Join in as, Curt interviews Jeff de Graffenried who shares his experiences living and working in Africa for over a decade. Jeff discusses the challenges and rewards of conservation efforts, the importance of community relations, and the unique adventures of backpacking in African national parks. He highlights the risks of malaria, the significance of education and economic opportunities, and the need for habitat preservation. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of human well-being and environmental health, urging listeners to appreciate and protect the natural world.

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