The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Conservative socialism?

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What will American politics look like after Trump? Sean Illing is joined by Sohrab Ahmari to discuss his new book, Tyranny, Inc. Ahmari is one of the conservative intellectuals trying to map out a post-Trump future for the Republican Party, and his book is an attempt to justify a form of democratic socialism from the right. The two discuss whether his vision could ever be the basis for a broader coalition.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Sohrab Ahmari (@SohrabAhmari), author, Tyranny, Inc.

References: 

  • Tyranny, Inc. by Sohrab Ahmari (Penguin Random House, 2023)
  • American Capitalism: The Concept of Countervailing Power by John Galbraith (Routledge, 1993)
  • Thus Spake Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche
  • “Social Democracy and Social Conservatism Aren’t Compatible” by Matt McManus (Jacobin, August 2023)


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