing.

Lesley Logan 45:05

I actually, I think that that's, you know, I think some people might like see a white light that cleanses them, I think it's important to have some rituals that help you kind of shed things that are now are not needed in the moment you're in because shit happens like, your mom's going to text you at the worst fucking time and you're like, oh, I don't have time to deal with that right now. And it's like, so it's like, you've kind of have to figure out what works for you. To get back into the headspace you need to be in for the thing that you're wanting to do.

Michael Unbroken 45:34

Yeah, and not be dogmatic too. Like, I think one of the things that I've grown tremendously over the years is to not be dogmatic, right, because that I have found that that is the ultimate fixed mindset. Yeah, you know, when it's like, if you're dogmatic about anything, and there's no room for opportunity touches a favor and grace. And then suddenly, you're like, it's kind of like these people that we coach, right? Because on this one hand, you, you have to be exposed to this new idea. And we lay it out in front of you. And it's like, if you are unwilling, I remember I've only ever, I've never shared this before. So be cautious in the way that I do. I've only ever let go have one client ever in almost a decade of doing this. And this person was so incredibly dogmatic in their belief that this wouldn't work that I had to fire them. Yeah, I believe I hire my clients in the same way they hire me. But it's my time. It's my energy. It's my resources. That's my team, it's. And so this person, I would sit in front of them. And we would have these conversations, and I'm exploring opportunity. And the thing I'm always trying to lay within people's framework is like, be solution oriented. Because if you can just do that there's so much potential in front of you, instead of looking for roadblock, look for possibility. Yeah. And like this, this person, they just refused. And I fire them. And I remember thinking in that moment, you talk about like, evaluating yourself as a person who does this. I'm like, am I a bad coach? Because I couldn't win that person. And I was recently with my mentor, and we have an interview show every Wednesday, where we interview just for three to four people ever, like 600 episodes almost. And I came in later. So I haven't been there for all 600. But the one of the guys were coaches name's Bill, last name fucking escapes me right now. So I apologize. But he said something fascinating to me. He goes, players win games, coaches win players. And, and I was like, but you can't win them. All. Right. And that applies to every, like, that's a great parable for life. Because it's like, you can't win all the time. Right? You're going to suck as a coach, you're gonna suck as a partner, you're gonna suck as a podcaster. You know, as a mom and a dad, as a employee or a business owner, you're gonna have days where you just don't win. But it's like, can you just keep going?

Lesley Logan 48:02

I actually, that's awesome. I really love thinking like that. Because, um, it goes kind of goes back to like, nothing is ever as bad or as good as we're going to expect. Like, like, the worst-case scenario rarely happens. And the best case scenario rarely happens like Brad love you. And he, I love his sheets, like I love like his sheets, like all his calculators, like, we can do this. And I'm like, okay, so it's probably not going to hit that money, it's probably going to hit around like 75% of that, that. So do I want to do it for 75% of that? Is that enough? Is that like, you know, you can have to like understand that, but you're not going to win them all. And what I really find as a as a strength that I have, is that when shit hits the fan, I'm like, Okay, what else is possible? Like I do really well when like, when when something comes up, of course, I'm not perfect. You guys. I do feel my feelings. There are like, a bunch of Fuck yeah, what the fuck is going on? How to who did what? And then it's like, okay, so Well, we're not going to quit now. Like, we can't stop. So what can we do? And I love that question. Like what is possible? I wonder there's a reason why it's tattooed on my left thumb, because I'm left handed. So when I see it, I go, I wonder. I wonder, I wonder like, you open up a loop and your brain can't stop thinking until you close it. And to go back to that client you fired. When you're like, No, that's not going to work period. It, correct. Because you've put a you, you haven't even your brain is not going to search for evidence for it to be true.

Michael Unbroken 49:29

So going back to the big leap, there's something I think about a lot and that's like the next level. There's a guy named Bishop TD Jakes. You know this guy?

Lesley Logan 49:39

Was he not on Oprah?

Michael Unbroken 49:41

He may have been.

Lesley Logan 49:42

Is he a pastor?

Michael Unbroken 49:43

Yes. So he's a pastor.

Lesley Logan 49:45

Black guy?

Michael Unbroken 49:45

Heavyset black dude.

Lesley Logan 49:46

Love him. Love him.

Michael Unbroken 49:48

Super (inaudible) very booming

Lesley Logan 49:51

He has a voice for pastorship.

Michael Unbroken 49:54

One of the probably most prolific speakers of our age. I don't necessarily align in a lot of ways with him. But you don't have to. You don't have to. This is one things I think all the time. Like, you don't have to always like people to learn from them. And he said something so fascinating that I think applies to everything in life. And I think about this almost every day, literally almost every day. He goes new levels, new devils. And that's what I think about in this journey. Because it's like, as we continue to progress and grow, like the next thing is coming. I think about that all the time. It's like Fuck, man. Like this idea that it's gonna get easy if slash when, doesn't exist.

Lesley Logan 50:39

No, I interviewed Ripley Rader. And she had that idea. She's a, you probably don't get these ads, Michael. But I do. She's got these amazing pants look on everybody, right. And so I interviewed her and she had said to her first PR team, she's like, Oh, my God, it's going to be so much easier when x and they looked at her and said, No, you'll just work more. It'll, you'll get there. And then you'll just keep working. Like, it's not easier when and I think if you the sooner you can learn that, the less disappointed you'll be in life. And the more opportunities you'll actually look for TD, TD, he was on Oprah years ago, you guys, I don't know how long ago, but I was I was listening to like, you know, Oprah Supersoul podcast, which is like clips of her show. And this woman was like telling a story. And then it got her life got worse, and her life got worse. And they cut her off. And they said, Stop with the story, because it's just a story. And they're like, if you actually want to move forward with your life, you have to let that go. You have to start, you have to stop holding yourself to the story and your life being what it is because of this instead going what is possible right now. And he told his whole story about some dog, boy, the mom was hit by a car. And so she owned like, she only worked with three legs. And so you drag one of her back legs and so that all the puppies drag their legs. And the reality is it's like they didn't have to they had functioning legs, but they were following along with their mom. And it really we go oh my gosh, like, if I like I don't have kids. But if I don't work on myself, I don't actually figure out how to make things happen then everyone who does get impacted by me will do things the same way just based on observing me. So I want to like better myself the best I can. So I'm not leading people to drag a leg when they don't need to.

Michael Unbroken 52:17

Yeah, that's so good. You know, it's funny, as I just came back from Indianapolis, I grew up there. My little brother just graduated the police academy. And I was having a conversation with my other brother as he was like getting ready to go on stage and do all this shit. Or it might have been after it's one of the I don't remember kind of like that windows all mushed into one time. And he goes, this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for you talking about me. Because if you go look at my life, 25 years old, I'm morbidly obese, smoking two packs a day drinking myself to sleep. I'm massively in debt. I got my car got repoed my fucking girlfriend found out I was cheating on her with like 18 people it was I'm not exaggerating, exaggerating that at all. One of my brothers literally goes never talked to me again, you're not my brother, like my life was complete shambles 13 years ago. And last week, this brother looks at me and goes, this wouldn't be possible without you. And it all comes down to this what you just said. It's like people are watching. They're paying attention. They are looking at you. They're following you. They're tracking you. They're measuring you. And it's like, I decided to take my brother's to a Tony Robbins event. Because even though I'm the trauma guy, and I'm the coach, and you know, all the books in the podcast, and billboards in Times Square of like, don't give a fuck, they're my brothers. They could not care less. Right. They care, but like, less.

Lesley Logan 53:45

Yeah, it's true.

Michael Unbroken 53:47

And so I take them to Tony, and like, their wives are different. But that started with me, or 13 years ago, when my lowest moment I was enough. I had enough of my own bullshit. And it's like, you keep dragging that leg and you wonder why your community sucks. Why Your family is failing. Why your money sucks. Why your relationship is garbage. Why? It's always someone else's problem. Like look in the mirror. You were homeless. It was your fault. Lake, you know what I mean? I'm literally talking to you. Yeah, it's like, it's like, you look at that, and people go, No, it's not your fault. Um, so life is so hard. It's like for everyone. Yeah. So why do you think you're special?

Lesley Logan 54:30

Yeah, I I, one thing I'm really grateful for is my, my, my parents. My dad did a really good job of making sure I knew that there will always be someone richer, smarter, prettier, more experienced than me. Like no matter how high you get today, there's going to be someone who beats you. So you have to always celebrate the work that you did and you're only as good as the the effort you're going to put forward because there's always something better and also, get the fun gotta hear. So there was like this, like, you can be anything you want. And like, and the kindest way but like he really was like, do not get stuck here. But do not get hung up. But you're the best thing that ever happened to this planet.

Michael Unbroken 55:16

Princess mentality super dangerous. heard one of my friends called her kid a princess the other day and I was like, Dude, you're setting them up for failure?

Lesley Logan 55:23

Yeah, I think that like I, one of my my dearest friends, his parents actually never celebrated their grades, they only celebrated the effort, because they're like, so what if you got an eight week Saturday and I have tutors and the best school like you will have you have all the money in the world. So you should get nothing more than the best grade. But did you? Do you like the effort you put into it was the effort you put in worthy of that grade?

Michael Unbroken 55:46

Have you okay, so I love that. Have you ever accomplished a goal that the accomplishment itself felt better than the effort you put in to get to the goal?

Lesley Logan 55:57

I don't think so. Because like, I mean, I think I'm obviously I'm looking back now at things. And so now that I understand the difference between the efforting and the actual accomplishment. Like of course I like a lot of people who are listening to my podcast No, I'm, I'm a second generation plug plays instructor. So the accomplishment of becoming that is super cool. But I don't talk about that certificate. I talk about the journey that got me there. And like that made me the strongest. It challenged me and my mindset and the way I thought about how bodies move and how people act. And how do I teach people in a way that I can never ever go back to the person I was before. So yeah, I think I but I do think that people get obsessed with the accomplishment. They they can't. It's like they're like chasing a like a dog chasing the title. Yes, yes. Yeah. And they're missing out on like, all the things that they gained along the way.

Michael Unbroken 56:51

I still like here's what's interesting. I'm there in some places, but not another's. Yeah, there was still this place in me where I'm like, like, my goals are the screensaver of my phone. And they're fucking crazy. Like, be a 10 time New York best selling author. Like that's insane. Yeah. And I'm like, but here's what's interesting, is like, if I don't hit that goal, fine. Yeah. But I really want to.

Lesley Logan 57:14

Yeah, so we were talking before you hit record, because there's about James Patrick, the photographer, he was on a show, and we're talking, he talks about like goals. And he was like, I never have a goal that I'm going to be on the cover of a magazine, like, I'm never gonna have a goal that I'm going to get the cover magazine, because he said, it's actually not my choice. It is so many people's choice that I'm not even in the room, I don't even know all of them. Like, it's just not it. He's like, instead, my, my goals are the efforts that could produce that goal. So So, and it doesn't mean you can't want to be a New York Times bestseller 10 times over, but that his actual goals for his day for his week for his life are the things that in the put him in the position to get those things. So if he wants to be the cover magazine, he actually has to submit and pitch himself to magazines. And so I work really hard with the people that we coach and our business stuff when they put like, Oh, I'm gonna get seven new clients this month. And I'm like, Hold on, I want that for you. Do you know your conversion rate and how many people it takes you to get a client because that we have to figure out like, how many first time sessions do you have to do if your conversion rate is 50%? Then you need at least 14 First time sessions. Well, then, then we have how do we get for what (inaudible)?

Michael Unbroken 58:33

What's your CTR? Right? What's your AOV? Like and then you really start getting into it, right? And like, obviously, that's for business stuff.

Lesley Logan 58:42

But like it allows you to figure out like, well, what is the actual goal then?

Michael Unbroken 58:45

Because it's measurable, right? And so it's like, actually, this is a really good thought. Because it's like, if I want to write ten New York Times bestselling books, every sentence counts. There's a book on my shelf right now that I finished called unbroken man. And it's great, but it's not phenomenal. So I haven't published it, and I'm rewriting it entirely. This will be I rewrote think unbroken nine times. This little I'm stepping into rewrite number three, on unbroken man. And it will probably be like 15

Lesley Logan 59:20

Yeah, but I think that that's but what I love about that, I'm sure like part of you part of it is annoying, because like, why can I get it done? Number three, but the reality is, is that the journey that gets you to the best one that you want to put out there. You learn more about yourself and it makes the book better so that the people who are reading it, get the most out of it.

Michael Unbroken 59:42

Here's what's it's not annoying, though. And here's why it's not annoying because I decided it's done. I can put it out. But would it be good enough to garner me the cover of The New York time? Right

Lesley Logan 59:54

Right because your goal isn't to write 10 books your book goal is to write 10 worthy bestselling books.

Michael Unbroken 59:59

That's exactly right. Yeah. And so like you talked about with your clients like are, are your goals too vague? Like, are you not dialed in? Like I know exactly what I want. Yeah. And in the journey as in pursuing it, and you hear people say this all the time. So almost is like, are we banging our head against the table here, but it really is about, like, make a very nuanced, specific goal and move towards it. But here's what I do. I hate SMART goals, you know, SMART goal.

Lesley Logan 1:00:27

I know. I hate those. It makes me feel like corporate world, thank God.

Michael Unbroken 1:00:31

When people lay in front of me. Create the smart, actionable, timely, shut up. Nothing has ever been timely. No, like nothing you've ever done. It's always taken too long, longer than you thought or happen quicker than you thought. And then what by proxy happens is you get stuck. And you're like, Man, this isn't done yet. It's been four years. Like I thought I'd write think unbroken. And like three months, it took almost three years. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 1:01:02

Yeah, I I had this woman who was like, you have to do like, God size goals, like your goals need to be like you'd like so. Yeah, we had him back a long time ago. No, like, and I part of me was kind of like, okay, that's a little unrealistic. But part of me like way she explained, it was like, the goals need to be so big that it can't be done by just you kicking your own ass. It, it's going to require preparation meets opportunity equals what people call luck, right? And so she talked about that. And what is fun about that you guys is when you think about a goal that's not smart. That's like actually really big and audacious, and like bold and all these things. It allows you to dream and it gets you out of that can never happen. Oh, that's not gonna happen that amount of time because when we make smart goals, we go okay, well, that can happen in nine months, I guess it has the goal has to be an a year and that like, you know, so we like talk ourselves out of things and we start changing what the actual goal is. But her goal, Her idea was like, just make it super big. And then she's like, then she's like, you go all the way back to where you are today. And you just take one step to show the universe to show yourself that you mean business with this? Because hers was you guys, her name isn't coming to me. So we'll put in the show notes. But hers was you know, she wanted to have a mansion that music videos were were used, like, used her mansion for you guys. She couldn't balance a checkbook. She was so in debt, like, and so she's like, Okay, I'm going to go learn how to balance a checkbook. Millionaires know how to balance their checkbook. And that's what she did. And you know, what happened is when I interviewed her music, music videos, we're using her mansion to do videos. And so I really liked that. I think it's a fun way to make goals happen. But it also I'm a big fan. Like, I love I was the person who did I think we talked about this before, where I would do the maze and I would start at the finish line and I would go backwards. That's how I did all mazes as a kid like all those games, you know, like you can show interesting cause me to write Yeah, hello. It's the best. That's the best way to do it. Well, because it makes sense. Yeah, you got to start so I never did a corn maze. Like as a huge like, I did it one time as a friend. I like fuck this and I cut through the corn maze with my face cover. So I didn't get cut up. But I was like, this is like a this is causing me so much anxiety. But like, and that's what everyone does. Everyone's like, Okay, I see the goal and they're just gonna like, like, find a staircase to heaven. But like, I'm like, No, here's the goal. How to make this happen. And you guys, it's how we're in this house today. Like people like you can't move on June 1. That's nine days. You're not going to own a house in nine days. Everything takes 30 days to buy a house, like, well, you don't fucking know how I work and I got it.

Michael Unbroken 1:03:39

Dude, yeah, I remember you texting me and being like I got the house was like good. Yeah, like it's like commit first and figured out the rest later. Right? And it's like that is what people are so afraid of that stuckness the fear of just doing it. It's like you wouldn't be here I wouldn't be here without massive commitment to our lives to our mission to our journeys to our community to our craft. Yeah, right you like me ever studious in this podcast game where it's like we pretty much consume podcasts like most people watch TV and listen to music.

Lesley Logan 1:04:12

No, but have you seen her disc 17 podcast?

Michael Unbroken 1:04:15

Did you listen to this eight-hour Andrew (inaudible) podcast right? And so it's like it's like that's that's kind of and being studious. Like I study people like this is the thing skills have utility. Most people do not have skills that actually matter. Right? That actually like you can be really good at video games. But like how does that transition into I'm not saying you can't be successful like at playing video games because you certainly can. But like when you're trying to build something in your life, how do you leverage the skills that you have that you're really good at? Because to me like you're this person who bought the mansion, how to become a good at balancing a checkbook. Like I don't math, so I just hire someone to do it for me. Yeah, but I didn't have the skills to afford to hire someone to do it for me. until I build the skills. Yeah. And I think that's one of the things people miss is they're like, we're so indoctrinated by media and society that it's 30 days, Lesley, nobody does it in a week. It's 30 days, Lesley, nobody does in a week. And you, you could keep hearing that shit. And next thing you know, you're like, yeah, they're right. It's 30 days. Yeah. And it's like, you have to be steadfast in your conviction of being committed to the goal. Yeah, because there are going to be naysayers. They're gonna be people say you can't, there's going to be people who they will always look for the objection. And it's like, you have to not be around those. I'm not around those people. Yeah, no one in my life has negative. Yeah. Because when I tell them my dreams, like sitting here telling you 10 Times New York Times bestselling author, I want to buy a $5 million lake house, I want to do this and do that. If you sat across from me and go, I don't know, man, you're thinking too big, you would be out of my wife immediately. And I'm not fucking around. Because you don't need that energy. Now, because when you look at those people, I can show you the relationships, the friendships and the bank accounts of negative people. Yeah, without even having them beat them.

Lesley Logan 1:06:09

Yeah. So on Sunday, my photographer Sara was in a photoshoot with her. She and I have been working together since 2019. We have started our baby businesses together, like we have been on this journey together. And so I interviewed her again, and she was sharing like some of the scary, bold things that she's putting herself in a room for that, like she would never put on our vision board. One of those is like photographing, like potentially sting and Coldplay, and all these people like, there's these big opportunities coming up. And yesterday, she voice messaged us, because she's on her photoshoot tour where she's doing some stuff, and she has celebration, and she needed to celebrate someone. And so she told us she's like, Oh my god, I landed this contract. And we brought in, I immediately called her immediately called her to celebrate on FaceTime, let her cry all the things and what I never said to her ever in life ever since I've known her as oh my gosh, Monica, no way. Could you ever as a could you ever photograph Coldplay? You're never gonna do that. No way. That is not you do not need those people in your life. And if they're your family, it sucks to like, put them over to OSI. But you have to protect these goals you have and make sure that the people around you who hear them are actually supporters of them. Because it is way too hard. out there already. You do not need extra help to make it harder.

Michael Unbroken 1:07:27

Yeah, and more. So I want people who even will sit with me like that's not even big enough. For even trying. I was

Lesley Logan 1:07:35

You have said that to me before and I'm like, you're right.

Michael Unbroken 1:07:39

Well, I've said it to you because like it's like, it's for a it's forest for the trees. You can't necessarily see it because you're in it and b, we do think too small. Right? As a whole. And so it's like, you could shoot for that goal and get the 75% and be satisfied. But it's like, what if the goal was 10 times bigger, I would rather have 75% of 10x. Right. And so when you when I look at it, it's like I was when I was in India, this I'm only sharing India again, because it was just so fresh. My brothers and I we went and walked around the street fair, just spending time together before I had to hop on the plane on Saturday. And we walk up to this guy's booth. So it's like crafts, fair arts fair, local, this local that. And this guy had the super cool. Like in the clothing brand, like very much up my road of the kind of clothing that I wear predominantly black, right? Yes. Our color is a super cool black sweater. And I asked him how much it is. This thing is hand stitched. It's cotton. So it is screen printed on the back. And I know this world because I used to have a clothing company called click gear back in the day. It's you know, it's been close for a long time. But I was in this world. And I put the sweater on and go oh my god, this is the best sweater I've ever put on. And in my head. I'm like, I'm buying this. It's gonna be 120 bucks all day. Yeah, all day. How much do you think this sweater was probably the best one I've ever put off?

Lesley Logan 1:09:09

Well, part of me wonders if he's undercharging. So I'm gonna say he was played hard to like 60 bucks.

Michael Unbroken 1:09:13

50 bucks.

Lesley Logan 1:09:13

Shut the fuck up.

Michael Unbroken 1:09:14

50 bucks. And I look at him and I go, you need to raise your prices. And me saying that made this I could see visibly how uncomfortable he was. And I looked at him. I go Dude, this is one of the highest quality pieces of clothing I've ever touched. I was prepared to pay you $120 Just now. And you're cut and that's the limiting mindset. Yeah, because people will go no one will ever pay me that. And I go motherfuckers got money. Because let me tell you this, like I'm going to speak at stormy Wellington. I'm interviewing stormy Wellington, who is an MLM expert who went from a stripper at 13 a stripper at 13 to being worth I think she's worth 50 mil right Now, right? From a stripper 13 fucking years old, and I'm going to interview her at her own event. And I look at people like that, and I go, that woman knows her worth. If she can do it, why can't you? And it's fear.

Lesley Logan 1:10:17

Oh, it is. It's also the people around them are like, no one's gonna pay that. No, I can't like it's right there. Yeah. So I love that we're talking about this because we, because a lot of people listen to our Pilates instructors. And like, the thing that pissed me off from the day I got into the industry was people saying, oh, there's no money in Pilates. And so I started teaching Pilates in 2008. It's the recession, it was the world. Everyone knows what 2008 means, right? And all these teachers has heard of discounting their rates. Because of the recession, I'm like, Okay, I guess it makes like, that makes a little bit of sense. But when I was trying to figure out my rates, everyone's like, well, you charge less than her because she's been teaching longer than you might well, she's discounted her rates. I can't like I can't live off of that, like, this is I sell this I live in L.A., there is a like an income level you have to meet to survive Los Angeles with roommates. Right? And so I was like, Fuck, no, I'm gonna charge what she's charging. That's her discounted rate. So I'm gonna charge that. And here's the thing everyone needs to hear, you have to understand that there are people who are looking at you to base their prices. And they're going, Oh, they have more experience than me. So I should be less than them. You need to create room for those people above all else, like, if you can't raise your rates for you, then you do raise your rates for the people who are up and coming to give them an opportunity in whatever industry it is to make a living doing it. Like just be kind and thoughtful about those people. But the other thing is, is that there are people out there who want a problem, salt, you want really awesome black sweaters, because you want to wear black. And that's what you'd like, that's your power colors, what you want, you want to pay for good quality stuff, you don't want to pay for something $50. Like, if you had just read the if you'd only sit online, and you saw the price, and like, oh, the quality is probably bad, like, but you touched it. So you knew the quality was good. Not everyone's going to be able experience, whatever your thing is to actually understand the quality. So you have to understand when you price yourself, if you discount yourself with the thing that I was taught a really, really long time ago was you will be discounted, yeah, people will just stop thinking about you.

Michael Unbroken 1:12:12

And that, and look, and that comes down to your standards, which is what's really difficult in this country, because we don't have any. You look at everything in America right now. There is no standard. And like, I'm not shaming anyone for anything that they do ever, but it's like, look at the way people are operating in this country right now. It's like I blame you, not my problem, government owes me this, so on and so forth. And like that's the standard we're creating in families and communities and businesses. And it's like, if you people always talk about how underpaid women are in this country, and how underpaid minorities are in this country. You know, I know so many women, minorities, who like make you and I combined look like we're homeless? Yeah, because they're out there getting and I'm not saying it's not hard, right. And I am a fucking minority in case you're not watching. And it's like I look at my community, the greatest thing growing up that I would bear witness to have what people defined as success was the first and the 15th. Did I get my government check? And it's like, I see, I watched that every day as a child to be celebrated. To be basked in. People would be like, Oh, my job cut me by four hours, I get more money from the government. I'm like you forever will be in that until you raise your standard. Your standard of living, your standard of relationships, your standard of money. If you're underpaid in your job, it's your fault. And people don't want to hear that. And this is where I get the most pushback because they go, you're lucky you figured it out. It's like no, I've been on welfare. I've been on food stamps. I've got caught. We're in the Tommy Hilfiger jacket. I've been 50 grand in debt. I didn't have two nickels to rub together or as my grandmother used to say, a pot to piss them. And I look at my life now. And you and I have been in dinners where multiple thousands of dollars where we were what we want to where we travel, how we want to cheer. We got the AMEX platinum, it's like, yeah, but I didn't used to and neither did you. But when you raise your standards, even though there's a consequence to it, you will lose friends, you will lose community, you will be shunned by family members, people will talk shit about you, you will likely have to climb up the hill to get to who you want to be, but your life will be so much better.

Lesley Logan 1:14:39

I love that you're saying that and I'm so I'm so hopeful that people rewind that and re listen because it is really, really true. Like we're flying to Scotland, and we have Amex platinum. So we can go into the lounges and when there's a Centurion lounge, you can bring your guest because we spend enough and then when it's not a Centurion lounge it's like a pass priority pass lounge, which we get from having that credit card. We have to pay for the guest and my dad's like, don't pay for me. It's 50 bucks. I said, what we're gonna go lounge it and you're gonna sit out here, and like what spend $49 on food in the airport, get the fuck in line. Get in line with us. We're paying your fair, you're gonna spend 50 bucks in the airport so let's go enjoy the Delta lounge, get a free beer, have some fucking shrimp, like eat a meal that you want to eat. And he obviously grew up where that was. That's insane. And, and I understand that and I don't want to change anybody want to force anyone to change. But I said Dad, it is okay to take the higher. It's okay to take the thing that seems unreal. Like, presumably ridiculous. It seems ridiculous to spend 50 bucks to go in this lounge. To me it's ridiculous to spend $40 on fucking crap Johnny Rockets food in the airport. So but it is it's raising your standards. It's also like, it's not like I could have had this eight years ago, eight years ago, well, 10 years ago, I was homeless. Eight years ago, I was not able to be in the lounge life yet. But I drempt a bit I had on my vision board, I had it on my thing. And I looked for opportunities for when those things could come along. And that is the difference. It's okay for your for your dreams and your reality to be far apart. But it's about seeing those opportunities and not letting people and their stories tell you what you can and can't do with your life. And that's what most people are. They're letting the stories that were ingrained in them, tell them what they can do. That's not real.

Michael Unbroken 1:16:37

Yeah. And look, and also eight years ago, you'd have the skills you sucked. Yeah, call it. Seriously call it what it is. I slept too. I didn't have the skills eight years ago, yeah, five years ago, four years ago, three years ago, last month. And it's like if you can leverage that and recognize skills have utility, that's where growth, you didn't know how to make a funnel, right? You didn't know how to create a lead magnet, you didn't know what conversion meant. You didn't know how to look at ROI. But then you like take the business aspect out of it, you take it on the life, you didn't know how to brush your teeth, right? Didn't know what it meant to clean yourself up every day and go and beat Kempt, you didn't you didn't understand what it was like to raise the value of the person that you're willing to date or be in a relationship and marry. Like it's something that you build and you grow as you go through this. If you're fucking paying attention.

Lesley Logan 1:17:26

Yeah, yep, that's exactly. That's a great, great place to think about that. You have to, it's really hard guys. It is not. When you look at people doing things that you wish you were doing. It's not easy. They don't have it easier. Like maybe maybe some people had a different starting point. Okay, so that makes it different. But you have to stop comparing your starting point with someone else's and understand that there is you're on your own journey. There's no fucking race. And the more you develop the skill set, and the more you actually welcome the challenges and because you're gonna learn something, they're not fucking fun, as long as like yes, challenge, bring it on the last year or so. But on trout challenges, I would never wish more on my enemies. But I am so glad I sit here and gone through them. Because now we're in another challenge. And like, this is nothing like we're going to totally get past this because we have all this evidence that we have.

Michael Unbroken 1:18:14

Yeah. And it's like, so going back to that point, new levels, new devils. But the devil has become easier to fight because you have skills that support and prove that you can. And I think that's what all this journey is the fear that people have about leaving the relationship or quitting the job or like going and traveling the world. It's like the second you do it, the fear is gone. Yeah. And that's the only way that you grow. And I encourage people to do that more, because you're gonna die. And it's like, I don't know about you, but like, my biggest fear is regret. I do not want to wake up and be like, Fuck, this is my last day. And I didn't do any of the things. Yeah. But I come from a society in which that is totally acceptable.

Lesley Logan 1:19:01

Yeah, I listen. Years ago, I listened to a podcast where a woman who like, did a bunch of books, she spent a lot of time with people on their deathbed. And she wrote a book about and she's probably very famous, and some people's probably shouting to me what her name is, I'm sorry, I can't hear you right now. And I don't remember the podcasts it was but I remember hearing that she said, interviewing tons of people on their deathbed, the biggest thing was regret. It was absolutely like the things that they did not do when they had the opportunity. And when I tried to figure out like making choices, I will ask myself, Am I going to regret this tomorrow that I didn't do it? Or am I going to like I was in Brazil and I didn't really have a lot of extra money and I was like fuck, I'm almost out of money and like I leave in three days. And I was going to skip the hang gliding experience because it was expensive. And and then I asked myself, am I going to regret going home and telling everybody about this trip and they go did you go hang gliding and I'm gonna say no, like, can I Is that okay? With me, am I doing it for them, or I'm doing it for me. And I remember when I really want to have this experience. And so I fucking took out the money. And I did the hanging thing. And here we are 11 years later, I still can picture that moment. So I think that that's a really great thing I want I know, that we are, we could keep talking forever, because we enjoy each other's company. But I do want to ask you what you're what you're most excited about coming up for you right now.

Michael Unbroken 1:20:25

First, that book is called The Top Five Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware.

Lesley Logan 1:20:32

Thank you very much.

Michael Unbroken 1:20:33

It's actually in my audible so I should probably listen to that.

Lesley Logan 1:20:37

We'll just do a book club. You listen to that one, you listen to The Big League. When we get back into town at the end of the year, we can talk about it.

Michael Unbroken 1:20:43

Right now. It's like I'm getting ready to, again that thing, like I'm all about the commitment, like just see what happens. I'm getting ready to head to South America for two months. Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen. Oh, I know. I'm gonna do Ayahuasca I know that's gonna happen. You do an eight-day retreat. And that, to me is like really about stepping deeper into this journey. There's, there's still like, even though like I've been on this path for 13 years, there's still some blackness in my soul. There's some dark shit I gotta work through. So we'll see what happens with that. And then it's like, I'm gonna go to Buenos Aires because I've always wanted to I'm gonna go to Lima and Machu Picchu and I'm gonna just like I'm doing. So it came to me in a meditation recently. I always ask myself, I like ideate meditation. I'm not Trying to find Zen, it doesn't work for me trying to solve problems. And it came to me in this meditation, I was like, What's the hardest thing that I could do right now? And the answer was rest. And so I've been like really injecting myself into that. And so this will be the last phase of the rest to go down to South America for a couple months and then this year, so extremely excited about that, because it's necessary.

Lesley Logan 1:21:49

I'm excited for you to do that. I can't I can't wait to hear how it goes.

Michael Unbroken 1:21:52

What about you.

Lesley Logan 1:21:54

Um, I actually along those lines, I'm about to be gone for three weeks, three weeks out of my routine three weeks and only one of those weeks is where I actually have a timeline on leaving a retreat in Cambodia, but whenever I'm there, because I'm 14 hours ahead of like anybody who needs anything from me there is a near so close to the equator, you guys it's there's something interesting about being in that life and in the humidity and, and pretty much everything is organic and plant based. So like it's just coming from the farm that's right there. That really helps me pause and I get my best I get my best ideas and I have intentionally not planned as much of next year as possible. We have like literally planned like one big project and one in the retreat for next year and everything else there's a ton of stuff that we're going to do we know we have to find dates for it, but I I do not want to find those dates until I come back because I would like to see what comes up for me I want to see what comes up and being still and getting massages every day and sleeping in like literally not waking up to an alarm and just allowing my body to rest like you're doing but also see what comes up because I know that there is something bigger and bolder and I just need to actually get out of the whirlwind to actually hear it and it is so important to give this opportunity and and then I and then I can't I fucking can't wait to come back because I love my house and I love my dogs and I I love the life that I've created for myself but I really am excited to just take a pause from it and just see what comes up because I have because of the stress of y'all buying your fucking first house is the hardest thing I'll ever fucking do and I do not wish it I want everyone to have a house by not wish the journey on anyone because it is painful to prove that you are worthy of the thing that you know you are worthy for because you're currently paying for it and so to prove to all these fucking idiots that I could that my husband I could afford this house that took us 18 fucking months 18 months of stress and so I never I just really felt like I couldn't dream again and then after that all went down to the mayor like lives like if you lose like let's say have a long term having a May y'all recovery is a bitch like it took a lot out of me and I really have been just like taking things as slow as possible just to like really not burn myself out because I love what I do. But I have I've let myself go okay and Cambodia we are dreaming again we are we are going to allow ourselves to let visions and ideas and goals and wants in because I cannot wait to see what we do for the next 10 years. I mean like this was a big goal for Brad and I and it took fucking longer than we want it which by SMART goals don't work.

Michael Unbroken 1:24:31

That's exactly right. And there's peace in the pause.

Lesley Logan 1:24:34

Yes, there's peace and my friend Jackie always says there's power in the pause like you actually it's so hard for people to Slow the fuck down but even hummingbirds sleep you guys so like

I'm one of those people and so that's why I'm doing this.

Yeah, oh, you're gonna come back with peace and power. Before we wrap this up, you know for my show we do Be It Action Items. So I do need to know some bold, executable, intrinsic target advice you want to give people.

Michael Unbroken 1:24:59

Yeah. Um, I think it really all comes down to commitment to your goals, your dreams, who it is that you want to be who it is that you want to become. And, and as you go down this path, it's recognizing that you can't be dogmatic even in those commitments. And you have to just walk the path and whatever supposed to be there will be there.

Lesley Logan 1:25:23

I like that. That's a big one. That's pretty bold. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Michael. Thanks for thanks for hanging out with me today.

Michael Unbroken 1:25:30

Of course, it's super fun.

Lesley Logan 1:25:31

Yeah, people can find you follow you work with you.

Michael Unbroken 1:25:34

Yeah. Michael Unbroken. And then all social medias and then of course, the Think Unbroken podcast. Yeah. And where can they find you?

Lesley Logan 1:25:42

Instagram Lesley.Logan. That's where I hang out. And this is the Be It Till You See It podcast so you can find us here. Like we said FYF'S every Friday if you need an inspiration to celebrate a fucking win. And Brad joins us and we'll be talking about you, Michael on Thursday. Get to hear what you have to say about you. Oh, this is so fun. We'll do it again. Enjoy your power in your pause. And until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It.

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day.

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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This episode highlights the beauty of patience in the pursuit of future ‘yeses, showing how progress, not perfection, defines success. Discover stories from Lesley and her listeners, showcasing how they turned potential setbacks into stepping stones. This episode is a testament to the power of perseverance and long-term vision. It’s a motivational journey for anyone looking to turn their aspirations into future achievements.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Embracing every victory in life, no matter its size.
• How to turn a slump into success through creative strategies.
• Overcoming external obstacles with determination and adaptability.
• Personal milestones can align with professional achievements.
• Networking and stepping out of comfort zones can lead to future ‘yeses’.

Episode References/Links:

• Mentions, “DK”- Dana Karen
• Mentions, Joanne Sutton
• Mentions, Claire Sparrow
• New Book Launched: HOPE For Your Pelvic Floor by Claire Sparrow

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Lesley Logan 0:00

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:00

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:47

Hello, Be It Babe. Welcome back. Happy Friday. Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. I get asked like, what is FYF all the time. It is Fuck Yeah Friday. And why is that? Because, my goodness, we do not celebrate our wins enough, you guys. If you listen, every single week, you hear me say this. And so I hope it's just like becoming more and more ingrained in you because we need to hear it all the time, right? But we don't have to wait for things to be complete to celebrate. In my win today, you're gonna hear something that's incomplete and some people would consider a failure. So I'm going to share that as a win today. But first, I share your wins. So if you want to hear your win on the Be It Pod to inspire others, you just have to send it in.

Lesley Logan 1:23

The first one is from DK she is one of our Agency members. And she said, "I'm very proud of myself because I was super slow July, August and September, coupled with some big expenses related to the book that I I was feeling guilty about. I started to think, oh, well, it's a slam. I made some bad choices. And then I was like, Girl, snap out of it. You are a boss. And after big fucking things. Then I thought about Rachael Rogers book and I was like, maybe I can get some money moves. One of the things that she suggests is to offer clients of something they can't resist. So I thought about how people tend to neglect their well-being for the holiday. So I pushed out a big promotion called prioritize your health. And the clients agree to do 10 or 20 sessions in 12 weeks. And this way, so this way, everyone is done with their packages by December." So it is a special package special price that they're done with by January, so that she can have new money in January. And it was a huge hit with existing clients. And she got two referrals as well. Her revenue tripled for October. She'll make a credit card, though. I freaking love this DK you are a boss, a boss babe, you are freaking killing it. And it is so frustrating when the money flow isn't coming in the way the efforts are, but they do come in and I love that you've got create about what is possible. So I'm celebrating you.

Lesley Logan 2:46

Joanne Sutton. She is also an Agency member and also writing a book. So here we go. "I finished editing my book last night I just had to tidy up the resources list. But the actual first edit is officially done. The power was off for nine hours here on Tuesday. And it's just come on now after nine hours of being off today. I'm proud that I was still able to teach all my clients and go live in Agency many using my phone and a power bank to recharge. I had to research what a power bank was and buy one. I wanted to, I wanted time editing my book and it was finished before power outages and I did it so grateful to have all of this done and not let the power outages ruin my week." Fuck yeah. Joanne. So I love this because you ever had that like you have these things you want to do and then like there's traffic or the power goes out like Joanne or there's just obstacles that are like outside of your control and it's so easy for us to go well I guess I can't do it. And then like woe is me it but she didn't she figured out what was possible. Yes. I love it.

Lesley Logan 3:45

I have one more book win from an Agency member, Claire Sparrow. She said, this is a bit of an old win because her book is out and like bestseller you guys, but I have to share this with you because it's really beautiful. "Today my mom told me that my book launch date is the day one year ago that my biggest inspiration my amazing granny GG left this earth, it's Friday the 13th. When I was choosing the date, it felt so visceral that I had to choose it. Others close to me said oh, aren't you superstitious? And I just said it's lucky. And for me today I found out why my book is dedicated to my granny and honors her even more now." So her book is out you guys. She was a guest on the Be It Pod as well. And her book is out so you can hope for your pelvic floor and you can definitely go and get that. So three big books coming out from Agency members and I'm really really excited.

Lesley Logan 4:38

Okay, so my win, here's the deal. So a couple weeks ago, I was in Nashville, working with one of my coaches and just being in a room with a bunch of people who don't do the same thing as me. I always get really good ideas because sometimes like well, I get ideas off other people's ideas and then I can see how I can filter with me, which is why I make a really great coach, I'm just gonna say it. But at any rate, there's this person in there who like would have intimidated me had my coach not said you should meet this woman, I'm going to have her on the pod. But anyways, she would have intimidated me, I probably would have introduced myself, but because she was on my list of people I had to meet, I was like, okay, so first of all, big win, I made sure I introduced myself. Second win, I taught her a Pilates class. A third win, she wanted to pitch me to a really big event happening next March. And within 48 hours, I got her what she needed to pitch me. She did, and she got a no for this year, but maybe for next year. And I'm telling you guys, like, I'm celebrating this because one of the things I had to do to like, kind of compile together something that she could use to pitch me were like, outside my comfort zone. And I could have been like, I'm too busy. I've got too much going on, but like I made it happen. And also, of course, deflating like I thought it was like meant to be I was free those days, like all this stuff. And and it didn't happen, but they want me for possibly 2025. And that's huge, right? That's so huge. So obviously be following up with that to make sure that that's happening. And we can nail that down.

Lesley Logan 4:38

But the thing is, is like just because things don't happen, when you expect them doesn't mean it's a loss. Like the things I had to do, helped me grow and build a new muscle. And I have things ready to pitch myself to other events and conferences. So get ready world, I'm going to be doing a lot of conferences. As the experienced person I'm working on it. That's my thing and putting out into this world. All right. So do you see how like the wins don't have to? Could you imagine if I waited till March of 2025 to tell you the story. We would all lost out. Put yourself in rooms of people that make you intimidated, introduce yourself and then do something different. Like that's the moral of the story. And guess what? Things will work for you. Like they will just will I have no idea what's gonna happen from that. But I believe it's going to be bigger than I could ever have imagined.

Lesley Logan 6:59

All right, your affirmation for today, for this week, is every decision I make is supported by my whole and inarguable experience. Every decision I make is supported by my whole and inarguable experience. So y'all, you cannot make a wrong decision in this world. Everything is happening for you and you have wins to celebrate this week. I want to hear make sure you share it with a friend. Share this podcast with a friend. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 7:27

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 7:58

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 8:03

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 8:07

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 8:14

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 8:19

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

Tune in to this episode as Brad and Lesley explore Andi Kay's inspiring journey from being a victim of bullying to becoming a Bloom founder. Uncover actionable strategies to combat bullying, nurture self-worth, and foster compassion.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How to align your goals with the life you want to live.
• How bullying can affect one’s sense of self-worth.
• The importance of positive self-talk and supportive people to counteract negative influences.
• Writing a letter to your future self as a form of self-reflection and self-support.
• The importance of being proud of oneself and one’s accomplishments.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Winter Pop Up Tour
• Brads webinar
• Elevate round 4
• Cambodia Retreat Early Bird’s Special Waitlist
• Write a letter to your future self
• Bloom Foundation

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Lesley Logan 0:00

Why does being bullied, bring on shame, right? But it does. It's, it's normal. That, that's actually like the response. And, and that said, that's actually wrong, you know, we shouldn't feel shame when we're being bullied. Or you shouldn't feel shame if you're being bullied. And I think that, that the best way to not feel shame is to have someone to talk to about it.

Lesley Logan 0:24

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:22

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the assuaging and empowering convo I have with Andi Kay, in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that one, you should go back and listen to that one now and come back and join us or listen to this one and go back and do that one. You can listen to whatever order you want. If you're on the OPC app, which is free by the way, you can actually see the order of the episodes and you can pick and choose. If you're on your you know, Apple, then it kind of just puts the latest one up. So it's all good. You do you. If you are listening to the pitter-patter of tiny feet behind my ear is a dog. And she no longer likes this spot, she said. So here we go. We'll see how this goes, everyone.

Lesley Logan 2:40

In other news, speaking of dogs, today is November 30, if you're listening in real time, and it's Celebrate Shelter Pets Day. So what this is, what this excites me about is Brad and I have done this before, and I'm currently thinking about doing it again. We have volunteered for different dog shelters to walk dogs or like sit with a shelter dog or you can read a book to them, especially when they're at the vet or whatever. And so today is the day we celebrate Shelter Pets Day. So if you have any time if you're at all lonely, may I suggest you contact all the different dog shelters and charities that you are in your area and see if you can apply to play with the dogs. It's different than being a foster. You don't have to take them home with you. But you can sometimes take them out on a hike you can take them for a car ride, you can sit in the thing and read a book to them. They need your love. So if you're in Las Vegas, by the way, the Nevada SPCA has an application link I'm going to fill it out in the new year. Because that's when I'm home and I can maybe take an hour to procrastinate and go sit with a shelter dog.

Brad Crowell 3:42

I used to do it in L.A. I mean we would go over to a vet and just walk the dog around the block and the dogs love it. They were chill.

Lesley Logan 3:54

They're all, they're all chill. They just want love it's so nice and like if you're having a bad day and you go walk a dog that's like in a shelter you fucking don't have a bad day anymore and nor do they so and since we have three dogs which is why I literally look at every single dog

Brad Crowell 4:10

And one of them well, I guess who's in a rescue not a shelter, but so oh my own was a shelter.

Lesley Logan 4:16

Oh and he was at a kill shelter.

Brad Crowell 4:18

Yeah, he was a shelter. Gaia, I got from my neighbor. August we got from

Lesley Logan 4:23

Well, Gaia, Gaia was at a rescue before your neighbor and then you rescued her from your neighbor. And then I don't you know listeners, what's the difference between a shelter and a rescue? I think they're the same. I think it's just two different words. These dogs will have homes and so so you know anyways go celebrate. Go if you are lonely. Go apply if you you don't have to actually adopt the dog I know not everyone's lifestyle allows them to have one or their apartment might not but go and you know give them some love. I promise you if you're feeling like you don't have love and you give love to a dog. Then you get love back and then there you go. You have love. Anyways. Magic.

Brad Crowell 5:03

That works.

Lesley Logan 5:05

It's at work.

Brad Crowell 5:05

Go pick up a dog, they will love you.

Lesley Logan 5:07

Whatever you need. If you give out into the world you get back. That's how it goes. You want to feel seen make eye contact. Anyways, we have more things talking about. We are about to go on tour, we are so freakin close.

Brad Crowell 5:19

Oh, it's gonna be an epic tour.

Lesley Logan 5:21

So December 8 is when the tour kicks off in Las Vegas. At the time that we're recording this we have a bunch of cities already opened up and a few few more are going to be added really soon.

Brad Crowell 5:31

We're looking at like 20 cities.

Lesley Logan 5:33

Yeah, we're this is gonna be the biggest tour we've ever done. There's workshops and workouts and the workouts are great for everybody. The workshops are actually great for any Pilates lover. So you don't have to be a teacher, the way I teach them is for anyone to enjoy. So you could go to opc.me/tour opc.me/tour and you can see where we're going to be. We're driving 7000 miles. So I'm just saying you could drive 100 to hang out. And there's like prizes and all this good stuff. So you're gonna want to

Brad Crowell 5:59

It's true.

Lesley Logan 5:59

Gonna want to be there. Then it's Brad's webinar in just a few days. And Brad, what's your webinar about? You tell them.

Brad Crowell 5:59

Yeah, it's all about websites. So, you know, how do you make a website that brings you new clients? And, you know, makes your life easier?

Lesley Logan 6:12

Yeah.

Brad Crowell 6:13

And I'm really

Lesley Logan 6:17

Can I shout out something? So Christy Nash, and I'm gonna shout out her win. She just built her website. She's an Agency member. And she just launched a website probably a couple months ago, I want to say, and she launched a website, she uses our scheduling tool that we were partners with, and her brand new car need to go to the shop. And so she had to drive, all the way from Sacramento from where she lives it's just like a good hour and a half drive, drive it in to go to the place to get checked out. And so she went to the mall across the street, just walking around, and she got an email that somebody had purchased a intro package through her website on her scheduling tool, but they are a ballerina looking for to Pilates two times a week. She literally was out doing her life because her website showed this person everything she does and it made it easy for the person to book and she didn't have to do anything. You guys a website is worth every single penny because it is a 24/7 assistant you don't have time for or the money to have. So, boom. There you go.

Brad Crowell 6:17

That's so cool.

Lesley Logan 6:19

I know.

Brad Crowell 6:19

Congratulations.

Lesley Logan 6:22

It just happened, just happened. I know. So excited about

Brad Crowell 7:00

Amazing news.

Lesley Logan 7:18

Yeah, and then so where do they go babe?

Brad Crowell 7:20

Go to prfit.biz/upcoming that's P as in Paul, R-F-I-T or profit without the O prfit.biz prfit.biz/upcoming.

Lesley Logan 7:33

Yeah, so this is really great. Also, by the way you want to do the

Brad Crowell 7:33

I guess it's prfit. Prfit without the O.

Lesley Logan 7:34

I think you're good profit without the O. You guys when we do these webinars, you actually want to sign up for them when they're live because they're the best price fucking ever. And when we when the one they'll replay is over then they go to like 100 140 bucks. So you know

Brad Crowell 7:55

It is true. It's definitely worth it. You will, well, you'll enjoy it. I mean, it's

Lesley Logan 8:01

It's Brad. Don't you enjoy him? He knows a lot about websites.

Brad Crowell 8:04

Yeah. Built a few of those in my my day.

Lesley Logan 8:07

Yeah. He built me some as a way to flirt for me. Flirt with me, or show me how amazing he was.

Brad Crowell 8:14

So I do.

Lesley Logan 8:15

Yeah. Also, we're coming up on eLevate round four, which is my Pilates mentorship.

Brad Crowell 8:21

Hey, baby. You want a website?

Lesley Logan 8:25

Can I get your number?

Brad Crowell 8:27

Can I get your number?

Lesley Logan 8:29

All right too many inside jokes around here. But eLevate round four, which is my Pilates mentorship for teachers starts in the new year. And if we have a couple spots left at the time of recording this and if you are like oh my God, I'm tired of over talking. I'm afraid I'm burning out. I feel like an impostor. I don't know how to do this. Then you want to be in this mentorship. So go to L-E-S-L-E-Y-L-O-G-A-N .co/elevate that is lesleylogan.co/elevate. I do spell Lesley with an E-Y just saying. And then we snuck this one in here because in January we're actually going to be announcing the early bird specials for our next Cambodia retreat. I know you saw the pictures. I know you saw the videos. I know you've all the fucking FOMO so you want to be on the waitlist because that's who gets the best early bird special. And they get first dibs and space is limited on our retreat.

Brad Crowell 9:13

It's limited.

Lesley Logan 9:14

I mean, it's our house so we only have so many spots. So you want to go to lesleylogan.co/retreats. You already know how to spell Lesley, right, logan.co/retreats. Plural, plural. All right before we talk about Andi and her awesomeness, do we have an audience question?

Brad Crowell 9:27

We do. How do you set goals for the new year?

Lesley Logan 9:33

We really don't.

Brad Crowell 9:34

Nope.

Lesley Logan 9:36

We don't. We don't believe in New Year's resolution.

Brad Crowell 9:38

Our goal is to not set goals and we succeed every year.

Lesley Logan 9:43

Every year. But I guess you probably are wanting to know like how we we obviously have some sort of goal that we work towards. We just don't set them on January. I'm being really honest. Like we already have next year planned. So the goals are more intentions like and we kind of set them usually around the summertime, we look at each other going, Okay? What do we like about this year? What do we not like, and there's not a lot we can change about the rest of the year. So what do we want to? So I expressed to Brad that I wasn't gonna schedule things for next year until after we got back from Cambodia. We successfully did that if you listen to FYF, so I talked about that. But then we really are like, okay, well, what, what do we want to keep? And what do we want more of, and what do we want to get rid of, and then we make sure that our schedules and our business decisions reflect those intentions and wants and needs. So I guess you can call that goals. But it's more like, it's more like wants and needs that make us feel like whole awesome people. And because you change all the time, those those intentions can change. And you might also change them halfway through the year. So you know, the end of the year is nice to reflect upon what you want for next year. But I would just say your schedule should reflect the life you want to live. And if it doesn't, you're not going to achieve any goal you have or intention you have or want you have. So that's how we do it.

Brad Crowell 11:07

Yeah, I think I think that you definitely nailed that. We used to write a bunch of things down and we don't do that anymore. But we do

Lesley Logan 11:20

We visualize

Brad Crowell 11:22

Our goals kind of happen throughout the year, you know?

Lesley Logan 11:25

Yeah. And also because you can because you might hear something go oh my God, I want to do that. Why fucking wait, just do it. Just figure out a way to like put in the schedule and do it and like, I know that sounds privileged and like, obviously, Les, you have no kids, you have no idea how hard it is. But you can go if you want to be working out an hour a day for yourself you could start with five minutes. You know, you will I promise you if you're kind to yourself, you'll find an hour over time and as you build up your endurance. So anyways, send your questions in to the Be It Pod. Obviously, we give direct honest and loving answers because there's no bullshit around here.

Brad Crowell 12:38

All right now let's talk about Andi Kay. Andi Kay's personal experience with years of online bullying, spanning Junior High, High School, and then college led her to found Bloom, a supportive community helping girls and women find purpose and value in their identity. The rise of anxiety, depression and teen suicide among teenage girls drove her to share the Bloom curriculum, which she created alongside therapists and psychologists. This curriculum includes self social emotional lessons, which can be passed from girl to girl with the goal of creating a kinder world.

Lesley Logan 13:20

She has these journals guys, there's like you can get them on Amazon, by the way. I have them here at the house, I want to send them to Cambodia, I listed a few people. It was I was telling people I've said at women's event back in April, May. I don't know, someone knows, when I went to Connecticut. And I was telling this woman about these journals. And they're all like in their 30s and 40s going I need this journal, I need this journal. So I just what she's doing to help people who are like young girls who are bullied, understand how to how to let it not be internalized and not get them down. And then also have empathy, which is what the world needs a fuck ton more of is awesome. So I'm really excited that and that we had her on the show and that we know her. As you know from the show, I was introduced to her by one of my clients who was bullied like crazy online. And then I was bullied online. So I wanted OPC's money to, not all of it though, hard donation money to go to this charity for this year. We choose a new charity each year and it just felt on, like it felt needed to give back to younger girls to learn how to do it because I'm like, I'm 40 and I don't know how to fucking deal with it so (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 14:38

(inaudible) It was miserable.

Lesley Logan 14:41

It's miserable. So she said you can choose to give kindness even if you're not receiving it. And I think that's really hard to do. Because we kind of like we live in a world it's like, I'm not going to I'm not going to trust you until you'd like you'd give me something to trust you about, you know what it's like, actually, you kind of have to trust to get the like, you know what happens I'm first the chicken or the egg. But giving kindness even if you're not receiving it is really powerful just goes back to what I said, with the shelter dogs, if you need love, give love and you, they start to give it back. She also uses, she also talked about an exercise you can do where you think about someone you're grateful for. And then you can write a text to them, which we just did this as adults this week. While we're recording this, you know, we're in an event and like they said, okay, your homework is to, like, tell someone how much you truly appreciate them. And I have to say, it's fucking cool. It was so great. I know, it probably benefited you a ton, but I benefited so much from it. I was like, wow, that was so nice. It's so like

Brad Crowell 15:50

I'm glad to hear that.

Lesley Logan 15:53

But no, but like, it's true.

Brad Crowell 15:54

I'm glad that was for you.

Lesley Logan 15:55

It wasn't for me. But afterwards, I realized how how wonderful it was for me. So I'm gonna do it all the time. So she also believes you can find your own purpose through being kind through kindness. So by finding your unique strengths, they lead you towards your purpose in life. And especially when you are when you feel like nobody likes you, or like when someone just continues to attack you. It can feel kind of like, all everything in your life is about that thing, but it's not. And, and she said, words are powerful, but you can use your words for good, too. And I just think it's it's just, it's not easy to do this when you're being bullied. But my goodness, if if you have no takeaways like maybe you've never been bullied your whole life, and you've just like, you like no idea what this is, can I just say that, like, words are powerful, and you can use words for good. So maybe just keep doing that in your life? So I just it was it was really nice to hear those things. I think as adults, we can, you know, we need those reminders as well. What did you like?

Brad Crowell 16:55

I really dug when she was talking about worthiness. It is something that I've been thinking about a lot recently, because of mindset, and worthiness is like goes hand in hand with mindset of who am I to be running a business or, you know, coaching other people or whatever those things are? That you asked yourself? And she said, it's important to address your sense of self self-worth, and understand that what other people say cannot take away your worthiness. You are worthy period, regardless of what they say, it doesn't change the fact that you are worthy, right? And what happens when people are bullying you, is you it's very easy to forget that. It's very easy to see, to like you have blind, reverse blinders on. All you end up seeing is the vitriol of this person or this group of people. And you forget to look at yourself and see that there's way more to you than whatever it is they might be focused on. You know, and most likely they're not even, they're not saying anything that's a valid, you know, nothing valid anyway, so

Lesley Logan 18:29

Well, and also like, I mean, here's the reality, anyone who takes the time to say something shitty hates themselves, so I get it often, but on YouTube, I'll get some assholes, like saying something. And you know, some days I'll just take it down and some days I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like what is wrong, like, what are you talking about? You know? And sometimes I clap back on Instagram, and most the time I delete it, and I block someone I love the block and bless. I'm like, block, bless you. You know, blessed be the fruit. Go ahead. May the Lord open the little Handmaid's Tale towards you. But I think like, it's when it's happening to you it's almost like everything stops and that's the only thing, that's the only thing making sound and you can't hear anything else. And, you know, we have someone in our life who's being bullied. And we're hearing what she's saying. And you're just like, what the fuck is wrong with this kid? Like

Brad Crowell 19:25

The bully.

Lesley Logan 19:26

The bully. Because what she is saying to the person, even even if it's true, because it's based on what she looks like, that is a beautiful thing anyways, so the fact that you don't think it's beautiful, if you turn the mirror around, that means that person thinks they're beautiful. That's really what it is. Typically, that's what they're attacking people on. So I just, I think,

Brad Crowell 19:47

Yeah, I think, you know, looking at, it's just hard to do when you're in the moment.

Lesley Logan 19:53

Oh, I couldn't do it,

Brad Crowell 19:54

It's so hard to sidestep.

Lesley Logan 19:56

I was 39 I couldn't do it. I had adults telling me to like not pay attention to it. I'm like

Brad Crowell 20:00

It's hard to sidestep and look at it from an objective perspective. You know, it becomes so personal. And it's easy to, that creates overwhelm, and you feel stuck, and then you focus on them, instead of focusing on you. And, you know, so she, so Andi was saying that it's crucial to counteract negative influences and perceptions with positive self-talk. But that's actually still really hard to do. You know, so I think that, you know, from there, you can also surround yourself and surround yourself with people who are supportive of you. And also, I think one of the things that is the most important thing is to tell someone else that it's happening. Yeah, it's so important to tell somebody else who can, who can like, see through the bullshit, and tell you what's actually going on. And, you know, because we just get wrapped up in it, especially when you're, even though it doesn't make sense. Like, what online bullying, you might be bullied about something that is the fucking dumbest thing. But somehow we believe it, because suddenly, the online thing makes it really easy for other people to jump on.

Lesley Logan 21:11

Well, I think like, in my case, I, I didn't believe what they're bullying me about. But I was worried that other people would believe what they were bullying me about.

Brad Crowell 21:20

Right, because they don't know the context, and they can't tell that the person who's doing the bullying is taking it out of context. Or making shit up.

Lesley Logan 21:28

Yeah. And like, also, especially if you like, it's hard to avoid the online, especially for those people who work online or like, you're like, or especially

Brad Crowell 21:38

When online is your life.

Lesley Logan 21:39

For young kids, it's how they communicate to them, text and call, they're like, in whatever social profile it is. So all of a sudden that the way you communicate with people is no longer safe. And for me, it was it meant it made it really hard for me to do my job because it wasn't safe for me to open up the apps. Right? So but I want I want to highlight what you just said, I, it took a lot for me to actually finally open up and tell anyone other than you and, you know, warriors and other people, because I had so much shame around it. I had so much shame around it.

Brad Crowell 22:11

Isn't that amazing, though? Like why? Why does that?

Lesley Logan 22:14

I know. Why do I have shame?

Brad Crowell 22:15

Yeah, why does, why does being bullied, bring on shame, right? But it does. It's it's normal, that that's actually like the response. And, and that said, that's actually wrong, you know, we shouldn't feel shame when we're being bullied. Or you shouldn't feel shame if you're being bullied. And I think that that the best way to not feel shame is to have someone to talk to about it.

Lesley Logan 22:43

And to go back to what you loved. To know you have a sense of self-worth and know, before it's going on.

Brad Crowell 22:51

Well, I mean, that's hard. That's hard.

Lesley Logan 22:53

It's hard when you're older, but like, but

Brad Crowell 22:55

I mean, I just remember being in high school and my sense of self-worth actually came from being rebellious. Where I was, I was like, deciding to break the social norms and break the rules. And that was the old that was my backbone.

Lesley Logan 23:11

You were like a total rebel. I am not a rebel at all. I am someone who wants everything to go smooth. I want I don't want to ever like I want to I, I want to stand out for good things, but not stand up for anything that has to be bullying is like just the worst thing could ever happen to me. I'm just gonna be because it's like, I, it's just the way I was raised. But I also

Brad Crowell 23:13

My, mine is self defense. I didn't feel guilt I felt I became sarcastic. You know?

Lesley Logan 23:41

I remember like my, bless my dad, when I was bullied in elementary school and I told him about it. His response was a bullying comment back and I was like, okay, Dad, that doesn't, like that's not who I am. So.

Brad Crowell 23:54

It's, your dad's clapping back at eight?

Lesley Logan 23:57

He did a clap at around 12-year-old so but I think like, the more you can, the more for parents of kids, the more you can instill a sense of of their self-love and then understanding what makes them uniquely special and not in an entitled way. It's very different. But like in a if something happens to them, they can know, even with adults, I asked like what your uniqueness is like, what's your, they have no clue.

Brad Crowell 24:26

They can't answer the question. No, sure.

Lesley Logan 24:28

They can't answer the question. So but like, you know, so I think that that's really important.

Brad Crowell 24:31

Yeah.

Brad Crowell 24:44

All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Andyi Kay? She said, write a letter to your future self. And I thought because I've recently wrote a letter to what is the what is the terminology when you like, humanize something that isn't human? I'm looking it up.

Lesley Logan 25:19

Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo...

Brad Crowell 25:24

Oh, anthropo, anthropomorphism.

Lesley Logan 25:27

What is anthropomorphi-sism?

Lesley Logan 25:28

Anthropomorphism.

Lesley Logan 25:30

-pomorphism.

Brad Crowell 25:32

Anthropomorpha, anthropomorphize.

Lesley Logan 25:37

I think I've added a syllable in there. I did not

Brad Crowell 25:41

It could also be personification. I can't decide now.

Lesley Logan 25:43

I think personification is a better word. Also, I could spell it. I can't spell what you just did.

Brad Crowell 25:47

Anthropromo... anthropomorphism.

Lesley Logan 25:50

I want to see if our transcriber can spell it.

Brad Crowell 25:52

So anthropomorphism is a literary device that attributes human characteristics to non-human entities, like animals or plants. So personification, I don't know what personification is.

Lesley Logan 26:03

Well, people know what that means. Just say you did that.

Brad Crowell 26:05

Yeah. So anyway, I anthropomorphized.

Lesley Logan 26:09

We'll go with it.

Brad Crowell 26:10

An inanimate object and wrote a letter to it.

Lesley Logan 26:14

Well it was powerful fucking shit.

Brad Crowell 26:16

Yeah. And it was, it was like, it made me like, I really felt like the directions of it should have been pretend you're 12 and go back and write a journal entry. And that's really what I felt like I was doing at the age of 41. And writing a letter, an emotional letter, you know, to an inanimate object. But it was really beneficial. It was it was really intriguing, intriguing, self-reflection moment today. You know, and I like this idea of writi,ng a future a letter to your future self, because, you know, I also think that it most likely should be very supportive, it will end up being very supportive. You know, and then I know you shared your story about how it was very timely delivered. The delivery of it was very timely.

Lesley Logan 27:14

It was very timely. It came right after you dumped me for the second time.

Brad Crowell 27:17

Yeah. It's true.

Lesley Logan 27:18

And my, what I wrote to myself, you know, the, like, eight months prior at this, like New Year's Eve thing, consequently, at an event with a girl you used to date, but anyways.

Brad Crowell 27:30

Really? Oh. Okay.

Lesley Logan 27:33

Anyways, I didn't know at the time, I wrote this letter. And when it came and I read it. It's shocking, because I could actually read my own writing. It was all these uplifting things about how amazing I was as a single woman and all the things that I was proud of myself for doing. And you can, I promise you, if you write yourself a future, like a letter right now, for your future self one year from now, 10 years, whatever you want, I bet you you'll write something that you would tell your best friend, it'd be so awesome. So definitely do this, because it's really awesome. And apparently, you can go to futureme.org and they'll like online send it to you. It's great.

Brad Crowell 28:08

This was one of the coolest things. I had no idea this existed and I think it's really cool futureme.org

Lesley Logan 28:14

Do you have to pay for it? Because maybe we just give it as a gift to all of our friends. This is like fucking great.

Brad Crowell 28:19

I don't know. I don't, I have no idea. I doubt it.

Lesley Logan 28:23

Well, anyways.

Brad Crowell 28:24

Doesn't mention pricing anywhere.

Lesley Logan 28:26

Great then it's probably free. What a cool concept. What an amazing thing. Just clever. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 28:31

So I dig that. What about you?

Lesley Logan 28:33

Okay, so she this is this goes back to what we were talking about with worthiness. And so I was like, biting my tongue enough to give one of my Be It Actions. But, write the 10 reasons to love yourself and do it for seven days. So then you have 70 reasons to love yourself. Share the challenge with someone else is what she said. But I challenge you to do this like when you're in a state of now, probably ideally, not being bullied at this moment or not going through something sad because it's much easier to do. And if you're like, I don't even know where to start. Because I know, I know some of you are so fucking hard on yourself that you're like, there's nothing to love about me. I'm just like everyone else. I'm just a tulip. Text 10 friends.

Brad Crowell 29:15

I'm just a taco.

Lesley Logan 29:17

Well, everyone loves a taco. I have a funny story about tacos. (inaudible) listening on our podcast for dating apps, she's like, do not say that you love tacos. There's nothing unique about that. Everyone loves a taco and I was like, I know. Everyone loves a taco. But text like 10 people in your life and just say, hey, it would really, can you, this sounds really weird and I'm a little embarrassed to ask, but it would really help me out if you could just text like a reason why you love me. If you text 10 friends, you're gonna get 10 different and I bet you they'll have more than one thing to say. And then copy and paste those in and then riff off of that. Because you know, especially when you're having a hard, when you're going through something that's really hard, whether it being bullied or you're bullying yourself, it'd be really hard, but then it just starts to flow. So I fucking love it. And I really want to know if you do either of these things.

Brad Crowell 30:06

ChatGPT why do I love myself?

Lesley Logan 30:11

Do not outsource this to ChatGPT. No. no.

Brad Crowell 30:15

Ten reasons.

Lesley Logan 30:16

Ten reasons. Did you put your personality in? I'm a 41-year-old man? Well, fuck it. You guys, no, text your friends and family members that you actually like. Not the family members who bully you or assholes. But like if you can't come up with yourself, like, but this is a really good thing because I promise you, I promise you that you could come up with this if you're if your friend asked you if your friend if you if I if I said Brad, what's 10 things you love about me? He could tell them all right now.

Brad Crowell 30:48

Yeah.

Brad Crowell 30:49

And we're not going to do it on air. I don't want to hear it.

Brad Crowell 30:51

Oh, that was a question?

Lesley Logan 30:52

No. It was rhetorical.

Brad Crowell 30:54

Why do I love Lesley.

Lesley Logan 30:57

If ChatGPT knows why you love me, I'm gonna laugh so hard. But please do this. Because I actually do think it's part of being it till you see it. You know, Brad and I have been working on our mindset this week, and really getting some clarity on some things. And it took everything in me not to like, say it because he kept saying be, do, have, be, do, have, be, do, have and I was like be it till you see it. That is literally it. But, if you, I know, it's why we're gonna have him on the podcast at some point. But you if you are wanting other people to love you, if you're wanting to love you, you have to actually love yourself right now. And then not wait till you love yourself to love yourself. You have to like figure out the reasons that people love you. And so maybe you love yourself because you're really good at cleaning your kitchen. Maybe you're fucking amazing at your gardening. I don't know, you look around your house, I bet your there's some things that you're like so proud of in your house. Those are things that are lovable about you. That's a really great, unique skill you have.

Brad Crowell 31:54

Well, I can't remember where we were talking about this. But you know, the idea of being proud of yourself. We've been told our entire lives that if we

Lesley Logan 32:08

Don't brag.

Brad Crowell 32:09

Yeah, it's, somehow it's bragging. Or we're being arrogant, if we're proud of ourselves, and I actually don't think that that's correct. I think that it's, I think that pride. I know, we heard pride cometh before the fall, all that you know, but I actually think pride, there's a positive side of pride. It allows you to believe in yourself, you know, and it's so funny that we how we've been trained, by the way we were raised, that we should never say anything good about ourselves ever to anyone. What the hell, you know, it just feeds into that cycle.

Lesley Logan 32:49

But then everyone says, oh, you've had an elevator pitch. What, like, it's like don't talk to strangers.

Brad Crowell 32:56

Or like write a bio. (inaudible) That's why writing your bio is the hardest fucking thing ever because

Lesley Logan 32:59

I will cry every time.

Brad Crowell 33:00

Because we're told not to talk about ourselves and not to be you know, and it's, we're supposed to like, list our accomplishments?

Lesley Logan 33:07

Actually, I've gotten much better because I did do it the other day. And I was just like, oh, this is really easy, because I've gotten so much better at listing my accomplishments. But like 10 years ago, eight years ago, actually, been like a couple years someone needed a bio from me, do you remember me crying in the dog park. I'm like, I can't write it. I can't do it. That's not good enough.

Brad Crowell 33:25

I do remember. I became the official bio writer.

Lesley Logan 33:28

Yes. From now and forever. Um, yeah, it's you know, weird to just be honest, like parents have taught you some weird things they taught you not to talk to strangers and then go knock on stranger's doors and go trick or treating. And then like, you know, don't don't let anyone touch you. But go sit on Santa's lap. Don't brag, but make sure you have an elevator pitch. Make sure you stand out in an interview. Holy fuck you guys. Go write a letter. Do you love yourself? Yeah, all the things you love about you. And (inaudible) be proud.

Lesley Logan 33:28

I love this, the list 10 reasons to love yourself. I think that's cool.

Lesley Logan 33:35

Yeah. I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 33:38

And I'm Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:01

Thank you so much for listening to our podcast, you're fucking amazing. I want to know how these tips are gonna work in your life. I want you to talk about it on the Be It Pod. Tag the Bloom Foundation and if you are not someone who likes to do that, then give them some money. If you've been bullied in your life and you don't want anyone to go through that, check their foundation out and see how you can support them. Maybe you can be an ambassador for them. They have young girls who are ambassadors, if you have teenage daughters who have gone through something, they and they can go through these journals, you can get their journals on Amazon. So you don't even have to go through one of their events to get these journals and the girls can go through the journals and my girls I mean, you too, so they're for everybody and they're beautiful and they're really thought provoking. So you're amazing as always, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 34:43

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 34:51

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Lesley Logan 35:19

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Brad Crowell 35:22

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Brad Crowell 35:43

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• Andy's innovative methods as healing tools against bullying.
• Why kindness and visualizing self-worth are crucial.
• Why it's essential to return to familiar healing resources.

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After experiencing cyberbullying herself in 2009, Andi researched bullying during her studies at the University of California Irvine. For over 10 years, Andi has studied bullying and how it affects both children and teenagers. In 2017, Andi founded Bloom Foundation – a 501c3 organization that provides social-emotional learning programs to girls experiencing bullying. Bloom Foundation teaches emotional intelligence and tools on how to navigate bullying before, during, and after it happens. Andi has spoken to over a thousand young girls and leads trainings and workshops to educate and empower others.

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Andi Kay 0:00

Sometimes you feel like you've been buried because of all those negative things that are feeling like they're piling on you. And this is where you really want to establish those things are not you and to take some moments to separate those things from you and what you truly believe about yourself.

Lesley Logan 0:15

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hey, Be It babe, thank you so much for being back with us today, I'm excited for you to hear about our guest today. So you if you've been a longtime listener, then you know that our companies each donate to a different charity. And so Profitable Pilates donates to the Cupcake Girls, which is an organization that is to support sex workers' rights and human trafficking, and OPC, now, this year is supporting the Bloom Foundation, which is anti-bullying, and foundation. And actually what they do is do a lot of work to support children and teenagers who are experiencing bullying. And guess what, even if you're an adult, which you probably are listening to this, you will actually learn a lot because I think that we forget that we probably all experienced some sort of bullying. And in our lifetime, and what's going on today, because bullying can happen. All 24/7 anywhere someone goes and can be done so anonymously, that we may not feel equipped and may not know what to do. And so I really am excited to partner up as a as a donator, to the Bloom Foundation, because, you know, you can't have all the goals in the world. But if somebody is telling you that you're worthless, or worse, you shouldn't be here. It doesn't really matter how many tips I give you. It doesn't it just like it doesn't matter. And I am on a mission, I really do want all my missions, mobilizing Pilates, because I know it makes you a better person. But like you can't even think about doing Pilates, if you are just hearing these voices in your head telling you crap. And so Andi Long, our guest today, is the founder of Bloom and she created this because she is a victim of bullying multiple times over many years in different schools online. And she has created workbooks, and and workshops to support children and teenagers today. And her foundation does that for so many. And for my journal earth who are listening, she's got a journal for you. So we're going to talk about bullying. And really we spend more of our time on how to what to do if you've been bullied, which I think is really important. You can you can you can give to yourself or you can give to a teenager or kiddo in your life. I really do hope that this is an episode you're able to share. And check out the Bloom Foundation and support them however you can maybe by sharing what they're doing, or by buying a box for someone you know who's been bullied. Truly, anti bullying comes when we as leaders step up. And oftentimes those people who would be the most amazing leaders, they're quiet because somebody told them that they weren't, they weren't worthy. And that hurts my soul on so many levels. And so we got some great beat action items for you. We've got some great things that you can do to love yourself to find yourself worth and to grow from what you've gone through. Thank you. And here's Andi Long.

All right, Be It babes. I'm excited because our guest today is somebody that I I actually reached out to a client of mine to find out well who she knew about a certain topic and and then not only did she provide me with somebody who I could talk to on this topic, she provided me with the person who helped her go through a really challenging time. So our guest today is Andi long and our topic is bullying and anti bullying and how we can prevent it and all of these things and it's all an Andi's doing both truly the Lord's work comes to this topics. Andi, will you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at?

Andi Kay 4:37

Yes, thank you for that introduction. And I'm so glad she connected us. It's just been so amazing, to be part of your community and be here. So I'm Andi and I, I experienced some cyberbullying when it just started. Because we as I mentioned it was dial up internet at the time. So back in 2001 I believe and when I was 11 so navigating that I've realized that there's this need for resources that go beyond anti bullying, there's a need for a safe and supportive space where if you are experiencing bullying, you can know you're not alone. And you can know that there are people who care about you, and want to see you bloom and grow through what you go through. So that's where the heart of Bloom Foundation came from. And we started this in 2017. And since then, has just been really here to encourage and empower young woman to grow through what they go through and be leaders as well grow into leaders who can influence change. And you know, it's really fun to kind of help this next generation and see them just really be leaders in their space. It's been amazing.

Lesley Logan 5:43

Yeah, I mean, it's incredible. So, y'all, if her name sounds familiar, if you're an OPC, member, then you saw our community chat, we had Andi come in and really talk about like, her story, and like, what can happen when bullying happens? And, you know, Andi and I are probably similar ages, and I think many of our listeners are we know what a dial-up internet is and you'd think like, it's easy for us to think like, oh, my gosh, bullying was, was hard back when we were kids, but was like, they didn't have access to us when we left school. However, in your case, not not so much. Even with dial up internet, there was these websites that were just built. And you didn't go through at one time, but like, multiple times, over the course of many years of people just really saying awful things to you on the internet, and anonymously, which makes it even more, like makes you paranoid. So you, you, you went through this tragic time, and that's turned into what you created. I guess, like, in all of these years of you going through your healing, and then these stories you see, like, what does bullying like, how does bullying really affect, not just the person, but maybe the people around them as well?

Andi Kay 6:50

Yes, yeah. I think your story, bullying, nowadays, the effect is different than than before. And so the effect now, you're seeing we're seeing a just because it's so accessible, and it can be accessed 24/7 definitely an increase in anxiety, and depression. And then of course, those who are around the person who's being bullied, can also have that sense of hopelessness, not sure what to do. And just this overload sense of why right, like why me, and it can lead to like victimization, which is hard as well. But I do think that there can be an opportunity or a shift to being a little bit more this is happening to me, but I can grow from it. And it doesn't have to define me. But yes, we're the effects of bullying and cyberbullying, especially, because it can feel so pervasive, are really tragic. They can lead to suicides and school shootings, eating disorder is just really heavy, terrible things. So it's very, like severe.

Lesley Logan 8:06

Yeah, it's an unfortunately, it's not like, it's like one person who was bullied one day did something terrible, it's like happening, it's happening more often more frequently. And it's, you know, that pervasiveness of like, it's not just them at school, it's happening to them in their own phones. And they have to use their phones to call them like, they have to use their phones to connect with their friends. So it's not like they can just like avoid that person. And, and also, like, because of social media, like you can block one bully, but that doesn't mean that they don't make a new profile or start again, like it's really can be really difficult. What are some things that you can, if you are someone who's been bullied, or going through some bullying that you can do to support yourself? Or if you know, someone who is that you can help support them?

Andi Kay 8:57

Yes, yeah, that's where a journal comes really in handy. So all of our lessons are compiled in here. And it really takes you through this path and kind of a progression and journey, where you kind of address where you're at today. And then there's tools and prompts here to help you move forward too with more confidence in yourself. And so I'd be happy to share a little bit more about that. But.

Lesley Logan 9:21

Yeah, let's do it. So you guys, if you're not watching on YouTube, Andi's holding up a beautiful journal, How to Bloom, and it is something that the Bloom Foundation has created. And I love this because you are correct, you do take people on a journey, and I think that's what healing is anyways, it can't just be done in one session one hour. So yeah, let's go through them.

Andi Kay 9:42

Yeah, yeah. It's like building that muscle right and getting stronger as you do. Yeah. With other things. So we start out with my story, and I shared it here and where I experienced those things, heard terrible things about me, and then we encourage you to write your story, where you're at now. So that's one of the first things that you do here is writing your own story. And that's just a way to be mindful and reflect on where you're at today. And how do you feel? What do you what is your current chapter? So that's the first part. And I don't know, are you a big journaler? Or do you enjoy journaling?

Lesley Logan 10:23

I can't read my own writing but I, but I do, I do like to write and I, there's something about writing that for me, I can remember it better than typing it into a note, I'm just not gonna remember that I have to do it. But if I write it down, like I can, I can also not need to reread it. But there's, it's like, it really is like a mind to body to paper.

Andi Kay 10:46

Yeah, I totally agree. Yes. And it's a release almost. For me, journaling really helps me. So back in like those high school years, you know. So yeah, I just wanted to note that because right, I think there's something about writing your own story, you could also write a letter to yourself. And that just is a very therapeutic experience, where you're, you're connecting with yourself, like through written word, which I think is very important. I just wanted to add that as an aside, but the first one is being buried. So this one is where we address your belief system, because, and going back to that, quote, they tried to bury us, but they didn't know that we're seeds. Sometimes you feel like you've been buried, because of all those negative things that are feeling like they're piling on you. And this is where you really want to establish those things are not you and to take some moments to separate those things from you, and what you truly believe about yourself. So you kind of do a T-chart. So you're writing like those negative things on one side, getting it all out on paper, because again, like you were saying, There's something about it, right, just writing it down on paper, helps you get out of your head, and just more grounded. So you want to write that on one side on the left side. And then for each one, you're going to address, you know those and put an empowering truth next to it. I just think this one's so important. And that's why it goes first. Even though it's kind of intense, and like, you know, it might be fresh, but I think it's so important to just do this. That way, you're kind of clearing it out, and you're able to see it again on paper and not just be in your head. So.

Lesley Logan 12:21

Yeah, I think that that's so key, even if you're like talking about it out loud, if you don't like just sit down and like put it I teach her to so if y'all won't remember those are but I feel like all of our listeners do. They're all most of them are before the internet, you know, it's just like drawing a line. And then you put the negative stuff on one side, and you list it out and you can really like it's it's cathartic. It's very releasing, it just gets it out there. And so what do you do on the other side?

Andi Kay 12:50

Oh, yes. So that's where you write like a neutral, something neutral, that speaks true to you. And so here's kind of an example too, is if you're, if someone's saying you're ugly, you put that on the other side. But then when you're writing your neutral, empowering truth, you write something that feels good to you. So it does not have to be the opposite. Like, it doesn't have to be I'm beautiful if you're not feeling that it can be, you know, when I smile, I feel like I have a really good smile, or I like to help others in it. That's a great quality of mine. And I value that, you know, writing down something that's really true to you in the moment. But that can like just be a truth that you can hold on to. So. yeah,

Lesley Logan 13:27

Yeah, I also I liked it isn't gonna be the opposite, because our brains don't like dissonance. And so it's not going to work if you write something down that you don't like about yourself.

Andi Kay 13:37

Right? Right. You don't have to go to the opposite extreme, either. But yeah, you just want to get to a more neutral space. So you're not living on the other end of the spectrum, either. But yes, I think belief is huge. We watched that video yesterday too, where, you know, people are saying when you hear those things, they're right here. So our goal, so I am saying it's right, like by your ear. Yeah, our goal is to get that is just to have that separation. So I think this is one thing I would recommend doing. Yeah. And then oh, yeah, are you going to say something?

Lesley Logan 14:11

No, go ahead. What's next? What should we do after we do the T chart?

Andi Kay 14:14

Okay, so after the T-chart you write your bucket list or actually, no, you do a timeline. So if we're picturing a timeline, seven years ago, where were you and then seven years from now, where will you be and this helps put you again, to some distance and then perspective of, you've overcome some really hard things in the past seven years ago, and seven years from now you'll be in a different place and probably honestly, kind of working through some hard things again, but that's okay. Because you're currently it just helps you see beyond your current circumstances, and also gives you gives you some like, a boost from your past as well saying, you know, I've come through hard stuff then. And the reason why I love seven years is because every cell of your body changes, but also it's not like 10 years where you're like, well, obviously, I'm going to be in such a different place. Or like, that's too far for me to think about.

Right. Like a 12-year-old thinking about 10 years from now. That's after college.

Yeah. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 15:16

It's so hard.

Andi Kay 15:17

It's so hard. But then 19, right. 12 and 19. You're like, Okay, I mean, still a significant jump, but it's also like, tangible enough to be like, okay, I'll be in my teens, you know, but exactly. And then, but twelve minus seven is five. And that's a huge, but you know, just to see like, okay, I'll be in a better place. So, I love that one and timelines can be helpful, too.

Lesley Logan 15:42

Yeah, I think I do love that, that comes in into play. And also, I think, for any parent, it's like, you know, it's helpful. It's like, so helpful for them to just get some perspective on their life. Because, you know, part of it's like, oh, my gosh, you're young, like, some of this stuff is just like, life. Life is just so hard. But also like, teaching them how they can, this is a great tool for them to have in their whole life, because there's other things that happen besides bullying, that you can, you know, this perspective, timeline can be helpful for.

Andi Kay 16:10

Yeah, I use it all the time, when I'm stressed, you know, as a business owner too, you're like, five years from now, seven years from now, where, you know, you're goal planning to, and you're knowing that the current problem is going to be different, you know, in a matter of time. So, it really helps you I think, now that I'm saying these out loud, too, I feel like these exercises just really help you get out of your head, you know, and that's the thing with bullying, it can really get into your head and these exercises help you. Yeah, just give them a clear perspective.

Yeah, so the next one is habits. And it's called budding in writing, but it's all on habits. And so this is taking into account what are those things you love to do and making sure you're doing them. When I experienced bullying, I was watching a lot of Twilight at the time, I was eating a lot of ice cream, staying in bed, like not going outside doing the things that I love to do. And that wasn't great for my mental health. And so it's, it's kind of funny, I mean, I think you just need that reminder, like, do those things that are good for you, and that you love to do when you were little or that you know, make help you make you feel good, right? I have a great example yesterday of Pilates. And, you know, I think what I love about that, too, is the community. So I think when you're doing a lot of these activities, you can also find a really great community that ends up being your good friends, right? And like, even if you're experiencing some bullying at school, like what if you joined, like a book club or tennis club? Or you know, and then you found friends there. I've heard some great stories of like, video games too, even like, finding video game meetups or something, you know, if you're, and that that ended up being a really supportive space. (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 18:03

I agree, I think have a because as you mentioned, like you were going through bullying and all the decisions we're making, like, of course, it's okay to watch Twilight, of course, it's okay to eat ice cream. But like, if you're doing those things as to avoid, cope, and like kind of like they start, they start to become the way that you're living. It's an avoidance thing. And then you're not even living your life. And so it becomes even harder to do the things. So it's like, creating habits around how you want to be and how you want to feel is going to help you feel like you're in control and not let that the bullying be in control.

Andi Kay 18:37

Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Focusing on that. So this is kind of yes, a shift of focus. And almost, yeah, navigating. Yeah, you said it well (inaudible). That was great.

Lesley Logan 18:53

What happens after we do that?

Andi Kay 18:55

Perfect. So after that, you're kind of identifying your purpose, and how you can choose kindness, even if you're not receiving kindness, so you can choose to give kindness, even if you're not receiving it. And I think there's so many quick ways to activate this. So you don't want to overcomplicate it too, here. And there can be very quick ways to make someone else feel better, which I think in turn will make you feel better immediately. I think one fun thing even to do like right away is to just think about someone you're grateful for, and then write a text to them. I feel like so we've done this actually in in-person workshops. And we'll take a moment to just pause and get out your phone write a text to someone that you're grateful for. A lot of them will choose like their moms or you know some and their friend and they feel awkward doing it but then at the they get responses pretty quickly and they're like that made my whole day I'm crying. Yeah, but sometimes we'll cry and I'm like, it's so sweet, you know, but I think sometimes we can forget at how we can be such vessels for kindness easily. But it changes the, changes your mood immediately. So it's not only for the receiver of that kindness, but also for you. Yeah, I think this is a fun one. It's like how do you activate that kindness? And then I think you do, you can eventually find your purpose through that too, by finding like how your unique strengths lead to maybe, yeah, your your purpose in life. So.

Lesley Logan 20:28

Yeah, I love that one so much. Because I, I think it can really teach. I mean, my goodness as an adult, if you're being bullied, like, I hope all of these things are helpful, but like, especially for your kiddos for the teenagers in your life, like learning how to not just, like sit with the bully's voice in your head the whole time and actually going like, well, here's what I can do right now I can actually I actually have more power because I can make someone feel really good. Like, and I can do a quick text doesn't have to be of anything I have to buy or do or anything like that. Yeah, I think that's really special.

Andi Kay 21:00

Yeah, words, words are powerful. And I it's, you know, when bullying happens, it's usually it can be by words, verbal bullying, but you can use words for good, too. And it's, it's yeah, I like how you put that too. But yeah, super easy, super powerful things to do. There's a quote, I really liked by Anne Frank, too. It's no like, how wonderful it is that no one needs to wait a single moment before starting to improve the world. And it's just like, Yeah, you don't have to wait a single moment. And you can start where you're at and start small. Yeah, I think that's a really powerful quote, too.

Okay, so next is being watered. And this is about self-worth. Because, you know, we, it's so important to address your, your sense of self-worth, I think, even as adults, you know, I'm learning that we could use boosts in self-worth all the time. But the reality is, and the truth is that just because we're human beings, we are worthy of love and belonging. Brene Brown talks about this really well. And she's just, I think, she's so great at reminding us of our self-worth too. But this section, we really want to reinforce that you're worthy, just as you are. That note, like what other people say, cannot take away your worthiness. And so how we build that back up is writing down 10 reasons to love yourself. And sometimes we time it kind of make it fun. Like, can you list 10 reasons in two minutes? But yeah, I remember talking about that with you yesterday. And you liked that too. (inaudble)

Lesley Logan 22:40

I love this. I was thinking about it all day long. And I was like, Oh my gosh, y'all listen to this, like, just like, think about, like, say out loud. You know, just tell yourself something that you love about yourself. Because I again, I think that that's like, what a great place to really deepen and create self worth and have awareness around that. I think what a cool tool.

Andi Kay 23:03

Yes, yeah. And again, easy and accessible. But I think that's great. Yeah, and maybe even do a challenge, like, do this daily for one week, you know, and then you'll have 70 reasons, which is beautiful. I think that's so cool.

Lesley Logan 23:18

That's so cool. Oh, my God, I love this challenge. I think it's the next Be It challenge. If we do one, it's like you must post every single day on Instagram, what you love about yourself.

Andi Kay 23:29

Exactly. Let's make it a trend. Oh, my goodness. That'd be great. Yeah, because it's so good. And, and then you'll have to get creative about it too. Right? I think that can be super powerful. But yeah, get creative of like, what are those things? And I think, again, this breaks up that negative self-talk that comes from absorbing what other people have said, and I think we just need to break that up as much as we can. We need to put distance as much as we can. And so I love this activity, too. And it's actually super popular in our workshops, too, because it's, I think it can be challenging to start. I think that sometimes we're so scared to do this too, because we're like, we don't want to be perceived as overconfident or you know, things like that.

Lesley Logan 24:15

Oh yeah, I mean, how many of us listening hello, raise your hand and only one if you're driving? keep one hand on the wheel. But like, Did someone tell you don't brag. Make sure you're humble. You know, like, oh, don't say things like that. But people are gonna think that you're self-centered, like, you know, they all do and so all we internalize was like, don't ever say anything good about yourself ever.

Andi Kay 24:36

I know, and it's like, Yes, I think I've come to realize too, it's like if you're not hurting others by doing that, then then do it like, brag about yourself, you know? (Inaudible) harmful, you know what I think but I know because we've heard that so many times. We just get so I won't do that. But yeah, I'm working through that. too, it's like, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 25:04

Yeah, to love yourself. It's like, one of the greatest things you could do.

Andi Kay 25:08

Hmm, yeah. And verbal verbalize that? Say it, it's all good. We need more examples. I think of that, too. And it's, it gives yourself permission too like, yeah, so. Cool, I just love that section. And I know you do too. But um, the next one is growing strong. So this one is about being curious and compassionate, and cultivating empathy. So that you can have a better understanding of what other people are going through to make them be in that place, too. So it's, it's kind of like, if you visualize flowers growing, it's like, what's underneath, like, the roots, like, what can you not see, but kind of is affecting the way that this flower, this plant is growing, or like what they're doing. So and the purpose here is to, is to also shift your focus from yourself and see, you know, what might be going on with them? And how you can even be a light to others. And to know that, yeah, there's a lot of things that we just can't see, stories that we don't know, we start out with writing your story, but sometimes we don't even know the story of like, the person who is being a bully, right? Or, yeah, so (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 26:33

I think it's like empathy is like the thing that like we're missing. That's why like, there's like this epidemic of narcissism. Like, because we just were not able to, we're not, I don't think a lot of people are learning empathy, as they're growing up. And like, what an incredible way to use a horrible time and in someone's life, when they're being bullied. To go through the whole process, you do the whole process to get to this part, but then getting to this part and going, You know what, like, they're that person is hurting, and I like I don't have to bully them back are get mad back, I don't actually have to let that be part of my story. And I can still exercise some form of forgiveness towards that person. So I can move on in my life and what, and it's really like empowering. I feel like for these young women who are going through learning this, like, because it's these are steps, they can rinse and repeat. If if anything ever happens to them again?

Andi Kay 27:30

Yes, absolutely. But yeah, so well said again, and I think it's you kind of release that. Release it, you know, and you let go and you move forward a lot. So I know some students are going into college now. So we've, they've gone through a program years ago, and now they're going to college. And like, it's just so cool. I'm so excited for them to take these principles and apply it there. I mean, hopefully, right. It doesn't happen to them, like it did for me in so many different schools for some reason. But yeah, I think it's so cool that they've like gone through the process. And then now they if they ever do encounter something like this in college, they can know how to deal with it. But also they've let go of the hurt and like for, you know, in some capacity have forgiven and moved forward, like into their college years. And I just, it's so fun to think about. Do you know what I mean?

Lesley Logan 28:27

I do. any like, I'm just thinking about like your journey, like, obviously, like, unfortunately, kept happening. And I was just interviewing somebody on betrayal. And I asked her like, Well, if you've gone through betrayal, and you've healed if you did all the steps we talked about to heal from betrayal, like, inevitably, you're probably gonna be betrayed again, just people, it just happens. And it doesn't mean that they're like, you're a magnet for betrayal. But like, yeah, do you heal from it differently? And I'm wondering for you, like, obviously, these girls that you your foundation works with, like, they're still going to school, they're still in life, like, do once they've gone to this journal, do they find that like, if they are bullied, it is easier to tell, like to move past from or like, what have you do have any of this, have a stories like that?

Andi Kay 29:16

Yeah, I think I have heard stories of like going through another transition that's really difficult and going back to the journal, like maybe six months later, and that it helped them and now they know they can go to this, because it is a rinse and repeat kind of situation. But no, that's a good point. I've I've heard also, yeah, I mean, you can't expect to not encounter it again, necessarily. And sometimes it can. I've I'm thinking back to this one youth organization. So it's actually was the first student that I mentored and like went through the eight-week program with and it did continue to happen after like our eight weeks. You know, we're done. But she did know like how to cope better, which was like just sucks. I mean, I'm so upset that it kept happening and you know that in school like, sometimes you can't you leave it to the administrators a little bit, right, in terms of like how much you can do, but I feel good and I feel yeah, good that she had tools to use on her own. ,

Lesley Logan 30:29

Yeah, I agree like it would be so amazing like, okay, they've been bullied, it stops, they've done the journal like it's over. But the truth is, like, for a lot of people, the bully still might be around. And so they are going through this and having to, to keep going through life knowing that this person is there, but that person is not the truth. And that person is not in control. Because they they have self-worth.

Andi Kay 30:52

Yes, yes. Yeah. And I have had adults use our journal too. And like, you know, they're they go through their own environments with this, right, like, whether that's workplace for, yeah, so I, yes, it's transferable.

Lesley Logan 31:10

I mean, like, I feel like, it's so crazy. I think many workplaces have so many bullies. Like, I just like, when you if you just watch the news, like our own, if you're in the States, our own government has bullies in it. Like, it's just like, that's a bully, you know, and as a Pilates instructor, and even in the Pilates industry, like one of my teacher trainers, I was like, this is a fucking bully. This is what this is. And unfortunately, what ends up happening is like, these institutions get bad raps for these bad people. But really, like, it's like, we got to call it what it is that person's a bully. And as people who are being bullied, we need to do our own healing. So that that bully doesn't have power because of the bullying is like, yeah, the bully gets their power from bullying, and affecting you and silencing you and making you cry or whatever. And if you don't, if you can't, if you're not affected by the bullying, I feel like maybe I'm correct. Maybe I'm incorrect. Maybe I'm like living in a false world. When bullies don't have the same effect that they had on someone? Do they leave them to believe someone else? Or do they become less of a bully? Like, how do we prevent them?

Andi Kay 32:21

Yeah, no, I know. And it's case by case, right? It's like the direction of it differs. But I think what you brought up is good. Because it's like healing, right? Focusing on your own healing will be such a counter, I think, right? Like, where you're not, yes, so upset or triggered by a bully, but instead you're focusing on your healing. And your healing journey, you become stronger, you become more emotionally strong, and you become a leader. There are even some like definitions of bullying out there, where it really does perceive the bully as leader. And in even if you look back at like history, of where like of bullying, they do demonstrate, like this person has more power or more wealth or something like clearly defines that, which I don't sometimes agree with. But I was going to say that I think when you're focusing on your own growth then that's, that's like, I think, winning, you know?

Lesley Logan 33:25

Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's, it can be so hard, you know, a lot of our listeners are parents, and you know, maybe their, their, this would be their worst nightmare for their child to be bullied or they're going through it. Can they? Can anybody get this journal? Can they work with your foundation? What are what are some steps that parents can take if their kids are going through this?

Andi Kay 33:52

Yes, absolutely. And so yes, you can get the journal on Amazon. And I'm so excited about that. And then you can reach us at hellobloom.org. There's a contact us form at the bottom and we'd love to get in touch. And teens can sign up for an Ambassador Program, which is nationwide too, so doesn't matter where you live in the States. And follow us on Instagram, Bloom Foundation, we post pretty much daily inspiration there to help you stay motivated, kind of reminding you of these principles too, and we yeah, we would love to stay in touch with you there. That'd be amazing.

Lesley Logan 34:34

Yeah. How can how can people be involved with Bloom? If they're, like passionate about what you're doing? Like maybe they're, they're not someone who is being bullied. They're not someone who is a parent of that. Like if there's someone who's like, oh my gosh, I just love what you're doing and I want to help. Like, I want to help people who've been bullied to prevent bullying. Like, is that something that you guys need support with?

Andi Kay 34:56

I love that. Yeah. So I would say if you're a teen, definitely sign up for the Teen Ambassador Program. But we also have a Bloom Box on our website. So order the box that comes with a lot of goodies too. And we'll be adding a piece of like how to start your own Bloom Club or a chapter. So yeah, order a box and kind of represent Bloom, share the good news. We'll also have some campaigns going on in May, and then October, too. October is National Bullying Prevention Month. And so we really want more voices around that time to highlight, again, bullying prevention, but also this need for bullying recovering support services, too. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 35:36

Yeah. One last question. Is there is there anything we can do that you've seen work to get administration, schools, law, local laws, laws in general to, to make to like make to understand that bullying is like, one of the worst things that was happening in our mental health that we are seeing in schools that is preventable? Like, is there? Do we have a congress person we should be calling? Is there a bill that we should be like, sign up for like, obviously, October, everyone gets your like, anti-bullying flag out? But like, what, what what steps can we take to kind of get people to understand that this is like, a really big deal. It's why. I mean, we've all heard the studies are out that like, young girls, teenage girls, mental health is the lowest it's ever been since they started, like tracking it.

Andi Kay 36:24

I love your passion. I'm like, Yes. Where is it? Google-ing already. You're just like, yeah, I mean, yes. I so that's a piece of what we want to do, too. We want to change legislation because in 1989 is when anti-bullying legislation and policies were implemented.

Lesley Logan 36:45

That's the last time?

Andi Kay 36:46

Yes. For across the board, I know. I know.

Lesley Logan 36:52

That's so far, everything, all the tools they use.

Andi Kay 36:57

Yeah. And anti-bullying. Yes. And we saw, you know, what the, it's still almost looks the same, too. But, yes, you know, what a great question. Let me get back to you, though.

Lesley Logan 37:11

I get back to us. We'll put that in the show notes. Absolutely. We'll put it in the show notes. Well, we'll bring it up on a future recap. Yes, absolutely. All right, we're going to take a brief break, and get those Be It Action Items from you.

All right, bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. You've given us some great tips with what your steps are for the journal but what else have you got for us?

Andi Kay 37:33

Okay, so I think number one writing a letter to yourself. And you can use dearfutureme.org to have it automatically sent to you. And you can choose when you want that sent in, you know, I don't know if you did this in high school, but I just talked to a few students and they were graduating going to college and they started one in ninth grade. And they got one you know, as they're about to graduate. So I think we can take that. So write a future letter to yourself, write a letter where you're at now where you want to be what you hope to accomplish. And I think that ties in all those like the perspective taking too, that we talked about, so.

Lesley Logan 38:13

Oh, I love that. I love that there's a website that will do it. Because I did, my, I wrote a letter to myself, um, I was in a New Year's Eve yoga class thing. And I like wrote something to myself about, like, you know, just a reminder of how I wanted that year to go and how I wanted to feel. And it came. This is so funny. Actually, when Brad listens to this he'll know, it came to me during the week that we were not speaking. It was like, it was like, after he dumped me for the second time before we've been dating. It never makes him sound like a good guy. He's an amazing person. But it came and it was just like, just remember that you really wanted this year to be about these things. And like, you wanted to feel this way. And so honor those things. It was like such like, I was like, oh, that's how I want this year to go. This is gonna go great. So anyways, but I that person just randomly sent it to me. That means you have to go to the post office, you could have lost it. So I love that there's a website that could send it. That's amazing.

Andi Kay 39:13

Right? I know it is. It's really cool. But that's a funny story. I love it. That's great. I mean, I love that it came to you in the mail too. I think that's special. So yeah, and I wish someone give them a letter say like in this timeframe send it to me, because, that, I like that too. Yeah. Old fashioned mail's fun, too.

Lesley Logan 39:33

Yeah, I love it. I love it.

Andi Kay 39:36

Yeah, and I think that really connects you to your self. And then I do want to reiterate because we love it so much the 10 reasons to love yourself too, just take the time to do that. I think we should do that, that challenge, the Be It challenge, for seven days come up with 70 reasons to love yourself. And don't be afraid to share it too, maybe share it with someone else today and then encourage them to do it too.

Lesley Logan 39:59

I love that I hope you all do. I hope, I hope you guys have like you and your buddies that (inaudible) coffee and like before you can even talk about how your day was, just write down 10 things you love about yourself that could really change the whole coffee.

Andi, thank you for the work that you do. I hate that you went through the journey that you went through, but I love that they're, the future teenagers of this world have have something they can do to support them during this time. And you all, you heard it, you can get the workbook, the journal on Amazon, we'll make sure those links are in the show notes. You can also go to the Bloom Foundation's website to check things out. Being it till you see it is not an easy thing to do. But it's especially hard if you are being attacked, for being yourself and from people saying things that rarely are true. So I really just I'm so excited that we've met I'm so grateful for the work that you do. I cannot wait to see how how Bloom grows. And everyone please share this episode with a friend. Share it with someone you know who might be going through this so that they know there's people out there that can support them. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

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Brad Crowell 41:38

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 41:44

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 41:47

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 41:54

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 42:00

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hello, Be It babe. Welcome to your short and sweet inspiration session that we all need. We all need reminders when you are recovering perfectionist, overachiever, hello, my type A person I see you. And we if you're new to the show, we do an interview on Tuesdays we do a recap on Thursdays we answer your question and Brad and I share what we loved about the interview I did. And then on Fridays, less than 10 minutes, ideally, it's all about winning because there are actually a lot of wins in your day. And so I love sharing your wins, you can send it to Be It Pod so you can hear what other people are doing. And also if you hear your win, you're like, oh my God, I did that, you get to like re-celebrate again. And also one of mine because none of us are on pedestals. We're all working our way. We're all human beings in this world. So I'm going to share the wins from you guys. I have a couple of those and one of mine. 

Lesley Logan 1:39  

So the first one is from Linnea. She's an Agency member. So she's been kicking some ass. She wrote, "Transition to new booking software is complete and running smoothly." Whoa, that's a huge win. That's a huge ordeal. I am insanely grateful for my local superfan client, she's been going to be she's going to be my ongoing client model for filming videos for social media and my website and such and she's super excited helping my business grow. I'd love that. She has a couple more wins. "A great week of self-practice Tuefel workouts where I totally kicked my own butt plus a number of shorties. Onward to new clients new booking system is awesome for this." And so yeah, way to go Linnea. I mean, like this is really some great wins for your business. I love when you have (inaudible) a client who just like wants the part of the growth of it, and has a lot of fun. And then also that you took care of you. And you're like creating time by having this booking system. So way to go. 

Lesley Logan 2:39  

Christine Bowen from Ireland. Her win is actually following lots of great input from some of the people from Agency. So Christine is an Agency member. And she got some insight and advice from me, from Bianca, from Linnea, and from Heidi and here's what she did, "I switched up my intro offer to a single session instead of three sessions and got my website all updated this week, I include the option for a quick phone call before their session to help them get the most out of their intro session. Someone completely new to me signed up yesterday after finding me on Google. I just called them and had a great chat. And I'm excited to see them on Monday, I planned a couple of questions, ask them on the call treatment like a discovery call. And I was able to get into how their pain is impacting them, anything that's stopping them from doing what they wish they could do to really understand their (inaudible). Now I can just jump straight into their session with them. And I've already planted the seed that their journey will take some time and consistency. So I'm confident to recommend a package for a weekly session, which is what is going to help them achieve what they want." Way to go, Christine. You guys, it's gonna be so scary to change a system or the way you do something in your business. It's like, oh, my God, is this going to work. And when you make the bold move, the universe matches you and like, boom, she made the change and then instantly got someone worked her new system. And now she has the confidence to take it to the next level. It's so, so important that the systems that you create work for you, and if they're not working for you, let's change them and celebrate that right? So way to go, Christine. 

Lesley Logan 4:08  

All right, so my win last month, I was telling you guys like I hadn't planned 2024 that much. And today, I still haven't. And I am so excited about that but the win is I'm I got a lot of clarity around what I wanted next year to look like. And instead of like, what am I gonna do right now? I kind of was like, okay, now that I know what I want, what is the first next step and that's the only step I'm going to take. And I waited until I got home and then I sent to my assistant. Okay, here's what I need you to tell me about in the calendar. And then I am letting it be quiet impatient, like getting the information like what's the next next step? Right? I don't need to like, solve this entire project all at once and I think sometimes we tend to do that and if I were to do that, I would be distracted from all the other things that I'm working on right now. And instead, it's like, no, I'm going to be really patient. And I'm celebrating the patience that I'm having on this because a lot of times I'm like, I need certainty, which as we know from previous episodes, that just being perfectionist in disguise.

Lesley Logan 5:12  

I don't need certainty. I actually know with confidence that next year is going to be amazing. It's going to include all the things I want, there are gonna be things that I'm removing, because I don't want them that doesn't mean things that I don't want won't happen. But I'm curating the year that I want. And that means I can't rush it, I have to allow it to evolve and organically make these changes. And so I'm celebrating this as a win because it can be really easy to overschedule yourself, y'all. And I am so freaking proud that as of right now, we still have not overscheduled 2024. And if we don't do it by the end of the year, it won't happen so I'm so I'm so I'm so excited celebrating the I'm almost at the finish line and not waiting until I get there. You guys celebrate when you're on the path, you got to celebrate when you're on the path. It does not. The results are great, but you can't just celebrate only the results that you want. It's important. 

Lesley Logan 6:02  

Okay, so the affirmation to percolate on today. I am doing the work that works for me. I am doing the work that works for me, doing the work that works for me. So maybe you need to overplan next year. Maybe overplan's a strong word, but maybe you need to plan next year. And you have to do it right now. Because you need to make sure that you have enough things happening to have the income goals you want to have. Well then do it you don't have to do it like me, because you're going to do the work that works for you. 

Lesley Logan 6:29  

Thank you so much for listening to the Be It Till You See It podcast, it means the world to me, You have no idea how much you're part of this. We're almost at 300 episodes, which is kind of insane. So thank you. Thank you for sharing. Make sure you send your wins and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:42  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 

Lesley Logan 7:10  

Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell 7:13  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:18  

It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell 7:22  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music, and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:29  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velazquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell 7:34  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.