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  • 101. Ian Kristofer – Unreached in Mozambique #2
    We continue our conversation with Ian Kristofer in Mozambique. In this episode we hear about what Ian has been learning as he sees movement take off around him in various unreached contexts of Mozambique. 
    Reaching the Shona
    “We disciple in everything”
    During the forming stage of seeing movement amongst the Shona people in central Mozambique, Ian shares how God refined him to make disciple that would make disciples. He encourages us to remember the ‘MAWL’ (Model, Assist, Watch and Leave) method to disciple people in any context and situation God has placed us.
    Through engaging with Vida (‘Life’), a local person of peace, Ian learned to share and obey Jesus whilst also helping this 18 year old discover how to do the same. From this young man, we hear of a movement being birthed through people discovering, encountering and sharing Jesus. 
    Engaging the Makua
    Ian tells us the story of being invited into a Makua village after moving to northern Mozambique. After sharing God’s word through a discovery process, Ian saw this initial group grow rapidly. However it suddenly diminished due to the men who had originally welcomed Ian into their community. 
    “The person of influence isn’t always good influence”
    Ian tells us how an initial person of peace is not always the person who is going to spread the gospel. Instead they might simply be the 'door opener’ into a community. However the harvest is ripe beyond this individual. 
    “Even though a person of peace is someone of influence who is willing to receive from you and share God’s word, they aren’t always the ones who will keep sharing or have good influence.” 
    Despite the drop off, after discipling the chief of a Makua village a number of DBS groups formed. Inside Makua leaders were even moved by God to start radically reaching out to the Yao people where movement has taken off.
    Movement amongst the Yao
    Ian shares with us the story of how he and his wife Carla saw a church birthed through discipling two Yao people of peace who each had encounters Jesus. We listen to Ian tell us how the gospel spread rapidly through these two people’s encounters with Jesus. Within two years, up to 1000 people had been baptised and 50 groups were multiplying down to a fifth generation in some cases. The challenge these days is to source enough audio bibles to keep up with the growth!
    “We can’t and shouldn’t control a movement - instead catalysing corporate prayer is key”
    Ian describes how he is catalysing prayer groups through a 4 week prayer rhythm. We hear how we meets for an hour, once a week with some of his key Yao inside leaders. Ian shows them how to pray in four ways - gratefully, transparently, prophetically and with harvest focused intercession. Then after four weeks he empowers someone else in the group to be the host for the next four weeks. This monthly prayer rhythm is allowing Ian to reluctantly yet slowly step away from the group as he seeks to ‘MAWL’, this time in prayer. 
    “We can’t and shouldn’t control a movement - instead quick delegation of leadership is key” 
    Ian shares how as movement catalysts, we need to be empowering those who are obeying God. These are those who are already operating as elders in these new churches. For example, he tells shares now God is currently speaking to Yao inside leaders about seeing healthier marriages in their own context. 
    Prayers and words of encouragement
    Amongst the background sounds of seeds falling on Ian’s roof, Ian finishes by praying for us the listener from the parable of the sower. Asking God to help us have the love, courage and obedience to walk through through all the four soils. 
    He shares a word for those of us in distant lands asking the question, “Father is this possible?”. In reply, Jesus’ words, “Greater works than mine you will do” (John 14:12) and “Tarry…until you have been clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49) are God’s response. 
    He encourages us to pray, “Father let us do the work that you are doing and say the things that you are saying today.” He asks God to push back the gates of hell in our midst and let multiplication come the way God sees it.
    A reminder of how to access Ian Kristoffer’s book, 'Making disciples and leading others to make them' here
    45 min
  • 100. Ian Kristofer – Movement in Mozambique #1
    Over the next two weeks, we'll hear from Ian Kristofer, missionary and author of the book ‘Making disciples and leading others to make them’*
    Ian’s story - from the US to Africa
    In this episode, Ian shares his story of growing up in the US. He comes to faith in Jesus through his father’s bible study and then has two radical encounters with God as a teenager. After meeting his wife Carla during college in the late 90s, his call to missions was confirmed from these encounters. Fifteen years later, after giving up the passion to play baseball and reaching the heights of a worship song writing ministry, God opened the door for the family to move to Africa in 2015. 
    Starting off in central Mozambique working with the Shona people, God slowly started to show Ian what ministry would look like whilst Carla worked in the medical field. Ian highlights the inward shifts God needed to do to from hearing the voice of man to hearing the voice of God. The fruit of this was seen in Ian and Carla creating a school for hearing God’s voice. 
    After relocating to a village in the north of Mozambique, God started to show Ian disciple making movement principles in the Gospels and Acts. It was at this time that Ian met 'Life', a local Muslim boy who had a miraculous encounter, and a movement was birthed. God’s heart and call to the Muslim people was also ignited in Ian.
    'Many are called but few are chosen' (Matt 22:14)
    Ian unpacks his own experience and understanding of the call of God into missions. He shares more of his own encounter and invitation to follow Jesus. Reflecting on two passages from Jesus’ prayer in John 17, Ian describes how even though everyone is called not everyone chooses to be chosen.
    “My prayer is not for [my disciples] alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message” (John 17:20). Ian reflects that those who the disciples would reach after the resurrection would also be called and have the same option to ‘get out of the boat’. 
    “I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do (John 17:4)”. He shares how this 'work' must be Jesus’ discipling of others over the past three years. So too are we invited to be ‘all in’ and invest ourselves in the discipling of others. We can be chosen. 
    The definite switch between called and chosen Ian depicts with a baseball metaphor. As an ex-baseball player, he and his teammates were all called to play baseball. But not everyone was going to bat a particular position in the lineup. This player was chosen by the coach with clear directions of how to play for the team from that position. Just like a player and coach, it is our choice to listen and obey Jesus. We choose to be chosen, making the core of who we are a place of intimacy and obedience to God. 
    Word of encouragement and prayer 
    Ian encourages and prays for those of us who are responding to being sent by God from Isaiah 6 and Luke 5:8-10. Just as Isaiah and Peter confessed how they were sinful men, Ian prays that we too would have the courage to speak the truth of who we think we are. As we do, God will then show us who we really are - those who become 'fishers of men'.  
    *Click here to download Ian’s book as an audio book via apple books
    32 min
  • 99. Behold I Will Do Something New – Dave Lawton
    We hear Dave’s latest sermon at Crossway Baptist Church in Melbourne. He draws from familiar themes and stories from those like Wilson and Roy Moran that we have heard recently in this podcast. Get ready to reproduce and multiply as a disciple maker.
    God doing a new thing - do we perceive it?
    Be inspired as you hear how God is doing a new thing (Isaiah 43:18-19; Mark 1:15). Dave describes how God’s kingdom is advancing today among the poor, prisoner, blind and oppressed (Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:18-19). It's happening in some of the darkest and hardest of places around the world. 
    Movements - a turning point in modern missions
    Dave reflects on a turning point in modern missions when he first heard of a few movements in some of the most unreached of places in the 90s. This ripple in the pond of global mission has now turned into a wave representing 1,965 movements, 114 million new disciples and 8 million new churches. And it will become what Dave sees as a tsunami in our day.
    “But it can’t happen here”
    Where movement is now happening, the term “it can’t happen here” was repeated again and again. But in places like North India that were once termed ‘the graveyards of mission’, movements have emerged and are exploding. We can also be tempted to think God can’t move in our context today. 
    Stories from Africa 
    Workers in North Africa once echoed the same phrase in the 2000s - “It can happen in India but it can’t happen here”. After capturing some key movement principles* from India, these same people persevered and finally discovered one Somalian person of peace in their sixteenth year of work. 40 people were baptised that year and as a result the first church was born. Today, fifteen years later, we now see over 20,000 churches emerging in Somalia. Over 30 generations deep.
    Dave shares Wilson’s movement story again. One that saw 11 disciples from the dark and broken places of Kampala, Uganda multiply to 5680 churches. 
    *Some of the principles these African workers learned from movements in places like India include:
    Prayer
    Disciple making
    Involving everyone from day one in the movement of God
    People of peace
    Discovery bible studies
    Multiplication (God’s idea from the very beginning - Genesis 1:26-28; also see Habakkuk 2:14)
    Why not Australia? 
    Wilson says to us in Australia, 
    “Its easy. Simply obey Jesus. Anyone can do that.” 
    We can either join the “it can’t happen here” brigade or activate our faith and become disciples that multiply and make other disciples.
    Fulfilling the Great Commission by having spiritual grandchildren 
    Dave shares one last moving story of one of his own disciples from India showing him photos of his ‘spiritual grandchildren’. This included a picture of a Nepalese ex-prostitute who encountered Jesus and is now the leader of a church in the slums of Mumbai helping those around her disciple others who disciple others. Dave says to us,
    “If she can do that, you and I can do that”.
    Movements are filled with ordinary people who have learnt Jesus’ secret of making disciples. They have at their core the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20). Dave highlights how this is a universal call to all of us as the church since the command finishes with Jesus saying, “And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age”. So this includes us today. Dave urges us saying,
    "We can’t just sit in the pews, or 4 million people would go to hell."
    Just as we are made to have families in the natural, so are we called to have spiritual children and grandchildren. Dave asks us, 
    “Have we wrestled in the same way with scriptural bareness as we do with natural bareness?”
    God’s song for the church in the West
    Dave finishes by encouraging us with a prophetic word - God’s song for the church in the west: 
    “Sing, O barren one, who did not bear;
    break forth into singing and cry aloud,
    you who have not been in labor!
    For the children of the desolate one will be more
    than the children of her who is married.
    Enlarge the place of your tent,
    and let the curtains of your habitations be stretched out;
    do not hold back; lengthen your cords
    and strengthen your stakes. 
    For you will spread abroad to the right and to the left,
    and your offspring will possess the nations
    and will people the desolate cities.”
    (Isaiah 54:1-3)
    37 min
  • 98. Megachurch to multiplication #2
    This is part 2 of our two part series with Chris Galanos. 
    People of peace (in a western context)
    Chris shares how he came to realise the significance of the person of peace by sharing a powerful story from an access ministry his father was part of in a local US gaol. 
    Engaging with 'PIPSY' people
    Chris encourages us to join God where he is already working. Jesus tells us when we help those in need, we help him (Matthew 25:31-46). Chris sums up those in need in this passage in four groups: 
    P - Poor (hungry or thirsty) 
    I - International (stranger)
    P - Prisoner 
    S - Sick 
    (Some have added Youth as the Y in this 'PIPSY' people acronym)
    Chris shares how he has found these groups of people are often the most responsive to spiritual conversations. After all, Jesus’ call was to the poor (Luke 4:14-30). And so is ours. 
    Multiplication moving people away
    Chris shares how those in the network started to expand to people from other places. His started to offer his training online. He tells us how only a small percentage of those who do the training go on to become practitioners.
    However, fast forward to last August and Chris is now seeing:
    5000 leaders engaged in the work from around the US.
    1368 groups are running with several hundred in West Texas.
    Chris says how he started to realise how God's vision for the 1 million new disciples might be a lot broader than West Texas. He has seen this with 35 states of the US and 33 nations becoming involved.
    Today, Chris celebrates seeing 800 churches birthed around the world. More people are now part of the movement than were originally part of his mega church. 
    Chris describes how Jesus' Great Commission vision for all the nations was always meant to multiply out of our control. 
    Coaching and teams 
    Chris shares how ongoing coaching is vital. It gives accountability and motivation to get what he calls ‘base hits’ every single week. He often asks those he coaches this question:
    Out of the seven elements, which do you think is the most important?
    His answer is number 7 - ongoing coaching.
    "Without it, we probably won’t do the other 6 elements.” 
    Chris continues sharing the importance of having what he calls both 'coaching call' and local teams.
    The local teams are where people ‘raise the sails’ together.
    The broader teams are groups of likeminded people from around a country or region. This 'coaching call' group is an important team for people to belong to as they feel part of a wider vision. Iron sharpens iron in this teams. People learn from each other’s successes and challenges. 
    What is church?
    Chris illustrates how we have added a lot of extra-biblical definitions to what the bible calls ‘ekklesia’. He says how we need to remember two things about church.
    Church is not a building or place, it is a people.
    Church does not need any money. 
    Chris points to Paul's words to the Corinthian church (1 Corinthians 14). When a church gathers, no one person should dominate the meeting. Instead everyone participates as each person uses their gifts. Chris also refers to the example of the early church in Acts 4. He shows us how instead of leaving a Sunday gathering saying how great one person was during the service, the early church left with boldness. 
    Word of encouragement - two or three reaching 100,000!
    From what those like Justin Long (a researcher from ‘Beyond’) are seeing globally with movements,
    “A team (focusing on multiplication) of just two or three can reach 100,000”
    Chris finishes this series by speaking directly to us as the listeners,
    “Do you have another friend or family member who is on fire? One or two others who want to go 'all in' on multiplying disciples? If you do, God can use you. Could you believe for 100,000 people as a team? God can use you as you gather a team and raise the sails together."
    38 min
  • 97. Megachurch to multiplication #1
    Chris Galanos joins the conversation over the next two episodes. In this podcast, Chris starts by sharing the challenging journey of his successful Texan megachurch in the US switching to embrace a vision for multiplication. 
    From 10,000 to 1 million - compelled into multiplication by a God sized vision
    After reaching their ten year vision to reach 10,000 people in just eight years, Chris describes how God gave him and the church leadership a new God sized vision for the next ten years. After asking God what his vision would be for them, Chris tells us how God birthed a call for their church to reach the entire population (1 million people) of west Texas. 
    “The movement catalysts that God seems to use are people who are willing to receive a God sized impossible vision to see a whole people, ethne, language or nation reached.” 
    Multiplication - very different to addition
    “Addition brings people to you. Multiplication launches them out”
    Chris highlights the challenging shifts his megachurch needed to make as they leveraged everything they did to multiplying disciples during a three year transition period. The church had to be prepared to loose people at this time and many did leave. 
    Raising the sails for movement
    During this time, the church shifted towards multiplication by focusing on seven key elements of DMM or as Chris puts it, the “raising of seven sails”:
    Focus on God’s Word 
    Multiply Extraordinary Prayer 
    Go Out Among the Lost 
    See Groups Start 
    Cast Vision
    Train Believers 
    Ongoing Coaching 
    Not all smooth sailing - some of the challenges along the way...
    Coming and consuming to going and producing - changing a church is a massive challenge. 
    Not everybody will go with you - paying the cost of loosing close friends. 
    Being willing to go slow to go fast - it takes perseverance and hard work.
    Chris’ resources:
    Chris’ book - ‘Megachurch to multiplication’
    Check out Chris’ website - experiencelifenow.com
    Chris' WIGTake blog can be accessed via the website or here
    44 min
  • 96. Multipliers Mindset – Cynthia Anderson
    Today we hear from movement catalyser and author, Cynthia Anderson who joins the conversation to share about her book, ‘The Multipliers Mindset: Thinking Differently about Discipleship’. Be equipped as you listen to Cynthia share some of the paradigm shifts needed to release God’s movement based from her own story as a disciple making practitioner. 
    Cynthia carries a deep passion for the unreached which has seen her serve with YWAM for more than 30 years, along with her husband Todd in places like Nepal and India. We hear inspiring stories including how God first moved across an unreached valley region of Nepal. These days over 10% of this area is now reached with the gospel!
    The turning point
    However Cynthia tells us about the crossroads moment in her life where she was about to give up on God’s vision for multiplication. God led her and others through a process of repentance as she saturated herself in the Gospels and the book of Acts. Faith was once again put in her heart. 
    Cynthia says,
    “God loves to use ordinary and even broken people to bring his glory amongst the nations. God did it in the New Testament and he can do it again.” 
    This was one of several mindset shifts Cynthia needed to have to see God release movement through her.
    Shifting what we believe about God includes...
    Faith
    Cynthia describes how it is God’s desire to reach the people around us. We need to put our faith in His capacity not our efforts.
    Expand
    Cynthia tells us a great parable of the Nepali farmer that illustrates the need for us to have a God sized vision as we pray. She says,
    “Don’t ask God for school books when God can give a ‘Tata’ truck…God wants to do more through us that we can imagine.
    Shifting what we believe about others can include...
    Baptism
    Baptism "by all and for all" represents the theology of the priesthood of all believers. Cynthia describes how this is a New Testament concept comparable to the caste systems of Asia. She shares how important it is to give people a sense of ownership to baptise and therefore to also disciple and train others. 
    Women
    We hear Cynthia refer to ‘Uncle Victor’ (a familiar movement leader in India to many of us listening) and his comments on women in leadership. 
    “Not empowering women, is stupidity at the highest level”
    “Its easier to convince an Imam to come to faith than to convince some traditional pastors to allow women to do the work of ministry”
    She refers to her journey as a woman with an apostolic calling and hopes the biblical foundation she writes about in her book will also set other women free to also be confident in their gifting and calling. Besides, as Uncle Victor says: 
    “Not empowering women is not only unbiblical, it also just doesn’t make sense since half of your workforce is lost.”
    A God sized vision of her own
    These days Cynthia specialises in training leaders to catalyse Jesus movements. Through not only her book but also her podcast, ‘Dare to Multiply’, Online Courses and other resources, she is aiming to see at least 50 new movements birthed by 2025. 
    She tells us that there are 17 mindset shifts mentioned in her book. But Cynthia hopes everyone who reads it can make a shift in a couple of key areas (at least to start with!). She believes these paradigm shifts will make a difference in seeing fruitfulness as we get unstuck by responding to the Spirit’s activity in our lives.
    Pain and passion
    Cynthia shares a final encouragement to not only remain faithful in what we are doing but to also be open to change. She finishes by saying how two things can help us change. One is pain and the other is passion. 
    “If you feel pain of not seeing fruit, let God turn that into an openness to change…Let the pain turn into the passion of God!"
    You can also check out Cynthia's 'Multipliers Mindset Assessment Quiz' here
    48 min
  • 95. All Nations with Mary Ho
    In this episode, we hear from Mary Ho, the leader of All Nations which has a special place in our hearts as Praxeis. Many of us know All Nations from Floyd McClung’s visits* to us in the late 2000s. Floyd poured into us and set us up to run the race of making disciples. 
    Listen to Mary share her story and the good things God is doing with All Nations...
    Mary's story
    Born in Taiwan, Mary grew up in the nations with her father serving as a diplomat. As a 17 year old international university student in the US, she describes her life as falling apart. Whilst suffering from severe depression and bulimia, Mary describes how she gave her life to Jesus through the witness of what she calls some “obnoxious Christian students”! Jesus pursued Mary by healing her from her illnesses. From this encounter, Mary would carry a vision of Jesus as the hope of the nations.
    As she started working for World Vision, Mary started to realise she had to be about serving the nations. It would be years later when God told her how she had been created “in the nations, for the nations”. It was Floyd who called out the leadership gift in Mary as a young mother. She and her husband soon became involved with All Nations. 
    All Nations
    After serving as the international director of YWAM, Mary tells us how Floyd started All Nations so that disciple making movements could happen amongst unreached peoples and places. Thirty years later, All Nations is now in 45 countries, forming multiplying hubs of disciple makers. 
    Mary says that the centre of gravity of the global church has now shifted to the Global South: 
    “We are living in a time where God is mobilising from everywhere to everywhere. This was always God’s original intent.” 
    She then challenges us to change the way we have often done missions:
    “We really should be proclaiming the gospel in a way that people are not only recipients but also 'goers' of the gospel.” 
    Training and sending hubs:
    Mary has a passion to do what she calls ‘polycentric’ sending, where people are sent not only from western nations like the US, but from different training and sending hubs around the world. We have already heard in this podcast of Wilson, one example of an All Nations hub leader, who started a movement in Uganda that has spread into the nations. 
    Diaspora peoples:
    One of the focuses God spoke to All Nations after the Syrian civil war was the Muslim diaspora. Mary describes how there has been great fruit as God reveals himself through dreams and visions to these Muslim people. There are stories of Muslim refugees sharing and baptising people back in their homelands. Places where it has often been difficult to send people into. 
    Mary also highlights the strategic opportunity we have in our receiving, western (and now post-Christian) nations through both these refugee and also our international student communities. She herself came to faith as an international student in the US and is now influencing the nations. 
    Making the Gospel accessible to all:
    Mary shares how DMM empowers the ordinary person to be a disciple maker. Since most of the world’s cultures are oral, she emphasises the need to use simple and reproducible way to share the gospel. Giving examples of how All Nations trains and shares with people in places like Africa and Tibet, Mary says, 
    “What’s important is not just what we do but how we do it” 
    Mary's word of encouragement (from 1 Corinthians 16:8-9)
    “The Lord honours those of us who have chosen to stay on in our Ephesus as He opens wide a door for effective work. He knows the daily oppositions that we encounter. He knows how hard it is and honours [those of us] who have chosen to stay and labour. He sees our trials and will come through for each and every one. There is victory and comfort in Christ.”
    *Start to listen here to Floyd sharing with us back in the 2000s
    37 min
  • 94. Nairobi Gathering #8 – Wilson’s Story Pt. 2
    In this second podcast with Wilson from Uganda, we hear of how the beginning of Wilson’s story ended up birthing not only a movement in Uganda but multiplying movements. 
    Watch part 1 and 2 of this interview with Wilson here:
    https://vimeo.com/852884075/0a973688f8?share=copy
    “Discipleship is not talking but modelling”
    We hear of Wilson's personal suffering through beatings, robbery and strangulation as Wilson gave up everything as a successful banker to, as he says, “hang out with bad guys”. 
    What God is doing
    There is now daily baptisms and over 5829 discipleship groups (up to eleven generations amongst several streams) that have multiplied from the initial group of disciples Wilson poured into. 
    Movements have also multiplied into remote and previously unreached people groups of Uganda and other nations. Wilson is also beginning to mobilise teams into places like Germany in the western world. 
    Principles of movements
    The things of Jesus are so simple. Whatever we do needs to be reproducible. 
    Learn to be patient. Go slow to go fast.
    People of peace must be identified. These people will create space, time and open their network for you. 
    Listen to God through prayer. Jesus instructed his disciples (in Luke 10:2-3) to pray as they go. Those who are going are the same who are praying. 
    Know where God is sending you and speak their language (know their culture). Don’t bring church language. 
    Our cities are key to reach many peoples. 
    Anyone can participate (for example, baptise)
    Let God be in control
    Wilson says, 
    “I see the future as being movements. Without movements, the world is going to be lost. This is because the church (as we know it) cannot grow at the same rate as the population.
    We need partnerships to fulfil the Great Commission. One person cannot finish the task.
    Jesus is looking for every nation, tribe and people to be represented in heaven. There are still tribes and people who are not represented before the throne. We need to see them be part of God movements which are simple, effective and reproducible.”
    32 min
  • 93. Nairobi Gathering #7 – Wilson’s Story Pt. 1
    Over the next two episodes, you will hear Wilson’s story. It's sure to inspire and challenge you!
    Click on this video to see Wilson's interview (or listen via the podcast):
    https://vimeo.com/852884075/0a973688f8?share=copy
    Wilson works with ‘All Nations’ in Uganda. All Nations helped birth us as Praxeis through Floyd McClung’s multiple visits over a decade ago.
    Growing up in Uganda, Wilson's story begins with him finding himself caring and providing for his 22 other siblings as a young teenager after his father's death.
    After discovering Jesus as a newspaper seller on the streets of Kampala, he developed a new business idea that multiplied sales. The company took note and asked Wilson to work for them at a higher level. He was soon climbing the corporate ladder. As Wilson started to pray for his city, God asked him to leave the bank he was managing, a dream he had since childhood.
    Wilson obeyed God but no idea how to see his city transformed. He started to walk the streets again, meeting people from the ghettos. Connecting with a group of drug dealers through a man called ‘Ghost’, Wilson learnt from these men how to re-engage with people on the streets.  
    Initially starting with a core group of drug dealers, Wilson began to share about Jesus. He then learnt about disciple making, joining All Nations' training in South Africa. Returning to Uganda, Wilson was eager to start Discovery Bible Studies through this core group. 
    We hear of the multiple generations of disciples from the first person of peace in the group, ‘Ghost’. Discovery Groups were soon multiplying down several generations amongst the drug dealers and prostitutes across the ghettos. 
    Wilson finishes this first of two episodes sharing,
    “Down the road (of these generations of disciples), we’ve seen God work in simple ways, transforming lives”
    24 min
  • 92. Nairobi Gathering #6 – Aila’s Story
    Dr Aila Tasse first received Jesus’ forgiveness as a teenager and is now catalysing movements across Africa. He has seen 42 movements* birthed across east Africa with over 18,000 churches being planted.
    In this podcast, Aila shares his story and shares some of the keys to seeing movement happen. He finishes by encouraging us in the West to humbly pray and intentionally obey God to see him move in our context. 
    Aila’s journey 
    During Aila’s Muslim upbringing in Kenya, he started to ask "who is Allah?". He was challenged about the message of Jesus from a Christian teacher whilst Aila was dying of yellow fever and cerebral malaria. Aila soon asked Jesus to forgive his sins.
    After being rejected by his Muslim family for his new faith, Aila had an encounter with God where he was asked, ‘Can cabbages grow in the dessert?’. God gave Aila a vision for 14 unreached people groups (UPGs) in Kenya. These were the cabbages God was going to grow. 
    Aila went back to the town where he had accepted Jesus as a teenager and started a church. Movement was birthed out of this with Aila pursuing God’s vision of doing the impossible amongst UPGs (cabbages in the dessert) ever since. Today, all 14 of these tribes of northern Kenya are now being engaged with indigenous leaders and movement being catalysed. 
    Aila’s vision soon expanded to include the remaining 26 UPGs across Kenya. These days, Aila catalyses teams engaging each of these tribal groups. The vision has now increased to the 320 UPGs across eastern and the horn of Africa. 157 of these groups are being engaged with 42 movements being birthed over the last three years.
    The keys of these movements
    Prayer - since movement is a work of God
    Using scriptures through a discovery process
    Multiplication comes out of obedience
    God uses ordinary people
    Coaching, not just training - no leaders, no movement
    People of peace respond to practical love
    But what about the West?
    A paradigm shift is needed to believe movement can happen
    Pride versus humility and hunger 
    Intentional obedience is the catalyst.
    Aila says, "Movement is God himself moving, using ordinary and obedient people like us"
    https://vimeo.com/860802524/469a5442b3
    * Aila defines a movement as one that consists of 100 churches down to at least 4 generations. The average movement in Aila's context is 10 generations deep.
    30 min

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