James Pogue interviews John Lechner, a journalist and author who has extensively covered the Wagner Group and its influence in Africa, particularly in the Central African Republic. They discuss John's unique path to journalism through language learning, the historical context of the Central African Republic, ethnic divisions within the country, the civil war, and the role of external powers.

John's new book is called Death is Our Business, the shocking inside story of how the Wagner Group made private military companies inextricable from Russia's anti-Western foreign strategy.

The podcast also touches on military entrepreneurship and the ongoing situation in Eastern Congo, emphasizing the complex interplay of these regions' politics, identity, and resources. This conversation delves into the complex historical and political dynamics of the Central African Republic and the influence of the Wagner Group. It explores the historical context of the Tutsis in Congo, the political landscape shaped by various armed groups, and the role of Russia in Africa, particularly through the Wagner Group. The discussion highlights the interplay of local politics, foreign influence, and the region's ongoing struggles for power and resources. In this conversation, James Pogue and John Lechner delve into the complexities of power dynamics, the operations of the Wagner Group, and the challenges faced in the Sahel region. They explore the future of private military companies (PMCs) in American foreign policy, discussing the implications of influence trading and the evolving nature of warfare. The dialogue highlights the difficulties in navigating geopolitical landscapes and the potential for PMCs to play a significant role in future conflicts.