Pizza is art and, in Canada, it can also be political. David and Derek look for inspiration from a Montrealer whose first-time pizza venture Segreta is a hit with lovers of the thicker Roman variety Al Taglio.

Richi Ourichian goes deep on fermentation, sourcing and the discipline behind doing a simple thing properly. He traces his path from the family fleeing the Armenian genocide, to running successful mall shoemaking businesses, and then how pandemic-era inspiration led him to take a chance with a style of pizza that stands out from the rest.

The chefs unpack how tomato provenance can shape the final product, and how Canada's supply management system can limit access to the cheeses many pizzamakers would prefer. They also take on one of the more loaded questions in modern baking: whether sourdough is worth the effort and, for pizza purposes, if it is more about ego than good pies.

Salt Lick is a TNKR Media original podcast.