In Episode 259 of Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesus and John "JJ Flawless" dive deep into a critical safety topic in the pool industry: Equipotential Bonding. They’re joined by Dallas Thiesen from the Florida Swimming Pool Association (FSPA) and John Ritenour, VP of Engineering at SunSmart Engineering, to break down the findings from a landmark bonding study conducted by the Pool Industry Council.

Learn the difference between bonding and grounding, explore the two main methods of bonding (copper wire vs. copper grid), and understand why this topic matters to pool service techs, builders, and inspectors alike. The episode covers safety implications, real-world retrofit challenges, and how this research could affect upcoming National Electric Code changes.

Whether you're a pool pro servicing backyards daily or a builder navigating evolving code standards, this episode is packed with practical tips, technical insights, and industry updates that could impact your work.

👉 Access the full study: PoolBondingStudy.com

00:00–02:00 – Intro, shout-out to sponsors, and setup for the podcast

02:01–05:00 – Florida heat, location confusion, and pool pro banter

05:01–07:00 – Edgar introduces guests Dallas (FSPA) and John (SunSmart Engineering)

07:01–09:00 – What is equipotential bonding and why it matters

09:01–14:00 – Bonding vs grounding, stray voltage explained

14:01–18:00 – How bonding wires connect to pool shells and equipment

18:01–21:00 – Risks of severed bonds and retrofit challenges in older pools

21:01–25:00 – How techs can test bonding continuity in the field

25:01–28:00 – Retrofit cost shock: why grids are problematic for renovations

28:01–33:00 – Details of the FSPA bonding study setup and testing methods

33:01–35:00 – Study results: Copper grid vs copper wire performance

35:01–39:00 – Real-world impact and code implications for pool pros

39:01–42:00 – Risks of unbonded pools and shocking stories

42:01–45:00 – Safety statistics: bonding rarely fails when installed correctly

45:01–48:00 – How pool pros can get involved and push back on code changes

48:01–51:00 – Final takeaways, where to find the study, and podcast wrap-up

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Poolside Tech – Smart automation

Pool Brain – Service business automation

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