It's MaxFunDrive. And here, for the first time, we give you an exclusive look (well, listen) at the craft of podcasting: presenting Casters on Casters.

In this episode, Jordan Crucchiola (Feeling Seen) and John-Luke Roberts (Sound Heap with John-Luke Roberts) detail how much the podcasting landscape has changed since they got their starts, and why they aren't likely to win a podcasting Golden Globe.

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Edited and Produced by Laura Swisher for Maximum Fun.

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