One of the biggest mistakes in personal finance is how quickly conversations turn into either/or debates. Invest or insure, trust the market, or play defense. Something is a scam, or it's the answer.

The problem is, real financial progress rarely comes from choosing sides. It comes from using the right tools together instead of pretending one tool should do everything.

This shows up clearly in the way people talk about retirement plans. People have strong opinions about 401(k)s, especially the idea that the match is a scam. But that argument falls apart once you actually slow down and look at how it works.

That idea carries into the way people think about insurance. Insurance isn't an investment, and treating it like one creates bad expectations on both sides. But dismissing it because it's not an investment misses what it's actually designed to do. The more interesting question isn't "what's the return," but "what role does this play in the system?"

Being dogmatic about any tool, whether it's a 401(k), insurance, or the market, usually leads to worse outcomes.

In this episode, the author of The And Asset and founder of BetterWealth, Caleb Guilliams, returns. We dig into the idea of giving your dollars more than one job, how money can be safe and accessible at the same time, and boring on the surface, but incredibly useful when integrated correctly.

Things You'll Learn In This Episode

Why financial labels block better decisions We don't reject strategies because they fail; we reject them because of what they're called. How does labeling something "insurance," "investment," or "scam" stop you from seeing its true value?

Why value matters more than rates of return Cost only feels expensive when the value isn't clear. What happens when you stop asking "what does this pay?" and start asking "how many jobs does my money do at once?"

Changing your mind is a sign of financial maturity Rigid beliefs feel safe, but they often lead to bad advice. Why is the willingness to evolve a marker of credibility, not weakness?

How AI will quietly replace most financial advice models What will happen when software can analyze, design, and optimize financial decisions faster and more accurately than most humans ever could?

About the Guest

Caleb Guilliams is the author of "The and Asset", a podcaster, investor, speaker, and the founder and CEO of Better Wealth Solutions, a company committed to showing people how to be more efficient and control their money today while maximizing their future wealth potential. BetterWealth is a company that is fascinated with the idea of ordinary people being able to achieve extraordinary wealth. Caleb and his team have discovered proven strategies & principles that can empower anyone to create & protect real wealth. For more information, go to https://betterwealth.com/. Go to https://thewholelifesummit.com/2026 to learn more about the Summit and buy the book at https://betterwealth.com/bookstore.

About Your Host

From pro-snowboarder to money mogul, Chris Naugle has dedicated his life to being America's #1 Money Mentor. With a core belief that success is built not by the resources you have, but by how resourceful you can be. Chris has built and owned 19 companies, with his businesses being featured in Forbes, ABC, House Hunters, and his very own HGTV pilot in 2018. He is the founder of The Money School™ and Money Mentor for The Money Multiplier.

His success also includes managing tens of millions of dollars in assets in the financial services and advisory industry and in real estate transactions. As an innovator and visionary in wealth-building and real estate, he empowers entrepreneurs, business owners, and real estate investors with the knowledge of how money works.

Chris is also a nationally recognized speaker, author, and podcast host. He has spoken to and taught over ten thousand Americans, delivering the financial knowledge that fuels lasting freedom.

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