Discernment alone isn’t enough. The sword must find its counter-movement in worship.
 In this conversation, Patrick and Jonah explore Revelation 12’s great battle—Michael’s sword casting down the dragon, and the Lamb whose gentleness completes the victory. They linger on how clarity without reverence can harden into pride, and how only devotion to the Lamb protects the soul from the very forces it tries to understand.

Through Vladimir Soloviev’s Tale of the Antichrist and C.S. Lewis’s That Hideous Strength, they trace the subtle temptation to know evil but never kneel before the Good. True discernment, they suggest, leads to communion: the sword prepares the way, but worship restores life.

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Thanks to Elliott Chamberlin who composed our theme music, “Seeking Together."