In this episode of the Stained Glass Kids Podcast, Yancy talks with Ruthie Sanders about her life as a PK. As a child she escaped her family home that was destroyed in a fire. After growing up in a mega church she now pastors in a town of 1,300. She and her husband planted and surrendered a church. This conversation is about competition mindsets, being stuck in the numbers game and how she was able to redefine ministry success as obedience. 

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