In this special episode, we return to the forboding Dragon's Den of the Peterson-verse and enjoy a rather punchy conversation between Jordan Peterson and Richard Dawkins, facilitated by Alex O'Connor.

As always, the discussion is dense with abstract symbolic interpretations, evasive answers to direct questions about biblical events, and highly speculative claims. So Matt and Chris don their best decoding armour, steel their resolve, and prepare to face down endless waves of indulgent analogies and the constant conflation of mythological and scientific truths.

Important insights from Matt on American public toilets, shower technology, and stories of Chris' previous life as a coal-shovelling street urchin are also included.

Links

• Dawkins vs Peterson: Memes & Archetypes | Alex O’Connor Moderates | EP 491
• The Times: We Who Wrestle with God by Jordan Peterson review — rambling, hectoring and mad
• The Guardian: We Who Wrestle With God by Jordan Peterson review – a culture warrior out of his depth