Batya Ungar-Sargon, deputy opinion editor at Newsweek, is Tara Henley's guest for the inaugural episode of the Lean Out podcast. If you follow media, you know that Newsweek’s opinion section is home to some of the most robust debate in America’s mainstream media. Now, Batya Ungar-Sargon has published a powerful book, Bad News: How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. For anyone puzzling over the woke press, this lively conversation helps make sense of the phenomenon.

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