Heidi and Ellen talk to Ellie and Jenny. Ellie is a full time yoga teacher and wants to weave astrology and meditation into her work. She wonders if she is ready or if she needs to do more deep study. Jenny is a professional freelance writer and is going through a slow period. She wonders how she can actualize more interesting work for herself. We also talk about the movie 'Baby Boom' with Diane Keaton and Sam Shepard ( a great film about reinvention!); the season finale of 'Mare of Easttown'; Kate Winslet's astrological chart; and the PBS series 'Atlantic Crossing'.