On this week's episode, David DesRoches and Abdolrasool (Farzam) Divsallar, a Non-Resident Scholar with MEI's Iran Program, speak to MEI Managing Editor Matthew Czekaj on Iran's April 13 missile and drone attack on Israel and what it reveals about both countries' attack and deterrence capabilities.

Note: This conversation was recorded on Friday, May 3, 2024.

Recently published and upcoming works mentioned in this episode:

• David DesRoches' chapter on Saudi defense reform, in the edited volume Governance and Domestic Policy-Making in Saudi Arabia.
• Abdolrasool (Farzam) Divsallar's chapter on Iranian foreign policy institutions, published in the multi-author volume The Sacred Republic. Follow Farzam's work with the Middle East WMD-Free Zone project on the UNIDIR website.