Change is in the air for the final Salt Lick episode of the year. For starters, David has a new co-host and business partner.

Derek Dammann, renowned chef, farmer and co-owner with David of the new Grille-Nature on Montréal's West Island, joins the program and the pair will be podcasting in the new year from a studio nook in the restaurant. Just hours away from Christmas break, the chefs are admittedly exhausted and use this time to review their opening menu, describing the creative choices made, shout-out farmers and suppliers who help elevate the offerings, and describe the chaos of the first few weeks—along with touching moments, like watching their kids work together on the line.

Speaking of Montréal's most talked-about restaurant opening, the chefs aren't wasting any time to announce an expansion: a fast-casual concept attached to Grille-Nature, and details are shared later in the episode.

Special thanks to Lesley Chesterman for her contribution to Salt Lick's first year. You can follow her writing on Substack at Lick My Plate.

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David invites a friend from Maine onto the podcast to explore how the scrappy chef grinded his way onto the 2025 New York Times 50 Best Restaurants list while cooking on a glass-top home stove.

Sam Richman of Sammy's Deluxe in Rockland, Maine is candid about his wildly diverse journey from washing dishes and making cheeseburgers as a teen in New Hampshire, to working pastry at The Fat Duck in the English countryside when it topped the World's 50 Best, to Manhattan's WD-50 as the (unfortunate) molecular gastronomy craze heated up, and finally landing on a quiet corner of the New England coast where he's blossomed.

As a younger chef, Sam describes a road trip-pilgrimage up to Montréal to meet David, inspired by the first Joe Beef cookbook. This conversation is a testament to the power of mentorship in cooking; if these classical bonds between chefs remain strong, mentees become peers.

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What began as an episode devoted to the noble oyster took a sad turn with the news that our guest's mentor had passed away. This edition of Salt Lick featuring Patrick McMurry is dedicated to the memory of Rodney Clark, the Toronto restaurateur and founder of Rodney's Oyster House.

Patrick, the Guiness World Record holder for fastest oyster shucker, shares his experiences working for Rodney over eight years and how his legacy lives on in seafood market restaurants across the country run by other protégés. Through his Oyster Master Guild, Patrick trains food professionals to understand, appreciate and properly serve the molluscs; he explains tips for effective shucking, how he wins competitions, and why the right knife is key.

Oysters have been depicted in literature for centuries; a luxury, aphrodisiac or fertility stimulant. Patrick shares poems from MFK Fisher and, to conclude, one of Rodney's favourites, The Walrus and the Carpenter by Lewis Carroll.

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Having written multiple books themselves, David and Lesley invite one of North America's most renowned cookbook authors to discuss her adventures, creative process and the challenges of publishing.

Naomi Duguid has published nine cookbooks, her latest being the James Beard-nominated Miracle of Salt: Recipes and Techniques to Preserve, Ferment, and Transform Your Food; her 2016 book Taste of Persia won the prestigious award.

The trio are candid about what it takes to write a cookbook and the challenges of maintaining creative control. David takes us behind the scenes of his first Joe Beef cookbook, while Lesley gets real about how much of her writing gets trimmed by editors. Naomi takes the hosts on a journey through her many travels, taking great lengths to balance honest storytelling from trusted local sources while avoiding politics entirely.

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A short bonus chat show as Lesley and David prepare to welcome some high-profile guests. The hosts have wine on their mind; specifically, a recap of Lesley and boyfriend/wine writer Jean Aubry's trip to David's vineyard where they assisted with the harvest of Chardonnay, Pinot and Gewürztraminer grapes.

David explains the fermentation process ahead as he expects to produce about 8,500 litres of wine from this year's crop.

They also spend some time analyzing the 50 Best Restaurants list, and how one in ten are located in Montréal; did any benefit from a Chesterman bump? David also gushes about a former Joe Beef colleague who was named best sommelière in North America, as both agree that concerns over the negative effects of drinking wine may be blown out of proportion.

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David has some news: he's going back into the restaurant business and this time, it's personal. On the theme of milestones, he invites the owners of two renowned Montréal neighbourhood restaurants, Josh Crowe and Barbara Irwin of Taverne, to celebrate their 30th anniversary.

Lesley starts by grilling David on Grille-Nature, described as a labour of love that will serve market-driven classics at affordable prices. It's a partnership with fellow chef and farmer Derek Dammann, an ambitious suburban project in Montréal's West Island that replaces a burger joint in the underappreciated Marché de l'Ouest. Lesley may even make some desserts... What does it take to run a successful neighbourhood spot that can stand the test of time? The question is candidly explored in a few different ways, like expansion strategy and cultivating regulars; but even prior to Joe Beef, David was always inspired by Taverne's ambitious cuisine in an area that, three decades ago, had few upscale or market options. After a five-year hiatus from the restaurant business, he is feeling inspired again and will be discussing Grille-Nature developments on the podcast as he aims for a late fall opening. Follow David & Lesley on Instagram.

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​David invites a neighbour over for a chat, a trailblazer in Canadian winemaking who, 25 years ago this summer, took a "crazy" risk by acquiring a vineyard in southern Québec; it paid off and Les Pervenches helped kickstart a natural wine craze that hasn't faded.

As Lesley wraps up her trip to Burgundy, the hosts press Mike for insight on how he managed to grow French grapes like Chardonnay that survive Canada's harsh winters. David describes Mike's Chardonnay vintages as the best in the country many years; Les Pervenches went fully organic and biodynamic by 2008, helping to fuel a wave of Montréal natural wine bars.

Wondering where to buy Les Pervenches? Only about one in ten bottles end up in grocery stores because demand from private clients like specialty grocers, importers and restaurants has been so ferocious; a testament to Mike and partner Véronique Hupin's commitment to both winemaking and regenerative agriculture.

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One more hazy late summer chat show before the duo get back to some interviews this fall. This time, Lesley is podcasting from the scorched vineyards in Burgundy while David talks about his recent trip to Maine; he pushes back against Canada's "elbows up" culture of retaliation especially against agriculture businesses across the border.

They share their own stories about summer heat, drought and travel. Also on the menu, irrigation bans in France, rising food prices in Québec and whether Michelin stars elevate or distort restaurant culture, with stops in Québec City and detours discussing Chablis and the economics of Canadian cheese.

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David and Lesley are sharing a couple of spirited late summer conversations before returning to interviews this fall. This time, they start with vineyard chores under the blazing sun—leaf-pulling, mulching and the dangers of farm machinery—before moving to kitchens past and present, swapping horror stories of burns, cuts and chemical mishaps.

Along the way, David talks about a community dinner he prepared in Prince Edward County, and Lesley shares a deep dive into Montréal's most meticulous sushi counter. The conversation closes on a tougher note, and listener discretion is advised: allegations of abuse in restaurants, candid reflections on the hosts' own experiences and how the industry has evolved with #metoo movement scrutiny.

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There's nothing bland about the vanilla industry, argues a Montrealer who has been one of the most important industrial importers of the orchid since the early 1990s.

David van der Walde, Director of Aust & Hachmann Canada, joins Lesley & David for a deep dive on one of the planet's most ubiquitous ingredients, a product as essential for industrial flavour companies as the world's top pâtissiers; how vanilla is farmed, challenges in its distribution, and why its cost has been so historically volatile. He also explains how companies like Häagen-Dazs are able to elevate their products through specialized vanilla sourcing, and if he feels Madagascar's farmers are getting a raw deal.

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