The Sticky From The Inside Podcast

Belonging vs Bonding: Finding Connection in a Divided World


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In this powerful episode, Greg Morley—global DEI leader and author of Bond: Belonging and the Keys to Inclusion & Connection—joins Andy to explore what it really takes to foster belonging in the workplace. Together they unpack:

  • The difference between belonging (how we feel) and bonding (what we do).
  • Why inclusion requires intentional action, not just good vibes or policies.
  • How Greg’s global experience across 80+ countries shaped his belief in curiosity as a leadership superpower.
  • What happens when we honour intent, not just punish mistakes.
  • And why real inclusion lives in the middle ground—not the extremes.
  • If you’ve ever felt stuck in the performative DEI conversation or worried about “saying the wrong thing,” this is a must-listen. Practical, warm, and full of insight.

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    Key Takeaways
    • Belonging is a feeling; bonding is a choice. One makes people feel included. The other drives commitment and performance.
    • Inclusion is built through micro-behaviours. It’s not a programme—it’s what leaders say and do every day, especially when no one’s watching.
    • Curiosity is an underrated superpower. It builds bridges, sparks self-worth, and disarms fear—especially in tough conversations.
    • We must reclaim the middle ground. Honouring good intent while correcting mistakes makes inclusion sustainable—not performative or punitive.
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      Key Moments

      The key moments in this episode are:

      0:00:10 – Why Inclusion Feels Under Attack in 2025

      0:04:14 – Greg Morley’s Global DEI Journey
      0:13:09 – The Critical Difference Between Belonging and Bonding
      0:16:19 – Why Inclusion Isn’t a Perk—It’s a Performance Strategy
      0:19:10 – Curiosity, Culture, and Conversations That Matter
      0:30:32 – Making Mistakes, Owning Them, and Moving On
      0:36:05 – Allyship, Advocacy, and Action in the Workplace
      0:38:01 – Why DEI’s Middle Ground Is Where Progress Lives
      0:42:32 – Greg’s 3 Sticky Notes on Inclusive Leadership

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      Useful Links
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