Ashley and new host Sam Sager sit down with legend of permaculture David Holmgren. They discuss a permaculture vision for the suburbs laid out in David's book: Retrosuburbia.    

David Holmgren is the co-originator of the permaculture concept following publication of Permaculture One, co-authored with Bill Mollison in 1978. David is globally recognised as a leading ecological thinker, teacher, writer and speaker promoting permaculture as a realistic, attractive and powerful alternative to dependent consumerism. Other key publications include Permaculture: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability (2002) and Future Scenarios: How Communities Can Adapt To Peak Oil and Climate Change (2009) and RetroSuburbia: The Downshifter’s Guide to a Resilient Future (2018).  

www.holmgren.com.au 

www.retrosuburbia.com 

www.futurescenarios.org  

Sam Sager is slowly building a suburban food forest on a 1/4 acre in North Carolina. He's fascinated by how we can build the capacity to respond to change within ourselves and the natural world around us. He loves exploring new ideas and experimenting in his own backyard. He runs First Stone Fitness to help people embrace exercise more fully and hosts The Self-Renewal Podcast.