Jason speaks to Tornado Nate! They discuss doomer optimism, homesteading and rootedness, psychedelics, and being a hippie!

Nathan Gates @TornadoNate is a licensed psychotherapist and co-host of Altered States of Context, a podcast about psychedelics, science and psychotherapy. He also practices regenerative ranching and writes from his family's farm in rural west-central Illinois.

Jason Snyder @cognazor Metamodern localist | homesteading, permaculture, bioregional regeneration | meditation, self inquiry, embodied cognition | PhD from Michigan State University, faculty Appalachian State University.