In our second interview podcast of July 2018, Doug Stilwell shares lessons learned on his transition from a public school administrator to a professor of education at Drake University, once bitten by the Deming philosophy.

(This is Tripp's second interview with Doug. Link here for the first interview.)

Highlights include:

• Continued impact of new education methods in the Urbandale Community School District

• How to bring more of Dr. Deming's ideas into higher education?

• How to impact the next generation of leaders in education?

• Drake's Continual Improvement Network

• What happens when students leave Doug's classes?

• Network improvement communities

• "The system always wins"

• Moving away from the A-F grading system

• Shifting from a "time rigid / learning flexible" system to a "time flexible / learning rigid" system