Trending In Ed with Mike Palmer

Building Equal Opportunity Schools with AJ Gutierrez


Listen Later

Mike Palmer welcomes back Friend of the Show, AJ Gutierrez, the pioneering co-founder of Saga Education, now CEO of Equal Opportunity Schools (EOS).

AJ shares his transition from direct service to a focus on systemic change, detailing the crucial, often overlooked, mission of EOS: identifying and accelerating equitable opportunity for high-potential students. Historically, education equity conversations focus on raising students to grade level; EOS tackles the issue of "stranded brilliance" by finding students—disproportionately Black and Brown students experiencing poverty—who are ready for advanced coursework but are being overlooked. AJ cites compelling research from Mathematica demonstrating that students placed in AP classes through the EOS process perform just as well as control groups, confirming they were ready all along.

The conversation pivots to the broader K-12 landscape, touching on threats to federal data infrastructure (e.g., IES, NSF funding) and the role of AI. AJ stresses that while technology is a powerful tool for decision support, summarization, and translation (like with IEPs), it's not a silver bullet. He outlines his vision for the "next derivative" of EOS—leveraging their extensive student and teacher survey data (300,000 students surveyed annually) to act as a crucial data backbone for districts. This involves connecting district leaders with high-leverage information to evaluate the return on investment across specific initiatives (e.g., STEM, absenteeism) and empowering families with simple, accessible data to shape their children's educational trajectories.

Key Takeaways:

  • Addressing "Stranded Brilliance": Equal Opportunity Schools (EOS) focuses on finding and placing high-potential students who are overlooked into advanced coursework, a crucial and effective pathway for systemic equity.

  • Data Backbone for Districts: The next phase of EOS involves using its large survey dataset to serve as a central source of strategic data for district leaders, connecting initiatives, vendors, and outcomes.

  • AI as Decision Support: Generative AI's greatest educational utility lies in summarizing complex data and translating information (like IEPs) for better family accessibility, not in replacing human decision-making.

  • The Power of Policy & Practice: True systems change requires demonstrating successful practice (like high-impact tutoring) to inspire policy shifts and empower districts to sustain effective models locally.

    Why You Should Listen:

    If you are concerned about educational equity, the integrity of educational data, or how district leaders can make smarter investment decisions with limited resources, this episode is a must-listen. AJ offers an optimistic and evidence-based perspective on how to leverage data to shake up the status quo, ensuring that every student who is ready for advanced opportunity gets the chance to pursue it.

    Subscribe to Trending in Ed wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss a conversation like this one!

    ...more
    View all episodesView all episodes
    Download on the App Store

    Trending In Ed with Mike PalmerBy Palmer Media

    • 4.9
    • 4.9
    • 4.9
    • 4.9
    • 4.9

    4.9

    49 ratings


    More shows like Trending In Ed with Mike Palmer

    View all
    This American Life by This American Life

    This American Life

    90,967 Listeners

    TED Radio Hour by NPR

    TED Radio Hour

    21,953 Listeners

    Radiolab by WNYC Studios

    Radiolab

    43,816 Listeners

    Freakonomics Radio by Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

    Freakonomics Radio

    32,003 Listeners

    Planet Money by NPR

    Planet Money

    30,693 Listeners

    Hidden Brain by Hidden Brain, Shankar Vedantam

    Hidden Brain

    43,582 Listeners

    Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! by NPR

    Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!

    38,827 Listeners

    The Cult of Pedagogy Podcast by Jennifer Gonzalez

    The Cult of Pedagogy Podcast

    2,414 Listeners

    Pod Save America by Crooked Media

    Pod Save America

    87,348 Listeners

    10 Minute Teacher Podcast with Cool Cat Teacher by Vicki Davis

    10 Minute Teacher Podcast with Cool Cat Teacher

    270 Listeners

    Up First from NPR by NPR

    Up First from NPR

    56,513 Listeners

    Today, Explained by Vox

    Today, Explained

    10,215 Listeners

    Your Undivided Attention by The Center for Humane Technology, Tristan Harris, Daniel Barcay and Aza Raskin

    Your Undivided Attention

    1,601 Listeners

    Consider This from NPR by NPR

    Consider This from NPR

    6,399 Listeners

    Trump's Terms by NPR

    Trump's Terms

    394 Listeners