Heidi and Ellen talk to Patrice and Christy. Patrice is a long-time professor who loves her work but hates the paperwork and screen time it demands. She wonders if it is possible to reframe her dilemma in order to find more joy in her job. Christy has been a public gelato researcher for the past 15 years and had felt more and more drawn to energy medicine and spiritual pursuits. She would like to make the leap full time to her passions, but is nervous to get off the fence. We also talk about the late Jessica Walter who played Lucille Bluth on 'Arrested Development'. And the wonderful five-part series 'It's a Sin" set in London during 1981-1991 during the AIDS crisis.