Heidi and Ellen talk to Emmery and Jackie.  Emmery was serving in the Peace Corps when she was called back home due to the pandemic.  She is contemplating her next steps and is on the fence between graduate school and going off on her own.  Jackie is an artist and is just finishing a program in textile design.  She is feeling ready to go out in the world but wonders if she should extend her time in school to get her Bachelor’s degree.  We also talk about the documentaries of two extraordinary women- Yayoi Kusama (‘Infinity: Kusama’) and Tina Turner (‘Tina’). Their roads to success were long and rocky, replete with sexism, abuse, mental illness and genius.