This week Carter and Nathan take a break from books and discuss the the seminal Worse is Better essays by Richard P. Gabriel. Join them as they how Unix and C were once perceived, tradeoffs in software design, and whether or not worse is truly better!

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Worse is Better

https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html

Rise of Worse is Better

https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html

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00:00 Intro

01:37 About the Essays

06:18 Thoughts on the Essays

15:48 "the right thing" vs "worse is better" or MIT vs New Jersey

39:59 Usefulness: Why worse beats better

49:41 when worse is worse

57:31 Final Thoughts

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this episode, Gergely Orosz joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book The Software Engineer's Guidebook. Join them as Gergely reflects on the differences between writing a book and The Pragmatic Engineer newsletter, the importance of professional networks, and the state of the hiring market today!

https://www.pragmaticengineer.com/

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The Software Engineer's Guidebook

https://amzn.to/41AxMAL (Paid Link)

Thinking in Systems by Donella H. Meadows https://amzn.to/4kGtmkI (Paid Link)

Tidy First?: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design by Kent Beck

https://amzn.to/4bHoNCv (Paid Link)

Become an Effective Software Engineering Manager: How to Be the Leader Your Development Team Needs by Dr. James Stanier

https://amzn.to/4kCzvhD (Paid Link)

The Engineering Executive's Primer: Impactful Technical Leadership by Will Larsonhttps://amzn.to/4hpRDIS (Paid Link)

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00:00 Intro

02:11 What inspired you to write the book?

08:46 Gaining the Vocabulary and learning on your own

13:45 Writing a Newsletter vs Writing a Book

22:55 Taking initiative and Embracing Curiosity

35:30 Working Remotely and Cultivating Connections

41:13 Periodic Effort: Stretching, Executing, and Coasting

46:41 Navigating Company Cultures

50:05 The Future of Interviews: AI Cheating and the end of the Remote Interviews

58:33 How the job market has changed

01:05:10 Closing Thoughts

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

This week Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of System Design Interview by Alex Xu. Join them as they discuss how system design interviews prepare you for daily work, what system design questions they've been asked in the past, and their thoughts on Apple Intelligence!

Byte Byte Go: https://bytebytego.com/

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System Design Interview by Alex Xu

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00:00 Intro

03:30 Thoughts on the Book

14:01 Nathan's Favorite Case Study and Thoughts on Take-Home Problems

21:23 non sequitur: Applying for Jobs, Recruiters, and Compensation

36:03 non sequitur: roasting Apple on how bad Siri is right now.

41:57 Carter's favorite case study and New books for the backlog

49:07 Final Thoughts

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Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this episode, Carson Gross joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Hypermedia Systems Join them as Carson reflects on the process of publishing the book, the development of HTMX, and how to deal with setbacks!

John Ousterhout and Bob Martin Conversationhttps://github.com/johnousterhout/aposd-vs-clean-code

Fixi.js (a new project from Carson Gross)https://github.com/bigskysoftware/fixi

Triptych - New Attributes for HTML

https://github.com/alexpetros/triptychHTMXhttps://htmx.org/-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------Hypermedia Systemshttps://amzn.to/4iou43T (Paid Link)Philosophy of

Software Design by John Ousterhouthttps://amzn.to/4bEVMHp (Paid Link)

The Master and Margarita: 50th-Anniversary Edition by Mikhail Bulgakov

https://amzn.to/3R1pzR3 (Paid Link)

Worse is Better (essay)https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html

No Silver Bullet

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00:00 Intro

01:47 What Inspired you to write Hypermedia Systems

07:37 Challenging Assumptions, Hypermedia, Javascript, and Worse is Better

13:51 Roy Fielding, REST, HATEOAS and mispronouncing things.

16:15 What is the most surprising outcome of writing Hypermedia Systems?

19:42 Creating fixi.js

28:32 Discussing Progressive Enhancement, Triptych, and Browser Standards

35:40 Dealing with Setbacks and Success

41:01 No Silver Bullet, and the Ousterhout and Martin debate

50:00 What if No HTMX? Hypercard

56:11 Tool chains, debuggers, and developer expectations

01:01:29 Final Thoughts

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Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

This week Carter and Nathan discuss the first half of System Design Interview by Alex Xu. Join them as they discuss Alex's excellent newsletter Byte Byte Go, how systems design interviews reflect actual jobs, and what tips and tricks Alex offers to ace your interviews!

Byte Byte Go: https://bytebytego.com/

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00:00 Intro

01:33 About the Book

03:08 Thoughts on the Book

11:57 What is a Systems Design Interview?

22:15 Why focus on Systems Design Interview?

27:26 Our Experience with System Design Interviews

36:09 Strategies, Approach, and Expertise

40:20 Importance of Back of the Envelope Calculations

45:39 Learning through building

57:02 Final Thoughts

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the second half of Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais. Join them as they discuss how teams evolve, when you can tell a team might be reaching its breaking point, and what a company needs beyond the team topologies!

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Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais

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00:00 Intro

01:26 About the Book

03:10 Thoughts on the Book

09:20 Team Interaction Modes

41:01 Changing Team Structures

01:05:04 Final Thoughts

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Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the first half of Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais. Join them as they discuss the four main types of teams, what teams they've worked on in the past, remote work, and more!

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Team Topologies by Matthew Skelton and Manuel Pais

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X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod

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Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the back half of Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek. Join them as they discuss the pros and cons of HTMX, whether or not you should choose it over a more popular framework like React, and more!

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Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek

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Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter and Nathan discuss the first 200 pages of Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek. Join them as they discuss HTMX, an alternative to modern JavaScript front-end frameworks, and the philosophies that made Web 1.0 so powerful!

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Hypermedia Systems by Carson Gross, Adam Stepinski, and Deniz Akşimşek

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io

In this special episode of Book Overflow, Kent Beck joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Tidy First? Join them as Kent reflects on the artistry of programming design, the importance of optionality, and how the Time Value of Money applies to software engineering!

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Tidy First?

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Nathan's Functionally Imperative: www.functionallyimperative.com

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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!

The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at https://www.bookoverflow.io