Behind The Wall

I'm so excited to finally share this conversation with Mike Sabath!

Mike is one of the incredibly talented songwriters and producers who's helped create some of the biggest songs in music today. From working with RAYE on songs like “Escapism.”, “Oscar Winning Tears.”, and “WHERE IS MY HUSBAND!” to collaborating with Shawn Mendes, Camila Cabello, Selena Gomez, J Balvin, and so many others, Mike has been a part of some truly incredible music.

But what makes Mike so special isn't just the songs he's worked on. It's the way he thinks about music, creativity, collaboration, and the relationships that make great art possible.In this episode of Behind The Wall, we dive into his creative partnership with RAYE, the stories behind some of their biggest songs, his experiences with legendary creative minds like Rick Rubin and Pharrell, and the lessons he's learned throughout his journey.

And what I love about this conversation is that it goes so much deeper than just making hit songs. We talk about trusting your instincts, finding your own creative voice, building meaningful relationships, and what it really takes to turn an idea into something that connects with millions of people.

💡 This conversation is for YOU if:

🔥 You're an artist, songwriter, or producer trying to take your craft to the next level

🔥 You've ever wondered how songs like “Escapism.” and “WHERE IS MY HUSBAND!” came to life

🔥 You want to understand how some of the most creative minds in music approach their work

🔥 You've ever doubted yourself or struggled to trust your own creative instincts

What stood out to me most about Mike was his passion for music and the way he approaches creativity. It's a reminder that behind every song we love are people, relationships, ideas, and countless moments that most of the world never gets to see.

Mike, thank you for opening up about your journey, sharing your experiences, and letting us go deeper into the music you've helped create. I'm incredibly grateful we got to have this conversation, and I genuinely hope it inspires the next generation of songwriters, producers, and creatives.

And thank you to everyone who continues to support Behind The Wall and makes conversations like this possible. It means more than you know.Welcome Behind The Wall with Mike Sabath. 🙏

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⬇️ More of Mike SabathInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikesabath/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1EFIfAP2Nc6MH3?si=a26a38a6057e4f63YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkBY4T2IX68z3OYCSrtkr2A⬇️ More of DanielYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielsWallInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielwall/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@danielswall

Alex Warren has had one of the craziest journeys in music.

Before millions of people were listening to his songs, Alex was homeless, had lost both of his parents, was afraid to sing in front of people, and was being told that maybe singing wasn’t for him. Today, he’s become one of the biggest new artists in the world.

I got to sit down with Alex for Behind The Wall and go all the way back to the beginning to understand how he got here, the stories behind his music, and how so much of his life eventually found its way into his songs.

We talk about losing his parents, the last letter his dad left him, his relationship with his wife Kouvr, learning to believe in himself as an artist, the strategy behind getting his music heard, and what it actually took to turn music into a real career.

But this episode isn’t just about Alex’s success. It’s about everything that happened before it, and what artists and creatives can learn from his journey.

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💡 This conversation is for YOU if:
🔥 You’ve ever been told you weren’t good enough
🔥 You’ve ever doubted whether you could actually make it
🔥 You’re an artist or songwriter trying to turn your own experiences into music
🔥 You want to understand how Alex went from creating content online to building a real career as an artist
🔥 You’ve ever felt like giving up on something you really wanted

We also dive into the stories behind his music, his songwriting process, how he approaches getting his songs in front of people, what he learned from years of creating online, and how his life has changed as his music has reached more and more people.

What stood out to me about Alex’s story is how many different points there were where he could have stopped. He didn’t start out believing he was an incredible singer or knowing that music was going to work. He dealt with doubt, rejection, and people questioning whether he could actually do it, but he kept going.

That’s a huge part of why I started Behind The Wall in the first place. I want these conversations to show the part of someone’s story that you don’t always see once they’ve made it. It’s easy to look at someone like Alex today and see the success. It’s a lot harder to see everything that had to happen before anyone was paying attention.

Alex, thank you for taking the time to sit down with me, for sharing your story, and for letting us go Behind The Wall together.

And thank you to everyone who continues to support Behind The Wall and makes these conversations possible. I hope this episode reaches someone who’s been told they aren’t good enough and reminds them that other people don’t get to decide how your story ends.

Tove Lo is behind way more hit songs than most people realize.

From her own hits like “Habits (Stay High)” and “Talking Body” to helping write songs like “Heroes (we could be),” Ellie Goulding’s “Love Me Like You Do” and “Still Falling for You,” Tove Lo has quietly been behind some of the biggest pop songs of the last decade.

In this episode of Behind The Wall, Tove Lo takes us inside the stories behind the songs, from the records that launched her career as an artist to the massive hits she’s written for other artists. We talk about how these songs actually came together, her songwriting process, becoming an artist after starting out as a songwriter, and the stories behind some of the biggest moments of her career.

This is Tove Lo like you’ve never heard her before.

Ne-Yo didn't just make some of the biggest songs of the 2000s. He wrote them for himself and so many others!

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In this episode of Behind The Wall, I sat down with Ne-Yo to go behind the songs, stories, and career of one of the most successful songwriters and artists of his generation.

Before the world knew him for songs like “So Sick,” “Miss Independent,” and “Closer,” Ne-Yo was already building his career as a songwriter. He went on to write and collaborate with some of the biggest artists in the world, including Beyoncé, Rihanna, Mario, Celine Dion, and more.

We talk about the stories behind some of his biggest songs, how he approaches songwriting, what makes a song connect with millions of people, writing for other artists versus himself, becoming an artist in his own right, and the lessons he's learned throughout more than two decades in the music industry.

This conversation is for YOU if:

🔥 You grew up listening to 2000s R&B
🔥 You want to know the stories behind some of the biggest songs of that era
🔥 You're a songwriter, artist, or producer trying to get better at your craft
🔥 You've ever wondered what actually goes into writing a hit song
🔥 You know Ne-Yo the artist, but have no idea just how many songs he's been behind

One of my favorite things about Behind The Wall is getting to sit down with the people behind the songs we all know and give them the space to tell the stories we don't always get to hear. Ne-Yo has been part of the soundtrack to so many people's lives, both through his own music and the songs he's written for others, and I'm really excited for you to hear this conversation.

If you enjoy the episode, subscribe to Behind The Wall for more conversations with the artists, songwriters, producers, and creatives behind the music you love.

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This is hands down one of my favorite conversations we’ve ever had!

Russ has built one of the most unique careers in modern music. He’s released hit records, built a massive global fanbase, and became one of the artists who helped redefine what it means to be independent in the music industry.

But what I loved about this conversation is that we got to go way beyond the success and really understand how he did it.

Russ takes us through his journey from making and releasing music on his own, to songs like “What They Want” and “Losin Control” changing everything, to building a career where ownership, independence, and believing in yourself have remained at the center of everything he does.

But this episode isn’t just about Russ’ story. It’s about what artists can learn from it.

We talk about what being independent actually means, why artists shouldn’t wait for someone else to give them permission to succeed, how to build an audience that truly cares about you, the importance of consistency, and what Russ has learned from betting on himself throughout his career.

💡 This conversation is for YOU if:

🔥 You’re an independent artist trying to build a career

🔥 You’ve ever felt like you needed a label or someone in the industry to believe in you

🔥 You want to understand how Russ built such a loyal fanbase

🔥 You’re an artist, songwriter, producer, or creative trying to turn what you love into a real career

🔥 You’ve ever doubted whether you can actually make it on your own

We also dive into the stories behind his music, the lessons he’s learned throughout his career, his evolution as both an artist and entrepreneur, and the next chapter of what he’s building.

What hit me most about this conversation was Russ’ belief in taking control of your own life and career. There are so many people waiting for somebody else to discover them, validate them, or give them an opportunity. Russ’ story is a reminder that sometimes you have to create that opportunity yourself.

I’ve followed Russ’ journey for years, and getting the chance to finally sit down and go through his story with him was incredibly special. I genuinely think there are so many moments in this conversation that are going to connect with artists and creatives who are trying to figure out their own path.

Russ, thank you for the honesty, the advice, and for trusting me to help share your story. So grateful we finally got to go Behind The Wall together. 🙏🔥

And thank you to everyone who continues to support Behind The Wall and makes conversations like this possible. I truly hope this episode inspires the next generation of independent artists and creatives to bet on themselves.

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⬇️ More of Russ

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/russ/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@russ?lang=en

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1z7b1Pr1rSlvWRzsW3HOrS?si=RTyfSObAQ-W7t4J_HkOb6w

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One of The Most Honest Episodes of Behind The Wall.X Ambassadors have written some of the biggest songs of the last decade, including "Renegades" and "Unsteady"But behind those songs is a story of uncertainty, rejection, and a band that kept going no matter what.In this episode of Behind The Wall, Sam Harris, Casey Harris, and Adam Levin take us inside the making of X Ambassadors. We listen to original demos, break down the stories behind their biggest songs, talk about writing for artists like Rihanna, Eminem, Lizzo, and The Weeknd, and revisit the moments that completely changed the trajectory of their career.But this conversation isn't just about hit songs.It's about learning that your most honest work often becomes your most meaningful.It's about believing in yourself long before anyone else does.And it's about discovering that the songs you almost never write can end up changing your life forever.🎵 Want to release your own music? I've used DistroKid for over 6 years to get my songs on Spotify, Apple Music, and everywhere else. Use my link to get 7% off your membership ➜ https://distrokid.com/vip/seven/1296306This conversation is for YOU if:🔥 You're a songwriter, artist, producer, or creative chasing your dream.🔥 You love hearing the stories behind iconic songs.🔥 You've ever wondered how "Renegades," "Unsteady," and X Ambassadors' biggest records were actually made.🔥 You've ever felt like giving up before your breakthrough came.What stayed with me most wasn't hearing the demos. It was realizing how many of these songs almost never existed. The songs that reached millions of people came from moments of doubt, vulnerability, and uncertainty. That's a reminder every creative needs to hear.Sam, Casey, and Adam, thank you for sharing your stories, your music, and your honesty. It was an honor to finally go Behind The Wall with you. And thank you to everyone who continues to support this show and help bring these conversations to life. I truly believe conversations like this inspire the next generation of creatives.📘 FREE PDF: 15 Lessons from The Greatest Minds in MusicDownload now → https://nas.com/behindthewall/products/dxue

In this special bonus episode of Behind The Wall, Jenna and Stephen take us inside the original demos behind songs for BTS and K-Pop Demon Hunters, breaking down how these records evolved from rough ideas into songs heard by millions around the world.Want to release your own music? I’ve used DistroKid for over 6 years to get my songs on Spotify, Apple Music, and everywhere else. Use my link to get 7% off your membership ➼ ⁠https://distrokid.com/vip/seven/1296306⁠For the first time, you'll hear early versions, alternate ideas, and the creative decisions that shaped songs like "Butter," "Permission To Dance," "Free," and "What It Sounds Like."But what makes this episode so fascinating isn't just hearing the demos. It's getting a rare look into the creative process itself. How do songwriters know when an idea is special? What changes between a demo and the final version? And what does it actually take to create music that connects with people around the world?💡 This episode is for YOU if:🔥 You're an artist, songwriter, or producer trying to improve your craft🔥 You've ever wondered how hit songs sound before they're finished🔥 You love BTS, K-Pop Demon Hunters, and the stories behind the music🔥 You're fascinated by the songwriting and production processWhat hit me most while filming this wasn't how different some of the demos were. It was realizing that every song starts somewhere. Before the charts, before the streams, before millions of people hear it, every song begins as a simple idea.Jenna and Stephen, thank you for sharing these demos, your stories, and your creative process with all of us. And thank you to everyone who continues to support Behind The Wall and make conversations like this possible.I truly believe this episode will inspire the next generation of songwriters, producers, and creatives.Watch Part 1 Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYqwu_ShLZ0📘 FREE PDF: 15 Lessons from The Greatest Minds in Music Download now → https://nas.com/behindthewall/products/dxue⬇️ More of Jenna & Stphen📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejennaandrews/?hl=enhttps://www.instagram.com/iamstephenkirk/?hl=en📱 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thejennaandrews https://www.tiktok.com/@iamstephenkirkSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2EvaSHAnL1eSsYDMleYlO5?si=RtReMzZZRQuioU0c6oocVw https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1EFDDnh7fKJYOZ?si=76c8a6f3607d419d⬇️ More of Daniel📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielwall📱 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@danielswall📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielsWall

This is one of those interviews that perfectly captures why Behind The Wall exists.When most people hear a song like "Butter" by BTS, they hear the finished record. What they don't see are the years of work, sacrifice, setbacks, and persistence that made that moment possible.Jenna Andrews and Stephen Kirk are two of the creative minds behind some of the biggest songs in K-pop, including BTS's global smash hit "Butter." More recently, they helped bring the music of K-Pop Demon Hunters to life, contributing to one of the biggest entertainment stories of the year.But this episode isn't really about the songs. It's about the journey.It's about almost giving up. It's about betting on yourself when nobody else sees the vision. It's about spending years developing your craft before the opportunities finally arrive.In this conversation, Jenna and Stephen share the stories behind their careers, the lessons they've learned working with some of the biggest artists in the world, what BTS was really like to work with, and how K-Pop Demon Hunters came together behind the scenes.💡 This conversation is for YOU if:🔥 You're an artist, songwriter, producer, or creative trying to make it🔥 You've ever questioned whether you're on the right path🔥 You love BTS, K-pop, or K-Pop Demon Hunters🔥 You want to learn what success actually looks like behind the scenesI've always believed the most valuable lessons come from hearing successful people talk honestly about the struggles, setbacks, failures, and experiences that shaped them long before the world knew their names.Jenna and Stephen, thank you both for your openness, generosity, and willingness to share your story. I know this conversation is going to inspire a lot of people, especially the next generation of songwriters, producers, and creatives who are still trying to find their place in the world. I hope you enjoy this one as much as I did. Welcome Behind The Wall.⬇️ More of Jenna & Stphen📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejennaandrews/?hl=enhttps://www.instagram.com/iamstephenkirk/?hl=en📱 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thejennaandrews https://www.tiktok.com/@iamstephenkirkSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2EvaSHAnL1eSsYDMleYlO5?si=RtReMzZZRQuioU0c6oocVw https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1EFDDnh7fKJYOZ?si=76c8a6f3607d419d⬇️ More of Daniel📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/danielwall📱 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@danielswall📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielsWall

GaryVee has spent the last two decades building businesses, predicting trends, and helping millions of people navigate the internet. But this conversation wasn't really about entrepreneurship. It was about insecurity.In this episode of Behind The Wall, Gary Vaynerchuk opens up about why he believes the internet and social media have fundamentally changed the way we see ourselves, why so many people struggle with comparison, and what it actually takes to build confidence in a world where everyone is constantly being judged.We talk about self-worth, validation, failure, happiness, relationships, creativity, and the hidden cost of living your life through other people's opinions. Gary shares lessons from his own journey, what he's learned from watching millions of people online, and why he believes most people are dramatically underestimating themselves.🎵 Want to release your own music? I’ve used DistroKid for over 6 years to get my songs on Spotify, Apple Music, and everywhere else. Use my link to get 7% off your membership ➼ ⁠https://distrokid.com/vip/seven/1296306⁠💡 This conversation is for YOU if:🔥 You constantly compare yourself to other people online🔥 You're struggling with confidence, self-doubt, or feeling behind in life🔥 You want to build something meaningful but feel afraid of failing🔥 You're trying to figure out what actually matters and how to be happierWhat hit me most wasn't Gary's business advice. It was how much of success comes down to mindset. This conversation challenged the way I think about ambition, comparison, and the pressure we put on ourselves every day.Whether you're an entrepreneur, artist, creator, student, or simply someone trying to find your place in the world, I genuinely believe there's something in this conversation that can help you.Gary, thank you for your honesty, your energy, and for taking the time to share your perspective. And thank you to everyone who continues to support Behind The Wall and helps make conversations like this possible. I hope this episode helps someone who needs to hear it.📘 FREE PDF: 15 Lessons from The Greatest Minds in Music Download now → https://nas.com/behindthewall/products/dxue🧢 Behind The Wall Merch → [LINK]⬇️ More of GaryVee📺 YouTube: @GaryVee📸 Instagram: @garyvee📱 TikTok: @garyvee⬇️ More of Daniel📺 YouTube: @DanielsWall📸 Instagram: @danielwall📱 TikTok: @danielswall

Lauren Christy helped create the soundtrack of an entire generation.

Before she was writing songs like "Complicated," "Sk8er Boi," "I'm With You," and countless other hits, she was a songwriter trying to find her place in an industry that didn't always know what to do with her.

In this episode of Behind The Wall, Lauren takes us through her incredible journey from aspiring artist to one of the most influential songwriters and producers of the last two decades. We talk about forming The Matrix, discovering Avril Lavigne, creating the songs that helped define the 2000s, and the reality of what happens after your life changes overnight.

But this conversation isn't just about hit songs. It's about betting on yourself when nobody else sees the vision. It's about surviving the uncertainty that comes before success. And it's about what it really feels like when the thing you've spent your entire life chasing finally happens.

This conversation is for YOU if:

🔥 You're a songwriter, artist, producer, or creative chasing a dream

🔥 You grew up on the music of the 2000s and want to hear the stories behind it

🔥 You've ever wondered how songs like "Complicated," "Sk8er Boi," and "I'm With You" were actually made

🔥 You've ever felt like success was taking longer than it should

What hit me most wasn't just hearing the stories behind these records. It was hearing Lauren talk about the years before anyone knew her name, the setbacks, the sacrifices, and the moments where everything could have gone differently.

So many people know these songs. Very few know the story of the woman who helped create them.

Lauren, thank you for your honesty, your generosity, and for helping shape the music that so many of us grew up with. It was an honor to finally go Behind The Wall with you.

And thank you to everyone who continues to support this show and help bring these conversations to life. I truly believe this episode will inspire the next generation of creatives.

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Want to release your own music? I’ve used DistroKid for over 6 years to get my songs on Spotify, Apple Music, and everywhere else. Use my link to get 7% off your membership ➼ ⁠https://distrokid.com/vip/seven/1296306⁠