NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

Learn how to handle money tension with friends and partners, from splitting costs to getting a loan paid back.

Is it fair for a friend to split every grocery bill with you when they earn far more than you do? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola dig into some of Reddit’s messiest money conversations, with posts read by NerdWallet senior banking writer Spencer Tierney, credit expert Amanda Barroso and content strategist Jackie Tucker. You’ll hear why surprise payment app requests can sting, how rarely money values come up between friends, whether splitting every cost makes a friendship feel transactional, and what to consider when a friend borrows money twice and then asks whether they really need to pay it all back.

Then, how much money does it take to stop worrying about money? Sean and Elizabeth discuss why there may never be a magic number, how medical bills and rising health care costs feed financial anxiety, and what a viral article about Gen Z women paying for, and parenting, their boyfriends reveals about the difference between a wage gap and an effort gap in relationships. They also open up about the financial decisions they regret (or refuse to), from overstaying in a low-wage job market abroad to not setting money aside for taxes, and react to Redditors’ biggest regrets, including selling Microsoft stock in 1992 and skipping a prenup.

Read The Cut article discussed in this episode here:

https://www.thecut.com/article/young-women-earning-more-money-boyfriends.html

Follow the Reddit conversations discussed in this episode below:

Finance Stuff With A Friend

At what income or net worth did you stop worrying about money?

How To Ask Somebody To Pay You Back

What is a financial decision you will regret for the rest of your life?

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Learn how to rebuild credit while saving in sinking funds, and why 7 in 10 Americans struggle to afford the basics.

How can you rebuild your credit and save for big goals at the same time? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP, and Elizabeth Ayoola are joined by NerdWallet senior credit expert Amanda Barroso to answer a listener's question about moving from repairing bad credit to building excellent credit. They discuss which habits have the biggest effect on your score and how to spot errors on your credit report. They also cover when a secured credit card could make sense, how rent reporting and credit limit increases might help, and what credit score you typically need for a travel rewards card. Finally, they talk about how to set up sinking funds so the pursuit of credit card rewards doesn't turn into overspending.

Then, why are so many middle-class families struggling to afford the basics? Senior news writer Anna Helhoski talks with Lelaine Bigelow, executive director of the Georgetown Center on Poverty and Inequality, about their new Family Economic Well-Being Index. The index finds that 70% of Americans struggle to afford at least one basic need. They discuss why renters face heavier housing burdens than homeowners and why child care strains families even at higher incomes. They also get into why health care is the most widespread burden and how stacked costs can leave a family one surprise bill away from a crisis.

Learn the strategies that can help you build your credit score faster: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/raise-credit-score-fast

Find out how a secured card could help you rebuild credit: https://www.nerdwallet.com/credit-cards/learn/build-credit-with-secured-credit-card

See how rent-reporting services could help renters get credit for on-time payments: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/rent-reporting-services

Learn how sinking funds can help you pay cash for big expenses: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/nerdwallet-sinking-fund-savings

Check your credit reports for free every week: https://www.annualcreditreport.com

Explore the Family Economic Well-Being Index findings from the Georgetown Center on Poverty and Inequality: https://www.georgetownpoverty.org/issues/new-family-index/

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Learn how to build generational wealth and navigate the complex financial issues of being the first in your family to get ahead financially.

Generational wealth expert India Elliott, a financial advisor at Wells Fargo Advisors, joins hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola to answer listener questions about building — and protecting — wealth that lasts. One listener, a first-gen college grad who relocated out of a small Ohio town, wants to understand how to build “real wealth” for himself and his family; India walks through her four pillars (earn, manage, protect, and grow) and explains how tools like trusts, life insurance, and estate plans could pass assets to the next generation with fewer taxes and fewer family disputes. A second listener has her own finances in order but struggles with watching loved ones make financial choices that worry her, navigating the concept of the “Black tax,” and figuring out when — and how — to say no to financial requests without guilt or compromising her own path to generational wealth.

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Learn how to turn your retirement savings into a steady retirement paycheck and how grocery stores may use your data to set prices.

How do you turn decades of retirement savings into income you can count on for the rest of your life? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola talk with Jean Chatzky, host of the HerMoney podcast and author of “The Forever Paycheck: The New Retirement Strategy to Spend More, Worry Less, and Never Run Out of Money,” about why spending down your savings in retirement can be so hard, both in the math and in your head. They discuss where the 4% rule could fall short, the difference between buying a paycheck with an annuity and building one with investments, and when to start planning. They also answer listener questions about whether a pension means you can ease off on 403(b) contributions, what two years out of the workforce could cost a stay-at-home parent, and whether to consolidate old retirement accounts.

Then, is your grocery store charging you more than the shopper next to you for the same items? Senior news writer Anna Helhoski talks with fellow Nerd Amanda Barroso about surveillance pricing, where retailers use data from loyalty programs, apps and even how fast you type to set prices based on what they think you’re willing to pay. They discuss how it differs from dynamic pricing, the signs it could be happening to you, what states and the FTC are doing about it, and how adding a little friction to your shopping could help.

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For more information on the topics discussed in this episode, check out these resources:

Retirement Calculator: https://www.nerdwallet.com/investing/calculators/retirement-calculator

HerMoney with Jean Chatzky: 

https://www.youtube.com/hermoney

The Forever Paycheck by Jean Chatzky: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/805286/the-forever-paycheck-by-jean-chatzky/

my Social Security: https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/

Why the Box of Cereal in My Cart Might Cost Less Than Yours: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/news/surveillance-pricing

Federal Trade Commission’s Proposed Enforcement Policy Statement Regarding Personalized Pricing: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/p034101-ftc-enforcement-policy-statement-re-personalized-pricing-proposed-for-public-comment.pdf

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Learn how condo and HOA fees change the math on renting vs. home ownership, and how to resist a pricey tech upgrade.

Is buying a home with a hefty condo or HOA fee worth the money compared with renting? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola talk with Ryan Sterling, CEO of NerdWallet Wealth Partners, about a listener trying to factor condo fees into the rent vs. buy decision. You’ll hear why the idea that renting is “throwing money away” overlooks the costs homeowners might not get back, how long it could take for buying to break even at different mortgage rates, and why the payoff of owning a home can be as much about emotions as finances.

Then, how do you talk yourself out of a big purchase you don’t really need? Sean and Elizabeth weigh the pull of Apple’s new $2,000 folding phone and a high-end smartwatch, why monthly installment plans and phone leasing can make pricey tech feel cheaper than it is, and how to tell whether a splurge lines up with your values.

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Learn how to escape a timeshare contract, plus what kind of help exists if you want to buy a home.

How do you get out of a timeshare you no longer want? Elizabeth Ayoola talks with travel Nerd Craig Joseph about a listener whose parents are paying yearly fees on an Orlando property they can barely use anymore. You'll hear why these timeshare contracts are so hard to unwind, what maintenance fees tend to run, and why there's often no cap on how fast they climb.

Then, can you really get free money to buy a house? Sean Pyles, CFP®, Elizabeth Ayoola and senior news writer Anna Helhoski are joined by mortgage Nerds Abby Badach Doyle and Kate Wood to discuss how down payment and closing cost assistance works, and how to tell a good deal from an expensive one. They get into where the thousands of programs come from, how a grant differs from a forgivable loan or a second mortgage, and one place homebuying help is starting to appear that you might not expect.

Want to get rid of your timeshare? Read this before you hire someone to help: https://consumer.ftc.gov/consumer-alerts/2022/11/want-get-rid-your-timeshare-read-you-hire-someone-help

Links mentioned in this episode:

How Timeshare Presentations Earn Me Cheap Travel: https://www.nerdwallet.com/travel/learn/how-timeshare-presentations-earn-me-cheap-travel

Are Timeshares Worth It? Possibly, if You Buy Smart: https://www.nerdwallet.com/travel/learn/are-timeshares-worth-it

Want to get rid of your timeshare? Read this before you hire someone to help: https://consumer.ftc.gov/consumer-alerts/2022/11/want-get-rid-your-timeshare-read-you-hire-someone-help

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Learn what to weigh before investing in real estate syndications, including costs, risks and REIT alternatives.

Should you diversify into real estate, and is real estate syndication the right way to do it? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola talk with NerdWallet investing writer Sam Taube about what real estate syndication actually involves, the different ways to get in — from online crowdfunding platforms to launching your own deal — and the questions worth asking a sponsor before committing any money. They cover how much capital it typically takes, how long that money could be tied up, and why accredited-investor rules can lock out everyday investors.

Sean and Elizabeth also weigh the potential tax benefits against the risks, including past scandals at some online platforms, and talk through simpler alternatives like real estate investment trust (REIT) ETFs for anyone who decides a private syndication is more risk and paperwork than it's worth. They wrap up with a candid conversation about financial anxiety on social media and why it's still worth saving even when money feels tight.

Check out NerdWallet's roundup of real estate crowdfunding platforms: https://www.nerdwallet.com/investing/best/real-estate-crowdfunding-platforms

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When a parent sends their retirement savings to someone they met online, learn how to help them recover – without letting it happen again.

What do you do when a parent has spent most of their retirement savings on a romantic partner they’ve never met? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola help from a listener whose father, in his 70s, drained his retirement accounts and ran up massive credit card debt paying someone he met on OnlyFans. Sean shares what happened when his own father lost $150,000 to a crypto scheme while isolated during the pandemic, and Elizabeth talks about being scammed herself and her mother handing money to a stranger promising crypto returns. They get into the shame that keeps victims silent, the chat agencies that mean the person answering may not be the person in the photos, the red flags that show up before money moves, and why a parent who’s lonely is a target long before they’re a victim.

Plus, we talk with an economics professor about the Federal Reserve’s decision this week to hike a key interest rate, and what it could mean for your loans and savings accounts. 

If you’re worried a parent is being scammed, you can access free guidance at the AARP Fraud Watch Network Helpline. 

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Is indexed universal life insurance “recession-proof?” Learn how it really works and whether it belongs in your retirement plan.

Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola speak with NerdWallet insurance writer Elizabeth Aldrich about what IUL actually is. Aldrich breaks down the zero-percent floor that sounds like guaranteed protection (but doesn't mean you can't lose money), the truth behind the "better than a 401(k)" and "tax-free retirement" claims circulating online, and the narrow circumstances where an IUL might actually make sense. 

Read Lizzie's NerdWallet article on why “recession-proof” insurance is trending: https://www.nerdwallet.com/insurance/life/news/indexed-universal-life-insurance-trending 

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Learn how a debt-free couple budgets for a wedding, a house and a baby, plus why disaster betting markets are booming.

How much of a $20,500 monthly income could go toward a wedding, a first home and a future baby, all within the same few years? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola sit down with a debt-free military couple, Jack and Lauren, to dig into their budget and figure out where their savings could be prioritized. You'll hear how the couple built their monthly numbers, how their retirement contributions stack up years down the road, and where spending on subscriptions, transportation and eating out is quietly adding up.

Would you bet money on whether a hurricane makes landfall, or an earthquake strikes? Senior news writer Anna Helhoski explains how prediction markets on platforms like Kalshi and Polymarket have turned natural disasters into tradable contracts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, and why some researchers argue the practice is pricing catastrophe like just another guessing game.

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Are you on track to save enough for retirement? Use NerdWallet’s free retirement calculator to check your progress, see how much retirement income you'll have and estimate how much more you should save: https://www.nerdwallet.com/investing/calculators/retirement-calculator 

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The Business of Betting on Natural Disasters: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/news/natural-disaster-prediction-markets 

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