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Luke Grant is joined by Dr Nicholas Gruen, Lateral Economics’ CEO & Index author and a thinker who doesn’t mind challenging the norms and we love that on this programme.

Most people would say those who occupy seats in our various parliaments and councils are not always seen as being in touch with us ordinary folk or even worse, not always putting our best interests first in their deliberations.

Today we should be seeking to balance representation by election with representation by sortation as occurs, in juries by random selection from the citizenry. I’ll elaborate more on this in a subsequent essay.

Luke and Mr Gruen discuss doing politics better with an old idea that may just have found relevance today.