If you're asking yourself how you're going to do this, Brenda and Alex offer you some hope to know that you are not alone!

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Helpful resources on this topic are Anatomy of the Soul by Curt Thompson and his podcast called "Being Known".

Our theme music is by As Isaac. The featured song of this episode is "Praise To The Lord The Almighty" by As Isaac.

This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer Zachary Tate Smith, executive producer Meleah Smith, and generous donors.

Known Ministries is Alex Kocher and Brenda Payne. This season of Conversational Counseling is called "These Three Things."

If you’re suffering, it’s about suffering. If you’re sinning, it’s about suffering. And if we’re driving ourselves to clean up our act and get it right, we’re missing it.

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A helpful resource on this topic is Saint, Sufferers, and Sinners: Loving Others as God Loves Us by Mike Emlet.

Our theme music is by As Isaac. The featured song of this episode is “I Will” by Andy Gullahorn.

This podcast is made possible by engineer and producer Zachary Tate Smith, executive producer Meleah Smith, and generous donors.

Known Ministries is Alex Kocher and Brenda Payne. This season of Conversational Counseling is called "These Three Things."