Most institutions offer experiential learning. Few deliver it. The gap between the claim and the outcome is structural, and closing it requires more than a better course design.

In this episode of the Changing Higher Ed® podcast, Dr. Drumm McNaughton speaks with Chris Crittenden, founder of Sandbox, a for-credit startup incubator operating at eight universities, about what it actually takes to produce the depth of learning that institutions advertise but rarely achieve.

Drawing on his experience founding and selling a technology company to Walmart, leading the entrepreneur center at Brigham Young University, and building Sandbox across multiple institutions, Crittenden explains how credit consolidation, real stakes, and interdisciplinary structure create the conditions for genuine learning. He also addresses how an AI-powered oral examination system solves the assessment problem that has long undermined open-ended experiential programs, and how institutions can build a program like Sandbox without triggering a substantive accreditation review.

This conversation is especially relevant for presidents, provosts, and academic leaders looking to close the gap between what their experiential learning programs claim to deliver and what they actually produce.

Topics Covered:

• Why most experiential learning is too shallow to produce genuine workforce capability

• How credit consolidation creates the structural conditions for deep learning

• The role of real stakes in developing professional skills that assignment deadlines cannot

• How to build an interdisciplinary program from existing approved coursework without a curriculum overhaul

• Why conventional milestone-based assessment undermines open-ended experiential learning, and what Sandbox does instead

• How to design a program that stays below the threshold for a substantive accreditation review

Real-World Examples Discussed:

• 18 Sandbox companies have received venture backing with a combined valuation exceeding $205 million

• Sandbox graduates who do not start companies consistently rank among the most competitive entry-level technology hires in their regional ecosystems

• The program has been replicated at eight universities by mapping to existing approved coursework, without triggering a substantive accreditation review at any institution

Key Takeaway for Leadership:

Universities already have the resources to build deep experiential learning programs. What is consistently absent is the leadership willing to pull them together: identifying faculty who want to work at the cutting edge, building the cross-departmental coalitions those faculty cannot form on their own, and absorbing the coordination costs personally. No new budget line required. What it takes is a leader willing to make the case, department by department, and follow through.

This episode gives institutional leaders a practical model for building deep experiential learning programs within the structural and accreditation constraints most institutions already face.

Read the transcript: https://changinghighered.com/build-workforce-readiness-through-startup-experience/

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