Lecrae sits down with Michael Miller — co-host of Remnant Radio, church planter, and one of the most scripturally grounded voices in the deliverance space — to talk about what the Bible actually says about demons, healing, spiritual authority, and why the charismatic church keeps producing charlatans. No easy answers. No hype. Just a long, honest look at the stuff most pastors won't touch.

They get into: Michael's journey from a broken home with a Jewish mother and Mormon father to being discipled by Jack Deere. Why the cessationist argument doesn't hold up scripturally. What "demonization" actually means in Greek — and why "possession" is the wrong word. Whether Christians can have demons (spoiler: the early church didn't debate it). The Scottish border clan curse from 1525 that's still showing up in prayer sessions. How to tell a false prophet from a real one. Why prophecy is supposed to be local — and why the YouTube prophets keep getting it wrong. And Lecrae shares his own story: the name he kept praying over for weeks, the girl who couldn't walk, and what happened when he finally said it out loud.

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0:00 The First Demon He Ever Encountered

1:07 Introducing Michael Miller

4:42 A Jewish Mother, a Mormon Father, and a Hidden Bible

7:00 Why He Couldn't Handle the Pentecostal Packaging

8:25 Praying to Be Discipled by Jack Deere (And It Worked)

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11:30 Lecrae's Background: The Spooky Stuff Was Off Limits

13:56 Why Lecrae Started Digging Into the Supernatural

15:26 How Michael Got Grounded in Scripture on Spiritual Things

18:18 John Wimber Prayed for the Sick for Three Years With Nothing

20:03 The First Time Michael Actually Saw Something

23:10 The Night Before: He Was Frustrated With God

25:17 Who Believes in This and Who Doesn't

27:45 So When It Comes to Demons...

28:32 The Full Story: The Demon in South Africa

33:25 Why Did It Listen to You and Not Her?

38:07 Christian Authority Over Demons: It's Position, Not Gift

40:46 Can Christians Have Demons?

44:29 The Greek Word "Demonize" and Why It Changes Everything

46:56 What Tertullian Said (The Guy Who Invented the Word "Trinity")

49:25 The Scottish Border Clan Curse From 1525

54:09 What Makes a Curse Effective?

59:16 Why Michael Miller Is Not Afraid of Demons

1:01:48 The Woman in Austria: Endometriosis and What Happened Next

1:03:08 What Even Is a Demon? Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Where Things Get Weird

1:07:44 Lecrae Breaks Down His Charismatic Journey

1:09:13 How Do You Tell a False Prophet From a Real One?

1:11:22 The YouTube Prophets Are Getting It Wrong

1:16:13 Can the Charismatic Church Self-Correct?

1:18:38 What Do You Do If You Know the Gifts Are Real But Keep Seeing Abuse?

1:20:39 Make Prophecy Local Again: The Story of Sally

1:23:36 Lecrae's Own Story: The Name He Kept Hearing

1:28:32 Specific Prayers, Legal Rights, and When You Have to Name the Thing

1:33:24 The Woman in Denmark Who Was Living in Sin (And Didn't Know It)

1:37:18 Can Regular Friends Pray for Your Deliverance?

1:38:27 Where to Find Michael Miller