As further promising news emerges of vaccine effectiveness, although still with no data published, and as plans emerge for the return home of university students and limited festive winter celebrations.

But as we talked about in the last podcast, there needs to be a concerted effort to re-centre patients and the public within the decisions made about how the NHS will treat covid patients and those with continuing healthcare conditions impacted by the pandemic.

National Voices, a coalition of charities that stands for patient centred care, have been talking to patients about what matters to people during COVID-19 and beyond, and have written a report with some clear recommendations to health and care leaders and professionals.

In this podcast, Fiona Godlee, editor in chief of The BMJ, talks to Matt Morgan, a consultant in a intensive care medicine in Cardiff, and Helen Salisbury, GP in Oxfordshire, and Nisreen Alwan, associate professor in public health at the University of Southampton.

They are joined by Charlotte Augst, Chief Executive of national voices to talk about that report; why some patients have felt abandoned; how covid has accelerated the conversation about rationing; and why now is the time to rebuild services around patient needs.