Byron Metcalf and Mark Seelig discuss their backgrounds in holotropic breathwork, transpersonal psychology and shamanism in how it shapes their music and holds the potential to transform lives, as well as the modern world we all inhabit. Topics covered include working with experience in altered states, psychoactive sacraments (synthetic and plant-based), the creative process, and how we can apply ancient wisdom combined with modern knowledge to tackle some of the difficult challenges we face, both as individuals and as a species. Towards the end of the conversation, they get in to their newest Hemi-Sync® album, "Persistent Visions."