This week we’re excited to welcome back musician, former pastor, and our friend, Ben Sooy! We discuss Ben’s vision for a less coercive and predatory music industry, some of the struggles facing up-and-coming artists and musicians, his experience playing with Christian rock legends Switchfoot, long nighttime chats with Sam over carcinogens, and the most despicable bird in the animal kingdom. Ben has a phenomenal band called A Place for Owls, and they have a new album dropping in November! For info and links to their socials, visit www.aplaceforowls.com!