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In this episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine are joined by Bill Marler, the nation's leading foodborne illness attorney, to discuss some of the major outbreaks of 2025 (so far), those who aren't doing what they're supposed to, and how we can push for changes towards food safety.

Buckle up because not only are there many, but they're very frustrating ones.

We'll revisit the Boar's Head Outbreak as new violations have been found in other plants, and the company is reopening the plant from the outbreak. We'll tackle the Darwin Dog Food case, which has been linked to a four-year-old child who became infected with E. coli O157:H7 and developed HUS, as well as the Listeria Shake Outbreak in long-term care facilities, with 14 dead.

In this episode:

💩 [01:11] Sexy tractors and feeling politically out of place

💩 [04:07] Do the Boar's Head executives even care?

💩 [08:06] What Boar's Head is doing and what they should've done instead

💩 [16:15] The frustrating E. coli-contaminated Darwin Dog Food case

💩 [18:53] FDA's failure to enforce a product recall from Darwin

💩 [24:14] How Bill is finally getting justice for the Shake Outbreak victims

💩 [29:42] How companies can save lives by testing their products

💩 [33:29] When authorities redact documents and withhold critical information 

💩 [37:58] The Romaine Lettuce outbreak that remains a "mystery"

💩 [42:49] How Bill Marler is unfortunately having to do the FDA and CDC's jobs

💩 [50:04] The incredible success of the fight against E. coli in hamburgers

💩 [55:04] Addressing the Poisoned documentary skeptics

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Read the Marler Blog post with the 35 pages of non-conformances on Boar's Head's plants.

Read about the frustrating E. coli-contaminated Darwin Dog Food case.

Read about the Listeria Shake Outbreak in long-term care facilities.

Here's the video with the keynote speaker saying we should "Put Bill Marler out of business".

Watch Bill Marler and Darin Detwiler’s Emmy award-winning documentary, Poisoned: The Dirty Truth About Your Food.

Read about the multi-state E. coli outbreak where the FDA and CDC chose to Romaine Silent.

Catch up with past Bill Marler episodes:

Episode 17

Episode 18

Bonus Episode

Episode 92

Episode 100

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ I don't know why FDA won't name the romaine lettuce guys, even though they did when the same guys were growing onions. I don't have a good answer to that question other than I just think it sadly, undercuts the authority of public health, that they seem to be an honest broker in the process. It breaks my heart.” – Bill Marler

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Think you know food safety? Think again. In this special highlight episode of Don’t Eat Poop, we’re rewinding to some of the most surprising facts we’ve ever shared on the show — the kind that can change the way you shop, cook, and eat.

From chemical-laced decaf to disgusting yet FDA-approved gloves, these are real, documented truths that every food lover (and every food safety professional) should know… but most don’t.

In this episode:

💩 [01:43] Why some decaf coffee may contain industrial solvents — and what you should choose instead (yes, there is a safe option)

💩 [04:40] The surprising truth about mayonnaise storage 

💩 [06:52] Why washing this food does more harm than good 

💩 [12:41] The big myth about “killing all bacteria” in fresh produce facilities and why washing produce at home won’t save you

💩 [20:08] The dirty truth about disposable gloves (including the pathogens and contaminants found right out of the box)

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources & References

1. Clean Label Project: Decaf Coffee Contaminants White Paper
2. Episode 111 | What They Don’t Tell You About Decaf Coffee That You Should Absolutely Know
3. Episode 99 | 20 Food Items You Don’t Actually Need to Refrigerate
4. Episode 73 | Don’t Wash Your Chicken, Seriously
5. Episode 69 | A Look at the FDA’s Reorganization Plan and Some Food Safety Mythbusting
6. Episode 115 | Gloves: Risks and Solutions for the Most Overlooked Zone 1 Food Safety Item with Steve Ardagh, CEO & Founder of Eagle Protect

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“Methylene Chloride is an active ingredient in paint thinner that was recently banned by the EPA. So you could not use this product to scrape paint off your walls. It's too dangerous for that, but to throw into some coffee beans to get rid of caffeine? No problem?!” – Matt Regusci

“We know from independent research that in tests done on 2,800 new and unused gloves from 26 different brands, over 260 different viable pathogens were found. Listeria, E. coli, Salmonella. Name it, it was there. ” – Francine L Shaw

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In this episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine are revisiting a much-discussed topic within the food safety world: raw milk.

Despite its undeniable health benefits, the long list of dangerous pathogens that may be present makes consuming raw milk far too risky. Until now, the only way to make sure milk is safe for consumption has been through pasteurization; however, an emerging advanced UV light technology may change the game.

Tune in to discover what we know so far about the breakthrough that promises to zap pathogens out of raw milk while preserving its beneficial components, which will save lots of lives.

In this episode:

💩 [01:02] No sympathy for a man cold

💩 [06:49] Why you can potentially die if you drink raw milk

💩 [08:58] A possible way to make raw milk safe without pasteurization

💩 [10:58] PSA about contacting Matt and Francine on LinkedIn

💩 [12:14] The new technology and what is FDA-approved so far

💩 [16:41] A macro view of how the process possibly works

💩 [19:53] What will make or break this new technology

💩 [21:31] The importance of agreeing to disagree

💩 [23:08] The potential uses and impact of this treatment process

💩 [25:22] The benefits for raw milk producers and consumers

💩 [27:25] How about some Don't Eat Poop! merch?

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Check out the Food Safety News article our hosts are talking about, Zapping pathogens could be breakthrough for raw milk.

Catch up with one of the podcast's best episodes on raw milk: Episode 22 | Is It Safe to Drink Raw Milk? Food Safety Specialists Break It Down.

Listen to our previous episode with Roger Hancock: Episode 126 | How the FDA Wants YOU to Fix Food Safety Recalls.

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

"Who doesn't know there's poop in raw milk? There's poop in pasteurized milk. The difference is it's pasteurized, so it's got rid of the pathogens." – Matt Regusci

“They've been advertising [these UV light treatments] in kitchens for equipment and things like that for years. I've always been a bit skeptical [...] because it's only going to sanitize where the light can reach. [...] That wouldn't be the case with this. I mean, it's kind of exciting.” – Francine L Shaw

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What happens when the FDA says, “Help us help you!” in the middle of recall chaos? You get an impromptu - and enlightening - episode featuring food recall expert Roger Hancock, CEO of Recall InfoLink. 

In this episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine, together with Roger, dive into a recently released (and very quietly announced) FDA letter calling on the food industry to step up and collaborate on modernizing food recall systems - especially for products impacting babies and kids.

Spoiler alert: this episode is part policy analysis, part industry gossip, and part Roger being roped into a podcast live via a surprise call. You’re welcome.

In this episode:

💩 [01:07] Introducing Roger Hancock, CEO of Recall InfoLink

💩 [03:38] Roger breaks down the FDA’s 2025 recall modernization priority

💩 [05:55] FDA’s letter to industry leaders

💩 [08:00] When are you required to notify the FDA about a recall?

💩 [11:12] Is reporting to the FDA really that tedious? Roger spills the data

💩 [13:28] Recall communication protocols

💩 [16:12] Infant formula, foods intended for children, and allergens

💩 [17:32] The three pillars of every recall and why message delivery isn’t enough

💩 [21:14] Increasing the speed of recall classification

💩 [27:12] Recall processes, standardizing data, and AI

💩 [35:37] Modernizing data submissions

💩 [43:16] Why consumers never hear about recalls

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Take a look at the food safety news article we’re talking about today: FDA wants industry to suggest how to better use recalls for food safety

Behind the Scenes at the Food Safety Consortium with Rick Biros: Conference Culture, Compliance & Community | Episode 123

Alliance for Recall Ready Communities

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ The important part of recall, quite frankly, isn't the message. The important part about a recall is the action.” – Roger Hancock

“ There's a variety of potential outcomes for a defective product, but those three things are critical. Defective product, consumers that have purchased it, and instructions about what to do.” – Roger Hancock

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The FDA just dropped a list of food safety "wins," and in this episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine are here to break it down. 

Spoiler: If you're hoping for action on salmonella-in-your-eggs or listeria-in-your-lunchmeat, you might want to lower your expectations. Matt and Francine dissect what the FDA is really prioritizing (hint: it’s not pathogen prevention), why “generally recognized as safe” might be due for a rebrand, and what Frank Yiannas had to say with his subtle-but-spicy LinkedIn post. 

In this episode:

💩 [01:08] Introducing Don’t Eat Poop’s new sponsor

💩 [04:36] The FDA’s 100 Days of Embracing Gold-Standard Science, Transparency and Common Sense

💩 [06:00] Infant formula improvements

💩 [09:00] Titanium dioxide and other banned substances

💩 [10:03] GRAS reform: What “generally recognized as safe” really means

💩 [11:14] Nature food dyes

💩 [12:12] Defining “ultra-processed foods” is harder than you think

💩 [14:56] Frank Yiannas’s take on the FDA’s 100 Days

💩 [20:37] Using AI to help utilize big data

💩 [22:58] The drug side of the FDA gets 3x more attention than the food side

💩 [26:36] Two types of safety: what kills you now vs. what kills you slowly

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Take a look at the FDA’s 100 Days of Embracing Gold-Standard Science, Transparency and Common Sense here.

Listeria’s Lasting Damage: A Food Safety Wake-Up Call | Episode 122. Listen here.

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ The FDA should actually be renamed DAF. Drug administration and food. It's like food is an afterthought in the FDA.” – Matt Regusci

“ We need to think about the American consumers and keeping their food safe because we don't want them to die when they eat their food.” – Francine L Shaw

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In this jaw-dropping episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine unpack a food safety scandal so grotesque it could make you ill just thinking about it. From a Kansas City steakhouse scandal involving literal food contamination for fetish content, to cringe-worthy confessions from food safety trainees, this episode hits every horrifying note in the foodservice handbook of “what not to do.”

Hold onto your lunch: this is the food safety podcast episode you wish was fiction.

In this episode:

💩 [02:28] The cult classic restaurant movie - Waiting

💩 [05:11] The case of Jace Hanson

💩 [10:36] Food contamination for Grindr clout

💩 [12:26] Confessions from a food safety trainee

💩 [17:17] How improper storage and poor practices shut down a high-end restaurant

💩 [22:18] The fallout: 380 complaints, 130 illnesses, and one closed restaurant

💩 [28:37] Why culture fit matters in food safety

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Take a look at the article we’re talking about in this episode: https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2025/07/man-in-kansas-pleads-guilty-to-contaminating-food-at-upscale-restaurant/  

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ The Leawood police said that they eventually received 380 tips about food contamination from diners who ate at the restaurant. 380 in one month. So if you guys are ever curious about hiring practices and how important that is, it's very important.” – Matt Regusci

“Never did I think I’d read Food Safety News and Grindr in the same sentence.” – Francine L Shaw

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In this episode of Don’t Eat Poop! recorded on-site at the 2024 Food Safety Consortium, our hosts Matt and Francine sit down with Rick Biros, the mastermind behind the conference and publisher of Food Safety Tech. 

From escalator woes to high-level discussions on FSMA 204 and food safety culture metrics, this episode captures the pulse of a post-pandemic industry ready to level up. Whether you're an industry vet or a newcomer, get ready for insights and a healthy dose of laughter.

In this episode:

💩 [01:41] Kicking things off with Rick Biros

💩 [04:30] The escalator strikes again! Why venue logistics matter

💩 [06:55] The value of a conference: education & networking

💩 [08:59] FSMA 204, listeria outbreaks, and why the food safety industry is “waking up”

💩 [11:06] Chemical testing rising

💩 [13:16] The AFFI partnership: how collaboration upgraded the agenda

💩 [17:17] Women in Food Safety Breakfast: growing stronger every year

💩 [19:37] What’s next for Food Safety Tech: more projects & purpose

💩 [22:12] Measuring food safety culture

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Visit: https://foodsafetytech.com/

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ We've not really been paying a lot of attention from a regulatory standpoint on chemical testing. That's been all Europe's big issues. Now with forever chemicals and a lot of the other issues, we're going to see an increase in the aspect of analytical testing that we've not seen in a long time in the food industry.” – Rick Biros

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When foodborne illness becomes a life sentence, who carries the burden? 

In this gut-wrenching episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine share the devastating story of John Trahar - a once-vibrant entrepreneur now reduced to a shadow of himself after a listeria infection caused bacterial meningitis. It's not just about pathogens and paperwork; it's about people. This episode puts a very real, very human face on why preventing foodborne illness isn't optional.

In this episode:

💩 [05:20] Introduction to Bill Marler

💩 [05:57] Listeria strikes again: backstory on the Mexico potato connection

💩 [07:54] The devastating effects of listeria

💩 [14:32] What bacterial meningitis means for a human body

💩 [19:00] John’s wife’s emotional reality

💩 [22:10] Family fallout: Impact on their teenage son and family business

💩 [28:43] Where's the FDA? Lingering questions about traceback and accountability

💩 [30:51] Why storytelling matters in food safety culture

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Check out Bill Marler’s blog: https://www.marlerblog.com/ 

The case that we’re talking about today: https://www.marlerblog.com/case-news/a-tragic-listeria-illness-and-the-search-for-the-cause/ 

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ Dying from listeria is probably one of the worst ways to die. [...] It's perpetual pain.” – Matt Regusci

“ I wouldn’t want to live with listeria. I would prefer to die.” – Francine L Shaw

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When a fired Disney employee went full villain and hacked into the company's menu system, the consequences weren’t just petty - they were potentially deadly. 

In this episode of Don’t Eat Poop!, our hosts Matt and Francine dive headfirst into the bizarre true story of a rogue ex-employee who changed prices, dropped profanities, and worst of all, tampered with allergen info on Disney’s restaurant menus. 

From food defense to the overlooked cybersecurity risks in food service, this is one story where food safety, tech, and a little insanity collide.

In this episode:

💩 [05:19] A fired Disney employee hacks into Disney’s menus

💩 [09:12] From paternity leave to felony charges

💩 [11:44] How allergen tampering crosses a deadly line

💩 [14:21] Trying to understand the motives behind the menu hacking

💩 [16:41] Software security failures and food safety

💩 [21:24] Who should have access to menu allergens?

💩 [24:06] Understanding the severity of allergen tampering

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Find the past episode on hacking and food safety here: Some Growing Food Safety Threats That Most Don’t Think About But Can Gravely Affect Your Facility | Episode 116

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ I don't think they would've thrown the book at him as much as they did until he started jacking with allergens because that's changing it from a bad prank [...] to manslaughter.” – Matt Regusci

“ I understand being angry, but the things that he did went beyond hurting the company. [...] Some of them could have killed people.” – Francine L Shaw

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Is your wheat toast a weapon waiting to happen? 

In this eye-opening episode of the Don't Eat Poop!, our hosts Francine and Matt unpack a disturbing real-world threat: the smuggling of a biological weapon-grade fungus into the U.S. food system. 

From fusarium head blight to potential global famine, they connect the dots between agroterrorism, supply chain vulnerabilities, and why food safety professionals need to think like defense strategists. It’s not paranoia, it’s preparedness.

In this episode:

💩 [04:38] Francine and Matt recap their global webinar on the future of food safety

💩 [05:11] Bioterrorism: Why internal threats are often more dangerous than external ones

💩 [06:55] The case of the Chinese doctoral students smuggling fusarium head blight (FHB) into U.S. labs

💩 [08:52] A breakdown of FHB’s economic and food security impact

💩 [13:37] Global catastrophe potential: How disrupting the Western Hemisphere’s grain supply could trigger a worldwide famine

💩 [17:25] Could bioterrorism reverse decades of food production efficiency?

💩 [22:55] What food producers and processors can (and can’t) do

💩 [31:50] Why training and trust alone won’t cut it

Disclaimer: Episode title and content do not constitute legal or health advice.

Resources from this episode

Check out this past episode on food terrorism: Some Growing Food Safety Threats That Most Don’t Think About But Can Gravely Affect Your Facility | Episode 116

Noteworthy quotes from this episode

“ I don't think we have to have a nuclear war in order to kill every human being in the United States. A bioterrorist war would do it,” – Matt Regusci

“ I truly believed that everybody just operated to the best of their ability and cared about what they served and how they served it. It was so eye-opening for me when I became an inspector and realized that that was not the case.” – Francine L Shaw

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