In this episode of The Franciska Show, host Franciska discusses the complexities and behind-the-scenes efforts involved in helping women, known as agunot, who are unable to obtain a religious divorce (get) from their husbands. The episode features interviews with Jennifer Lankin, Interim CEO at ORA (Organization for the Resolution of Agunot), and Ezra Stone, a private investigator who specializes in tracking down recalcitrant husbands who refuse to grant their wives a get. Jennifer shares her journey into this work and explains ORA's community-focused approach to addressing get refusal. Ezra offers insights from his fieldwork, describing some of the challenges and strategies involved in locating and pressuring these husbands to comply with religious and legal obligations. The episode encapsulates the importance of community response, the use of private investigators in protracted cases, and the critical role that social culture and public pressure play in resolving these deeply rooted issues. 00:00 Introduction and Announcements 01:50 Special Guests: Ezra Stone and Jennifer Lankin 02:12 Jennifer Lincoln's Journey and Insights 03:54 Ezra Stone: The Private Investigator 05:57 The Role of Private Investigators in Get Refusal Cases 10:19 Challenges in Tracking Down Recalcitrant Spouses 11:36 Case Study: The Search for Naftali Shabani 22:24 Unexpected Encounters and Travel Stories 22:56 Investigative Techniques and Challenges 23:08 The Case of the Recalcitrant Brother 26:59 Legal and Ethical Considerations 27:56 Creative PI Strategies 29:02 The Big Daddy of Get Refusers 36:56 Social Media and Influencers 39:38 Security Issues in the Jewish Community 44:16 Closing Remarks and Reflections www.instagram.com/oraagunot About our Guests: Ezra Stone is a licensed private investigator in both the USA and Israel, who specializes in sensitive cases within the Orthodox Jewish community. As a member of the community himself, he brings a deep understanding of its nuances, customs, and unspoken boundaries—insight that's critical when handling discreet investigations such as locating missing individuals, resolving Agunah cases, or uncovering hidden truths. Unlike many investigators who stand out in these insular environments, he blends in naturally, earning trust while gathering the facts. With a reputation for integrity, persistence, and cultural sensitivity, he takes on cases others can't touch. To get in touch: [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/protexia1 Protexia1.com Jennifer Lifshutz Lankin is the Interim CEO of ORA: The Organization for the Resolution of Agunot, a nonprofit dedicated to eliminating abuse from the Jewish divorce process. ORA provides advocacy and support for agunot worldwide while also working to prevent get-abuse through education and awareness initiatives. Jennifer has been with ORA for nine years, shaping its programs, advocacy, and leadership. She holds a B.A. from Yeshiva University and a Master's degree from Hebrew University in Jerusalem. She currently lives in Jerusalem with her family. Contact Franciska @ [email protected] www.JewishCoffeeHouse.com