Salt Lick with David McMillan & Derek Dammann

A bonus episode: David and Lesley catch up for a casual chat about overrated and underrated spring ingredients while both are on the road.

Lesley attended a gathering of Canadian chefs aiming to promote sustainable ingredients but the pair is unsure how often seal will be making the menu; David has been promoting his new book Spilled: Natural Winemakers Stories and Recipes but the only thing he's gushing about lately is his Barnevelder hen Brownie.

On creating a more diverse and sustainable food supply, David suggests Canadian restaurants should experiment with venison and unpacks the differences, if any, between Canadian, American and French lobsters. He also offers tips on spinach, asparagus and why you may want to consider overcooking your peas.

The hosts also share thoughts on their favourite mushroom dishes, and offer a serious warning about the chef-fueled mythology surrounding false morels, a toxic species that resembles its safer mycelial cousins.

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Salt Lick's very first guest helps David and Lesley answer an important question: What happened to bread?

Dawn Woodward is the co-founder of Evelyn's Wholegrain Bakery in Toronto and the author of the new Flour is Flavour. The American-born baker is on a mission to promote whole grain flours and breads, emphasizing that they are not only tastier but nutritious and sustainable when sourced locally.

Specializing in Ontario grains, Dawn offers tips on which—rye, barley, oat, buckwheat, spelt, etc.—are best suited to upgrade baked treats like chocolate chip cookies and pop tarts. The trio also discuss why the public should be more educated about grain farming, the challenges of gluten-free baking and the legend surrounding a great Canadian grain on the verge of a comeback, the Red Fife.

As spring has arrived in southern Québec, David and Lesley first warm up with a chat about seasonal ingredients, including the underrated snow crab which the hosts lament is mostly exported; they also discuss a bit of politics and interprovincial trade dynamics in the wine business; David also comes out as pro-doggie bag and even explains how restaurant leftovers can be a marketing opportunity.

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David and Lesley are warming up as podcast partners while temperatures rise in southern Québec, and the defrost (dégel) brings with it a heavy workload at the farm.

Among the topics related to vineyard management, David praises organic winemaking but warns of the bureaucracy needed for certification. He also goes through the various wild animals he must keep away from the grapes including coyotes, deer and a mythical subspecies of bobcat that locals swear isn't, as reported, extinct.

For Salt Lick's first news segment, Lesley watched the entire Meghan Markle (Meghan Sussex?) cooking series on Netflix so you don't have to, and has mixed feelings; the pair discuss post-pandemic developments with Québec's onerous wine and spirits regulations, and how necessary alcohol sales are to the success of many restaurants; Québec is also tackling restaurant no-shows with legislation but David is wary of yet more government overreach.

Next on Salt Lick: Flour and breadmaking with the show's first guest, Dawn Woodward of Evelyn's Wholegrain Bakery in Toronto.

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In the inaugural episode of Salt Lick, acclaimed chef/restaurateur turned winemaker David McMillan joins food writer Lesley Chesterman to swap stories about Montréal's intense fine dining scene, while exploring their own rivalry and friendship.

David discusses cofounding the iconic Joe Beef group of restaurants, as well as his recent departure and pivot toward agriculture. Lesley offers insight into David's competitive streak, while they reflect on the impact classically-trained French chefs have had on Canadian food culture.

Lesley also revists her first Montreal Gazette review of Joe Beef, one which left David shaken despite its positivity; the pair get into the pressures of restaurant reviews, and the shifting landscape of food criticism in the Instagram age.

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