Heidi and Ellen interview two creative scorpios who both love to cook and garden and would like to find careers that encompass their passions. We talk about imposter syndrome; taking big leaps; how to find a creative community when you move thousands of miles across the country in the middle of a pandemic. We also talk about the book 'The Buddhist on Death Row' by David Sheff and the podcast 'Home Cooking' with Samin Nosrat and Hrishikesh Hirway.