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In this episode, our host discusses his changed perspective on the future of global governance, arguing that demographic collapse will inevitably lead to a shift toward monarchic and authoritarian regimes. He highlights the unsustainability of current democratic systems in the face of demographic crises and economic collapse. The episode explores various countries' timelines for potential social service collapse, the roles of AI and tech elites, and the possible political transitions and societal impacts. The conversation also touches upon the influence of social media and the looming possibility of walled garden city-states emerging as havens for the wealthy.

[00:00:00] Hello Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today my mind has dramatically changed on a topic that I used to have a pretty firm stance on, okay. Which is I did not believe that it was good for the world to head in the direction of Monarch or authoritarianism.

And I did not think that that was the direction the world was going to head. Now I am. Reassessing my beliefs around this in the face of the economic reality that demographic collapse will integrate. Mm. And I will be arguing in this episode that. Demographic collapse will both create authoritarian and, and monarchic systems, while at the same time making those systems governments with less overall suffering than the systems that insist on staying democracies.

And the this change, when I say insist on staying democracies. A lot of these places won't have a choice, so let's [00:01:00] sort of talk about how this happens. Okay. Before we go into the details. Yeah. And this episode will also serve if you wanna introduce people to the prenatal list movement. I'm gonna introduce a lot of the, the basic facts, again, with their more modern updates.

Okay. To help you understand just how unsustainable and how quickly the existing system is going to start collapsing. But the gist being is that within our lifetimes in many places around the world, we will be hitting scenarios. So by like 2060,

in South Korea, we will have a country where there are two elderly people for every worker. And we will start seeing situations like this more and more around the world as demographic collapse continues. And we're gonna, going over when various countries hit this. Did you, did you see the, the graph on x that REU shared, generated by chat, GPT, by the way, they can just generate beautiful graphs for you.

That demonstrated how, how many people were paying for how many retirees over time. Oh, no. And chose it. Now, as of. Maybe today, but maybe even [00:02:00] 2023. It's 2.4 workers are paying for each retiree. And that's America In the United States or in Korea? In America, yeah. So like that's, we're already in a really dangerous place.

Like, I don't like this because also keep in mind, social security isn't just for people who are retired, who've painted into the system all their lives. It also plays a role in supporting people who are on disability, people who are severely disabled. Like this is, it's just not, ah, well I don't think You mean social security specifically here.

You're talking about the various social safety nets. Like Medicare. Medicare, yeah. Yeah. But still like that's all. And, and, and so what ends up happening is as more and more people are reliant on the state and on systems like social security, this for our non-American listeners, about 50% of our listeners are non-American.

This in America is a system that pays for old people to survive. If they don't have savings, and even if they do have savings, like it's a set. Mm-hmm. You get in the United States, and a lot of countries have this after a certain age as that demographic becomes the majority of the voting base, they will [00:03:00] not make cuts to the systems that are paying out to them.

Hmm. Because they will have the voting power. Mm-hmm. And eventually that leads to economic collapse. Mm-hmm. That leads to a complete system collapse because you cannot pay for two elderly people on every one young person's salary. What happens if you try to do that? Because some countries will be trying to do this before other countries is young people will just leave your country.

And then what you do, well then you start putting in travel restrictions and become authoritarian like anyways. Right. But then you have the, the, secondary problem here which is you're like, okay, well then maybe they can try to get their fertility rate up. Maybe they'll wake up when this starts to happen, but it's already too late then because they'll already have, like, even if they start getting their fertility rate above replacement, then they'll already have like 20 years of, of having every person in the economy support two or three elderly people in the economy.

Which is just completely un economically viable. And so these countries will become [00:04:00] incredibly weak. They also won't be able to field militaries because they don't have a lot of young people. Whereas the countries that become monarchies or authoritarian or fascist in other ways, I. They will have a single strong man making decisions on behalf of the good of the country and the nation.

So they will be able to cut these systems. And maybe even in, in some cases, and I'm not promoting this, I'm just saying this is what some of them might do is create let's say Logan's run type things for unproductive citizens.

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Speaker: On productive folks, your time has passed. We'll turn you into fuel of fire. Just [00:05:00] get in line to become biodiesel. Oh, stop crying, you annoying weasel. As laid out by Curtis Yarvin. Handle the old or we'll all be stuck.

And this gets really scary because these countries will be significantly more economically healthy than their neighbors, and they will.

As such, not just be economically more healthy, but also militarily more healthy, be able to exercise their will on their neighbors. So if one of their neighbors tries to stay a democracy, with the nature of the democracy being that the majority population gets to do what they want, right? Like gets to steer the direction and the majority will be elderly.

They won't be able to resist the wills of the neighbors that have undergone the fascist conversion. So let's talk about how this conversion happens, because you might be like, well, why, why would this conversion happen? [00:06:00] Well, you have a few things here. First is and we a bit later will be going over using how the Weimar Republic transitioned into the Nazi state. As an example of how a country in deep economic shambles can have a youth-led movement, transition it to a fascist state which is typically when this happens. So as the economy begins to break down there will likely be rebellion.

I mean, how many old people are you willing to support? And then you've got the problem, which is the young people who would have an interest in participating in this rebellion are going to be the majority of the military, first of all. Hmm. But they're also going to be the population that would actually engage in rebellion.

Old people actually do not engage in rebellions or civil wars at a very high rate. And so it's basically in the bag. That the transition would go to the strong man. There are a few paths around this. Maybe AI could be a path around this. If AI somehow like. Creates endless prosperity [00:07:00] in a, a genuinely post scarcity society.

Then, then we avoid this. It's a possibility. But it's a, it's a very scary possibility to bet on when, as we've argued in the past when it seems like AI will actually do, is concentrate wealth among the ultra elite. Well, that doesn't mean that the ultra elite will not have some motivation to create daycare.

For poor people so that they don't make society unstable. Like it would be much better to put them all in pleasure pods where they're just living in VR heavens. If, if the alternative is for them to be out on the streets causing trouble and maybe damaging infrastructure they've paid for or damaging assets they've paid for and that is what we are seeing in our existing society to an extent happen naturally.

We saw this with Samba and Free's big UBI study that he tried to cover up. You can watch our video on this. But giving people a thousand dollars a month for three years at the end of the process, actually led to them having significantly less [00:08:00] net worth in earnings at the end of the pipeline. They didn't have more education, they didn't have more kids, they didn't spend more time.

So yes, I also feel like we kind of moved in that direction with the legalization of cannabis just to like. Yeah, it's like we all feel okay with how things are right now, but let's, let's get into timelines here. 'cause I think a lot of people, and we're gonna go over country by country may be surprised.

So I put in the, the two AI to grok. I was like, okay, when are we going to start seeing these countries, economic or social security systems begin to collapse? Oh, so starting with South Korea because a lot of people see this as like a far off problem. I know I literally do not have the constitution to run that search.

Okay. Like I should be running that search. I'm so terrified. South Korea currently has a fertility rate of 0.75. That means for every a hundred South Koreans there's only gonna be around five grandchildren. That's even if it doesn't continue to collapse. South Korea's working age population 15 to 64 is already shrinking by 1% annually.

Projected to drop from 36 [00:09:00] million in 2020 to 20 million by 2065 mm. Fewer workers means fewer caregivers and fewer taxpayers. Mm-hmm. Elder Surge, the elderly six. Five plus population is 18% of the population today expected to hit 40% by 2052. Wow. This drives demand for long-term care. So by 2040, the elderly to worker ratio could reach one one up from one five today.

And that. Is basically economically completely unsustainable. Mm-hmm. It says by the late 2030s, the elderly could exceed 30% of the population with a dependency ratio of 60 to 70% you're gonna have healthcare shortages that would overwhelm the system.

So you're looking 2030 in South Korea you, you could begin to see things break chili, which currently that's in, that's in . Six years. Yes, 2030s. In Chile you're looking at a TFR of 0.88 to 1.2. The current median age is 35. So they pointed out that by 2040 to 2045, elderly would exceed at 25% of the [00:10:00] population, meaning a dependency ratio of 40 to 50%.

So collapse risk early 2040s. Chili's healthcare system may get to break down and keep in mind that a lot of these Latin American countries have the additional problem that we are siphoning their population. If people are like, why is it so bad to be taking their most productive citizens in these countries?

This is why it's so bad because then these countries are double hit by paying for the young, which are parasitic and the ultra old that are parasitic to a country. Mm-hmm. Uruguay. TFR 1.27 to 1.3. It's looking at beginning to break down late 2040s to early 2050s, Costa Rica, 1.3 to 1.5. This is again, by, by AI guesses.

It's looking at it beginning to break down by 2055 to 2060. Cuba, 1.3 to 1.5. And, and actually with Costa Rica, their native born fertility rate is probably already under one. So within Cuba we're looking at 2035 to 2040 Columbia, which has A-T-T-F-R of only 1.2, one to 1.7. [00:11:00] It's probably gonna begin to break down 2050 to 2055.

Mm-hmm. Argentina. 1.25 to 1.5. It's gonna begin to break down in 2045 to 2050. And here, I'd remind you that the UN every year has been lying about these countries projected fertility rates. I'm putting a graph on screen here, which shows the UN projecting these fertility rates and then the lines you see that don't look bad.

And then the red line is their actual fertility rates. The global powers that be, have a motivation to hide this from you because they are the powers that be. And if the existing social order isn't working, if we need to make significant changes to our economic and political systems, the people with the most vested interest to prevent that are the people who are benefiting from the system right now.

Well, in, in other words, there's absolutely zero incentive, especially for an elected official to. To look at anything but the short term, what will get them immediately elected, not just elected officials. We're talking about the journalist class here.

We're talking about Wall Street. Here. We're talking about investors. We're [00:12:00] talking about like basically anyone that isn't just like purely altruistic, motivated, is, is going to have a strong reason to not mention this and hide this. Or if they really like the existing world order, which is based around this progressive urban monoculture they're not gonna want to admit that this existing world order is not sustainable.

Hmm. Now, okay, you can be like, well, those are Latin American countries. They don't care about Latin America. Let's look at Italy. You're dealing with a TFR of 1.2 to 1.3. Now so Italy, we're looking at a collapse state of 2045 to 2050 at their current TFR with, with existing projections. Spain their current TFR is 1.2 to 1.3. We're looking at a collapse time from 2050 to 2055. And, and note here, I'm not necessarily talking about a government collapse here.

I'm talking about a collapse of their social service system. That could look like a lot of things. But we're talking about some form of crisis where either they basically make a choice to cut off tons of people. Those people are just being cared for by ai. [00:13:00] Or something Germany which is currently at 1.4 to 1.5 we're looking at a collapsed timeline of 2060 to 2070.

With Japan. So if we go East Asia, we've got Japan, which is 1.2 to 1.3. Keep in mind how low these numbers are. They're basically haling every generation they're looking at 2040 to 2045, Taiwan, 0.9 to one. They're looking at 2050 to 2055 and China 1.1 to 1.2, they're looking at 2045 to 2050. Although I, I personally think China is faster because I think they're lying about a lot of their, their oh one and one, I think they don't even know.

They don't know how bad it is. Yeah. So that, and, and you could say, well, China is already authoritarian. Shouldn't they be able to fix this? And the problem is, is that the authoritarian faction that controls China right now is aligned with the elderly. Kleptocrats, I guess is what I'd call them the kleptocratic class which is this older CCP class which is just living off of the few young people and it's why young people like aren't having kids anymore.

What you [00:14:00] need for this to work is something like a. Trump monarchy where you have a lot of young people who are traditionalists and very excited about that culture. Very excited about who the Monarch is or who the ruling family is. Or even better, like a JD Vance monarchy or even better within the US an Elon monarchy.

A lot of young people would be very excited about that. You cannot have some stodgy old fissure like Xi Jinping who represents everything that has created this situation. Yeah. So in areas that are already fascist, either they're gonna crack down a lot and somehow save their country by basically forcing them into a form of, I guess you could call it almost slavery, to the fascist IE forcing their forcible impregnation, et cetera.

Mm-hmm. Is what we'll see if they're gonna fix their situation. Because I mean, the, the people in China aren't gonna choose to have kids just to support this class in the United States when people are like, oh, having more kids just gives you more workers. I mean, that's factually not true. Like Elon Musk is [00:15:00] gonna have AI working for him, he's gonna be fine no matter what.

He also doesn't even really want workers, like of the people he hires, that is only the most exceptional few people, you know, he's never going to have a shortage, but he also wouldn't hire normal people anyway. He doesn't need more humans. Yeah, so Elon Musk is not a situation here, but, but who does suffer is Xi Jinping.

So when Elon Musk goes out there, or when we go out there, we don't really personally benefit from you having lots of kids. Like it's, this is not, so we have people to work for us. Xi Jingping and the CCP does. This is literally the slave owner telling the slaves to have more kids so that they can keep their existing system running so that they can sell them.

You know? It is, it is a different motivation and it has a very different ring to it, especially when China's situation could be said to be in large part created by Xi Jinping's low. And slow to act policies. He's completely culpable. Come on. Yes. And so I think the governments that do this and do this successfully are gonna be the ones that are able to say, [00:16:00] we are new.

We're like you, we were always promoting you. Mm-hmm. Which is gonna mean the democratic the, the prenatal movement is going to have a natural place in these regimes as they begin to form. Or what you're going to see happen is people move to charter cities, which are sort of like independent roped off governments and just drain countries of their wealth super quickly.

And then wealthy country, well formerly wealthy countries rotting really quickly. And you may just not see an interest in the powerhouses of the world in engaging with these collapsing economies because there's nothing to be gained. For example, does America you know, one of my friends in Europe former friend, I guess still friend from the Stanford Business School, he is like, well, why isn't America investing in these relationships with Europe right now?

Mm-hmm. You know, you guys are turning your back. And I'm like, these relationships don't matter. Like you guys, like literally will not matter in a few decades. Economically speaking. That is the problem. Like investing in it is like investing a friend who's starting to get addicted to meth and you're like, well.

I mean, yeah. Yeah. It, no, it literally, [00:17:00] what's gonna be left in the future, you know, what, what future do we have together? There is no future. You will not exist as I know you very soon. It's just Don. Yeah. And we've been helping you for a long time. Protecting you for a long time. Why should we continue to do this when you've got meth?

Meth? It's not, yeah. And then they're like, oh, but this other guy who's addicted to meth might attack me, like pointing at Russia. It's like, I don't, he's going down too.

But yeah, by the, this so dark. Oh, you're not afraid of nuclear war. And I'm like, no, I'm not particularly afraid of nuclear. Was Russia, if you could see our, their videos on this, there's a lot of reason to believe that none of their nukes work right now. These nukes were made before we were born and they couldn't even rotate their tires.

I am certain they couldn't keep their, their nukes nukes in good working order. But anyway, an entirely different country at this time having been trafficked without anyone's knowledge. Who knows? Yes. And somebody's like, oh, you, you can't meet that. Look, you had a a period of like 50 years. I'm not talking about like, and all you needed was one person [00:18:00] over that entire 50 years finding a way to profit from dismantling me.

I'm pretty sure 50 years is a long effing time. And keep in mind that people often had an active disincentive to report this even if they found it. I'd love to see like a version of Oceans 11, about the Russian kleptocracy. That would be fun. I. You son of a b***h I'm in. And even if news, even if was a known, was in the central Russian government that this had already happened, like suppose it did happen.

Oh yeah. But they would never admit that because then you'd lose your, they admit. Yeah. Yeah. So, so if you're, like, even if we assume we're in a timeline where like actually Putin has done audits and he has figured out that they don't work, would you, would you know, 90 of course, 98% of the benefit of. Nukes is this con like this, this threat of mutually assured destruction and, and what you could do it, it's almost nicer if you know that you don't have the nukes.

'cause then at least you don't have to pay as much for their maintenance. You can just do like a, a token. Amount to make people think you're maintaining it [00:19:00] and you can save a lot of money. Yeah. Honestly, like this is one of those things, you know how I am with clutter. I kind of wish that like we just didn't have a lot of the stuff that we had and it's just kind of like, oh, isn't nice.

We don't have to like pay for the storage unit or like do it this and like maybe he feels that way about his nuclear arsenals. Yeah. Well, and this is what I'd say, I say, it's suspicious that they haven't done any nuclear tests in a long time. Oh. Like if they worked, presumably they would do the test to show us that they still worked, and you could say, yeah, well, we have treaties with them, but the treaties don't stop them from invading their neighbors.

They certainly wouldn't stop them from testing nukes just to show the world that they still work

Sorry, I just realized that the audience may be misunderstanding when I say it's been a while since Russia has done a nuclear test. Russia has not done a nuclear test since the year 1990. It's been 35 years since they've done a nuclear test. Most of the people listening to this weren't even born during the last Russian nuclear test in a post-Soviet era.

They [00:20:00] haven't had. One. And keep in mind that dismantling or selling critical parts of nuclear bombs is quite different from an ethical perspective than the other people who were taking parts of the planes or taking parts of the car or siphoning gas from things, and that it would even be potentially ethical and patriotic to do because nobody really wants a global nuclear war.

Uh, a person could tell themselves when they're doing it, oh, well, I'm helping save lives. It potentially even my own countrymen. So, , I just find it almost implausible that their nuclear arsenal still works because if it still worked and if Putin knew it still worked, he would test it to show us it still works.

well. This post collapse world, a really good dark service business would be. To and to, without actually going through the entire process of getting nukes. Help a country signal that they're getting nukes and like have nuclear tests, you [00:21:00] know, the way that North Korea does.

And just like charge them for that. Israel real, we'll work this out. Yes. No. Israel is a country worth investing in. This is one of the reasons why I'm like, yeah, invest. Well, yes, they're techno, they're, they're, they're maintaining their population 100%. I want to go into ai. So I put this scenario in AI and I'm like, okay, help me think through how this would play out.

Mm-hmm. So eroding democratic legitimacy as systems become financially unsustainable, younger generations may increasingly view democratic decisions as illegitimate. If they perceive them as serving only elderly interests. This legitimately crisis could weaken democratic norms. Yeah. Immigration tensions, accelerating polarization.

Countries might need massive immigration to sustain their economies, but this could trigger cultural backlash, particularly amongst elderly voters. Fearing change. Yeah. This creates a catch 22 where fixing the demographic problem causes social instability. Hmm. Military recruitment challenges. Democracies may struggle to maintain military strengths with fewer young people, making them vulnerable to more authoritarian neighbors who are can compel [00:22:00] service.

Or dedicate greater portions of smaller populations to defense Hmm. Or offense. Digital surveillance advantage. Authoritarian systems might better leverage technology to maintain productivity with fewer workers through greater surveillance and control, creating economic advantages over privacy concerned democracies.

Hmm. And, and this is huge, like the ability to project power is so much larger now for a smaller group. And keep in mind the revolution may not be. The young, it may be the rich. The rich may be the group with lots of power if they have automated drone swarms and stuff like that. We'll release a video soon on how automated drone swarms are in the United States.

With this replicator initiative is already focusing on like ships that can build their own drones, which. Function entirely autonomously. Mm-hmm. And that is the future of warfare. The question is, is who's gonna be wheeling that? What countries are gonna be wielding that in any country that doesn't wield, that will basically be at complete whim [00:23:00] of a country who does?

Mm-hmm. So let's put it this way, if the United States makes this transition before other countries, and we do get like a JD Vance monarchy, let's say, in a few election cycles, and he wants Greenland and Europe does not have autonomous drone swarms. He gets Greenland. Like there's nothing a conventional fighting force can do against an autonomous drone swarm.

Mm-hmm. And the United States is supposed to have its first iteration of this project done next year, 2026. So you know. Keep that in mind. So the AI said, okay, so how does this play out? It says, you get an asset price collapse spiral. As elderly populations sell assets to fund retirement with fewer young buyers, assets, values could collapse.

Creating both economic crisis and eliminating the wealth older voters hope to protect. So basically all of the savings that people think they have because it's been stored in assets. It disappears all at once when they all try to sell it at once. AI governments augmentation. AI systems might increasingly augment [00:24:00] democratic processes, subtly shifting powers from voters to technocrats who designed and interpret the systems.

Hmm. You see a lot of automatic voting systems. Military coups in Democrat we'll skip that one. Military coups in democratic systems, professional military classes might view themselves as guardians of national interests against unsustainable democratic demands. Corporate governance, filling voids, multinational corporations might effectively become government structures in regions where traditional government systems become unsustainable.

Now if we're looking at the y Mar Republic as a parallel here economic crisis has catalyst the Great Depression, devastated Germany's already fragile economy, creating mass unemployment and financial insecurity. Similarly, demographic collapse could trigger a fiscal crisis when pension in healthcare systems become mathematically unstable.

Mm-hmm. Democratic delegitimization. Why Mers Democratic institutions were blamed for the economic suffering? In a demographic. Well, basically you, you, you could see the parallels there, a generational division. There was a generational element [00:25:00] to Nazi support. Many younger Germans felt their future had been sacrificed In our scenario, younger generations might similarly resent democratic decisions perceived as serving elderly interests.

Institutional lysis, the Y mar government became increasingly ineffective through coalitional deadlocks, similarly, demographically challenged governments de. Democracies might experience gridlock between parties representing elderly voters, demanding benefit preservation, and representing working age taxpayers.

Wow. And we're already seeing a shift in young people, particularly young males across the world, towards. I'd say more comfort with authoritarian governing systems. Me? Yeah. So if you look at something like South Korea where you're seeing this, this split between the women who are largely aligning themselves with the urban monoculture and the existing bureaucracy and the men who are aligning themselves with trying to find some new system that works, which is largely what in the United States, the new right is about, it's not aligned with.

Small government in a traditional [00:26:00] context that's aligned with cutting out bureaucracy. It, it really, you're right, if it's defined by two things, it's we. One, do not like the urban monoculture imposing its value system on us. Mm-hmm. Or anyone imposing its value system on us. Mm-hmm. And then secondarily, it's motivated by the idea that we want an economic system that actually functions.

We don't care if this economic system is pro Right. In a traditional context, are pro left in a traditional context. Like if they could find, if the new right could find a way to make socialized healthcare cheaper than the existing system, they would. We've seen this with Trump's American Academy. His solution to the university crisis is to socialize America's university system.

That is the most non-right winging thing. One of JD Vance's thing was raising the minimum wage. This is not, and, and calling this populism, I think is also untrue because Doge isn't exactly populist. It's more just trying to build systems that actually work given the data we have. And that might extend to governing systems where you [00:27:00] increasingly see people on the right.

You know, we had the aristocratic utensil on recently who's just a straight up monarchist. We've had Curtis Yorman on who's just a straight up monarchist. These people are already invited in you know, mainstream right wing circles. Mm-hmm. And so the idea that the right would say, and Trump's already said, like recently, I'm okay with exploring a third term.

Yeah. Yeah. If there's no term limits and with the demographic shifts that are gonna have after 2030, which make it very hard, we'll do an episode on this for Democrats to win in any sort of fair election at post the year 2030. Mm-hmm. Especially when you look at the existing direction of many voting blocks that they really cared about.

This like the Hispanic voting block and stuff like that, that they were relying on. Yeah. There's basically no hope. Well for, for, for Democrats, so you might see in, in the most peaceful context is a short term peaceful transition. Or mostly peaceful transition. Maybe [00:28:00] I've often said, you know, if you look at the Roman Republic, we've been around about as long as the Roman Republic was a republic.

Mm-hmm. You know, a we might be facing the question of do we transition into an empire or do we fall. Within this generation. Hmm. And I think that America still has a lot of vitalism to it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And again, I'm not saying like, I'm just asking how do you make a democracy? And I'm like, genuinely, how do you make a democracy continue to work when the majority of the population is on social services?

I, yeah. Or, yeah. When, when, when the majority of the voters more importantly, are asking for things that. The majority of the bankrolls don't want, that's the problem. Well, and when the majority of the voters who are asking for the major, what the majority of the bankrollers don't want or will not stand mm-hmm.

When the bankrolls are also young pissed because they're in a state of economic collapse. And I think that what we're [00:29:00] increasingly seeing is if you look at the way our generation views, for example, the boomers. Mm-hmm. There is a level of, of like hatred for the ways that they have selfishly broken things.

Yeah. That I think we're going to increasingly see within younger generations. Yeah. When this collapse is happening. Everybody who yelled at Simone and I, all of the journalists, all the, you know, everyone like that, who was like, oh, you guys are evil. You guys are, no, you are the guys who created this inevitability, not us.

And young people. When they look at the way that you dismissed an obvious mathematical truth heading your direction, like a freight train I do not see them having a lot of sympathy. Hmm. When you're like, how could you just cut off all social security entirely? How could you just let people die?

They're gonna be like, how could you have put us in this situation? We warned them. Yeah, like, like we warned them. You, you, you, you have a tiger by the tail right [00:30:00] now. That tiger looks like it's getting angry. You probably wanna let go before it's like furious and foaming at the mouth and they're like, nah, tigers are always safe.

And I think it's because people can't imagine society transforming this much. Mm-hmm. It's like with the pandemic people. I couldn't imagine things getting that crazy. They got that crazy though, real fast. It feels like such a distant, bad dream that I really also can wrap my head around us, forgetting that the world can change so violently because I.

Where everyone in a position of power just lies to you. Yeah. Where they use social media platforms to ensure that you and people who tell the truth are silenced and lose their jobs and everything like that, like mm-hmm. Their ability to attempt to clamp down on power is strong. Yeah. And we will see some countries where the bad guys clamp down on power, and we will see some countries where, I mean, unfortunately in this, the good guys are the ones who will want to make political changes.

And, and, and this is [00:31:00] just axiomatic because you need political change. To make the system sustainable because the current system is just mathematically not sustainable. Yeah. Oh, so what are your thoughts? I, I mean, I still think that a, I'm not really a monarchist. I'm a as, as they say, techno feudalist where I really see this system as descending and detective feudalism.

Again, not because it's the best system, but because it's what's inevitable at this point. Yeah, I, I agree with you. I understand what you're saying about monarchies, kind of outcompeting, but I just also think that it's going to be such a mess that. There won't be sufficient incentives to try to pick up what's left behind.

Like people won't, the, the wealthy people who'd be able to like bankroll or try to influence a takeover. Mm-hmm. And creation of a mo a, a monarchy would not want that hot mess to deal with. They don't want the people they. Don't necessarily need the land. In a [00:32:00] post di world, I think that they, the people with means will be much more interested in establishing walled gardens and city states, and they can kind of do it wherever they want, depending on their defensive capabilities.

Because, well, autonomous drones are, yeah, who, whose army, whose successful functional government is going to stop them. From building their walled city, wherever they wanna build it. And then keep in mind, the demographic collapse is hitting Latin America much harder than like the United States. So like the United States before it enters a state of collapse might get us autonomous drone ships and everything like that up and running.

That's probably enough to keep the United States safe. But Latin American countries, any rich person could just go in and, and as this happens, the United States is going to start carrying less and less what's happening in other countries. If you're like, oh, the US would use this army to prevent that, why would it, it has no economic interest in doing that, and it probably economically benefits more from staying on the good side of these few wealthy people.

And on top of all that, if any country in the world right now, just [00:33:00] like. Feeling political wins has a right wing party that is open to becoming a monarchy. Mm-hmm. I'd say the United States falls into that bucket pretty strongly. I, I would imagine it going in that direction in the same way that it still has a higher fertility rate than it still before European countries go in that direction, for example.

Or before even Latin American countries, which are more likely to go the dictatorship pathway. Yeah. And keep in mind, Simone's ancestor was the one who originally turned down. For people who don't know, she's the descendant of George Washington's siblings. And he didn't have any kids himself. So she'd be the closest relative if he had taken the crown or in, in the line of closest relatives.

So wouldn't that be, oh, if you're not American, you may not know this. He was famously offered to become Monarch and he turned it down. He didn't wanna become Monarch. Yeah. People Amer early Americans were. They were not completely sold on what they set up. So does that mean we might, we might have been signaling something, naming our, our first kid, Octavian [00:34:00] was the, was the, was the blood right.

To claim the, the monarchy. I'm, I'm, I'm of course joking, his middle name is George. Just point. Yeah. It's gonna, it's gonna be the technocrats who really have all the power in this. Yeah, 100%. And, and what's gonna happen, which you pointed out, is gonna be a transition of our understanding of economic systems.

Where it used to be that anything that, you know, was fungible and had a fixed value. Like we knew how much of it existed was the course or value, whether that was like gold or Bitcoin or land. But that was only the case because the number of producers and consumers was growing exponentially. We're gonna be transitioning and, and, and so like.

Taking land mattered in a historic, because land was like a fixed thing. Mm-hmm. As we enter like true demographic collapse what the wealthy tech barons are going to realize really quickly is that the vast majority of humans just don't really matter to their little tech empires. Neither does land, as you pointed out.

What they really care about are the. Productive individuals. IE these, these taxpayers, like as taxpayers become a rarer commodity taxpayers [00:35:00] matter more. And if you look at the US tax base, a huge chunk of the taxes come from like the top few percent of taxpayers. Mm-hmm. And as what the wealth gap increases, that's going to increase, which is why the tech barons will have a reason to basically scoop those people up, woo, those people to their little micro empires.

And this is why in the video game world that we're making right now, it's gonna be an AI video game world that I'm really excited, I'm having a lot of fun building. It's, it's sort of populated by something that we call havens, which are these small sort of territories, utopian city states that these tech barons create.

Mm-hmm. And it's also why, you know, you as a, as a, a, a person in the world, like when I look at like what the prenatal list movement is for me it's also making sure that my kids are associating with these people's, kids with these communities. When I think about like what it really means to set my kids up to be safe in the future, it's not setting them up for a job, it's setting them up to impress these specific communities, which [00:36:00] are gonna have a disproportionate amount of power in the future.

Mm-hmm. And if you're like, oh, like a classic person watching this, oh, what if fertility rates plateau, you know, are, are bottom out? And it's like, it hasn't happened in South Korea. It hasn't happened anywhere in the world where this has been a problem. Not once has a country sustainably reversed its fertility collapse, except maybe the case of Kazakhstan.

But that doesn't really count because they were basically undergoing sort of a, a genocide instigated by the Russians before this, and now they're. That's, it's not a good example. People will say Georgia got its fertility rate up for not even five years, and then it collapsed again. Like, no, no one has figured out how to stop this.

I. It, it, it hurts the productive populations more than the non-productive populations, or it decreases their, their populations faster. Because the more money you have, the fewer kids you're gonna have less, you're in this ultra wealthy, like over 500 k per year class in the United States which means competent people are gonna become a, you know, rarer and rarer commodity.

And it [00:37:00] also, all of the leading indicators say it's gonna get worse. Like if you look at rates of religiosity among gin alpha, yes, Christianity has begun to tick up. This year was the first year that didn't go down year over year. But you're still dealing with the leading indicators. And among Gen Alpha, there has been a, a, a much faster drop than there has been in previous generations.

Or not Gen Alpha, it was Gen Z, gen Z. And I assume it continued in Gen Gen alpha, but we don't have stats on that yet. And if we see people going back to religion, it's going to look very different. And the way that they go back to it is going to be like I think if we're talking about like, who's gonna be fighting these revolutions, it's gonna be Gen Alpha, right?

So Gen ZI think is gonna be the generation that's sort of seen as like the boomers. Because I think that they're gonna be uniquely low fertility. I think our generation's gonna be uniquely low fertility, and I think these two generations are gonna be Bain blamed as much or even more than the boomers.

Because what we're doing is in a way more selfish, given how much the writing is on the wall. I mean, the boomers thought that the Ponzi scheme that civilization had [00:38:00] set up could work forever, right? Like, we know it's not gonna work. And yet, you know, progressives are attacking people for saying, oh, you should have more kids.

They're like, oh, that must mean you're a Nazi. And I'm like, no, you are literally creating fascist inevitabilities by doing this. Yeah. And so the best we can do is lick tech barren boots. You know, you guys are greatest fresh build autonomy. Learn how to survive. Yes. Well, I learn how to build skills and, and, and cultures that are useful to them.

Mm-hmm. And that's also the way that like we deploy our family's capital and people are like, well, what can you invest in in a system like this? Invest in solutions. Because if you're out there trying to build the solutions, like our free school system should check out, it's like so much better than it used to be.

It's all like AI moderated and everything. The Collins Institute, police, police, try the platform. We're about to have a new like ad video that will be airing soon on this, it explains that a new way the system works. But tech parents the, the, what was I saying here? The, the people who have been investing in fixing things whether that's [00:39:00] because they've been culturally invested in this or working on technologies that are, are working on this they are going to be the people who I imagine are not targeted by these groups and who are given.

Likely ability to participate in what is inevitably the winning side of this, which is gonna be the Gen Alpha side. Yeah. And we already see Gen Alpha like acting more responsibly than previous generations. You know, they don't consume alcohol as much. They don't consume like waters like the number one like beverage that they're buying.

Like they, they are like, Hey, this whole sleeping around thing was a bad idea. Hey, this whole X thing was a bad idea. And the ones who realize this more are also the ones who are having kids more, and also the ones that are economically engaging more. So, yeah. And, but this is only within Gen Alpha that this is where I expect to see this transition happen.

So I think what we're gonna see is a basically societal turnover. And it's going to be very, very if not violent it's gonna have a lot of suffering as a component to it. And that suffering has been created as an [00:40:00] inevitability of people like the left turning their, the journalist class.

The, the big bureaucrat, CEO class, the deep state, turning their eyes to what is an obvious problem. Yeah. Hey, I mean, gosh. Well, actually, I don't know what to say. I, I don't know if I feel hopeful or not. It's just have I convinced you? Like, does it make sense to instigate this, this, this turnover happening sooner or to support movements that would have it happen sooner because it will lead to less bloodshed overall.

I, I just don't, I don't see the revolutions playing out the way that you think. Just like there wasn't a revolution per se in South Africa. It just kind of devolved into the state where it is now. This is, it's a, you just think it all ends up like South Africa. It all collapses. Yeah. Well, and a lot of people in South Africa would say it's not collapsing that, you know, the areas that are nice are really nice and you know, we've.

I mean aristocratic utensil. Look at they have armed armed guard. We're talking [00:41:00] about how he was looking at the place where he could live in South Africa and thinking, yeah, I think I'd rather live there than in the uk. So look at it from that perspective. There's a lot of people who already would prefer to live in the walled garden of a post collapse society, as we would define it, than in the UK right now.

Okay. Well, so let's, let's talk about what this transition would look like. Okay. Suppose we have some governments begin to basically collapse and then have walled gardens where the tech elite can do basically whatever they want, right? Create their own little utopias or just hang on. And, and in South Africa you don't have that because the ultra tech elite was in South Africa, left the country.

So you're gonna have two things happen. First you're gonna have the very wealthiest leave the countries especially if their assets aren't tied to something like mining or something like that. And in an AI world, that's what we're gonna see. Mm-hmm. Because they're not, they're not forced to stay.

So ultra elite leaves the country. After the ultra elite leaves the country, they then begin to increasingly as city states or cities collapse around the world, become sort of like [00:42:00] milked or squeezed into fewer and future increasingly disproportionately prosperous countries. Mm-hmm. But these are gonna be the countries that tax them less and let them do largely what they want.

So, and that maybe can protect themselves better, like have more like. Law and order. So what you might see is right, maybe not law and order. Law and order is irrelevant when you have like the infinite money glitch, right? So, what we might see is even if a country like the US begins to collapse, if it's offering the tech elite more freedoms, we'll see them leave countries like Europe and move to the Havens within America increasing the, the, the, the difference between the two countries. If people are like, why are you so certain America will come out of this fine? Well, one we are the largest country largest healthy economy with a good fertility rate. We do like we are okay with wealthy people from other countries coming here. We already have systems in place that make that easy.

Israel is another option, but like obviously if you're not Jewish. [00:43:00] There's less of a reason to go there in the game world. We're creating the post apocalypse game world. Like Jews basically live nowhere but Israel anymore because like, why would you stay anywhere if like Israel's a tech utopia and the rest of the world is, is, is fallen.

Yeah. But America is, is like a very easy place for them to go. But then you also have the situation of, oh. Yes. They, we in a post globalist world are one of the only countries that is stable, both in terms of food and energy production capacity.

Yeah, I mean, it's basically our geography, not just our ability to produce our own food and energy, but also our borders and that we're not completely surrounded. We have plenty of port area. We have a military that even if very scaled down is capable of defending where we are. We are okay on our own, whereas a lot of countries now post globalization are, are so anemic in some areas.

China's one of these [00:44:00] examples that it would take them decades to get to a place where they were self-sufficient. And there are other countries that never, ever could have been self-sufficient. So, so to clarify, China imports something like 86% of its energy. Or, and even like what The nitrates for its soil.

It, yeah. Even it even imports nitrates for its soil. Yeah. It can't even grow. Not only is it importing food, but it's importing nitrates. Yeah. Like to grow its own food. It still needs help, but it can't just like, well, I will try. We'll try if global trade route became disrupted, China is completely boned.

Like, like, they, they would not only is their population now, I've seen some estimates out that they might have be as low as not a billion people, but 300 million people. We did an episode before if people want to check it, where we argue that their numbers were probably like 25% to a third higher.

This argues that there are two thirds higher of these new estimates that I've heard from some YouTubers are accurate. That's a good, and, and, and on top of that, they're gonna have masturbation. On top of that, they're shrinking every year. They're just like not relevant long-term as a world power. Japan is much more relevant.

I [00:45:00] have more faith that Japan can turn this around because we've been Japan for the region. Region actually has a fairly robust fertility rate. And I suspect that they may find a way to fix this. Yeah. 'cause they, I'm talking about countries that might, they have a monarch. If I'm talking about countries that might be just okay with going authoritarian.

And, and without much of a fight or pushback from, they can also survive on their own. Agriculturally and, and from a defense standpoint, like they're not in the safest position, but they're still at least to sovereign island, which helps, you know, they don't have like immediate land borders with anyone else.

But Japanese culture definitely has an authoritarian streak and works well under those types of systems. Sure. So although, you know, we, we need to, I wanna do more research before we do the episode on high fertility Japanese subcultures, but the subcultures that seem high fertility are actually some, the least authoritarian.

So we'll see how that plays out. Well, they're, they're very like exports of Americana. And so yes and no. Like, no. I mean I think there's, it's not so much research you'll see that [00:46:00] you're wrong about this. They are, I see direct, aesthetically, aesthetically, but not like, no, not aesthetically dispositionally.

Okay. We'll see, we'll see. There's very much, the disposition is just selecting. Selecting for a similar culture. Not like that's that's not true. So they're, they're very much the truck nut conservatives of Japan. That's what I was saying this morning. I know you got that from me, but let, but let's do more research on it before we cover it.

That's, that's an American culture. There is no traditional Japanese culture, which is anti-authority for the sake of being anti-authority. Yeah. But as a lot of people commenting on that subculture, this is mild Yankees that we're talking about. We're mentioning was, it's like, oh, you're like the this in the uk.

Oh, you're like the this in Australia and, and all of those cultures are American cultural exports. I looked up every one of them. They're all American cultural exports. They're all American truck nuts, conservative. The redneck conservative has been exported around the world as an aspirational culture. In the case in Japan, it was exported as a greaser like movement.

We can debate this in that [00:47:00] episode. Okay. I love you Toon. This, this is where we're heading. And you know, I, I think in the, basically what, what I guess I'm saying here is I think that. If we begin to see historically speaking, if there was a revolution, if there was a transition of power I would've reflexively been on the pro-democracy side.

But now I just don't see how democracy mathematically is going to continue to not cause mass suffering in death. I think your problem is you've met more people, you've seen how democracy plays out, which isn't great always. Well, no, the, the, the mistakes that a lot of people make who are anti-democracy also, I didn't realize this until very, or learn this until very recently, that in, in like actual or og ancient Greek democracy, they're like voting up to several times a week.

You could be dragged out if you didn't actually show up for a vote? Yeah. They would, they would have a a, a banner like that had paint on it [00:48:00] and they'd use it. The slaves would use it to round people into the voting area. And if you had paint on your tunic, you'd be fined because it showed that you were Yeah.

Slow get in it. It sounds like such a bureaucratic nightmare. And I mean, on, on the one hand, it, it seems unfair because like only. Athenian citizen, males, I think of a certain status could, could vote. But then at the same time, like I don't even know if they were thrilled to have that honor, considering all the hassle.

So yeah, even, even original democracy. Not the great thing. No, but the the point is, is that people are always like, yeah, but you can't trust, and this is always my problem with, with monarchies is you can't trust the monarch. It's gonna be good. Here's the problem. Yeah. But it's, it's a self-correcting system.

So Monarchs historically. Literally, especially when they weren't like when they weren't, when they weren't inherited. Like we're, if we go back to like really early England, it was basically whatever, whatever leader was able to maintain military stability and manage resources and then allocate them [00:49:00] efficiently and keep things more or less stable.

And if somebody inherits their power base, which is what always ends up happening. If you look at Roe, yeah. Here, I think hereditary monarchies are very problematic. Yes, but if you look at Rome, okay even if you don't, like, even during periods where they're not exactly hereditary, you get some really bad leaders.

The problem is, is that. In the era of demographic collapse, even a fairly bad, I'd say bottom 25% Monarch is generally gonna be better than a democracy, which is favoring an unsustainable economic policy, which is gonna lead to mass death. Mm-hmm. 'cause at the very least, the Monarch is going to want to maintain some degree of long-term stability.

Did Nero want long-term stability? He wanted enough stability that he could continue to do his parties. Like a lot of these, these, these, these people, and this is the thing about monarchs, is the amount of crazy they [00:50:00] can do is often limited to like the amount of crazy that they personally can do. There are limits to their damage.

It's, it's absolutely horrifying. But it's like, what if you had a society where one guy was crazy and just could like, go around murdering people given the population of America, like throwing snakes at a crowd for fun and stuff like that. Like, that's bad, but it's a small amount of damage compared to the amount of damage we're talking about as social services begin to collapse.

Yeah. So, you know, it, it's, it's, it is. Bad if we had a neuro, which generally the, the, you know, I, I, I don't think that we would end up getting here. But like, okay, let me put it this way. Take your worst interpretation of Trump, like somebody who has absolutely no positive things to think about him. If he became a dictator, how much harm would he actually cause, like.

He's not the type of guy to do like mass beheadings of, you know, [00:51:00] he's not the type of guy to, if, if you are an active terrorist, he would send you to like a GMO or something like that. Like actively blowing up Tesla cars to try to like change. I. That's as far as I can see somebody like him getting so yeah, I'm just not particularly worried.

And then this is why I say like, but it's unlikely to be Trump. Like if America actually goes through this transition, it's likely to be either a Democrat or a conservative leader. I and the people like the Democrats wouldn't do this. Oh, yes, they would. They already are saying that like the elections are illegitimate for Trump.

Mm-hmm. The deep state already tried to rig an election cycle. Like of course they might try to say, Hey, we just can't safely allow Republicans to win anymore. And the Republicans are pretty close to saying this about the Democrats. I disagree with Rudyard. I don't think it's gonna actually be a revolution.

Revolution, but this direction. Anyway. Love you Simone. This horrifying future. Thanks for [00:52:00] tonight. I love you too, Malcolm.

Oh God. For getting that. So we'll have our bases covered. I just logged onto Instagram and saw that I had like some comments and stuff. Were they like, like why did I look like I had posted recently photos of like from, from our hotel visit and, and had written something about like, I don't know why our kids love hotels so much because it's.

I don't know, it, it just surprises me. 'cause there aren't like toys in the hotel or anything. It's not a kid place. Yeah. And like the two comments immediately I see. I'm guessing they think anytime they're outside your house is a chance to escape your abuse. Another one Comments. They're probably just hoping it's someone in a public setting will witness your abuse and call the.

I'm like, why does that stress you out? These people have sad little lives. Okay. Yeah. I guess I click to their profiles. I can [00:53:00] get a, a picture of just exactly what their lives are like. One is, one is a nurse who takes a lot of pictures of her goats and coffee and, and oh, she's quite overweight and loves eating very unhealthy foods, so that.

A thing. The other one, she lives a of constant pain. The other one's just a picture of her cat. Okay, nevermind. An actual cat lady checks out. An actual cat lady. A cat lady in an overweight food like binger apparently would seem, I guess, yeah. Nevermind. Nevermind, carry on. I'm just not gonna look at comments anymore.

Oh, it's more like the, the, the thing that Octavian actually did at that hotel was go along to everyone at the party. Not to report abuse, but to insist that they like and subscribe. Yes. Having subscribed to our channel, it's like this event was really high profile people who are way more like famous and important than we are.

Have you [00:54:00] subscribed to our channel? Our channel subscribed? Have you subscribed? He's got, Hey. We, we tell our kids it's for closers, candy's for closers. And, you know, without even knowing what closing is, they are closers. No. Okay. And so we sometimes at the end of our videos, I'll have videos of like Octavian saying, like, and subscribe.

And you think, I, I bet you think what's happening is before he says that we're telling him to say that. No, no, no. It's like, I'm, I'm trying to cook dinner and he's just. Like standing there being like, you need to film something to, for our subscribers. How many subscribers do we have? And I'm like, I don't know.

On tv. I haven't checked for like weeks. He's like, I need to know now. And I think it's because you know, he also watches YouTube sometimes. Mm-hmm. So he sees his YouTubers do this. Mm-hmm. And that's where he's picking it up from. It's not like that we are obsessing about this. Yeah. It's like if, if he went to.

To an old fashioned church. And like, that was like his main source of content. You know, he'd always be like, you know, and God be with you and like, made you surprise of mercy on your soul. And I was like, and like, you subscribe. Yeah. But like in, you know, the things that the, the rifts that he or he hears [00:55:00] again and again are Yeah.

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