In the world of beauty pageants, you have to be physically and mentally ready to wear the crown-- and falling down and getting back up is all part of the game.

Rachel invites the first openly bisexual Miss USA and Director of the Miss Grand USA Pageant, Rachel Slawson, plus this year's title holder, Cora Griffen, to chat about the highs, the lows, and the long path it takes to finally obtain a pageantry title.

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