This week I was lucky enough to be joined by Marcella Koopman and Bartwin van der Pols, from the organisational change consultancy Defiant to talk about their new book, Own It or Own Shit. 💩

We dive deep into the world of organisational change, where their book challenges traditional methods and emphasising the importance of genuine ownership and belief. Marcella and Bartwin highlight a three-pronged approach to successful change: belief, driver, and action. Our chat explores how individual belief systems can hinder or support change efforts and encourages all of us to assess their own belief levels and embrace ownership in all aspect of change

This episode is a must-listen for anyone involved in organisational change, leadership, or personal development and an overall great chat!

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/5OmiB9WmaIb

Get the free e-book here: ⁠www.getdefiant.org/book⁠ 🆓

Learn more about Defiant: ⁠https://getdefiant.org/⁠

Bartwin's Linkedin: ⁠https://nl.linkedin.com/in/bartdeswart⁠

Marcella's Linkedin: ⁠https://nz.linkedin.com/in/marcellakoopman⁠

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