Jonathan Karl saw the chaos, vengeance, and factional warfare bubbling within Donald Trump's political empire and reported it in his new book Tired of Winning, which is out today. Declan, who worked on research for the book, meets up with Jonathan to discuss the internecine drama, Bannon gossip, the dangers of 2024, and the process of reporting on Trump world.

Show Notes:

-Buy Tired of Winning on Amazon

-Karl's Dispod interview on Trump's Final Days

-Karl's Dispod interview on Front Row Seat

-"I Am Your Retribution" speech

-Trump as a wedding crasher

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