In this episode of the Stained Glass Kids Podcast, Yancy talks with Natalie Runion, about why we are raised to stay. Spending her life inside the church, she’s no stranger to the bruises and pains of ministry but also the healing that can come. Natalie shares her top three issues we must talk about. The disfunction of how churches hire and fire and the challenge to love and pastor people on their way out as much as on the way in. This conversation is full of mirror reflections, refined gold and holy spankings for such a time as this.

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