Ellen Chang is a deep-tech investor focused on the maritime and space domains. 

She is Managing Director at CapZone Impact Investments, and Co-Founder and Co-President of Wharton Aerospace.

She served the U.S. Navy as an Intelligence Officer, later working on JP Morgan’s aerospace team and founding a B2B aviation parts sourcing startup. 

She spent 12 years at Northrop Grumman, holding leadership roles across systems engineering, program management, and advanced systems, with work spanning autonomous air and space platforms.

This episode covers:
- Deep tech investor insights.
- Drone adoption and reducing cognitive load.
- Why manufacturing scale, not just innovation, wins wars.

00:00 - Intro
01:07 - Taiwan’s defense strategy: Standing on their own vs. US support
03:07 - Geopolitics and the "Chip Deal": China’s path to self-reliance
04:42 - The ITAR debate: Should the US "drown the world" in American tech?
05:23 - Why the US struggles with "trinkets," motors, and batteries
06:39 - Economic Statecraft: Lessons from the Great Depression & WWII
08:01 - Revitalizing the Maritime Sector: US vs. China’s $90B investment
09:48 - Partnering with allies to accelerate manufacturing speed
12:00 - Is American innovation too arrogant? Lessons from South Korea
13:08 - The "Hard Tech" Founder Profile: MIT, Stanford, Palantir, and SpaceX
14:59 - Ellen’s investment philosophy: De-risking the "Go-to-Market"
16:23 - Advice for young people entering the "Defense Tech Rage"
17:59 - The Wharton Effect: Why MBAs and Vets are moving into defense
19:36 - Defense Tech as an emerging asset class
21:01 - AI Infrastructure: Data center risks and 2-year backlogs
23:11 - The Future of Autonomy: Adoption challenges in the "System of Systems"
25:01 - Lowering the "Cognitive Load": Designing tech for the 18-year-old warfighter
26:49 - Moving the Bureaucracy: Using safety arguments to improve UI/UX
28:04 - Closing Remarks

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Ellen Chang is a deep-tech investor focused on the maritime and space domains.

She is Managing Director at CapZone Impact Investments, and Co-Founder and Co-President of Wharton Aerospace.

She served the U.S. Navy as an Intelligence Officer, later working on JP Morgan’s aerospace team and founding a B2B aviation parts sourcing startup. 

She spent 12 years at Northrop Grumman, holding leadership roles across systems engineering, program management, and advanced systems, with work spanning autonomous air and space platforms.

This episode covers:
- Taiwan and China geopolitics.
- Ukraine War as a preview of future drone warfare.
- Why Taiwan rapidly built a domestic drone industry.

00:00 - Teaser
01:05 - Introduction: Meet deep tech investor Ellen Chang
01:42 - Ukraine as the "Spanish Civil War" precursor to WWII tech
02:38 - Ukraine's decentralized "factory" model vs. US Bureaucracy
04:04 - The Lobbying Game: Why startups need lobbyists early
05:28 - Ellen’s Journey: Growing up in Taiwan in the 60s
06:46 - Career Path: Navy Intelligence, Banking, and Northrop Grumman
08:04 - Leaving the Primes: The early days of DJI and 3D Robotics
09:36 - Re-industrializing America: Opportunity Zones and Shipyards
10:24 - Taiwan’s economic rise and export-oriented history
12:32 - Reshoring manufacturing: Decoupling from Shenzhen and Guangdong
13:55 - The Generational Divide: Taiwanese Identity vs. Reunification
15:50 - Galvanizing Identity: Lessons from the 2014 invasion of Ukraine
17:02 - Successors of Industry: The US-educated "Second Generation"
18:58 - Invasion Scenarios: The geography and defensibility of Taiwan
20:56 - Building a native drone industry from scratch in two years
23:08 - Legacy: Protecting democracy for the next generation

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Chad McCoy is a Co-Founder and the Chief Growth Officer at Firestorm Labs. He’s a Special Operations Veteran and retired Chief Master Sergeant from the United States Air Force’s 24th Special Tactics Squadron.

The convo covers:
-Importance of a military background as a defense tech founder.
-Speeding up DoD adoption.
-Firestorm’s strategy.
-Winning the Pacific.

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Dan reacts to his 12 most viral drone moments on LinkedIn of 2025. Check out his top posts below:

12. Counter UAS Fishing
11. Chinese Robo-Cop Drone
10. Counter UAS Fishing Nets
9. Autonomous Aerial Construction
8. Russia’s Pearl Harbor
7. Tempest in a Suitcase
6. The Quad Bomber
5. Balloon-Launched 'Eagle'
4. Robo Dog Drone
3. Liaowan-1
2. Narco Sub
1. Chicken drone

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Joslyn Tarr is a seasoned UAS engineering leader with deep expertise in aircraft development and systems engineering. 

She’s worked for several defense companies including Kratos and General Atomics, loves all things aviation and is currently pursuing her private pilot's license. 

Not to mention she’s our very own Senior Vice President of Engineering here at Firestorm Labs.   

This convo covers: 
- Working for a defense prime vs a startup.
- 3-D printing drones.
- Rapid prototyping.
- Scaling teams at a startup.
- Lessons from Ukraine.
- Providing the best value for the warfighter.

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Jamie Dimon is the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, a global financial services firm with assets of $3.2 trillion and operations worldwide. He’s been one of the most influential voices on Wall Street for the last 2 decades.

JP Morgan Chase recently announced the Security and Resiliency Initiative (SRI), a $1.5 trillion, 10-year plan to facilitate, finance and invest advanced manufacturing, defense, energy, AI and quantum computing. Dan reacts to Dimon’s recent remarks at the America Business Forum as a defense tech entrepreneur.

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Larsen Jenson is a 2x Olympic medalist, former U.S. Navy Seal and founder of Harpoon Ventures and Vector Defense.

Their convo covers:
- Founders must thrive in discomfort.
- Startup failure in the U.S. vs other countries.
- Why Harpoon invested in Firestorm.

00:00 – Intro.
01:41 – The Origin Story: From almond farming to Olympic Silver and Bronze medals.
04:10 – Joining the Navy SEALs: Seeing the technology gap on the battlefield.
06:15 – The Psychology of Success: Being comfortable in uncomfortable situations.
09:40 – Just Start: Overcoming the fear of the unknown.
11:34 – The American Edge: Why the US startup culture is unique in the world.
15:28 – Failure vs. Scarlet Letters: The difference between US and UK business cultures.
19:17 – The Citadel Story: From stadium cameras to saving lives in combat.
22:00 – Real Impact: Meeting the soldier whose life was saved by the tech.
25:06 – Investment Thesis: Why Harpoon invested in Firestorm.
27:16 – The Future of Drone Warfare: The need for mass manufacturing.

#Olympian #NavySEALs #EntrepreneurMindset #Leadership #Firestorm #Citadel #MassManufacturing #Startups #Resilience #InvestmentThesis

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Larsen Jenson is a 2x Olympic medalist, former U.S. Navy Seal and founder of Harpoon Ventures and Vector Defense.

They dive into:
- Founding one of the first defense tech VCs before anyone in Silicon Valley cared.
- Geopolitical urgency and rapid tech progress.
- VC trends: why physical products are making a comeback.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro: The "Tequila Story" and the shift in defense investing.
01:23 – Guest Introduction: Larsen Jensen and the Harpoon Ventures mission.
03:04 – Defining Dual-Use: How enterprise software powers the government.
05:13 – The Catalyst: Moving from counter-terror to Great Power Competition.
07:46 – The Hard Truth: Why the best product doesn't always win in the DOD.
11:03 – "The Future is Here": Autonomous systems, Ukraine, and structural reform.
13:20 – Defense Tech 2.0: Why top talent is finally opting into national security.
15:23 – Hardware is Hard (But Sticky): The resurgence of physical tech investing.
18:18 – The LLM Movement: Why AI is disrupting white-collar jobs first.
20:19 – Efficiency: How AI is rewriting government contracts and saving time.

#DefenseTech #VentureCapital #DualUse #NationalSecurity #HarpoonVentures #AI #DeepTech #GovTech #SiliconValley #AcquisitionReform

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Founder of Anduril, Palmer Luckey recently appeared on the #1 podcast in the world, the Joe Rogan Experience.

Founder and CEO of Firestorm Labs, Dan Magy reacts to key moments of the show.

Topics include:
- Dan Driscoll’s AUSA talk.
- National security and private companies.
- China’s commercial vessels building to military standards.
- Should the U.S. become the world’s gun store?

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.

Brandon Florian has over 20 years of experience in aerospace and defense at Northrop Grumman and Starburst. He’s the Co-Founder and Chief Commercial Officer of Grid Aero, building rugged, long-range autonomous aircrafts to revolutionize cargo logistics at scale. 

They cover: 

• Grid Aero is building a “pickup truck of the skies”.  
• Which top defense primes work the best with startups? 
• What separates successful companies?  

About Drone Wars

Firestorm Studios brings you The Drone Wars Podcast, a show that explores all facets of autonomous systems - ground, air, and sea - and their transformative impact on various aspects of human life, from agriculture to warfare. We feature interviews with CEOs, founders, and C-suite executives from the world's leading autonomy and robotics companies.